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They Came To Bury Bonds, Not To Praise Him
2007-08-02 22:55
by Jon Weisman

Brett Tomko's command tonight was as bad as any Dodger starting pitcher I can recall seeing this season - he was wild every which way, and overthrowing on a number of releases - but the Dodgers almost won. In fact, Tomko almost got the win, somehow lasting five innings despite a 43-pitch first. He was one batter away from me wanting him pulled in each of the first two innings.

Opportunity lost for the Dodgers. Gotta move on. Like Barry Bonds.

* * *

Infielder Tony Abreu is still hurting, reminds Ken Gurnick of Unlike Hong-Chih Kuo, however, Abreu isn't on the major-league disabled list, despite basically being injured ever since he was optioned to AAA Las Vegas. I wonder if, among other concerns, Abreu is counting the dollars he's losing to a relative technicality.

* * *

Whatever you might say about his offense since leaving Los Angeles - and he's actually having a pretty nice season this year, with a 119 OPS+ - Adrian Beltre's defense hasn't been in question for quite some time. So I guess I'm a little surprised that some people are still just realizing it, but better late than never.

From David Andriesen of the Seattle Post-Intelligencer:

The way Beltre has patrolled his gap -- and then some -- has his manager wondering whether we're seeing the end of the six-year stranglehold on the American League Gold Glove Award by Oakland's Eric Chavez.

"I think this is the year they're going to pass the torch," Mariners manager John McLaren said. "I respect Chavez greatly, he's a great ballplayer, but I think our guy's due. He's gotten into the American League and he's established himself."

Beltre is tied for third among AL third basemen with 11 errors, but that's almost meaningless. Errors are a dubious way of determining a defender's relative value, because they apply only to "routine" plays. Was Ozzie Smith a great shortstop because he caught the highest percentage of the balls hit right to him? No. A great defender's value lies outside the routine.

Other widely accepted defensive measures include range factor (putouts plus assists divided by innings), which expresses whether a fielder is responsible for more outs than would be expected on average; and zone rating, the percentage of balls fielded by a player in his typical defensive "zone," as defined by STATS Inc. Beltre leads the league in range factor and is third in zone rating.

But quantifying defense is an inexact science. The major leaguers who see him every day know greatness when they see it, and they see it in Beltre. ...

2007-08-02 23:14:35
1.   Hallux Valgus
If I recall correctly, the first out (pop up bunt by Roberts), was on the first pitch, which makes the rest of the first inning all the more aggravating. 1 pitch to get 1 out. 42 pitches to get 2 more.
2007-08-02 23:25:08
2.   Greg Brock
Tomko may have slinked away with only three runs, but he's a mess. And Stults, Houlton, or some random AAA starter can do better. And he is absolutely despised by the Dodgers fans. And he can't relieve.

It's funny. bhsportsguy sent me a text from the game, asking "Is this Tomko's last game ever?" and I replied "Isn't it always?"

Brett Tomko. The Thing That Wouldn't Leave.

2007-08-02 23:28:40
3.   underdog
Sometimes Beltre is sort of like that ex-girlfriend who you know isn't right for you but, every once in awhile, you kind of miss a lot.

Tomko really is a mess, you're right. It was painful to watch tonight, even if he did settle down a little bit.

But much like Greg's rocket car link in the last thread, here's something that just has to cheer you up (it's safe):

(Even if you're not as much of a Freaks and Geeks nut as I am.)

2007-08-02 23:29:29
4.   Hallux Valgus
That's why I was cheering for him (after the first, before the dropped relay).

He looks completely defeated. I don't think it's a coincidence that he's 2 runs better on the road than he is at home.

2007-08-02 23:32:53
5.   Greg Brock
I like Freaks and Geeks. I became a huge fan on the recommendation of a certain Griddling German librarians.

But I can't appreciate it on the same level. And it hurts. A lot.

2007-08-02 23:39:15
6.   Jon Weisman
5 - I feel cheated that Bob would get primacy as a Freaks and Geeks recommender over me. Even if it's true in this specific case. I feel too strongly about that show's virtues to be marginalized.
2007-08-02 23:41:48
7.   Bob Timmermann
But I appreciate on the show on so many more levels than Greg Brock.

Jon was on the Freaks and Geeks train way before me. He's got the restraining order from Linda Cardellini to prove it.

2007-08-02 23:42:35
8.   still bevens
The fans in my section were merciless against Tomko, but he didn't inspire much confidence to say the least.
2007-08-02 23:43:59
9.   Hallux Valgus
8 where were you sitting?

not that it really matters. He was getting it almost as much as Bonds.

2007-08-02 23:44:54
10.   underdog
7 The word "underdog" for "Jon" above would also be acceptable.

8 A change of scenery would do him some good, I bet. The team should oblige.

2007-08-02 23:46:24
11.   Greg Brock
6 But you never told the younger set that they could not appreciate it. You were just an advocate for a great show. Boring.

Bob advocated the show, and explained why I would never fully appreciate it. You cherish Freaks and Geeks, but Bob showed me how much I could never understand it.

Being an advocate is not enough. You have to disregard the younger generation. That's important.

2007-08-02 23:48:48
12.   dzzrtRatt
Tomko for Morris?
2007-08-02 23:53:54
13.   PDH5204

The AL Gold Glove 3B: ["More Coverage"]

As the one soul said, do it son...

2007-08-03 00:01:49
14.   Xeifrank
Dodgers offense really underachieved tonight. Plugging the Dodgers box score into Tango Tigers Markov website, the Dodgers "Base Runs" estimated runs was 5.467, "Bill James Runs Created" was 5.246 and "Tango's Markov formula" was 5.891 ... but yet the Dodgers only managed two runs. The Giants line was 2.873/2.769/2.916. Oh well, should've been a 6-3 Dodger victory.
vr, Xei
2007-08-03 00:07:07
15.   natepurcell
stark with something interesting:

Heading into the trading season, one of the popular theories was that the Dodgers were in the best position of any team to make a deal because they have so many terrific prospects. But an official of one AL team has the opposite theory. "When everyone knows you've got players, that can actually be a hindrance," he said. "When you've got prospects, nobody wants your second-tier guys. They want your first-tier guys, even though your second-tier guys are better than their first-tier guys. I think that's actually hurt the Dodgers in making deals."

2007-08-03 00:18:42
16.   dzzrtRatt
15 This is what I've been saying for a year!

No GM is going to do a deal with the Dodgers in which they sacrifice a big piece unless they get a marquee prospect back. That rabid campaign by the Texas writer to get Kershaw and Loney for Teixeira made it impossible for Colletti to offer Texas anything less (not that Teixeira was a good fit, this is just an example.) GM's need to look like big swinging youknowwhats to their own staff, the press, agents and players. To GMs now, that means bagging the next Hanley Ramirez.

2007-08-03 00:19:54
17.   NorCal-Dodger
15 That's what I said during the final hours of the trading deadline. More or less..

2007-07-31 09:52:09720. NorCal-Dodger
Maybe the addage of having too much of a good thing, when referencing our talanted young players and prospects down on the farm. Other teams looking for potential trades with us, dismiss a Betemit for better value for our return, because their eye is on our farm, which every team is coveting and which we would not let go for what is being propposed.

2007-08-03 00:24:27
18.   still bevens
9 Top Deck, section 6. Not a very forgiving crowd.

The silver lining for me was the bobblehead, and my 2 hot dogs, which were on point.

2007-08-03 00:30:16
19.   NorCal-Dodger
4 teams (D'Backs, Dodgers, Padres, Rockies) separated by 3.5 games between 1st and 4th...and add the Phillies and Braves to make it 6 teams separated by 2.5 games for the WC. Looks like it'll be down to the final day of regualr season to sort this one out.
2007-08-03 01:02:16
20.   Greg Brock
15 Good. Fine. Other teams held out for our first tier, second tier, loge tier, and reserve tier. And they didn't get anybody.

Good for you. You held out. I applaude your resilience. You get nothing!

2007-08-03 05:41:18
21.   Charenton
Very small detail, but then again baseball is all about small details.…
It used to be that when a player changed leagues in mid season his statistics started at 0 when he joined the new league. Yet today in the boxscores on CBS Sportsline list Scott Proctor's ERA as 3.86 (a compilation of his NYY and LAD numbers)
however, I just checked ESPN, SI and FOX and his ERA is listed as 5.40, so I guess that this tradition continues…

>Exact same thing about Betamit's HR last night -
listed as HR 11 on CBS yet HR no. 1 on ESPN, SI and FOX
I remember being bugged by this statisical habit 4 or 5 years ago when the Indian's traded Colon to Montreal in mid season and I was trying to follow his attempt at 20 wins…

2007-08-03 06:29:06
22.   Andrew Shimmin
If you know, going in, that you can't get anything good for what you're willing to give up, why not stay home? If Colletti thinks he's completely handcuffed by Logan's Bounty, he doesn't act like it.
2007-08-03 06:34:24
23.   D4P
If you know, going in, that you can't get anything good for what you're willing to give up, why not stay home?

But Colletti thinks Proctor is good.

2007-08-03 06:59:31
24.   Hythloday
Colletti never said that anyone was untouchable. He said that trading a top tier prospect would have to net a top talent. That may be a very narrow market, but it doesn't mean you should stay home. We ought to be more concerned if he didn't listen to the offers at all or didn't make any of his own.

While I'm not keen on the trade that he did make at least he dealt from a deep (if not talented) position to shore a area of weakness. Having Proctor up does not preclude calling up Meloan at some point. It does add depth though.

Colletti's MO for a while now has been to add depth. He has been consistent on that account. You can disagree with his moves, but it isn't as if the move is totally shocking or illogical or inconsistent with that goal. And that has very little to do with whether Proctor is a grizzled veteran or not.

2007-08-03 07:04:58
25.   Ken Noe
3 More like the faithful girl friend you broke up with so you could hook up with the new hot chick in town. Then the hot chick dumped you and moved to Boston with your friend Scott. You end up wondering, maybe I should have stayed with the old girl friend after all. No one's really filled her place since.

2 What amazed me about his quotes this morning is that Tomko seems to think that it was a pretty good start.

21 Yahoo had Betemit start over yesterday. When I checked in early in the game his BA was .500.

2007-08-03 07:16:07
26.   Disabled List
15 That explains the Dotel trade a little bit. The Royals demand Hu or Abreu from us, are told to get bent, and end up dumping him for a mediocrity like Kyle Davies. I had a hard time understanding that.

RE: the Beltre article - The most interesting thing about that piece is reading an "old media" sports journalist who can actually discuss advanced quantitative methods in baseball intelligently. As I read it, I kept expecting the condescending, unfunny quip about calculators, and never got it.

I really have been dumbed down by the LA (and NY) sports press. Thank God for the internets.

2007-08-03 07:17:35
27.   Andrew Shimmin
24- Untalented depth is not useful. If Valdez and Martinez count as depth than why shouldn't Casey Hoorelbeke and Spike Lundberg?

My point in 22 was actually to question the theory presented above that Colletti can't get a reasonable price on talent because he's the guy who drives up to the Honda dealership, to buy his kid a Civic, in his Maybach. If that's actually true, publicly, loudly and repeatedly insisting that the crown jewels aren't for sale might actually save a lot of time. And it would make the countdown to the deadline more pleasant for the rest of us.

2007-08-03 07:25:17
28.   Jon Weisman
Press-Enterprise says Tomko was booed after his injury when he found he could stay in the game. Is this true?
2007-08-03 07:31:16
29.   still bevens
28 Pretty much anything he did was booed.
2007-08-03 07:37:36
30.   alnyden
Nothing wrong with Beltre's offensive numbers last season, either. What would the Dodgers do for a 25 home run third baseman now?
2007-08-03 07:39:58
31.   D4P
What would the Dodgers do for a 25 home run third baseman now?

Trade him for Scott Proctor.

2007-08-03 07:40:44
32.   Wilbert Robinson
31 Zing!
2007-08-03 07:43:01
33.   Vishal
[30] lol
2007-08-03 07:43:22
34.   Vishal
er, that was meant for [31], obviously. zing, indeed.
2007-08-03 07:47:32
35.   The Mootz
28. & 29. Not only was he booed, but some yahoos behind me yelled that they wanted it to be a season-ending injury. I don't like Tomko either, but I don't need his blood...just his release papers.

On another note, this was the fourth game I went to this year and the Dodgers have lost all four games. They've scored a total of five runs in those games. Must be my deodorant.

2007-08-03 07:52:20
36.   Penarol1916
31. I was going to go for the nicer, call him up from Vegas, but yours works too.
2007-08-03 07:52:43
37.   Jon Weisman
New post up top.
2007-08-03 07:54:21
38.   Hythloday
27 - Calling Proctor untalented is a bit of a stretch. He is adequate. We have Broxton and Saito and then we need to fill the middle with a bunch of adequate relievers. Given the limitations of our starters it makes sense to add as much depth to those middle relievers as possible. On the other hand since the break Nomar has been playing quite well and we would all feel comfortable calling up LaRoche. Betemit, though good, was superfluous.

My point in 24 was that the crown jewels are for sale, but they're on display in a flea market. What the market looks like can't be helped. What you get in return for the jewels can be helped. To mix metaphors here: it may not be efficient, but Colletti can't pull up to a Civic dealership as you say, he has put an ad in Auto Trader and see what happens.

2007-08-03 08:01:55
39.   Im So Blue
Disney Channel & MLB have released their music video "I Don't Dance" from "High School Musical 2" that features Gonzo, Nomar, Takashi Saito (and 16 other MLB players).

Here's the press release:

and here's where you can find the video online:

This is the segment that Josh mentioned on ItD a little more than a month ago:

2007-08-03 08:09:23
40.   Andrew Shimmin
38- I wasn't calling Proctor untalented. I was saying that if untalented depth is acceptable, as it must be given that Martinez has started at second two nights in a row, then the argument about utility IF being a position of depth, as opposed to relief pitching, doesn't make sense to me. Why is it more important for the relief pitching depth to be talented, than for the pinch hitting/fill in IF depth to be?

In retrospect, given that he didn't end up trading any of the crown jewels, if allowing the understanding that he would have been willing to hampered what he got back for Betemit, he would have been better served not so hampering himself. Which I'm still not convinced he did. So I think we sort of agree, and I'm probably close to a rule four violation.

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