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Dogger Talk
2007-07-26 18:09
by Jon Weisman

Vin Scully, on the Colorado infield grass that smothered a Juan Pierre infield single:

"Holy mackerel, you could lose a poodle out there!"

* * *

Takashi Saito, pitch-by-pitch, ninth inning, Dodgers leading at Colorado, 5-4:

vs. Ryan Spilborghs
0-0 fastball, called strike
0-1 curve, fly out to left field

vs. Cory Sullivan
0-0 fastball, groundout to shortstop

vs. Kazuo Matsui
0-0 fastball, called strike
0-1 fastball, just outside
1-1 curve, fouled back
1-2 fastball, high and outside
2-2 curve, just missed outside
3-2 way outside, ball four

vs. Matt Holliday
0-0 fastball, swung on and missed
0-1 slider, grounded foul
0-2 slider, swung on and missed

12 pitches, four balls, eight strikes

* * *

Brad Penny left after six innings and 90 pitches because of a cramp.

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2007-07-26 21:09:17
1.   JT Dutch
... Gameday sayeth that pitches 2 and 5 to Matsui were on the outside edge.
2007-07-26 21:09:39
2.   Joshua Worley
I only now realize that the name of this post is "Dogger Talk", not "Dodger Talk". Good title.

I guess you could have lost a mackerel in that grass too.

2007-07-26 21:10:30
3.   Eric Stephen
Living in San Diego, I watch the Dodgers on Extra Innings. Tonight was my 4th straight Vin-less game (although he didn't make the trip to Houston, and Jim Deshaies is a great announcer), and it looks like since the Dodgers are on KCAL through Sunday I won't hear Vin until next Tuesday.

I'm going through withdrawals.

2007-07-26 21:12:32
4.   Eric Stephen
I'd like to add that I really don't care for Rockies' color man and former Dodger World Series hero George Frazier. And I have to listen to him for the next 3 games in Colorado.
2007-07-26 21:13:23
5.   Jon Weisman
1 - So, you mean, my eyes weren't deceiving me?
2007-07-26 21:16:20
6.   Nagman
3 I live in North County and watch the Dodgers mostly on EI... but I also have a UHF antenna on my roof and I can pick up KCAL-DT (their HD channel) so I do get to watch KCAL games. The good = Vin + HD! The bad = I lose the signal every now and then but just for short periods, usually right when the batter swings with the bases loaded in a close game.
2007-07-26 21:16:53
7.   JT Dutch

... Hahaha. I actually was arguing with my fiancee about the location of those two pitches; I had to go on and prove her wrong!

Man, I'm glad they won this game; I can forget most of the details, now.

2007-07-26 21:17:27
8.   Robert Daeley
From a Royals blogger.

"With or without a Dotel trade at this year's trading deadline, I'm extremely optimistic about 2008. If the Royals finish worse than 3rd in the AL Central, I'll be disappointed."

Talk about your different expectations. :)

Oh, and speaking of different expectations, he wants Andy LaRoche, Scott Elbert, and a "marginal third player" for Dotel.

2007-07-26 21:20:58
9.   Bob Timmermann
The tour guide at Busch Stadium described Jack Buck and Mike Shannon as the greatest radio team in baseball history.

I will offer that with these caveats:
1) Buck and Shannon worked together
2) Shannon is not working now as his wife is gravely ill.

2007-07-26 21:24:03
10.   Eric Stephen
9 Bob, was it hard to hear the tour guide over the laughter after that description?
2007-07-26 21:26:27
11.   JT Dutch

... I'll say that the Dodger games that stand out as my favorites, from a broadcasting standpoint, were those games done with Vin and Don Drysdale alternating three-inning periods.

Most of those games come from the 1988 season, which was memorable in its own right -- but there was an easy quality about Drysdale's voice as a broadcaster that really was enjoyable for me. I still miss Big D.

2007-07-26 21:31:59
12.   scooplew
7 With quality time spent together watching baseball as a key ingredient, I foresee a long and happy marriage in the offing. Just don't spend too much energy proving your wife wrong.
2007-07-26 21:33:22
13.   scooplew
The Dodgers now have the best winning percentage in road games in the National League. We and the Braves are the only clubs in the NL with winning percentages at home, on the road, and against all three divisions. (As usual, we won't bring up interleague play.)
2007-07-26 21:41:46
14.   Icaros
Man, a guy has to root for Blownitez now? The world is a cruel place.
2007-07-26 21:46:35
15.   Eric Stephen
Eric Byrnes sends the Padres into 3rd place.
2007-07-26 21:47:05
16.   Andrew Shimmin
I love Eric Byrnes.
2007-07-26 21:48:51
17.   Dodgers49
Notes: Wolf working his way back

>>> Wolf originally was hoping to return to the Dodgers rotation after just one Minor League start. Reading between the lines, it might take more than two. He made 62 pitches, and considering the weary bullpen, the Dodgers really can't afford to put him back into the rotation until he's pushing 100 pitches <<<

2007-07-26 21:53:24
18.   Dodgers49
Tomorrow marks Brett Tomko's third start since he supposedly rediscovered his cut fastball. So, it'll be interesting to see how long the new Tomko can continue to fool'em. :-)
2007-07-26 22:10:06
19.   Louis in SF
Given the tenuous health of the entire Dodger pitching staff, doesn't it make sense by tomorrow to DL either Penny or Lowe, whoever will need more rest and bring up immediately Eric Stultz.

We all know the bullpen will be depleted after Colorado-it is a 4 game series not a 3 gamer! and this way we have another arm if necessary.

2007-07-26 22:14:04
20.   bhsportsguy
9 That's too bad about Shannon's wife.

There was the caveat of the title best radio team.

Since Vin only had a partner during those World Series radio broadcasts in the 80's and 90's, its hard to argue Vin should be in the mix.

I enjoyed Dick Enberg and Big D (were they a team or did they just take turns?)

2007-07-26 22:16:22
21.   bhsportsguy
3 I would be interested in heading down to San Diego for that last series do you think there are nice tickets available?

DT Road trip anyone?

2007-07-26 22:19:28
22.   Eric L
18 I'll bring up an oft-repeated rant of mine..

If it was that easy for a mediocre or below-average pitcher to become good by "rediscovering" a lost pitch, changing their position on the rubber, visiting a sports psychologist, or eating chicken bones than we wouldn't have bad pitchers.

I know it isn't good PR, but bad pitchers have good stretches and good pitchers have bad stretches from time to time. I know the manager or pitching coach can't say "Brett hasn't been very good for us the last 2 years, but he's pitching well and we're going to ride it out until he performs otherwise"

It's still a heck of a lot better than the usual garbage that coaches spew out of their mouths.

/end rant

2007-07-26 22:20:17
23.   NorCal-Dodger
20 I thought I recall Drysdale went to work for the Angels with Enberg, who also called the Rams. And we had Scully and Jerry Dogget, then several years later Ross Prter came along?
2007-07-26 22:25:14
24.   silverwidow
Sell high on Delwyn Young! He hit his 43rd double tonight and is hitting .350 with a 1.004 OPS. He needs to be the centerpiece in any deal.
2007-07-26 22:29:53
25.   Eric Stephen
21 Plenty of seats left for the Saturday, September 1 game. Field level seats even. 7:05 start time.
2007-07-26 22:37:50
26.   Icaros
DENVER (AP) -- Brad Penny just wanted a minute to catch his breath. The next thing he knew he was being escorted out of the game by trainers.

"I could've stayed in," Penny said after the Los Angeles Dodgers' 5-4 win over the Colorado Rockies on Thursday night. "I'm like, 'I'm fine.' They're like, 'No."

Like, good news, I guess.

2007-07-26 22:41:29
27.   Linkmeister
I thought Valleyspeak was passé!
2007-07-26 22:46:14
28.   Daniel Zappala
OT: I find it really distasteful when athletes hold out over a contract extension. I can understand holding out when you haven't yet signed a contract, since you might get injured and you're not being paid to do anything. But Mark Bulger is in the last year of his contract, paying him about $5 million this year. He ought to report for work while his agent works on a contract extension.
2007-07-26 22:48:52
29.   silverwidow
28-Speaking of the Rams, I REALLY hope to get Steven Jackson in my fantasy draft next month.
2007-07-26 22:52:46
30.   Some Guy in San Diego
Funny, I was just reading about Bugler. Rams fan? I think it's o.k. for him to miss a few days, it's not like he's lobbing verbal bombs at the team. He's certainly worth much more in the current NFL.
2007-07-26 22:53:20
31.   Some Guy in San Diego
Much more concerned about getting Carriker signed early.
2007-07-26 22:55:29
32.   Daniel Zappala
Big Rams fan. I was crushed when the moved out of OC (they should have stayed in LA), and felt the owner abandoned the fans, but I was still ecstatic when they won the Super Bowl. I somehow can't shake my affection for the team, and always keep up with them. If they put a new team in LA, or maybe Utah, I might switch allegiances.
2007-07-26 22:56:12
33.   silverwidow
Niners WILL make the playoffs this year. Love their young weapons + DJax.
2007-07-26 22:56:12
34.   Daniel Zappala
Yeah, I'd like to see Carriker in camp ASAP. They're relying on him a lot this year as a rookie. Wonder who's going to sign Simeon Rice?
2007-07-26 22:57:45
35.   Aug C
I think in any other sport, it's distaseteful, but not in football... not when teams can cut players at any point. I mean, teams regularly tell players that unless they restructure their "contracts," they'll be cut. If teams have the ability to force you to take less money than they promised you, you should do whatever it takes to fight for your right to take more money than you promised to take.
2007-07-26 23:00:03
36.   Some Guy in San Diego
I attended many a Rams game at the big A... what awful sightlines back then. Glad they did it right for baseball.
Rams are going to be good this year, I'm still not buying on Alex Smith. I believe the Rams will overtake the Seahawks, with a chance that the Hawks take a big dive and Arizona jumps into second (qualifier.. USC guy.. big Lienart fan).
2007-07-26 23:05:23
37.   underdog
Saw the rest of the game after pausing it in the top of the 8th, played soccer, came back, sweated even more than I did playing soccer, and... exhale. Great to see Sammy back and in pretty darned good form, too. What a difference he makes. Also great to hear Penny's problem was just a cramp and we don't have to DL another pitcher. I figured that's what it was but good to have it confirmed. So if this wasn't a pretty win, it had some positives, like, fersure. And a win's a win.

Man, Loney's brainfart at 1st base was frustrating. C'mon James, don't leave a place on your shelf for that gold glove award until you can remember to get your foot on the bag before catching the ball.

But anyway, nice to get the W and I'll "see" y'all this weekend.

2007-07-26 23:10:21
38.   Greg Brock
Since the Rams left, my NFL watching is at maybe three games a year. Brooklyn fans were waaaaaah when the Dodgers left, but nobody outside LA/OC cared about the Rams leaving town. That really hurt.

Where's our weepy documentary?

2007-07-26 23:37:53
39.   Dodgers49
Lowe optimistic about injury.

He doesn't expect to miss a start because of strained groin.

2007-07-26 23:52:03
40.   underdog
I appreciated this sensible quote from Randy Wolf in that same article:
>>>Of being sidelined at a time when the arm-weary Dodgers need him most, Wolf said, "It's hard. At the same time, you have to realize we do have 60 games left and you don't want to burn the first 20 and then be running on blanks in the last 40. You've got to be smart with it. As hard as it is mentally and emotionally for me to be on the DL right now, you've got to do the right thing."
2007-07-26 23:53:30
41.   underdog
Even though I don't always trust ESPN's Jayson Stark, this was interesting too (from
"Octavio Dotel is almost a lock to be traded, and Chin-Lung Hu remains a possibility. Stark adds that Dodgers GM Ned Colletti scouted reliever John Malone, which I think means Jonathan Meloan. The 23 year-old Meloan throws in the low 90s with a hard slider; he commands his fastball well but carries some health concerns."
2007-07-27 00:02:08
42.   Greg Brock
41 There was a young Mets prospect names Yusmeiro Petite (peh-tee) who, for many years, absolutely dominated the minor leagues, and nobody could explain how. His stuff wasn't even mediocre. He went to the Marlins in the LoDuca deal, Made it to the big club, and got lit up like a Christmas tree.

Meloan is not this guy. He has great stuff, great headline numbers, and great peripherals. Why in Choi's name is Colletti scouting Meloan? Hey, Mustache, he's good. Really good. Just bring him up already.

2007-07-27 00:23:53
43.   Greg Brock
I don't understand people. I really believe Michael Vick could walk away from this Dogfighting thing smelling as a rose.

1) Distribute 5 million dollars between the ASPCA, PETA, and other animal advocacy groups.

2) Talk about how his southern upbringing and exposure to dogfighting/cockfighting made him insensitive to the plight of animals, and how he now sees the sadistic nature of using animals as play things (he doesn't even have to believe it).

3) Become an advocate for animals (he doesn't have to really believe it).

4) Beg for mercy, and claim that his new efforts will do a thousand times more good than punishing him. Say that the work he will do will save thousands of animals, and that his prior misdeeds will be exceeded by his new activism.

5) Win

2007-07-27 00:28:49
44.   Eric Enders
42 In case you lost track of Mr. Petit, he's now pitching outstanding ball in the majors for the Diamondbacks.

I suppose this was noted in the game thread, but tonight was a really unusual game for the Dodgers in that the 26-and-under club was a collective 0-for-13, but the 29-and-over geezers were 7 for 19 and produced all the runs.

2007-07-27 00:34:17
45.   Greg Brock
44 Sample size...The DT Mantra. He's pitched five games. Five.
2007-07-27 00:35:45
46.   Eric Enders
True. Although he's already pitched more innings than the year he got lit up.
2007-07-27 00:38:34
47.   Greg Brock
46 If you're being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian, I applaud. But if you think Petit is anything more than a fringe 4 or 5...Come on man, you are one of the mega smart dudes around here. I know you don't think that.
2007-07-27 03:56:51
48.   bhsportsguy
When the Dodgers woke up the morning of July 28, 2006, they were staring up to the San Diego Padres who had a 54-47 record and a 7 1/2 game lead over the Dodgers who had just lost their 8th straight game a few days before.

When the Dodgers wake up today, Friday July 27, 2007, the Padres have the same 54-47 record, but are now in third place, 2 games behind the Dodgers with their 57-46 record.

The Dodgers are 9 1/2 games better than they were last year but remember, they are now about to hit that period where the Dodgers rolled out a 19-3 record, so watch those comparisons to last year.

2007-07-27 04:08:07
49.   D4P
All publicity is good publicity.

I say punish him* and fine him 5 million dollars to be distributed between the ASPCA, PETA, and other animal advocacy groups.

*Perhaps by throwing him in a pit of wild dogs

2007-07-27 05:10:58
50.   StolenMonkey86
Why in Choi's name is Colletti scouting Meloan?

Well keep in mind he also scouted Maddux when he could have just looked at DIPS.

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2007-07-27 07:13:00
51.   Daniel Zappala
43 A lot of celebrities could use you.
2007-07-27 07:24:03
52.   Penarol1916
So I was at Comiskey yesterday (very exciting game by the way, I really like Danks, but Verlander was not as dominating as I had hoped) and I just wanted to ask a question based on what I saw. Is it unusual for a 5-year old to have hair all over his back?
2007-07-27 07:24:59
53.   D4P
Is it unusual for a 5-year old to have hair all over his back?

A 5-year old what...?

2007-07-27 07:30:37
54.   Penarol1916
53. Boy. It was odd, because the hair on his head was blond, but the hair on his back was very dark.
2007-07-27 07:31:00
55.   Bob Timmermann
A 5-year old human should not be hairy except on his/her head.

Maybe it was just a really short adult.

2007-07-27 07:34:06
56.   ToyCannon
I missed the game last night, how did Betemit look at 2nd?

My best friend's nickname is Bear and for a very good reason. I'll check with him on the hair at 5 thing.

2007-07-27 07:37:38
57.   D4P
I bet this guy was hairy at the age of 5:

2007-07-27 07:39:11
58.   bhsportsguy
Two thoughts:
1. Wondering if they are thinking if Wilson can play adequate at second base, would they move Tony Abreu since they might feel that they will need Betemit's power to replace what Jeff Kent brings to the lineup.
2. When they get the rotation settled, I do think that Meloan will get a shot and maybe even a tryout in that 6th/7th inning role.
2007-07-27 07:42:56
59.   Penarol1916
55. No, I was sitting behind him and his parents, definately a little kid, especially when his mom yelled at him for taking off his shirt. I don't know why she was embarassed, she was wallking around in those little short shorts with SLUT spelled out on the seat.
2007-07-27 07:49:38
60.   D4P
they might feel that they will need Betemit's power to replace what Jeff Kent brings to the lineup

But isn't it very likely that Kent will be back next year...?

2007-07-27 08:18:31
61.   Bumsrap
Or, maybe one of the Dodgers trade partners want to know how well Betemit can play second.

If Colletti is close to trading for Dotel he probably wants to see for himself if Meloan makes that trade unnecessary.

If Tiexiera goes to a NL team he could take the rest of the year to adjust to NL pitching.

Loney was jumping off first to get into better fielding position after holding the runner and had to keep his eye on the throw before he could get his foot on the base. He had a runner coming at him. The throw was below his knees so he had to open his stance a little to catch it. That's the excuse if not the reason.

While I like Kent saying something to Loney about hotdogging, I wonder who says something to the veterans when they get thrown out at third or watch a ball drop at their feet in the outfield while they decide who should catch it?

2007-07-27 08:25:19
62.   El Lay Dave
60 or maybe just to replace Kent's bat on the days he is rested this season (and next?).
2007-07-27 08:33:07
63.   JoeyP
28--Bulger is reporting to work and will practice today. Also, Adam Carriker signed as well.

2007-07-27 08:48:42
64.   El Lay Dave
When I attended my first Rams game, they still wore blue and white uniforms, Roman Gabriel was the QB, Tommy Prothro the head coach, J. T. Snow's father the leading WR, the D-Line was transitioning from the famed Fearsome Foursome to the Youngblood/Brooks anchored lines, the O-Line still featured Cowan, Mack, Scibelli and Iman, and my fellow Coliseum attendees did not don spiked costumes and the like.
2007-07-27 08:49:43
65.   JoeyP
Bulger signed a 6yr/60 mils deal.
26 mils guaranteed money.
2007-07-27 08:54:17
66.   GobiasIndustries
Were you at the circus?
2007-07-27 09:00:11
67.   Eric Stephen
61 If Tiexiera goes to a NL team he could take the rest of the year to adjust to NL pitching

Is this really true anymore? I don't know the answer, but it seems that the distinction between leagues is less prevalent in the free agency era.

And if there is a difference in pitching between the AL and NL, how much of it is because of the DH?

2007-07-27 09:04:08
68.   Bumsrap
If the Dodgers are thinking about bringing up LaRoche are they also thinking that Betemit could be the utility player and Martinez would be the player that makes room for LaRoche?

Has Hull pitched well enough that he stays instead of obtaining the likes of Proctor?

Could Meloan be the 7th inning guy?

With Lowe and Penny and Saito and Wolf part of the mix and all off the injured list, with Tomko and Bills doing well, with Hull being effective, I don't think the Dodgers will make a trade.

2007-07-27 09:04:16
69.   Penarol1916
66. No, White Sox/Tigers.
2007-07-27 09:07:04
70.   Bumsrap
67 - I don't know the answer but it is something to consider since Tiexiera is most likely a rental.
2007-07-27 09:11:15
71.   Marty
I thought I read somewhere Drew being quoted that he was having trouble making the adjustment from NL to AL.
2007-07-27 09:14:07
72.   twerp
Between time and ISP issues, I'm not sure if this has been posted. If so, sorry===

NEW YORK (July 26) - A day after Barry Bonds called him a "little midget man who knows (nothing) about baseball," broadcaster Bob Costas said he wasn't upset with the San Francisco Giants slugger and responded with a jab of his own.

"As anyone can plainly see, I'm 5-6 1/2 and a strapping 150, and unlike some people, I came by all of it naturally," Costas said Thursday in a telephone interview

2007-07-27 09:15:07
73.   Bumsrap
69 - Tiger mascot?
2007-07-27 09:18:29
74.   regfairfield
70 He'd be here for 2008 as well.
2007-07-27 09:18:46
75.   Penarol1916
73. Come on, it was a shirtless kid, of course it was White Sox fans.
2007-07-27 09:19:56
76.   Bumsrap
72 - Whatever the appropriate response is to a new record by fans, Selig, Costas, and the announcers, it appears that Bond's peers are also having difficulty with how they want to respond. Then again, maybe Bond's doesn't have any peers.
2007-07-27 09:21:43
77.   underdog
I was assuming, and maybe naively, that Colletti was scouting Meloan to see how close he was to being able to contribute to the major league club. If he likes what he sees, then maybe they don't trade for a reliever. I still have this gut feeling the Dodgers try to trade for a starter, not a reliever.

This was another tidbit, this from Ken Rosenthal (again, giving it the FWIW label):
"Parties interested in Zack Greinke: Diamondbacks, Dodgers, Braves, and Cubs. This gels with Dan Graziano's findings. Of course, trading a player like Greinke requires an equally talented youngster in return."

Also says the DBacks are interested in Dunn.

2007-07-27 09:22:28
78.   underdog
(the above was also from, btw.)
2007-07-27 09:24:03
79.   underdog
From Diamond Leung:
>>How closely is LaRoche's progress being watched by Grady & co.? 9/1 callup at the very least? D. Young also?

Grady Little is well aware of the recent power surge Andy LaRoche has had in the minors of late after recovering from a shoulder injury. "His time will come," Little said, so I think a September call-up is a strong bet.

Regarding Delwyn Young, he has made tremendous strides defensively and is having a strong year at the plate. He projects as a fifth outfielder next season, and we'll see if he heads anywhere come Tuesday. <<

2007-07-27 09:24:45
80.   Greg Brock
77 I'd like Greinke very much. Hu, Young, DeWitt. I'd trade any of those guys for Greinke. 23 year old pitcher with serious stuff? Sign me up!
2007-07-27 09:26:36
81.   Bumsrap
If the Dodgers got Tiexiera and played him at third would that be enough PR to counter trading Nomar to the Angels? In either case I want to keep Loney at first.
2007-07-27 09:31:05
82.   Bumsrap
Before the Dodgers trade Hu shouldn't they extend Nomar's contract?
2007-07-27 09:33:00
83.   El Lay Dave
82 I think you meant Furcal.
2007-07-27 09:33:09
84.   CeyHey10
Notable about this list

(scroll to the bottom)

of the potential HOFers in the next five years is how barren the field looks -- especially in an inflated-stats era. To my thinking, Rickey is the only sure thing on the horizon.

2007-07-27 09:33:15
85.   underdog
80 I agree. Beats a rental of Dotel, that's for sure. If we're gonna trade some youth, bring us back some youth with upside in return.
2007-07-27 09:35:07
86.   ToyCannon
Since the all-star break in 47 at bats Nomar has the following line: 326 .383 .488 .871.
2007-07-27 09:37:13
87.   El Lay Dave
81 I still think Teixeira at 3B is a pipe dream. He played 15 games there as a rookie four years ago, and not well - 7 errors. 21 errors in his 85 career minor league games at 3B in '02, A+ and AA ball combined. A pennant contender is not trading for him and throwing him at 3B cold to make the stretch run.
2007-07-27 09:39:10
88.   kegtron
Cool Papa Lofton may be on his way back to CLE.

2007-07-27 09:40:41
89.   still bevens
86 He also had some looooong singles in Houston and one last night. He's at least hitting the ball with more authority than the first half.
2007-07-27 09:42:49
90.   Greg Brock
86 If this holds over the second half, you are going to have gloating material for a long, long time.

Still, two homers and a double in 43 AB's (what ESPN has) isn't knocking socks off. But he's definitely doing better. And that's good.

2007-07-27 09:46:38
91.   jasonungar07
Props to Toy for pulling a Tammy Wynette and standing by his man Nomar. He was about the only one and his patience has paid off lately.
2007-07-27 09:51:08
92.   Robert Daeley
Maybe these were the fan statues McCourt was thinking about:

At the Rogers Centre

2007-07-27 09:52:33
93.   kegtron sounds as if the Dodgers have decided that they're going to tweak their roster with small trades at best, while preferring to hold on to their top prospects. Surprisingly, it seems that Chin-Lung Hu is still on the "available" list.
I listened when a scout talked to me about a Wily Mo Pena for Andy LaRoche deal, but more and more people I've talked to have flat-out laughed at that deal, but more because of what it represents. Prospects like LaRoche are so highly valued, not just for their talent but for their easy affordability that they become nearly impossible to deal.

-Will Carroll

John Perroto contradicts Carroll in the same article.

2007-07-27 09:55:13
94.   ToyCannon
Two weeks doesn't change a season but it does give hope. Gloating material is nice but JoeyP or Eric E will always be around to remind me when I'm wrong.

The more Nomar hits on the road the more he's screwing up his chance to have the biggest home/road splits in LA history.

2007-07-27 09:55:55
95.   D4P
In celebrity news, it's starting to look like "going to jail for motor vehicle violations" is the new pink.
2007-07-27 09:57:23
96.   blue22
Since the AS break, Betemit is at .464/.583/1.047 with a homer, 2 doubles and 4 walks in 24 at-bats. I also like Betemit's defense better than Nomar's at third. I guess having 2 guys playing well is a good problem to have, but it still bothers me that Nomar is getting so much credit for turning things around. Betemit's doing some things as well.
2007-07-27 09:58:54
97.   D4P
It seems pretty clear that the current regime values the types of things Nomar does more than the types of things Betemit does.

And that's really no surprise.

2007-07-27 10:00:29
98.   blue22
97 - But he's hitting .375 since the break too!
2007-07-27 10:02:31
99.   D4P
But he struck out with runners on, while Nomar hit a single.
2007-07-27 10:03:27
100.   ToyCannon
Broken record.
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2007-07-27 10:04:15
101.   Greg Brock
94 I like that possible exchange:

Me: Nomar, stop getting better on the road
Nomar: Huh?
Me: You have a chance at the greatest home/road split in history.
Nomar: Yeah...What?
Me: This is bigger than the team. This is for history.
Nomar: Are you mentally stable?
Me: Not really. But it isn't about that. This is a big deal.
Nomar: Go away
Me: OK. Sorry. Just sayin'. Think about it.

end scene

2007-07-27 10:11:15
102.   Sam DC
I don't the Nationals are likely to give the Dodgers much help vis-a-vis the Mets (re chance of wildcard) this week. Here are the four pitchers they're running out: Mike Bacsik on Friday, Tim Redding and Joel Hanrahan on Saturday's double, Billy Traber on Sunday. Glad to see Hanrahan get his shot, but you've got to figure the Mets put up 35 runs this weekend at least.

And the Nationals are cotemplating a 2-year $10M extension to Dmitri Young to play left field.


2007-07-27 10:14:32
103.   ToyCannon
What ever happened to the Castro kid?

Awesome, old friend Joel Hanrahan gets a shot. Hope this is the beginning to a pension, that is about all he can hope for.

2007-07-27 10:14:47
104.   bryanf
A day in the life of bryanf:

1) Wake up.
2) Go to work.
3) Turn on computer.
4) Open Firefox.
5) Click "Dodger Thoughts" bookmark.
6) Click "Comments".
7) Scroll down.
8) Read.
9) Laugh quietly at various comments while eagerly awaiting a "New Post Up Top" comment.
10) Click "Refresh".
11) Repeat steps 9-10 ad nauseum.
12) Leave work and go home.
13) Sit down at computer.
14) Repeat steps 4-11 ad nauseum.

I don't remember life before DT.

2007-07-27 10:17:31
105.   D4P
Do you "laugh quietly" at home, or do you LOL...?
2007-07-27 10:21:56
106.   Sam DC
103 If we're talking about Bernie Castro who was up last year as a utility guy, he's the everday second baseman at AAA Columbus, OPSing a whopping 711.

If he can keep that number all year, maybe he can get a sponsorship deal.

2007-07-27 10:27:09
107.   bryanf
105 Good point. At home I actually do cackle and my fiancee thinks I'm crazy. Incidentally, I also don't reopen Firefox every time, so my algorithm isn't quite valid. I guess I also forgot the last step: 15) Go to sleep.
2007-07-27 10:28:19
108.   bigcpa
Latest comedy from Will Carroll:

The Dodgers are also very much in the running [for Teixeira], and could likely entice the Rangers to make a deal if they would include pitching prospect Clayton Kershaw in a package with first baseman James Loney and outfielder Andre Ethier in exchange for Teixeiera and reliever Joaquin Benoit.

2007-07-27 10:28:29
109.   Robert Daeley
"'I'm doing good, doing good,' said Lowe, who spent nearly four hours getting an MRI exam Thursday afternoon as the equipment broke down. 'I can't see it lingering on for a long time.'

"When Lowe saw Penny doubled over down the first-base line, one thought instantly popped into his mind.

"'That we're not very good athletes,' Lowe said with a grin.

"Penny blamed the altitude.

"'I've never really had a cramp like that in a game,' he said."

2007-07-27 10:31:22
110.   blue22
102 - That Young extension, that seems like...not a bright idea. What gives?
2007-07-27 10:31:29
111.   Humma Kavula
"'That we're not very good athletes,' Lowe said with a grin.

No -- they're ballplayers.

2007-07-27 10:33:15
112.   Greg Brock
108 It's just getting silly now at this point.

Seward's Folly and the Louisiana Purchase for Mark Teixeira. I'd be willing to throw in Hawaii, but Linkmeister gets his own sovereign territory.

2007-07-27 10:37:26
113.   ToyCannon
No, I was asking about Kory Castro. He had solid AA season as a 3b but was moved to the outfield. He had a cup of tea with you this year but they didn't give him much of a chance. I already checked his numbers and it looks like he's not doing much in AAA.
2007-07-27 10:38:16
114.   bryanf
Isn't Will Carroll's expertise in the area of injuries and such? Why is he all the sudden acting like Peter Gammons?
2007-07-27 10:41:40
115.   jasonungar07
112 We need a trade deadling clock. Where we now, 96 hours and counting?
2007-07-27 10:42:03
116.   underdog
112 Don't forget throwing in Vin Scully, Chavez Ravine, the rights to Cesar Chavez's grave and Southern California Edison, too. But I hear the Rangers are tossing in Josh Lewin, and David Paisano. Done!

I seriously think Will Carroll needs to check into Betty Ford soon.

2007-07-27 10:42:37
117.   Humma Kavula
115 We had a clock, but it was included in the potential trade for Teixeira.
2007-07-27 10:44:42
118.   Hallux Valgus
108 My favorite part is "could likely entice..."

Really? you think if we twisted enough arms, Texas might get behind 2 starters and one of the best pitching prospects in the minors for a year and a half of a first baseman and a middle reliever?

I'm about to just go into a bunker with some vienna sausages and bottled water. I'll reemerge when the calendar turns 8/1.

2007-07-27 10:45:45
119.   silverwidow
Tuesday at 1 p.m. will be pretty crazy here, I'd say.
2007-07-27 10:46:26
120.   Hallux Valgus
117 That cracked me up. If my bosses bothered to show up on Fridays, they'd be mighty suspicious right now.
2007-07-27 10:46:36
121.   D4P
I'm about to just go into a bunker with some vienna sausages and bottled water

"PepsiCo Inc. will spell out that its Aquafina bottled water is made with tap water, a concession to the growing environmental and political opposition to the bottled water industry"

2007-07-27 10:47:29
122.   Icaros
Last week, I had a fun little e-mail exchange with that guy from the Dallas paper who keeps trying to trade Teixeira for the entire Dodgers team.

I wasn't very nice.

2007-07-27 10:50:17
123.   Greg Brock
122 Evan Grant? Man, he didn't even e-mail me back! You are the man.
2007-07-27 10:50:37
124.   bigcpa
122 Paste in some hilites. Maybe you can work on Tony Jackson next.
2007-07-27 10:51:08
125.   Hallux Valgus
121 I read that article:
"Pepsi and Coke do not make a lot of profit on bottled water."

I find that hard to believe since bottled water costs more than an equivalent amount of soda, which basically consists of the same water plus a bunch of other stuff.

2007-07-27 10:53:21
126.   jasonungar07
We included the clock in a potential trade for Teixeira is just too funny. Thanks for the laugh
2007-07-27 10:54:32
127.   D4P
I think the medical profession subsidizes soda producers. It's a big secret that you won't hear about anywhere else.
2007-07-27 10:55:12
128.   Icaros
123 124

Insults are the key to getting a response. The title of my e-mail was "Get Off the Drugs...or Share Them," and I recommended he seek employment writing for The Onion instead of the Hick Daily.

2007-07-27 10:56:08
129.   Dodgers49
51s' Fussell gets up to speed

>>> Fussell said his agent had badgered De Jon Watson, the Dodgers director of player development, to send a scout to see him, and he was signed two days later. <<<

### Delwyn Young, who went 3-for-5 with a triple and a double for the 51s on Thursday, leads the Pacific Coast League in batting with a .350 average. ###

2007-07-27 10:56:15
130.   gpellamjr
I'm scared to death the Dodgers will make a stupid trade and in righteous indignation I will refuse to follow the Dodgers anymore and they will win the WS.

I ceased to be a Laker fan after the 98-99 season because I disliked Phil Jackson so much. Man.

2007-07-27 10:56:33
131.   Hallux Valgus
"The Cleveland Indians have acquired center fielder Kenny Lofton from the Texas Rangers in exchange for minor-league catcher Max Ramirez."

2007-07-27 10:57:01
132.   Terry A
125 - I also thought this was interesting:

"Further, bowing to heavy pressure from the FDA, Armour Meat Co. is expected to disclose that Vienna Sausages are not actually made in Austria or from Austrians. Rather, the canned, meatlike substances are mass-produced in Grenada."

2007-07-27 10:57:15
133.   El Lay Dave
104 Hilarious. I hope you are the boss!
2007-07-27 10:57:30
134.   Disabled List
It's a little late now, but someone should've run up a quick website, in the vein of, titled

The Louisiana Purchase, Southern California Edison, and James Loney could start off the list.

2007-07-27 10:57:33
135.   Eric Enders
I find Will Carroll as distasteful as the next guy, but in fairness, it should be pointed out that the nonsense in 108 was written not by Carroll but by John Perrotto of BP.
2007-07-27 10:58:23
136.   Greg Brock
Yeah clock thing was hilarious. Nice work, Humma.

128 But I insulted him. I I referred to his photo as a "shaved head/goatee combo platter" and called him insane. But you got him to e-mail back, and that's awesome.

2007-07-27 10:58:57
137.   gpellamjr
131 Good, now he can light a fire under Pronk. That guy is so lazy.
2007-07-27 10:59:16
138.   D4P
Kenny Lofton is worth one Max Ramirez.
Juan Pierre is worth 44,000,000 dollar bills.

Broken record

2007-07-27 11:00:33
139.   Eric Enders
135 The same article also reports that the Dodgers are trying to acquire Ty Wigginton. What possible good could that accomplish?
2007-07-27 11:02:14
140.   gpellamjr
138 K Loft: Only 21 steals in 25 attemps. It's like he's not even trying. He has an empty 303/380/438 line. I say it's empty because, when he does get out, he doesn't feel guilty about it.
2007-07-27 11:02:17
141.   Eric Enders
That's the second time in the past year that Ramirez has been traded for a decrepit old guy. Last July it was Bob Wickman.
2007-07-27 11:02:52
142.   gpellamjr
139 It would prove once and for all that Ned workes for Tampa Bay.
2007-07-27 11:04:17
143.   Eric Enders
Jim Callis thinks we shouldn't write off Scott Elbert just yet:

"The Dodgers shut down Elbert on April 16, after his third start of the season, when he complained of shoulder soreness. The initial diagnosis was tendinitis, and Los Angeles tried to rehab him for two months. When that didn't work, the club decided he should have arthroscopic surgery to remove some scar tissue detected by an initial MRI.

The Dodgers regard the surgery as minor because there was no damage to Elbert's rotator cuff or labrum. He'll miss the rest of the regular season but should be able to pitch again in instructional league. Barring any further setbacks, he should be able to regain his status as one of the game's top lefty pitching prospects next year."

2007-07-27 11:04:54
144.   D4P
Lofton Home-Road SB splits are kinda interesting. Consider:

HOME: 5/6 SBs
AWAY: 16/19 SBs

2007-07-27 11:08:00
145.   gpellamjr
144 So he's three times on the road. Interesting.
2007-07-27 11:08:37
146.   gpellamjr
145 was meant to say "So he's three times as good on the road. Interesting."
2007-07-27 11:09:04
147.   D4P
I also see that K-Lo has attempted all 25 of his steals against RHs.
2007-07-27 11:09:48
148.   NorCalDodger
For Ty Wigginton, perhaps Ned is feinting a trade, just to get the team who he really wants to trade with to lower their demands?

By the way, I hope we don't get Ty, for the lone reason that I absolutely HATE that name.

2007-07-27 11:11:49
149.   bryanf
148 Hate the name or not, Cobb was pretty good, wasn't he?
2007-07-27 11:12:39
150.   Jacob L
The signal to noise ratio on trade rumors right now is really low, seemingly more-so than in past years. My guess is that Ned makes a trade. The trade may well be a dumb trade. But it won't be any of the things we've been hearing about.
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2007-07-27 11:13:41
151.   El Lay Dave
For purely selfish reasons, I want to see Delwyn Young at least get his Dodger September call up and appear in a box score with more than 1 AB and all zeroes. See, I have the same last name and I would be thrilled to see a Dodgers boxscore with a line like this in it:

DYoung lf 4 1 2 1 0 0 0 .300

2007-07-27 11:13:47
152.   Jacob L
149 Yes, but for some reason, my first thought is of Detmer. And I'm not even a football fan. Next thought is of Webb.
2007-07-27 11:15:57
153.   bryanf
With Chase Utley the centerpiece of my fantasy team, I've been following news regarding him. Since he's going on the DL, check out who's going to play second for the Phils:

"The Phillies purchased the contract of infielder/outfielder Joe Thurston from Triple-A Ottawa. Thurston hit a combined .278 with three home runs and 44 RBIs in 105 games in two levels in the minor leagues this season."

Joey Ballgame!

2007-07-27 11:16:59
154.   El Lay Dave
In my household, Ty Pennington is far more popular than Ty Wigginton.
2007-07-27 11:17:07
155.   bryanf
153 Well, I guess Nunez will be starting at 2nd, but Joe got the call up. How'd he end up in Philadelphia?
2007-07-27 11:18:03
156.   El Lay Dave
153 Cue the Wigginton to Philly rumors.
2007-07-27 11:19:22
157.   Eric Enders
I certainly don't miss the days when guys like Joe Thurston, Joel Hanrahan, Angel Pena, and Ricardo Rodriguez were considered the Dodgers' best prospects.
2007-07-27 11:20:06
158.   Greg Brock
148 Ty Wiggington is a name that somebody who went to USC would have. Like Chandler Van Upton.

Chandler Van Upton is my generic name for guy USC grads.

2007-07-27 11:21:00
159.   El Lay Dave
155 Free agent, signed before last season.

Or he followed the advice on W. C. Fields headstone.

2007-07-27 11:22:13
160.   Dodgers49
Commentary: UCLA, Dorrell in a bind after Scott's arrest.

2007-07-27 11:22:13
161.   Eric Enders
159 Antonio Perez, alas, followed the advice on Gertude Stein's.
2007-07-27 11:26:14
162.   Bluebleeder87

you gotta agree with that sentiment specially considering there was no stroctual damage in his shoulder, i'm thinking he'll come back even stronger with a good shoulder streghning program.

2007-07-27 11:28:21
163.   Greg Brock
160 Thank you for that link.
2007-07-27 11:30:41
164.   regfairfield
I seem to have gotten Evan Grant to back down on his Loney and Kershaw for Teixeria trade.

2007-07-27 11:31:01
165.   Bluebleeder87
Greg Miller had what? 2 shoulder surgeries with in a year if i remember correctly, i'm keeping my fingers crossed with Scott Elbert.
2007-07-27 11:34:41
166.   ToyCannon
Neither involved his labrum, he's never had serious shoulder surgery.

Elbert is going to be fine and it seems strange for him to say "don't write him off" when no one had done so. While our pitching prospects look depleted at the moment with Elbert and Morris joining McDonald and Kershaw I think we will be happy with what we see next year. Assuming all 4 are still with us come April 2008.

2007-07-27 11:37:35
167.   blue22
The Lofton return is encouraging. Just maybe 2 days ago, ESPN was reporting that Texas was asking for Adam Miller from Cleveland.
2007-07-27 11:42:44
168.   Eric Enders
166 "Elbert is going to be fine and it seems strange for him to say "don't write him off" when no one had done so."

Nate, Canuck, and others (myself included) all but wrote him off in our various discussions of the Dodgers' top prospects over the past few months. Canuck ranked him 11th and I don't think any of us quibbled much with that.

2007-07-27 11:47:08
169.   Vishal
[137] lol, i still remember when we were talking about "KeLories" here on DT.
2007-07-27 11:47:21
170.   Penarol1916
168. I think that may have more to do with wanting to see how he looks when he comes back more than anything else.
2007-07-27 11:48:52
171.   silverwidow
I just saw some Cleveland fans write about Lofton's "great range and plus defense."
2007-07-27 11:49:07
172.   Daniel Zappala
158 I guess now is the time to remind you I'm a USC grad. Grad school, but still.
2007-07-27 11:51:34
173.   Humma Kavula
170 My uninformed opinion is that surgery is surgery and it is serious and career-threatening no matter what.

This is the kind of analysis you just can't get from Nate, Canuck, or Eric.

2007-07-27 12:03:42
174.   ToyCannon
I'm sure you guys know best but that does seem premature to me considering the type of surgery it was.
2007-07-27 12:06:39
175.   gpellamjr
172 I used to think "Daniel Zappala is a fellow academic and we should stick together, because we do the same kind of thing." I just read your BYU faculty page, and what you do makes me dizzy.
2007-07-27 12:08:04
176.   D4P
If we don't stick together, the Oil Execs will win.
2007-07-27 12:10:17
177.   Jon Weisman
168 - Not that I weigh in much, but it never occured to me that Elbert was definitely done for good. I fully hoped to see him continue climbing in 2008. Maybe I was just being naive.
2007-07-27 12:12:03
178.   gpellamjr
176 But I don't know if I want to win if I have to have the "CSE" people on my side. I'm trying to figure out a Humanities (and maybe social sciences)-only victory strategy. Otherwise it's an empty victory, like winning a WS with lazy guys like Manny and JD Drew on your team.
2007-07-27 12:13:40
179.   Dodgers49
Apparently, the Rockies are unaware they will be facing the NEW Brett Tomko and his OLD cut fastball. :-) I predict six shutout innings again tonight.

Dodgers-Rockies Preview

>>> However, Colorado might have a chance to make up ground Friday against Los Angeles starter Brett Tomko (2-7, 5.42 ERA), who is 1-5 with a 7.26 ERA in nine outings - seven starts - at Coors Field. <<<

### ''It feels good to go out there and pitch well. It's definitely better than going out there and struggling out of the 'pen,'' said Tomko, who has added a cut fastball to his repertoire since returning to the rotation. ###

2007-07-27 12:14:43
180.   Linkmeister
112 You betcha! Although sovereignty has unfortunate connotations out here, what with a nascent native Hawaiian movement going.

We have four guys in the show right now; Victorino of the Phils, Tyler Yates of the Braves, and Suzuki and Komine of the As. But UH is doing better, producing half-a-dozen guys who got drafted by the NFL last spring.

2007-07-27 12:15:00
181.   Vishal
i don't know if anyone saw this last night, but at the padres-astros game, berkman doubled down the left field line, right around the third base bag and into foul territory past the infield... well, the ball is rolling towards the left field railing, and a fan reached down and grabbed the ball. immediately the security guard who's standing there starts explaining to the guy that he can't do that he's gonna have to leave, and right before he's about to escort the guy and his girlfriend out, milton bradley walks over quietly and snatches the ball away, as if to say "if you're dumb enough to interfere with a ball in play, you don't deserve to keep the ball. i'm taking it." it was so great.
2007-07-27 12:15:16
182.   Greg Brock
172 Yes, but you're one of the good guys. Like Pat Haden.
2007-07-27 12:15:17
183.   Jon Weisman
164 - Way to go!
2007-07-27 12:15:45
184.   D4P
I think we can safely conclude that Humanities cannot win by itself. Social Scientists are a must. We combine science with social.
2007-07-27 12:16:53
185.   Eric Enders
"This is the kind of analysis you just can't get from Nate, Canuck, or Eric."

I belong in that group about as much as William Hung belongs in a group with Paul Simon and Art Garfunkel.

2007-07-27 12:21:05
186.   Eric Enders
By the way, there's a prospect chat going on over at BA right now if anyone's interested.
2007-07-27 12:21:26
187.   Greg Brock
I saw Simon, Garfunkel and Hung at the Greek. You'd be surprised. Hung does a great "At the Zoo".

Daniel, you'll be happy to know I babysat my month-old niece yesterday. Feeding, rocking up and down, baby talk, the whole nine. So, you know, I don't hate kids like Shimmin does. That guy is terrible!

2007-07-27 12:22:48
188.   Bob Timmermann
I need Greg Brock here in St. Louis with me. I'm tired of explaining to several very well-educated people what the Dred Scott Decision was about.

It's the 150th Anniversary of the Supreme Court decision. There commemorating it here in St. Louis.

2007-07-27 12:25:29
189.   Linkmeister
"Commemorating?" As in, "It was a good decision; too bad it didn't hold up?"


2007-07-27 12:25:51
190.   Greg Brock
188 Dred Scott never should have split with Peter Tosh.

Worst. Solo. Album. Ever.

2007-07-27 12:26:02
191.   Vishal
[188] apparently not well-educated enough! but... why are people commemorating it??
2007-07-27 12:26:26
192.   Penarol1916
176. Didn't they already win? Oh wait, they have to live in Houston, I guess that means they did lose.
2007-07-27 12:34:23
193.   Bob Timmermann
189 191
Take it up with the National Park Service.

Little known fact: my maternal grandfather and Dred Scott are buried in the same cemetery.

2007-07-27 12:35:33
194.   Eric Enders
Speaking of Houston, there was discussion on the BA chat about Oswalt possibly getting traded. Who would be be willing to give up for him?
2007-07-27 12:36:52
195.   Eric Enders
188 You should consider yourself successful if you simply manage to convince them that it's "Dred Scott" and not "Dread Scott."
2007-07-27 12:40:14
196.   fanerman
164 Go team go!
2007-07-27 12:40:25
197.   confucius
The best part about Teixeira trade rumors is the different ways you can spell his name just for fun.

Teixiera (My personal favorite)

Am I missing any?

2007-07-27 12:40:44
198.   rockmrete
I thougt Oswalt was comming back from an injury.
2007-07-27 12:44:27
199.   Vishal
[197] does "teixeria" kinda rhyme with "pizzeria"?
2007-07-27 12:45:30
200.   fanerman
199 It depends. Do you pronounce it "pets-ee-yeah-ra"?
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2007-07-27 12:48:37
201.   D4P
Would anyone like Teixeira pizza with me?
2007-07-27 12:51:05
202.   confucius
199 It's kind of similar to Victoria. If that makes semse.
2007-07-27 12:51:13
203.   confucius
199 It's kind of similar to Victoria. If that makes semse.
2007-07-27 12:58:39
204.   bigcpa
Don't mess with Teixeis.
2007-07-27 12:59:44
205.   Sushirabbit
194, Hendrickson and Tomko? I seriously don't know what Texas needs that we have. How 'bout a speedy outfielder and cash?

I wanted Oswalt before, but he does have the injury, even if it's minor, I'd rather have someone who's healthy now.

2007-07-27 13:02:10
206.   underdog
Huh. This is interesting - speaking of Joe Thurston:
"What's in a name? Lynx fans hope SS Michael Garciaparra takes after his big brother. He fills the roster spot left open by 2B Joe Thurston's call-up to Philadelphia after Chase Utley's injury.

Garciaparra, 24, is the younger brother of Dodgers 3B Nomar Garciaparra. The younger Garciaparra was hitting .247 with 3 HR and 19 RBI in 65 games at Double-A Reading. He was Seattle's first pick, 36th overall in the 2001 Amateur Draft. He has a .264 average with 15 HR and 173 RBI in his six professional seasons."
(An Ottawa Lynx Our Sports Central press release)

2007-07-27 13:05:04
207.   regfairfield
194 I can't believed they'd trade Oswalt. He's consistently one of the best pitchers in baseball and he's signed for below market value (13-16 million) until 2011 with a team option until 2012. Not only that, he has a full no trade.

That's someone completely fabricating a rumor.

2007-07-27 13:05:28
208.   D4P
Lynx fans hope SS Michael Garciaparra takes after his big brother


The younger Garciaparra was hitting .247 with 3 HR and 19 RBI in 65 games

2007-07-27 13:09:49
209.   Vishal
[200] no, but i would probably pronounce that particular misinterpretation of the texas first baseman "tex-er-EEE-ya", just for fun :)
2007-07-27 13:12:54
210.   Hallux Valgus
"Oh, hi Michael. Thanks for stopping by. Ooh, actually- you're going to be sitting over there at that folding table. You can chat with Chris Gwynn, Ozzie Canseco, Tim Drew, and Jesus Martinez."
2007-07-27 13:15:12
211.   underdog
208 Heh. I was thinking something along those lines, too, but decided to keep my snark to myself. The younger Garciaparra definitely sounds a bit like a bust so far, given he was a first round pick, but, hey, at least he gets to taste AAA. At least his brother is hitting the ball a little harder these days.

210 Man, Chris Gwynn, I never expected him to be Tony, but I'd hoped he'd be better than... sucky.

2007-07-27 13:26:18
212.   D4P
decided to keep my snark to myself

Does not compute

2007-07-27 13:26:28
213.   ToyCannon
If things go right for the Uptons, by 2009 the brothers could both be top 10 players in their respective leagues. The only good thing about Justin being in the NL West is that I will get to watch him play alot.
2007-07-27 13:27:42
214.   Rob M
The same article at BP with the silly Teixeira rumor says that Ned wouldn't part with Abreu for Dotel. That surprises me a little. If Dotel is actually an attractive reliever (and I haven't looked closely at how good he is right now) Abreu seems like a low enough price to pay. I'd as a 2B of the future, I think we have better options (Betemit) or younger guys on the way, and I'm not sure that Abreu could bring a lot more in a different trade.
2007-07-27 13:28:10
215.   Icaros
I remember the days of middle school when I would dream about the future greatness of Chris Gwynn and Shawn Hillegas.
2007-07-27 13:30:32
216.   Rob M
New from Will Carroll:

It looks as if Cleveland is finishing up a deal. One source tells me it's done while another is saying it's "very close." I don't have details, though speculation is focused on their adding a reliever, perhaps Octavio Dotel. The Indians emerged as the leader for Dotel after the Dodgers pulled back--not just on Dotel, but it sounds as if the Dodgers have decided that they're going to tweak their roster with small trades at best, while preferring to hold on to their top prospects. Surprisingly, it seems that Chin-Lung Hu is still on the "available" list.

2007-07-27 13:32:22
217.   Hallux Valgus
Somewhere, I've got a Chris Gwynn rookie card from Fleer. It was a dual player card with some guy from the Braves.
2007-07-27 13:34:11
218.   Daniel Zappala
178 But I read history books on the side. That's gotta count for some kind of kinsmanship with the Humanities. What field are you in?
2007-07-27 13:36:29
219.   Daniel Zappala
182 I've never been compared to Pat Haden. I'm trying to figure out if this is a highlight or lowlight.

187 I'm definitely a Greg Brock fan.

2007-07-27 13:37:55
220.   natepurcell

Surprisingly, it seems that Chin-Lung Hu is still on the "available" list.

probably for Ian Snell :)

2007-07-27 13:39:01
221.   Daniel Zappala
You should consider yourself successful if you simply manage to convince them that it's "Dred Scott" and not "Dread Scott.

You sure it wasn't the Dread Pirate Roberts?

2007-07-27 13:39:37
222.   underdog
220 Or Zack Greinke.
2007-07-27 13:41:10
223.   Rob M
Carroll also reported that the rumored Laroche for Willy Mo Pena deal is being laughed at by front-office types he talked to. Laroche is "way too valuable" for that to be true.
2007-07-27 13:42:55
224.   ToyCannon
It was laughed at here. Get a clue Will.
2007-07-27 13:43:24
225.   natepurcell

it was Carroll's fault for being too stupid to believe the scout that told him about that deal.

I'd do that straight up.

2007-07-27 13:47:17
226.   Icaros
I talked to someone at DT Day who attended a game with Andrew Shimmin and attests to the fact that Andrew is, in fact, real and a person.

I had thought he might be like "The Old Man in the Cave" from that Twilight Zone episode.

2007-07-27 13:48:24
227.   Daniel Zappala
226 If I had known Andrew was going to be there, I would have driven to the game from Utah and gotten seats right in front of him for me and my kids.
2007-07-27 13:49:00
228.   Rob M
225 I was looking forward to seeing Hu at SS in Dodger Stadium, but I'd love to get Snell.

Is Greinke worth the risk at this point? What about his emotional problems - are those in the past?

2007-07-27 13:50:29
229.   Bluebleeder87

If He [Elbert] continues to have shoulder issues after this my stock on him will also go down but i'm still holding out plenty of hope for him, veremos.

2007-07-27 13:51:37
230.   silverwidow
I believe the Dodgers value Logan White's picks more than Intl signings, thus Hu could be available.
2007-07-27 13:51:40
231.   Robert Daeley
Michael Garciaparra was on the 66ers when they were in the Mariners system - saw him a few times at various games. He'd get heckled occasionally, usually getting called "Nomar."
2007-07-27 13:52:30
232.   D4P
I would have driven to the game from Utah and gotten seats right in front of him for me and my kids

Behind might have been better. That way they could kick his chair and spill stuff on him and talk in his ear the whole time.

2007-07-27 13:55:29
233.   Greg Brock
219 I envoke the Pat Haden Clause very rarely. It's for certain USC people. It's a good thing.
2007-07-27 13:55:58
234.   bigcpa
225 If Guzman for Lugo was whispered to Will Carroll a year ago at this time would you call him a fool for believing it?

I think all of Ned's deals with Tampa gave the impression that he will trade name prospects for marginal short-term fixes (or fools good if you ask me). Theo looks at the Lugo deal and figures maybe they'll do LaRoche for Pena or a reliever. If Ned was in my roto league I'd ask for the same deal.

2007-07-27 13:56:23
235.   gpellamjr
218 I'm in ancient history. Computers just make me nervous. As it is, I don't type at DT, I dictate to my wife. What's really hard is getting my advisor to accept my thesis transcribed on wax tablets.
2007-07-27 13:57:11
236.   ToyCannon
And scream for the beach balls. Andrew would love that.
2007-07-27 14:01:40
237.   Daniel Zappala
235 Though I'm not much for ancient history, I envy historians in general because they get to write books that are approachable by ordinary people and can become very widely read. In my field I get your reaction most commonly -- "that must be very complicated, I don't understand computers at all."

By the way, I've heard the upgrade costs from wax tablets to papyrus are quite low, and the benefits are significant. Don't worry, the papyrus will last for at least a thousand years before you have to upgrade again.

2007-07-27 14:02:30
238.   Daniel Zappala
It might cause me to go to hell, but I might actually consider bringing a few beach balls if I sat behind Andrew.
2007-07-27 14:06:01
239.   trainwreck
For the cat lovers on this site...

A real Garfield.

2007-07-27 14:08:13
240.   SG6
If any one has ever been down to the Mexican Riviera, maybe you're familiar with "Xel-ha" or "Xcaret" eco parks?

The "x" is pronounce as "SH", by the way...always funny to hear us Americans try to pronounce it with an "x" sound.

2007-07-27 14:09:14
241.   Jon Weisman
New post up top.
2007-07-27 14:10:04
242.   Daniel Zappala
Phils acquired Iguchi according to mlbtraderumors.
2007-07-27 14:11:40
243.   Robert Daeley
240 It is a quixotic task to get people to pronounce "Don Quixote" with the sh sound. ;)
2007-07-27 20:46:12
244.   Andrew Shimmin
Did Jim Hitchcock go to the DT Day game? Or was it Ddger? Seems like it's been a long time since I saw him post. I feel so betrayed. . .

At the game Hitchcock, ddger, and I saw by way of Bob's munificence, there was a kid sitting behind me, kicking my chair. He also threw/dropped his hat at me, which I returned to him with a smile. I don't much like kids, but I'm pretty good about concealing my contempt for them, from them. It's not their fault they're repulsive.

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