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An Outsider Votes for Los Angeles
2007-08-02 17:23
by Jon Weisman

From Sporting News managing editor Stan McNeal:

When it comes to picking the best baseball town, I love L.A. Snicker all you want, but hear my reasons. …

(Link courtesy of Bob Timmermann.)

* * *

Tonight's game:


Retro Gameday

Oh, and Barry Bonds will be in left.

Comments (481)
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2007-08-02 17:32:19
1.   Dodgers49
We wecome a new poster by LATing him. :-)
2007-08-02 17:32:53
2.   Wilbert Robinson
From the last thread about kemp being sent down:

Gosh I hope not.

July Splits:

.471/.550/1.021/60 AB Ethier

.338/.574/912/68 AB Kemp

.287/.317/.604/82 AB Gonzo

2007-08-02 17:33:02
3.   bhsportsguy
Spider Pig,
Spider Pig,
Does whatever a spider pig does
Can he swing from a web?,
no he can't, he's a pig,
look out, he is a Spider Pig.

Off to the game, should get in by 8:30

2007-08-02 17:33:15
4.   Dodgers49
1. Should be welcome. That'll teach me to be first. :-)
2007-08-02 17:33:21
5.   Bob Timmermann
You know, Smithers, I've never thought of suicide, but I think I might like to see you try it.
2007-08-02 17:33:28
6.   Jacob L
2 I agree. Lets send Gonzo down.
2007-08-02 17:34:02
7.   Jon Weisman
5 - Spoiler alert!
2007-08-02 17:34:06
8.   Dodgers49
L.A. wants no part of Barry's HR history

>> But if we agree Bonds is going to break Aaron's record sometime soon ... the worst place to do it would be Los Angeles, and everybody in the game knows it. <<

## He isn't going to go deep on them. Not in this series. Unless someone gets sloppy. (Hello, Brett Tomko.) ##

2007-08-02 17:37:21
9.   underdog
From the last thread, too:
425 I've got a better idea - as much as I love the Tomato, replace him with LaRoche. That solves several problems, imho.
2007-08-02 17:38:20
10.   twerp
From re Gagne today==

"Eric Gagne entered in the ninth to a pulse-pounding ovation, striking out the first two batters he faced.

"But a dropped two-out popup in no-man's land between third base and left field put a runner on second. The Orioles scored on a single, but ultimately surrendered to Gagne's low-90s heater and knee-buckling repertoire of off-speed stuff.

"How about that?" Gagne said after the game, wearing a grateful smile. "I have a 9.00 ERA as a Red Sox, [and] I get a standing 'O.' That's pretty good. It tells you a lot about the fans."

2007-08-02 17:39:28
11.   trainwreck
How long before SF finds some way of getting rid of Zito?
2007-08-02 17:43:55
12.   Jacob L
8 Dern tootin. With 1 game to go, I'm more than happy to make this San Diego's problem. Its just funny how the drama builds. Game 1 - our best pitcher. No homers. Predictable, in retrospect. Game 2 - nobody's best pitcher, but at least a lefty. No homers. Game 3 - Tomko. If Bonds doesn't hit at least one tonight, he should retire one short of the record.

I was always circumspect about the idea of the record falling in LA. The fact that the series has apparently attracted the most casual of Dodger fans who either actually want to see the homer or at least want to be part of the circus (the flashbulbs, and all) has pushed me over the edge. Not here. Not now. San Diego's problem. I"m counting on Brett Tomko in the cross hairs of history.

2007-08-02 17:44:38
13.   MC Safety
11-i could see zito going to the yanks next year.
2007-08-02 17:45:08
14.   Jacob L
9 Ah, yes, the Boston faithful. They love you no matter what. Until they decide that they hate you.
2007-08-02 17:50:59
15.   SoSG Orel
"L.A. has won as many World Series championships this century as N.Y., Boston and St. Louis."

What am I missing here?

2007-08-02 17:51:51
16.   gpellamjr
15 I think that is a silly reference to the Angels' being "LA". I suppose that they must always have been, then,
2007-08-02 17:52:19
17.   trainwreck
The Angels won a championship this century.
2007-08-02 17:52:23
18.   underdog
Still 3-2 Marlins over Rox going to the 6th. Marlins had two on and nobody out, with Cabrera up. He struck out. Then a DP. Zip. Still winning for now, though.
2007-08-02 17:52:37
19.   NorCalDodger
Notwithstanding the use of LA for the minor league franchise down south, does anyone find it a bit off that the writer of that article says that "LA" has as many WS Championships as NY, Boston, or St. Louis? I'm really racking my head here, doesn't Anaheim have one, Boston have one, and St. Louis have one, and (if you count 2000), as well as NY? Shouldn't that be 3-1?
2007-08-02 17:52:51
20.   gpellamjr
16 I could give you a convoluted reasoning for ending a sentence in a comma, but I just don't want to.
2007-08-02 17:52:56
21.   SoSG Orel
Argh. Never mind. Me and my Dodger-centric ways.
2007-08-02 17:53:32
22.   underdog
Tony Jackson just posted: "Kent remains day to day. Stan Conte says it's a matter of how far Jeff can run at full speed before feeling something in his hammy. D-Lowe took some light PFP to make sure he could sprint to 1B if he has to, and he can, so he's a definite go for Saturday."
2007-08-02 17:55:08
23.   Wilbert Robinson
Oh yeah I forgot...I'm new here. I tried to post an introduction before but I didn't do it right and it didn't post. Then I forgot and started commenting. So...hi everybody! This blog is great and gets me through work. I'm really glad I found it. I live in Brooklyn and never get a chance to talk about the Dodgers unless its people making fun of me for Scott Proctor, Grady Little or Nomar.
2007-08-02 17:56:37
24.   SoSG Orel
Plus, they were still Anaheim back then.
2007-08-02 17:58:07
25.   Jacob L
23 How can you root for a team with Scott Proctor, Grady Little and Nomar!?! Sheesh.

Just kidding. Welcome. I noticed you posting, and concluded (correct me if I'm wrong) that you're not actually Wilbert Robinson, on account of he's been dead for like 70 years. The Greg Brock who posts here, though, could be the real Greg Brock, for all I know.

2007-08-02 17:58:27
26.   Zach the Ripper
Last night it took me 1 hour and 45 minutes to make it from TommyBurger to the parking lot via sunset! Is this normal....if time Tommyburger will have to wait till after the game.
2007-08-02 18:02:06
27.   xaphor
Nice article and I fully support his take on the early departs.

"In L.A., you're not required to stay 'til the end of the game... I think the best fans are the ones smart enough to know when to leave."

...and leave me to deal with less traffic after the game. LA fans are considerate that way.

2007-08-02 18:02:49
28.   JoeyP
Teixiera is making his presence felt in Atlanta.

2 games
2 homers

2007-08-02 18:03:03
29.   bigcpa
L.A. is the workplace for the most fan friendly owner in sports, the Angels' Arte Moreno.

Moreno has gotten more mileage out of a beer price reduction than the Dodgers have out of changing hitting coaches. I did a price comparison on domestic beer prices on draft per ounce and there was no difference between LA and LAAA. Enough already!

2007-08-02 18:11:38
30.   Wilbert Robinson
I still think Greg Brock has chance to develop into a great ball player some day.
2007-08-02 18:11:44
31.   Greg Brock
Nate, thanks for the heads up on the 51's game.
2007-08-02 18:15:47
32.   Bob Timmermann
Since Wilbert Robinson lives in Brooklyn, he obviously loves the Dodgers more than life itself and has a large dartboard with Walter O'Malley's face on it.

If he is a churchgoing man, he still prays for Gil Hodges.

He hands out with Roger Kahn and tells stories about how baseball should be played and how Ebbets Field was the greatest baseball stadium every collected.

Wilbert Robinson still goes out to the stoop every morning waiting for his copy of the Brooklyn Eagle to arrive.

2007-08-02 18:21:32
33.   underdog
I wish the 51s games were on TV online, too. Since I don't get Direct TV. Would rather watch that than Tomko... but you know I'm gonna watch some of the Dodgers game anyway.
2007-08-02 18:24:07
34.   Greg Brock
32 Does he still get grief from his high-falutin' Yankees pals?
2007-08-02 18:24:48
35.   Wilbert Robinson
32 Its all true. I ride my bike regularly to where Ebbets used to be. It really is a sad place.

33 you can at I'm listening to the jacksonville game right now.

2007-08-02 18:25:38
36.   Wilbert Robinson
33 except it cost money to watch its free to listen. Blind people get all the breaks.
2007-08-02 18:25:55
37.   Sam DC
I know this is sort of well trodden territory, but for many people, the choice isn't get to the game midstream or get there on time, it's get there midstream or don't go. Why is the better fan the one who chooses not to go?

Same even more so with leaving before the end. Mostly this is a bedtime or a babysitter thing. Seems like a fan willing to pay up to take his kid to 6 fun innings of a baseball game is being a pretty good fan. Hard to see what is gained by overstaying at the kid's expense.

Sorry, this just irks me.

2007-08-02 18:26:59
38.   D4P
It's not often that we play a team that makes our 1-2 punch at the top of the lineup look good.
2007-08-02 18:28:47
39.   Bob Timmermann
Because, as I was told, Mets fans all stay until the end.

Why do I stay until the end of baseball games? Because I can. I'm single. I have no kids.

In other words, I have nothing else to live for.

2007-08-02 18:30:11
40.   D4P
In other words, I have nothing else to live for

I hope Casey can't see your screen right now.

2007-08-02 18:32:13
41.   Daniel Zappala
29 and earlier comments ... Note the use of LA when counting championships and discussing owners. Anyone who is outside of the LA area refers to the whole area as LA ... hence the LA Angels makes perfect sense. I promise, this will be the last time I repeat this unless I am provoked beyond reason.
2007-08-02 18:33:36
42.   Daniel Zappala
In other words, I have nothing else to live for.

Bob, you need some kids.

2007-08-02 18:34:06
43.   Bob Timmermann
Although oddly enough, Angel fans don't get the same rap for leaving early as Dodger fans do.

But people are the same all over.

I learned that from watching "The Twilight Zone."

2007-08-02 18:34:28
44.   Greg Brock
42 Can he have four or five of yours?
2007-08-02 18:36:19
45.   Wilbert Robinson
34 I actually only have one Yankee fan friend. The rest are mostly Met or Red Sox fans. Yankee hating is all the rage in Brooklyn these days. So are luxury condos and cheese shops.
2007-08-02 18:36:59
46.   Bluebleeder87
I think every DT'er thinks Tomko will give up at least the tying 755 if not more tonight no? but I also read that he hasn't given up any four baggers to Bonds for a while so.
2007-08-02 18:37:08
47.   dkminnick
ESPN 2 is replaying an interview with Tony Gwynn and Cal Ripken frm the HOF ceremonies right now. What a classy couple of guys.

Tony Gwynn is just the best. He was just extolling the beauty of the game of baseball and how kids who don't play it are missing out. Man, I admire that guy. Both of these guys actually.

2007-08-02 18:37:57
48.   Greg Brock
47 Imagine if McGwire went in with them.


2007-08-02 18:38:37
49.   Daniel Zappala
44 Sure. If I'm going to downsize from 13 to 3, they gotta go somewhere.
2007-08-02 18:38:41
50.   D4P
I've always been a big Tony Gwynn fan. Back in the late 80s, I used to trade all my Barry Bonds cards to my buddy for his Tony Gwynns.

He even threw in some Don Schwartzes...!

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2007-08-02 18:39:22
51.   Wilbert Robinson
46 No way! positive vibes for Tomko!
2007-08-02 18:40:10
52.   Wilbert Robinson
Montgomery's AA team is called the Biscuits?
2007-08-02 18:41:34
53.   Sam DC
When the Nationals win, they blow some fireworks. I can hear them through my front window before I see the winning play on my tv. Unless a bus is going by or something.

RFK is about 15 blocks away.

Just happened. It confuses me a little.

2007-08-02 18:41:46
54.   trainwreck
I heart biscuits.
2007-08-02 18:42:37
55.   Bluebleeder87

I saw there induction speeches live (t.v) you just can't help but love what there all about I can't wait to hear Biggios speech a few years from now. Baseball needs more guys like them.

2007-08-02 18:43:50
56.   Wilbert Robinson
Jax is rallying from a 7-1 deficit in the 8th.
2007-08-02 18:48:40
57.   Paul B
52 Indeed. And yes, darn tasty biscuits are available at the stadium. You can either buy them (boring, but a sure thing) or be fortunate enough to catch one fired out of an air cannon by the perky "Biscuit Bunch" (thrilling, but like winning the lottery. If the lottery was only played by 1500 people.).
2007-08-02 18:50:05
58.   bigcpa
57 Do they launch butter at you too?
2007-08-02 18:52:53
59.   Bob Timmermann
I hear the really bad part is the cream gravy gun.
2007-08-02 18:54:02
60.   Brent is a Dodger Fan
Maybe my Dad was a horrible parent, but he started taking me to baseball games, night games on weekdays, no less, at the age of four or five. We never, ever left a game early.

I remember sleeping in the car on the way home.

And, that's why I never leave early, I guess.

I don't resent fans who do that much, though. Except when I wish there were more fans cheering for comeback wins.

2007-08-02 18:56:59
61.   Wilbert Robinson
59 Its a good thing they're not called the Grits. har har.
2007-08-02 18:57:51
62.   Paul B
58 It being Alabama, most sensible people carry a few spare pats with them at all times. Kidding, of course. I can't remember. I think it might have come with some syrup or something. All I know is that an airborne biscuit was like a king's ransom when compared to a cannon-fired cold hot dog in a smashed bun. (Don't get me wrong. I'd eat either of them.)
2007-08-02 18:58:07
63.   Bluebleeder87

I'm reminded of a hit song digital underground had back in the early 90's

2007-08-02 19:00:33
64.   Bob Timmermann
When I was a wee lad, all the night Dodger games were 7:30 pm starts. Until the early 1970s, the night games started at 8 pm!
2007-08-02 19:00:43
65.   Eric Enders
Russ Langer reports that the Dodgers have asked Delwyn Young to start taking grounders at second base.
2007-08-02 19:01:16
66.   Paul B
59 Yeah, it wasn't so much a gun. More like one of those "Cool Zones" just emitting a nice thin mist of sawmill gravy into the atmosphere. Surprisingly refreshing, actually.
2007-08-02 19:02:01
67.   Greg Brock
65 This should end well.

But sure would be nice...

2007-08-02 19:02:45
68.   Wilbert Robinson
65 yeah Young is 3rd on the depth chart at 2nd at

2007-08-02 19:02:52
69.   Bob Timmermann
The scary part is that Young is doing this while the game is going on.

It can be quite confusing watching a game, while a coach is standing with a fungo bat off to the side hitting grounders to Young.

2007-08-02 19:04:00
70.   MC Safety
vin's coat looked extra spiffy tonight. i love vin's style.
2007-08-02 19:05:07
71.   CanuckDodger
Bill Shelley at put up a really interesting story about Blake DeWitt yesterday. We all remember how poorly DeWitt performed in the first half of the minor league season, even though he was repeating high A. Then, seemingly out of the blue, DeWitt turned it on and became a completely different hitter, tearing the cover off the ball, and is continuing to hit very well in Double A. Here's what may be responsible for the change. DeWitt received a phone call from someone Shelley does not name, but says is the man Blake respects more than anyone in the world outside his own family. This is what the man told DeWitt:

"You know, Blake, I guess I had you wrong. You're just a kid from a small town in Missouri who can't seem to take the pressure. After all, you've got a million bucks in the bank so you're set. You can go home and be a big hero even if you don't make it to the big leagues. You don't seem to have what it takes."

According to Shelley, that man -- who I am just guessing might be Blake's old high school coach (just a feeling I have) -- later said that making that phone call and saying what he did was the hardest thing he has ever done in his life, but he had to do it, because Blake's father asked him to do it. Blake's father thought his son needed the kick in the pants. This reminds me so much of something Mickey Mantle said on Ken Burns' Baseball documentary. When Mantle first got to the majors he struggled, badly, and he called his dad and said that he didn't think he could cut it as a baseball player. Soon after that, Mantle's dad showed up, blew right past him in the doorway, and started packing Mickey's bags, and when Mickey asked his dad what he was doing, his dad turned on him and said, "I thought I had raised a man, but I raised a coward!" Obviously, Mantle's performance as a ballplayer improved considerably after that.

In the year since Joel Guzman was traded away, comments have been made by people making light, and often outright fun, of the comments that were apparently made in the Dodgers' organization questioning Guzman's make-up and work ethic, as if they were self-serving excuses for giving away a prospect. But I do think character counts, and I believe that work ethic plays a big role in whether or not an athlete with the right tools makes those tools work for him. Why Guzman regressed after showing so much promise is something I have thought about a lot, since I was a big champion of his a couple of years ago, and I have thought about whether Guzman really had much incentive to be a big league player. The Dodgers gave him $2.25 million to sign as a 16-year-old. He can live like a king on that money in the Dominican, so what would be so bad about not having a major league career? Something to think about, and perhaps one, and maybe the only, reason the Dodgers no longer throw the big money at Dominican players, prefering instead to sign guys at the cheaper end of the Latin American talent pool.

2007-08-02 19:08:20
72.   natepurcell
meloan is in!
2007-08-02 19:10:19
73.   Gen3Blue
Yes, we have Vin on DTV!
2007-08-02 19:10:56
74.   Greg Brock
Meloan sure does load up to throw the ball.
2007-08-02 19:12:20
75.   natepurcell
he just struck out the minor league homerun leader!
2007-08-02 19:12:34
76.   Andrew Shimmin
Will someone please say that JtD doesn't have the heart of a champion, so I can say,
"No hustle either, skip" ?
2007-08-02 19:13:02
77.   MC Safety
good point canuckdodger. i dont think blake would be doing too bad with that money in missouri as well. i wonder how friendly kemp and guzman are/were...i could see guzman just hating kemp's guts...
2007-08-02 19:14:48
78.   natepurcell
Meloan is a breaking pitch pitcher. Hes thrown like 70% breaking pitches.
2007-08-02 19:15:43
79.   Sam DC
Think Bourne Ultimatum'll be any good.

I loved the first book 20 years ago, and I really liked the first two movies, even though they were quite different from the book. Map-reading, timetable-checking, always thinking Bourne is a pretty cool superspy.

But I'm really doubtful they can keep it up for three.

2007-08-02 19:15:45
80.   trainwreck
Oh boy.
2007-08-02 19:16:40
81.   MC Safety
it looked like vizquel pulled a hammy rounding third darn!!
2007-08-02 19:16:48
82.   Bob Timmermann
Injuries can be deceptive


2007-08-02 19:17:02
83.   Wilbert Robinson
postive vibes for tomko!
2007-08-02 19:17:28
84.   Bluebleeder87
ToyCannon always arrives a little late (mid-1st inning) so he maight miss history!
2007-08-02 19:19:07
85.   Curtis Lowe
That was horrible hustle by the defense on both those hits.
2007-08-02 19:21:07
86.   Gen3Blue
Well its good to see Tomko's off to his usual start. I was just going to say that its easy to think I would like Vin if I was a fan of the visiting club.
Tomko deserves Bonds. Thats as much as I'll say, except it would be nice to still have a chance coming out of the first inning. I'm surprised we didn't get Morris dumped on us since we have every other 10 mil pitcher of theirs. I feel pretty safe they take Zito off their hands.
2007-08-02 19:22:00
87.   trainwreck
On the plus side for Brett is that he might not last long enough to give up the HR to Bonds.
2007-08-02 19:22:34
88.   jasonungar07
If were gonna win, this is gonna be a long night. Hunker down boys.
2007-08-02 19:22:52
89.   MC Safety
tomko looks like he is gonna be on his way out to a shower of boo's...
2007-08-02 19:23:31
90.   NorCal-Dodger
Ok..who else is ready to be called up, other than Stults or Houlton?
2007-08-02 19:23:52
91.   Bluebleeder87
If Tomko keeps the Giants under 4 runs & gives us 6 7 innings i'll be very happy, Zito isn't exactly tearing it up in the NL.
2007-08-02 19:24:49
92.   Bob Timmermann
Houlton is on the big team now.
2007-08-02 19:25:04
93.   Wilbert Robinson
90 Eric Cyr's looked ok lately? yeesh.
2007-08-02 19:25:31
94.   Curtis Lowe
Call up Orenduff go all crazy and try MacDonald.
2007-08-02 19:25:45
95.   Gen3Blue
I have very mixed feelings about about Martin blocking the plate here. Just imagine the possibilities!
2007-08-02 19:26:38
96.   NorCal-Dodger
Well if you're gonna walk someone..might as well nail'em...Hope Houlton is starting to loosen up!
2007-08-02 19:26:44
97.   natepurcell
Absolutely worthless outing by Brett Tomko so far.
2007-08-02 19:26:48
98.   fordprefect
We're going tomorrow for a matinee. loved the first, the second made me seasick (hypersensitive to that level of video-game motion); optimistic about the 3rd.

-jaiziz, Tomko looks awful.

2007-08-02 19:27:22
99.   Bluebleeder87
sigh, bases loaded Let's hope he can get a DP.
2007-08-02 19:28:33
100.   NorCal-Dodger
DJ is in the pen loosening up
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2007-08-02 19:29:03
101.   trainwreck
I think it is time to stop throwing the curve for a bit.
2007-08-02 19:29:09
102.   Bob Timmermann
With Edgar Renteria leaving with an injury and the Braves using all of their other infielders as pinch hitters, Chipper Jones is now at short.
2007-08-02 19:29:17
103.   Wilbert Robinson
cyr, orenduff, mcdonald none of them are on the 40 man.
2007-08-02 19:29:28
104.   Andrew Shimmin
I think Canuck's right that bringing up Hammes could be a good idea. He's already on the 40 man roster (Orenduff isn't), though, since it looks like Schmidt is still on the 15 day DL, instead of the 60 day, that's not really a problem.
2007-08-02 19:30:11
105.   fordprefect
They're not booing Bonds, Vin...
2007-08-02 19:30:57
106.   Some Guy in San Diego
Wow, Tomko's expression on the mound makes it appear that he's completely lost, and has no idea what he's doing wrong or how to fix it. Kinda sad.
2007-08-02 19:31:32
107.   trainwreck
I almost pity Brett right now.


2007-08-02 19:31:47
108.   Curtis Lowe
Is it just me or does Tomko look like he's enjoying this failure? Almost like he's actually trying to get DFA'd
2007-08-02 19:32:24
109.   MC Safety
97- best assesment yet. nice little smile by tomko is this really funny?
2007-08-02 19:32:38
110.   jasonungar07
They are still booing Bonds. lol
2007-08-02 19:32:49
111.   NorCal-Dodger
I think Tomko did this, so that the late arriving fans could see BB take antoher at bat in the 2nd.
2007-08-02 19:33:07
112.   Bluebleeder87
Call up Orenduff go all crazy and try MacDonald.

sometimes I miss Tommy Lasorda for those exact things, he'd do wacky things like that & it worked many times!

2007-08-02 19:33:17
113.   Andrew Shimmin
So, that happened.
2007-08-02 19:33:36
114.   trainwreck
No, they are booing Brett. I distinctly heard a Tomko Sucks chant.
2007-08-02 19:33:59
115.   fordprefect
Thought they were booing Tomko. I would be
2007-08-02 19:34:16
116.   Bluebleeder87
his confidence all year has been like that, you knew it was gonna be "this kind of a game" you just knew it.
2007-08-02 19:34:26
117.   Wilbert Robinson
hammes numbers in AA this year are very mediocre. 1.35 whip 4.08 ERA.
2007-08-02 19:34:33
118.   Greg Brock
I would call that an unimpressive first inning by Brett Tomko.
2007-08-02 19:34:45
119.   Gen3Blue
2010 Pitching staff Bills, Oreduff, Elbert, Kershaw, MacDonald or substiture as needed from the D's system. They would have to be insane to give another dollar to a pitcher. What with Driefart, Perez, Schmidt, Wolf and others, I've finally had it.
2007-08-02 19:34:53
120.   Bob Timmermann
1 inning or less starts by Dodger pitchers in the last 50 years:

Sandy Koufax has the most with 15.

2007-08-02 19:35:26
121.   fordprefect
meant 110, nevermind.
2007-08-02 19:35:53
122.   Gen3Blue
The only compensation is that the Giants owe Zito 120 MIL.
2007-08-02 19:36:09
123.   NorCal-Dodger
[119} Even if it was Johan Santana?
2007-08-02 19:36:30
124.   jasonungar07
110...yeah that was a joke. I know they are booing Tomko!
2007-08-02 19:37:52
125.   Greg Brock
If you are a booing person by nature, this is one hell of a good night to show up.

Tomko and Bonds. Booing paradise.

2007-08-02 19:38:08
126.   Andrew Shimmin
117- That's true, but his walk rate is good, and his K9 is okay. He's been having what looks like bad luck on BABIP. He's also giving up too many home runs, so, who knows. Of the people on the 40 man who aren't up already, he's the one I'd want.
2007-08-02 19:38:11
127.   Gen3Blue
119 Santana would develop simultaneous elbow and shoulder prblems if the D's went near him.
2007-08-02 19:38:22
128.   Branch Rickey
71. I believe there may have been largely unreported incidents with Guzman (Even while he in the big leagues) the cemented the Dodgers concerns about him.
2007-08-02 19:38:47
129.   underdog
No, they're saying Booo-onds, Booo-onds.

No wait, they're saying, Booo-omko, Boooo-omko.

So, what else is on TV tonight?

New episode of 30 Rock?

2007-08-02 19:39:05
130.   Wilbert Robinson
whatever happened to Joe Mays?
2007-08-02 19:39:27
131.   NorCal-Dodger
127 But, wait a minute we got the best trainer in Stan Conte??
2007-08-02 19:41:29
132.   Sam DC
Astros get a grand slam from Mike Lamb to tie Atlanta in the 8th.
2007-08-02 19:41:46
133.   underdog
Yeah, Joe Mays, good question - he can't be any worse than Tomko, right? Well, he might be just as bad. I don't think anyone signed him, did they?
2007-08-02 19:43:23
134.   Gen3Blue
Vizquel runs up as if to bunt and then had to run away from a Tomko inside mistake. That was kind of funny. About my only chuckle tonight.
2007-08-02 19:45:14
135.   Bluebleeder87
that was an impressive one legit beebe of a throw by Furcal, wow.
2007-08-02 19:45:14
136.   capdodger
It looks like the Dodgers are just going to go throught the motions on this one. Tomko has dropped three return throws? Martin has kicked away a few?


2007-08-02 19:45:16
137.   NorCal-Dodger
If Tomko keeps this up...Bonds will get a chance every inning!
2007-08-02 19:48:19
138.   NorCal-Dodger
A moral victory of sorts for runs allowed
2007-08-02 19:48:27
139.   Gen3Blue
Two or three homers in a row to put poor Tomko out of his misery would probably be a blessing long run.
2007-08-02 19:49:30
140.   Greg Brock
136 It's the middle of the 2nd inning.
2007-08-02 19:49:32
141.   MC Safety
seeing james pitch in the bigs would be right up there for there anyone that has made a similar leap at that age and level? what was it a year and a half of single A ball?
2007-08-02 19:50:12
142.   capdodger
Berman keeps comparing reactions in East Coast and Flyover Cities to the reaction that could occur in LA. Someone really needs to tell Berman that, in Los Angeles, Barry Bonds would get booed walking down his driveway to pick up his newspaper.

That's why he has people for those kinds of things.

2007-08-02 19:50:28
143.   Gen3Blue
I don't think Zito has much, but he does have the ability to shoot a cripple, and we are in that state. Someone needs an individual effort at this point.
2007-08-02 19:53:30
144.   capdodger
140 Sure. It may have been, but the Giants had aready had more than a dozen PAs.
2007-08-02 19:54:49
145.   Marty
I well remember when the games started at 8 p.m. Back when night games were played at night. And we liked it!
2007-08-02 19:57:13
146.   Marty
Too bad Penny isn't pitching. It would be an Alyssa Milano trifecta.
2007-08-02 19:59:11
147.   Bob Timmermann
I doubt Barry Bonds gets booed picking up his morning paper at his Beverly Hills home.
2007-08-02 19:59:22
148.   capdodger
Ok.... I'm going to be positive. Tomko still has a chance for a quality start.
2007-08-02 19:59:24
149.   Gen3Blue
147 Too bad Hendy isn't pitching, and thats saying something for me.
2007-08-02 19:59:29
150.   NorCal-Dodger
Maybe she should shed some interest in Brett, can't hurt at this point.
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2007-08-02 20:00:13
151.   Greg Brock
It's always nice when the camera can catch your manager throwing in a fat dip.
2007-08-02 20:00:58
152.   Bob Timmermann
If Tomko were to get a win, he would be Ruetering the victory.
2007-08-02 20:01:01
153.   NorCal-Dodger
At the rate Tomko's going...he'll reach his 100 pitch count by the 4th. Does Grady keep him in to give him a chance for a 'W'??
2007-08-02 20:01:08
154.   underdog
146 Alyssa Milano could be pitching and at least then I'd be interested in watching.
2007-08-02 20:01:20
155.   capdodger
147 True. True. But no one who lives there is actually from the area, or ever at home.
2007-08-02 20:02:05
156.   Bluebleeder87

He needs to ease those nerves with Tomko pitching today, Greg.

2007-08-02 20:02:21
157.   underdog
Yeah the good news is this game isn't out of reach (yet) and Tomko has a high pitch count so maybe the team can still be in the game but Tomko will be pulled.

Of course, the Dodgers have to actually score some runs for any of that to matter.

2007-08-02 20:02:23
158.   Andrew Shimmin
I'm watching out of the corner of my eye, but it looks like Tomko's fastball (he's using the cutter or whatever, right?) is sitting at 89. Is that a reasonable drop off from a 95 MPH two seamer?
2007-08-02 20:04:38
159.   Bluebleeder87
I know Tomko has reached 93MPH but he's steady at 87-90MPH that can't be good.
2007-08-02 20:04:48
160.   Gen3Blue
This year it feels like ther have been two kind of games. The ones the D's have won, and the one's they have been buried by the second inning.
2007-08-02 20:04:52
161.   Andrew Shimmin
As soon as I submit that, he starts hitting 91 and 92. So, never mind.
2007-08-02 20:05:12
162.   NorCal-Dodger
Wasn't Alyssa connected with Carl Pavano also??
2007-08-02 20:05:26
163.   Greg Brock
158 I don't think he sat at 95 as a starter. But he hit 94-95 out of the pen.
2007-08-02 20:07:00
164.   Marty
162 Yes, but I was thinking of total Alyssa-manpower available on the field tonight.
2007-08-02 20:07:30
165.   Bluebleeder87

I'm thinking it's his fastball Andrew but don't take my word for it, If it's a cutter it isn't cutting from what I see.

2007-08-02 20:08:28
166.   capdodger
165 It's cutting, allright. He just has no idea where it's cutting to.
2007-08-02 20:08:40
167.   NorCal-Dodger
Well, Carl is still injured, can't pitch, bloated contract..he'll be a Dodger, soon enough
2007-08-02 20:09:27
168.   Andrew Shimmin
Does throwing it in the dirt count as cutting? Or is he throwing it straight into the dirt?
2007-08-02 20:09:47
169.   Sam DC
On to 11 in ATL/TBS.
2007-08-02 20:11:03
170.   Greg Brock
I'd just sling a lot of garbage outside if I were Barry Zito too.

Stop swinging at it. All of you.

2007-08-02 20:11:37
171.   capdodger
Jon Lovitz is drunk.
2007-08-02 20:13:05
172.   Greg Brock
171 You just think he's drunk...


2007-08-02 20:13:10
173.   fordprefect
2007-08-02 20:13:36
174.   WillieD
145 I well remember when the games started at 8 p.m. Back when night games were played at night. And we liked it!

Yeah, and those of us who were little kids, laying in bed, listening to Willie Davis glide over for yet another fine catch, fell asleep. Those were the days.... Except for now, with nearly every game to be seen too, by by dish or by net. Sure is a treat still hearing Vin Scully on these home games.

2007-08-02 20:13:48
175.   Marty
I don't know if Lovitz is drunk, but I do know he is insane.
2007-08-02 20:14:35
176.   Andrew Shimmin
It's disappointing that Pentel is the official pen of the Dodgers. Maybe they're just a generic sponsor. I bet the D'backs' official pen is the Pilot G2.
2007-08-02 20:15:51
177.   Gen3Blue
The D's sure look like whipped puppies stem to stern at this point. Can anyone surmount the psychology?
2007-08-02 20:16:43
178.   capdodger
I just kept waiting for him to drop an F-bomb live on the air.

I also find it somehwat amusing that Berman kept talking about him as if he were a Giants fan. The guy is sitting there in a blue shirt. Dense.

2007-08-02 20:16:47
179.   Bluebleeder87

maybe a little of both Marty.

2007-08-02 20:18:07
180.   Ken Noe
Andy Dick must be a big Bud Selig fan.
2007-08-02 20:19:22
181.   Bob Timmermann
Are there any minor celebrities who are Giants fans aside from Huey Lewis?
2007-08-02 20:20:10
182.   Greg Brock
181 I believe Robin Williams is a Giants fan.
2007-08-02 20:20:23
183.   Gen3Blue
Oh Tomko almost maimed Dave Roberts with a lost curve. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets one of Bonds knees tonight. If I were the Giants I'd have my subs in for safety.
2007-08-02 20:20:37
184.   trainwreck
Robin Williams should be a minor celebrity.
2007-08-02 20:20:42
185.   dkminnick
181 Chris Isaak
2007-08-02 20:22:17
186.   capdodger
Hey... That was a one-two-three inning.
2007-08-02 20:23:19
187.   Bluebleeder87
Tomko stringed together 2 good innings with Bonds coming up in the next inning.
2007-08-02 20:23:22
188.   Sam DC
So, Barry Bonds pays $500 for a bat that Alfonso Soriano gets for $47.

Did I miss something?

2007-08-02 20:25:05
189.   underdog
Yay! A hit for Martin! Huzzah!
2007-08-02 20:25:06
190.   Bob Timmermann
Apparently, Rogers Hornsby doesn't count as a second baseman for the purposes of the AFLAC trivia question.
2007-08-02 20:26:21
191.   Greg Brock
Barry Zito's Pre-game routine:

Strum Cat Stevens tunes on his acoustic

2007-08-02 20:26:24
192.   Andrew Shimmin
181- Wikipedia used to have a list, but it was deleted.
2007-08-02 20:26:49
193.   capdodger
188 It's the phoenix tailfeather core that pumps up the price.
2007-08-02 20:28:10
194.   twerp
On Alyssa's latest Q&A she says she barely even knows Martin, let alone dates him.

Says she's given up dating athletes. FWIW.

2007-08-02 20:28:41
195.   Andrew Shimmin
Yeah. I don't doubt Bonds has boned up on his understanding of the judicial process.
2007-08-02 20:30:54
196.   Frip
"Aristotle with a Fastball"

That's pretty lame.

2007-08-02 20:31:07
197.   underdog
Bah! Loney... sigh.
2007-08-02 20:31:31
198.   dkminnick
191 That Yusef Islam to you, buddy!
2007-08-02 20:32:37
199.   Bob Timmermann
But can Barry Zito name all the presidents in order?

Can he name all the vice presidents in order?

(I can't do the latter.)

2007-08-02 20:33:57
200.   Gen3Blue
Yeah Bob, whats with the Rajah. Did he just fail to get an Mvp or did they assign him another position. He was better than some of the answers.
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2007-08-02 20:34:05
201.   Bob Timmermann
Are there real fireflies in Southern California? I have never seen any.
2007-08-02 20:34:58
202.   trainwreck
I did not even know fireflies existed in CA.
2007-08-02 20:35:56
203.   Bob Timmermann
The Rajah was MVP twice!

I think they were only counting BBWAA MVP choices. They didn't take over the voting until 1931.

2007-08-02 20:36:06
204.   Bluebleeder87
if anything as each inning passes by Tomkos confidence seems to be getting better witch is nice to see.
2007-08-02 20:36:18
205.   Greg Brock
201 Oh, yeah. Just head down to Sunset at around 2:00pm. They're sitting there with Martinis and Gin and Tonics, hitting on every young man that strolls in for a late lunch.

Oh, you said "fire" flies...No idea.

2007-08-02 20:36:57
206.   NorCal-Dodger
Did Tomko get spiked??
2007-08-02 20:37:08
207.   capdodger
2007-08-02 20:37:28
208.   underdog
Loney just got Tomkoed. That was a beautiful play - on one end.
2007-08-02 20:37:30
209.   Gen3Blue
Nice play by Loney, he may have removed Tomko as well.
2007-08-02 20:37:32
210.   NorCal-Dodger
Brett, need to catch the bal first...nice play by Loney
2007-08-02 20:37:36
211.   Bob Timmermann
I have never seen a firefly in Southern California. Although there is a restaurant by that name in South Pasadena.

My niece in St. Louis could not fathom that Southern California did not have:
1) fireflies
2) cicadas
3) cardinals [birds]

2007-08-02 20:37:40
212.   trainwreck
Oh no, Tomko could be hurt. Tear.
2007-08-02 20:38:14
213.   underdog
I think Tomko did get spiked, yeah. Though after he'd dropped the ball. So he's hurt, and he can't even blame that on his error.
2007-08-02 20:38:16
214.   Greg Brock
Don't worry, folks...He's okay.


2007-08-02 20:38:17
215.   trainwreck
Well, we got cicadas up here in the Bay.
2007-08-02 20:39:04
216.   Bluebleeder87

I can a test that they do exist in Los Angeles but I only saw them once when I was about 10 years old, there's plenty of them down in Guadalajara, Mex. Though.

2007-08-02 20:39:29
217.   NorCal-Dodger we got the case of the dropsies
2007-08-02 20:39:35
218.   Frip
Cicadas are so annoying. They're like having an army of Rosey O'Donalds outside your house.
2007-08-02 20:40:24
219.   Andrew Shimmin
Did he get spiked, or was it just the elbow in the back?
2007-08-02 20:40:45
220.   Gen3Blue
Not that I don't feel some empathy with Tomko, but that was a good throw by Loney, as soft as possible under the circumstances
2007-08-02 20:41:15
221.   jasonungar07
Now that Loney and Kemp are slumping a little our offense is sooooooo june-like
2007-08-02 20:41:45
222.   underdog
We don't have fireflies up here in the bay area, either. But we do have some mosquitoes with very tiny flashlights attached to their behinds as a sort of compromise.

214 Fan-tastic.

But you know, to his credit, Tomko has settled down a bit since the horrible start. This is almost like Tuesday night, where it didn't matter because the Dodgers offense couldn't do anything.

2007-08-02 20:41:50
223.   NorCal-Dodger
Question is, does Grady leave Tomko in, or PH for him??
2007-08-02 20:42:06
224.   capdodger
217 It's nothing new. See 136.

218 I moved to DC during our "Brood X" year. It was three weeks before I realized that that wasn't the normal background noise.

2007-08-02 20:42:34
225.   Marty
The South Pasadena restaurant is supposed to be good, but I've not been there. Going to dim sum Saturday at a Chinese restaurant that used to be a Farrel's Ice Cream Parlor.
2007-08-02 20:43:32
226.   ucladodger
Finally, Kemp breaks the o-fer. and we get to see Delwyn hit
2007-08-02 20:43:54
227.   Bob Timmermann
I have been to Firefly several times and it is very good.
2007-08-02 20:44:16
228.   Bluebleeder87
Looks like D.Young will get an at bat.
2007-08-02 20:44:28
229.   underdog
223 It is a tough call, but I'd PH for him.
2007-08-02 20:45:05
230.   underdog
Let's go DY! Make an impact.
2007-08-02 20:45:05
231.   NorCal-Dodger
227 Did you oredered the chocoate dipped Cicadas' while Cardinal Mahoney say grace?
2007-08-02 20:46:14
232.   trainwreck
Delwyn stands really far off the plate.
2007-08-02 20:46:38
233.   Bob Timmermann
I order the cicadas every 17 years.
2007-08-02 20:48:43
234.   Sam DC
Hey, who's that sage in the booth?
2007-08-02 20:48:45
235.   underdog
Argh. Young just got "Grab some pine, Meat"-ed by Krukow. Couldn't get to the inside fastball .
2007-08-02 20:48:45
236.   Gen3Blue
Who we got hitting for Tom--Young? and now he's gone.
2007-08-02 20:49:13
237.   Andrew Shimmin
234- Shaft?
2007-08-02 20:49:58
238.   underdog
Well, Furcal comes through and now we got our clutchy, power-y hitter coming up.
2007-08-02 20:50:06
239.   Bluebleeder87
Go deep Pierre!
2007-08-02 20:50:17
240.   Bob Timmermann
I hear that Shaft is a bad ...
2007-08-02 20:50:38
241.   NorCal-Dodger
Jp for the bloop bunt double down the 3rd baseline
2007-08-02 20:52:10
242.   capdodger
Time to shine Russ.
2007-08-02 20:52:11
243.   NorCal-Dodger
Walk is just as good
2007-08-02 20:52:22
244.   MC Safety
2007-08-02 20:52:27
245.   Bluebleeder87
louded up for golden Boy Russell.
2007-08-02 20:52:30
246.   Greg Brock
Loading the bases for Russell Martin by walking certain other inferior players.


2007-08-02 20:52:40
247.   capdodger
2007-08-02 20:52:51
248.   Bob Timmermann
Two-run homer by Matt Diaz ties it up 11-11 in Atlanta in the 12th.
2007-08-02 20:53:02
249.   Gen3Blue
You know, I appreciate Tomko settling down and doing well, but with a team like this, getting buried in the first inning can be fatal. If we stay the course that shouldn't be true in a few years. But right now the team is a mix of nervous rookies and tired vets. I wouldn't have things any other way. I can wait a year or two, despite my age.
And who knows, we might get lucky.
2007-08-02 20:53:09
250.   Frip
C'mon little wise beyond your years bobble head man.
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2007-08-02 20:54:35
251.   Bluebleeder87
oh man, 3-1 to Russell
2007-08-02 20:54:35
252.   fordprefect
shut your mouth!

-somebody had to do it..

2007-08-02 20:54:37
253.   MC Safety
crunch time...
2007-08-02 20:55:08
254.   Greg Brock
We're doing that Oakland thing?
2007-08-02 20:55:17
255.   Sam in SC
wow. when zito loses it, does it always disappear all at once?
2007-08-02 20:55:38
256.   Bob Timmermann
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
2007-08-02 20:56:11
257.   Andrew Shimmin
252- It used to be D4P's job to tell Bob to sit down and shut up. But he's been inconsistent. Well done, stepping up like that, though.
2007-08-02 20:57:55
258.   Greg Brock
We are assassins with the sacks drunk.

Dios Mio.

2007-08-02 20:58:08
259.   capdodger
255 Too bad he didn't lose it enough to give up a big hit.
2007-08-02 20:58:58
260.   Bob Timmermann
I think you missed out on the joke there:

2007-08-02 20:59:54
261.   Bluebleeder87
Juan Pierre looks like a french philosopher on that promo pic on his in my own words.
2007-08-02 20:59:58
262.   Andrew Shimmin
I still don't want to be a pipe fitter, but I'm glad they've got a new commercial. That woman was driving me nuts. I could tell she thought she was better than I am.
2007-08-02 21:00:23
263.   Frip
Vin just showed how cool he was with that line delivered with a perfect wink.
2007-08-02 21:01:31
264.   Andrew Shimmin
260- I know the song by heart, 257 was just clumsy. I knew as soon as I submitted it that it sounded like a was scolding him, but I didn't mean to.
2007-08-02 21:04:38
265.   Gen3Blue
Haven't we got Zito out of there yet. I'm for adding Laroche, even if we have a tough year eventually we'll get rid of these so-so starters.
2007-08-02 21:04:39
266.   Bob Timmermann
EDSP to the rescue! He throws much harder than I thought.
2007-08-02 21:06:07
267.   Greg Brock
Was that Mark Hendrickson?????
He gets to do commercials for us???

Mark Hendrickson!

2007-08-02 21:06:38
268.   Bob Timmermann
Wouldn't Mark Hendrickson scare most young children? He's an unusual choice for a commercial.
2007-08-02 21:07:06
269.   fordprefect
with you there.
2007-08-02 21:07:44
270.   Bob Timmermann
Speaking of commercials, Jack Stephan Plumbing has updated its commercial with a new actor and the last line isn't "We're in the white pages!"

The rest of the commercial is about the same. Slightly higher production values now.

2007-08-02 21:07:52
271.   Bluebleeder87
it seems like everybody is in a good mood today with the liquor they just showed Mr Cub Ernie Banks enjoying a cold logger.
2007-08-02 21:08:39
272.   underdog
EDSP = Proctor?
2007-08-02 21:09:27
273.   Greg Brock
2007-08-02 21:10:15
274.   underdog
This game is almost exactly like Tuesday's. Slow. Painful. Ends in death. Can we fast forward to Friday already? Bills. Kent is back. Hopefully, things won't be quite as blah.
2007-08-02 21:11:09
275.   underdog
At least Kemp's doing something.

273 Ah. I had the SP part...

2007-08-02 21:11:29
276.   Andrew Shimmin
I sent an email to the woman who interviewed Alyssa Milano for Dodgers on Demand a couple of days ago, asking if they could get somebody who wasn't crazy and deaf to mix their audio. She thanked me for my concerns and said she'd pass them along.
2007-08-02 21:11:47
277.   Bluebleeder87
that ball Kemp just hit looked like it had a lot of top spin/bottom spin? to it cause it dropped quite oddly
2007-08-02 21:11:55
278.   Greg Brock
274 That much faith in the Gents pen up two runs?
2007-08-02 21:12:25
279.   JoeyP
Why bat Zito in the top of the 6th if you're going to pull him with 2 outs in the bottom of the inning?
2007-08-02 21:13:45
280.   capdodger
279 Because MLB games are managed by MLB managers.
2007-08-02 21:14:15
281.   JoeyP
Bochy didnt trust Zito to get Lucille?

Anyways, Kemp was out by a mile.

2007-08-02 21:15:10
282.   ucladodger
Kemp has speed, but when he gets thrown out stealing, theres no doubt about it.
2007-08-02 21:15:28
283.   Frip
We're one of those mediocre teams aren't we.
2007-08-02 21:15:45
284.   Bob Timmermann
If Retire 55 were here, he would have to reconcile Bochy's handling of Zito with his opinion of Little.
2007-08-02 21:16:43
285.   Bluebleeder87

the reason that hurts is because RM2© will lead off, sigh.

2007-08-02 21:17:17
286.   underdog
Meloan had another shutout inning tonight, one hit, one K. The 51s offense didn't fare any better than the Dodgers' (so far).
2007-08-02 21:17:56
287.   Daniel Zappala
We're still on track for my prediction of 8-3, Dodgers. Just 7 more runs in the last three frames. Does everyone like Proctor yet?
2007-08-02 21:18:31
288.   capdodger
So. When Barry comes up, will Grady stick with Proctor? Go to Beimel? Double switch Beimel in for Kemp?
2007-08-02 21:18:31
289.   Greg Brock
286 A few of us watched him pitch. For a kid who throws hard, he sure does throw a ton of breaking stuff.
2007-08-02 21:19:05
290.   Bob Timmermann
We don't like guys who walk Omar Vizquel.
2007-08-02 21:19:09
291.   underdog
Joe West sure does like squeezing pitchers doesn't he?

So Beimel has to come in to face Bonds, right?

2007-08-02 21:19:40
292.   Greg Brock
287 It wasn't ever really about Proctor. Proctor has dirty stuff. It's the Betemit for a middle reliever thing.

But Proctor, on his own, is fine.

2007-08-02 21:20:20
293.   capdodger

Or One.

2007-08-02 21:20:31
294.   JoeyP
Walk him Scott.
Dont go down in history.
2007-08-02 21:20:58
295.   trainwreck
Why are we giving them a free base? So stupid.
2007-08-02 21:21:09
296.   underdog
289 Oh right, I'm sorry I couldn't watch that game. Well, I'll see Meloan soon enough - or within a month, anyway.

I like Proctor fine. I wish they'd start him, frankly.

Huh, leaving Proctor in, which means they'll IBB Bonds, and there we go. Odds are we won't see Bonds hit again this series and that's it.

2007-08-02 21:21:28
297.   JoeyP
Barry was 1-1 off Proctor.
2007-08-02 21:21:37
298.   nick
EDSP can get wild occasionally; on the other hand, he's vulnerable to the long ball against power lefties, so....
2007-08-02 21:21:52
299.   NorCal-Dodger
Not in our house!!
2007-08-02 21:22:12
300.   Bluebleeder87
sets off the double play why are they booing! 292 you hit it right on a tee there.
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2007-08-02 21:22:51
301.   underdog
Couldn't we have said we were trading them Betemit for Proctor but sent them another player who looks like a chipmunk and kept Wilson?
2007-08-02 21:23:06
302.   JoeyP
This just means more Giants games on ESPN.
2007-08-02 21:23:24
303.   Sam in SC
now he is the padres' problem.
2007-08-02 21:23:37
304.   Bluebleeder87
poor Beimel was all pumped up ready to go for nothing.
2007-08-02 21:23:50
305.   Andrew Shimmin
302- As opposed to more X-games? I willing to live with it.
2007-08-02 21:23:59
306.   natepurcell
proctor throw 4 different pitches...why can't he start?
2007-08-02 21:24:04
307.   SG6
Watching Dodgers walk Bonds right now, does anyone recall last night? After a 2-0 count, they went to intentionally walk him. Before the third 'intentional' pitch, Bonds threw his Elbow Protector aside in anticipation.

I thought at that point the Dodgers should have pitched to him.

This time, he kept the gear on.

2007-08-02 21:24:37
308.   trainwreck
That was appropriate.
2007-08-02 21:24:38
309.   Gen3Blue
At this point it seems unfortunate that the D's don't have 3 really good pinch hitters!
2007-08-02 21:24:59
310.   JoeyP
Well, Proctor looks like a middle reliever.
2007-08-02 21:24:59
311.   underdog
Uh, just kidding in 301 Nick. ;-)

Man, I get irked when Giants announcers make fun of Dodger fans for leaving early - they're talking now about last night's game. I guarantee a good number of those fans who did leave after Bonds' last at bat were Giants fans, or people who came just to see Bonds.

Argh, I think we left EDSP in too long.

2007-08-02 21:25:00
312.   Bob Timmermann
Greg Maddux you're up next.
2007-08-02 21:25:06
313.   Daniel Zappala
292 And yet, when Seanez or Hernandez blows a game, we get upset. Maybe we undervalue middle relievers?
2007-08-02 21:25:19
314.   Andrew Shimmin
Dear Scott Proctor,

Welcome to the Dodgers! When Pedro Feliz is up, throw sliders in the dirt. I know that sounds stupid, but, really--just do it.

Grr. Next time, I guess.

Andrew Shimmin

2007-08-02 21:25:48
315.   GMac In The 909
Roberto Hernandez could've done that.
2007-08-02 21:25:54
316.   Daniel Zappala
OK, I was a little bit late sending that one.
2007-08-02 21:26:20
317.   underdog
306 He can. But I guess we need him as a middle reliever to come bail out our mediocre 4th and 5th starters. As opposed to the other way around?
2007-08-02 21:26:41
318.   Frip
Another reason to hate Carl's Jr.
2007-08-02 21:26:54
319.   Greg Brock
313 Now is not the time for this, Professor.
2007-08-02 21:27:01
320.   King of the Hobos
306 Because he's had success, and no one wants to mess with success. Except the Devil Rays, they wanted to trade Wigginton for Proctor and then make Proctor a starter.
2007-08-02 21:27:46
321.   regfairfield
313 Problem is that there's very little differentating one middle reliever for another. Hernandez was just so bad he didn't even count.
2007-08-02 21:27:58
322.   JoeyP
313--Well, usually the reason why pitchers are in middle relief are because they are poor to begin with.

Seems like good pitchers either start, close, or set-up.

2007-08-02 21:28:05
323.   Bluebleeder87
It's easy to say now but Grady should have brought in Beimel to face Bonds & maybe things would have worked out differently, oh well.
2007-08-02 21:30:10
324.   natepurcell

Proctor was a setup man in NY.

I mean, his stuff looks decent enough. Although it probably plays up when he can max out for an inning. His fb velocity was down a tick or two in that second inning of work there.

2007-08-02 21:31:56
325.   Bob Timmermann
I will go to AT&T Park and lock the exits until the game is over the next time I'm there.

The battle to change the perception that Dodger fans leave early (as opposed to fans of any other sports team) will never go away because it's an easy idea to hold on to.

It is true, but fans in other cities are ALL THE SAME WAY.

We had a comment yesterday that only 20% of the fans were in their seats when the game started Tuesday. Which would mean 45,000 people arrived late. Which is ludicrous.

But people like to play with numbers. The Baseball Hall of Fame claimed 75,000 people came to Gwynn and Ripken's induction. People who live in Cooperstown say there is no physical way for that many people to fit into the area available for viewing. Sounds nice doesn't it?

In the words of the Lionel Hutz, there's the truth and there's the "truth."

2007-08-02 21:33:17
326.   nick
324 Proctor can go two, but the problem is Torre took advantage of that, and after a few months he can't go two so well any more...his 2006 was very nice, though!....."Bronx Fans Bid Proctologist Adieu"....
2007-08-02 21:34:34
327.   Uncle Miltie
Just got back from Eugene and I'm not too happy to see that Betemit was traded (for middle reliever - a typical Ned Colletti move). Ned just undid one of his best moves from his tenure as the Dodgers GM. Scott Proctor is a decent pitcher, but his arm is in worse shape than Robert Downey Jr.'s liver. I have a visual in my head of Scott Proctor making a pitch and then jumping off the mound grabbing his arm (ala Brad Penny). On the positive side, Ned didn't trade any of the team's top prospects.

Pedro Feliz has the potential to grow a pretty grizzly looking beard.

2007-08-02 21:36:23
328.   Bob Timmermann
It's all over in Atlanta. Astros win 12-11 in 14 innings on a pinch single RBI from Jason Jennings.
2007-08-02 21:37:20
329.   Andrew Shimmin
325- I bet there were at least 75,000, if you get to count the total from each parallel universe.
2007-08-02 21:37:40
330.   Daniel Zappala
To continue my quixotic quest, the Angels have Justin Speier, former Toronto setup man, to pitch the 7th, since they already have Shields and KRod to pitch the later innings. So it's OK to get setup men to pitch the middle innings, right? Isn't that what we did with Proctor? Got the Yankees' setup man to pitch our 6th and 7th innings, along with Beimel? Just because someone pitches those innings doesn't make him a bad reliever.
2007-08-02 21:39:09
331.   Frip
That little blonde boy is gonna grow up to be a jerk.
2007-08-02 21:39:28
332.   natepurcell

all the angels spent was money though.

2007-08-02 21:39:32
333.   capdodger
My God! It's like Berman and Morgan have nothing to say about this game now that Bonds is out.
2007-08-02 21:41:02
334.   Bob Timmermann
The Pasadena PD says one million people line the Rose Parade route each New Year's Day. This would require the crowd to be almost 30 deep on both sides of the street for the entire five miles.
2007-08-02 21:41:55
335.   Gen3Blue
The D's pitchers are getting squeezed a bit here. I haven't been paying enough attention to say the Giant's pitchers have not.
2007-08-02 21:42:08
336.   Greg Brock
The "in the crowd" cam doesn't really bring much to the table.
2007-08-02 21:42:44
337.   natepurcell

"fertilizer! fertilizer!"

2007-08-02 21:43:11
338.   jasonungar07
Cowboy Joe and Klesko with the rule #1 violation
2007-08-02 21:43:15
339.   Greg Brock
335 It's that it's Joe West. Balls are strikes, strikes are balls, up is down.

Cowboy Joe is a trainwreck (no, not you)

2007-08-02 21:43:19
340.   Andrew Shimmin
KRod and Sheilds are both in the top 20 WXRL this year. Speir is 70th, twenty-three meaningless places below Joe Beimel. He's better than most relief pitchers, he's having a good year; but he's just not that useful.
2007-08-02 21:44:12
341.   Bob Timmermann
Speier might be more useful if he hadn't missed a couple of months for reasons that kept changing.
2007-08-02 21:44:53
342.   fordprefect
Vizquel...amazing ...
2007-08-02 21:45:16
343.   Andrew Shimmin
334- I spent a New Year's Eve out in the gutter one year. I'm telling you, there were twenty million people, easy. Every one of them stepped on my feet or hands (or both). And half of them tried to steal my wallet.
2007-08-02 21:46:46
344.   Bluebleeder87

coming up to bat.

2007-08-02 21:47:30
345.   nick
I love Betemit, but wonder how much Torre will play could've kept Betemit, I think--but you would have had to take Farnsworth along with Proctor....
2007-08-02 21:48:10
346.   Gen3Blue
Wow, I hadn't realized what a narrow band Gonzo can cover. But he has been good offensively until very recently. I am afraid we are into our mandatory late summer slump already. I am afraid with our absent pitching staff this is really going to hurt. I hope Arizona doesn't have a good run right now.
2007-08-02 21:48:28
347.   Bluebleeder87
cowboy Joe West has been kind of inconsistent tonight witch is pretty frustrating.
2007-08-02 21:48:34
348.   Bob Timmermann
Bonds should face Maddux, Hensley, and Germano in San Diego.
2007-08-02 21:48:58
349.   Bob Timmermann
Other Giants players are invited too.
2007-08-02 21:49:08
350.   Andrew Shimmin
Because I read True Blue L.A. this afternoon, I know that I don't have to cluck my tongue at Martin's dive.
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2007-08-02 21:49:16
351.   fordprefect
that was great, but I still miss the logic behind sliding (much less head-first) into first...
2007-08-02 21:49:17
352.   JoeyP
Martin slides head first into 1st base.
2007-08-02 21:49:21
353.   Greg Brock
Russell, don't be a moron like Kent.
2007-08-02 21:49:52
354.   Gen3Blue
Sure, Martin beat it, but he might have beat it by more running. He mustn't kill himself trying to revive this team!
2007-08-02 21:49:58
355.   underdog
325 Absolutely. And to make matters worse, the Giants broadcast constantly cuts to shots of the roads outside the stadium, so they can show cars leaving before the game's over, so the announcer's can make some quip about it. It's literally been like this for years and drives me mad. At least Gary Radnich up here called people on it on his radio show, saying that Giants fans are leaving early a lot this year (and last).

Hustle Martin!

2007-08-02 21:51:00
356.   underdog
Btw, I turned it away from the game for a bit and came to one conclusion: You do not want to watch "The Wire" on BET. It's like half a silent movie, with all the silent swear words bleeps they do. Not the way to watch that show.
2007-08-02 21:51:08
357.   Greg Brock
350 I don't want broken fingers. I don't care what Physics McGee guy said.
2007-08-02 21:51:22
358.   Bluebleeder87
we're in business, come on Loney!
2007-08-02 21:52:56
359.   Bob Timmermann
It's not like you can show cars departing AT&T Park. The people are all over the place or they're catching a bus.

And when the Giants played at Candlestick, you couldn't see the parking lot that easily.

Candlestick's access by car for a crowded game was worse than a sold out Rose Bowl.

2007-08-02 21:52:57
360.   trainwreck
Wow, you can actually stand to listen to Gary Radnich?
2007-08-02 21:54:05
361.   Uncle Miltie
Sliding into 1st base headfirst slows you down, Russell!

So who's to blame for the headfirst slide - Roberto Alomar?

An easy way to mess up your wrist...

2007-08-02 21:54:08
362.   underdog
345 So it would've been a 2 for none trade? I could've lived with that one. We could just make Farnsworth mascot or something.
2007-08-02 21:54:39
363.   Bob Timmermann
Don't most adults go through a stage where they're 5'2" and weigh around 99 lbs?

I believe it's called childhood.

2007-08-02 21:55:24
364.   trainwreck
Not if you are a female in my mom's family.
2007-08-02 21:55:51
365.   Daniel Zappala
332 It's one argument to say that we overpaid for Proctor. But many are basing their argument against the trade on the grounds that he will be a middle reliever for this team and he is therefore worthless. I'm simply establishing that not all middle relievers are necessarily bad and that he fills a need on the team. I'd much rather he was in the game than Seanez or Hernandez. There's a very real chance that, for this team, he saves us a number of losses by avoiding that part of the bullpen.

I'll grant you that it's possible Betemit is worth more than Proctor, but I don't think it is so black-and-white as giving up a starting 3rd baseman for a pitcher of no value, as some have made it out to be.

2007-08-02 21:56:06
366.   Bob Timmermann
Players were sliding into first back in the Deadball Era. Branch Rickey was trying hard to get his players to stop.
2007-08-02 21:56:39
367.   Bluebleeder87

I was at candlestick once & the stadium pretty much looks like a UFO landed there atleast that's how we felt when we first saw it back when I was 16 or there abouts.

2007-08-02 21:57:56
368.   Uncle Miltie
Great at bat by Loney
2007-08-02 21:58:19
369.   trainwreck
Hoorah, Saenz.
2007-08-02 21:58:37
370.   jasonungar07
Gonna say 366 my first thought is Pete Rose.
2007-08-02 21:58:48
371.   Greg Brock
Playing the percentages...Completely incorrectly.

It's so crazy, it just might work.

2007-08-02 21:59:04
372.   Bluebleeder87
The Tomato in with the bases Jacked! I'm kind of liking these odds Saenz is WAY! due for theatrics.
2007-08-02 21:59:46
373.   Daniel Zappala
I would also take Speier, with a 2.08 ERA, 196 ERA+, 0.932 WHIP, over most of the Dodger relievers. He's been out a bit this year, so that's why his overall value has been down, but he's a great reliever for their bullpen. The Angels lost a lot of games while he was out by relying on the back end of the bullpen for that stretch.
2007-08-02 22:00:13
374.   capdodger
371 It's the Rudy or Olmedo. The only players left on the bench are Kent and Martin's backup.
2007-08-02 22:00:20
375.   regfairfield
365 But as Jon as pointed out repeatedly, middle reliever performance is highly variable over one year, let alone two months. Only the most elite relievers can be counted on for any kind of performance, and even then, the best can falter for 20 innings.

Proctor had one year where he might of transcended his middle reliever label (barely), but the way he's regressed this year, he's not even average in any relevant category.

2007-08-02 22:00:24
376.   Bob Timmermann
I remember when we all liked Saenz. I think it was in May.

Now, everybody wants his head on a pike staff.

2007-08-02 22:00:26
377.   JoeyP
Can we pinch hit Betemit for Saenz?

Nope--so it'll be Saenz vs a right hander.

2007-08-02 22:01:11
378.   ryu
Saenz. Gulp.
2007-08-02 22:01:12
379.   Uncle Miltie
Will anyone be surprised if Old Maid strikes out or hits into a double play?
2007-08-02 22:01:46
380.   Bob Timmermann
So will Kent come in to play second or are the Dodgers going to have Nomar over there and Saenz at third?
2007-08-02 22:01:58
381.   trainwreck
Awesome, three pitches.
2007-08-02 22:02:03
382.   JoeyP
I dont blame Olmedo there.
That isnt his spot.

He should only be used vs left handed pitching.

2007-08-02 22:02:08
383.   underdog
No comment on Saenz's at bat. (Thought that low strike didn't help.) Sad, sad shell of his former self.
2007-08-02 22:02:12
384.   natepurcell
that was horrible.
2007-08-02 22:02:15
385.   Bob Timmermann
If I paid attention to the batting order, I wouldn't ask dumb questions.
2007-08-02 22:02:20
386.   regfairfield
376 Still my boy for life.
2007-08-02 22:02:49
387.   trainwreck
I have hated Saenz since he was an A, before it was cool.
2007-08-02 22:02:55
388.   Gen3Blue
I'm afraid our Tomato has dried.
And now we rest our case on Martinez!
2007-08-02 22:03:20
389.   JoeyP
Dodgers could pinch hit LaRoche for Lucille.
In September.
2007-08-02 22:05:27
390.   Greg Brock
We really need to stop loading the bases.
2007-08-02 22:05:27
391.   underdog
2007-08-02 22:05:41
393.   trainwreck
Are we some statistically anomaly when it comes to the bases loaded? We should not be this bad.
2007-08-02 22:05:45
394.   jasonungar07
anyone care for a drink?
2007-08-02 22:06:29
395.   underdog
389 Even money says LaRoche will be up well before then. Or at least, that's where I'm placing my bets.
2007-08-02 22:07:31
396.   underdog
394 One step, or twelve, behind you, my friend.

It's obvious the Dodgers missed Kent this series, no doubt about it. But they shouldn't be so dependent on him, either. LaRoche coming up would really strengthen the bench a bit.

2007-08-02 22:07:57
397.   streetjustice
Our bench has gone from arguably a strength to likely a weakness.
A Hernandez appearance is analagous to waving a white flag
2007-08-02 22:07:57
398.   trainwreck
2007-08-02 22:08:47
399.   Bluebleeder87
just watching RM2 up there wiggling the bat didn't in still confidence, but he does play good D so it evens out.
2007-08-02 22:09:30
400.   trainwreck
Not really.
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2007-08-02 22:09:34
401.   Bob Timmermann
The Dodgers aren't even the worst team in the majors with the bases loaded. Coming into the game, four teams were worse.

The Blue Jays and Royals are very good with the bases loaded! So are the Giants!

2007-08-02 22:09:55
402.   fordprefect
Pan-Galactic Gargle Blaster, if you please.
2007-08-02 22:10:42
403.   Bluebleeder87

Lyle Lovett slowly raises hand.

2007-08-02 22:12:39
404.   underdog
402 Watching this game is sort of like listening to Vogon poetry, isn't it?

Nice pick there by Nomar.

Yeah, any game that begins with Tomko and ends with Hernandez is generally not going to be a happy occasion.

2007-08-02 22:12:49
405.   fordprefect
Anybody see him perform lately? We had to give up our tickets for last week's SB Bowl show, coz our 14-yr.old come down with pneumonia.
2007-08-02 22:12:53
406.   capdodger
402 Yeah. I find this game so frustrating sometimes that I want to smash by brains out with a lemon-wrapped large gold brick.

Make mine a double.

2007-08-02 22:13:20
407.   Greg Brock
401 Behind the White Sox, A's, Rangers, and Indians. Three losing records, the Indians, and we're worst in the NL.

Thanks for the pick-me-up!

2007-08-02 22:13:39
408.   trainwreck
Frankly, I was expecting things to be worse before the game started.

So I guess that is a positive.

2007-08-02 22:13:43
409.   Bob Timmermann
I saw Lyle Lovett on New Year's Eve at Disney Hall. He was great.
2007-08-02 22:14:10
410.   Bluebleeder87
Hannessey was kind of wild in the last inning hopefully the Dodgers will make him throw some pitches.
2007-08-02 22:15:05
411.   fordprefect
Rather like reading the Bulwer-Lytton winners too. After a course of thorazine.
2007-08-02 22:16:19
412.   Bob Timmermann
The Dodgers have the third highest batting average in the majors with runners on 2nd and 3rd.

They're fourth overall with runners in scoring position in any variety.

The bases loaded problem is just one of those things.

2007-08-02 22:16:24
413.   SG6
Off topic, YTD:

Correlation to runs/game(1 is perfect)
Interesting how close OBP and SLG are, each better than OPS+, and all better than BA. (this is via excel cut from

Dodgers rank #3 in OBP; Padres dead last.


0.7996 0.8928 0.8927 0.8825


PHI 5.44 0.278 0.356 0.459 117
ATL 4.91 0.276 0.340 0.430 110
COL 4.89 0.272 0.346 0.418 100
FLA 4.85 0.268 0.336 0.449 115
MIL 4.81 0.262 0.330 0.444 108
CHC 4.67 0.269 0.330 0.410 96
LAD 4.64 0.276 0.342 0.403 99
NYM 4.59 0.269 0.333 0.421 106
CIN 4.57 0.254 0.324 0.422 95
HOU 4.42 0.257 0.327 0.409 97
STL 4.41 0.270 0.334 0.400 98
SFG 4.31 0.252 0.323 0.381 92
SDP 4.24 0.243 0.312 0.389 94
ARI 4.17 0.248 0.317 0.405 89
PIT 4.14 0.254 0.313 0.390 89
WSN 3.84 0.249 0.316 0.369 88

2007-08-02 22:16:51
414.   Gen3Blue
Are the D's going into a psych. slump in which they become impotent. Or is it due to a random "luckless" spell. They clearly had the better offense tonight, though they didn't put it together or cluster.
I think the D-back series will provide an almost airtight test of this. The Dodgers are due statistically, but if they are feeling inferior, this is the team that will "kill them". I have actually gotten my self even more interested.
2007-08-02 22:17:02
415.   streetjustice
I wanted a Martin bobble head...I'll have to make do with my Martin hair doll
2007-08-02 22:17:09
416.   fordprefect
I hate pneumonia--especially in 14-yr-olds. And 12-yr-olds. And 11-yr-olds.
2007-08-02 22:17:59
417.   JoeyP
If the Dodgers dont rally tonight, this will mark their 4th consecutive series loss.
2007-08-02 22:18:18
418.   jasonungar07
orders are up. I got a Gin and Tonic and what loooks like a patron shot with margarita/rocks on the side. A coors light, three Sierra Nevadas. belvy and cran double and also last but not least johnnie walker, black rocks.

i'll just set the tray down.

2007-08-02 22:18:29
419.   trainwreck
But in 13 year olds it's cool.
2007-08-02 22:18:43
420.   das411
Jayson Werth = awesome.

carry on!

2007-08-02 22:18:43
421.   Bob Timmermann
I just don't think that the Dodgers not hitting well with the bases loaded is a really indicative of much. It's just one situation they don't hit well in. But they hit pretty well in other situations. And most of the time in a baseball game, the bases AREN'T loaded.
2007-08-02 22:19:26
422.   Greg Brock
418 I'll take the three Sierra Nevadas.


2007-08-02 22:19:53
423.   JoeyP
Almost a triple play.
2007-08-02 22:20:06
424.   fordprefect
That was the one year he didn't have it. I don't know what it is about July and this kid.
2007-08-02 22:20:08
425.   Greg Brock
421 Of course. It's random. But frustrating!
2007-08-02 22:20:24
426.   Hallux Valgus
Just got back from the game (I have an excuse- the people I went with have to drive back to Costa Mesa and then drive to Denver first thing in the morning).

What a surreal atmosphere. The place went crazy booing Bonds, but then as soon as pitch was thrown, half the stadium was flashbulbs. And when Bonds so much as swung, therew as a palpable "AAAH-" in the air, like everyone was just waiting to cheer. I'm sure they would've quickly collected themselves and booed.

I actually found myself cheering for every good thing Tomko did after the first inning, just because he was getting booed so mercilessly. That lasted until he dropped the relay from Loney, then I just shook my head and said, "you're on your own."

When Pierre came up in the fifth with two out, he started to square, and I yelled, "don't you dare bunt." I didn't even mean to, it just came out. Half a dozen people laughed.

I think my favorite moment was when D. Young came out on deck, and I cheered that I knew who it was. Then I had to explain it to the rest of the section.

So now BobbleRuss, BobbleRuss II, and I arew finishing off the game at home. These things are surprisingly sturdy.

Oh, and my brother got booed for knocking a beach ball over he edge of the loge. I gave him a high five.

2007-08-02 22:20:37
427.   underdog
From bad luck to good luck in one heartbeat. That could've been a double or triple play. Was also smoked, too.
2007-08-02 22:20:58
428.   Andrew Shimmin
Furry would have gotten back.
2007-08-02 22:21:24
429.   fordprefect
Now things are a bit more interesting. Too bad I'm so drink.
2007-08-02 22:21:47
430.   fordprefect
Err, drank.
2007-08-02 22:22:17
431.   Bob Timmermann
Please see Rule 11.
2007-08-02 22:22:22
432.   natepurcell
three Sierra Nevadas


2007-08-02 22:22:29
433.   fordprefect
Ah, never mind.
2007-08-02 22:22:30
434.   trainwreck
I'm not as think as you drunk I am.
2007-08-02 22:22:31
435.   Bluebleeder87
Russell is doing that pull thing the last two swings.
2007-08-02 22:23:22
436.   Andrew Shimmin
433- I thought it was funny.

The thing to know about Bob is: he's no fun.

2007-08-02 22:23:24
437.   Gen3Blue
Are we gettingthe Lefty?
2007-08-02 22:23:58
438.   Bluebleeder87
we gotta get this bases loaded thing right already!
2007-08-02 22:24:17
439.   Greg Brock
432 Back off. I called dibs.

You can have the silver bullet.

2007-08-02 22:24:49
440.   underdog
I was listening to the Dodgers broadcast because I couldn't take the Giants guys any more - did Charlie Steiner really just say that Hennessey "didn't like the call" on that ball 4? I think Hennessey was mad at himself - that ball was in the dirt and nowhere near a strike. Charlie may need a new eyeglass prescription.
2007-08-02 22:24:51
441.   JoeyP
Dodgers have to score more than 1 run this game.

11 hits (10 singles), 5 walks, and 1 run so far.

2007-08-02 22:24:56
442.   fordprefect
Oh, my mistake, these rules of which you speak apply to residents in the vicinity of Betelguese?
2007-08-02 22:25:09
443.   Gen3Blue
You can make hay in the sun, and night time too; with Mutant blue.
2007-08-02 22:25:44
444.   trainwreck
He's probably watching Shark Week on another TV.
2007-08-02 22:25:44
445.   natepurcell
You can have the silver bullet.

absolutely not yum.

2007-08-02 22:26:35
446.   jasonungar07
this game is like when you go to the dentist and your in the florid area and there is that thing with the suction in your mouth and they just set the timer there.....
2007-08-02 22:27:17
447.   fordprefect
My son thinks Nomar looks like a young Scott Glenn.
Snide whippersnapper.
2007-08-02 22:27:57
448.   Bluebleeder87
Steve Lyons made a good point when he said Russell Martin tends to try & pull everything when he's tired.
2007-08-02 22:27:57
449.   natepurcell
IBB nomar to loney?
2007-08-02 22:28:19
450.   JoeyP
If there ever was a time for Nomar's patented RBI singles, its right now.
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2007-08-02 22:28:19
451.   jasonungar07
Yeah I threw the coors light in there for that one guy who sticks with light water-ey beer all night.
2007-08-02 22:28:20
452.   fordprefect
Sorry, he meant Gonzo.
2007-08-02 22:28:54
453.   natepurcell
good move, i would have done the same thing. Loney has been struggs lately.
2007-08-02 22:29:06
454.   trainwreck
Come on Loney.
2007-08-02 22:29:09
455.   JoeyP
Loney >>>>Crappy Loogy

Make them pay James.

2007-08-02 22:29:26
456.   Gen3Blue
We almost got a double play there---Loney would have made one! We are close to getting the most men on base in a futile effort.
2007-08-02 22:29:31
457.   blue22
449 - Ideal time for a gimpy Kent though.

Woop, I guess not.

2007-08-02 22:29:46
458.   JoeyP
I give Little alot of credit for letting Loney hit here and not pinch hitting Kent.
2007-08-02 22:30:24
459.   underdog
So Loney will hit for himself and Kent would come up next if he keeps it going. Probably the only move you can make.
2007-08-02 22:30:55
460.   trainwreck
Slide James, slide!
2007-08-02 22:30:57
461.   JoeyP
2007-08-02 22:30:59
462.   blue22
458 - Yeah, nevermind. Hernandez's spot is next.

Oh well.

2007-08-02 22:31:03
463.   Greg Brock
2007-08-02 22:31:14
464.   natepurcell
I'm not liking Dodger baseball too much right now.
2007-08-02 22:31:24
465.   Bluebleeder87
what a jip! oh well. Tomorrow the D-Backs!
2007-08-02 22:31:49
466.   fordprefect
So, as Vin said, the circus is leaving town now, eh?
2007-08-02 22:32:17
467.   underdog
Well, that was appropriately anti-climatic.

I'm going to listen to Vogon poetry now, then some Chinese water torture, followed by a trip to the dentist, just to complete the cycle. Feh.

2007-08-02 22:32:33
468.   JoeyP
Dodgers need to win the series vs the Dbax---Billingsley/Lowe/Penny and the Dbax only throw Webb in the last game.
2007-08-02 22:33:19
469.   fordprefect
Is it safe?
2007-08-02 22:33:31
470.   underdog
We'll have Kent back tomorrow. We have Bills going. Soon we'll have LaRoche. Things aren't as bad as they seem.

Forget it, Jake, it's Chinatown.

Night all.

2007-08-02 22:34:38
471.   blue22
468 - Hopefully it's "Good Chad" tomorrow. The combination of "Bad Chad" vs. Doug Davis could make for another long evening with high pitch counts.
2007-08-02 22:36:02
472.   capdodger
465 Careful with the slurs there...
2007-08-02 22:36:08
473.   Bluebleeder87

I like the odds till then, asta manana

2007-08-02 22:36:19
474.   Greg Brock
470 Well said. Just one of those series. But it seems like it happens a lot when you don't have a lot of home run pop. You need lots of things to go right.

Bring on the Diamondbacks.

2007-08-02 22:39:53
475.   Greg Brock
Something to make you all feel better. We finally have flying cars!:,,70131-1278332,00.html

2007-08-02 22:41:40
476.   Gen3Blue
Loney had a chance to become legend. But Loney and Kemp both deserve to have horrible slumps after doing everything in the realm of possibility to win a chance with the Team. I wish it was different but we still have Young and LaRoche to go through the stations of the young. I can't help but think things will get progressively better but ohhh this slump could be really something. And what strategy for pitching? I have reached the point of only wanting unpaid pitchers from the organization.
2007-08-02 22:45:13
477.   scooplew
I just got in, took a cursory look at what had transpired, and came to the following conclusion: Tomko and Saenz are our most consistent players.
2007-08-02 22:48:00
478.   MMSMikey
was at another nausiating game tonight, a few observations.

1)as everyone knows. except grady little, the old tomato is done.

2)this is not the same team without kemp

3) cant blame this loss on tomko.

4) nomar looks a lot better at the plate.

2007-08-02 22:50:13
479.   MMSMikey
5)also, kemp gets awful jumps trying to steal bases.
2007-08-02 22:56:38
480.   Dodgers49
I'm not sure I understand doubleswitching Kemp out of the game if Grady wasn't going to let Beimel pitch the next inning. He could have just pinch hit for Beimel in that case and we would have had Kemp up instead of Tomato. Kemp was at least making contact tonight.
2007-08-02 23:08:10
481.   Dodgers49
I'm not sure if this is a true Depth Chart (in the sense that football teams use depth charts). It appears the position players are just listed in alphabetical order (after the starter). Otherwise, center field is very interesting. It would mean that should Juan Pierre suffer an injury our next center fielder would be ..... Andre Ethier.

2007-08-02 23:10:48
482.   Jon Weisman
New post up top.

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