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Garciaparra To Take Grounders at Third
2007-06-25 16:50
by Jon Weisman

It looks as if James Loney has won the Dodgers' first-base job and caused Grady Little to push Nomar Garciaparra to third base.

From Inside the Dodgers:

Grady just let the beat writers and other media know that Nomar is going to start taking some ground balls and working out at third base in the next few days, as there's a chance he'll start playing there. And as you can imagine, Nomar seems totally fine with it. He played there with the Cubs briefly and a little in high school and I truly believe him when he says "whatever's best for the team."

If that means more playing time for James Loney, great. In fact, this is something many people have been rooting for all year long. However, I wouldn't be so quick to assume that moving Garciaparra to third base will improve the Dodgers at that position, offensively or defensively. Wilson Betemit is still having a better season, if you include his pinch-hitting totals. And why wouldn't you?

But my support for Betemit shouldn't be mistaken for a firm belief that he can outperform Garciaparra over the course of the season. I suspect that Betemit can, but there's enough doubt that I'm willing to see what happens. The Dodgers are making room for the productive kids (like Loney), step by step. Is spot rest for Juan Pierre so far away?

I guess the nonsensical fears of Garciaparra injuring himself by playing third (as opposed to first) are out the window now.

Update: Garciaparra could be in a game at third as soon as Friday and isn't likely to be an experiment, according to Kevin Pearson of the Press-Enterprise:

Little said the move is likely permanent, as he would not move Garciaparra to third as simply a part-time thing. Nomar could also see time at first, but it appears this move is to stay.

Garciaparra is taking ground balls at third base as we speak. He last played the position in 2005 while with the Chicago Cubs. But as a natural shortstop, the move should be fairly easy for him.

"The primary factor is winning games," Little said.

Says Tony Jackson: "Grady said Nomar might still occasionally see some action at 1B, but he was VERY committed to Nomar becoming the primary 3B."

Update 2: So, does this qualify as a hybrid Wally Pipp moment for Garciaparra? Starting first baseman gets achy, gets well but loses his position? (Note: According to, Pipp really was benched, as opposed to losing his job over a headache.)

* * *

Tonight's 6:40 p.m. game:


Retro Gameday

Comments (592)
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2007-06-25 16:55:59
1.   Inside Baseball
Anything that gets more ABs for Loney is a great thing. Awesome news.
2007-06-25 16:58:17
2.   DougS
I agree that Nomar getting injured at third shouldn't be an issue. If it happens, then both Betemit and Loney play. And that would be a bad thing??
2007-06-25 16:58:43
3.   Eric Stephen
I wonder how long it will take before Nomar is ready to man the hot corner.
2007-06-25 16:59:52
4.   Greg Brock
Well, "taking grounders" is not the same thing as "will be playing third base full time" so we'll see how this plays out. I've wanted Nomar at third all year, and this opens the door for Loney, so I'm pleased with that.

The Dodgers are well aware of the Nomar problem. And that's a good thing.

2007-06-25 17:01:04
5.   Eric Stephen
Next step: Kemp and Ethier in the same OF in a game not involving the DH.
2007-06-25 17:02:03
6.   Bluebleeder87
I guess the nonsensical fears of Garciaparra injuring himself by playing third (as opposed to first) are out the window now.

wow, Loney is even making Grady Little a believer, i'm really glad upper management has this attitude it says a lot about them.

2007-06-25 17:02:42
7.   Greg Brock
5 I'm pulling for Kemp, Ethier, and Gonzo in the same game.

"Pulling for" and "holding my breath until" are not synonymous.

2007-06-25 17:05:08
8.   bigcpa
I really did enjoy the lineup with Kemp & Betemit in there together vs a RHP two weeks ago.
2007-06-25 17:05:18
9.   MC Safety
4- i agree, it does bring light to the situation at first. so next suestion does this mean we arent looking to upgrade third/anywhere? whats with him saying we didnt need a bat and he was looking for a starter or reliever? im still scratching my head.
2007-06-25 17:05:34
10.   blue22
How long until they announce Pierre "is going to start taking some ground balls at third"?
2007-06-25 17:06:35
11.   trainwreck
I am still perplexed on why we want relievers.
2007-06-25 17:07:39
12.   Eric Stephen
7 I should have mentioned Gonzo too. Having Kemp and Ethier flanking Pierre wouldn't accomplish much I guess.

Regarding Betemit, couldn't he be the supersub, playing an occasional 3B, and backing up SS & 2B? He has played only one partial game at SS, and one in RF; the rest of the time he's been at 3B. It will be interesting to see what happens when Lucille II is ready to come back.

2007-06-25 17:09:13
13.   Eric Stephen
9 I'm pretty sure Colletti said "not only do we need a power bat, but we also need a reliever," or something to that effect.
2007-06-25 17:10:48
14.   willhite
11 -

I think he was referring to finding someone to fill in for Billingsly as a long man. Maybe that indicates he doesn't plan to have Hendrickson and/or Tomko around much longer.

2007-06-25 17:14:04
15.   Tangled Up in Blue
Now if we can just get him to start taking pitches while hitting 7th we would be set.
2007-06-25 17:14:59
16.   underdog
11 Because with Bills now starting, and Tomko and Hendy unreliable, we have Saito and Broxton and...that's the only reliable part, really. Beimel's usually solid though he imploded yesterday. Seanez has been better than I expected but still not what I'd be super confident in for the long haul this year.

But if you're point is they've got Meloan and Houlton in the minors to replace a couple of the above, instead of trading for someone, you're right.

2007-06-25 17:15:42
17.   MJW101
I think trying Nomar at 3B is a great idea! Too bad we did not think of it earlier in the season. Better late than never I say.

As far as JP, well, how about we offer him, Hendrickson, a "B" prospect and $$$ to the Mariners for Ichiro Suzuki. I know he is a star, but he is in his walk year and I do not think the Mariners can afford to resign him. Pierre could be the Mariner's CF for the next 4 1/2 years.

I know the Mariners GM is still annoyed with the LADs because they got rid of him a few years ago (he loved "stealing" Beltre???), but he may be the only GM, other than Ned, to believe JP is a good player. Hendrickson gives them a serviceable SP/RP and $$$ helps with the bloated contract.

Ichiro would give the Dodgers a legitimate leadoff hitter. Furcal could rest more and bat 8th until his ankle heals. Ned could offer Ichiro arb or loads of money to resign.

Either way CF would no longer be a problem offensively or defensively in 07.

I realize it is probably a pipe dream, but it would be good for both teams.

2007-06-25 17:17:05
18.   underdog
"your point," not "you're point." Sigh, I need a nap.

Hey, are any of these games on ESPN? Or are they only broadcasting Sox and Yankee games these days?

2007-06-25 17:17:30
19.   Doctor
Awesome news.
Good for Nomar for having that attitude, hope it works.
2007-06-25 17:17:37
20.   overkill94
11 You guys aren't at least a little worried about the 7th inning situation? I'm hoping that Tsao and/or Meloan could be the answer, but the former isn't exactly the picture of health and the latter could go through some growing pains a la Broxton in 2005.
2007-06-25 17:20:41
21.   Eric Enders
The Mariners ain't trading Ichiro. What little revenue they have these days would completely dry up if that happened. If we want Ichiro, we'll have to sign him as a free agent. And at that point, you would have to question the wisdom of a power-starved team signing three slappy leadoff hitters to lucrative free agent contracts within a three-year period.
2007-06-25 17:21:00
22.   El Lay Dave
Late to the "good trade" discussion, but I wanted to add these:

pre-1973 season: Andy Messersmith and Ken McMullen acquired for Frank Robinson, Bill Singer, Mike Strahler, Billy Grabarkewitz, and Bobby Valentine. Messersmith was the ace in 1974 and in his three Dodger season - as long as anyone in this trade lasted with his new team - his ERA+s were 128, 132, 149. Robby had one good comeback year for California and Valentine became the tragic "what if" story; I can still see the newspaper photo of his broken leg in my mind to this day.

pre 1976 season: Dusty Baker and Ed Goodson for Jimmy Wynn, Tom Paciorek, Lee Lacy, and Jerry Royster. Wynn was a season away from done and Lacy was reacquired in mid-June with Elias Sosa for Mike Marshall whose best days were behind him.

2007-06-25 17:21:32
23.   FirstMohican
When you have guys like Broxton and Saito, is finding a 3rd stud relief option really a huge concern?
2007-06-25 17:23:13
24.   Greg Brock
I doubt the Dodgers could get a relief pitcher with May Day Meloan's* stuff without giving up a real player or two. I think ned was just filling air time with that. At least, I hope he was.

*Mayday Meloan was a great name. Kudos to the poster who coined it. Can't remember, but take a bow.

2007-06-25 17:23:56
25.   Jon Weisman
Update to this post above. The P-E says the move is likely permanent and full-time.
2007-06-25 17:24:23
26.   Eric Stephen
20 The Dodgers might need a reliever, but at this point in the season that means Ned has to trade for one. Here's a list of relievers Ned has traded for:

Mark Hendrickson (although acquired as a starter)
Danys Baez
Lance Carter
Tim Hamulack
Elmer Dessens

Not an impact pitcher among them. Why give anything up for a "proven" reliever when you can call up Meloan and/or just sit tight until Tsao comes back?

2007-06-25 17:26:39
27.   Jon Weisman
By the way, I think it was fair for Josh to call this news "interesting."
2007-06-25 17:26:54
28.   Eric Stephen
26 I'll add that I have been generally pleased with Colletti's bullpens thus far, but the best moves have been on the cheap (Saito, Beimel, Tsao as FAs; Broxton growing into his role).
2007-06-25 17:27:13
29.   Bob Timmermann
I again renew my objection to any baseball player having a "natural" position.

Unless Nomar was able to attract Mia Hamm by showing his ability to make a throw from deep in the hole.

I think some species of finches do that in the Galapagos.

2007-06-25 17:27:27
30.   Marty
This is the best possible outcome of the mysterious "interesting news". Anything that gets Big Game James more ABs is good.
2007-06-25 17:27:52
31.   Eric Stephen
27 Perhaps the use of the term "interesting" was a nod to the use of it here to describe a no-hitter.

Nomar thus far in 2007 = "No hitter"

2007-06-25 17:28:51
32.   underdog
26 Exactly. Or what underdog said in 16 ;-) But no, I agree, trading for a reliever probably rarely works out. We have options in the organization.
2007-06-25 17:28:51
33.   Eric Enders
20 I'd say I'm a little worried about the 7th inning, but I don't think it's anywhere near the biggest thing to worry about. Tsao looks like he's coming back soon, and Meloan looks as ready as he'll ever be. He may experience the Broxton-2005 growing pains, but I do think Broxton in 2005 would have been OK if he'd been allowed to pitch more. He got the hang of it soon enough. Broxton pitched 14 games that year. In the first seven games he had a 8.53 ERA and .320 opponents' BA; in the last seven he had a 3.69 ERA and .179 OBA.
2007-06-25 17:29:16
34.   bryanf
I know it's been talked about for a long time, but it seems, well, "interesting" that this happens only a day after Nomar had the flu. I'm sure it's completely coincidental, and if anything, just reassured management that Loney is the real deal, but it just seemed funny...a first baseman with the flu comes back as a third baseman.
2007-06-25 17:30:16
35.   arbfuldodger
How many days til he takes over 3B?
2007-06-25 17:30:20
36.   Nagman
27 Not being involved in journalism, was it a courtesy to the beat writers to let them get the news first, or more of a case of letting the manager of the team deliver the news? I'm just curious as to why Josh couldn't just tell us this.

Certainly if it were a trade I can see making sure all parties were notified.

2007-06-25 17:30:53
37.   Eric Enders
30 It's probably not a good idea to call him that. Brad Penny might shoot him.
2007-06-25 17:33:39
38.   overkill94
I wouldn't have a problem with getting another reliever, but unfortunately the precedent has been set that to acquire a useful one you have to give up more than they're worth. That's why if I'm the Rockies, I put Fuentes out there and sell him off the highest bidder, playoff hopes be damned.
2007-06-25 17:34:40
39.   Jon Weisman
34, 35 - See updates above.

36 - I'd guess Josh found out, but that Grady was the appropriate person to deliver the news.

2007-06-25 17:34:55
40.   Eric Stephen
30,37 I'm normally against nicknames that have already been used, but in this case...

1) James Worthy = original "Big Game James"
2) Worthy arrested for solicitation of prostitution in the late 1980s in Houston
3) Assuming this wasn't Worthy's first "visit" to Houston, James Loney was born in 1984 in...Houston!

You do the math.

2007-06-25 17:37:09
41.   Marty
So, what are you saying about Loney's mom?
2007-06-25 17:37:11
42.   arbfuldodger
39 Thanks
2007-06-25 17:38:26
43.   Eric Stephen
41 I realized that as soon as I hit "submit". D'oh! Maybe Loney will read this and use it as motivation!
2007-06-25 17:44:43
44.   Marty
43 Could be worse. ItD has gotten themselves into a sexism fight.
2007-06-25 17:45:26
45.   underdog
42 I can't tell, is your name a typo or a purposeful turn of phrase? My curiosity is piqued.

Well, the Dodgers keep going down our wish list here, so who knows - maybe Pierre moving to the bench is next. Probably not, but, you never know.

2007-06-25 17:48:14
46.   Eric Enders
In other third base news, Josh Bell hit his 8th home run today and after an ice-cold start is now batting .283/.349/.471 for the season.
2007-06-25 17:48:51
47.   Jon Weisman
Grady said he had been thinking of actually doing this for a week.
2007-06-25 17:51:51
48.   Bob Timmermann
Reacquiring Buddy Carlyle would have been interesting news too.
2007-06-25 17:52:03
49.   Eric Enders
Loney currently stands at a 227 OPS+ in 29 plate appearances.

Who was the last Dodger to post a 225 OPS+ with at least 25 PA?

2007-06-25 17:52:07
50.   ToyCannon
Since I'm confident Nomar is going to hit the only question now is can he make the throw and go to his right and left well enough to make this a defensible decision. I think he will be a terrible defensive 3b, but I hope he surprises me.
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2007-06-25 17:52:32
51.   ToyCannon
Matt Kemp
2007-06-25 17:53:22
52.   Telemachos
I've got to say, I'm fairly excited about Nomar at 3b: I've been increasingly bummed lately because I do like Nomar (despite his wretchedness at the plate this year) but I really never wanted him to block Loney, who I'm also a big fan of.

So, now I get to watch Nomar and not feel an ugly annoyance that he's blocking BGJ. And I feel at some point he's got to get a bit of power back (if not homers, at least doubles) -- plus this also shows Ned/Grady's commitment to the Kids.

(I'll wait till next year before I start worrying about Nomar blocking La Roche).

2007-06-25 17:54:04
53.   thinkblue0
really like this move. It would still be nice to see a power bat brought in (maybe in RF?) but it seems the only legit player available would be Dye...and he's stinking up the joint this year.

Does Ned need to start working the phones for a reliever, or should we give a guy like Meloan a shot?

2007-06-25 17:54:41
54.   MJW101
Why is it that Dodger fans cringe when there is a possibility of Ned making a trade?
2007-06-25 17:56:40
55.   CanuckDodger
46 -- The most interesting thing I noticed from that game is that the Loons' catcher, Carlos Santana, has stolen 3 bases in the game, including a steal of 3rd base. Too bad his hitting has been poor this year.

Also, the GCL Dodgers have now started their season with a 6-0 record. Minor league wins and losses themselves don't matter, but this might be a good sign for the prospect talent on the team.

2007-06-25 17:59:42
56.   schoffle
49 Marlon Anderson?

Considering that Dodger management is conceding (well seeming conceding) that Loney is better than Nomar, why is it that Nomar continues to start?

2007-06-25 18:01:44
57.   ToyCannon
I've been very disapointed in Santana this year and I hope the hitting woes are related to the work he's putting in trying to be a catcher. The Loons as a team have really been on fire and who can't be happy with the way Bell and Mattingly and Peterson have picked it up.
2007-06-25 18:02:41
58.   ToyCannon
That is the interesting question isn't it?
2007-06-25 18:02:59
59.   Eric Enders
49 Actually it turns out that Loney's OPS+ is currently the highest in Dodger history (Brooklyn or L.A.) for players with at least 25 plate appearances.

Marlon Anderson is second. Here is the complete list:

2007-06-25 18:03:28
60.   confucius
56 I think they're conceding that Loney is better than Betemit/Abreu. They're the ones that are going to lose AB's.
2007-06-25 18:03:42
61.   bigcpa
54 Because his best moves have all been FA signings (Furcal, Nomar I, Schmidt, Wolf, Saito) and his trades have been questionable if not brutal (Baez, Hendrickson, Lugo). And yes I think Schmidt was a great signing.
2007-06-25 18:05:57
62.   Eric Stephen
61 I agree with you, but I have to give Ned the nod for:

1) Maddux for Izturis
2) Betemit for Aybar/Baez

2007-06-25 18:07:00
63.   Bob Timmermann
And Mike Piazza wasn't the MVP in 1997 because ...???
2007-06-25 18:08:38
64.   Marty
But Pipp getting a headache is so much a better story.
2007-06-25 18:10:01
65.   bigcpa
62 I like those too but I think they were lower risk/reward moves to begin with. Dealing Guzman for Lugo was a high risk, low reward play and was done at 12:59pm on 7/31 like a root canal without the novocaine.
2007-06-25 18:10:25
66.   Eric Stephen
63 That list also has Pedro Guerrero, who should have won in 1985.
2007-06-25 18:10:25
67.   Eric Enders
More fun with small sample sizes. Here are the 10 best hitters in Dodger history:
(100 or more career PAs, ranked by OPS+)

1 Marlon Anderson 162
2 Gary Sheffield 161
3 Mike Piazza 160
4 Jack Bolling 159
5 Jack Fournier 157
6 Alex Kampouris 153
7 Reggie Smith 152
8 Dick Allen 151
9 Pedro Guerrero 149
10 James Loney 145

2007-06-25 18:11:48
68.   Brent is a Dodger Fan
63 I can't even think about 1997 and Larry Walker without feeling like that was a huge mistake on the part of the voters. Fooled by park effects!

If you go look up Walker vs. Piazza on modern measures such as EQA, he wins, hands down.

2007-06-25 18:13:20
69.   El Lay Dave
62 as mentioned often recently:

3) Ethier for Bradley, Perez

2007-06-25 18:13:56
70.   Brent is a Dodger Fan
52 I knew there was a reason I looked up Nomar's contract recently -- to see just how many more years Ned committed to blocking the youth movement...
2007-06-25 18:15:00
71.   ToyCannon
But years from now when debating his HOF merit they will mention he never won a MVP.
2007-06-25 18:16:16
72.   Dodgers49
40. 2) Worthy arrested for solicitation of prostitution in the late 1980s in Houston
3) Assuming this wasn't Worthy's first "visit" to Houston, James Loney was born in 1984 in...Houston!

Worthy was arrested in Houston in 1990. They're not related. :-)

2007-06-25 18:16:22
73.   Greg Brock
56 I'm going along with this one. Nomar, theoretically, should ride pine and take grounders until he's ready. Won't happen, but should.
2007-06-25 18:17:24
74.   ToyCannon
Ned has made 4 solid trades. The 1st two mentioned, yours, and of course the trade for the greatest hitter in Dodger history.
Four good deals is nothing to sniff at.
2007-06-25 18:24:30
75.   El Lay Dave
72 But Worthy started with the Lakers in '82-'83 and they traveled to Houston every season.....
2007-06-25 18:27:15
76.   Nagman
ESPN considers the Nomar news to be ticker-worthy.
2007-06-25 18:27:38
77.   confucius
Who cares about this Worthy thing. James Loney has already been dubbed "Crazy Eyes".
2007-06-25 18:31:12
78.   Eric Enders
And Extra Innings with the rare Vin-in-a-road-game feed. Today is a happy day so far.
2007-06-25 18:33:16
79.   bhsportsguy
77 I thought that was the Runaway Bride's nickname.

I can't believe I have talked to Greg Brock more than a few times and we have not discussed his infatuation with the Astronaut.

2007-06-25 18:34:47
80.   Gen3Blue
I am so relieved if the interesting news is what it appears. Ie. Nomar to get work at third. I must admit I had been having visions of trades involving Loney and Kemp.
At this point, almost any such trade would be bad, although I have come a long way and could at least try to accept certain good trades.
I don't think its a secret that one of the missions at Vegas was to try to tweak Loney's swing to put a bit more "lift in it", hoping for more HRs. Between that and not "being a minor league player" in general Loney initially lost about 140 points off his BA. I think they may have given up on that plan when his average started rising and then he got recalled.
But he has the beautiful swing of a line drive hitter and you just have to go with it. Don't tamper with that great swing and maybe the "power" will come as he matures. If not he is going to dent a lot more wall so who really cares. Watching him, one sees mostly balls hitting walls or bouncing off railings with that flat trajectory. This is not bad!
By the way, despite his player comps at Prospectus and elsewhere, I think the best fit is Olerud or Grace and I'm sticking with it. A shill for Loney, Gen3Blu
2007-06-25 18:37:37
81.   underdog
78 I wish I could say the same about MLBTV. :-( Is there special piece of software I can download that will convert the road broadcast team to Vin Scully?
2007-06-25 18:37:46
82.   Greg Brock
79 Give me a call back. I've always got time for some good Nowak talk.

I Loves me some Nowak.

2007-06-25 18:45:26
83.   Greg Brock
Nomar's Home/Road splits make almost no sense.

Is "Lowrider" really that powerful?

2007-06-25 18:46:03
84.   underdog
The DBacks announcer has a mancrush on Micah Owings, apparently.
2007-06-25 18:47:02
85.   Andrew Shimmin
.362 BABIP at home, .258 BABIP on the road. It's probably just luck. Even the home numbers stink for a 1B.
2007-06-25 18:47:32
86.   confucius
79 Joe Biemel called him crazy eyes while giving the lineup on big FOX against the Angels.
2007-06-25 18:48:48
87.   natepurcell
andrew lambo hit his first professional homerun today.
2007-06-25 18:49:21
88.   Andrew Shimmin
The Fox fellows took it to be an allusion to an episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm, but I think it's just about the sinisterly colored contact lenses he used to wear.
2007-06-25 18:50:53
89.   spacebrother
What's up with the Gameday live pitch stats? I want my "brk" and more importantly "pfx!"
2007-06-25 18:51:37
90.   Dodgers49
I consider this interesting news to be great news. My fear was we were going to see much more of Loney in right field which for me is scary.
2007-06-25 18:52:36
91.   Greg Brock
Just dose the guy in the ribs and be done with it. We don't need these at bats this early in the game.
2007-06-25 18:53:44
92.   spacebrother
He should have listened to you.
2007-06-25 18:54:11
93.   underdog
C'mon, Drew, you're supposed to strike out and sit down. Not make it a 12 pitch at bat or whatever it was and then take a walk. Let's do that again, from the top.
2007-06-25 18:54:50
94.   El Lay Dave
Just as long as no one calls him Joe Don Loney.
2007-06-25 18:55:16
95.   Greg Brock
Theres a sniper in right field!

Oh, he just fell down. Nevermind.

2007-06-25 18:55:25
96.   underdog
I think Ethier just hit a lump in the carpet out there.
2007-06-25 18:55:34
97.   natepurcell
way to go penny.
2007-06-25 18:55:52
98.   underdog
Whew! Thank you Chad Tracy.
2007-06-25 18:56:50
99.   El Lay Dave
Ah, after the last couple games, a DP in the Dodgers favor!
2007-06-25 18:57:05
100.   natepurcell
Lambo is controlling the strike zone very well.

in 14AB

357/526/643 5bb 1k

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2007-06-25 18:58:37
101.   Jon Weisman
Based on all that was written and commented over the weekend, you would have thought that the Dodgers were the only team in baseball that doesn't convert every scoring opportunity.
2007-06-25 18:58:43
102.   confucius
88 The contacts and his eyes kinda bug out. I wanted it to be about crazy eyes killah though.

"Yo Delicious..."

2007-06-25 19:00:44
103.   Andrew Shimmin
Nice to see LuGo get a warm welcome.
2007-06-25 19:01:16
104.   kadycee
It's nice how they cheer for Gonzo. I even liked him when he was a D'Back.
2007-06-25 19:02:23
105.   Andrew Shimmin
102- We cool de la?
2007-06-25 19:03:06
106.   underdog
104 I like that, too. I wonder if the situation was reversed (if he was a former Dodger now a D-Back, with same career), if they'd cheer him in LA? Maybe they would. A lot of former Dodgers get booed when they come back, but it depends on the player, circumstances, career...
2007-06-25 19:03:37
107.   Jon Weisman
The Dodgers just tried a hit and run with Gonzalez and Kent. Those triples have gone to their heads!
2007-06-25 19:04:31
108.   Jon Weisman
107 - They just tried it again. Gonzalez has fouled it off both times. Next might be a hit-and-crawl.
2007-06-25 19:04:56
109.   Jon Weisman
108 - I was right. Kent was out by 10 feet.
2007-06-25 19:04:59
110.   Greg Brock
That was executed...poorly.
2007-06-25 19:05:04
111.   dkminnick
What the heck was that?
2007-06-25 19:05:04
112.   natepurcell
we're really good at that!
2007-06-25 19:05:23
113.   underdog
Um, you're supposed to swing Gonzo, when Kent's running.
2007-06-25 19:05:36
114.   Frip
4 - "The Dodgers are well aware of the Nomar problem."

Thinking back on all the good times with Nomar last year, that sentence rings sad, and a little cold.

2007-06-25 19:05:37
115.   JoeyP
Evidently the Dodgers didnt learn anything from the weekend.

Stop Running!

2007-06-25 19:05:48
116.   Andrew Shimmin
Was that a Pierre-ish miss of the hit and run sign, or did Kent really have a green light to steal?
2007-06-25 19:06:03
117.   Icaros
[Heavy sigh]
2007-06-25 19:06:26
118.   underdog
Did they think Kent was Pierre for a second? Oh well, and now Russ gets a hit with no one on.
2007-06-25 19:06:27
119.   Jon Weisman
116 - See 107-109.
2007-06-25 19:06:28
120.   Greg Brock
This running into outs thing is starting to bother me.

I know it's absolutely killing Nate.

2007-06-25 19:07:20
121.   Icaros
I hate running.
2007-06-25 19:07:27
122.   Andrew Shimmin
Yup. Refreshing before posting; sometimes I forget.
2007-06-25 19:07:53
123.   kadycee
106. I think Piazza used to get some cheers when he came back. Not sure about LoDuca. But, yes, usually people boo, it seems.
2007-06-25 19:08:16
124.   JoeyP
116--Kent was running on a 3-2 pitch. I guess since Gonzo rarely Ks, its not that low of a percentage play, but with Russ on deck it was unnecessary.
2007-06-25 19:08:21
125.   Greg Brock
114 It's not my fault he's not hitting well. It's a problem.

Don't fire a weapon at the guy who is merely bringing the message!

2007-06-25 19:08:22
126.   El Lay Dave
Um, how many teams play hit-and-run with their 4 and 5 hitters, and with their best # 3 hitter on deck? It's not like Walter Johnson is on the mound and chances need to be taken.
2007-06-25 19:08:27
127.   underdog
I like how the DBacks announcers were talking about Loney and they cut to a shot of Marlon Anderson. Um... wrong guy.
2007-06-25 19:10:07
128.   Bob Timmermann
how many teams play hit-and-run with their 4 and 5 hitters, and with their best # 3 hitter on deck

I don't think that happens a lot because the #3 hitter would be batting out of order.

2007-06-25 19:10:57
129.   kadycee
I like running...when it's done correctly by people who can, um, RUN.
2007-06-25 19:11:43
130.   Sam DC
Braves run Buddy Carlyle out tomorrow night v. the Nationals. I'll be watching!

And sorry for my slowness, but is 67 a list of the best Dodger hitting stretches of 100 or more PAs, ranked by OPS+, with the number listed there being the number of PAs being used ? In other words, did Marlon Anderson have an awesome stretch of 162 PAs last fall, or did he have an awesome stretch of PAs in which he OPSplussed 162?

2007-06-25 19:11:47
131.   Icaros
This isn't as fun when there isn't anyone really exciting batting 7-8-9.
2007-06-25 19:11:48
132.   El Lay Dave
I know shifts up the defensive spectrum don't usually work, but I will hope against hope that Nomar can still play 3B. As an ex-SS he could still have enough arm, but range will be a question. He didn't show good range at 1B, but he also seemed to be pretty uncomfortable shifting from holding the runner to assuming the defensive position, and seemed to have timing problems with it as well. Maybe Nomar will be more comfortable just positioning and reacting at the hot corner.

Does anyone needs straws? I seem to have glommed onto a few.

2007-06-25 19:12:42
133.   El Lay Dave
131 Ethier is 7 for his last 11.
2007-06-25 19:12:56
134.   El Lay Dave
133 ... before tonight.
2007-06-25 19:13:51
135.   Greg Brock
I find myself waiting for Loney and Kemp to come up.

They're not playing tonight.

2007-06-25 19:14:12
136.   El Lay Dave
128 It happens when the best #3 hitter bats sixth.
2007-06-25 19:14:17
137.   Andrew Shimmin
Merlin has 102 career PA as a Dodger.
2007-06-25 19:14:38
138.   natepurcell
from dodger notes...

Still unsigned are supplemental first-round pick James Adkins, a left-handed pitcher from the University of Tennessee; fifth-rounder Kyle Blair, a left-handed pitcher from Los Gatos (Calif.) High School; and 14th-rounder Devin Fuller, a right-handed pitcher from Gilbert (Ariz.) High School. Blair is the most likely to sign.

I think Gurnick is wrong....again.

2007-06-25 19:14:53
139.   underdog
Nomar definitely could have had the runner at 2nd on that one. Looking forward to seeing Loney over there soon...

Wowsa, Quentin is 5 for 7 vs. Penny so far in his young career.

2007-06-25 19:15:44
140.   Dodgers49
It's hard to understand how LuGo can take THAT pitch on a 3-2 count. It was a strike all the way. He should have been all over it.
2007-06-25 19:15:51
141.   underdog
Make that 5 for 8.
2007-06-25 19:16:16
142.   El Lay Dave
130 Career Dodger OPS+. Marlon's Dodger OPS+ in '06 was 207 (!). That's hot.
2007-06-25 19:16:43
143.   StolenMonkey86
but how often does the 6 hitter sacrifice?
2007-06-25 19:17:32
144.   Jon Weisman
138 - That had to be just a plain mistake on his part - he can't really mean that Blair would be the most likely.
2007-06-25 19:17:57
145.   Bob Timmermann
He was really bunting for a hit and got a favorable ruling because there were none out.
2007-06-25 19:18:25
146.   Sam DC
137 Wow -- so the natural-but-hard-to-believe reading is correct? Those are OPS+ numbers for each person's entire Dodger career?
2007-06-25 19:18:39
147.   El Lay Dave
143 Not often, one would think.
2007-06-25 19:18:46
148.   underdog
Yeah, I'm sure Gurnick meant "least likely." And I thought they'd signed Adkins, no? Hm.
2007-06-25 19:20:20
149.   StolenMonkey86
145 - Oh, ok. I just wouldn't expect that from someone who would tie our team's leader him homers.
2007-06-25 19:22:46
150.   Andrew Shimmin
With the new CBA, do unsigned sandwich picks get the team a do-over pick the next year, or is it still strictly the first thirty picks that are eligible for that protection?
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2007-06-25 19:23:00
151.   Dodgers49
Now that Abreu's days are numbered at 3rd I expect him to have a good series at AZ.
2007-06-25 19:23:20
152.   jtrichey
What could possibly be the purpose of running while bunting?
2007-06-25 19:23:46
153.   kadycee
2007-06-25 19:24:16
154.   StolenMonkey86
where'd it hit him?
2007-06-25 19:24:18
155.   Gen3Blue
Penny's a righty--right.
2007-06-25 19:24:29
156.   underdog
Going out on a limb here, but that wasn't what Owings wanted to do.
2007-06-25 19:24:37
157.   JoeyP
That had to hurt for Penny.
2007-06-25 19:24:39
158.   Frip
125 - I know you're right about Nomar. Just something hard in the way you put it. Sounded like you were narrating Animal Farm, with the pigs strategizing on how to turn the old steed Boxer into glue.
2007-06-25 19:25:09
159.   kadycee
that turned out well.
2007-06-25 19:25:59
160.   underdog
And... that wasn't what Furcal wanted to do.

Pitch hit Penny on the left arm, seems okay.

2007-06-25 19:26:30
161.   Greg Brock
158 All 1st baseman are equal.

But some are more equal than others.

2007-06-25 19:26:41
162.   jtrichey
3 days now, no matter what we do it results in a double play. we run, and it's a strike em out throw em out, we don't run and its an easy 6-4-3. Nothing makes me want to put a hole in my wall more than the DP (on offense, strangely I love when the defense turns them)
2007-06-25 19:26:42
163.   underdog
Well, we have Slappy McClutch up here so we're fine.
2007-06-25 19:27:04
164.   Gen3Blue
154 Left elbow.
Poor Raf. This is the diff from last years team. Furc isn't all there. Someone recently suggested this at this site, and I have come to see how true it is.
2007-06-25 19:27:16
165.   Bob Timmermann
Prior to tonight, the #6 hitter (not being a pitcher) had sacrificed seven times in the NL. While there were some banjo hitters like Oscar Robles, Alfredo Amezaga, and Juan Castro who did it, the list also includes Bengie Molina and Mark Reynolds.

There have been 9 sacrifices by the #6 spot in the AL this year, which makes some sense since the lineup construction is different.

2007-06-25 19:27:37
166.   kadycee
158. If he thought he was going to a glue factory, he might kick it up a notch.
2007-06-25 19:27:37
167.   JoeyP
Owings is all over the place tonight.
2007-06-25 19:28:08
168.   Gen3Blue
Thats slappy McPopup, thank you.
2007-06-25 19:28:55
169.   kadycee
I can never see that enough from Pierre.

(I should thank the Dodgers for giving me an opportunity to brush up on my sarcasm skills).

2007-06-25 19:28:57
170.   Bob Timmermann
Padres 1st in San Francisco:
- M. Giles walked
- J. Cruz Jr. struck out swinging
- A. Gonzalez struck out swinging
- M. Cameron struck out swinging
2007-06-25 19:29:52
171.   El Lay Dave
From the LAT article on Nomar to third:
Manager Grady Little said he had been contemplating the move for about a week

Some people may have contemplated that move for a little bit longer.

2007-06-25 19:30:00
172.   jtrichey
I have a feeling that Pierre is Vin Scully's least favorite Dodger ever.
2007-06-25 19:30:31
173.   underdog
168 Yes, indeed, © 2007 underdog.

But I was trying to encourage him to branch out a little. So much for that.

2007-06-25 19:31:07
174.   bluegold
Runners on 1st and 2nd, no outs, don't score.
Penny needs to pitch a shutout to win this one. Wait! Dodgers still need to score a run for Penny to win a shutout.
2007-06-25 19:32:06
175.   kadycee
Crazy hair guy is up.
2007-06-25 19:32:12
176.   StolenMonkey86
170 - Blast! I thought I told my fantasy team to start Lincecum, but apparently no.

I'll just blame ESPN.

2007-06-25 19:32:33
177.   Gen3Blue
Padres vs. Giants? I can't think of anything better for my mood! However, someone has to win, don't they. Not good in the long perspective.
2007-06-25 19:33:23
178.   El Lay Dave
170 On the less dark side, it took him 19 pitches.
2007-06-25 19:33:41
179.   StolenMonkey86
and I started Lackey.

I hate fantasy.

2007-06-25 19:33:42
180.   JoeyP
Grace is endorsing retaliation on the Dbax broadcast.
2007-06-25 19:33:48
181.   kadycee
177. maybe there will be an earthquake.
2007-06-25 19:34:42
182.   StolenMonkey86
So after 3

Owings 52 pitches
Penny 36 pitches

2007-06-25 19:36:04
183.   underdog
180 He's really talking just out of boredom it would seem. He thinks Owings was getting back at Penny for a slide in the last game Penny pitched here, where he knocked over Hudson at 2nd base (even though it didn't really seem that flagrant). So he went with that theory for a good five minutes even though I think it's all a lot of bunk.
2007-06-25 19:36:09
184.   Bob Timmermann
If Mr. Bonds cooperates, the Giants could have two players reach 75 and 750 career home runs in the same game now. Vizquel just picked up #75.
2007-06-25 19:37:11
185.   underdog
181 Hey, some of us are in San Francisco, and would prefer no quake tonight, thanks! ;-)
2007-06-25 19:37:14
186.   kadycee
once again--so fun.
2007-06-25 19:37:31
187.   Indiana Jon
I asked last night but didn't get a reply. Does anyone know what days Kershaw will start in the next couple of series? I will be in Ft. Wayne the next 3 days where the Loons started a 4 game series tonight. I also may be able to get over to Dayton next week if he will pitch there.
2007-06-25 19:37:59
188.   NorCal-Dodger
Strange times, when we have to start rooting for the Gnats...
2007-06-25 19:38:14
189.   kadycee
185. oops! sorry!
2007-06-25 19:39:50
190.   JoeyP
I remember quite a bit of fuss when the McCourts fired Derrick Hall, whom the Dbax announcers are interviewing right now.
2007-06-25 19:40:27
191.   underdog
Darn, I thought that one was going out for a second.
2007-06-25 19:40:31
192.   Sam DC
150: Alan Schwarz says: "Teams that fail to sign a first-round pick no longer receive an extra pick after the first round as compensation, but instead a virtually identical pick the following year; for example, a team that fails to sign the No. 5 pick one year will receive the No. 6 pick the next, rather than one in the 30s or 40s. The same compensation also now exists for unsigned second-round picks, while a team that fails to sign a third-round pick will receive a sandwich pick between the third and fourth rounds."

2007-06-25 19:40:35
193.   Andrew Shimmin
187- Thursday should be his normal day to start, and since he missed the start before his last start, I don't know of a reason to guess he won't make the Thursday start. But I don't really know.
2007-06-25 19:42:42
194.   Bob Timmermann
Derrick Hall quit, he wasn't fired. He didn't want to work for the McCourts and he went to school at ASU.

His departure was I believe Indictment #47 in Bill Plaschke's case before the grand jury to have McCourt run out of town on a rail.

I've checked with Sam DC and apparently you can legally get someone run out of town on a rail now.

2007-06-25 19:43:28
195.   underdog
Ugh, Gonzo's not having his best night so far.

189 Hee, no worries.

All I know is Derrick Hall was boring me to tears.

2007-06-25 19:43:49
196.   Bob Timmermann
The DBacks announcers have Herman Miller chairs.
2007-06-25 19:44:50
197.   Sam DC
Depends how wide the rail is.
2007-06-25 19:45:47
198.   underdog
Wait, Bob, why are you watching the DBacks announcers (on MLBTV I presume)? Aren't you in LA, within range of Vin? Are you just watching for the moment in the 8th inning when Broxton comes in?
2007-06-25 19:46:17
199.   Bob Timmermann
I will check my copy of the Berman-McCain Rail Running Out of Town Act, P.L. 107-84.
2007-06-25 19:46:34
200.   El Lay Dave
194 I remember quite a bit of fuss when people tried to get that rail in L.A.
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2007-06-25 19:46:41
201.   Bluebleeder87
Derrick Hall quit, he wasn't fired. He didn't want to work for the McCourts and he went to school at ASU.

same is the case with Reggie Smith, but he didn't wanna work for NewsCorp the evil of all evils. the reason i mentioned him is because someone advocated getting him as a hitting coach.

2007-06-25 19:46:52
202.   Paul B
Did I hear correctly: the D-backs have the roof open and the air conditioning on? I can understand the desire to be comfy and out-of-doors...but that seems a bit profligate.
2007-06-25 19:46:52
203.   Bob Timmermann
They showed Mark Grace as he was the answer to the AFLAC question.
2007-06-25 19:47:50
204.   Andrew Shimmin
192- Thanks.
2007-06-25 19:48:36
205.   Bob Timmermann
I believe the theory is that the hot air rises out of the stadium, while the cooler air of the A/C sinks down to the seats. If the roof is closed, the A/C doesn't get the benefit of the downdrafts.
2007-06-25 19:49:24
206.   Indiana Jon

Thanks Andrew. I was thinking the same thing, but after the long layoff before I just wondered if anyone was sure on that. If he does start Thursday, he should also start on July 3rd at Dayton. If that holds true, I may be able to see him twice.

2007-06-25 19:49:51
207.   Greg Brock
202 They have the air on and the roof closed, but the air warms anyway. When they open the roof and shut off the AC, hot air rises, and cool air comes in...Sort of natural air conditioning.

It may also have something to do with the tides. Not sure.

2007-06-25 19:49:53
208.   underdog
203 Ahh.


Ahhhhh.... crap.

I guess the hot air was rising on that ball. Lucky that didn't get out of here.

2007-06-25 19:50:14
209.   El Lay Dave
196 If Mark Grace was as old-school as he wants us to believe, he'd announce the games standing up.
2007-06-25 19:50:47
210.   Bob Timmermann
What tides? Phoenix is in the middle of a desert?
2007-06-25 19:51:42
211.   Greg Brock
210 These are the jokes, folks.

Hello? Check, check. Microphone check.

2007-06-25 19:51:43
212.   Telemachos
310 I was misinformed.
2007-06-25 19:51:58
213.   Andrew Shimmin
206- Skipping a start is somebody's theory of how to keep young pitchers from tearing up their arms. Seems like it's Conte's idea, but I don't really remember. It's been reported that the off time was not because of an injury.
2007-06-25 19:52:12
214.   El Lay Dave
In this game, Chris Young should have learned why he should not be trying to bunt for hits.
2007-06-25 19:53:14
215.   Bob Timmermann
Telemachos had the right answer.

I put that one up on a tee for you, Brock. On a tee!

2007-06-25 19:54:15
216.   El Lay Dave
215 Take it easy on Mr. Brock; he's in his off-season.
2007-06-25 19:54:40
217.   underdog
What's the record for bats shattering in consecutive at bats?
2007-06-25 19:56:09
218.   Bob Timmermann
If Greg Brock can't keep up with the pop culture references, just what do we have left to live for in this world?
2007-06-25 19:57:02
219.   underdog
Re: the Dodgers' offense tonight, to paraphrase the Borg from Star Trek, "Futility is resistant."
2007-06-25 19:57:41
220.   El Lay Dave
8-pitch inning, Owings at 72 through 5; at this rate, he can go seven innings in about 102 pitches.
2007-06-25 19:57:44
221.   Bluebleeder87
wow, this D-Back pitcher is fooling the Dodger hitters impressively
2007-06-25 19:58:31
222.   StolenMonkey86
221 - last time he hurt his leg against LA. I don't think he's gonna do that one again
2007-06-25 19:59:34
223.   underdog
Well, at least Furcal's arm still works.
2007-06-25 19:59:46
224.   jtrichey
Tell me why would a guy like John Lackey, one of the best pitchers in the AL, agree to do a kiss Derek Jeter's hiney commercial, in which he (Lackey) gets called a schmendrick. Carries on the myth that Jeter is God and nobody even knows who Lackey is. If I'm Lackey, I tell Winston Wolfe where to stick it.

To make matters worse, Jeter has stolen 7 this year and been caught 7 times.

2007-06-25 20:00:10
225.   Greg Brock
218 When I miss a pop-culture reference, I cry a little bit inside.

And the Googles, they do nothing.

2007-06-25 20:00:21
226.   trainwreck
I hope Little learns to stop putting out these inferior lineups.
2007-06-25 20:01:22
227.   Bob Timmermann
I would assume Mr. Lackey received a check with a bunch of zeroes in it.

Remember the video game commercial that featured the real Brad Radke and showed him giving up a lot of home runs just as he would in the video game?

2007-06-25 20:03:14
228.   jtrichey
227 How much do you really think they could have paid to an unidentified guy in that commercial? 3 zeroes tops? I don't think it would be worth it to a man like Lackey who makes a decent wage.
2007-06-25 20:03:25
229.   Greg Brock
When long snapper Ethan Albright was the lowest player rated in Madden Football, somebody wrote a fictional letter to John Madden from Albright.

It's one of the funniest things I've read in years, but I can't link it. There are swears. Lots and lots of swears.

2007-06-25 20:03:40
230.   Bluebleeder87
Brad Penny taking matters into his own hance, NICE.
2007-06-25 20:03:43
231.   Andrew Shimmin
Byrnes would have gotten him if he'd done the somersault throw.
2007-06-25 20:03:57
232.   JoeyP
Penny has to do it all for this team.
2007-06-25 20:04:27
233.   kadycee
a Penny for your thoughts, Arizona.
2007-06-25 20:05:24
234.   Jon Weisman
Bad defense by Arizona - no one covering third.
2007-06-25 20:05:28
235.   Greg Brock
The swunt cannot be stopped.
2007-06-25 20:06:28
236.   Jon Weisman
I do hope the Dodgers realize Penny is slow before they do this squeeze.
2007-06-25 20:06:47
237.   kadycee
Yay! Pierre is up!
2007-06-25 20:06:54
238.   Bob Timmermann
Penny has a ways to go to match Don Newcombe's record 9 doubles in a season for a Dodger pitcher. Andy Messersmith had 8 in 1974 for the L.A. record, including a major league record three in one game.
2007-06-25 20:07:19
239.   Andrew Shimmin
Penny's pretending to steal home is a hoot.
2007-06-25 20:08:01
240.   Gen3Blue
I hate to say it ,but that unplayable dink off Furcs. bat says it all for this years offence. There is no threat from Fucal or Nomar, implied or otherwise. That kills us as effectively as anything else.
2007-06-25 20:08:58
241.   Jon Weisman
Matt White is going to Japan, writes Ken Gurnick.
2007-06-25 20:09:30
242.   Shotupthemiddle
I think Wolf hit two doubles in a game earlier this year. I vaguely remember being there....

So we need Penny to pitch a complete game. For his pitching and his bat.

2007-06-25 20:10:00
243.   Gen3Blue
Man on third,nobody out, do we feel good----no.
2007-06-25 20:10:39
244.   El Lay Dave
241 Maybe there's a big schist market in Osaka?
2007-06-25 20:10:54
245.   Jon Weisman
That should be E-6.
2007-06-25 20:10:56
246.   Andrew Shimmin
Ch-i bless you Stephen Drew.
2007-06-25 20:11:33
247.   Bob Timmermann
I would mention that a Japanese Baseball site, but those Mitch Jones fans are still after me.
2007-06-25 20:11:38
248.   El Lay Dave
243 I'm hopeful, but why is my internet frozen at 1-2 on Pierre?
2007-06-25 20:11:40
249.   kadycee
2007-06-25 20:11:46
250.   JoeyP
That was a DP ball.
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2007-06-25 20:12:04
251.   Andrew Shimmin
243- There is nothing like a dame/Nothing in the world. . .
2007-06-25 20:12:31
252.   underdog
Pierre lined a ball up the middle that Drew booted and then Hudson booted. It was a regular Boot Hill there. Thankyouverymuch. 1-1.
2007-06-25 20:12:42
253.   El Lay Dave
Ah, a break.
2007-06-25 20:12:52
254.   Gen3Blue
Well, they wouldn't allow us to fail, as hard as we tried. This could be an inflection point. Or maybe not!

Vin seems to feel Loney should be at first, as far as I can read.

2007-06-25 20:12:53
255.   JoeyP
So we have a Pitcher getting a double.
A dribbler between the pitcher and 3b.
And an error on a double play ball.

So, that really does sum up the Dodger offense this year.

2007-06-25 20:13:19
256.   El Lay Dave
252 Nice.
2007-06-25 20:13:22
257.   Bluebleeder87
the long walk of shame for Nomar.
2007-06-25 20:13:52
258.   JoeyP
2-0, right down the middle, and Nomar pops it up.
2007-06-25 20:13:53
259.   Gen3Blue
Poor Nomar, he always looks like my dog with its tail between its legs lately.
2007-06-25 20:14:12
260.   underdog
Well, all the DBax announcers' talk of Nomar's RISP average this year, leading the league, and yadda yadda, served to jinx the heck out of that at bat.
2007-06-25 20:14:50
261.   El Lay Dave
255 Sometimes the hard-hit balls turn into DPs, sometimes the easy DP balls are booted. It's sort of a yin-yang thing.
2007-06-25 20:15:47
262.   MMSMikey
that veteran presence in the middle of the lineup...
2007-06-25 20:15:58
263.   underdog
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Chris Young's arm, and then Wan Pierre's arm. I rest my case.
2007-06-25 20:16:02
264.   bluedog
Hey Grady how about a double steal you twit!
2007-06-25 20:16:52
265.   bhsportsguy
Hello there:

Sounded like Kent let out a yell thinking he just missed his pitch.

2007-06-25 20:16:54
266.   Jon Weisman
264 - Ease off the name-calling, Bluedog.
2007-06-25 20:18:08
267.   natepurcell
Gonzo passes Mark Grace on the all time hit list!
2007-06-25 20:18:08
268.   MMSMikey
2007-06-25 20:18:23
269.   Bluebleeder87
Gonzalez is really having him self a fine season, good for him.
2007-06-25 20:18:28
270.   bluedog
Sorry about the name calling.Wont happen again.
2007-06-25 20:18:33
271.   Greg Brock
Gonzo ups his PVL, while Nomar and Kent do not.

Gonzo's Proven Veteran Leadership is off the charts this year.

2007-06-25 20:19:01
272.   bhsportsguy
At least one veteran comes through lately.
2007-06-25 20:19:04
273.   NorCal-Dodger
2007-06-25 20:19:10
274.   JoeyP
265--Maybe thats where Russell has picked up his habit from.

Gonzo with a Nomar!

2007-06-25 20:20:06
275.   underdog
Yay, Gonzo!

Passing Mark Grace on the all-time hit list, at #97.

Quentin's throw was not quite as impressive as Young's. He almost hit the lip of the infield dirt taking his arm with him.

2007-06-25 20:20:39
276.   Bob Timmermann
The Rockies have put up a 6 in the 9th to take a 9-8 lead over the Cubs. The last three scored on a homer by Tulowitzki.

The Cubs haven't gotten anyone out in the 9th.

2007-06-25 20:21:14
277.   El Lay Dave
262 ... comes through. At least 1 out of 3 did.
2007-06-25 20:21:52
278.   underdog
Woof, Bluedog. Maybe you just need to be taken out for walkies before the next inning. ;-)
2007-06-25 20:22:10
279.   Rob M
Hate to abuse the dead horse in the room, but the batting order has become so anomalous. Why not drop Nomar back until he heats up? That said, Gonzo is the pleasant surprise that just keeps giving.
2007-06-25 20:22:29
280.   Rob M
Hate to abuse the dead horse in the room, but the batting order has become so anomalous. Why not drop Nomar back until he heats up? That said, Gonzo is the pleasant surprise that just keeps giving.
2007-06-25 20:22:34
281.   overkill94
2007-06-25 20:22:35
282.   MMSMikey
2007-06-25 20:22:38
283.   natepurcell
booyah! backstopppp bacon!
2007-06-25 20:22:39
284.   Greg Brock
Russell Martin. What a guy!

Golden. God.

2007-06-25 20:22:41
285.   Jon Weisman
Gosh, I didn't even think Martin got all of that ball. Wow.
2007-06-25 20:22:48
286.   Rob M
Hate to abuse the dead horse in the room, but the batting order has become so anomalous. Why not drop Nomar back until he heats up? That said, Gonzo is the pleasant surprise that just keeps giving.
2007-06-25 20:22:51
287.   bluedog
Yeah Russell!
2007-06-25 20:22:52
288.   FirstMohican
I'll take that!
2007-06-25 20:23:25
289.   underdog
Huzzah! All hail the mighty Martin!
2007-06-25 20:23:26
290.   JoeyP
Martin might have won the game with that hit. Good job.

That Drew error really hurt the Dbax.

2007-06-25 20:23:41
291.   kadycee
Russell Martin Superstar
2007-06-25 20:23:48
292.   Gen3Blue
Oh bless you Russ. Pitch counters would say they gave this guy just a little too much rope.
2007-06-25 20:24:30
293.   El Lay Dave
Cue the mancrush as Martin sticks a fork into Owings.

A Golden God beats Mica(h) anytime.

2007-06-25 20:24:52
294.   underdog
Rob, I think that dead horse is now glue on some elementary school desk ;-) but yes, I agree.
2007-06-25 20:24:57
295.   Bluebleeder87
Russell just gave platonic goose bumps.
2007-06-25 20:24:59
296.   Rob M
Sorry for the 3X post - blackberry posting is tough.
2007-06-25 20:25:07
297.   Bob Timmermann
The Dodger catcher record for triples is likely unassailable. It's 9 by John Roseboro in 1958. He hit four at the Coliseum, which probably wasn't that hard for a lefty and 2 at Forbes Field, the best triples park ever.
2007-06-25 20:25:39
298.   Hallux Valgus
290 Joe Morgan and I choose to not consider that an error. Instead, we give credit to Juan's Intangibles. Drew was in position for th play, but an Intangible shined a light in his eye.
Intangibles 1, Drew 0.
2007-06-25 20:26:00
299.   StolenMonkey86
Brad Penny's OPS: .621
Juan Pierre's OPS: .632
2007-06-25 20:26:22
300.   El Lay Dave
292 98 pitches; it's a fine line. Plus he had to get an extra out (or two, but you can't assume that one.)
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2007-06-25 20:27:01
301.   LogikReader
Yea Russell! It's woo time at the apollo, baby!
2007-06-25 20:27:09
302.   overkill94
I thought I saw Kent come up a little lame earlier in the game, are we sure shifting Abreu over was purely a defensive maneuver?
2007-06-25 20:27:31
303.   JoeyP
i cant remember the last time a team won as many of one pitcher's starts as the Dodgers have of Penny's.

Dodgers could be 14-2 in Brad Penny starts this year if they hold on.

2007-06-25 20:27:35
304.   Bob Timmermann
"Platonic goose bumps" conjures up a lot of other images too, but they are best left unsaid.
2007-06-25 20:27:43
305.   NorCal-Dodger
Martin has a starting assignement at Phone Park Stadium...Jul 10th!
2007-06-25 20:28:18
306.   old dodger fan
26 pitches in the inning. Brad needs to make quick work of them and send a very tired pitcher right back out there.
2007-06-25 20:28:22
307.   Gen3Blue
Furc and Nomar I admire but they have looked so spent lately. And I'm afraid Kent may be getting there (I hope I am wrong in this case, because he is really trying to keep in shape, and is still doing OK).
2007-06-25 20:28:22
308.   El Lay Dave
302 Wondering the same thing. Seems a little early for the defensive cavalry.
2007-06-25 20:29:30
309.   Bluebleeder87
but seriously Owens had Russell fooled with his nasty 2 seamer why would there back stop ask for a curve?? good for us, to bad for the D-Rays.
2007-06-25 20:29:44
310.   Gen3Blue
Penny is having a good night for pitch count. I hope this indicates a bit of a change from last year.
2007-06-25 20:30:24
311.   El Lay Dave
307 Furcal acknowledges his ankle is not 100%.
2007-06-25 20:31:04
312.   Bluebleeder87

err, that should be D-Backs.

2007-06-25 20:33:22
313.   El Lay Dave
well, strike 3, instead of ball 4, to Tracy would have made for a sweet inning. ah well.
2007-06-25 20:34:20
314.   Hallux Valgus
I don't even think we should count Penny's pitches. Just check his hat. When it's sweated through, it's time for the pen. Penny's hat is like my toothbrush. It tells you when it's done.
2007-06-25 20:36:01
315.   Bob Timmermann
In 2000-01, the Mariners won 19 straight games that Aaron Sele started. Later in 2001, the Yankees won 20 straight starts by Clemens.
2007-06-25 20:36:05
316.   NorCal-Dodger
302, 308...speaking of defensive sub..howabout Loney for Nomar after this at bat?
2007-06-25 20:36:48
317.   Greg Brock
I remember when Juan Cruz was supposed to be a future Cy Young contender.
2007-06-25 20:36:52
318.   bigcpa
I'd expect to see Kemp in there tomorrow after a quiet night from Ethier.
2007-06-25 20:36:52
319.   Hallux Valgus
how about Loney for Nomar before this at bat?
2007-06-25 20:37:32
320.   natepurcell
abreu just swung at a ball that hit him. come on tony.
2007-06-25 20:38:07
321.   fanerman
And how long does Penny have left tonight?
2007-06-25 20:38:15
322.   Andrew Shimmin
Didn't look like he fouled it off; looked like he swung at a ball that hit him.
2007-06-25 20:38:16
323.   El Lay Dave
316 The word "defensive" is unnecessarily limiting.
2007-06-25 20:38:32
324.   Greg Brock
Abreu is a buffoon with the bat sometimes.

Stop swinging at pitches that will hit you! Just stop swinging so much, period!

2007-06-25 20:38:44
325.   NorCal-Dodger
I would say yes, and and have Loney PH for Penny, but Penny is going pretty storng right now..lonwg week, might need to save the bullpen if Penny can't keep it going
2007-06-25 20:39:02
326.   El Lay Dave
320 322 Did he really? That should make SportCenter.
2007-06-25 20:39:38
327.   Hallux Valgus
321 Well, there's a little on the bill, and a little spot in the back. Me and the hat think he's got about another inning in him, tops.
2007-06-25 20:40:08
328.   Nagman
The replay looked like Abreu did get a piece of it, but only before it would've hit him.

Grady is chewing pretty hard on something, that's a new look for him, isn't it?

2007-06-25 20:40:20
329.   El Lay Dave
325 Penny has only made 79 pitches. He's going at least one more inning.
2007-06-25 20:40:47
330.   natepurcell
replayed showed that he did foul it off his ribcage. It was close to buffoonery but not quite there.
2007-06-25 20:42:00
331.   Bob Timmermann
The longest stretch of starts won by an L.A. Dodger pitcher is 12 by Messrs. Koufax, Drysdale, and Hooton.
2007-06-25 20:42:02
332.   Gen3Blue
311 I know this, and I don't fault him personally, but the result is hard to take after he was so good last year.

Whatever happens tonight, or this year for that matter, I can't express how much I enjoy watching Russell Martin play. Whether he just enjoys the game, or loves to win, or hates to lose, he seems like an old time ball player who brings every inch of his body to play every day.

2007-06-25 20:43:26
333.   Bob Timmermann
Soriano bailed out the Cubs with a 2-run single in the 9th after Matsui made an error with 2 outs. Cubs win 10-9.
2007-06-25 20:44:00
334.   NorCal-Dodger
Wow Cubs came back! With 2 in the bottom of 9th..Soriano comes through with bases jack.
2007-06-25 20:44:02
335.   El Lay Dave
Sometimes I leave an inch or two of my body at home before I go to work; I just don't have that old-time ethic.
2007-06-25 20:44:27
336.   JoeyP
I guess I do vaguely remember that Roger Clemens streak.

Aaron Sele--no idea.
19 straight winning games in games that Sele started. Wow.

2007-06-25 20:45:57
337.   Bob Timmermann
As a Mets said about Mike Maroth today and this could apply to Aaron Sele, "His best pitch is his offense."

The 2001 Mariners did win 116 games.

2007-06-25 20:46:33
338.   Greg Brock
332 Martin is an absolute treat. Well said.
2007-06-25 20:46:39
339.   Gen3Blue
Penny could do 2 more innings if things go well for him.
2007-06-25 20:46:44
340.   kadycee
332. I totally agree. We're lucky to have him.
2007-06-25 20:46:45
341.   old dodger fan
I find myself rooting for the Giants tonight. It's kinda wierd.
2007-06-25 20:47:11
342.   Andrew Shimmin
335- Well, I guess somebody won't ever be an inspirational Plaschke column.
2007-06-25 20:49:22
343.   JoeyP
2Hrs allowed in nearly 105 innings for Penny this year. ERA at 2.07
2007-06-25 20:50:31
344.   Bob Timmermann
Maybe one day, Plaschke will find out that he lost his job because Frank McCourt forgot to send in some paperwork for him. That would make Plaschke happy.

Or maybe El Lay Dave will lose his job because a selfish pro athlete hits his Prius and doesn't leave a note. (There are other witnesses who will tell Plaschke of this.)

2007-06-25 20:50:38
345.   Dodgers49
It'll be Peavy vs Penny on Saturday with the winner to start the All Star Game.
2007-06-25 20:50:43
346.   NorCal-Dodger
Strange times indeed, I'm keeping an eye on the Gnats - Pods game, can't help but to be pleased with the score right now. Hopefully Penny can get a Bills is up tomorrow night.
2007-06-25 20:51:23
347.   old dodger fan
Gameday says it's 103 degrees. Is that the city temp or is it that hot on the field?
2007-06-25 20:51:49
348.   Bob Timmermann
The Giants-Padres game is on HD, unlike the Dodgers game.
2007-06-25 20:52:19
349.   Greg Brock
"That's gonna be an out"

Sigh. Yes, Vin. Yes it is.

2007-06-25 20:52:26
350.   NorCal-Dodger
Guess that's Nomar's last at bat for tonight. Loney in for D?
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2007-06-25 20:52:34
351.   Bob Timmermann
I'll be there Saturday. That game will probably end up 10-9.
2007-06-25 20:53:16
352.   Greg Brock
2007-06-25 20:53:32
353.   Bluebleeder87
i'd close the book on Penny & give the ball to Brox then Saito.
2007-06-25 20:53:33
354.   natepurcell
that was a boom.
2007-06-25 20:53:38
355.   Eric Stephen
A Betemit HR! Maybe Nomar can take some ground balls at SS.
2007-06-25 20:53:42
356.   old dodger fan
2007-06-25 20:53:52
357.   underdog
Yeah, I have a new nickname idea for Wan Pierre:

Otto Maticoutt.

2007-06-25 20:53:53
358.   JoeyP
Betemit with a homer batting right handed.
2007-06-25 20:54:08
359.   kadycee
you could tell that was gone
2007-06-25 20:54:10
360.   El Lay Dave
344 Y'know, I do work in El Segundo, so there are some selfish pro athletes that do practice and train nearby....

(And for the record, I, too, agree with the sentiment in 332 )

2007-06-25 20:54:14
361.   Rob M
His power looks as easy from the right as it does from the left.
2007-06-25 20:55:07
362.   Eric Stephen
I'd let Penny go one more inning or until he gives up a baserunner, whichever comes first.
2007-06-25 20:55:14
363.   Greg Brock
357 He's beyond "The Player" now. He's Fredo.
2007-06-25 20:55:17
364.   underdog
Wilson, showcasing himself for other teams...

A third of his hits are home runs, wowsa.

2007-06-25 20:55:21
365.   NorCal-Dodger
Keep Penny in...he's only 92 pitches..go for the CG
2007-06-25 20:56:12
366.   JoeyP
Broxton hasnt pitched since last thursday, so he might get the call in the 9th.
2007-06-25 20:56:38
367.   overkill94
357 Brilliant
2007-06-25 20:56:47
368.   Bluebleeder87

i don't know i just wanna play it safe with him, we all know what happened last year.

2007-06-25 20:56:49
369.   underdog
363 I think he does indeed inspire more nicknames than hits.
2007-06-25 20:56:54
370.   Bob Timmermann
"El Lay Dave was having a nice day in El Segundo.

Then Andrew Bynum decided he didn't like hybrid vehicles.

Now El Lay Dave has to take the Green Line everywhere."

2007-06-25 20:56:55
371.   old dodger fan
Tonight we have 5 runs on 7 hits and a walk. Very unlike last night.
2007-06-25 20:57:43
372.   Bluebleeder87

but it looks like Grady went with your form of thought tonight.

2007-06-25 20:58:07
373.   Andrew Shimmin
"Your search - Otto Maticoutt - did not match any documents."
2007-06-25 20:58:32
374.   El Lay Dave
Is is still "BOOM goes the Betemit" for the right-handed ones? Are they "MOOB" instead?
2007-06-25 20:59:07
375.   overkill94
Don't blink during Thursday's game, it might be over by the time you open your eyes
2007-06-25 20:59:20
376.   underdog
© 2007 underdog.
2007-06-25 20:59:27
377.   Bob Timmermann
In 1963, Sandy Koufax started 40 games.

The Dodgers were 34-6 in those games.

2007-06-25 21:00:57
378.   underdog
374 I think I need a little bit of drums
I need just a little bit of mandolin

People in the room doing Boom like it's never been done.

2007-06-25 21:01:14
379.   FirstMohican
Penny has a nice K zone tonight for sure.
2007-06-25 21:01:53
380.   overkill94
I assume Loney will be in to pinch-hit for Penny if his spot comes up, but if it doesn't will they let him finish it out?
2007-06-25 21:02:20
381.   old dodger fan
{377} For us old guys those were the glory days.
2007-06-25 21:02:25
382.   natepurcell
i normally dont do this but i found this post quite hilarious. its from the board and I'm not quite sure if its facetious or not.

who died and made russell one of the most valuble players of this ballclub Iam tired of hearing his name over and over again yeah the kid has had a great season,but does the kid deserve what he is getting. I believe we are making this kid out to be a monster we should be focusing on our veteran players, players that have been there before not some kid that wishing for his big moment I think were letting our emotions get the best of us. I dont know who should be more embarrassed the fans or the veterans on the team. the kid needs time to grow, we should be focused on winning more ballgames then admitting our boy to the all star game!


2007-06-25 21:02:31
383.   underdog
Do you leave Penny in to try to get the CG? Might as well try to spare your bullpen if you can, methinks.
2007-06-25 21:02:32
384.   El Lay Dave
370 Bynum could probably wreak havoc on a Prius, if he were motivated.

Public transportation between El Segundo and the NW SF Valley is not that friendly, although the LADOT Commuter Express bus is ok. I have used it occasionally, in a pinch.

2007-06-25 21:03:22
385.   Greg Brock
Great job, Penny.
2007-06-25 21:03:31
386.   StolenMonkey86
if they bat around, we can see Kemp
2007-06-25 21:05:06
387.   Greg Brock
382 That board, like ItD, is an abyss.
2007-06-25 21:05:09
388.   El Lay Dave
380 383 Depends how you feel about 104 pitches and Penny being rested enough for San Diego.

With at least a four run lead, do you risk a non-stopper to finish out? Hendrickson!?

2007-06-25 21:05:32
389.   overkill94
382 Somebody tell that PR department to stop running campaigns and start throwing some batting practice!
2007-06-25 21:07:03
390.   Andrew Shimmin
Wait, is Otto Maticoutt a soccer thing?
2007-06-25 21:07:16
391.   overkill94
No wonder the Angels are doing so well, their first six hitters in the line-up are all over .300 (tonight's line-up at least)
2007-06-25 21:07:19
392.   Bob Timmermann
In 1985, the Dodgers were 19-4 when Bob Welch started.
2007-06-25 21:07:50
393.   overkill94
390 Someone needs to watch more Simpsons
2007-06-25 21:08:41
394.   Gen3Blue
377 I don't want to put you through this again, but I'll just accept that '63 or '64 was the year I saw Sandy strike out 13 Mets as a kid.(Me the kid, that is). No need to confirm.
2007-06-25 21:09:42
395.   El Lay Dave
Loney, start loosening up.
2007-06-25 21:09:43
396.   Andrew Shimmin
Isn't Otto's last name Mann?
2007-06-25 21:10:28
397.   old dodger fan
394 I went to Cooperstown last week for the first time. Koufax's plaque was a highlight.
2007-06-25 21:10:40
398.   El Lay Dave
2-0 to Abreu?! Kinda rare.
2007-06-25 21:11:17
399.   Hallux Valgus
396 yes
2007-06-25 21:11:27
400.   natepurcell
abreu resisted every urge in his body to swing at that. baby steps, baby steps.
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2007-06-25 21:11:30
401.   overkill94
396 I'm talking more about Bart's phone calls to Moe's
2007-06-25 21:11:40
402.   Eric Stephen
Wow, Abreu got bailed out on that call. He looked awful though on his "check swing".
2007-06-25 21:12:32
403.   Marty
And we complain about Kemp not being able to lay off a breaking pitch. Abreu is just a sucker for an inside curve.
2007-06-25 21:12:40
404.   StolenMonkey86
yay, he walked!
2007-06-25 21:12:43
405.   Andrew Shimmin
401- Check. I'm slow.
2007-06-25 21:12:50
406.   Bluebleeder87
Vinnie just said Kent is day to day after fouling a ball off of his foot, i wonder who gets the starting gig in his absence??
2007-06-25 21:12:51
407.   NorCal-Dodger
Let Penny sac.
2007-06-25 21:12:52
408.   Greg Brock
Tony Abreu does that Oakland thing.

Wow. I'd have bet even money he swings at the pitch at his eyes.

2007-06-25 21:12:57
409.   Hallux Valgus
400 That's pretty much every time he doesn't swing.
2007-06-25 21:13:13
410.   bluedog
2007-06-25 21:13:20
411.   StolenMonkey86
Kent had an injured foot, says gameday
2007-06-25 21:13:35
412.   Bob Timmermann
July 12, 1963. Koufax struck out 13 Mets as the Dodgers won 6-0 at the Polo Grounds. One walk, three hits.

Game score of 92.

2007-06-25 21:13:49
413.   overkill94
Who says Loney doesn't have power?
2007-06-25 21:13:53
414.   Bluebleeder87
dear mother of god! LONEY!!
2007-06-25 21:13:58
415.   natepurcell
oh my god, please dont let james loney be an illusion!
2007-06-25 21:13:59
416.   Greg Brock
You're fired, Nomar.

James Loney will not be denied. You will not deny James Loney.

2007-06-25 21:14:00
417.   El Lay Dave
406 You'd think Abreu.
2007-06-25 21:14:14
418.   MMSMikey
who said loney had no pop?
2007-06-25 21:14:22
419.   Eric Stephen
Is there a place for Nomar to take grounders during tomorrow's game since Loney will be playing 1B?
2007-06-25 21:14:26
420.   Andrew Shimmin
I could get used to watching Loney hit.
2007-06-25 21:14:50
421.   kadycee
Gee, I kind of like this kid.
2007-06-25 21:15:00
422.   Bob Timmermann
Padres have 2nd and 3rd with none out in the 8th after Kline relieved Lincecum.
2007-06-25 21:15:08
423.   JoeyP
Just another triple for Loney


2007-06-25 21:15:11
424.   Gen3Blue
Loney has no power. He will always be a line drive hitter, and only damage rails.
2007-06-25 21:15:25
425.   StolenMonkey86
Loney didn't try to run home on Byrnes?
2007-06-25 21:15:48
426.   Marty
Vin says "Nomar goes to get the 5-finger glove"
2007-06-25 21:15:53
427.   Hallux Valgus
419 I don't know how you take grounders at "bench," but he should figure it out.
2007-06-25 21:15:57
428.   old dodger fan
Can Nomar play 2nd?
2007-06-25 21:16:06
429.   Bluebleeder87

I wouldn't mind watching his D & Bat.

2007-06-25 21:16:08
430.   El Lay Dave
Sweet Baby James Loney!
2007-06-25 21:16:15
431.   Telemachos
My intense man-love for Russell Martin is being threatened by my insane man-love for James Loney.
2007-06-25 21:16:29
432.   Andrew Shimmin
419- They've got to be somewhere near the new Spring Training facility, unless it hasn't been built yet.
2007-06-25 21:17:15
433.   El Lay Dave
Who's going to finish this game, Hendrickson or Tomko?
2007-06-25 21:18:13
434.   Greg Brock
Hey, Nomar, don't touch James Loney.

Nothing gives you that right.

2007-06-25 21:18:14
435.   JoeyP
Whats the record for most triples to begin a career in your first 150 Abs?

Loney has 7 triples in his first 131abs.

2007-06-25 21:18:45
436.   kadycee
chic alors!
2007-06-25 21:18:48
437.   Eric Stephen
433 Nomar?
2007-06-25 21:19:05
438.   natepurcell

just curious Joey, has your tune changed for Loney? Would like to hear your thoughts.

2007-06-25 21:19:40
439.   old dodger fan
I feel sorry for Peguero. It looks like they are going to leave him out there.
2007-06-25 21:19:41
440.   neuroboy002
James Loney March and Chowda Society!

... then Furcal swings at the first pitch. I mean geez.... the pitcher walked two batters before him! How about a little patience. The fans on this site obviously have it. So give back a little, hmmmm?

Pepe Le Pierre took some pitches and magnanimously contributed. Good work for him.

2007-06-25 21:19:48
441.   Bluebleeder87
it makes it that much more frustrating knowing that Nomar is struggling yet he gets the nod at 1st, i'm glad Grady is having a change of hart.
2007-06-25 21:19:54
442.   Rob M
We probably have to go back to the Butler - DeShields era to find such a triplin' dodger team.
2007-06-25 21:20:05
443.   StolenMonkey86
aww, shucks. Kemp doesn't get to bat
2007-06-25 21:21:03
444.   JoeyP
438--Not yet, too small a sample.
2007-06-25 21:21:04
445.   overkill94
The Giants' bullpen sucks
2007-06-25 21:21:26
446.   fanerman
A JP sighting!
2007-06-25 21:21:36
447.   Bob Timmermann
Loney already was the record holder with 6 starting the game.
2007-06-25 21:21:41
448.   JoeyP
Cameron just ruined Lincecum's game!
3-2 padres.
2007-06-25 21:21:55
449.   Dodgers49
By my memory (admittedly not the best :-) ) James Loney has a hit in every game in which he has an AB (nine) including three games where he was a pinch hitter.
2007-06-25 21:22:29
450.   NorCal-Dodger
Even when the Gnats are bad, they still manage to hurt us!
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2007-06-25 21:22:35
451.   Telemachos
Cameron homers in SF.... 3-2 Friars.
2007-06-25 21:23:05
452.   natepurcell
now we just need to get Laroche healthy and up here with all his buddies and everything will be great.
2007-06-25 21:23:20
453.   underdog
"Big ol' chunk of manhood out there!" says Mark Grace.

So, I stepped away for a bit. How'd Kent hurt himself and is he okay?

2007-06-25 21:23:45
454.   Eric Stephen
449 Loney went 0-1 against the Angels last Sunday. And he went 0-1 against the RF wall as well.
2007-06-25 21:23:56
455.   Hallux Valgus
453 fouled a pitch off himself. He's day to day.
2007-06-25 21:24:26
456.   underdog
I guess JP isn't Otto Maticoutt after all. (No, I didn't get that from the Simpsons though it does sound like one of Bart's crank calls.)
2007-06-25 21:24:55
457.   El Lay Dave
Before we're all too quick to sit Nomar down, tomorrow's starter, Edgar Gonzalez, is he who allowed the one Nomar HR.
2007-06-25 21:25:02
458.   Andrew Shimmin
Jeff Heath had seven triples in his first 102 ABs, over two seasons. Probably more in his first 150 ABs, but BB-ref hasn't got the game logs broken down from that era.
2007-06-25 21:25:04
459.   underdog
That was a nice play by our future second baseman.
2007-06-25 21:26:33
460.   JoeyP
Grace just called Broxton a "black rhino"
and that "if he charges you, you should cancel Christmas"
2007-06-25 21:26:55
461.   ryu
The last time Broxton came into the game in this type of situation, it was in San Diego with the Dodgers several runs ahead, and they ended swallowing a bitter defeat.
2007-06-25 21:27:22
462.   underdog
I think Mark Grace may need to be asked to stay at least 300 yards away from Broxton at all times.
2007-06-25 21:27:54
463.   Hallux Valgus
sounds like Grace needs to respect rule 11.
2007-06-25 21:28:25
464.   El Lay Dave
461 Lightning. Striking. Twice. Not happening.
2007-06-25 21:29:01
465.   old dodger fan
461 Not tonight
2007-06-25 21:29:01
466.   Greg Brock
We win!
2007-06-25 21:29:38
467.   Greg Brock
Gracie loves Broxton like George Bluth loves ice cream sandwiches.
2007-06-25 21:29:41
468.   El Lay Dave
Broxton didn't pitch in Tampa/St. Pete, so I guess he needs the work.
2007-06-25 21:30:01
469.   Eric Stephen
Tomorrow is a big game for the Dodgers. From the Dodger Thoughts 2007 prediction thread, here is what I wrote (post #70):

"The Dodgers' 94-68 record in 2007 rested mostly on the shoulders of Rafael Furcal (125 runs scored), All-Star Russell Martin (.290/.374/.440), and a 2002-Angels-esque "no gaping holes" starting rotation.

And I'm glad I was able to see almost all of the games here from San Diego, even though I don't have DirecTV, because MLB and InDemand were able to work out a deal on Saturday, March 31.

Also, don't forget the amazing comeback win in Arizona on June 26. Not quite 4+1, but memorable nonetheless."

I hope they don't fall behind with Billingsley starting, but even if they do fall behind, I have faith they will come back.

2007-06-25 21:30:22
470.   StolenMonkey86
461 - but this was a 7 run lead. That's Baez-proof.
2007-06-25 21:31:43
471.   Bluebleeder87
Penny gave us a well pitched game when we needed it, hopefully the Gints can pull of a come from behind win against the Pads tonight.
2007-06-25 21:31:49
472.   ryu
464 465 Good win, all. Happy to see Broxton succeed in take two (sorta).
2007-06-25 21:32:08
473.   natepurcell

nothing... is Baez proof.

2007-06-25 21:33:32
474.   old dodger fan
Giants have 2 on and 1 out with Bonds in the hole. Can I force myself to root for Bonds?
2007-06-25 21:33:57
475.   underdog
Well, that was a sweet win. Fingers crossed for Billingsley tomorrow. (Belated thanks, to 455 btw. Hope he's okay.)

The Angels are losing at home to the Royals?

The Giants have two on, one out in 8th.

I gotta go do some work. Happy trails, y'all.

2007-06-25 21:35:34
476.   Nagman
I often wish we had signed Dave Roberts instead of JP but then he wouldn't have been able to knock in the tying run tonight!
2007-06-25 21:35:49
477.   Bluebleeder87
It's all tide up in SF with only 1 out & men at 3rd & 1st.
2007-06-25 21:36:39
478.   El Lay Dave
474 If it's still important when he comes up, a single is probably enough. Root for that - no bomb.
2007-06-25 21:37:44
479.   old dodger fan
Runners on 2nd and 3rd. Durham up, Bonds on deck. 3-3
2007-06-25 21:38:20
480.   Telemachos
Good lord, Roberts steals second, leaving first available with Bonds up. What a stupid idea.
2007-06-25 21:38:39
481.   Daniel Zappala
A bad error led to two runs for the Royals, or else the Angels would be in this one.
2007-06-25 21:38:55
482.   bhsportsguy
They'll walk Bonds to pitch to Padres' old friend Ryan Klesko with 2 out and the bases full in a 3-3 game.
2007-06-25 21:39:08
483.   Telemachos
Scratch that, didn't realize he stole when Durham was still batting.
2007-06-25 21:39:09
484.   old dodger fan
Durham makes an out and Bonds gets the IBB to load the bases for Klesko
2007-06-25 21:39:19
485.   Dodgers49
454. That was the game I was worried about. Thanks. Somehow I convinced myself he got a hit before hitting that wall.
2007-06-25 21:40:26
486.   underdog
Klesko chokes. 3-3 going to 9th. Okay, back to work.
2007-06-25 21:40:27
487.   bhsportsguy
And it works out for the Friars.
2007-06-25 21:43:07
488.   El Lay Dave
Are they called the Friars in the rotisserie leagues?
2007-06-25 21:45:18
489.   bhsportsguy
481 As one of the resident Halo fans here (I like the team, sometimes the announcers get on my nerves), but seriously, Garrett's injury has to be a blessing in disguise so far or am I just imagining that their good play coincided with Reggie playing on a regular basis?
2007-06-25 21:46:19
490.   natepurcell
Colletti tells KK that out of any player on the dodgers, the most calls have been for Betemit.


2007-06-25 21:46:52
491.   bojangles
Just had a minute or two to read the intro -among other things, asking why not include Wilson's pinch-hitting when comparing his #'s to Nomar's. In the particular context of contris from 3rd base, Wilson has made almost none, save for the three or four-game stretch, mostly Mets, that had him headed for Cooperstown. His split is amazing, and, at least to this codger, baffling. Not sure I've ever seen anything so extreme. Once again, tonite, he showed his powerful ease as a pinch-hitter; in Tampa, he continued to show he was unfit for regular duty. So, if the discussion is about playing third,
he has refused to be a serious candidate.
As for Nomar at third, point well-taken. I saw a good deal of him that year, and did not flash Brooks Robinson (or even Adrian B.) once...
2007-06-25 21:47:16
492.   Andrew Shimmin
I strongly suspect that Reggie Willits is a witch.
2007-06-25 21:49:09
493.   Bob Timmermann
Does Reggie Willits float?
2007-06-25 21:49:28
494.   bhsportsguy
490 First off, he's contract friendly and second, he can hit homers in a league where affordable power is on short supply. (That's kind of the same answer)
2007-06-25 21:50:57
495.   bhsportsguy
490 Did Kevin Kennedy say something like when I was managing, I had to sit so and so all-star down and move him around for the sake of the ball club.

If he didn't already say that, he will.

2007-06-25 21:52:09
496.   Daniel Zappala
489 I think Garrett's injury has helped in that it has kept him out of the lineup when he wasn't producing. If he was going to be healthy, I think he could hit well and would make a good DH. But he tends to play dinged up and then his numbers go down. Reggie has been incredible and done far more than I expected. Too bad they didn't put him in CF and then acquire a big LF bat.

I think the winning coincides with Reggie, Figgins and Kotchman all getting hot. Kotchman has been a huge boost, and Kendrick is developing nicely. Even Morales is lending a hand. They have a chance to be a great team if all this talent continues to develop. Hopefully the injuries in the starting rotation are just minor.

2007-06-25 21:52:39
497.   Andrew Shimmin
494- Thirdly, they think they can get him for a string of shiny beads.
2007-06-25 21:53:37
498.   Dodgers49
Betemit does his best work when he does not start. I think Grady should have a proxy 3rd baseman whose name he writes in the lineup so Betemit doesn't know that he's starting. Then, just before the first pitch, he taps Betemit on the shoulder and points towards 3rd base.
2007-06-25 21:54:16
499.   StolenMonkey86
493 - He's got a wart.
2007-06-25 21:55:20
500.   Daniel Zappala
Willits has always been known for having a good eye. If a .439 OBP (higher than SLG!) is a sign of a witch, then yes.
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2007-06-25 21:55:41
501.   El Lay Dave
493 That should only be answered in a water tank sitting on a stage with two mini-skirted models and a couple street carnival acts off to the side.

Will he float, will he float?

2007-06-25 21:56:14
502.   Bumsrap
490 - The teams that are calling are probably teams needing a third baseman just like the Dodgers were needing until recently.
2007-06-25 22:00:19
503.   Bumsrap
Did anybody notice Abreu doing a pretty good job of not swing at bad pitches.

Now if Kemp would start finding time in CF.

2007-06-25 22:00:56
504.   El Lay Dave
502 In 132 I try to be optomistic about Nomar as a third baseman, but it is no certainty how well he'll play the position. It could work out, it could be a horror show of rangeless butchering and scatterarmed throws. I'm hoping for adequecy.
2007-06-25 22:01:48
505.   Greg Brock
503 Except for the curveball that would have hit him in the hip. and the ball at his ankles that he should have been rung up on (check swing).

Abreu is going to have to hit a ton to keep a decent OBP.

2007-06-25 22:01:52
506.   Bumsrap
What is the opposite of that for Wolf?
2007-06-25 22:02:39
507.   El Lay Dave
503 There was some discussion of that in his last (?) PA, but there was also discussion of some ridiculous swings in earlier appearances, including one he barely fouled into his chest, that appeared would have hit him. Obviously he's getting OTJ training.
2007-06-25 22:02:52
508.   Jon Weisman
491 -

1) Betemit homered as a third baseman tonight, not as a pinch-hitter.

2) You keep making out my support for Betemit to be bigger than it is. I have gone out of my way to say that I don't think of him as an All-Star. I think of him as the best option the Dodgers currently have a third base, save for perhaps Nomar, although even there I'm not convinced Betemit isn't better.

3) Why does the Tampa Bay series count but the Mets series doesn't count?

2007-06-25 22:03:36
509.   Bumsrap
505 He walked didn't he and besides those were only two pitches out of let me guess 20.
2007-06-25 22:04:24
510.   El Lay Dave
506 Wolf need to warm up for the game like a boxer underneath the stands. Let a few loose, break a sweat before he takes the field.

Of course he'll have nothing after five innings, but....

2007-06-25 22:05:36
511.   Greg Brock
509 He did walk. That last at bat was very good.
2007-06-25 22:06:21
512.   Marty
Abreu swung at at least three horrible pitches tonight.
2007-06-25 22:07:17
513.   Bumsrap
510 - Maybe he could hang with Pierre sitting in the dugout 4 hours before the game, walk the foul lines, sniff the chalk lines, etc.
2007-06-25 22:08:04
514.   Bumsrap
512 - So he is already cutting down from 10 to three
2007-06-25 22:09:19
515.   Marty
Abreu needs to realize he's already off the island.
2007-06-25 22:09:38
516.   El Lay Dave
Tonight I'm happy:

- 8 fine innings from Penny, resting the bullpen.
- 8 runs, 9 hits, 2 triples, 4 LOB
- Another ball leaping off the bat of Loney and the promise of significantly increased playing time for him
- Luis Gonzalez still proving me wrong

I'll worry about Abreu's undisciplined youth, Kent's bound to be nagging injury, and Nomar's third baseman's glove tomorrow.

2007-06-25 22:10:41
517.   Andrew Shimmin
Willits's 2007 line: .343/.439/.409
Willits's BABIP fx(LD%) adjusted line: .278/.379/.343
2007-06-25 22:10:52
518.   El Lay Dave
516 I forgot:

- Russell Martin
- a right-handed HR from Boom-Boom Betemit

2007-06-25 22:11:42
519.   Bumsrap
I would imagine he has about 24 teammates and 6 coaches telling him that. Hopefully he can get his subconscious to work with his conscious and stop swing at those bad pitches.
2007-06-25 22:13:41
520.   Bumsrap
Well 23 teammates, Kent might not be commenting yet.
2007-06-25 22:23:05
521.   Louis in SF
With Ramon Martinez soon to be off the DL as well as Tso, who will be the two current Dodgers to be moved. Abreu would seem to be a logical candidate, since Martinez does the same thing. While Betiment has his issues, he does provide real pwoer off the bench. It seems that Tomko and Hendrickson are very similiar, who would be the easier one to unload?
2007-06-25 22:28:02
522.   silverwidow
This Tomko "Before the Bigs" show is full of hilarious quotes. Like him noting that he "wasn't very good" at baseball in high school.

You still aren't, Brett.

2007-06-25 22:28:51
523.   bhsportsguy
As much as this pains me to write this because he is now a Dodger, no Fight On in Utah tonight as former USC Trojan, Paul Koss retires but one out of seven batters he faces and all six who reached, 1 via walk and 5 hits, all scored as Orem beat Ogden 9-6.
2007-06-25 22:31:42
524.   overkill94
2nd place baby!
2007-06-25 22:32:20
525.   ToyCannon
Jeff Weaver with a nice game tonight against a quality opponent. Seattle staying in the wild card hunt.
2007-06-25 22:33:06
526.   bhsportsguy
Pedro Feliz beats the Padres because their best pitcher was sitting in the pen for a save opportunity that never came.

Tony Jackson writes that Penny's actress girlfriend was at the ballpark tonight and was waiting for Brad in the service tunnel.

2007-06-25 22:34:11
527.   Gagne55
Padres fall in 11. Dodgers tied for wild card now. Going for first place tomorrow.
2007-06-25 22:34:52
528.   Greg Brock
521 I'm actually assuming Martinez's days as a Dodger are coming to an end.

One of Tomdrickson may not be long for this team, either.

2007-06-25 22:35:15
529.   JoeyP
The Padres have lost a bunch of 1-run games this year. They are something like 11-16 in 1-run games.
2007-06-25 22:40:10
530.   El Lay Dave
526 Several lines popped in my head, all rules violations.

I wonder what Eliza was wearing in 100-degree weather.

2007-06-25 22:42:39
531.   ToyCannon
Betemit for Gagne:)
2007-06-25 22:43:19
532.   ToyCannon
Probably more then she is currently wearing.
2007-06-25 22:43:32
533.   Greg Brock
I've grown accustomed to her face.
She almost makes the day begin.
I've grown accustomed to the tune that
She whistles night and noon.
Her smiles, her frowns,
Her ups, her downs
Are second nature to me now;
Like breathing out and breathing in.
2007-06-25 22:49:26
534.   El Lay Dave
Also on Jackson's blog:
``I wasn't feeling too good about (the decision [to push back Penny and start K/Guo earlier]) yesterday,'' Little said, ``but it turned out pretty good tonight.''

Does Grady think K/Guo wasn't good enough yesterday? Or am I just being hyper-sensitive?

IP-5.1 H-4 R-3 ER-3 BB-1 K-8 HR-1 Pitches/Strikes-95/63

He left the game after striking out Carl Crawford and his inherited runner scored on the drop by Lieberthal on the runner Gonzalez had thrown out. Yes, K/Guo is still throwing too many pitches, but that wasn't a bad start.

2007-06-25 22:54:48
535.   El Lay Dave
532 533 The younger guy goes for the 50-year old musical reference, the not-as-young guy the undisguised innuendo. What a blog!
2007-06-25 22:59:21
536.   underdog
Y'all will be crushed to know that John Kruk just changed his mind about who will win the NL West. He had the Dodgers at the start of the year but said on ESPN tonight that he's changing his pick now to the Padres, in part "because of Schmidt's injury and Nomar and Kent's down years." Now, all that could be fair 'nuf, but it seems like he's only superficially paying attention to the team. Anyway, he's John Kruk.
2007-06-25 23:03:41
537.   Greg Brock
When you've lost John Kruk, you've lost the center.

Center of what...No idea.

2007-06-25 23:05:25
538.   underdog
I don't know but I think his head is filled with a creamy nougat center.

Mmmmm... creamy nougat kruk... oooohhh {drool}

Wait, what were we talking about?

Anyway, it's almost as golden as Steve Phillips picking against you, so I'll take it.

2007-06-25 23:08:26
539.   El Lay Dave
Attempting to find the center of John Kruk is a Jules Vernian task.
2007-06-25 23:10:12
540.   trainwreck
He has a gravitational pull, so I guess he is the center of a galaxy.
2007-06-25 23:12:26
541.   Greg Brock
Kruk is fine as the bumbling lummox.

Making said bumbling lummox (bumblox?) one of your lead analysts is crazy. Still better than Phillips.

2007-06-25 23:15:27
542.   Andrew Shimmin
TradeSports has the Padres narrowly ahead of the Dodgers and well ahead of the Dbacks, at the top of the NL West heap. It's not a clearly wrong pick, though it doesn't sound like Kruk put too much thought into it.
2007-06-25 23:22:53
543.   Greg Brock
Question [/Schrute]:

In the post game chit-chat with the Fox guy, Grady said something along the lines of "We're going to make the move and see if it works out" with Nomar.

And if Nomar is Sweeney Todd with the leather over there? Then what?

2007-06-25 23:24:25
544.   Andrew Shimmin
543- Grady makes himself a pie.
2007-06-25 23:28:43
545.   Greg Brock
Nomar made 6 errors in 34 games at third base with the Cubs. That's not good.

Not complaining, mind you. I wanted this to happen. Just meditating on it a little bit.

2007-06-25 23:38:34
546.   Andrew Shimmin
I'm taking it as a given that he's going to be bad. If he starts hitting, I won't care. If he doesn't start hitting, I still won't care.
2007-06-25 23:48:10
547.   Dodgers49
546, Same here. Whatever it takes to get Loney in the lineup is okay by me. Now I've just got to find some way to get Kemp in there and my work will be done. :-)
2007-06-25 23:52:19
548.   Dodgers49
We're facing all righthanders this week. I'm expecting Little to alternate Ethier and Kemp. The other two guys will probably all seven games.
2007-06-25 23:58:09
549.   Dodgers49
548. probably play
2007-06-26 00:01:03
550.   trainwreck
Got to give some credit to Nomar for being very open to this. Of course, I will be calling for his permanent benching if he continues hitting like this.
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2007-06-26 00:08:23
551.   JoeyP
It appears that Vince McMahon gave a tribute show tonight to a guy that murdered his wife and his own son.

2007-06-26 00:12:26
552.   trainwreck
It seems so odd, because he apparently rushed home for a family emergency. Just absolutely crazy that Benoit could do something like that.
2007-06-26 00:17:12
553.   GoBears
While I'm happy that Little is determined to get Loney into the lineup, this is really a choice of Loney over Betemit, not over Nomar. I have no confidence at all that Nomar will start to hit like the Nomar of old (to say nothing of the Nomar of pre-ASB 2006). And I think I might even be more confident about Betemit than Jon is.

Now, maybe this switch to 3rd is Little's way of biding time. If Loney falls back to Earth, he can reverse course (or at least platoon) while looking good for having given Loney a shot. If Nomar perks up, great. If he continues to stink and his defensive deficiencies become more obvious at 3rd, then he can slowly ease him into a 3rd-base platoon with Betemit, and reassess in the off-season. If that's what's going on, I applaud Little's attempt to "manage" in the fullest sense of the word. But if by "permanent," Little means that he has given up on Betemit, I'll be disappointed.

2007-06-26 00:23:57
554.   Greg Brock
551 I think it's going to turn out a little more complex than that. I don't want to feed any rumor mill stuff, but some reports are floating out that make it sound different.
2007-06-26 01:06:45
555.   Andrew Shimmin
I have little hope that Nomar will come around. If there were a way to put money on it, and I had any to spare, I'd bet Betemit was more productive over the rest of the year than Nomar will be. I hope he's almost out of rope, since it would be a shame to keep playing pretend all year long, but it'll be the same flavor shame if we have to do it with Pierre, so, at least it'll be familiar.

The FO has now addressed half of one of the two big problems with this team. It took three months. Scott Erickson's last appearance in 2005 was on July 24th, though; maybe it's progress.

2007-06-26 05:52:18
556.   Vishal
re: nomar

hallelujah! why didn't this happen back in spring training?

2007-06-26 06:23:04
557.   Benaiah
Ned Colletti makes all of these moves in the offseason with the end result being that the team on the field is basically what it would have been anyway. Kuo/Billingsley in the rotation, Loney starting, and Kemp platooning. The big difference between 2007 and 2005 is that the kids are completely ready to step in, while Depo's backup plan was spare parts and AAAA players. The offseason was a miserable failure, Gonzo is playing well, but Nomar, Pierre and Schmidt are out or worthless. Still, fantastic pitching, kudos on signing Wolf and it only took 70 games for the kids to get a chance.
2007-06-26 06:50:28
558.   weatherman
557 - And we have one of the best records in the NL. There is a lot to complain about, but compared to the rest of the teams, we are doing really well.
2007-06-26 07:34:33
559.   Bumsrap
553 this is really a choice of Loney over Betemit

That is what I was thinking in Spring Training, that it was not a contest between LaRoche and Betemit, that instead it was between Betemit and Loney if the Dodgers had the guts to move Nomar to third.

Maybe the next question is how long will Nomar continue to hit third? That may take another 70 games.

2007-06-26 07:38:44
560.   Bumsrap
There is a story in management texts that goes something like this. A guy makes a bad decision that costs the business over a $ Million and is called into the CEO's office. The guy thinks he is going to be fired but the CEO says why would I fire you, I just spent over a $ Million training you.

Will McCourt be as objective with Colletti after spending about $100 Million to train him?

2007-06-26 07:49:19
561.   ToyCannon
Maybe the plan was to make sure the kids didn't have the pressure of playing right from the start. Everyone assumes Ned has no plan and it makes no sense. They don't meet everyday and talk about the Lakers. We saw plenty of failures this season with teams that went with the kids right from the start. Marte, Kouz, Gordon, Quentin, Drew, and C Young just to name a few all struggled out of the gate. The kids who have done the best Braun and Pence both were allowed to percolate in AAA before being moved into high pressure situations. It is possible the Ned or Logan knows what they doing when it comes to getting the kids ready to play at this level. If Loney had started out as slow in the majors as he did in AAA this year who knows how his psyche would have taken it. It is one thing to let down a AAA team compared to letting down 50,000 fans every night and your million dollar teammates. Nomar/Pierre have been through it before so when they slump they know it will work out but I expect it is harder on the kids who haven't been through the grind of a major league season. Loney is up and he broke down the door. Kemp has broken down his door but we have wee bit more of a roadblock in his way. A four man rotation is all I ever asked for in 2007 and it looks like that is what we will have. Just need Kuo and Billingsley to hold up their ends of the bargain and it really is the team most envisioned this spring but that we said it may take until August to see. We're now a head of the timetable. Nomar now has to produce at 3b because there is no going back to 1st base. I think the plan is to give him until the trade deadline and see if he is the answer and if not then a deal will be made for a 3b and Nomar becomes an expensive utility player. The best part of baseball is the fluidity. Thousands of words will be written about this move and they could all become moot if anyone goes down with an injury. Other then Schmidt this has been a very healthy season for us.
2007-06-26 07:50:19
562.   Sam DC
My son is in a baseball camp thing this week. All the kids get blue camp T-shirts to wear. On Opening Day, the head coach explained that the camp color is blue to honor the Dodgers who changed America by signing Jackie Robinson.


2007-06-26 07:52:54
563.   bhsportsguy
562 Nice.

[standing ovation]

Now will they wear red next week to honor Christian Guzman, the greatest shortstop in Nats' history?

2007-06-26 07:59:25
564.   ToyCannon
From Rotowire:
Lugo is now zero for his last 29 at-bats and is 5-for-62 (.081) in his last 16 games. "I don't know if he's even been through this," Red Sox manager Terry Francona told the Providence Journal, "with his speed and what he's done in the past. It's surprising to all of us. I just know if he gets going, he's going to help us a lot."

Evidently Terry was unaware of Lugo's struggles for the Dodgers. Who knew he could actually be worse. At this point Boston has had just as lousy a winter as the Dodgers but they are also in 1st place. It will be curious to see which duo turns it around 1st, Lugo/Drew or Pierre/Nomar.

2007-06-26 08:00:18
565.   ToyCannon
Not that the Brooklyn Dodgers had anything to do with Blue.
2007-06-26 08:17:37
566.   blue22
564 - LA will see Boston's Lugo/Drew with their Pierre/Nomar, and raise them one shredded Schmidt shoulder.

If Dice-K goes down with TJ surgery this year, we can talk again about who had the worse offseason.

2007-06-26 08:19:46
567.   Bumsrap
Between Mueller and Garciaparra the $$$ have been invested at third and now the ROI will soon be known. ROI = runs + rbi over invested millions.
2007-06-26 08:23:09
568.   ToyCannon
I don't know, they spent the amount of the Schmidt signing just to talk to Dice-K and he hasn't been any better then Wolf. Throw in the unexpected offensive resurgance of Gonzo and I think we still have an open discussion even with Schmidt out for the year.
2007-06-26 08:25:10
569.   Bumsrap
568 - Yeah but, that could change if Ned gives Gonzo a two year contract based on this year's production.
2007-06-26 08:56:34
570.   JoeyP
they spent the amount of the Schmidt signing just to talk to Dice-K and he hasn't been any better then Wolf

Dice-K ERA+ 112
Wolf ERA+ 100

2007-06-26 08:58:30
571.   JoeyP
And Drew's still in his prime, and likely will get better as the season goes on. His ISO patience is still good, and his power is slowly coming back. Nomar has no patience and is swinging a fly swatter.

As for Lugo, I'm not sure what the Red Sox were thinking. They gave up on Renteria after 1 year, maybe they do the same with Lugo.

2007-06-26 08:58:54
572.   jasonungar07
Loney now has 7 extra base hits in 29Abs. Nomar has 11 in 265. Thats crazy talk.
2007-06-26 09:34:30
573.   Kevin Lewis

I completely agree with your well thought out statement here. What makes me excited about Nomar moving to third is that Grady is not afraid to make some necessary changes to bring in the young players. I imagine if Nomar continues to dwindle at the plate, Grady will be prepared to turn him into a utility player. I guess the question will be whether we will stick with Betemit/Abreu after that or whether we will go after a bat at third base.

2007-06-26 09:40:25
574.   Kevin Lewis
Wow, tough loss for SD last night. Gaslamp Ball is calling for a fire sale to make way for the 2010 season. First one on the sale rack, Peavy. It's funny because John Kruk's comments almost assured him that the Padres were now done for the year.
2007-06-26 09:54:07
575.   Humma Kavula
573 Agreed -- with one note -- it's not just Grady. There's no way that this decision was made without Colletti 100% on board... Well, I guess it could have been, but if that's the case, it's very bad news... you can't have the manager and the GM on such different pages. Of course, I think Colletti was on board, and he deserves his share of the credit for this decision, whether it works out or not.

Thanks to 561 for reminding me about that point of view. I'm not sure I agree entirely -- any plan that involves signing Juan Pierre for 5 years needs to be rethought, in my opinion -- but it's interesting to think about his contract as a way to buy time for Kemp. If Kemp is ready to be the full time left fielder next year and the full time center fielder in 2009, and if Pierre is tradable at that point (with 3 years left on his deal), this plan looks a lot better.

Still hate that guy, though, and I'm still gonna count all his outs.

2007-06-26 10:00:20
576.   JoeyP
574--Do they not think Peavy is going to re-sign with them?

I think with Germano's emergence, and Hensley being ready to come back---dealing David Wells back to the Yankees could be an option.

2007-06-26 10:03:35
577.   Telemachos
No matter his faults, Colletti is certainly flexible: while you need the player's approval, I'm hard-pressed to think of another team willing to do such a move with a "name player": the only ones that come to mind are A-Rod/Jeter and Nomar when he was snagged by the Cubs... but both of those position changes came via trade.

And, of course, Colletti's off-season moves can be seen as him wanting maximum flexibility no matter what happens... while occasionally it means a terrible decision (The Player), it also means a willingness to experiment (the rotating third-base situation).

2007-06-26 10:03:54
578.   Kevin Lewis

Here is the quote from Dex at Gaslamp

However, now that Kruk has given us his blessing, I'm pretty sure that means we've seen the best that the Padres have to offer. No postseason for us!

So, how do we fix the team for next year? Our bullpen is built on smoke and mirrors. Half of our starting rotation will qualify for discounts on coffee and museums sometime this year. We have no offense to speak of.

My offered solution: Firesale.

"If we get rid of Peavy now, for the contract that we have him signed to, we can easily acquire 4-5 hot prospects to get ready for a run in 2010. We'd still have Chris Young and Geronimo to hold us over so that we're not completely embarrassed in our down years.

I'm telling you. Firesale. It's our only hope to salvage this pitiful display."

2007-06-26 10:05:25
579.   Greg Brock
The only thing funnier than Dex's post is the number of readers over there that don't understand "tongue-in-cheek"
2007-06-26 10:05:33
580.   Bob Timmermann
Ludicrous column by Jon Heyman on teams that would take Bonds in a trade:
2007-06-26 10:07:39
581.   Kevin Lewis
579) I concur. Especially with the obvious absurdity of offering up Peavy.
2007-06-26 10:11:40
582.   Kevin Lewis
Reading the Gaslamp Blog and the comments makes me realize how similar the Dodgers and Padres are this year. It will be interesting to see where things are come September. I don't think I was this excited about Summer baseball last year.
2007-06-26 10:12:15
583.   blue22
580 - What is this "pipeline" he speaks of?

Why wouldn't the Yankees at least have a glimmer of interest in having Barry take Giambi's spot as DH? Damon could play first if he's no longer capable of centerfield.

2007-06-26 10:12:28
584.   Greg Brock
From the Heyman article Bob linked:

Plus, longtime nemesis Jeff Kent has a pipeline to the owner's wife, Jamie McCourt.

I don't know what that means, but it sounds disgusting.

2007-06-26 10:17:34
585.   silverwidow
Some Chicago sportswriter wants to fleece us for Buehrle. He name drops Kershaw, Loney and Kemp (among others).

2007-06-26 10:22:48
586.   bhsportsguy
584 As if someone with a astronaut fixation should talk.

On a somewhat serious note, Kent has participated in the last two years in the clinics that Jamie McCourt puts on for her Women's Introduction Baseball and networking seminars at Dodger Stadium.

From an AP story in May 2005 -

Among the Dodgers expected to be involved with WIN is second baseman Jeff Kent, who has made major contributions to the women's athletic department at the University of California, his alma mater.

"Combining athletics and academics has always been very important to me, and the WIN program is a great step in the right direction," said Kent, who has a daughter and three sons.

As Madeline Kahn's character said in Blazing Saddles, "What a swell guy."

2007-06-26 10:24:16
587.   bhsportsguy
586 Bob - you know the writer means Cal-Berkley and I know that but is it correct AP style to identify it as just the University of California?
2007-06-26 10:25:37
588.   Hythloday
those rubes in la they'll fall for anything. give them podsednick if they complain.
2007-06-26 10:29:44
589.   Bob Timmermann
As opposed to Jayson Stark referring to a baseball game between "Cal Fullerton" and "Cal Irvine."
2007-06-26 10:29:49
590.   Jon Weisman
2007-06-26 10:32:01
591.   blue22
586 - Well, apparently he's only doing it so that he can prevent LA from acquiring Bonds (or so Jon Heyman would have you believe). If it weren't for Kent, LA would be all over Bonds!
2007-06-26 13:07:47
592.   Andrew Shimmin
561- Pedroia and Buck had jobs at the beginning of the year. Harris (if he still counts; he is a rookie) and Hamilton got jobs after a couple of weeks. It looks like Loney's going to get his job after about three months.

I can't see how it's possible to read the Pierre contract as anything but Colletti signing a player he liked to a long contract. Is there really any such thing as a five year bridge?

I understand the importance of having a plan B, I don't understand having Plan B be very likely better than plan A. Especially at 1B, where Saenz is a better than average plan B.

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