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The Zoo and the Bison
2007-06-21 14:40
by Jon Weisman

I took on the Dodgers' somewhat strange doings for my latest piece.

When the news finally came on Wednesday night that intended Los Angeles Dodgers staff ace Jason Schmidt was lost for the season, you couldn't feel the sting as much as the shrug.

Having only pitched 25 2/3 innings this season -- and allowing 18 earned runs in the process -- Schmidt barely dented the collective Los Angeles consciousness. That's because the Dodgers' unease with their current situation has to be so broad, it could hardly center on one player, no matter if that player's torn labrum and frayed bicep tendon represents $12.5 million in salary down the tubes for 2007.

There's a peculiar tension enveloping Los Angeles, where the Dodgers have simultaneously flirted with the NL's best record and disaster. At 40-31 the Dodgers are only 1 1/2 games behind league-leading San Diego, yet question marks have swarmed the team like the indefatigable paparazzi around Paris, Lindsay and Britney.

The daily announcement of the Dodgers' starting lineup has become imbued with the suspense of revealing the day's lotto numbers. The Dodgers have a bunch of younger talent that they don't seem sure what to do with, and under the guise of keeping people fresh, are really just trying to figure out what direction they want to go in. ...

* * *

Today's 4:07 p.m. game:


Retro Gameday

Comments (554)
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2007-06-21 14:49:11
1.   LAT
Starting line-ups = Dodger Keno
2007-06-21 14:50:18
2.   bhsportsguy
Jon is letting out his angst on the daily lineups out to the world beyond DT.
2007-06-21 14:52:05
3.   underdog
Is this a record for DT posts in one day? ;-)
I hope we get a Bison sighting today before he goes extinct on the bench.
2007-06-21 14:52:15
4.   Lexinthedena
It's funny(well not really)...J.D Drew is to this year what Jody Reed was to '94.....
2007-06-21 14:53:11
5.   Inside Baseball
Thank you Jon for spreading our message to the masses. Spot on piece.
2007-06-21 14:53:13
6.   Bob Timmermann
I have the day off, but is everybody else just being a slacker like they normally are?
2007-06-21 14:53:28
7.   trainwreck
My friend just sent me the unpublished OJ book.

Ummm, wow.

2007-06-21 14:53:34
8.   StolenMonkey86
4 - except we didn't trade anyone. This is what we would be like without Delino.
2007-06-21 14:53:47
9.   gpellamjr
I'm just glad we're in the AL so the Dodgers can get Marlon Anderson's bat into the lineup.
2007-06-21 14:54:10
10.   blue22
4 - Except JD got more money, not less, after leaving. And LA hasn't made any debilitating knee-jerk trades to cover for Drew's departure. Other than that...?
2007-06-21 14:54:40
11.   StolenMonkey86
Perhaps the silliest thing I'll say all day - what about a Pierre for Bradley trade?
2007-06-21 14:55:19
12.   StolenMonkey86
4 - Where was Logan White in 1994?
2007-06-21 14:56:38
13.   Jon Weisman
Just so you know, in the column, instead of "center fielder Juan Pierre," I originally wrote "fright fielder Juan Pierre."

I actually feel my angst about the lineups is rather tame. I've only asked for one adjustment.

2007-06-21 14:56:48
14.   ToyCannon
It could be worse, we could be paying 28 million prorated salary for a guy who can't go 5 innings against Colorado.
2007-06-21 14:57:05
15.   blue22
6 - I resemble that remark.
2007-06-21 14:57:26
16.   bhsportsguy
3 He has played in the last two games, just hasn't started.
2007-06-21 14:57:45
17.   Bob Timmermann
Life without Delino...

Just imagine...

Food would taste better. The air would be fresher. Crime rates would go down. Democrats and Republicans would work together to help the country. The hole in the ozone would disappear. Intelligent life would be found on other planets and all the creatures would carry around books called "To Serve Man."

2007-06-21 14:59:05
18.   Lexinthedena
10- In the sense that contract issues with one player lead to other personnel moves that have hurt the team...

Your like a child who has walked into the middle of a movie!

2007-06-21 15:00:52
19.   D4P
And I may have never found my way to the various cyber-communities on the Internets.
2007-06-21 15:01:35
20.   Greg Brock
LAT getting the initial comment on a new thread is insane. Dogs and cats, nexus of the universe, etc.

You're supposed to kill the threads, not start them :-)

2007-06-21 15:02:01
21.   trainwreck
What a surprise, Garnett does not want to play for the Celtics.
2007-06-21 15:02:29
22.   Lexinthedena
I would have been happy to deal with J.D Drew if it mean having Loney at first, and Kemp in Center....Garciaparra would be playing 2nd Base for for the Padres....Pierre would be patrolling CF for the Giants....

The J.D Drew affect.....I'm telling you...

2007-06-21 15:03:04
23.   Bob Timmermann
I'm noticing today that the RF scoreboard at PETCO is covered by a wire fence and not plexiglass. All the other walls have padding from the ground up, although some of the shorter ones have railings.
2007-06-21 15:03:44
24.   blue22
18 - No offense intended. If JD Drew walking out on LA resulted in Ned trading Billingsley for Jermaine Dye, I would agree with your comparison.
2007-06-21 15:04:42
25.   Sac Town Dodger Fan
1, Jon
If the Dodger Lineup is like the Lotto, then Schmidt and the player hit the jackpot.
2007-06-21 15:06:19
26.   ToyCannon
So do we taste better barbecued or roasted?
2007-06-21 15:07:29
27.   scareduck
6 - I have the day off, but is everybody else just being a slacker like they normally are?

Slacking inbetween the bugs.

Is it just my peculiar filter on the Dodgers, or is there something about the not-playing-the-kids problem Grady seems to have that plays like it's McCourt who's afraid that they'll tank, inflaming his pathetic and ever-present fear of failure? It's not like there's no risk in playing the veterans...

2007-06-21 15:09:23
28.   Humma Kavula
22 J.D. Drew always seemed kinda soft-spoken and plain to me. He didn't really have an affect.
2007-06-21 15:09:26
29.   Lexinthedena
24-None taken...If that happens, it is all on Ned.....But it won't mitigating factor to the Schmidt situation...
2007-06-21 15:10:22
30.   Bluebleeder87
the SI editor must have had one of those days cause i saw one more typo in there, who am i to talk though right. :o)
2007-06-21 15:11:51
31.   still bevens
27 I think it mostly has to do with the people blocking the kids. It took Schmidt going down to finally get Billingsley in the rotation. It will take sitting down Ned's Big Acqusition to get more OF playing time (Ethier plays tonight so Kemp sits) and Grady hoping that his friend from Boston finally returns to his old form.

I guess what Im saying is that its a team effort.

2007-06-21 15:11:56
32.   Bob Timmermann
Johnny Damon was moved to first base for the Yankees toward the end of the game in Colorado.
2007-06-21 15:13:54
33.   scareduck
32 - traveling that far, that fast down the defensive spectrum will cause your ears to pop. Erstad must have had that problem.
2007-06-21 15:14:16
34.   Humma Kavula
32 How desperate do you have to be to play Johnny Damon at first base?

[checks stats]

Delete! Delete! Delete!

2007-06-21 15:14:36
35.   Hallux Valgus
32 Miguel Cairo started there. And the Rox finish off the sweep.
2007-06-21 15:15:19
36.   bhsportsguy
Bob - Since you have spent a lot of time at high school football games, comments on this article.

2007-06-21 15:16:41
37.   underdog
Well, at least the Padres are about to go down. More important...

And even more important: The Dodgers need to win.

2007-06-21 15:17:09
38.   still bevens
Rockies down another AL team? Do they have the NL's best record in interleague? I know thats pretty much true after the last two seasons.
2007-06-21 15:19:00
39.   Uncle Miltie
What the heck...Milton Bradley was DFA'd. Why?

Wasn't he supposed to be activated from the DL this week?

2007-06-21 15:19:19
40.   Bob Timmermann
I tended to get assigned to schools that coaches would go to find players that they didn't want to play for them.

But I did cover some Oaks Christian games. And a Westlake High game with Rudy Carpenter at QB.

2007-06-21 15:19:48
41.   NPB
Well, Jon, you prove prophetic, as Grady trots out another second-best lineup today...I want to get behind this team, but they're not putting out the team I want to get behind. Does that make sense?

I hate these East Coast games. It means I have to start drinking before dusk.

2007-06-21 15:20:35
42.   Daniel Zappala
6 I'm spending more time than usual lately lurking on DT (though not posting) because I'm currently in a surgical waiting room. Things will vaguely return to normal next week as I resume writing papers in most of my waking hours.
2007-06-21 15:20:42
43.   DXMachina
The sad thing is that even if Drew stayed, I think Ned still probably would've gone after Pierre. Gonzo is the player Ned signed to replace Drew.
2007-06-21 15:21:07
44.   Hythloday
41 - I don't understand the last sentence. I think you meant "love" and "get to".
2007-06-21 15:21:30
45.   trainwreck
They have too many outfielders.

Swisher, Kotsay, Buck, Cust, Stewart

2007-06-21 15:23:12
46.   Bob Timmermann
The Rockies are 10-5 against the AL. Oakland is 10-5 against then NL. The Angels and Tigers are 11-4 against the AL.
2007-06-21 15:23:20
47.   jasonungar07
Jon this writing is beautiful. You could be a part time model. Or a waitress. Or a air hostess in the 60's
2007-06-21 15:23:24
48.   Andrew Shimmin
If Drew had serial killed every potential outfielder on every Dodger affiliated roster, before opting out of his contract, it would still be Colletti's fault that he decided to sign Pierre.
2007-06-21 15:23:41
49.   confucius
I can't stand watching games that aren't on grass. I get to watch six of them this week.
2007-06-21 15:24:26
50.   underdog
I know the Padres' pitching has been amazing this year, but sometimes I look at their line-up and go... "huh?"

Of course, sometimes I look at the final line-up for the '88 Dodgers and go... "huh?"

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2007-06-21 15:26:07
51.   Greg Brock
49 Tug McGraw has no opinion on artificial grass, because he's never smoked the stuff.

Still one of the all-time great quotes.

2007-06-21 15:26:15
52.   Jon Weisman
47 - LOL
2007-06-21 15:26:17
53.   Hallux Valgus
47 You're the most beautiful girl in the room. (The whole wide room).
2007-06-21 15:26:34
54.   mgd
bit of a technical correction to the LAT coverage:
"The Supreme Court disagreed, noting the private school had been judged to have violated the rules of the state athletic association, of which it was a member. The "anti-recruiting rule strikes nowhere near the heart of the 1st Amendment," Stevens said."
At that point, Stevens was writing for the minority of the Court, thus the Supreme Court actually found the opposite to be true.
Nowhere in the Court's opinion was the failure to start Matt Kemp addressed.
2007-06-21 15:26:37
55.   bhsportsguy
48 Outside of the violence, I agree with that statement, no matter the reason, it wasn't part of the opt out agreement that he had to sign Juan Pierre.
2007-06-21 15:26:44
56.   Bob Timmermann
I meant that the Tigers and Angels are 11-4 against the NL
2007-06-21 15:27:39
57.   Greg Brock
47 Flight of the Conchords?
2007-06-21 15:29:04
58.   Lexinthedena
48-I'm just saying that it is similar to how Jody Reed's contract dispute lead in part to the Pedro trade....
2007-06-21 15:29:07
59.   confucius
I can't believe the Orioles got 2 out of 3 from the Pads. With a little help from the Sox this weekend the Dodgers could be back in first.
2007-06-21 15:29:25
60.   Bluebleeder87
watching the peace EXTRA did on Russell Martin, he's got good camera presence.
2007-06-21 15:30:01
61.   D4P
Another lineup question:

Why does Abreu get the start over Betemit...?

2007-06-21 15:30:35
62.   underdog
Tony Jackson thinks the Dodgers will sign James Adkins "in the next few days, probably for a little less than $800k."
2007-06-21 15:31:29
63.   Bob Timmermann
The tyranny of alphabetical order.
2007-06-21 15:31:45
64.   bhsportsguy
47 Jon was a male air host until his children surprised him on the plane and they were crushed that he wasn't the pilot.

They could never fly again until years later when they saw a pyschiatrist. She sounded an awful lot like Anne Bancroft but she explained to them how that event scarred them and prevented them from enjoying the chance to lose their luggage and sit through long delays at the airport.

They were then able to get on a plane fly just about anywhere in the world.

2007-06-21 15:31:49
65.   JoeyP
Marlon Anderson is the Dodger DH.
Nothing more needs to be said.
2007-06-21 15:32:04
66.   trainwreck
2007-06-21 15:32:16
67.   underdog
61 Because Betemit suddenly can't seem capable of hitting a tetherball?
2007-06-21 15:32:22
68.   jasonungar07
52 I don't mean to mix screen jam over here but I can't get over how funny those guys are. I have been under a rock because I had never seen them before and so glad I have now. very much my style.

...And when you're on the street, depending on the street, I bet you are definitely in the top 3..."

2007-06-21 15:32:30
69.   Linkmeister
Jon, I kid because I love:

In the column you say "only 10 have been 25."

Um, everybody over 25 has been 25. I suspect a demon editor chopped the part of the sentence which read "of the starters."

2007-06-21 15:32:34
70.   bhsportsguy
62 Slot money signing.
2007-06-21 15:33:20
71.   trainwreck
Murray is the new Darren Lamb.
2007-06-21 15:34:11
72.   Greg Brock
68 I didn't go over to The Jam because I saw it late.

Those guys are brilliant. And I'm using the word "brilliant" here.

2007-06-21 15:34:52
73.   mgd
In the battle of the DHs, the Bison stands a better chance against the Big Hurt than Marlon, but then I guess this isn't a cage match
2007-06-21 15:34:52
74.   underdog
Darnit, I forgot to set my TiVo to tape Conchords while I was away. I'm assuming it'll be rerun ad nauseum. Minus ads, or nauseum.
2007-06-21 15:35:20
75.   Hallux Valgus
68 My buddy just told me their LA show is sold out. I knew I shouldn't have waited until after the TV premiere to buy tickets. We saw them at Upright Citizen's Brigade not too long ago.

okay, I'm done now.

2007-06-21 15:36:20
76.   Jon Weisman
69 - The intended meaning is "10 who have been Dodgers this year are 25 and younger."
2007-06-21 15:36:28
77.   SG6
In the article, Pierre gets credited for having a "career high" of 3 home runs. Should that read "season high" or is that correct terminology?

Poor little guy needs every HR accounted for. We need to pimp the stock on Pierre if Ned is ever to find a suitor for his services. Maybe throw around that new ESPN stat some more.

2007-06-21 15:36:31
78.   Jon Weisman
I mean, "25 or younger."
2007-06-21 15:36:37
79.   trainwreck
Yeah, I have seen the first episode too many times frankly.
2007-06-21 15:38:02
80.   Jon Weisman
77 - You guys are finetooth-combing it today.

I feel like career high for home runs in a season is implied.

2007-06-21 15:38:50
81.   Jon Weisman
72 - It's never too late to pump up the Jam.
2007-06-21 15:42:57
82.   Doctor
Great SI piece Jon.
Re: Kemp- the D's need to understand that Ks are part of some very good players games. If you look at the league leaders in Ks each year- they are usually all great run producers.

By the way how brutal is that ESPN front page with Pavano on it? Ouch, Schmidt next...

2007-06-21 15:44:54
83.   Greg Brock
The deadpan on that show is phenomenal. Those guys have timing and deadpan down like nobody's business.

That's some toolsy comedy, right there. Those guys have comedy tools.

2007-06-21 15:46:44
84.   bhsportsguy
81 Can I go there later and attack the latest 100 top movies list by the AFI?

Really, where was Major League II? I know that Godfather II is considered the best sequel and Police Academy II has it fans but its a Charlie Sheen showcase, going from jerk to sweet sincere guy by just putting on some glasses, c'mon, that's real acting there.

2007-06-21 15:55:07
85.   trainwreck
Wild Thing... I think I loathe you.
2007-06-21 15:57:28
86.   bhsportsguy
85 To think, that was David Keith's comeback from his role in An Officer and A Gentleman.
2007-06-21 15:58:58
87.   Eric Stephen
84 "I want Parkman!"

That movie is full of subtleties. It's obviously not as good as the first one, but it has it's moments. If Wesley Snipes had signed on rather than Omar Epps, it clearly would have made the AFI Top 100.

2007-06-21 15:59:22
88.   jasonungar07
Yeah I think the Empire Strikes Back was a very good sequal and better than the orginal film
2007-06-21 15:59:43
89.   trainwreck
They should have cast Keith David.
2007-06-21 16:00:38
90.   Greg Brock
88 Lucas thinks Empire is overrated.

I think Lucas should stop talking for 30 years.

2007-06-21 16:00:55
91.   trainwreck
I dunno Monty. I think Vaughn is carrying his left a little low. That may cost him in the later rounds.
2007-06-21 16:02:38
92.   Eric Stephen
89 "How'd you get the beans above the frank?"

They could have also cast Brian Keith, of Hardcastle & McCormick fame.

2007-06-21 16:04:05
93.   bhsportsguy
I love it when you can throw out something OT and every joins in.

Its probably just nervous energy waiting for Chad.

A serious movie question, I have never seen a complete Chaplin movie but after watching the clip of "City Lights" and seeing Jack Lemmon get all chocked up describing the last scene, I feel have to watch that movie, any thoughts?

2007-06-21 16:04:26
94.   Greg Brock
89 Never touch another man's fries.

Men at Work...What an ignored movie. Band of the same name is still pretty famous.

2007-06-21 16:05:19
95.   Lexinthedena
That weird electric guitar music that KCAL plays for Dodger games is....weird...
2007-06-21 16:06:04
96.   Lexinthedena that scene where Kieth Davis is doodling...
2007-06-21 16:06:57
97.   Greg Brock
93 I think Modern Times is better, but everybody loves City Lights more. Watch City Lights.
2007-06-21 16:07:10
98.   underdog
93 You should watch every Chaplin movie, and Buster Keaton for that matter. But my favorite Chaplin is still Modern Times, but City Lights is great and what an ending!

Okay, let's go Dodgers, let's go Chad...

I'll be watching the second half of the game late due to an early soccer game. Buena suerte to us all.

2007-06-21 16:07:13
99.   silverwidow
I have a real strong hunch that we'll see John Meloan in the Tampa Bay series.
2007-06-21 16:07:24
100.   SG6
80 - No more finetooth-comb. It was a great article.
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2007-06-21 16:08:31
101.   underdog
Quite a crowd on hand for this one. I think I see a few people over to the right... No wait, that's just some dirt on the lens.
2007-06-21 16:08:47
102.   Jon Weisman
Gameday links are fixed.

100 - Oh, no worries.

2007-06-21 16:10:41
103.   underdog
That would have been a good bunt - if this were real grass.
2007-06-21 16:11:38
104.   Bluebleeder87
that first pitch swinging isn't jiving with me anymore Nomar!!
2007-06-21 16:11:38
105.   Xeifrank
DodgerSims has the Dodgers pre-game win probability at 49.05%, pretty much a toss-up. The simulator split the first two games today. Go Dodgers!
vr, Xei
2007-06-21 16:12:12
106.   Daniel Zappala
The Dodger hitters are doing their best to hurry up and see Billingsley start too.
2007-06-21 16:12:30
107.   Eric Enders
I like Modern Times and City Lights about equally, but The Gold Rush kicks both of them in the tail. Of the three, though, Modern Times is the most thematically cohesive and the one that's most relevant today.
2007-06-21 16:12:35
108.   Xeifrank
and after a 1-2-3 top of the first the win expectancy calculator has us at 45% WE.
vr, Xei
2007-06-21 16:13:27
109.   Doctor
I bet anyone a beer Nomar doesnt see a ball over the plate today. When he is willing to only use the 2" at the top of the bat to hit a ground ball why try anything else?
2007-06-21 16:14:44
110.   underdog
Man, this ump is squeezing the young 'un so far.
2007-06-21 16:14:55
111.   Bob Timmermann
Note that the scoreboards in both walls of the Rogers Centre are just covered with chain link fences.
2007-06-21 16:15:13
112.   Doctor

"tip" of the bat

2007-06-21 16:18:30
113.   underdog
Lovely curve there. Nice break to it.
2007-06-21 16:19:14
114.   Bluebleeder87
nice 1st inning for Bills.
2007-06-21 16:19:17
115.   Greg Brock
Maybe, after the game, we can get into a Chaplin vs. Keaton debate at the Jam. Those arguments make DePo/Choi discussions look tame.

Nice first inning by Chad. We like that.

2007-06-21 16:20:04
116.   Bob Timmermann
What about the Bruckheimer vs. Bay debate?
2007-06-21 16:21:08
117.   Xeifrank
Guo had a nice 1st inning too. Isn't Lawler's Law, the first team to score 10 runs wins? Atleast in this series. vr, Xei
2007-06-21 16:21:36
118.   xaphor
116. Bruckheimer vs. Bay

Reminds me of the options this guy named Buba gave me in prison.

2007-06-21 16:21:52
119.   CanuckDodger
16 pitches for Chad, so his game is one-quarter over. Sigh.
2007-06-21 16:22:38
120.   Curtis Lowe
116 - Theeey stink!
2007-06-21 16:22:40
121.   underdog
118 LOL. I know, either way... we lose.

I love Chaplin and Keaton but it's always fun to debate.

I'd also love to see Kent not look so old.

2007-06-21 16:22:42
122.   Eric Stephen
117 Lawler's Law is one of my favorite sports quirks. I'd like to take some time one day to look at every game over an NBA season to figure out the winning % of teams that scored 100 first.
2007-06-21 16:22:55
123.   Bob Timmermann
The AP story about the money at PETCO:

"Padres spokesman George Stieren said the bills were thrown by a fan in a suite on the third-base side of the downtown ballpark. The fan was ejected."

2007-06-21 16:22:56
124.   GobiasIndustries
I hate Matt Stairs.
2007-06-21 16:22:58
125.   Xeifrank
is Hendrickson the long relief today?
vr, Xei
2007-06-21 16:23:12
126.   underdog
Darn, Wells almost misplayed that smash.
2007-06-21 16:24:05
127.   Bluebleeder87
hopefully the ump gives Bills the corners.
2007-06-21 16:25:20
128.   Greg Brock
I think Kuo is the long relief today. He skipped his last start and threw batting practice yesterday.

Kidding. Kuo is great. It was just too easy...

2007-06-21 16:25:25
129.   Xeifrank
Not alot of balls in play going for hits so far. vr, Xei
2007-06-21 16:25:32
130.   Hallux Valgus
Well, Bruckheimer vs. Bay isn't really a debate. Producer vs. Director. Witness: The Rock. Produced by one, directed ny the other.
2007-06-21 16:25:54
131.   Xeifrank
128. Never heard of the guy. :)
vr, Xei
2007-06-21 16:26:09
132.   underdog
2007-06-21 16:26:11
133.   Marty
It looks like Shaun Marcum's Gameday picture was taken right after a bong hit.
2007-06-21 16:29:13
134.   Bluebleeder87
what a beautiful pitch be Bills to strike out Thomas, NICE.
2007-06-21 16:30:14
135.   underdog
Billingsley's control so far? A+. SO FAR (he says, aware of the jinx factor.)
2007-06-21 16:30:38
136.   Sam in SC
132 - I think that a lack of excitement is actually a good thingy in some ways.
2007-06-21 16:31:24
137.   underdog
My Lord, this ump is tough. At least he's tough for both pitchers so far.
2007-06-21 16:31:51
138.   underdog
136 I was mostly snoozing on account of the Dodgers' offense.
2007-06-21 16:32:13
139.   Andrew Shimmin
For those watching on Gameday, ball two was every bit as right down the pipe as Gameday has its being.
2007-06-21 16:32:19
140.   Telemachos
130 Bruckheimer has also produced a fair amount of reasonably intelligent (albeit glossy) stuff:

Crimson Tide, CSI, Cold Case, Black Hawk Down, etc etc.

Bay (who now produces as well), not so much.... (putting it mildly).

2007-06-21 16:32:22
141.   Xeifrank
Chadson Schmidtingley, our #5 starter is making close to $13mil per year. vr, Xei
2007-06-21 16:32:23
142.   overkill94
This Zaun guy is quite a pest
2007-06-21 16:32:50
143.   overkill94
and I counted Zaun being struck out three times in that at-bat
2007-06-21 16:33:02
144.   Daniel Zappala
What's Billingsley's pitch limit for today? Is he going to last four innings?
2007-06-21 16:33:27
145.   Sam in SC
138 - on that case, "zzzzzzzzzzz" is the correct move.
2007-06-21 16:33:29
146.   underdog
Yeah, really. That was a walk that shouldn't have been. Oh well.
2007-06-21 16:33:35
147.   Hallux Valgus
144 60-65
2007-06-21 16:33:38
148.   Xeifrank
Chad is right around 30 pitches so far. He's doing well, just going deep in a few counts, thanks to the ump and alot of foul balls. vr, Xei
2007-06-21 16:33:47
149.   Uncle Miltie
Billingsley is getting squeezed
2007-06-21 16:34:12
150.   underdog
I think Martin just went out to talk about the ump with Chad. He ended by saying, "Fuhgeddit, Chad, it's Chinatown."
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2007-06-21 16:34:22
151.   bhsportsguy
How's he look on TV, are they squeezing him or is he missing the corners?
2007-06-21 16:35:09
152.   Uncle Miltie
And a 2 run homer...
2007-06-21 16:35:12
153.   underdog
151 They're squeezing him. Though he missed high with that last one.
2007-06-21 16:35:18
154.   Sam in SC


2007-06-21 16:35:41
155.   underdog
Oh, for the love of...

I mean, sigh.

2007-06-21 16:35:48
156.   overkill94
When will this interleague crap be over?
2007-06-21 16:35:50
157.   Xeifrank
27% win expectancy. I think the movie chat jinxed Chad.
vr, Xei
2007-06-21 16:35:55
158.   scareduck
35 pitches + 2 runs and a homer = Billingsley's night is half over.
2007-06-21 16:36:10
159.   overkill94
Nomar's gotta charge that and catch it while it's in fair territory
2007-06-21 16:36:14
160.   JoeyP
135---Yes, quite a bit of Jinx factor.
2007-06-21 16:36:17
161.   underdog
Okay, I'm just gonna shut up now. I obviously jinxed him.

That pitch was the "hanging Chad"?

2007-06-21 16:36:51
162.   underdog
Honestly, this is all part of the learning experience.
2007-06-21 16:37:30
163.   MMSMikey
this umpire squeezed chad pretty bad on zauns at bat.
2007-06-21 16:38:07
164.   overkill94
This was not the right night for us to have an ump with a tight strike zone
2007-06-21 16:38:26
165.   MMSMikey
groundballs down the line just seem to stay fair here.
2007-06-21 16:39:02
166.   JoeyP
Chad isnt getting the inside pitch to the right handers.

Toronto's also doing a good job of taking pitches early in their abs.

2007-06-21 16:39:25
167.   underdog
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.

Speaking of which, the film that inspired Airplane! (an unfunny version of the latter) is out on DVD next week for first time - Zero Hour.

Back to the game... SIGH.

2007-06-21 16:39:28
168.   bigcpa
"Letting the ball get deep in the zone" is the new "nice piece of hitting."
2007-06-21 16:39:33
169.   scareduck
161 - Boo. Boo, I say.
2007-06-21 16:39:36
170.   ToyCannon
Putting my vote in for the Gold Rush.
2007-06-21 16:40:56
171.   JoeyP
48 pitches through 2ip.
2007-06-21 16:41:04
172.   Eric Stephen
Crap. 48 pitches through 2.
2007-06-21 16:41:09
173.   underdog
The Jays' plan is obviously to work the counts and get Chad out of there as early as possible. Work the counts + ump-squeezing = success, more often than not.
2007-06-21 16:41:10
174.   Curtis Lowe
So through 2 inning 2 walks 2 hits 2 K's and 2 runs


2007-06-21 16:41:42
175.   Eric Stephen
171 Typing "crap" cost me 9 seconds.
2007-06-21 16:42:09
176.   Eric Stephen
174 Dueces wild
2007-06-21 16:42:24
177.   Griffon64
Unfortunately, an umpire with a tight strike zone doesn't help the Dodgers' offense like it might some other teams', since our hitters as a unit is not that patient at the plate.
2007-06-21 16:43:00
178.   bhsportsguy
It is possible that both Kuo and now Chad both knowing that the team was counting on them to perform got a little out of their game, they should be fine after these games.

What could relax them is for this team to score some runs.

2007-06-21 16:43:39
179.   underdog
Well, at least Marcum got squeezed too.
2007-06-21 16:43:59
180.   overkill94
At least the ump's consistent, those pitches to Anderson looked pretty good to me
2007-06-21 16:45:29
181.   Eric Stephen
Speaking of working the count, kudos to DH extraordinare for drawing the walk.
2007-06-21 16:46:12
182.   bhsportsguy
I'm sure teams adjust better to umps with bigger zones than smaller ones.
2007-06-21 16:46:19
183.   Eric Stephen
Walk to Anderson, Walk to Ethier.

How much do you want to bet Abreu swings at the first pitch?

2007-06-21 16:46:23
184.   ssjames
After 2 walks, I bet Abreu swings at the first pitch.
2007-06-21 16:46:25
185.   StolenMonkey86
and then 3.5 did that Oakland thing.
2007-06-21 16:46:27
186.   xaphor
Our boys are learning, it makes one so proud.
2007-06-21 16:46:51
187.   JoeyP
Abreu better take some pitches.
2007-06-21 16:46:55
188.   StolenMonkey86
called strike.


2007-06-21 16:48:19
189.   overkill94
Nice one Merlin
2007-06-21 16:48:22
190.   MMSMikey
nice, merlen.
2007-06-21 16:48:46
191.   JoeyP
Bench Marlon.
Start Kemp.

Nice veteran play there Marlon.

2007-06-21 16:48:51
192.   Eric Stephen
How many runners per season get picked off at second? Ridiculous.
2007-06-21 16:49:14
193.   xaphor
If that was the Bison, McDonald would have been trampled on the play.
2007-06-21 16:49:24
194.   Jon Weisman
It's funny you all said "nice."
2007-06-21 16:50:05
195.   MMSMikey
what looked like a promising inning
2007-06-21 16:50:11
196.   Eric Stephen
193 Kemp would have already made it to 3rd :)
2007-06-21 16:50:12
197.   StolenMonkey86
192 - Juan Pierre did that game he had 4 extra base hits in Washington
2007-06-21 16:50:25
198.   ssjames
Why is Abreu starting over Betemit? Hasn't Betemit shown himself to be the better player in everything except Batting Average? I am so confused by this team.
2007-06-21 16:51:37
199.   regfairfield
198 Making contact and getting out looks a lot better than striking out, and maybe even walking.
2007-06-21 16:51:40
200.   ssjames
198 Next thing you know we will have Mike Lieberthal starting at 1B, although at this point, he may be an upgrade. sigh.
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2007-06-21 16:54:12
201.   NPB
The other team must lick their chops when JP comes up with runners in scoring position.
2007-06-21 16:55:23
202.   NPB
I'm so damn tired of watching this offense.
2007-06-21 16:55:44
203.   Sam in SC
I object to rule #1 right now.
2007-06-21 16:56:04
204.   MMSMikey
great inning
2007-06-21 16:56:10
205.   NPB
Oh, wait, I'm sorry. I was watching the bubbles in my water cooler. What just happened in the game?
2007-06-21 16:56:41
206.   Eric Stephen
Now it's just a question of can Chad last 4 IP, or just 3?
2007-06-21 16:57:00
207.   JoeyP
Is Billingsley on a pitch count this evening? At 48 pitches, I thin he has probably 22 left in him. This 3rd inning could be his last.
2007-06-21 16:57:08
208.   Jon Weisman
At least Chad got some rest.
2007-06-21 16:57:12
209.   NPB
This is not a playoff team.
2007-06-21 16:57:28
210.   Bluebleeder87

it has the apposite affect on us so i'm guessing your right.

2007-06-21 16:58:03
211.   Sam in SC
well, thank heavens we didn't lose another one to the right field wall.
2007-06-21 16:58:50
212.   Bluebleeder87

he's on a pitch count of roughly 60 pitches.

2007-06-21 16:59:42
213.   Sam in SC
209 - that is fortuitous, since the playoffs have not arrived yet.
2007-06-21 16:59:47
214.   Eric Stephen
I think Rick Monday just pulled a radio trick. He called the first pitch (a strike), then immediately said "Billingsley comes right back" with the 2nd pitch. It was probably due to the commercials running long, but it was well played by Monday.
2007-06-21 17:00:25
215.   Bluebleeder87
i think the Jays gun is pretty slow, he's got nice pop in the fastball.
2007-06-21 17:01:00
216.   Jon Weisman
214 - That's a daily event with him. He just tells his stories at will without worrying about whether a pitch is being thrown.
2007-06-21 17:01:14
217.   Curtis Lowe
Okay pitch 3 on gameday was right down the middle and called a ball.
2007-06-21 17:01:16
218.   ssjames
I have never seen two different pitches which are in the dead center of the strike zone on Gameday called balls before. I have seen some iffy ones but these are clearly obviously wrong. What is with this ump?
2007-06-21 17:01:23
219.   Eric Stephen
58 through 3. I say Chad comes back out for the 4th.
2007-06-21 17:01:28
220.   JoeyP
Easy inning there.
Grady should let him pitch one more inning.
2007-06-21 17:01:57
221.   Jon Weisman
Chad gets a B or a C for that outing?
2007-06-21 17:02:26
222.   Jon Weisman
No, he should be done. He'll be over his pitch count on the first batter.
2007-06-21 17:02:41
223.   Eric Stephen
216 It's like Monday thinks the audience can't hear the crowd noise signifying action in the game.
2007-06-21 17:03:55
224.   JoeyP
I'd say Billingsley did ok.
Blue Jays hit some balls hard, but Bills also got some easy outs too.
2007-06-21 17:04:04
225.   Eric Stephen
222 Depends if you go by 60 or "60-65" pitches. It may be a situation that Chad is allowed to pitch to at most 3 batters. If he allows a baserunner, or throws too many pitches, then you pull him.
2007-06-21 17:04:21
226.   Curtis Lowe
221 - B because of the Umps strikezone.
2007-06-21 17:05:18
227.   Eric Stephen
Tough to grade with the low pitch count. Probably a B- or something (too many walks, regardless of ump).
2007-06-21 17:05:19
228.   Sam in SC
222 - I thought we threw too many relievers into a game that was lost last night.

I would put him back in for another inning.

2007-06-21 17:05:29
229.   ssjames
226 Yeah, according to the Gameday strike zone, Bills shouldn't have given up a walk to anyone, yet he was charged with 2.
2007-06-21 17:05:35
230.   overkill94
Kent totally just violated rule 1 right there
2007-06-21 17:05:54
231.   thinkblue0
why in the heck does Kent constantly K looking at the inside fastball....that gets really irritating.
2007-06-21 17:06:19
232.   Bob Timmermann
The KCAL guy hit the "mute" button a few seconds late.
2007-06-21 17:06:36
233.   ssjames
Who is umpiring this game? Enrico Palazzo?
2007-06-21 17:06:38
234.   Gen3Blue
Just got in and turned the game on. My buddy, a Red Sox fan called and said Marlon Anderson killed a likely rally by getting picked off second base. I said no way you must be hallucinating. What gives.
2007-06-21 17:07:54
235.   Gen3Blue
At least we have a pitcher here who can go 3 or 4 innings without blowing up, unlike Tomko or Henderson.
2007-06-21 17:09:20
236.   Lexinthedena
It's Enrico Pallazo!

He's squeezed the hell out of Chad today....

2007-06-21 17:09:43
237.   overkill94
96 on that fastball, I'd say his arm still feels good
2007-06-21 17:11:18
238.   Nagman
I must've missed it but is there a reason why they didn't start Lowe today? Seems he could've given the pen a bit of a rest before Chad's scheduled short start. He hasn't pitched since Friday, right?
2007-06-21 17:11:56
239.   Bluebleeder87

i tend to agree with you Jon.

2007-06-21 17:12:00
240.   Sam in SC
oh, my.

is that hendrickson warming in the bullpen?

2007-06-21 17:12:01
241.   Andrew Shimmin
Jeff Kellogg behind the plate. He should be ashamed of himself.
2007-06-21 17:12:53
242.   MMSMikey
something aboout watching this pathetic dodger offense play on astroturf really gets on my nerves.
2007-06-21 17:13:00
243.   Bluebleeder87

are you watching the game on gameday??

2007-06-21 17:13:42
244.   Sam in SC
239 - just because I guessed right doesn't make it the right decision. maybe I just have the same brain disease as grady little.
2007-06-21 17:13:49
245.   JoeyP
Blue Jays have been going after Billingsley's high fastball quite a bit tonight.
2007-06-21 17:13:52
246.   bhsportsguy
238 It was because apparently even though he hasn't pitched there since 2004, Lowe has pitched poorly in Toronto and better in Tampa Bay so that was the reason they switched it.

I also think, they wanted to see if Schmidt could pitch on 4 days rest.

2007-06-21 17:13:55
247.   ssjames
243 Can't be, there was no 96 mph there. The best I saw was 92 or 93.
2007-06-21 17:15:43
248.   Andrew Shimmin
Not to gore anybody's ox, but it isn't really important whether the ump's made up strike zone is consistent. It's wrong. The boundaries of the strike zone are laid out in the official rules. If Mr. Kellogg thinks they ought to be something else, he can picket out in front of the stadium before the game. During the game it's his job to enforce the bleeding rules.
2007-06-21 17:15:49
249.   Gagne55
Should have gotten one more batter.
2007-06-21 17:16:40
250.   Bluebleeder87
i wasn't here when Bills gave up the dinger but i'd give him a B as far as his pitching performance goes. i really feel Kellog was stingy with his strike zone.
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2007-06-21 17:17:47
251.   Bob Timmermann
Why don't you take up a more useful protest? Like protesting the double error? Or the state of Delaware's existence?
2007-06-21 17:18:01
252.   ssjames
248 The problem with this game, is that they haven't been consistent at all either. Some of the calls according to gameday are just appalling. The best I can say is that at least he isn't calling terrible calls only against one team, but they are clearly terrible calls all around.
2007-06-21 17:18:08
253.   Bluebleeder87

the KCAL gun had him there also.

2007-06-21 17:18:57
254.   Sam in SC
ok, this actually may be smart, tactically speaking.

sometime during the second time through the order, you take out the overhand right handed pitcher, and put in the (admittedly mediocre) left handed pitcher.

. . . just trying to have positive thoughts.

2007-06-21 17:20:09
255.   Connector
249 The Jay's announcer said Grady took out Chad "on a high note", which makes some sense. We're going to need him strong and confident.
2007-06-21 17:20:12
256.   Gagne55
Marcum has Kuoesque starter/reliever splits.
2007-06-21 17:21:54
257.   Sam in SC
ouch. nailed him in the backside
2007-06-21 17:22:08
258.   Bluebleeder87
that's gonna leave a bruise
2007-06-21 17:22:41
259.   xaphor
Either ensures another start tomorrow with a nice big bruise on the posterior.
2007-06-21 17:22:49
260.   CanuckDodger
I'm watching the Blue Jays' broadcast, and they had Billinglsey's fastball at 91 to 93. Yesterday, they had Kuo's fastball at 89 to 91. Could be that the gun is slow, because they looked like they were throwing harder, and in both games the Blue Jays' broadcasters have talked about Kuo and Billingsley throwing real heat. They also talked about the Dodgers pitchers -- Penny, Broxton, and Billingsley -- looking like football linemen, and that it is too bad L.A. doesn't have an NFL team.
2007-06-21 17:23:24
261.   Lexinthedena
My Dodgers are not an exciting team to watch this year...
2007-06-21 17:23:35
262.   Sam in SC
that was NOT a strike
2007-06-21 17:24:35
263.   overkill94
Wow, I didn't realize Abreu's hit just made the game non-"interesting"
2007-06-21 17:24:44
264.   Eric Stephen
Time for Furcal to shine.
2007-06-21 17:24:55
265.   bhsportsguy
I just noticed this and it is an amazing stat.

Teams hit .297 when they have runners in scoring position against the Dodgers.

Partly this is due to the low number of at bats that the Dodgers have in this situation but still that is a really high number.

2007-06-21 17:25:01
266.   Lexinthedena
Lyons is likeable...but may be truly dumb...
2007-06-21 17:25:09
267.   Sam in SC
a mere base hit probably scores a run here
2007-06-21 17:25:35
268.   scooplew
I just got home and went to the computer. This is ridiculous. We need a bat. We can be thankful that Baltimore somehow beat San Diego yesterday and today.
2007-06-21 17:26:01
269.   MMSMikey
great job, raffy.
2007-06-21 17:26:38
270.   Bluebleeder87
it's only a 2 run lead, i really feel we have a fighting chance still.
2007-06-21 17:26:57
271.   Lexinthedena
Pretty aggrivating.....the Vets continue to look flat...
2007-06-21 17:27:15
272.   Daniel Zappala
251 You could also protest the right of the government to collect taxes:

2007-06-21 17:28:45
273.   Eric Stephen
272 That guy looks exactly like I picture a man that would protest the right to collect taxes.
2007-06-21 17:28:58
274.   xaphor
272. Just leave the tea out of it this time.
2007-06-21 17:29:12
275.   Bluebleeder87
dear god, were was that pitch BLUE!!!
2007-06-21 17:30:06
276.   Eric Stephen
I think the original cry was "No taxes!".

Then, some do-gooder had to add "without representation!"

2007-06-21 17:30:30
277.   Bluebleeder87
Does this umpire have a history of a microscopic strike zone?
2007-06-21 17:30:50
278.   Connector
My kids wonder why I keep waking up at 2:00 AM to watch the Dodgers hit, when they keep NOT hitting.
2007-06-21 17:33:14
279.   bhsportsguy
Anyone else see this note in Jayson Stark's latest column.

The other blockbuster firing of the week was Eddie Murray's exit as Dodgers hitting coach.

Dodgers players have told their friends that Murray was so headstrong and old-school that half the position players on the roster weren't even on speaking terms with him.

2007-06-21 17:33:33
280.   Lexinthedena
278-Those kids are gonna grow up to have deep resentment of Juan Pierre...
2007-06-21 17:34:07
281.   xaphor
278. For the same reason I send you to bed at 8pm even though we both know you're not sleeping.

Stubbornness is a virtue. :)

2007-06-21 17:35:39
282.   JoeyP
Pierre hit that ball off the dirt almost.
Not a good swing, but a good result.
2007-06-21 17:35:58
283.   Bluebleeder87
Juan Pierre leads the battle cry with a lead off double.
2007-06-21 17:38:36
284.   MMSMikey
nomar hit the snot out of that one. the ball is just flying off his bat.
2007-06-21 17:39:29
285.   Lexinthedena
Infield Dirt Power....
2007-06-21 17:40:35
286.   Jon Weisman
Thank goodness, Jeff.
2007-06-21 17:40:38
287.   Sam in SC
2007-06-21 17:40:52
288.   Bluebleeder87
MAMMOTH shot by kent & a new ball game, Lyons kind of called this one.
2007-06-21 17:41:00
289.   xaphor
There we go. No loss for Chad.
2007-06-21 17:41:10
290.   JoeyP
Home Runs are good.
Thank you Jeff Kent.
2007-06-21 17:41:20
291.   NPB
This is DEFINITELY a playoff team.
2007-06-21 17:41:54
292.   Lexinthedena
Is that 10 for Kent?.....are we gonna have a guy get to 20?
2007-06-21 17:42:21
293.   Jon Weisman
Lead item in Ken Gurnick's notebook: Penny v. Jackson has been changed to Kuo v. Jackson.

Also: "James Loney was able to participate in all drills and was completely cleared for baseball activities four days after bruising his knee running into the Dodger Stadium fence."

2007-06-21 17:42:32
294.   Sam in SC
291 - are you intentionally annoying, or is tonight a fluke?
2007-06-21 17:42:40
295.   bhsportsguy
291 Those bubbles must be fickle.
2007-06-21 17:44:15
296.   NPB
I'm having a particularly annoying night. My apologies.
2007-06-21 17:44:36
297.   JoeyP
So Kuo is going on 3 days rest?
2007-06-21 17:45:21
298.   Sam in SC
296 - it happens. especially when they aren't playing well.
2007-06-21 17:46:05
299.   Lexinthedena
Mute button guy's trigger was a lot quicker on that one....
2007-06-21 17:46:14
300.   Bluebleeder87
the guys in the KCAL van are mute happy today, they just pressed it on Martin.
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2007-06-21 17:46:54
301.   Gen3Blue
What an excellant first start for Bills. I couldn't pay close attention-- could he have gene further?
2007-06-21 17:48:38
302.   scooplew
292 That was, in fact, Kent's 10th homer this season. This means that the Dodgers' record since moving to L.A. for fewest homers while leading the team seems safe. That was set in 1968, when Len Gabrielson led the team with 10 home runs.
2007-06-21 17:49:48
303.   Jon Weisman
I feel like Matt Stairs has gone all Eisenreich on us this year.
2007-06-21 17:50:24
304.   Gen3Blue
I think I might have caught that in my prime!
2007-06-21 17:50:39
305.   Doctor
Someone please buy Frank Thomas some baggy pants.
He looks like a cross between Urkel and Andre the Giant.
2007-06-21 17:51:41
306.   Sam in SC
303 - maybe we should trade for him. that would utterly kill his numbers.
2007-06-21 17:54:16
307.   Bluebleeder87
there is an example of scoring a run on a poor throwing arm of Pierre & Gonzalez
2007-06-21 17:56:09
308.   Sam in SC
so, why is marlon anderson hittting as the DH?
2007-06-21 17:56:32
309.   Lexinthedena
303-I was just realizing how scared I get everytime Stairs comes to the plate......That means we'll pick him up in two years, he'll hit .180 and retire.....
2007-06-21 17:58:42
310.   The Rabbits Rarely Loose

??? I really dont even think Grady could give a good answer . .

2007-06-21 18:00:08
311.   StolenMonkey86
Yep, nothing with a BRK less than 5"
2007-06-21 18:01:56
312.   Marty
302 Every time I see or hear Len Gabrielson's name, I think Ram's football player rather than baseball player. I have no idea why.
2007-06-21 18:02:50
313.   Marty
Gameday shows Abreu hitting one from the other batters box.
2007-06-21 18:04:55
314.   JoeyP
Roman Gabriel was a great name for a QB.
2007-06-21 18:04:55
315.   Jon Weisman
312 - Because of Roman?
2007-06-21 18:05:29
316.   Frip
Absolutely no reason why Lyons had to talk us through that 2nd out replay. We could see exactly what a great play it was. Why do we need some guy blabbering in our ear about it like we're blind. This goes for 90% of replays.
2007-06-21 18:05:46
317.   StolenMonkey86
So Jeff Weaver shut out the Pirates last night. Anyone think they hit tonight?
2007-06-21 18:06:42
318.   Blue in the Bay
312 Probably because of the combination of names from that era that were similar. Roman Gabriel, Les Josephson come to mind.
2007-06-21 18:10:59
319.   Gen3Blue
The D's look really good. They're only trailing 3-2 after seven. And that without starting Kemp or Loney. And using Hendricksen.
2007-06-21 18:12:11
320.   Frip
248 - Well said about the ump Andrew Shimmin.
2007-06-21 18:13:01
321.   Bluebleeder87
the Jays bullpen isn't all that good from what i remember, we still have a fighting chance.
2007-06-21 18:16:24
322.   scooplew
After Kent's homer tied it up, I wondered how Hendrickson would fare now that it was a brand new ball game. I wonder no longer.
2007-06-21 18:16:37
323.   Gen3Blue
And that great base stealing offensive threat. He gambled and if he had won we probably would have broken the game wide open in the second. Yes, Anderson.
2007-06-21 18:18:39
324.   Bob Timmermann
Felix Hernandez is pitching for Seattle tonight, so I wouldn't think that the Pirates bats are going to liven up.
2007-06-21 18:19:05
325.   Bluebleeder87
Let's not forget the Jays 3rd run was scored on Pierres noodle arm, or else we'd still be tide up.
2007-06-21 18:19:58
326.   Sam in SC
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2007-06-21 18:20:29
327.   Bob Timmermann
Anibal Sanchez joined the torn labrum brigade today.
2007-06-21 18:21:09
328.   D4P
Nomar is due for a single.
2007-06-21 18:22:17
329.   Gen3Blue
It sure was a noodle.
2007-06-21 18:22:33
330.   Bluebleeder87

right on Q D4P

2007-06-21 18:22:49
331.   The Rabbits Rarely Loose
wow first pitch too . . i was going to call that
2007-06-21 18:22:57
332.   Connector
327 What is(are) the reason(s) why more pitchers are suffering torn labrums? Is it over-use? over-training? over-stress?
2007-06-21 18:23:11
333.   Lexinthedena
What the?
2007-06-21 18:23:37
334.   bhsportsguy
Just missed it, Kent may be back on fire, which is good.
2007-06-21 18:24:11
335.   Curtis Lowe
Hmm where have I seen this before...
2007-06-21 18:24:27
336.   Andrew Shimmin
Unleash the fury Russ.

Unleash the fury!

2007-06-21 18:24:33
337.   regfairfield
Well, this seems like a bad idea for the Blue Jays.
2007-06-21 18:24:36
338.   Bluebleeder87
Bases juiced for Russell/golden boy
2007-06-21 18:24:42
339.   bhsportsguy
So here it is, Russell Martin at home, down by one, bases loaded and one out.

Oh Canada.

2007-06-21 18:25:18
340.   Connector
I think Kent was using the "don't get mad, get even" approach. He was so pissed off by the ump's called strike three in an earlier inning.
2007-06-21 18:25:31
341.   Daniel Zappala
Time for Martin to put the Dodgers ahead.
2007-06-21 18:26:27
342.   Bluebleeder87
[insurt man crush here]
2007-06-21 18:26:27
343.   Lexinthedena
Nice...that's what i'm talkin bout...
2007-06-21 18:26:37
344.   xaphor
Our saviour sweet Martin.
2007-06-21 18:26:53
345.   Connector
Go Russell, go russell
2007-06-21 18:27:26
346.   bhsportsguy
339 My Native Son. Woo Hoo.
2007-06-21 18:28:18
347.   bhsportsguy
C'mon Tomato.
2007-06-21 18:28:44
348.   Bluebleeder87
but seriously it's like Russells concentration gets a lot better with runners on base.
2007-06-21 18:28:53
349.   bhsportsguy
Crushed Tomato.
2007-06-21 18:29:48
350.   Sam in SC
here comes a strike
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2007-06-21 18:29:56
351.   bhsportsguy
I feel bad since this is against a Bruin but Dodger Blue counts more than Bruin Blue today.
2007-06-21 18:30:00
352.   Connector
349 Tomato Juice squirted into center field.
2007-06-21 18:30:02
353.   Bob Timmermann
I would like to see the DH spot come up again so Wolf can get an AB there.
2007-06-21 18:30:09
354.   Curtis Lowe
348 - And when they intent walk someone to load the bases for him. Kind of like bringing pie to a pie eating contest.
2007-06-21 18:30:22
355.   scooplew
For those of us sans TV or radio, the Retro Gameday's "In Play run(s)" is one of the big teases. We wait, wondering if it is a sacrifice fly, or force out at second, or a grand slam. Or something else.
2007-06-21 18:30:33
356.   JoeyP
Blooper for Tomato.
I think tonight was the sequel to Bob Melvin's brainfart inn Arizona.

IBB's Gonzo to get to Martin is not a smart move.

2007-06-21 18:30:51
357.   Gen3Blue
I had to take a walk, but I said, go ahead, pitch to Martin if you like, and I seem to have missed something good.
2007-06-21 18:31:02
358.   Sam in SC
here is a pitch to hit
2007-06-21 18:32:19
359.   overkill94
Bison strikes again!
2007-06-21 18:32:28
360.   Daniel Zappala
353 Can't they pinch hit for him?
2007-06-21 18:32:35
361.   Bob Timmermann
UCLA has produced a lot of good major league players.

Very few of them have been pitchers. Tim Leary may have been the best and his lifetime W-L record was 78-105.

2007-06-21 18:32:45
362.   xaphor
Bison coming through as well, this is turning out to be a plus game after an inauspicious start.
2007-06-21 18:32:51
363.   JoeyP
Thats why you play Kemp everyday.
Amazing power.
2007-06-21 18:33:00
364.   Eric Stephen
Bison herds in the thunder!
2007-06-21 18:33:12
365.   overkill94
It's too bad all of this was against a fellow UCLA alum, but I'll take it anyway!
2007-06-21 18:33:32
366.   bhsportsguy
Kemp is only 2-2 tonight, I say he sits tomorrow too.

Pause for stunned silence and angry keyboards.

START HIM TOMORROW GRADY. I am on the bandwagon.

2007-06-21 18:33:33
367.   Bob Timmermann
Yes, they likely would, but if the DH spot came up again that would mean the Dodgers had scored a lot of runs. I would assume Loney or Lieberthal would bat.
2007-06-21 18:34:15
368.   Bluebleeder87
Nice double by Kemp, if he would have extended his arms that thing goes out.
2007-06-21 18:34:40
369.   Gen3Blue
Did you ever see someone like Kemp.
Sit on the bench? His speed and presence is worth that of many if he can hit .200!
2007-06-21 18:34:58
370.   Curtis Lowe
366 - You have to keep the healthy producing kids fresh.
2007-06-21 18:35:05
371.   Bob Timmermann
For those not paying attention to Steve Lyons earlier (which I assume is most of you), Joe Thornton is 6'4" and Martin St. Louis is 5'9".

And I would disagree that Wayne Gretzky was not tough. He would only look "weak" if you're comparing him to Marty McSorley.

2007-06-21 18:35:09
372.   bhsportsguy
361 I think John Savage is going to bring in some good pitchers if they don't get drafted before they step on campus.

Murphy looked pretty good in the start at Long Beach in the Regional.

2007-06-21 18:35:23
373.   Eric Stephen
Old friend Jason Frasor comes in. Time to find out his werth.

OK, that was awful.

2007-06-21 18:35:43
374.   sanchez101
what did kemp's double look like, from gameday it looked like it was off the centerfield wall ...
2007-06-21 18:36:27
375.   Gen3Blue
Don't let up now!
2007-06-21 18:38:15
376.   Lexinthedena
It was sweet....didn't get all of it...but it still went to the wall...almost...
2007-06-21 18:38:43
377.   Eric Stephen
I stand corrected. Frasor never appeared in a game for the Dodgers, so his status is less than "Old Friend.
2007-06-21 18:38:53
378.   Andrew Shimmin
On one hand, I'm glad the Windmill seems to have caught on about how harmful outs at the plate are.

On the other, I would have loved to see the Bison run down Zaun.

2007-06-21 18:39:06
379.   DXMachina
Wow, lots of crooked numbers in this series.
2007-06-21 18:39:25
380.   Eric Stephen
Time to improve the pythagorean record.
2007-06-21 18:39:45
381.   regfairfield
I can see how a Blue Jays fan would be upset about this inning.
2007-06-21 18:40:26
382.   Eric Stephen
378 I was also shocked Kemp wasn't coming to the plate there. Donnelly stayed on a 13 against a 20 and lived to tell about it.
2007-06-21 18:40:48
383.   bhsportsguy
So when you face 6 batters and all 6 score, is your ERA more than infinity.
2007-06-21 18:41:21
384.   Bluebleeder87

it was off the wall, he didn't even have a good swing at it. man, he's got a ton of talent.

2007-06-21 18:41:23
385.   Eric Stephen
382 actually against a 10, unless Donnelly cheatingly saw the hole card.
2007-06-21 18:41:48
386.   Andrew Shimmin
It would be the awesomest thing of all time if the Dodgers bat around again, and Pierre makes the third out, too.
2007-06-21 18:42:04
387.   Bob Timmermann
Overflow error.

Preparing core dump.

2007-06-21 18:43:18
388.   bhsportsguy
So do you send out Seanez or do you just go to Ox and Saito?
2007-06-21 18:43:19
389.   Connector
386 LOL
2007-06-21 18:43:53
390.   Bluebleeder87
Kemp really deserves the start tomorrow, we should high jack ItD if he isn't in there tomorrow.
2007-06-21 18:45:37
391.   Lexinthedena
Kemp needs to start every day...
2007-06-21 18:46:29
392.   Lexinthedena
What is Stairs BA against the Dodgers this year?
2007-06-21 18:46:37
393.   Bluebleeder87
you also notice he worked the count it was just a really nice at bat, if he does that more often, watch out peepz.
2007-06-21 18:46:45
394.   overkill94
Ethier doesn't deserve to sit considering he has reached base his last five PA in a row. Hopefully the ideal configuration of Gonzo at DH, Ethier in left, and Kemp in right will be used. Loney at first would be nice as well.
2007-06-21 18:46:51
395.   JoeyP
The Marlon Anderson at DH experiment should at least end for good.

Kemp's a starter and the Dodgers need to ride him through good and bad. Spot starts here and there do him nor the team any good.

2007-06-21 18:47:26
396.   overkill94
392 .400 (8-20)
2007-06-21 18:48:05
397.   scooplew
383 If one retires one batter, however, and allows six earned runs, the ERA is a tidy 162.00.
2007-06-21 18:48:06
398.   Gen3Blue
Excellant, we got more runs but I had to escort some guests out. Now I guess we are so good we choose not to use Brox-Saito. couldn't they use some work by now.
2007-06-21 18:48:21
399.   Curtis Lowe
395 - They seem to do the team good every time he spot starts. Which is to say he should play everyday.
2007-06-21 18:48:47
400.   overkill94
Stairs' OPS against us coming into tonight's game was 1.389
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2007-06-21 18:49:36
401.   Lexinthedena
Here comes Mongo!
2007-06-21 18:49:38
402.   scooplew
And for the mind that cannot comprehend infinity, 162.00 seems worse.
2007-06-21 18:50:08
403.   overkill94
Janssen's ERA went from 0.95 to 2.37 after today's outing
2007-06-21 18:50:34
404.   Telemachos
402 Infinity is just a funky little symbol. 162.00 is a five digit ERA. :)
2007-06-21 18:51:24
405.   bhsportsguy
402 In a fantasy league that a friend of mind is in, he just checked the updated standings, the team with Janssen when down one place in both ERA and WHIP based on his outing.
2007-06-21 18:51:28
406.   JoeyP
Broxton vs Big Hurt
2007-06-21 18:52:20
407.   bhsportsguy
Whew - just missed it I guess.
2007-06-21 18:52:31
408.   JoeyP
Guess thats a win for Broxton.
Warning track rocket.
2007-06-21 18:52:35
409.   overkill94
I predict another DP for Zaun here
2007-06-21 18:54:50
410.   bhsportsguy
Apparently, Beane did not see a lot of PT for Bradley.

2007-06-21 18:55:13
411.   Lexinthedena
Anyone else here think Ty Wiggington will leave Tampa a Dodger?
2007-06-21 18:56:24
412.   Gagne55
There is no infinite era. A zero denomonator makes for an undefined result. Rather, given six runs allowed

lim(ERA) = infinity
IP -> 0

2007-06-21 18:58:22
413.   Gagne55
MArtin fails to catch the foul tip. :(
2007-06-21 18:58:31
414.   capdodger
Oh, Ox... Control, Control! You must learn control.
2007-06-21 18:59:00
415.   scareduck
Just checking my notes, but B.J. Ryan has earned a ~10% pay cut by not demanding to be paid in Canadian dollars since he signed.
2007-06-21 18:59:16
416.   Gagne55
Take that, Blue Jays!
2007-06-21 18:59:43
417.   imperabo
412 Chuck Norris can divide by zero.
2007-06-21 19:00:24
418.   Gagne55
415 The Canadian dollar is worth more than the US dollar now?
2007-06-21 19:00:55
419.   capdodger
417 No he can't. He just roundhouse kicks zero in the head, and it divides itself.
2007-06-21 19:01:52
420.   Bob Timmermann
Ty Wigginton (he has only two Gs in his name which always confuses me) will not switch clubhouses this weekend I predict.
2007-06-21 19:01:58
421.   Gagne55
417 That is correct. But neither you nor I is Chuck Norris.
2007-06-21 19:02:18
422.   capdodger
418 No. I believe 415 is referring to the increase of the CAD vs the USD over the life of BJ Ryan's contract.
2007-06-21 19:02:53
423.   JoeyP
410--I'm not sure what Beane's fascination is with Mark Kotsay.

I can understand getting Buck, Stewart, Swisher all time in the Of---but Bradley is a better player than Mark Kotsay.

2007-06-21 19:03:34
424.   scareduck
The highest ERA I've ever seen:

135.00. One out. Five runs. First game of the season.

2007-06-21 19:03:54
425.   Gen3Blue
Of course the D's could put it away here, but they wouldn't get to show off their pitching.
2007-06-21 19:04:16
426.   Linkmeister
Somebody should ask Randy Wolf if he ever envisioned himself as a DH.
2007-06-21 19:04:17
427.   Bob Timmermann
$1 US = $1.06 Canada

After the banks take their cut, you will break even or a little behind.

2007-06-21 19:04:51
428.   Gagne55
If Chuck Norris ever pitched, he'd need to divide by zero in order to calculate his ERA+.
2007-06-21 19:05:01
429.   scareduck
418 - no, but it was worth ~$USD .86 in November 2005, and it's worth ~$USD .94 now.
2007-06-21 19:05:10
430.   Lexinthedena
423-I've always liked Bradley, but it doesn't seem that he works very hard on staying in shape...he looks thicker everytime I see him, and I'm sure Beane had a good reason...
2007-06-21 19:06:32
431.   Andrew Shimmin
412- An Englishman, to international acclaim, suggesting calling that nullity, or Φ. I only remember this because mention was made of it in one of the old chat threads here, that I was poking through the other day.
2007-06-21 19:06:34
432.   jtrichey
Anyone else watching Direct TV, which has the Blue Jays feed? Bizarre commercial for the ice cream treat Drumstick. 3 teens, 1 guy and 2 girls, at a ice cream display. Along with a strange Tinkerbell type character. The fairy turns the boy into a giant Drumstick. The 2 girls immediatel go to take a bite out of the Drumstick. The boy says, "Easy on the nuts!" Ba dum dum.

You telling me someone didn't catch the double entendre and thought this commercial was OK?

2007-06-21 19:07:09
433.   scareduck
427 - I checked because Steiner mentioned exchanging his money. It used to be the case (as of about 15 years ago when I was traveling internationally) that the best deals were always at ATMs rather than banks, so no "exchange" needed. I wonder if that's changed, or they don't know about that wrinkle.
2007-06-21 19:07:16
434.   Gagne55
428 Speaking of which, why haven't the Texas Rangers ever won the World Series?
2007-06-21 19:07:19
435.   imperabo
If Chuck Norris pitched there WOULD be crying in baseball.
2007-06-21 19:07:24
436.   Bob Timmermann
Two players have had season ERAs of 189.

Joe Cleary in 1945.
Jack Scheible in 1894.

Cleary pitched in just one game. I mentioned him once before. He pitched in the same game as Bert Shepard for Washington. Shepard only had one leg and outpitched Cleary.

2007-06-21 19:08:32
437.   bhsportsguy
427 I see that the Knight Bus is coming to the Central Library two weeks from Saturday.

Where should I park if I bring my niece to the event?

2007-06-21 19:08:36
438.   JoeyP
Saito's K/bb is 37/3.
2007-06-21 19:08:42
439.   scareduck
Saito looked really tired in a couple of those warmup tosses.
2007-06-21 19:08:54
440.   Bob Timmermann
Credit cards and ATMs are still better deals, but they don't give you the bank rate anymore. And some tack on service charges.
2007-06-21 19:09:17
441.   Gen3Blue
432 Darn. Ive been in and out all night with DTV and I'm sorry I missed that one.
2007-06-21 19:10:25
442.   Bob Timmermann
Park underneath the building at 524 S. Flower. Parking costs $1 on Saturday if you show your library card at the Information Desk.

There will be a lot of Harry Potter stuff going on that day.


There will even be a live performance by the band Harry and the Potters.

2007-06-21 19:11:40
443.   StolenMonkey86
I was downstairs playing cards and I missed the rally. That's amazing, and did they realy intentionally walk Gonzo to get to Martin?
2007-06-21 19:11:49
444.   Gagne55
431 I think of nullity as the vectors x such that a transformation matrix Ax = 0. But I do not doubt that the word is used in different branches of mathematics for different properties leading to 0.
2007-06-21 19:13:10
445.   scareduck
439 - I guess it didn't matter if he was.
2007-06-21 19:13:26
446.   bhsportsguy
442 And where will you be?
2007-06-21 19:14:13
447.   Linkmeister
They're gonna start calling Seanez The Vulture (taking it away from Phil Regan) if he keeps getting wins this way.
2007-06-21 19:15:41
448.   overkill94
Speaking of nerdy engineering stuff, has anyone seen the indie film Primer? It's about two engineers who accidentally create a machine that speeds up time and it's confusing as hell. Pretty good though.
2007-06-21 19:16:13
449.   Gagne55
435 Norris struck a batter out on one pitch, fooling him so bad he swung three times.

Chuck Norris once starred a batter down and he went back to the dugout too afraid to hit.

It ain't over till it's over... or until Chuck Norris comes, whichever happens first.

2007-06-21 19:16:28
450.   Gen3Blue
I love Saito, if you turn your back for less than aminute you usually look back to see some guy walking away from the plate with his head down.

So Bills looks OK, we may get something out of Schmidt next year, Wolf will do allright or else it is our call. We could play Kemp and Loney if we choose. Maybe things aren't quite as dark as they looked this morning.

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2007-06-21 19:16:54
451.   Bob Timmermann
Far from the madding crowds thankfully. I'll be on the floor where the books on how to do REAL wizardry are.
2007-06-21 19:17:35
452.   Gagne55
Chuck Norris can steal first base.
2007-06-21 19:20:18
453.   xaphor
I never understood the fascination with Norris. I did, however, enjoy it every time Lee took him to task which was not nearly enough for my satisfaction.
2007-06-21 19:21:31
454.   Gen3Blue
448 Sounds interesting. For some reason I love movies with actual or contrived time effects. Think 12 Monkeys, Jackie Brown, Butterfly Affect, or Pulp Fiction.
2007-06-21 19:23:55
455.   imperabo
Chuck Norris CAN walk off the island.
2007-06-21 19:23:56
456.   bhsportsguy
Greg Miller pitched in Jacksonville tonight, 2 IP, 0 hits and runs, 1 BB and 3 strikeouts.
2007-06-21 19:25:49
457.   Lexinthedena
452-Chuck Norris doesn't have to steal first base...The opposing team gives it to him out of fear...
2007-06-21 19:30:45
458.   imperabo
Chucks Norris once had a contest with Antonio Alfonseca to see who had more appendages. Chuck Norris won by 5. Antonio forgot to factor in testicles.
2007-06-21 19:44:52
459.   Bob Timmermann
The AFLAC trivia question for the Mariners-Pirates game was: Coming into today, which league had the best record in interleague play.

And their answer was that the two leagues were tied at 205-205.

Which is wrong in many different ways.

The AL is ahead (113-96 now). And they don't play that many interleague games.

I'm not sure were they got that number.

2007-06-21 19:59:35
460.   El Lay Dave
361 *UCLA has produced a lot of good major league players.

Very few of them have been pitchers.*

No love for old friend Matt Young? ;)

It could have been for Jim Parque except for that, um, torn labrum thing....

2007-06-21 20:01:56
461.   CanuckDodger
432 -- Canadian commercials can be more risque than American ones because Canada isn't quite as puritanical as America about sex. Not that California or New York are puritanical, but the Bible Belt and Utah seem to play a big role in determining what the FCC considers too indecent for television. The whole Super Bowl nipplegate controvery from a few years back had Canadians and Europeans laughing their heads off at America.
2007-06-21 20:19:05
462.   overkill94
454 If you have the Independent Film Channel (IFC), it seems to be one somewhat frequently. Otherwise, it might be a bit hard to find in your normal Blockbuster or equivalent.
2007-06-21 20:33:39
463.   Dodgers49
Schmidt given good chance at recovery

>>> General Manager Ned Colletti declined to say whether the Dodgers had injury insurance that would cover all or part of Schmidt's three-year, $47-million contract should the right-hander fail to return, citing his policy of not disclosing such information. <<<

2007-06-21 20:33:43
464.   capdodger
455 wins. That's awesome.

BTW, if anyone cares, there's a pretty damn good soccer game going on between Mexico and a Caribbean section of France.

2007-06-21 20:37:02
465.   Gen3Blue
Apparently two of the trade that worry people interested in D's prospects are off the table. Cabrera, for reasons I can't understand, and Tejada, who apparently sufferred a bad fracture today. Good or bad, I don't know.

This Mitchell steroids invest. is so corriagraphed it means nothing. I bet Giambi will talk about himself, but he isn't going to stool on anyone else. This whole thing is ridiculous.

2007-06-21 20:38:26
466.   Gagne55
MLB now hands out 50 game suspensions for the first time a player tests positive for any derivative of Chuck Norris. It's 100 games for a second offense and a two year minimum for a third and only then if the commishoner chooses to reinstate such third time offenders.
2007-06-21 20:43:49
467.   Andrew Shimmin
Specifically, Colletti's policy is not disclosing such information when it makes him look imprudent.
2007-06-21 20:43:53
468.   JoeyP
463--Thats probably a "no".
Because if they did have it, I'd think he'd be saying they do in order to put fans at rest about the McCourts possibly not spending anymore money in leiu of paying for Schmidt'd deal.

If they dont have insurance, it could be good. That might mean the McCourts wont take on a high priced average veteran.

2007-06-21 20:44:12
469.   El Lay Dave
Maybe Tomo Ohka just looked plain awful this year (haven't seen him pitch) or GMs suspect he has another shoulder problem, but he and his one-year, $1.5 million plus incentives contract were cut loose by Toronto a few days ago, presumably without trade offers. (St. Louis, amongst the most pitching-desperate, subsequently signed him to a minor-league deal.) He's had some past success akin to some of L.A.'s own Flotsam and Jetsam (loved that suggestion a few threads back) - to me he seems somewhat similar to Brett Tomko - so this does not give me any confidence that Tomko and his $4.1 million contract would garner serious trade interest.

(Tom Timmermann, of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, reports St. Louis Cardinals SP Tomo Ohka allowed four runs on eight hits over five innings in a start for Triple-A Memphis Wednesday, June 20.)


2007-06-21 20:45:51
470.   El Lay Dave
463 No examples cited, but:
Conte estimated that about 180 labral repairs are performed yearly on major and minor league players, and that "there's a fair number of guys out there that are going through it or have gone through it and have come back to full participation."
2007-06-21 20:47:24
471.   Gagne55
When Jim Abbott was a kid, Chuck Norris asked if he could give him a hand.

When Abbott told his mom and dad, they responded "giving somebody a hand means helping them out. You don't have to take it literally." Jim promptly said "Chuck Norris never needs help." Jim Abbott was a smart boy.

2007-06-21 20:49:24
472.   El Lay Dave
463 I got a laugh out of the LAT poll that came up in an inset on that link:

What is the worst deal in L.A. Dodgers history?
Signing Dave Goltz
Signing Jason Schmidt
Signing Don Stanhouse
Signing Darryl Strawberry
Replacing Ross Porter with Charley Steiner
Trading Paul Konerko for Jeff Shaw
Trading Paul LoDuca for Choi and Penny
Trading Pedro Martinez for Delino DeShields
Trading Mike Piazza for Sheffield, Bonilla and others
$15 for parking

2007-06-21 20:51:25
473.   Andrew Shimmin
470- I think that's got to include partial tears. Aren't we still operating on the assumption that it was a full separation?
2007-06-21 20:52:37
474.   Andrew Shimmin
472- I was going to comment on that, when I thought that 50%+ had voted for LoDuca/Choi and Penny, but it was just the formating that made it look like that. Most people voted for the right one.
2007-06-21 20:53:30
475.   Gen3Blue
Inflation adjusted it is probably Goltz (if you throw in Stanhouse or whoever it was)
2007-06-21 20:59:35
476.   Greg Brock
Aw, man. I gotta go see the Knight Bus.
2007-06-21 21:01:53
477.   Gen3Blue
Has it been determined yet if Bradley was dumped in a disagreement(snit) as usual?
2007-06-21 21:06:40
478.   Andrew Shimmin
476- I took a Zogby poll, earlier today, where one of the questions was, "Have you read any of the Harry Potter books?," and another about whether I intended to buy the new one. So, I can't wait to find out how Potter enthusiasm correlates with political tendencies.
2007-06-21 21:17:25
479.   natepurcell
cool we won.
2007-06-21 21:19:50
480.   imperabo
After seeing Chuck Norris, Mark Grace is no longer convinced that Jonathan Broxton is the biggest man alive. . . or even a man at all.
2007-06-21 21:21:18
481.   natepurcell
just curious, why is austin gallagher on the Odgen roster when they arent even going to play him?
2007-06-21 21:28:21
482.   Andrew Shimmin
Fernando Viña called Clint Hurdle a very good manager. I hope Bristol is insured against damage from lightning strikes.
2007-06-21 21:33:49
483.   Dodgers49
477. A's decide to unload Bradley

>>> Bradley's agent, Seth Levinson, said that his impression of Beane's meeting with Bradley was that, "clearly their decision was (already) made after finding out that Milton would be unhappy not playing every day. Milton feels he is an everyday player and they felt it would be a disservice to him not playing him in his free-agent year.'' >> Asked specifically if character issues led to Bradley's departure, Beane said, "Is Milton a fiery, emotional guy? Absolutely. He's not the first guy to be like that in this game and we don't get to the playoffs (last year) without Milton. As far as speculation, you can speculate all you want. I'm not going to contribute to that in any way. We had to manage our roster and it was time to go a different way.'' <<<

2007-06-21 21:36:13
484.   El Lay Dave
After reviewing the legend that is Chuck Norris, Greg Brock transferred his mancrush to him from Miguel Cabrera.

474 I was fooled at first also. The worst deal for me personally is the $15 parking, but that is a great deal for the club.

2007-06-21 21:40:34
485.   JoeyP
Kershaw's given up 1ER in his last 30ip.

Is Kershaw going to skip Vero/Inland Empire and head straight for AA next year?

2007-06-21 21:41:43
486.   JoeyP
Wait, Vero's not an option unless Kershaw becomes a Devil Ray.
2007-06-21 21:42:20
487.   Andrew Shimmin
485- Bit your tongue. I don't want to have to wait for him to get a starting spot in L.A. to see him. If they want him in Jacksonville next year, they have to send him to San Bernardino this year.
2007-06-21 21:45:33
488.   natepurcell

i think he gets promoted to inland empire soon and stays there for the rest of the year. depending on how he does there and how he progressed over the offseason, he could start next year in AA.

2007-06-21 21:46:49
489.   El Lay Dave
483 they felt it would be a disservice to him not playing him in his free-agent year

Because being DFAed always makes you look so good.

There a several teams where MB is an upgrade, at CF or corner OF. San Diego seems obvious.

2007-06-21 21:47:13
490.   Greg Brock
Whoever came up with that Chuck Norris stuff is hilarious. It may have started with SNL's Bill Brasky skit and transferred over to Chuck Norris, but it's awesome. Chuck Norris has to feel pretty good about himself these days.

There is no Kershaw. Kershaw does not exist.

2007-06-21 21:53:03
491.   JoeyP
I think Evan Longoria is going to make the D-Rays this year---probably whenever they decide to trade Wigginton. i just hope they dont trade Wigginton to the Dodgers.

Quentin, Upton, Young in the Arizona OF might happen sooner rather than later.

2007-06-21 21:58:36
492.   SG6
472 - No doubt about it: Delino for Pedro. Pedro would have anchored a staff for more than a decade, picking up 3 CYs and finishing in the top 5 CY voting 7 times in 8 years.
2007-06-21 22:02:14
493.   Berkeley Doug
Just finished watching the game in Tivo. Dogers Win! Saito Smiles!
2007-06-21 22:10:57
494.   El Lay Dave
493 Are they similar: non-save situation "Sammy" Saito smiles, "Sammy" Saito save smiles?
2007-06-21 22:35:20
495.   still bevens
486 That would be the hand of Depo showing if they picked up Bradley. Caring not for durability and the all important clubhouse chemistry issues is his franchise-destroying laptop concocted trademark.


2007-06-21 22:50:28
496.   Greg Brock
495 Silly man. Plaschke would never write a paragraph that long.

Very funny.

2007-06-21 22:54:23
497.   underdog
I guess some of y'all missed the earlier discussion today when we determined that - for safety's sake - Clayton Kershaw does not exist. Repeat, Clayton Kershaw does not exist, until he's on the major league roster.

Spike Lundberg? Have at it.

2007-06-21 22:56:04
498.   underdog
I just finished watching the Reader's Digest Condensed Version of the game (via MLBTV) because I had to leave after 4 and was tickled to see the explosion in the 8th. And Randy Wolf, pinch runner and DH, what was that all about? Cracked me up. Looked like Hendrickson actually pitched pretty well except for when he gave up that run, and Bills pitched very well except for the one mistake to Hill. All in all, I'm happy.

Nice grab by Ethier, too.

2007-06-21 22:56:43
499.   underdog
The non-save Saito smile is more sheepish and mellow, it appears.
2007-06-21 23:10:24
500.   Andrew Shimmin
497- I'll play when Bob does.
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2007-06-21 23:50:50
501.   LAT
This whole Milton Bradley thing is fascinating. Apparently Billy thinks we are morons. "Yes its true, we would not have gotten to the playoffs last year without Milton but after thinking about it, we decided we don't want to go to the playoffs again so we let him go. Oh yeah, and for good measure we are going to replace him with a couple of guys who are inferior to him in every facet of the game."

Thanks Billy, that all seems to make sense.

What, you think you are such a man of mystery that no one will figure out you are just fed up with MB's antics. You think your thinly veiled comments will keep some other GM from realizing what a headcase Milton is so you can still get some value for him. News flash Billy: You would be at least the third GM to reach that conclusion and your coy comments aren't fooling anyone.

2007-06-21 23:54:34
502.   Eric Enders
Looks like Grady agrees with Steve Lyons about rally killers. From the AP gamer:

Nomar Garciaparra greeted Janssen with a single before Kent doubled off the top of the right-field wall.

"You wonder what would have happened if had ball [sic] just gone over the fence," Little said. "It stayed in the park and good things followed."

2007-06-22 00:03:56
503.   underdog
So the Dodgers are going to stay in that haunted hotel in Tampa again. That'll be good - a good night's sleep isn't that important or anything.
2007-06-22 00:12:30
504.   natepurcell
plaschke churns one out...

The general manager will face heat over losing Jason Schmidt but he shouldn't panic and risk the future of the team.

2007-06-22 00:13:29
505.   Andrew Shimmin
People of DT, exult. Crystal Louisiana Hot sauce is available once again! They've opened a new bottling plant in Reserve, Louisiana (they're old bottling plant was in New Orleans), and they're accepting orders:

2007-06-22 00:16:23
506.   natepurcell
With the Dodgers games blaring in the background of my life in the last couple of weeks, I have stopped to watch James Loney hit. I have dropped everything to watch Matt Kemp swing. I'm almost always sitting down when Russell Martin is coming up.

I wish Andy LaRoche was given a longer chance. I wonder how Tony Abreu will look at second base. I love how Andre Ethier always surprises. I have been infected with these kids' ability and enthusiasm, and I know I'm not the only one.

oh my god who is ghost writing for plaschke today?

2007-06-22 00:19:12
507.   Greg Brock
Next, Bill will get into sabermetrics and cite VORP or EqA. Stop laughing.

Th Winchester House has 47 chimneys. That's a lot of chimneys.

2007-06-22 00:24:37
508.   Andrew Shimmin
From the Plaschke that Nate linked to (don't blame me, it was him! Let the rats eat Nate!):

"The offense will react better to new hitting coach Bill Mueller than to Eddie Murray, whose greatness overwhelmed kids who were just too darn intimidated by him."

2007-06-22 00:25:17
509.   LAT
506. You are in luck Mr. Plaschke, there is one seat left on the bandwagon. We knew you were coming, eventually.
2007-06-22 00:27:07
510.   Greg Brock
I want to get fired for an overabundance of awesomeness.

Nice work, Eddie. You da man.

2007-06-22 00:34:05
511.   Greg Brock
Okay, another web site says 47 fireplaces and 17 chimneys.

17 chimneys is much better. 47 would be a little excessive.

2007-06-22 04:36:23
512.   D4P
So, about that Matt Kemp:

It's tempting to think he's having a good year so far. .442 OBP and .550 SLG look pretty nice, until you look at the .425 BA. Where's the patience? Where's the power?

The good news is he's only 22.

2007-06-22 05:09:26
513.   D4P
Kemp's BABIP in 2007 is literally off the chart.

2007-06-22 07:04:30
514.   Gen3Blue
Its a good morning. My favorite part was watching them walk Gonzo, to get to Martin.
Nothing against Gonzo, who's doing great, but Martin, with the bases loaded and the game on the line, is something you might not see happen in our division now. I think he will be respected throughout the majors soon.
By the wat OK I got it, and I'll watch IFC.
2007-06-22 08:00:31
515.   Dark Horse
A frightening observation here:

According to the LA Times poll on "the worst deal in Dodger history," 58 percent believe it to have been the Brad Penny trade.

Whereas 13 reckon it's Pedro for Delino.

I would let that pass unremarked, but I can't do it. Did Plaschke vote a thousand times?

2007-06-22 08:03:59
516.   PHilldodger
512 He's had 40 at-bats. He's had as many homeruns in those AB's as our starting first baseman and centerfielder have combined in 560+ AB's. You think if given 560 AB's Kemp can't do better than those two have done in the power and patience department?
2007-06-22 08:06:12
517.   Terry A
The two early suitors for Milton Bradley's services? The Padres and the Pirates.

I have to say I'm a bit surprised by the latter.

2007-06-22 08:06:29
518.   Jon Weisman
The Plaschke column today is fascinating. He has taken the point of view that he trashed last year.
2007-06-22 08:14:44
519.   Hythloday
516 - I believe you need to read that comment with tongue planted in cheek.
2007-06-22 08:16:14
520.   ToyCannon
Nobody can flip flop better then Bill. You'd think he was a politician.
2007-06-22 08:31:39
521.   Hythloday
520 - I can't believe what I'm about to do, but I think Plaschke's flip-flop is ok from a certain perspective. For a casual Dodger's fan they won't be as tuned in to the farm as we are here and so the excitement doesn't come with the call up, but when they actually start proving themselves. It is hard to deny for even a casual observer that most of the excitement that the offense generates is coming from the yoots.

Now Plaschke shouldn't be a casual Dodger's fan. At the very least he should have a better sense on how the youngsters are performing than vaguely watching them on the tube. He is paid to follow sports after all. But, I don't think he is a politician for flip-flopping so much as for telling people what they already think. Bill doesn't try to shape public opinion, he is merely a milestone of tipping points in public opinion.

2007-06-22 08:38:03
522.   Samuel

Each bar goes with the trade below it, not above it. So really, 57.8% of the people think the Pedro trade was the worst one.

2007-06-22 08:44:39
523.   still bevens
517 Pirates isnt too surprising. Bradley used to refer to Tracy as his 'pops'. Not sure how Tracy felt once Bradley completely ignored one of his orders not to talk to the media, but who knows.

I would pay money to see Bradley interact with the Giles brothers.

2007-06-22 08:45:36
524.   Jon Weisman
521 - I don't have a problem with people changing their minds. I change my mind. I have way more problems with those who are stubborn in their views in the face of changing evidence.

I do have a problem with a sportswriter not treating those with opposing viewpoints with respect, with a sportswriter misrepresenting those points of view to make making his point easier, and then after coming around to the other point of view, failing to acknowledge that maybe the people he trashed last year had a point.

In short, it's not the flip-flop that bothers we at all. It's the unrepentant trashing.

2007-06-22 08:57:53
525.   PHilldodger
519. Thanks. I'm slow on the uptake today.
2007-06-22 09:05:08
526.   Inside Baseball
517, 523

Just listened to Jim Tracy being interviewed on Simers/Roggin's radio show.

His comments on Bradley:
"For the most part I like to think that we had a good relationship while we were in Los Angeles...but you have to wonder how many times can you wear out your welcome...When you look at his career, it's astounding from a Disabled List standpoint how many games he's lost in his career to injury."

When asked directly by Simers if he would want the Pirates to obtain Bradley, Tracy said:

"It would be tough, it's's a very good question when you consider our offensive struggles of late and how hard it has been for us to score runs, but you have to consider how long you would be able to keep him on the field."

Also, they asked him his thoughts on the Dodgers, Padres, and Angels and he basically said he thought all three teams are in very good shape because of the strength of the backend of their bullpens. He then started talking about his Dodger bullpens and Gagne, and then I started to feel all warm and fuzzy toward Tracy, and then I took off my right shoe and slammed my computer monitor on my foot.

2007-06-22 09:12:33
527.   Eric Stephen
According to the Tampa Tribune, Edwin Jackson is still slated to start Sunday. That means the Dodgers face but one lefty this weekend (Kazmir on Saturday).

Is today the day Kemp gets into the lineup?

I would guess Abreu starts at 3B with Lowe on the mound (for defense, at least in the organization's mind -- Abreu has started at 3B in 4 of the last 5 Lowe starts)

Ethier has been hitting well the last few days so he stays in. Same with Kent. Pierre and/or Gonzo are more likely to see time off Saturday against Kazmir.

If Loney is healthy, they might try to get him in there against the righty Sonnanstine.

Here is my projected lineup today:

SS Furcal
CF Pierre
C Martin
2B Kent
DH Gonzo
RF Kemp
LF Ethier
1B Loney
3B Abreu

2007-06-22 09:13:35
528.   Eric Stephen
523 I would pay money for the Giles brothers to change their last name to Parker, so one team could have both Milton Bradley and the Parker Brothers.
2007-06-22 09:18:50
529.   bigcpa
518 If Plaschke had his way Martin would be LoDuca's backup right now. Plaschke has always argued to trade prospects for vets- in particular when Schmidt went to SF and Brian Giles went to SD. And what's so great about having Kemp & Loney around if they don't play?

2 years later he still slips DePodesta's name into his columns like profanity. DePo really shafted this team with those Penny and Lowe contracts didn't he Bill?

2007-06-22 09:20:44
530.   Xeifrank
Interesting. Looks like Guo will come back on three days and pitch sunday, pushing Penny back to pitching on 6 days rest.
vr, Xei
2007-06-22 09:24:09
531.   Humma Kavula
528 And then whoever owns the team -- I forget who owns the Padres -- can change his name to Hasbro.

Maybe Khalil Greene can be the "Wizard of the Coast."

2007-06-22 09:26:11
532.   Eric Stephen
529 Against a standing rule I live by, I went ahead and read the Plaschke article. It was decent enough, but there's still a tone there that's very irritating and smug. Multiple references to "calculators" was a bit much.

I was pleasantly surprised he wanted LaRoche to get more time. Me too.

2007-06-22 09:29:15
533.   Eric Stephen
530 They used the off days to shuffle the rotation this week as well to give Lowe 6 days rest for tonight's start. I thought that was interesting, in direct contrast to Will Carroll mentioning last week or so that Derek Lowe needed little rest and thrived on short rest.
2007-06-22 09:48:10
534.   underdog
It did seem odd until you remember that Kuo pitched less than 2 innings the other day, basically equivalent of a short relief appearance. Maybe after falling off the proverbial horse they want him to get back on it?

Gosh, I really hope we get Gonzo at DH and Kemp in the field tonight, and/or Loney in (and Nomar at DH) - at least one of those things. Otherwise I'll assume all the hauntings in their Tampa hotel spooked Grady beyond rational.

2007-06-22 09:51:35
535.   Jon Weisman
New post at Screen Jam.
2007-06-22 09:56:40
536.   silverwidow
Matt Kemp NEEDS to start against King Edwin. He can really hit those dead straight fastballs. Yeah.
2007-06-22 10:03:16
537.   Eric Stephen
Devil Rays are having a Don Zimmer turn back the clock night Saturday, with a "then and now" bobblehead feature Zimmer in a 1950s Dodgers uni and in a current Tampa uni.

Dodgers will wear 1955 uniforms, and Duke Snider, Carl Erksine, and Johnny Podres will all be there to sign autographs.

Sounds pretty cool to me.

2007-06-22 10:03:47
538.   underdog
I worry that EdJax is going to be out for revenge against his former team and pitch the game of his life. Though he hasn't pitched well enough at any point this year to logically expect that...
2007-06-22 10:07:01
539.   Hallux Valgus
538 I worried about that until I realized that the "game of his life" is still pretty beatable.
2007-06-22 10:09:19
540.   underdog
So the Rays will wear the unis of the St Petersburg Saints, a 1950s minor league team... That sounds cool - I was wondering how they would "turn back the clock" on a team that's only been around for a few years (though they did change their look once).
2007-06-22 10:11:28
541.   Eric Stephen
539 Tell that to Randy Johnson!

2007-06-22 10:15:26
542.   Eric Stephen
Hopefully the Dodgers can score early tonight, as I will be attending the Dice-K vs. Maddux game at Petco Park, and won't be able to see much of the game.

There is talk in Tampa that Elijah Dukes could be released soon, perhaps even before tonight's game.

2007-06-22 10:22:37
543.   Dodgers49
Someone mentioned Sean Burroughs here a few days ago.

Burroughs' career has become mystifying

>>> The strange odyssey of one of this city's most publicized baseball players, Sean Burroughs, took another dark turn last week when he was released by the Seattle Mariners.

2007-06-22 10:26:38
544.   Jon Weisman
543 - I mentioned him in my column two weeks ago.
2007-06-22 10:27:06
545.   Dodgers49
530. Little first shuffled the rotation to give Lowe extra time off. He then shuffled it again because he preferred to have Penny go against the D-Backs which he considers a more important series.
2007-06-22 10:38:49
546.   Indiana Jon
That's excellent news!!!! That is the best hot sauce to use for making hot wings with the Hooter's recipe.
2007-06-22 10:46:28
547.   ToyCannon
E Jackson has been the model of consistency. In 12/13 starts he's either been very very bad or good. He has 6 PQS scores of Zero. 5 PQS scores of 4 and one of 3 and one of 5.
PQS Scores
6 of 0
1 of 3
5 of 4
1 of 5
So six above average starts, 6 very bad starts, one in the middle.

Pure Quality Start (PQS)
Purpose & Meaning
PQS is the next step in following pitching lines. The old Quality Start method - minimum 6 IP, maximum 3 earned runs - is overly simplistic and does not measure any real skill. Bill James' "game score" methodology is better, but it is not feasible for quick calculation.
In PQS, we give a starting pitcher credit for exhibiting certain skills in each of his starts. PQS establishes a single score for each start by assigning one point for achieving each of the criteria listed below; the PQS score ranges from 0 to 5. Then by tracking his score over time, we can follow his true "skills" progress.
A PQS score for a pitcher of 1 or 0 is often coined as a DISaster while a PQS of 4 or 5 is a DOMinating start. Any pitcher who averages 3 or more over the course of the season is performing admirably.
We can also monitor the percentage of starts that are DOM versus DIS and calculate an expected ERA, or PQS ERA (qERA) based upon the comparison of those two percentages.
A pitcher receives one point for meeting each of the criteria:
Must go a minimum of six innings. Any outing of less than 5 IP generates an automatic PQS score of 0.
Must allow a number of hits equal to or less than the number of innings pitched.
Number of strikeouts must be no fewer than two fewer than the number of innings pitched.
Must strike out at least twice as many batters as he walks.
Must allow no more than one home run.

2007-06-22 11:08:00
548.   GoBears
547. I don't get the point. The numerous thresholds built into this measure are all arbitrary. How does the composite PQS stat improve our understanding and evaluation of pitching performance? The desire to consolidate several different types of information, as in so many cases, ends up creating something less meaningful than the component stats themselves. Personally, I'd prefer to just look at K/BB ratio, IP, hits, runs, etc.
2007-06-22 11:19:12
549.   Disabled List
526 When you look at his career, it's astounding from a Disabled List standpoint how many games he's lost in his career to injury.

Yes. I am astounded.

2007-06-22 11:24:37
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2007-06-22 11:26:58
551.   underdog
Loons, er Lance, Parrish is optimistic:

Jose Diaz will be an interesting name to follow. Again.

2007-06-22 11:43:05
552.   Eric Stephen
526,549 I expected the Jim Tracy quote to be this instead:

"Am I astounded from a Disabled List standpoint by how many games he's lost to injury? Looking at his career, yes."

2007-06-22 11:46:11
553.   Kevin Lewis
I played against Sean Burroughs in high school. He was on a pedestal for me, since I had watched him in the LLWS, wishing I was there. Man he was big and strong for HS, and he could hit lines drives that made you glad you were wearing a cup.
2007-06-22 11:49:36
554.   Jon Weisman
New post up top.

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