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Kershaw Jumps to Jacksonville
2007-08-07 07:55
by Jon Weisman

To give him a new set of challenges before the season is over, the Dodgers promoted 19-year-old lefty Clayton Kershaw, that ace we don't want to talk about lest the fates conspire to take him away from us, to AA Jacksonville, reports John Kennett of the Midland Daily News.

Kershaw has struck out 134 batters in 97 1/3 innings, but he has also walked 50.

"Obviously, (the Dodgers') goal was to get him out of here and give him a taste of Double-A before the season was over," said (Great Lakes Loons manager Lance) Parrish. "I think he is ready for that. (Is he) completely ready? I don't know. He still needs to get better command of his pitches.

"He certainly has the stuff. Maybe moving up to a team in first place and being able to pitch against Double-A hitters will help him focus a little better," added Parrish.

Loons' pitching coach Glenn Dishman agreed.

"At this level, he knew that he could sit there and throw fastballs by people, and (he) sometimes didn't have command of his fastball the way he needed to," said Dishman. "(At Jacksonville), he will rise to the challenge and know that he needs to hit his spots and still throw a 96 mile-per-hour fastball when he needs to."

In his story, Kennett paired Kershaw's step up with another player's step out. Catcher Parker Brooks, 26, has decided to retire from baseball to return to his Georgetown alma mater, having been accepted there for law school.

Knowing the timetable of these kinds of decisions as far as applications and acceptances, one assumes Brooks has had this plan for months, but it still had to be a melancholy moment. Brooks had an .811 OPS with Georgetown in 2005, but only 32 hits in three minor-league years.

"The irony is that they can both end up being extremely successful in different fields," said Parrish. "I have a feeling that Parker is going to be somebody special, and obviously I feel the same way about Clayton.

"Time will tell, but I feel that both of them are going to do pretty well in life," added Parrish.

* * *

Farewell, Hal Fishman. Another Los Angeles icon leaves us.

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2007-08-07 08:44:27
1.   Penarol1916
I'm personally shocked that anyone from Georgetown made it to Low Class A.
2007-08-07 08:58:41
2.   bhsportsguy
Chad made it to Jacksonville in his second season of pro ball, the difference being that he started in Pioneer League, pitched in the Florida State League for a little over half his second season and then went to Jacksonville for the last 6 weeks or so of the season.

Kershaw pitched in Gulf Coast League and until yesterday, the Midwest League so he has not faced similar competition like Chad's until his first start for the Suns.

Scott Elbert had pitched in the Sally League for the his entire second year, moving to Vero Beach for half a year until being called up to Jacksonville in the middle of his third year of pro ball.

2007-08-07 08:59:46
3.   CanuckDodger
Hal Fishman was the inspiration for newscaster Kent Brockman on The Simpsons (TV writers live in L.A., after all). I'm not sure any newscaster would be happy with that distinction, given that Kent Brockman is a dolt, but that gives Fishman a sort of immortality.
2007-08-07 09:05:54
4.   Bob Timmermann
Stay well, Stan Chambers.
2007-08-07 09:26:37
5.   underdog
So is John Lindsay this summer's version of Mitch Jones? Where's his Marching and Chowder Society?

Meanwhile, Eric Hull's thrown well since being sent back down. Dude deserves another chance in the 'pen.

The Suns start a five (!) game series vs. Carolina tomorrow. I wonder which game Kershaw will make his AA debut in?

2007-08-07 09:26:50
6.   Humma Kavula
1 If my classmate, Nelson Figueroa (Brandeis '96), can make the majors, surely a Georgetown alum can make it.
2007-08-07 09:29:02
7.   Paul B
3 Wikipedia notes that Brockman is "more than willing to film and sensationalize a schmaltzy, emotion driven puff piece for the sake of a few extra ratings points." Can't help but wonder if any local print journalists might have also been a source of inspiration.
2007-08-07 09:30:26
8.   Greg Brock
I must say, writing articles about players that don't exist is just downright silly.
2007-08-07 09:32:29
9.   underdog
Well, speaking of Wikipedia, they've already written about Him:

2007-08-07 09:32:47
10.   Humma Kavula
8 Tell that to George Plimpton.
2007-08-07 09:34:50
11.   Jon Weisman
New post at Screen Jam.

7 - Which was not Hal at all. Brockman is more like Fishman in style than substance.

2007-08-07 09:43:40
12.   Bob Timmermann counts 36 former Hoyas in the majors:

Most played a long time ago. Sean Maloney is the only recent one.

2007-08-07 09:48:48
13.   Humma Kavula
12 36 Hoyas, but... just one Judge.

2007-08-07 09:49:37
14.   Sam DC
The headline and subhead of the top story at right now:

*Smile, Los Angeles — you're on Google Maps!
By Alex Pham and Joseph Menn*

The site is using street-level photos from L.A., San Diego and parts of O.C. Privacy advocates freak out.

I find that language a little surprising on the front (online) page of a major newspaper.

2007-08-07 09:55:50
15.   Jacob L
I saw Hal Fishnman at Zankou on Sunset once, FWIW.
2007-08-07 09:55:51
16.   Humma Kavula
14 See, new media? We're cool! We're hip! We're newsy! Newspapers -- the choice of a new generation!!

......please read us. Times are bad.

2007-08-07 09:58:12
17.   Jon Weisman
An exhibition on KTLA at the Paley Center in Beverly Hills just opened:

2007-08-07 10:19:26
18.   Jon Weisman
Alex Belth's version of Obscure but Memorable Yankees:

2007-08-07 10:25:23
19.   Penarol1916
12. Impressive, but even Maloney came around before Georgetown hired the groundskeeper Stanford as their manager. My roommate, who was the starting shortstoper, complained that they spent more time getting the field into shape than actually practicing. Then the year after we graduated they destroyed the field to build a parking lot and moved the games out to Virginia.
2007-08-07 10:30:12
20.   underdog
I can't make fun of Georgetown's baseball - I can only name a couple of notable San Francisco State baseball players who made it to the majors: Bud Harrelson and Tommy Harper...

I wonder how many players from my grad school made it to the bigs? Let's see... {looking up California College of the Arts and Crafts on Wikipedia} Huh... None? That's disappointing!

2007-08-07 10:39:33
21.   Jon Weisman
Trying to manufacture an intramural softball team out of the graduate English department at Georgetown was one of the great debacles of my life.
2007-08-07 10:40:20
22.   bhsportsguy
Is this a head scratcher?

It is believed that Arizona is going to announce an agreement to extend Eric Byrnes contract for 3 years/30 million dollars (otherwise known as "Pierre money").

For fans of Carlos Quentin and Carlos Gonzalez, one wonders if their futures lie elsewhere.

2007-08-07 10:44:49
23.   Jacob L
20 You went to CCAC? That's awesome! I had a few friends there when I was at Cal. I had a lot of fun teasing them about their shoe box diorama and popsicle stick people projects. This was, obviously, before I developed a greater appreciation for the term "arts and crafts." Anyway, it seemed from my acquaintances, like a pretty special place.
2007-08-07 10:48:09
24.   regfairfield
22 I think this means Quentin is done. He'd be a nice buy low candidate, keeping in mind that his labrum surgery could end him.

Up until this year, he was pretty much the Holy Grail in the minors. With absurd isolated stats and almost as many walks as strikeouts.

It should also be noted that Byrnes has been pretty good this year at .303/.365/.497 with 28 steals at 82% success and very good defense. I said on Sunday that if Gary Matthews gets 50 million, Byrnes should get at least 80, so I don't think it's a terrible contract.

2007-08-07 10:51:55
25.   D4P
If Juan Pierre gets 44 million, the rest of us should be getting Bill Gates money.
2007-08-07 10:52:52
26.   regfairfield
25 True, but if Byrnes finishes with an 8.7 WARP like he's on pace to, that's back end of the MVP ballot numbers.
2007-08-07 11:00:30
27.   FirstMohican
Raise your hand if you'd rather Pierre w/ his contract or Byrnes w/ 3/30.
2007-08-07 11:02:58
28.   Jacob L
Line up Juan Pierre against all the other bad contracts in baseball. Which is the one you'd least like to be stuck with, not including guys who were injured unexpectedly.
2007-08-07 11:14:41
29.   regfairfield
Don't get me wrong, this is still a case of paying for a peak year possibly blocking a better player, but you could do a lot worse than that.
2007-08-07 11:25:07
30.   D4P
Line up Juan Pierre


But seriously, Zito's contract bugs me nearly as much as Pierre's. One difference, however, is that Zito isn't the in the lineup everyday, batting 2nd.

2007-08-07 11:26:46
31.   SG6
Speaking of Pierre, one would think that he would realize his arm is not a cannon, and that he can't throw out a runner trying to score from 2B on a medium fly to center.

But Sunday's game proved otherwise: Runners on 1st and 2nd, fly to center, and Juan throws home (cut off by Penny). Luckily, the runner on 1B was the only person not to receive the "Run on JP" memo, and held up at 2B.

Not that it mattered in the end result, but please, Juan: a man's got to know his limitations.

2007-08-07 11:27:26
32.   Marty
I always thought Brockman was modeled more after Jerry Dunphy, but he bears a resemblance to Fishman.
2007-08-07 11:28:58
33.   MC Safety
29- with those stats you presented a few posts earlier, you could do MUCH worse than that. we dont even have to look outside of our own backyard. defensively juan pierre makes eric byrnes look like the second coming of devon white. ill take 17 homers from byrnsie over JP's goose egg as well..its pretty hard to bash that contract...
2007-08-07 11:30:36
34.   Jon Weisman
32 - I think he's a combo of Fishman, Dunphy and perhaps George Putnam.

Why no one has homaged Dr. George, I'll never know.

2007-08-07 11:32:10
35.   Marty
34 See you at ten, see you then!
2007-08-07 11:33:37
36.   underdog
23 Jacob, yep, CCAC. Or now CCA, as they removed "crafts" from the moniker. Mostly I was at their newer SF campus, where much of the grad programs happen, but both campuses are fun and full of amazing talents. Now if I could only find a way of paying of the enormous debt incurred from going there.

While there were no teams, there was an intramural soccer thing that was fun. Some of those painters can really boot the ball! When they're not stoned.

2007-08-07 11:38:45
37.   Jacob L
30 I was going to qualify the question to exclude pitchers, because I think every GM is compelled to take at least one insane gamble on starting pitching. But yeah, I might rather be stuck with Pierre than Zito.
2007-08-07 11:40:48
38.   Jon Weisman
I posted a clip of the French song at Screen Jam. My first video post!
2007-08-07 11:47:57
39.   ToyCannon
If I had to make a top 10 list of players I would like to watch in 2008, 3 of them are now patrolling the Diamondback outfield. I went to the stadium this weekend to watch Upton and as impressive as he was, it was C Young who really caught my eye. All the skills you could ask for in a ballplayer and he attacks the game with his speed.
2007-08-07 11:48:46
40.   Penarol1916
36. Since this appears to be your field. A quick question. My sister-in-law recently chose the Cleveland Institute of Art over CCA and some school in New York. Apparently, it is the second best in the nation, and the only one that offers a medical illustration program. Can Cleveland really have an art school that is that good?
2007-08-07 11:49:18
41.   GobiasIndustries
I love FOTC. Nothing about JFC? I'm dying to know what people think of the last episode and to hear/read thoughts of next weeks finale. I am thoroughly confused by that show!
2007-08-07 11:55:10
42.   Jon Weisman
Screen Jam officially abandoned JFC weeks ago.
2007-08-07 11:56:01
43.   Jon Weisman
42 - But brother site Western Homes hasn't.
2007-08-07 11:57:43
44.   Bob Timmermann
The Griddle watches JFC out of sheer stubbornness.

I really hate it now. I'm so glad it's over. I hate the show on the same level as "Huff." And I watched ALL the episodes of that monstrosity.

2007-08-07 11:59:31
45.   GobiasIndustries
Thank you. Good to know....

Were you over it? Couldn't wait for the "answers" anymore? Cuz I'm about at that point...

2007-08-07 12:00:14
46.   Daniel Zappala
Thanks to DT, my wife's favorite show is now Flight of the Conchords. I haven't heard anyone here mention it, but Burn Notice on USA of all places is fun.
2007-08-07 12:02:26
47.   GobiasIndustries
I think we spoke about this before at Screen Jam......JFC has hooked me like 'The Riches' did. I didn't particularly enjoy most episodes but for some strange reason, I couldn't NOT watch.
2007-08-07 12:04:06
48.   Penarol1916
44. Reminds me of my relationship with "Studio 60" I just wanted to see how it would end. And in the end, I still hated it.
2007-08-07 12:05:18
49.   Linkmeister
Who knew there were so many artsy readers at DT? My favorite aunt is a prof at Savannah College of Art and Design.
2007-08-07 12:06:18
50.   D4P
I don't "get" watching TV shows you hate.
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2007-08-07 12:06:21
51.   underdog
40 I'm not all that sure, to tell you the truth, as I was in the Creative Writing program (so I could have an MFA and eventually teach writing) and while I mingled with art students, there wasn't much overlap, and I just don't know that much. I know that Cleveland can't be all that bad if R Crumb and Harvey Pekar were there for awhile. I bet the Cleveland school is cheaper than the other two though!

I just know CCA is the best art school in the Bay Area, and probably second in the state with CalArts, with a ton of talented, well known alums and great teachers. But again, it's pricey.

I gave up on JFC. I feel like I needed to be smoking weed to understand it; instead I'd rather just watch Weeds. Better for my health and funnier.

38 I've already rewatched it three times since yesterday but, still, I'm tempted...

Hey, Tony Jackson's only complained a little about the humidity so far.

2007-08-07 12:07:22
52.   D4P
I love SCAD's "campus"
2007-08-07 12:08:34
53.   Bluebleeder87

I've watched it since the begining I'll be damned if I don't watch it till the end.

2007-08-07 12:09:48
54.   Penarol1916
50. Maybe you just don't hate yourself enought to do it.

51. Actually, CCA was the cheapest option, they offered to pay for everything, while Cleveland said that they best they could do would be to pay for half.

2007-08-07 12:11:41
55.   Linkmeister
52 Why? I've never been there. Do the quotation marks indicate it's a hodgepodge of downtown buildings rather than a cluster of structures, all alike?

(Obligatory homage to "Adventure," aka "Colossal Cave")

2007-08-07 12:11:44
56.   Xeifrank
50. that's why I don't watch much TV. But I must admit, that I don't get HBO or some of these fancy shmancy channels, so I can't comment on the stuff there. vr, Xei
2007-08-07 12:13:38
57.   bigcpa
I would think Pierre would be fairly trade-able with $10M attached. What's another $10M if we give Torii Hunter or A. Jones 5/75? If these deals go down simultaneously Ned comes out smelling like a rose.
2007-08-07 12:14:23
58.   GobiasIndustries
I remember when HBO was a fancy shmancy channel. It was on 'Select TV' at my house, and at the neighbors it was on 'On TV'....... oh the dark ages........
2007-08-07 12:15:44
59.   MC Safety
39- really c young? didnt he strike out like 8 times or something ? thats off the cuff but i remember bills dominating him..
2007-08-07 12:15:57
60.   Bluebleeder87

I'm don't wanna keep my hopes up on us signing A. Jones but it shore would be nice having 'em man CFeild.

2007-08-07 12:17:02
61.   D4P
SCAD has a hodgepodge of non-contiguous buildings scaddered throughout the "historic" part of Savannah. Many (most?) of them are buildings that were originally used for something else (e.g. jails, homes, etc.) that were purchased by SCAD and converted for their use. It's fun to walk around and encounter random SCAD buildings.
2007-08-07 12:19:18
62.   D4P
Andruw's .217/.316/.426 line in 2007 isn't worth anywhere near what some moronic GM is bound to pay for it.
2007-08-07 12:21:32
63.   Linkmeister
61 Oh. That does sound interesting. I might know more about it, but my aunt somehow never seems to be there; she always seems to be in Spain or Ecuador or somewhere, guest-lecturing.
2007-08-07 12:22:29
64.   MC Safety
58- the boxing sure seemed better back in those fancy shmancy days.
2007-08-07 12:22:47
65.   Curtis Lowe
Line Up per ITD

Kent back With Ethier 7th and Loney 8th everything else remains stagnant.

2007-08-07 12:24:15
66.   bigcpa
62 Here's a scenario. Jones comes out asking for the moon- Hunter, Cameron, Rowand come off the board and there are no more buyers. Ned offers him a Furcal/Schmidt-type 2/30 or 3/45 and he bites.
2007-08-07 12:25:05
67.   D4P
If you ever make it to the southeastern portion of The Mainland, you should swing by Savannah and Charleston, SC. They make a great combo.
2007-08-07 12:25:47
68.   D4P
Ned offers him a Furcal/Schmidt-type 2/30 or 3/45 and he bites

I agree. He bites.

2007-08-07 12:30:13
69.   kngoworld
66 Doesn't Jones have a famous Agent? You know, whats his name?
2007-08-07 12:34:21
70.   underdog
69 A secret agent?

65 Well, here we go, time for the Dodgers march toward the playoffs to start now. Time to wake up. Time to put up or shut up.

I just hope the very end of the Dodgers' season isn't like the end of "Easy Rider," with Grady Little crashing his motorcycle, mumbling "We blew it" before going unconscious.

2007-08-07 12:36:04
71.   Bob Timmermann
I expect that Eric Byrnes and Justin Upton will be driving the truck in that scenario.
2007-08-07 12:38:30
72.   trainwreck
I guess I am one of the few who enjoy JFC.
2007-08-07 12:38:40
73.   D4P
There's a chat with Ned today. I'm always surprised to see him sitting at a computer...
2007-08-07 12:38:55
74.   D4P
2007-08-07 12:39:16
75.   Linkmeister
67 We lived in Charleston for about 18 months, but I was a toddler, so my memory of the place is non-existent.
2007-08-07 12:44:33
76.   underdog
71 "Lord have mercy, is that what that is?"

Well, feh, I could just as easily see Byrnes crashing his motorcycle.

2007-08-07 12:45:06
77.   Bob Timmermann
Presently, Cincinnati is reporting a temperature of 97 and a heat index of 105. But it should be down to 93 by game time.
2007-08-07 12:47:44
78.   D4P
Mere child's play. Durham is at 98.2 degrees, heat index of 108.
2007-08-07 12:51:12
79.   Bob Timmermann
Los Angeles is reporting 79.

With a heat index of 79.

2007-08-07 12:51:53
80.   underdog
Well, in a little over an hour y'all can ask a question of Ned Colletti on Be nice!

And don't speak of the Minotaur.

2007-08-07 12:53:46
81.   Tim B
Pierre is at 98.6, with a heat index of 32
2007-08-07 12:54:18
82.   DodgerBlueBruce
I just hope Section 127 is in the shade early. The hottest week of the year and the Dodgers are in town.
Don't forget; this is where our hot streak started last year.
2007-08-07 12:54:39
83.   underdog
Man, Bronson Arroyo's 4-12? I don't like facing pitchers who are massively due.
2007-08-07 12:57:51
84.   Curtis Lowe
82 - It was also colder and instead of a deadline Proctor the D's had a deadline Mad Dog.
2007-08-07 13:06:13
85.   Bob Timmermann
Gary Majewski and Eddie Guardado are back in the Reds pen!
2007-08-07 13:07:26
86.   Bob Timmermann
Old friend Juan Castro is out for the year. Ryan Freel on the DL. Jon Coutlangus to AAA.
2007-08-07 13:08:26
87.   Curtis Lowe
I would like to ask Ned that if he knew Billingsley would be wasted in the Pen while Tomko was penciled in as the 5th starter before spring training even ended why he didn't pursue Madduz more aggressively as a 5th starter.
2007-08-07 13:12:12
88.   jasonungar07
72 I love it, but missed the last episode. I will watch when I am back from my mini vacation
2007-08-07 13:17:36
89.   kngoworld
87 Everyone should ask:

"Dear Mr. Colletti, What are the chances of Juan Pierre being our everyday CF for the next 4 years? Is there any possibility that the Dodgers try to sign Andrew Jones, Torii Hunter, Mike Cameron or Aaron Rowand in the offseason?"

2007-08-07 13:19:37
90.   GobiasIndustries
It sure was! Did it get any better than the Haggler, Hearns, Sugar Ray days? I think not!
2007-08-07 13:21:32
91.   regfairfield
87 Because the Dodgers probably would have had a 130 million dollar payroll then.

John Heyman is reporting that Eric Byrnes cleared waivers. First, I can't believe that no team would want him. Second, if no one wanted Byrnes at 4.8 million, why would you reup him for 10 million.

2007-08-07 13:23:10
92.   underdog
86 That last name seems like a rule 1 violation.
2007-08-07 13:31:46
93.   bhsportsguy
87 On Maddux, did not want to do a 2 year deal and also worried about Maddux's pitch count limitations (i.e. going to pen early during his starts).

I would dispute that Chad was wasted in the pen, once he got settled in, he did a really good job in a tough spot and with Tsai and Brazoban going down, they needed his innings. Now if you want to say that he should have been the starter instead of Tomko, that is a valid question but I think those decisions are more the coaching staff's than Ned's, he just puts the pitchers on the roster.

2007-08-07 13:37:06
94.   Xeifrank
I'm sure the folks in N.Carolina must be enjoying that 111 degree temperature. Sure glad I live in coastal SoCal. Go Dodgers!
vr, Xei
2007-08-07 13:38:14
95.   D4P
The heat index here is down to 104.
2007-08-07 13:45:52
96.   caseybarker
...only 102 in DC.
2007-08-07 13:53:17
97.   Kevin Lewis

I think MLB 2K7's online roster has Loney batting 8th and playing 1st...and they had Ethier batting higher in the order.

2007-08-07 14:09:01
98.   Marty
90 Don't forget Manos de Piedra.
2007-08-07 14:20:32
99.   Marty
My question would be Ned, please, why don't you unload that rug?
2007-08-07 14:21:07
100.   kngoworld
Wow they are not letting any controversal questions get through the chat today.
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2007-08-07 14:22:10
101.   trainwreck
I got in too late. I pretty much have no chance of getting a question in.
2007-08-07 14:23:22
102.   Curtis Lowe
Hello Ned, There is an elephant in the room can you tell me his name?
2007-08-07 14:23:24
103.   Xeifrank
My question/statement to Ned would be:
DodgerThoughts.Com - Love it, Live it, Learn it.
vr, Xei
2007-08-07 14:23:27
104.   Marty
I tried to join the chat and just get "the chat server is down or not responding"
2007-08-07 14:23:59
105.   Sam DC
96: Gulp.
2007-08-07 14:26:43
106.   fanerman
100 Disappointing but unsurprising.
2007-08-07 14:27:51
107.   Monterey Chris
From the chat, the first question to Ned: was it a mistake to sign Juan Pierre?
2007-08-07 14:28:35
108.   trainwreck
Ned likes to type as much as he talks.
2007-08-07 14:29:47
109.   bhsportsguy
100 Just so you know, the "chat" on the chat log is the one Russell Martin did a few weeks ago.

I have not seen any of the Q&A from Ned's chat.

2007-08-07 14:30:21
110.   underdog
I wish their chat log had today's chat on it, instead of the last one. I missed the first 10 minutes or so. Guess I'll wait 'til they post that later. I asked him a question about signing players on waivers.
2007-08-07 14:31:21
111.   kngoworld
He claims it was harder for us to trade away our prospects already on the big league team (Loney and Kemp) because other teams can already see what the players are capable at the pro level.

I would think it would make it easier to trade them away.

2007-08-07 14:32:04
112.   trainwreck
Wow, he takes a James McDonald question for his last one.
2007-08-07 14:33:00
113.   regfairfield
Something tells me that even if a useful question got through, there's no way you'd get a straight answer.

For example, any Juan Pierre questions would be answered by saying how hard of a worker he is and how he's hitting almost .300 since April.

2007-08-07 14:33:43
114.   trainwreck
Looks like a September call-up for McDonald.
2007-08-07 14:35:15
115.   Monterey Chris
HIs Pierre answer is that they did not sign Pierre to carry the team. Their expectations is that he would be a support player who would get on base 200 times and steal 50 bases. He says it is too early to fully evaluate whether the signing was a mistake.
2007-08-07 14:37:00
116.   kngoworld
I followed the Pierre answer up with, why would you give a "complementary player" a five year contract?... but got no answer, big suprise.
2007-08-07 14:37:59
117.   Woody
Funny that "Easy Rider" should be mentioned. I turned 59 last month, and watched that movie for the first time after a cross-country trip from Philly to SF at 21 years old in my VW bug with a college buddy in the summer of '69. Thought it was really cool, especially after our road adventures, though I though Peter Fonda was pretty dorky even then. Liked Hopper's edginess at the time. Saw it again last night with my wife, and the only thing besides wishing I had a J to smoke, was figuring out all the geographical sites they traveled through, which we were able to do on IMDb. Funny, I never realized the Monument Valley in Utah was on the southern route from LA to NO.
2007-08-07 14:38:00
118.   fanerman
115 - At least he didn't say that they signed him for his veteran savvy and hustle.
2007-08-07 14:38:49
119.   bigcpa
115 Pierre is pacing for 731 pa's. So 200/731 is a .274 OBP. No wonder he's so content with him.
2007-08-07 14:40:03
120.   gpellamjr
Good to see Loney batting 8th. That's only one step from demotion to AAA. I can't wait to see Nomar back at 1st with Abreu playing 3rd.
2007-08-07 14:42:41
121.   D4P
He says it is too early to fully evaluate whether the signing was a mistake

Hardly a rousing endorsement. If he's not happy with what Pierre has done this far, it's unlikely his happiness will increase in the future.

What you see is what you get.

2007-08-07 14:44:18
122.   kngoworld
I asked Ned questions that I knew he would not answer, but justed hoped that he read. For example:

Did you have second thoughts regarding the Proctor trade after Betemit hit a homerun his first at bat with the Yankees?


Do you read online blogs such as DodgerThoughts to get an idea for how the fans are thinking?

2007-08-07 14:44:51
123.   fanerman
120 Oh let's not be so pessimistic.
2007-08-07 14:47:52
125.   Bluebleeder87
He says it is too early to fully evaluate whether the signing was a mistake.

You know what, I really respect that answer you wouldn't even get that from some GM's, did any body ask why on earth Jonathan Meloan is still rotting away in Vegas?

2007-08-07 14:48:41
126.   trainwreck
I did. But in a nicer way.
2007-08-07 14:49:06
127.   Monterey Chris
125--He was asked but not in those terms. Sounds like Meloan will be with the major league club by the end of the season.
2007-08-07 14:50:43
128.   bhsportsguy
122 Its as if Wilson Betemit was never going to hit a home run after he left the Dodgers.

Betemit could have gone 4-4 with a grand slam and that would not make Ned think he made a mistake.

Josh R answered the second question at DT Day, there are people in the organization that do review blogs like DodgerThoughts but they are not necessarily the people in the front office.

2007-08-07 14:51:00
129.   GoBears
119. That's exactly right. Why would anyone sign any player projected to start and demand only a .274 OBP, even WITH 50 SBs.

If ever you needed evidence that Colletti does not know HOW to evaluate players, that's it. This is what I said when Pierre was first signed. He can meet everyone's expectations, and still be among the worst regulars in all of baseball.

2007-08-07 14:51:24
130.   kngoworld
124 I asked Ned if that was his real hair.

... and his response was, "it compliments my other attributes while giving me 200 extra strands while stealing 50 years off my age. It is exactly what I expected it to be."

2007-08-07 14:52:03
131.   D4P
Isn't "it's too early to fully evaluate..." essentially a non-answer that you can use in response to just about any question about a move you've made where the players involved are still active major leaguers? I mean, there's always a chance the move will look better in the future, right?

That being said, there's not much point in asking Ned a question about whether signing Pierre was a mistake or not. For one thing, the fact that he signed him in the first place is an indication that he didn't/doesn't understand why the very idea of signing Pierre (for 5 years no less) is a colossal blunder of colossal proportions.

2007-08-07 14:53:34
132.   GoBears
125. I see where you're coming from, BB87 - it's better than "no, I never make a mistake" as an answer. But it's also demonstrably false. The day Pierre signed the contract was early enough to evaluate the signing as a mistake. Well, unless you had some reason to believe he'd suddenly discover patience and power.
2007-08-07 14:55:23
135.   GoBears
131. Colossally, man. Colossally.
2007-08-07 14:55:24
136.   bhsportsguy
Ned has said from day one that he knew Pierre had weaknesses but he is what he is so pretty much unless his BA/Steals/Runs when way south, it is very doubtful that he would consider the signing a mistake.

I know that is a hard pill to swallow for some here but that is what he said when he signed him, and he has continued to say that during this season.

Also, even if you think Eric Byrnes is a better player, if I asked you before this season started, that starting in 2008, Eric Brynes was going to make 10 million a year for 3 years, I am sure many here would have thought that was crazy. That's the market which will make Hunter a 13-15 a year player and Andruw Jones get a Soriano type deal.

2007-08-07 14:55:55
137.   kngoworld
128 Betemit could have gone 4-4 with a grand slam and that would not make Ned think he made a mistake.

Although, if Betemit slugs around 500 the rest of the season with the Yankees maybe he should feel some remorse.

2007-08-07 14:55:57
138.   underdog
Sounds like Meloan will be a Sept. 1 callup. Would be nice if it was sooner, but not really critical at this point. (though the less we see of Hernandez the better.)
2007-08-07 14:56:22
139.   GoBears
133. Well, Little at least shares the credit for a lot of those.
2007-08-07 15:02:37
140.   Bluebleeder87
I see where you're coming from, BB87 - it's better than "no, I never make a mistake" as an answer. But it's also demonstrably false.

His back ground is in PR.

2007-08-07 15:03:50
141.   natepurcell
whats the link to the chat?
2007-08-07 15:06:36
142.   Bluebleeder87
Ned has said from day one that he knew Pierre had weaknesses but he is what he is so pretty much unless his BA/Steals/Runs when way south, it is very doubtful that he would consider the signing a mistake.

I know that is a hard pill to swallow for some here but that is what he said when he signed him, and he has continued to say that during this season.

Like i've previously mentioned I'm a Ned supporter but MAN reading stuff like that I don't know what to think. 5 YEARS!!

2007-08-07 15:07:53
143.   underdog
I have to say, the problem with these chats is less what is said than the frustration that invariably stems from them. I guess my expectations are fairly low, but I don't expect them to answer anything too confrontational. As it's basically a PR opp, actually admitting that Pierre was a huge mistake would cause me to faint and possibly the Earth to split open. The answer we got was actually a little more than I'd expected. We learned a few other things, the rest was pretty fluffy for most of us. But I find it hard to be outraged by any of it. I wish he'd answered my question on whether the Dodgers considered making any waiver claim deals for anyone, but whatever.
2007-08-07 15:08:05
144.   GoBears
140. Good point.
2007-08-07 15:08:48
145.   underdog
141 No link to the archive up yet, Nate.
2007-08-07 15:09:48
146.   Xeifrank
133. #s 1,2,5 & 6... could all be blamed on the manager and not the front office if you want to play the blame game. If the GM is telling the manager which players to play and what lineup to use, then we have a different set of problems on our hands.
vr, Xei
2007-08-07 15:11:36
147.   regfairfield
Ned does have a history of highly coveting a player, then hating him three months later, so I wouldn't be surprised if he felt a little remorse in signing Pierre now, but wouldn't care at all if he were hitting .300.

Also, I think we established earlier that Ned is terrible at estimating what actual production relates to from the numbers he comes up with off the top of his head. I think he unwittingly predicted something like a .340 slug for Gonzalez at the beginning of the season.

2007-08-07 15:13:41
148.   fanerman
147, was he describing how many doubles, home runs, etc that Gonzalez would hit or something?
2007-08-07 15:15:10
149.   regfairfield
148 Yep. He predicted something like 10 home runs with 35 doubles.
2007-08-07 15:15:11
150.   Xeifrank
What does everyone think the odds will really be that Pierre plays the full five years of his contract with the Dodgers? At this point what is worse...
A. 3 years at $27mil, traded for scrapheap with the Dodgers eating half of his remaining contract... which is equivalent of 3 years at 3 years at $36mil
B. 5 years at $45mil, starting in CF for most, if not all of that time?

My point is, yes it was a bad signing, but the reality (hopefully) is that he won't be here for all of that time. Colletti panicked finding a CFer, and Pierre was the only thing left that Colletti felt could be a difference maker and he had to bid that 5th year to steal him from the Geeants.
vr, Xei

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2007-08-07 15:16:47
151.   regfairfield
148 Here it is:
2007-08-07 15:22:45
152.   fanerman
151 - Ah, thanks. It's a bit discomforting to learn a few more details of Ned's player evaluating process, but, oh well.
2007-08-07 15:23:56
153.   regfairfield
152 I think the lesson is that Ned is just bad with numbers and you shouldn't take his estimates literally.
2007-08-07 15:26:18
154.   ToyCannon
I guess I'm just ignorant but I fail to see how a guy with an 884 OPS since the break is one of the reasons this team has been in a funk since the break.
Seems to me, it might have more to do with the drop in production from Martin(718), Loney(693), and the continued lack of production from Pierre(628), and the complete drop off the earth production from Gonzo(549), in combination with a pitching staff that isn't shutting down the opposing team enough to make up for the anemic offense.

But hey, Nomar has a 650 OPS for the season so that must be the problem. It is August, not May, things have changed. The team is struggling, Nomar isn't.

2007-08-07 15:28:26
155.   FirstMohican
153 - Is saying Pierre gets on base "an aweful lot" evidence that he's bad with numbers, or evidence that he's comfortable making fun of himself?

What was the Q&A re: McDonald & Meloan?

2007-08-07 15:30:47
156.   Bluebleeder87

to defend Ned Colletti at least he's a hard nose/great negotiator with contracts at least that's what I hear.

2007-08-07 15:31:56
157.   Xeifrank
A little OT (2008 Olympics). I see that the air pollution in Beijing is starting to attract more attention. All I can say if it is going to be anything like the two trips I made there (it was slightly better on my 2nd trip but that was in the spring), then these atheletes are in for a huge surprise. Breathing and not getting sick in Beijing is in itself a major accomplishment. Imagine standing down wind, 20 yards from a campfire, or downwind from a brush fire.
vr, Xei

>>Dismal air quality, meanwhile, could threaten the performance and health of thousands of elite athletes, and some are already saying they will stay away until the last minute because of pollution concerns.

Australian IOC member John Coates said after meeting Tuesday with other Olympic delegations and Beijing organizers that he'd be telling his athletes to stay away from Beijing until four or five days before their events.

He called Beijing's choking pollution "a prevailing worry for most of us."

2007-08-07 15:32:01
158.   regfairfield
154 Nomar isn't responsible for the current funk, but it is reasonable to say that the Dodgers would probably be a couple wins better if he weren't in the lineup.

Whether or not you think he'll be this productive going further is an exercise best left up to the reader.

2007-08-07 15:38:00
159.   Jon Weisman
I definitely think that, next to the pitching, the difference in performance from Loney and Kemp in recent weeks is most striking. They've gone from one extreme to the other. I expect things will balance out, which is partly why I don't think things are as dire as, say, Tony Jackson does.

But the rotation remains a major concern.

2007-08-07 15:39:12
160.   fanerman
152 - I suppose so. But it gives me the impression that Ned only has the vaguest idea of what production he'll actually be getting; it's a different notion than Ned incorrectly believing certain metrics (SB's, K's) correlate with scoring runs better than others (OBP). Not only does he value some numbers more importantly than others, but he doesn't even know the numbers he's valuing. Since he's the guy who gets to choose which players to invest millions of dollars in, that worries me a bit more.

Not that that's really any new idea here.

2007-08-07 15:39:12
161.   Jon Weisman
Game thread coming up top.

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