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June 29 Open Chat
2007-06-29 07:30
by Jon Weisman

Comments (243)
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2007-06-29 08:18:06
1.   Bluebleeder87
Major series this weekend hopefully i'll make it to at least one game.
2007-06-29 08:35:08
2.   Doctor
DFA Tomko.
2007-06-29 08:44:05
3.   Nagman
Good news: The boys have won 9 of their last 10 series openers
Bad news: SD on 6/5 is the only blemish.

Even more meaningless stat: they are 10-2 on Fridays.

2007-06-29 08:45:07
4.   gpellamjr
2 And call up Kershaw! (Getting an early start on the complaining about his not being called up.)
2007-06-29 08:47:47
5.   Bluebleeder87

call up Withrow ALREADY!!!

2007-06-29 08:53:27
6.   Bob Timmermann
Why do we want Doug Kershaw on the Dodgers? He's so 1975.
2007-06-29 08:59:24
7.   Bob Timmermann
Richard Sandomir of the New York Times writing about how people get all weepy in Brooklyn still about the Dodgers, but the Giants don't.

2007-06-29 09:04:06
8.   Daniel Zappala
7 Why would the Giants get all weepy about the Dodgers? That's how your sentence parses, Bob!

Someone in the previous thread was calling for a Sicilian ... I don't sever horse heads, but I do skewer grammar mistakes.

2007-06-29 09:06:20
9.   Daniel Zappala
Incidentally, you can buy your own horse head pillow here:

2007-06-29 09:08:04
10.   Greg Brock
I do wonder which team would have come out to Los Angeles had the Dodgers stayed in Brooklyn.
2007-06-29 09:12:09
11.   Bluebleeder87

No matter what team it be Greg it would be enjoying the fruits of success the Dodgers are enjoying. Or am i wrong on this?

2007-06-29 09:12:51
12.   Bluebleeder87
err, i ment 10 sorry peepz.
2007-06-29 09:16:30
13.   Greg Brock
It's pretty amazing that Los Angeles got a team with that much history. I don't think anybody could have dreamed up a better match than the Dodgers and Los Angeles.

It probably would have been an expansion team in the American League. The Angels. I'm guessing LA would be a one team town with the Los Angeles Angels.

2007-06-29 09:17:21
14.   Daniel Zappala
It's quite possible the Mets would have come to LA.

Both the AL and NL were trying to get a team in LA, with the St. Louis Browns actually having an agreement for the 1942 season before Pearl Habor intervened. After the war, the AL and NL agreed to expand and place a new team in a city without an existing team. The agreement broke down, and the Mets ended up in NY, so the Angels went to LA even though the Dodgers were already there.

We also could have had just the LA Angels without any Dodgers.

2007-06-29 09:19:00
15.   Daniel Zappala
We would have had Darryl Strawberry a little earlier that way, I guess.
2007-06-29 09:19:31
16.   Bob Timmermann
I think the L.A. area would have received both an AL and NL expansion team if the Dodgers hadn't moved.

The AL wanted to get a team in Southern California almost right away after the NL moved out here.

2007-06-29 09:23:56
17.   underdog
6 Heck, wouldn't it be good if we called up Nic Kershaw++ for all I care... I'm an official member of the ABT+ Society.

+Anyone But Tomko
++ revealing the depths of my 80s new wave geekitude

2007-06-29 09:40:48
18.   Humma Kavula

As Friday it may happen that a ballgame must be played
I've got a little list! I've got a little list!
Of the Dodgers great offenders who might well be DFAed
And who never would be missed! They never would be missed!
There's Brett "The Bombko" Tomko, who can't hold a eight-run lead;
Mark Hendrickson, the giant dude, as useless as a weed;
and Nomar G -- his bat and his routine, they both annoy;
and Juan Pierre -- I've just four words -- "search, and then destroy";
and any other players poor, stuck within our midst --
They'd none of 'em be missed, they'd none of 'em be missed!

2007-06-29 09:41:22
19.   underdog
Nothing like an obscure new wave reference to kill a chat.

What's the latest on Milton Bradley? Will be in a Padres uniform this weekend?

2007-06-29 09:42:29
20.   Humma Kavula
19 Well, I decided to see the new wave reference and raise some Gilbert & Sullivan. We'll see how that goes.
2007-06-29 09:44:52
21.   underdog
Hee. And nothing like a little Gilbert and Sullivan to get it going again. Clever.

Now, everyone join in:
"I am the very model of a modern General-Manager,
I've information pitcher, salary and hitter...."


2007-06-29 09:48:29
22.   Gen3Blue
Silent Be!
2007-06-29 09:49:00
23.   JMK
I have a friend who may be sitting a few rows back of the McCourts on Saturday night. Any suggestions on funny, random things she can be yelling out during the game?
2007-06-29 09:50:21
24.   Humma Kavula

I know their VORPS and EQAs and Wins above Replacement Guy,
I'll go get Milton Bradley and not stop to answer questions why!

2007-06-29 09:51:50
25.   Bob Timmermann
Too bad for you last night was the last "Studio 60" and you won't get to hear any of Aaron Sorkin's Gilbert & Sullivan takeoffs.

Man, those were ... not good.

2007-06-29 09:53:18
26.   Humma Kavula
25 I was not a fan of that show.
2007-06-29 09:53:45
27.   Gen3Blue
If LA had recieved an NL expansion team what would the name have been (assume "Angels"taken) Maybe "Quakes"?
2007-06-29 09:54:58
28.   Greg Brock
I am the very model of a modern General-Manager
I've information hitter, pitcher,and scan waivers like a scavenger
I know the scouts of Vero Beach, and I quote the stats historical
From Ogden to Las Vegas in order categorical
I'm very well acquainted, too, with matters mathematical
I understand sabermetrics, both the simple and quadratical

There you go. You can take it from here...

2007-06-29 09:55:57
29.   Daniel Zappala
I think Juan Pierre was born with a torn labrum.
2007-06-29 09:57:27
30.   Robert Daeley
28 Maybe "Stars" after the other PCL team, the old Hollywood team.
2007-06-29 09:57:34
31.   Humma Kavula
30 I think Juan Pierre is an alien with mind-control powers over baseball personnel.
2007-06-29 09:57:48
32.   Humma Kavula
31 refers to 29.
2007-06-29 09:58:51
33.   Robert Daeley
Er, 27 that is. My sentence doesn't quite fit the Gilbert & Sullivan mode. ;)
2007-06-29 10:01:25
34.   twerp
Bob, I was following your interleague stuff on the Griddle but missed the end of it.

Accordingly I don't know the final AL-NL W-L results.

Can you enlighten me--difficult as that sometimes is said to be?

2007-06-29 10:02:23
35.   Gen3Blue
I know the names, and games and dames, and many facts historical
and LA may just temp me to get outright metaphorical.
2007-06-29 10:06:35
36.   Bob Timmermann
AL 137
NL 115
2007-06-29 10:07:27
37.   Humma Kavula
I sure can get free agents -- they're the players that are often sought
(You oughta see this one guy who can get on base an awful lot)!
2007-06-29 10:11:20
38.   Doctor
Wolf is making a run at being the 3rd starting pitcher with approx. the same OBP as The Player.
2007-06-29 10:12:51
39.   twerp
36. Thanks. A 54% AL advantage.

Maybe the AL is not quite as superior as some think. Superior, yes, but...

2007-06-29 10:28:02
40.   Bob Timmermann
It was 154-98 last year.
2007-06-29 10:30:45
41.   Michael Green
Back to who would have moved west, Bill Veeck looked at taking the Browns to L.A. in the early 1950s and tried to buy the Philadelphia Athletics with the same idea in mind in 1954. He said he talked with O'Malley and his impression was that O'Malley already was thinking about LA. Imagine Veeck running an LA team! Not only good baseball, but a lot of crazy fun.
2007-06-29 10:33:11
42.   Greg Brock
"Veeck--as in Wreck" is a fun baseball book. Bill Veeck's autobiography.
2007-06-29 10:36:25
43.   Humma Kavula
42 I agree.

Of course, Bill Murray has talked about wanting to film an adaptation of "Veeck--as in Wreck," with himself in the title role, for some time.

All I'm saying is that if such a thing were to happen, I would buy a ticket on the first day of principal photography.

2007-06-29 10:46:54
44.   JT Dutch

"people get all weepy in Brooklyn still about the Dodgers"

... Perhaps if some of those weepy people would have bothered to come to the games from 1950-1957, the Dodgers would have stayed put.

The fact of the matter is that New York couldn't support three baseball teams during that time; in fact, they barely supported one (the Yankees).

2007-06-29 10:49:51
45.   Linkmeister
At that other place Jon writes for there's a story about Biggio's 3,000th hit, and it mentions that it came within a day or two of the 19th anniversary of his first one, off (drumroll) Orel Hershiser in 1988.

Ok, now I really am feeling my age. Biggio's had an entire career since the Dodgers last were in, much less won, a World Serious.

2007-06-29 10:52:19
46.   D4P
Biggio's had an entire career since the Dodgers last were in, much less won, a World Serious

Wow. That really puts things in perspective.

2007-06-29 10:53:57
47.   Bluebleeder87

the L.A Browns?? it doesn't have a good ring to it.

2007-06-29 10:56:22
48.   ssjames
47 They probably would have changed it to the L.A. Brown Derbys if that was the case, keep part of the name and yet update it as well.
2007-06-29 11:08:47
49.   D4P
Or maybe the LA Brown Simpsons...?
2007-06-29 11:09:09
50.   underdog
28 Swell!

You were working on that all morning weren't you? I gave up on mine after the first two sentences.

"Very well, Bart, I will send you to heaven before I send you to hell." - Sideshow Bob

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2007-06-29 11:13:19
51.   DodgerBakers
47. Perhaps the LA Browns would refer to the smog.
2007-06-29 11:17:54
52.   Bluebleeder87
i have to admit the Los Angeles Angels would've been a sweet name. The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, not so much.
2007-06-29 11:20:25
53.   Greg Brock
50 Once I got past Manager, it worked itself out pretty quickly.
2007-06-29 11:20:42
54.   jasonungar07
Little said there's no doubt that Martin, hitting .299 with nine homers and 51 runs batted in, has solidified himself as an elite catcher in only his second major league season.

"I just feel bad for people who don't get a chance to watch him as much as we do," Little said.

(Now you know how we fill about Kemp)

"It's really amazing what Loney has done since he's come up," Wolf said. "I think he's been a really big spark to our offense because when he's up there, it almost feels like he's going to have a good at-bat every time, at least hit the ball on the barrel. To have a guy like that, it does kind of impact the lineup."

2007-06-29 11:22:29
55.   Dodgers49
19. What's the latest on Milton Bradley? Will be in a Padres uniform this weekend?

The Padres own website still doesn't show the deal as "completed."

>>> A baseball source on Thursday said the Padres have agreed in to a deal in principal that would send a Minor League pitcher to the Oakland A's for veteran outfielder Milton Bradley.

2007-06-29 11:23:19
56.   Daniel Zappala
52 Never mind would've. Was. For a very long time. See the PCL and the first name for the Angels when they were an expansion franchise.
2007-06-29 11:24:35
57.   jasonungar07
2007-06-29 11:25:11
58.   D4P
I'm kinda surprised that Management isn't more impressed with Kemp's .421 BA
2007-06-29 11:27:35
59.   Marty
"Very well, Bart, I will send you to heaven before I send you to hell." - Sideshow Bob

A friend of mine's daughter was petrified of Sideshow Bob when she was very young. She couldn't stay in the same room. She's 20 now and says he still gives her the creeps.

2007-06-29 11:27:51
60.   Bob Timmermann
The owner of the Brown Derby owned the Hollywood Stars: Bob Cobb.

And he also gave us the Cobb Salad.

2007-06-29 11:28:05
61.   twerp
36 40 I guess NL fans can claim the trend is going in their direction.

Two years ago the AL won at a 61% clip, but this year it dropped to 54%. Maybe there's hope.

But NL fans probably don't want to talk about All-Star games over the past several years...

2007-06-29 11:31:37
62.   GobiasIndustries
But NL fans probably don't want to talk about All-Star games over the past several years...

Ah but that was before the All-Star game featured one Russell Martin!

2007-06-29 11:32:12
63.   Dodgers49
The San Diego newspaper says the Padres aren't requiring Bradley to take a physical.

>>> Last week the A's and Kansas City Royals reportedly agreed on a trade involving Bradley, but the deal was voided, apparently because Bradley wasn't recovered from an injury. The Padres aren't requiring a physical exam to make the trade. <<<

2007-06-29 11:33:33
64.   bhsportsguy
58 I think the impressive thing about Loney to management is that they knew he wasn't happy about going back down and while he didn't go back and hit like he did last year, he did do what was asked of him and when he came back, he came back ready to show them that he deserves to be a big leaguer.

Also, Loney appears, from the outside, to be a very quiet and polite young man but he does all the things you ask a player to do, I heard this on the radio during the road trip and I would love to see this in person or on tape. Before the game, Mariano Duncan takes a fungo bat to the left side of the infield and hits liners toward Loney from 3B, SS hole and behind 2B. Loney does this to be able to react to the different throws from the infielders. And he doesn't miss many. Duncan says he hits the ball as hard as he can.

So when the rest of team see a guy work hard like that, I think it creates a favorable impression. Hitting near .500 does that too.

2007-06-29 11:34:07
65.   ssjames
63 According to reports, the player traded for Bradley is going to be Andrew Brown, making the second time that he will have been traded for Bradley, including the time he was included with Gutierrez when Bradley came to the Dodgers.
2007-06-29 11:34:59
66.   Greg Brock
64 When are you taking off for NY?
2007-06-29 11:36:39
67.   bhsportsguy
65 I thought Brown had a good chance to be one of those Padre middle relief guys who they seem to add to their roster every year.

Brown is always linked to, while lets just say, emotional outfielders, as he was part of the Sheff deal.

2007-06-29 11:37:02
68.   bhsportsguy
66 ten hours from now.
2007-06-29 11:37:28
69.   SG6
Bradley may start as soon as the Sunday game at Dodger Stadium, which has just come up with a "Water Bottle" promotional giveaway.
2007-06-29 11:40:16
70.   neuroboy002
Well the way I see it, some of these "veteran" players get in a comfort zone, knowing they have a stable job that they are penciled in everyday. There are times they need some competition to jump start their game. The Dodgers did it to Beltre years ago by acquiring potential third basemen in the middle of the season.

I think Jeff Kent needs a kick in the posterior with competition. I thought the perfect way to do it was to acquire Milton Bradley and have him shag balls at second base. I think that would have mixed things up in the clubhouse very well... putting some fire into our future Hall of Famer.

Ahhh, Bradley and Kent dueling over 2nd base. It would be included in the outtakes section of the 2007 Dodger season DVD.

2007-06-29 11:50:12
71.   Doctor
Mark Grace-

"3-0 to Loney- be careful, anything right down the middle you 'better hold your ears"

Now, Loney cant keep up what he did that that series- but that's exactly what our line-up has been missing!

2007-06-29 11:54:19
72.   Bob Timmermann
Presumably, Loney will cool off because he will be facing far better pitchers in Young and Peavy than any of the DBack pitchers.

The Padres pitching is 2003 Dodgers like. Except sometimes their hitting is too.

2007-06-29 11:54:27
73.   twerp
East Valley Tribune RE last night--

In his first start in 18 days, Johnson contended his back "is fine," but the Dodgers did notice something different in the pitcher many consider the best left-hander in major league history.

Them thar jest mite be fightin' words to some folk 'round these parts...

2007-06-29 11:55:26
74.   Bob Timmermann
Yeah, Lefty Grove is really angry.

But Lefty Grove was always angry.

2007-06-29 11:56:53
75.   Doctor

Brandon Webb is no slouch.

2007-06-29 12:00:52
76.   bhsportsguy
Russell Martin - 90% Pecota 512 AB 89 Runs 30 Doubles 3 Triples 15HR 66RBI 62BB 61K 11 SB

Russell Martin - 2007 pace on actuals
540 AB 90 runs, 36 Doubles, 4 Triples, 18 HR, 107 RBI, 60 BB, 80 K, 25 SB

He is just about at his 75% Pecota already.

2007-06-29 12:01:07
77.   Bob Timmermann
True, but overall I give the Padres a big edge in pitching over the Snakes.
2007-06-29 12:02:14
78.   ToyCannon
Not to dispute your point but when did Brandon Webb become Brett Tomko?

Thanks for depressing me.

Were Home
Were Home
good things happen when were home.

2007-06-29 12:03:50
79.   Doctor

Agree, I am actually one of the few who isn't worried about AZ over the second 1/2. That 'pen has been way over its head. But Webb is as good as anyone in the NL, and James raked him- the kid was on fire.

2007-06-29 12:04:24
80.   ToyCannon
If you take away the Petco factor just how much better is the Padre pitching?
2007-06-29 12:06:53
81.   Dodgers49
73. I'll still take my chances with Koufax. :-)
2007-06-29 12:07:08
82.   Bluebleeder87
you guys always mention computer generated #'s but there always off. It's probably better to stick with the good 'ol fashion approach no? i like some sabermatretion (sp) stuff but you guys take it to a whole new level.
2007-06-29 12:07:43
83.   bhsportsguy
77 Bob, any thoughts on Vin calling Byrnes "the pride of UCLA."

To give Vin a break, I think he does that with every player when he recalls what school or city or country that player is from.

But Eric Byrnes the pride of UCLA, sheesh.

Also, does your girlfriend realize that she is seeing the best pitching matchup and a duel for the starting spot in All-Star game tomorrow night?

2007-06-29 12:09:38
84.   Doctor

You mean you dont think SD is going to win 105 (I think thats about what the formula has them at) games this year? 7 or 8 better than franchise history, it could happen, but I doubt it.

2007-06-29 12:14:14
85.   regfairfield
82 I think the "good old fashioned approach" would be a lot more off if you sat down and wrote out predictions for every player.
2007-06-29 12:16:30
86.   D4P
Who's to say...?
2007-06-29 12:25:23
87.   robohobo
85 Some blogs (Bucs Dugout for one) preseason were recording community projections for players. It seemed for the pirates, more often than not, they were pretty close to zips. It would be interesting to have posters here do a similar thing. Then the two could be compared. Of course, community projections are more a wisdom of the masses kind of thing as opposed to comparing and individual's projections.
2007-06-29 12:26:10
88.   robohobo individual's ...
2007-06-29 12:26:55
89.   Greg Brock
Big news on the astronaut front, gang:

2007-06-29 12:27:31
90.   ToyCannon
La Roche makes BP's The All-Disappointment Team.
2007-06-29 12:37:26
91.   Robert Daeley
89 Well at least they got to the bottom of that.
2007-06-29 12:39:37
92.   Dodgers49
Stats 101: Will Padres' 'pen hold up?

>>> Of course, in evaluating anything to do with contemporary Padre teams, the tendencies of Petco Park must be taken into account. Since it came online prior to the 2004 season, Petco has been the toughest hitter's park in the game. <<<

2007-06-29 12:43:00
93.   LogikReader

[sad tone]

It was diaper time...
It was diaper time...

2007-06-29 12:47:05
94.   Greg Brock
91 Groan.

And applause.

2007-06-29 12:51:30
95.   ToyCannon
Skirts, they will doom us all in the end.
2007-06-29 12:57:53
96.   D4P

You can't live with 'em,
You can't live without 'em.
There's something irrestibilish about 'em.
We grin and bear it because the nights are long.
I hope that something better comes along.

2007-06-29 13:00:16
97.   underdog
Is this what Ralph Kramden meant by, "To the moon, Alice!"


It would've been nice if one of the games this weekend was on national TV, Fox or ESPN, but I guess no one east of the Mississippi cares about the two best teams in the NL, including the Penny-Peavy matchup tomorrow. {{whine}}

2007-06-29 13:00:25
98.   natepurcell
from a BA chat... do we have our new international hope?

Q: DAVID from SOUTH GATE, CA asks:
Any good international prospects being linked to the Dodgers? Will they even be players on the international front, ($$)?

A: Chris Kline: Yo, David . . . the Dodgers are getting more active like they were a few years ago, which has been one of GM Ned Colletti's responsibilities since he came over from San Francisco--to bring the Dodgers back to where they were as the leader in international signings. It's going to take a while, but the Dodgers have Logan White shoring up that effort . . . and that bodes well for any club trying to get involved in scouting anywhere on the planet. Keep an eye on third baseman Pedro Baez in the Gulf Coast League--totally legit with power @ 3B. White stole him away from at least four clubs for less money--Logan White is no longer just a draft guru. Baez is for real and could be a monster.

2007-06-29 13:01:29
99.   Dodgers49
It's now official.

>>> Padres acquire outfielder Milton Bradley from Oakland in exchange for Minor League pitcher Andrew Brown <<<

2007-06-29 13:05:10
100.   The Mootz
For those Time Warner Cable viewers out there, Dodgers on Demand has just posted a 1982 season in review video (which includes apperances by the illustrious Greg Brock and Padres looking like tacos), as well as a 1989 preview hosted by Keith Olberman (which includes him berating the three people who CAN NOT claim they were at the Gibson miracle home run).

There's also a 1992 interview with Vin Scully that's worth viewing.

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2007-06-29 13:06:28
101.   underdog
I'm nervous about anyone named Baez but I've heard others say the same thing about him -- definitely one to keep watching.

So weird that Bradley was traded for Brown, again. Really weird.

Is he still injured? I feel like even if this is now official, he won't be active this weekend, no?

2007-06-29 13:06:29
102.   Bob Timmermann
Everybody knows the "Pride of UCLA" was Jim Parque...

Seriously, I think the best combo of "Good player at UCLA" and "good player in the majors" may be Troy Glaus. Jackie Robinson didn't play much baseball at UCLA.

2007-06-29 13:06:52
103.   dodgerkramer1
Please excuse my ignorance...What does DFA mean?
2007-06-29 13:08:53
104.   Bob Timmermann
2007-06-29 13:09:16
105.   Greg Brock
103 Designated For Assignment
2007-06-29 13:09:46
106.   Greg Brock

{Shakes fist...}

2007-06-29 13:09:58
107.   Daniel Zappala
Personally, I like these numbers from SS Yosanddy Garcia with the GCL Dodgers: .235/.235/.824.
2007-06-29 13:10:32
108.   dodgerkramer1
{104} Thank you. I figured it was something like that, but my simple mind couldn't crack the code. :-)
2007-06-29 13:12:46
109.   weatherman

They ought to give him a mental. Wokka Wokka

2007-06-29 13:15:23
110.   twerp
81 When all-time greats are discussed, one of the arguments is that old-timers didn't have to face black or Latin players, nor sliders and splitters.

Another aspect of that could be that as great as some of the old-time pitchers were with just a FB and curve, they also might have been able to master sliders and splitters, at least well enough to mix in their arsenal.

(BTW, did many old-time all-timers throw more than fastballs and curves successfully? If so, who/what? I know Carl Hubbell was known for his screwball.)

Koufax isn't an "old-timer," but can you imagine him throwing an effective splitter to go along with that "rising" FB and knee-buckling curve? Or maybe a slider?

Hitters might have tried to file a petition for cruel and unusual punishment.

2007-06-29 13:17:02
111.   D4P
If I were to give Yosanddy a biblically-themed nickname, I'd go with "Samson" over "Job".
2007-06-29 13:18:09
112.   D4P
Serena Williams's opponent is wearing sunglasses. I'm not sure I've ever seen a tennis player don shades.
2007-06-29 13:20:10
113.   Bob Timmermann
She's playing against Kei Igawa?
2007-06-29 13:21:21
114.   D4P
No: Corey Hart.
2007-06-29 13:24:55
115.   ToyCannon
If your only going to get a few hits you might as well make em count.

Looks to me like both rookie league rosters are full of international players.

Pedro Guerrero and Carlos Santana have got to make it to the big club for at least one game.

2007-06-29 13:26:11
116.   Daniel Zappala
114 I'd rather it was Elton John from the 70s.
2007-06-29 13:30:31
117.   GobiasIndustries
I'm kind of partial to Job myself, I think for obvious reasons.....
2007-06-29 13:30:49
118.   Penarol1916
110. Of course, if Koufax did throw a splitter he might have had to retire from injuries before he ever found his control and became Sandy Koufax.
2007-06-29 13:33:16
119.   D4P
I'm kind of partial to Job myself, I think for obvious reasons.....

GOB is somewhat the patron saint of Dodger Thoughts. The matriarch, if you will.

2007-06-29 13:33:40
120.   Hythloday
116 Only if he wears the accompanying suspenders and he plate music is Goodbye Yellow Brick Road or Crocodile Rock.
2007-06-29 13:34:46
121.   ToyCannon

Shockingly the Dodgers have outpaced the BP Pecota projection by a > margin then any other team. How is that possible you ask with the miserable performances of Pierre/Nomar/Furcal/Schmidt?

2007-06-29 13:35:07
122.   GobiasIndustries
I knew I liked coming to this site for more than just Dodgers love.
2007-06-29 13:37:06
123.   Marty
Koufax DID throw a splitter after a fashion. He threw the forkball.
2007-06-29 13:42:29
124.   ToyCannon
For any Clipper fans on the 2nd round pick:

From Rand Richards Cooper in [May 25, 2007]:

One summer day 11 years ago, I'd just moved to Hartford, Conn., and on my third afternoon I found my way up the block to the park and a pickup hoop game. It was your typical city playground tableau, a bunch of African-American guys in their teens and 20s, plus me, thirtysomething white guy. And this little 11-year-old white kid. The kid was tiny. Why are they letting this munchkin play? I wondered...

...An hour later I was headed home, shaking my head. I just saw this tiny kid do some amazing things on the court, I told my wife. I'm gonna watch him and see what happens. If you followed college basketball this season, you know what happened. The munchkin who surprised me on the court that day grew up to be Jared Jordan of Marist College, a point guard with a brainy, aggressive style and a considerable gift for passing the ball.

2007-06-29 13:43:12
125.   Gen3Blue
I don't much like the revamped look at ItD today.
2007-06-29 13:44:36
126.   gpellamjr
123 "after a fashion"... I love when people talk like my grandmother. I hope people will also consider incorporating any or all of the following figures of speech into their posts:

And my all time favorite: "Are you hungry? Do you want me to fix you something to eat?"

2007-06-29 13:45:41
127.   StolenMonkey86
103 if DFA is followed by JA, then


2007-06-29 13:51:38
128.   underdog
Ray LeRoux must be reading Dodger Thoughts, or our minds.
(Re: the concocted faux-rumors about Rangers-Dodgers trade)
2007-06-29 13:54:48
129.   Gagne55
127 Wouldn't the "JA" be preceeding and not following in that case?
2007-06-29 13:55:44
130.   fanerman
128 A sane mind. Thank goodness.
2007-06-29 13:57:42
131.   Marty
That sane mind thinks Billingsley may get traded.
2007-06-29 13:59:59
132.   Penarol1916
128. What's that in the article about Billingsley doing better elsewhere and being dissed by the powers that be?
2007-06-29 14:00:04
133.   Marty
131 And he may be right. I didn't mean to call his judgment into question. I can easily believe Ned thinks Bills is expendable.
2007-06-29 14:00:23
134.   Daniel Zappala
We're not going to start calling Marty grandpa are we?
2007-06-29 14:01:01
135.   Marty
After all, according to Ned he's just a middle reliever.
2007-06-29 14:01:21
136.   StolenMonkey86
129 - Well, yes, if you're going to insist on accuracy, but who wants that?
2007-06-29 14:01:53
137.   Hythloday
131 That sane mind thinks that we can't have Billingsley and Kershaw on the same team. Maybe he thinks they'll cancel out each other's mojo a la Prior and Wood.
2007-06-29 14:02:03
138.   StolenMonkey86
what I meant to say was follows, but I didn't.
2007-06-29 14:02:06
139.   Marty
134 I wouldn't be surprised if I'm as old as that whippersnapper's grandma.
2007-06-29 14:04:08
140.   Gen3Blue
The D's certainly don't need a Texiera at this point in their rebuilding. It would be ludicrous to give any good prospects for a common commodity that can be bought.

I'm not down on all trades as I perhaps once was, a bit too fanatical.But only for a young pos. player who is really superior, and not a first baseman. We are in the catbird seat as someone once said, and shouldn't be looking to solve anyones salary problem and need for young players for them, unless very much on our terms.

Start a suicide watch if anything like what I've heard goes down.

2007-06-29 14:12:21
141.   blue22
...Nomar Garciaparra who has more children than homers this year.


2007-06-29 14:13:59
142.   ToyCannon
If we trade something for Gagne when we have Meloan doing what he is doing, I'll be a tad upset.

I'm a bigger Texiera fan then most here but he is clearly redundant with Loney now entrenched, unless Ned wants to give him a shot at his natural 3b position. As I recall he was moved to 1st base not because of any defensive shortcoming but because Blalock was already there. I don't see that happening so I expect if the Dodgers really are following Texas they are looking at other players. Millwood has been a disaster this year but he is normally a solid pitcher with a large contract so maybe they are thinking of unloading him. The price should be small.

2007-06-29 14:33:43
143.   Bluebleeder87
ItD has a ton of posts wow.

does the pecota computer think we'll win today?

2007-06-29 14:34:04
144.   JoeyP
Shockingly the Dodgers have outpaced the BP Pecota projection by a > margin then any other team. How is that possible you ask with the miserable performances of Pierre/Nomar/Furcal/Schmidt?

Furcal/Pierre must not be that far off their Pecota projections.

Lowe/Penny/Martin are carrying the entire team more than anyone thought they would/could.

2007-06-29 14:37:32
145.   regfairfield
144 They aren't. PECOTA thought very little of the Dodgers staff, and that's pretty much the difference.
2007-06-29 14:37:59
146.   TheDictator
so, will Bradley be in the lineup tonight agains the Dodgers?
2007-06-29 14:40:03
147.   D4P
The airline lost my luggage last night. It just got delivered to my house, and now reaks with cigarette smoke.
2007-06-29 14:45:44
148.   Dodgers49
135. After all, according to Ned he's just a middle reliever.

I'm not so sure that's what Ned was saying at all. I interpreted his statement to mean he may need to find a middle reliever who would perform as well as Billingsley had in that role.

2007-06-29 14:46:54
149.   NorCal-Dodger
142 Maybe we are targetting a swap with JP for Kenny Lofton, who also has more HR's than Nomar.
2007-06-29 14:47:56
150.   Bob Timmermann
Bradley is not expected to play before Sunday.

I'm guessing that Milton will not get a warm reception from the Dodger Stadium crowd. And I expect the LF area to have a lot of security.

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2007-06-29 14:53:16
151.   regfairfield
149 Since I'm pretty sure Jon Daniels doesn't have brain damage, he won't do that.
2007-06-29 14:55:27
152.   Bluebleeder87
i was just doing some mental inventory & to my surprise i have nothing against Bradley he's what ever to me, but for some reason JD Drew really erks me, i'll be a typical idiot fan & boo him to no end or maybe not i havent made up my mind yet.
2007-06-29 15:07:49
153.   ToyCannon
He might have a little brain damage since it was his terrible trade that gave the Padres C Young and A Gonzalez for a middle reliever and a one year rental of a lousy pitcher.
2007-06-29 15:12:46
154.   hernari
Furcal, SS

Pierre, CF

Martin, C

Kent, 2B

Gonzo, LF

Nomar, 3B

Loney, 1B

Kemp, RF

Kuo, P

2007-06-29 15:13:48
155.   underdog
153 Good point - that's clearly now one of the worst trades in recent memory. Unfortunately to one of our division rivals.
2007-06-29 15:14:02
156.   jasonungar07
yah he is not getting his adrian back. We got him now in Loney. (hopefully, huh?)
2007-06-29 15:15:16
157.   Dodgers49
I'll be interested to see how Kemp is used over the next few days. Grady started Ethier against all three of the right handers in AZ. We won't see another left handed starter for at least five days. San Diego will throw three right handers at us and the Braves will lead off with John Smoltz followed by Kyle Davies (not sure who will pitch the last two games of the Braves series).
2007-06-29 15:16:04
158.   ToyCannon
Nothing like sitting on the bench and getting moved back up in the lineup. I wonder how many teams have their 2nd/3rd best hitters batting 7th and 8th?
2007-06-29 15:18:11
159.   Dodgers49
154. I posted a moment too soon. :-) Happy to see my man Kemp in there even if he is batting 8th.
2007-06-29 15:19:22
160.   StolenMonkey86
158 - and don't forget Kuo in the 9 hole.
2007-06-29 15:19:32
161.   NorCal-Dodger
Should be
2007-06-29 15:19:46
162.   D4P
It would be nice to have some Dodger bigwig explain why Pierre should bat 2nd while Kemp should bat 8th.
2007-06-29 15:24:49
163.   Bumsrap
162 - It would be nice to have some Dodger bigwig explain why Pierre should bat while Kemp should bat 8th

Only a minor one word change

2007-06-29 15:24:54
164.   xaphor
Kemp will see better pitches in the 8th spot being protected by Kuo and his 1000 OPS.
2007-06-29 15:25:53
165.   StolenMonkey86
1) Because Ned Colletti intended the player for the top of the lineup. It's his defined role.

2) Because Kemp is a more versatile hitter.

3) Because otherwise you'd have 3 lefthanders in a row, and they might get away with using a LOOGY for a whole inning.

4) Because Juan Pierre will cry if he bats 8th again.

2007-06-29 15:26:06
166.   underdog
It would be nice to have some Dodger bigwig explain why Pierre.
2007-06-29 15:26:59
167.   ToyCannon
That's simple. Kemp will swing and miss time to time but JP will swing and put the ball in play all the time and that is a heck of a lot more important then actually getting on base.
2007-06-29 15:28:00
168.   Bumsrap

Abrue--3rd, ss, 2b, sit, 3b, ss, 2b, sit

Kemp--cf, cf, cf, sit, cf, cf, cf, sit

2007-06-29 15:28:10
169.   Dodgers49
161. Unless "Should be" is leading off there are only eight players in your lineup. :-)
2007-06-29 15:28:20
170.   StolenMonkey86
I imagine the bold words in a huge font like on one of those inspirational posters.

Although #4 sounds more like it's from

2007-06-29 15:29:06
171.   StolenMonkey86
2007-06-29 15:31:51
172.   Greg Brock
Nice to see one of our only home run threats will bat eighth. He should see tons of pitches hitting in front of the pitcher.
2007-06-29 15:31:59
173.   Bumsrap
169 - Padres get Bradley, Dodgers get Should Be.

The Dodgers like prospects or so it sounds.

2007-06-29 15:35:32
174.   Bumsrap
Maybe Colletti gives Little a pre-printed lineup card with only two empty spaces for Little to play with.
2007-06-29 15:35:57
175.   ToyCannon
My emotional batting order:
Furcal - grimace
Pierre - despair
Martin - unrestrained joy
Kent - blank stare
Gonzo - surprise
Nomar - ulcer pain
Loney - giddines
Kemp - anticipation
2007-06-29 15:37:43
176.   ssjames
175 I have more giddiness for Martin, and more unrestrained joy for Loney, although I can definitely agree with the rest of them.
2007-06-29 15:39:01
177.   Bob Timmermann
Hope y'all enjoy the game tonight. I'm spending the night at the Greek Theatre for the Allison Krauss concert.
2007-06-29 15:40:25
178.   NorCal-Dodger
Forgot Gonzo in the 6th spot ahead of Kemp for now....

Or we obtaind a true Lead-Off Batter that "Should Be" able to hit for average, and has speed and can field, and not be named Juan.

2007-06-29 15:43:44
179.   jasonungar07
oh man that is funny. 175
2007-06-29 15:44:12
180.   D4P
I'm spending the night at the Greek Theatre for the Allison Krauss concert

What are the sleeping arrangements?

2007-06-29 15:45:57
181.   Borchard504
Allison Krauss and Union Station... very classy stuff. Done that back in 2005. What a beautiful voice.
2007-06-29 15:49:18
182.   underdog
Interestingly, as someone pointed out on ItD, Andre Ethier is one of the few Dodgers with good numbers against Young. 4 for 12 (2 HR's) (!) And he sits. Of course, I'm glad Kemp is playing, too. But YouKnowWho should really be the one sitting. But why get an ulcer worrying about this too much, whatever, I hope these guys can take 2 of 3 from the Pads.
2007-06-29 15:54:03
183.   jasonungar07
If only Derek Lowe had speed on the bases.

Better OBP, better bunter, more power. He can throw.

2007-06-29 15:58:44
184.   Bob Timmermann
I hear the benches at the Greek are mighty comfy.
2007-06-29 15:59:21
185.   Hythloday
184 - They're Spartan at best.
2007-06-29 16:16:38
186.   jasonungar07
June #s avg obp slug ops

Kemp .419 .457 .512 .968

Ethier .297 .423 .469 .892

Furcal .222 .282 .306 .588

Pierre .265 .299 .304 .603

Nomar .211 .228 .237 .465

Gonzo .321 .418 .595 1.014

Kent .250 .355 .388 .742

Wilson .200 .349 .457 .806

Abreu .278 .318 .430 .748

Loney .476 .500 .881 1.381

Martin .290 .330 .495 .825

2007-06-29 16:18:59
187.   Marty
That Ethier gets on base a lot.
2007-06-29 16:23:02
188.   dzzrtRatt
185 Witty! I feel like I'm among Cambridge dons.
2007-06-29 16:27:27
189.   berkowit28
186 "Wilson"? Who he? You mean Betemit? Someone other than Garciaparra should be known by first name alone?
2007-06-29 16:28:11
190.   dzzrtRatt
I realize this sounds like so much repetitive whining, but what would be so awful about playing Ethier in CF?

I don't get it at some level, perhaps the childish level, i.e. "it's just not fair!"

Pierre deserves to be sat down. Ethier did not. Kemp has certainly played his way past Ethier, but Ethier has played his way past Pierre for weeks. Ethier is a better fielder, and his skills make Pierre's fielding tolerable. Kemp is not similarly skilled, it doesn't appear. Isn't Gonzo-Pierre-Kemp our worst possible defensive combination for the OF?

I understand what a great fabulous guy Juan Pierre is. What Little ought to do is bench him, then nominate him for the Nobel Peace Prize. If he did that, he could be Manager of the Year.

2007-06-29 16:31:45
191.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 190

Well, if those numbers Jon earlier quoted are correct, we may be under-rating Pierre's defense. I'm not sure Either's lack of raw speed suits him well in CF, although his bat might be good enough that it'll wipe out the differential between his and Pierre's defense.

Now, Kemp does have the raw speed to play CF, but from his time there last season, I don't think he has the instincts for it. At least, right now he doesn't.


2007-06-29 16:31:55
192.   jasonungar07
It was all about making the columns line up. Wilson fits...I guess I could have just said, Meat.
2007-06-29 16:34:08
193.   underdog
Those of you who are NBA fans and were into the draft yesterday will enjoy this column on Quite funny.

2007-06-29 16:36:38
194.   Greg Brock
193 You're lucky that address has Simmons in it. Linking to Bill Simmons without warning? That's a stabbin'
2007-06-29 16:36:53
195.   Dodgers49
Catcher broke 'unwritten rule' during perfect game

>>> Ben Davis, a solid 6-foot-4-inch, 215-pound catcher who joined the 51s on Saturday, bunted for a base hit to break up a perfect game by Curt Schilling with one out in the eighth inning of a 3-1 win by the Arizona Diamondbacks over the San Diego Padres on May 26, 2001. <<<

2007-06-29 16:39:32
196.   Linkmeister
Allison Krauss performed "The Boxer" in the 1st annual Gershwin Award ceremony honoring Paul Simon that was shown on PBS Wednesday night.
2007-06-29 16:43:20
197.   underdog
194 You're right! I wanted to be safe, though all that aside, I did find that column amusing. Despite myself.
2007-06-29 16:46:11
198.   underdog
Man, except for Delwyn Young and a few other players, the 51s are pretty terrible now.

Say, DYoung had 3 doubles in a 5-5 game the other day. Not too shabby. Should get a Sept call up.

2007-06-29 16:47:40
199.   Marty
The Soul of Baseball votes for Martin:
2007-06-29 16:52:12
200.   Kevin Lewis

I am amazed at how well Gonzo is doing (and I am happy for him). Does anyone know why he didn't take the original two year deal from Ned? Worked out for us.

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2007-06-29 16:54:45
201.   bigcpa
200 As I recall the offer was 2 yrs for $10-11M or 1 yr $7M. He'll look smart when he gets $9M from us next year.
2007-06-29 17:01:46
202.   Nagman
201 Isn't Gonzo supposed to be a "bridge" to Kemp? Hopefully that bridge will have been crossed and there will be another buyer for that bridge by the offseason.
2007-06-29 17:07:56
203.   Bluebleeder87
well i'm getting ready to head out to Dodger Stadium catch you guys later, hopefully we'll get a W today.
2007-06-29 17:10:24
204.   imperabo
190 That's crazy. Pierre doesn't qualify for the Nobel Peace Prize. That award is for african women who plant trees and believe that aids was engineered by the white devil.
2007-06-29 17:13:20
205.   Greg Brock
Some of the more salty folks here might appreciate this letter to the editor. Some of the whippersnappers may as well.

2007-06-29 17:26:59
206.   Andrew Shimmin
192- It's a cartoon, but there are adult themes and a dirty word, so, use your own judgment about whether it's SFW:

2007-06-29 17:56:46
207.   natepurcell
anyone saw that Merlin was DFA?
2007-06-29 17:57:13
208.   natepurcell
the minotaur had a pretty bad start today.
2007-06-29 18:01:07
209.   regfairfield
207 Where?
2007-06-29 18:01:19
210.   Marty
It's because you keep talking about him Nate!
2007-06-29 18:02:52
211.   Andrew Shimmin
Is Tsao ready yet?
2007-06-29 18:05:07
212.   willhite
Diamond Leung's blog has Tsao in, Anderson out.
2007-06-29 18:07:16
213.   Eric Enders
211 I think he's pitched two games in Vegas, which is two too many if you ask me. Even a rusty, rehabbing Tsao is better than the Tomkovian garbage we were forced to endure last night.

I'f it's true that they're DFAing Anderson instead of Tomko, I'm disappointed. Neither is helping much but at least Anderson isn't actively sabotaging the team. Hopefully they come to their senses and trade out Tomko for Meloan soon.

2007-06-29 18:07:51
214.   underdog
I'm glad to see Tsao back - we really need another arm in the 'pen. I do feel a little bad for Marlon Anderson, though. Dunno why, but I do. May he find another home somewhere. Kind of wish we could then call yet another arm up - Houlton or Meloan - and say sayonara to Tomko, too. But that's in the Beating a Dead Horse Dept.
2007-06-29 18:08:19
215.   underdog
Or what Eric said.


2007-06-29 18:09:38
216.   Marty
If nothing else, we can thank Marlon for 4+1.
2007-06-29 18:11:56
217.   Eric Enders
The other lineup tonight:
RF Brian Giles
2B Marcus Giles
1B Adrian Gonzalez
CF Mike Cameron
C Michael Barrett
SS Khalil Greene
3B Kevin Kouzmanoff
LF Jose Cruz Jr.
P Chris Young
2007-06-29 18:14:30
218.   fanerman
No Milton?
2007-06-29 18:15:51
219.   blutomania

Bud Black is really doing a nice job with that caliber lineup.

2007-06-29 18:16:12
220.   Eric Enders
Anderson is the Xth player Colletti has traded for and then proceeded to release.

I think 'X' is four. Carter, Hall, Clark, Anderson. Am I forgetting anyone?

2007-06-29 18:18:09
221.   natepurcell
yossandy garcia hit another homerun today. through 21 ABs, he has an interesting line of



other notables...

baez 3-5 2b avg 351

lambo 0-4 k bb (2k:6bb)

orr 1-4 hr(2) k

2007-06-29 18:19:32
222.   Marty
220 He also traded Baez and Seo away after trading for them.
2007-06-29 18:20:38
223.   Eric Enders
By the way, my guess is that Abreu's reprieve will last only a couple of days, until Lucille II is ready.
2007-06-29 18:21:59
224.   berkowit28
209 Blue Notes (LA Times blog):

And yes, because Tsao is activated tonight.

2007-06-29 18:22:22
225.   Eric Enders
222 I know, I was just talking about guys who were released -- in other words, were attractive enough to trade for but ended up so bad that they were untradeable.

Although I guess they could still trade Anderson.

2007-06-29 18:23:32
226.   Andrew Shimmin
DT is rated G for general audiences. FJM is rated NC-17.

2007-06-29 18:26:19
227.   Eric Enders
226 Oh, man, that's hilarious.
"This rating was determined based on the presence of the following words:
hurt (3x) steal (2x) slap (1x)"

On DodgerBlues, meanwhile, "No bad words were found."

2007-06-29 18:27:59
228.   Andrew Shimmin
Ben Kozlowski was what he got back for Cody Ross. Was Kozlowski drafted away, or released?
2007-06-29 18:29:05
229.   Eric Enders, meanwhile, is rated "G for general audiences." The only objection was the use of the word "sex."
2007-06-29 18:37:13
230.   Daniel Zappala
221 You think you're such a hotshot when it comes to prospects. You wouldn't even know about Yossandy Garcia except I brought him up. :-)
2007-06-29 18:38:38
231.   overkill94
YOu guys are slipping with Bob away, Aubrey Huff just hit for the cycle when it was at a Red Alert. You will all be punished later.
2007-06-29 18:40:31
232.   Daniel Zappala
But we only do that to pacify Bob, and he's not here tonight.
2007-06-29 18:41:42
233.   Indiana Jon
I've been trying to see Kershaw pitch while he's in the area near here, but it's becoming difficult. I was in Ft. Wayne this week, but they got rained out. Today they moved back to Michigan and he pitched there. Looking at the schedule, he should pitch again on the 4th of July in Dayton. Unfortunately for me, I just found out from the staff of the Dayton Dragons that according to them, they have been sold out for the last 7 years and are the 10th hardest sporting event to get tickets to in the nation. How was I suppose to know? Ebay here I come.
2007-06-29 18:44:28
234.   natepurcell

how one earth is a low single A game a hot ticket?

2007-06-29 18:53:00
235.   Eric Enders
A quick check of internet scalping sites reveals that most of them are sold out of Dayton Dragons tickets. However, at you can get a general admission spot on the outfield lawn for $50.

Is there live nude dancing at these games, or what?

Incidentally, there's been a new post up top for quite some time but I don't think anybody's noticed it.

2007-06-29 19:00:43
236.   Indiana Jon
234 I have no idea. 7 years straight of sellouts is unbelievable.
2007-06-29 19:03:45
237.   Eric Enders
I think quite a few minor league teams have had several consecutive years of sellouts, usually when the team first comes into existence, or gets a new ballpark. The Sacramento RiverCats and the Lowell Spinners are two that come to mind.
2007-06-29 19:34:01
238.   Andrew Shimmin
Is there live nude dancing at these games, or what?

It's a real nice way to spend a day in Dayton, Ohio, on a lazy Sunday afternoon (1903).

2007-06-29 19:45:44
239.   The Rabbits Rarely Loose
Im glad we already have an inconsistant strike zone
2007-06-29 19:50:25
240.   The Rabbits Rarely Loose
Eric Byrnes wouldnt have even needed to dive on that ball . .
2007-06-29 19:53:13
241.   skybluestoday
Re: 123

I'm a little late, but I laughed out loud at your post, because if you asked my friends, they would swear that I use three of your grammy's expressions all the time: "couplethree," "GEE-tar," and "Are you hungry? Do you want me to fix you something to eat?"

I'm only 39, but I love my old-school ruralisms.

2007-06-29 19:55:33
242.   The Rabbits Rarely Loose
If it wasnt for Jason Jennings . . Young would win the competition for largest thighs in the league.
2007-06-30 14:55:19
243.   jmodlin
I know this is late because the D-backs series is over and we've already started the series with the Padres but does anyone else laugh as hard as I do when Vin Scully calls Orlando Hudson "O-Dog"?

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