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Blast From the Past or Total Blank?
2007-08-07 15:27
by Jon Weisman

Danny Goodman.

* * *

Tonight's 4:10 p.m. game:


Retro Gameday

Comments (422)
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2007-08-07 15:41:36
1.   Bob Timmermann
I hear he's cooking up wonderful promotions in heaven.
2007-08-07 15:41:46
2.   Xeifrank
HongZhi Guo returning to pitch in September?
vr, Xei
2007-08-07 15:42:35
3.   Xeifrank
HongZhi Guo returning to pitch with the Dodgers in September? vr, Xei
2007-08-07 15:42:50
4.   Xeifrank
So good, it was worth two posts.
vr, Xei
2007-08-07 15:43:43
5.   ToyCannon
Dodger Pepsi Fan Club Member here.
2007-08-07 15:44:20
6.   Bob Timmermann
When is Helmet Weekend?
2007-08-07 15:45:17
7.   Xeifrank
Tonight's Dodger win probability. Gonna be a close game!!
DodgerSims: 48.65%
LV Hilton: 49.26%
vr, Xei
2007-08-07 15:49:00
8.   ToyCannon
Wow, a website devoted to my ex-favorite pitcher. Hopefully you'll have lots of stuff to fill it up with in the future even if it is with another team.
2007-08-07 15:50:21
9.   ToyCannon
Did the Dodgers ever do "Bat Day"? I remember going to one back in Washington when I saw the Senators play. It was awesome.
2007-08-07 15:51:11
10.   regfairfield
9 I still have a miniature bat back from 1993. According to my Dad, they used to give out full size ones until some predictable things happened.
2007-08-07 15:51:58
11.   Xeifrank
I was unaware that the Dodgers have beaten the Reds 9 straight times. Hopefully, I didn't just jinx it! vr, Xei
2007-08-07 15:52:35
12.   fanerman
I'm still waiting for "Poison Dart Night."
2007-08-07 15:52:38
13.   Jon Weisman
4 - Sure, if you're going to call out Bob, you've got to promote it.
2007-08-07 15:55:06
14.   ImprobableImpossible
Helmet weekend was my personal favorite promotion. Always on the weekend of my birthday as a kid. Baffling that there is no longer a helmet day.
2007-08-07 15:57:39
15.   Marty
I went to a full-sized bat day when I was a kid. The mini-ones were perfect for young, budding criminals.
2007-08-07 15:58:08
16.   Bob Timmermann
The Dodgers drew 50,000 for a Bat Night on May 4, 1968.

They beat the Reds 4-3 with the game ending on an appeal at third because Alex Johnson failed to tag up.

The Angels had Bat Night longer than the Dodgers. My first baseball game I attended in person was Alex Johnson Bat Night in Anaheim in 1971.

2007-08-07 15:59:07
17.   Marty
I think I met Danny Goodman, but could be mis-remembering.
2007-08-07 16:00:50
18.   Bluebleeder87
Eric Gagne jumped the shark ever since he left us, I wonder if we'll offer him a contract in '08, It's weird but I still don't know how I feel watching him pitch in a Ranger uni or a BoSox uni for that matter.
2007-08-07 16:02:15
19.   fan 4 40 plus
9 Full-sized bat day must have been back in the late sixties (1968) the year we went, I remember we got bats with "Bob Bailey", "Zoilo Versailles" signatures ... and you guys are worried about our offense this year.
2007-08-07 16:02:39
20.   ToyCannon
Steve Garvey in a Padre uniform was the strangest thing I've seen from an Ex-Dodger. Not that I was a big fan, but he just looked so small in that Padre uniform.
2007-08-07 16:03:41
21.   Bluebleeder87
18 cont.

I guess cause he was so hurt in the end it didn't sting as much as I thought it would.

2007-08-07 16:05:09
22.   FirstMohican
9 - Yes, the Dodgers had a "Bat Day". You got a voucher and picked up the bat from Target. I don't remember who they played, as the game I went to was pre-1991. (I only remember where I lived at the time, and for some reason, where I sat at the game.)
2007-08-07 16:05:21
23.   ToyCannon
Did Alex Johnson end up like Leon Wagner? Sure seemed like he was headed that direction.
2007-08-07 16:08:20
24.   fan 4 40 plus
9 16 18 There was a public address request that all the fans hold the bats straight up in the air, a very interesting photo ... Bob's retrosheet link reminds me that the other bats were "Ron Fairly" and "Tom Haller"...
2007-08-07 16:09:19
25.   fan 4 40 plus
24 that should have been 9 16 and 19
2007-08-07 16:11:29
26.   SG6
20- but his forearms still looked huge.

He wasn't a tall guy, contrary to my memories of him from childhood. When I saw him in person at a trade show (pimping some virtual baseball game), I asked to take a picture with him using my cell phone (cheesy, I know, but what do you expect from "SG6"), and was surprised he was only 5-10 or so.

2007-08-07 16:11:34
27.   rubdawg
Come on now! Instant memories. Joining the Dodger Pepsi Fan Club c/o Danny Goodman, Dodger Stadium LA CA 90010. I send my $3.00 and wait for the envelope with my 2 GA tix my t-shirt and stickers. Those were the days!!
2007-08-07 16:13:48
28.   ToyCannon
It is funny they did bat day with the worse offense in LA Dodger history.
How many beers have we won with the Len Gabrielson leading the team with 10 home runs?
2007-08-07 16:14:09
29.   underdog
Was Danny Goodman any relation to Mark Goodman, the game show producer? Or Benny?

You're a ___ Charlie Brown?

Oops, almost forgot, the game's on.

2007-08-07 16:17:46
31.   DodgerBakers
cool, a six pitch at bat by Pierre, then a single. It must be a sign!
2007-08-07 16:18:21
32.   Im So Blue
Danny Goodman -- a blast from the past! My sister would send him her allowance, and then he'd send her various & sundry Dodger trinkets, like Dodger yearbooks, and buttons. One of our favorites was a set of black & white photos of the Dodgers in the clubhouse, celebrating wins & milestones.

When they first started the giveaways for kids 14 and under, we were bummed out because we were too old! :)

2007-08-07 16:18:22
33.   Marty
29 It's Mark Goodson. He also was an owner of the Glendale News-Press when I worked there. His holding company had a chain of small newspapers around the country in the 70's and 80's.
2007-08-07 16:19:56
35.   Bluebleeder87
if we're gonna get out of this drought I imagine Cincy is the place to do it.
2007-08-07 16:20:28
37.   trainwreck
Probably the happiest I have ever been to see Jeff Kent.
2007-08-07 16:21:32
38.   Xeifrank
atleast Arroyo has thrown over 20 pitches this inning. Let's get something to show for it. vr, Xei
2007-08-07 16:22:23
39.   fanerman
Oh yeah, Total Blank from me =/.
2007-08-07 16:22:40
40.   DodgerBakers
Welcome back, Kent!
2007-08-07 16:23:38
41.   DodgerBakers
bummer. 32 pitches=2 strikeouts
2007-08-07 16:23:52
42.   mankatododger
Anyone else just lose the EI feed?
2007-08-07 16:24:13
43.   Xeifrank
30 pitches? No runner past 2nd??
vr, Xei
2007-08-07 16:24:20
44.   Curtis Lowe
I wonder how pissed Kent is that when he left he was with a 1st club and now that he returns only a week later his club is 4 back of 1st and 2 out of the wild card.
2007-08-07 16:26:34
45.   Xeifrank
Reds win expectancy up to 55%.
vr, Xei
2007-08-07 16:27:20
46.   Xeifrank
44. it's like getting traded to the Cardinals.
vr, Xei
2007-08-07 16:27:43
47.   trainwreck

Gonzo's numbers after the All-Star break.

2007-08-07 16:30:15
49.   joekings
This is not a good start for Mark.
2007-08-07 16:30:42
50.   Bluebleeder87
uu, nice play by Nomar right at the seats, sets up the DP
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2007-08-07 16:31:20
51.   Xeifrank
back to back singles to start things off for the Reds. Atleast Hendrickson is getting hit efficiently. vr, Xei
2007-08-07 16:31:35
52.   underdog
Very nice play by Nomar, yeah.
2007-08-07 16:32:13
53.   Xeifrank
pls describe the play. ty
vr, Xei
2007-08-07 16:35:32
54.   Bluebleeder87

it was a little pop up near the seats & Nomar snagged it back in for an out, He stroke out Conine but Dunn just got a hit single to score one of the Reds runners 1-0 with 2 outs & men at 3rd & 1st.

2007-08-07 16:39:21
56.   Bluebleeder87
It's 3-0 Reds now. 2 outs.
2007-08-07 16:39:26
58.   MC Safety
ughh your back herm.. i didnt think you made it sunday...
2007-08-07 16:39:30
59.   joekings
great start
2007-08-07 16:39:38
60.   Curtis Lowe
I do not understand how that was a triple.
2007-08-07 16:39:53
61.   MMSMikey
hell of a way to start the road trip
2007-08-07 16:41:02
62.   Curtis Lowe
25 pitches and 3 runs given up for Hendrickson.
2007-08-07 16:41:11
63.   Bluebleeder87
Hendy relies on location & he missed his location so that pretty much equals the runs scored.
2007-08-07 16:41:17
64.   JoeyP
This wont happen, but I hope next season that the Dodgers dont have a Tomko/Hendrickson on the roster.

If this were McDonald or Orenduff starting, it'd be a lot easier to take as a fan since the team would be developing the youngsters at the mlb level.

Watching Hendrickson/Tomko get lit up game after game does nothing for the Dodgers.

2007-08-07 16:42:29
65.   underdog
Argh, I hate innings which start out with bunts, and in which the Dodgers pitcher looks okay, and yet it somehow just all falls apart quickly. Well, all I know is, the Dodgers can put up runs in Cincy, if the past is any indication.
2007-08-07 16:43:13
66.   Jon Weisman
Has Tony Jackson declared this game over yet?
2007-08-07 16:43:30
67.   ImprobableImpossible
"E. Encarnacion singled to deep left, A. Dunn and B. Phillips scored, E. Encarnacion to third advancing on throw"

Do I even bother asking how Dunn scored from first on a single?

2007-08-07 16:44:07
68.   Gen3Blue
Well, I just tuned in and was going to say I could see I was not going to enjoy the announcing, when the starting pitching quickly overshadowed any displeasure with the announcers. But they still sounded exactly like happy, satiated Hee-Haw characters, if anyone is old enough to remember, and that ticks me off. I have switched now to hoping the D's offense flops to the upside today on this starter.
2007-08-07 16:44:21
69.   still bevens
67 Ethier bobbled the ball getting it back to the infield. Encarnacion took third because Nomar wasn't covering the bag.
2007-08-07 16:45:40
70.   MJW101
If Piazza is indeed available for peanuts from Oakland whould Ned DFA Saenz and try to get him as a RH PH?

It would be a popular PR gesture for Mike Piazza to retire as a Dodger. He could not be worse than Saenz at this point.

2007-08-07 16:46:08
71.   MMSMikey
i hate it when we get down a few runs early then immediately go down in order
2007-08-07 16:46:21
72.   joekings
i am now regretting recording this game at home.
2007-08-07 16:46:41
73.   underdog
Oh, you HAVE to be kidding me. That was a swing ?? The Dodgers have some bad mojo going.
2007-08-07 16:47:19
74.   D4P
It would be a popular PR gesture for Mike Piazza to retire as a Dodger

I've always thought that too. It would be kinda nice for Piazza to finish with the Dodgers. I never liked him being thought of as more of a Met than a Dodger.

2007-08-07 16:47:41
75.   underdog
66 I'm afraid to look, but I'm predicting either A) Yes (plus the season) and/or B) he's too busy talking about how hot it is.
2007-08-07 16:48:05
76.   Gen3Blue
According to my wierd theories, we have to go through this deep slump to get out the other side. But these announcers passed me off enough to hope we come out now.
2007-08-07 16:49:12
77.   Jon Weisman
74 - What will Piazza's contract demands be next year?
2007-08-07 16:50:20
78.   D4P
"Ask again later"
2007-08-07 16:50:35
79.   MJW101
The problem is Cinn has a decent enough offense to light up out deficient pitching. But our impotent offense cannot take advantage of the poor Cinn pitching.

Consequently . . . . .

2007-08-07 16:51:08
80.   underdog
76 You're making me glad my soundcard is busted at work so I can only watch the game without sound on MLBTV. I remember not liking the Reds' guys very much last season.
2007-08-07 16:51:40
81.   underdog
Why does Norris Hopper sound like a character from a Coen brothers movie?
2007-08-07 16:51:44
82.   Bluebleeder87
Do I even bother asking how Dunn scored from first on a single?

I'm sure you know that Gonzalez or Pierre were involved in the play.

2007-08-07 16:52:48
83.   Xeifrank
64. 90% of the teams have a Hendrickson/Tomko tandem. Unfortunately, BOTH of ours are in the starting lineup. But I think that if most teams lost three of their starting pitchers, they'd have something similiar to Hendrickson and Tomko in the starting rotation. Unfortunately, our starting pitching pipeline, doesn't have much that is ripe for the picking. Billingsley is already in the rotation, Guo is out and Houlton etc..., isn't much of an improvement if at all.
vr, Xei
2007-08-07 16:54:34
84.   Bluebleeder87
2007-08-07 16:54:37
85.   Humma Kavula
2007-08-07 16:54:39
86.   overkill94
There goes Hendrickson's hitless streak
2007-08-07 16:54:49
87.   Jon Weisman
Regfairfield is going to be heartbroken.
2007-08-07 16:54:54
88.   Xeifrank
21% win expectancy. Sadly, might not be much of a game for DTers to watch when they get home from work. vr, Xei
2007-08-07 16:55:43
90.   MMSMikey
did phillips think since that ball was hit sharp he had a play on lurch at 3rd?
2007-08-07 16:56:21
91.   Bluebleeder87
Hendy looked pretty cool hitting it also.
2007-08-07 16:56:52
92.   Xeifrank
89. If it's to be the hitting coach, then I'm fine with it. Afterall, who knows more about how to hit successfully than Tomko. vr, Xei
2007-08-07 16:57:05
94.   natepurcell
nice swing Juan.
2007-08-07 16:57:05
95.   Zak
89 I bet he doesn't.
2007-08-07 16:57:31
97.   Gen3Blue
OK Bigfoot's first hit of the year. That gives me some idea of the funk our "hitters" are in right now. Add an error and this is where an average team would have a big inning. But our mental state is not normal right now.How is JP going to do?
2007-08-07 16:57:34
98.   Curtis Lowe
Lurch Leads the Way!
2007-08-07 16:57:43
99.   underdog
Lurch said, "I'm sick of this putrid offense!"

Slappy McPopup says, "Oh yeah! How about them apples!"

2007-08-07 16:58:05
101.   Xeifrank
Pierre really needs to cut down on his popups. He's making Ned look bad. vr, Xei
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2007-08-07 16:58:26
102.   MMSMikey
absolutely pathetic. what a joke.
2007-08-07 16:58:47
103.   Bluebleeder87
Pierre just made an ugly out (little bloop fly to the Reds 1st baseman) but at least Martin is up now. ugh, spoke to soon Martin just hit in a DP. sigh.
2007-08-07 16:58:56
104.   underdog

Russell is making me want to cry these days.

2007-08-07 16:59:13
105.   Curtis Lowe
and Martin destroys all hope.
2007-08-07 16:59:23
106.   Gen3Blue
Was that Martin. It looked like he made every effort to GIDP. How sick are we.
2007-08-07 16:59:55
108.   joekings
what is wrong with this team. you almost have to score a run there on accident.
2007-08-07 17:00:29
109.   underdog
Guys, the "absolutely pathetic" and "this team is terrible" kind of banter may have its place, or at least may make you feel better, but in my mind it really doesn't help much - or at least doesn't help me feel any better. No one needs to be Pollyanna-ish here, but...
2007-08-07 17:00:38
110.   MMSMikey
if theres a way not to score the dodgers will find it
2007-08-07 17:01:26
112.   Xeifrank
16% win expectancy. Roll a dice and pick a number. vr, Xei
2007-08-07 17:02:52
113.   The Mootz
Russell Martin may be the soul of this team, but since the All-Star game he's been playing like Paul LoDuca Jr. with his numerous strikeouts and groundouts.

Lieberthal has to play more, but he can't if Grady keeps playing the catcher who may be wearing down some.

2007-08-07 17:03:13
114.   underdog
Take me for instance. I've decided to give my "give Russell a day off now and then!" mantra because it gets old after awhile. Er, except just then. You didn't see that.
2007-08-07 17:03:32
116.   Zak
100 At this point, there has been so much negative press about Tomko, I would think Ned would decide that he's better off somewhere else.

Plus Tomko only wants to start, and the Dodgers can't guarantee him that.

I predict Tomko at Pittsburgh, 2 years at 8 million.

2007-08-07 17:04:00
117.   underdog
I'm sorry to be disrespectful, but the world's largest man seems to be in the booth behind the two Reds announcers and the WWII vet they're chatting with. Interesting. And now back to the game.
2007-08-07 17:05:03
118.   Humma Kavula
OK, when does Grady start thinking about pulling Hendrickson out of there?
2007-08-07 17:05:20
119.   underdog
Sigh. Just when Hendy starts to settle into a groove, he totally hangs a flat pitch and boom.
2007-08-07 17:05:31
120.   D4P
Shouldn't Broxton be in the bullpen...?
2007-08-07 17:06:08
121.   Bob Timmermann
Perhaps we can take solace in Buddy Carlyle's game tonight in New York.
2007-08-07 17:06:21
122.   Curtis Lowe
I have just moved my Martin bobble head in to large drawer under the right corner of my desk. The bobble does not want to watch this either.
2007-08-07 17:07:19
123.   underdog
120 Mark Grace has obviously never seen this man in the Reds' booth.
2007-08-07 17:09:18
124.   Gen3Blue
I wouldn't pull Hendy--our offense is conviced it will lose.
Until that changes, it is not worth wasting pitchers-Hendy got a hit for god sake.
2007-08-07 17:09:25
125.   fiddlestick
IMO Martin needs to start using the whole field again. He looks a little too pull conscious these last few weeks. Understandable while the team's struggling, he's trying to do too much.
2007-08-07 17:13:20
126.   MJW101
77 It all depends upon how Piazza views his career future.

This year he gets $8.5 million from Oakland.

Will he be willing to be a part time PH type and get paid as such? I do not know.

He is still a decent hitter so maybe he would prefer to stay in the AL as a DH. He also wants to stay on the east or west coast. That leaves the AAAAAA, Redsox, Yankees or Devil Rays. Rains too much in Seattle.

2007-08-07 17:13:40
127.   D4P
Dave Ross has regressed to Depo-era Dodger production levels.
2007-08-07 17:16:07
128.   underdog
Nailed! Well, that was nice anyway. Even if that play always makes me hold my breath.
2007-08-07 17:16:44
129.   Bluebleeder87
Nice heads up play by Martin there, We really need to get something going with the bats
2007-08-07 17:17:21
130.   D4P
Getting picked off at first with the bases loaded isn't very smart.
2007-08-07 17:21:23
131.   D4P
Looks like LuGo needs to sit down with Mueller and watch some tapes.
2007-08-07 17:21:41
132.   Bob Timmermann
Happens to the best of them. Checking out the 7th inning of this game back in 1980.

It was a Game of the Week. It was a pitcher to first play. Eddie Murray really did a great job on it. I remember him spiking the ball after recording the out.

2007-08-07 17:21:50
133.   MMSMikey
TV, off.
2007-08-07 17:23:22
134.   Curtis Lowe
Because working the count makes your slump last longer.
2007-08-07 17:24:51
135.   D4P
Some reassuring wisdom from Grittle:

"The thing that is most consistent is when you play good baseball, you win games," he said. "When you don't execute, you don't win games. That's a constant."

2007-08-07 17:25:28
136.   bhsportsguy
Martin is hitting very Pierre like since the ASB.

Right now, there probably isn't another candidate to fill in that spot.

Slumps and bad starts do not generally add up to wins.

2007-08-07 17:25:33
137.   D4P
Wow. He really was the best. He said so himself.
2007-08-07 17:26:42
138.   Gen3Blue
You know something is out of kilter, when the logic of the immediate present would say, how did the D's let Encarnation', David Ross and Julio Lugo get away.
2007-08-07 17:27:25
139.   bhsportsguy
109 Its come to be expected, partly because boards filled with pollyanna type statements tend to be viewed as "myopic."

Not that there is much good to say right now anyway.

2007-08-07 17:28:27
140.   regfairfield
I leave for one hour and find the Reds up four and Randy Tate once again the NL leader for going hitless with a team.

This is the worst game ever.

2007-08-07 17:31:18
141.   Curtis Lowe
What this team needs is a good ol' motivational speech.

Although I feel the fans deserve one as well if not more.

2007-08-07 17:37:54
142.   bhsportsguy
141 I think DT needs a motivational speech.

Jon, we may need Son of Jon to lead us in roaring rendition of Take Me Out to the Ballgame.

2007-08-07 17:40:45
143.   regfairfield
The Dodgers record was worse at this time last year.

Of course, they were only two back instead of four back.

2007-08-07 17:42:39
144.   regfairfield
Heck, the Dodgers dropped seven back of the wild card at one point last year. Things were a lot more bleak around this time in 2006.

Is "it could be worse" a good motivational speech.

2007-08-07 17:43:16
145.   Bob Timmermann
Baseball has had many players named Johnson, but named Jonson.
2007-08-07 17:43:55
146.   Curtis Lowe
143 - And had betemit,maddux and JD instead of Tomko,Pierre,Gonzo.
2007-08-07 17:45:49
147.   Bob Timmermann
Tomko is the common thread between the two years!
2007-08-07 17:46:39
148.   Gen3Blue
The D's are not this bad, but they sure look this bad, and they seem to believe they are this bad. Normally they would make up for this with a hot steak eventually.
2007-08-07 17:46:48
149.   Curtis Lowe
147 - And he must be stopped.
2007-08-07 17:47:35
150.   JoeyP
The Dodgers have just had a real natural regression to the mean.

The 1st half was carried by Russ Martin, Brad Penny, and Lowe.
No one expected them to be as good in the 2nd half as 1st for natural reasons.

Throw in Wolf/Kent getting hurt, a dumb trade of Betemit, and Kemp still on the bench===its just a perfect storm.

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2007-08-07 17:47:35
151.   Zak
The long-term question is this - Do we sign another potential big-money starting pitcher this winter, or do we assume that Schmidt will be back next year and have a healthy year?

This could be a problem. I know which one I would want, but I also feel like I know what Ned Colletti will go with.

2007-08-07 17:48:31
152.   Daniel Zappala
Love is all you need. That, and patience for the youngsters to arrive in the next couple years.
2007-08-07 17:49:15
153.   bhsportsguy
147 Except this year, Tomko's starting, hooray.

I am not sure Juan Pierre "laces" anything to left field but he is 2 for 3.

Bob are you going Monday night too?

2007-08-07 17:50:23
154.   Bob Timmermann
I'm going Monday night. I will bring my considerable mojo to the game.
2007-08-07 17:51:27
155.   Bob Timmermann
Love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love.
There's nothing you can do that can't be done.
Nothing you can sing that can't be sung.
Nothing you can say but you can learn how to play the game
It's easy.
There's nothing you can make that can't be made.
No one you can save that can't be saved.
Nothing you can do but you can learn how to be in time
It's easy.
2007-08-07 17:51:29
156.   JoeyP
The sins of playing Martin too much in the 1st half are coming to fruition now. Grady's going to completely run him into the ground if he doesnt get him a couple days off this week--especially considering the heat.
2007-08-07 17:51:43
157.   bhsportsguy
Russell Martin in his first slump since last year.
2007-08-07 17:53:09
158.   Curtis Lowe
How many times has an individual batter made it on base by error?
2007-08-07 17:53:15
159.   underdog
ANyway. Back to the game... It's up to Gonzo to not make this inning a big time wasted opportunity.
2007-08-07 17:54:17
160.   Bob Timmermann
What sort of total are you looking for? Seasonal, game, career?
2007-08-07 17:54:40
161.   underdog
2007-08-07 17:55:28
162.   Gen3Blue
I'm getting in trouble with my family. I promised I wouldn't let baseball affect my general mood as much as it did in the past, and for the last two years I seemed to be making good progress. But I must admit I may be getting close to a reversal. DT is helping..DT is helping..DT is helping. My Mantra.
2007-08-07 17:56:11
163.   Curtis Lowe
160 - Sorry, Game.
2007-08-07 17:58:13
164.   Telemachos
Woof. I hate to be the guy who grouches about these things, but either the Dodgers are getting some really cruddy calls going against them, or Gameday's strike/ball indicator is loopy.

Then again, they'd still be losing even if they got the calls, so....

ugh. Every year, it seems, the Dodgers hit an absolute low point where they really stink it up for a couple of weeks. Hopefully they can right the ship before it gets too out of control, but good lord, they're not playing well at all these days.

I can't remember who pointed this out, but until recently, the Dodgers record was largely due to their strong start to the season... they've been playing .500-ball ever since (and now, sub-.500 ball).

2007-08-07 17:58:37
165.   Bob Timmermann
Since 1900, the most times reaching by error in a game is 3. It was last done by Ray Durham on April 22, 1998.
2007-08-07 17:59:04
166.   MJW101
Speaking of Martin and his lack of rest.

Many managers tend not to pinch hit with their reserve catcher because of the risk of injury to the starting catcher. If this risk was mitigated by a new rule allowing a catcher to pinch hit and then reenter the game later if, and only if, the starting catcher suffers an injury and cannot continue the game.

New Rule:
A catcher that had previously entered the game as a PH can reenter the game at a later point and replace the current game catcher if he is injured and cannot continue.


-There can be only 2 catchers on the roster for this rule to apply.

-Both the starting catcher and backup catcher are full time catchers only (played no other positions for their current team).

-The umpire in charge would make the ruling determining if the starting catcher cannot continue the game (in consultation with the medical staff of course).

There may be holes in this rule that a clever manage could use to circumvent the spirit but this is the best I could do at the moment.

Currently, Grady is reluctant to rest Martin because he cannot do without Martin's offense. When Martin does have a day off the injury risk situation takes effect in that Martin would not usually be available to PH in the latter stage of a game he did not start for fear of an injury to Lieberthal. If Martin could still be available after PH to replace an injured Lieberthal later in the game it might persuade Grady to rest Martin more.

2007-08-07 18:00:53
167.   underdog
164 You're right in a few instances at least, a low pitch was called a strike. Certainly borderline calls at least. When things are going bad for you, you need at least something to work in your favor.

166 I totally agree. I really like that idea.

2007-08-07 18:01:58
168.   Bob Timmermann
Furcal is the first Dodger to reach on an error twice in one game since Adrian Beltre on September 26, 2002.

The BR Play Index doesn't work right for reaching on errors.

2007-08-07 18:02:13
169.   Zak
166 Yes, that would be a rather convenient rule change to benfit teams with good hitting catchers and effectively punish teams with bad hitting catchers.
2007-08-07 18:04:10
170.   bhsportsguy
Not a horrible start by Hendy, if he could have got that 3rd out in the first, the game would be still up for grabs but right now, offensively, this team is in a funk that started back in on the previous road trip.
2007-08-07 18:04:55
171.   Zak
166 Don't get me wrong.. it's a well thought out idea, but it seems self-serving as we currently have a top 3 caliber hitting catcher.

In soccer, if you substitute the goalkeeper for another (and the only) one on you bench and if the substitute gets injured, one of the field players has to play goalkeeper. Should be the same in baseball.

2007-08-07 18:05:41
173.   Gen3Blue
166 Generally a good idea, but just like everything at present, Grady could do without Martin's offense. Usually when a team does this, there is one guy who is contrary. Im afraid if we have a guy who produces when he gets upset, he is in the minors, which also may mean he is injured. Then again Kemp has had almost no at bats.
Another nice one pitch out for Nomar.
2007-08-07 18:05:45
174.   underdog
170 Yeah he really didn't pitch that badly except for a few bad pitches and some bad breaks. Gave them some innings. But, right, since the team isn't scoring at all right now, you have to be near perfect to give the team a chance.
2007-08-07 18:05:53
175.   Zak
170 You know you're right. The inception of this rut was the rainout in Colorado.

We need another rainout to get out of this mess.

2007-08-07 18:06:13
176.   Telemachos
Bronson Arroyo... complete game?
2007-08-07 18:06:37
177.   underdog
Oh come on. This ump is calling strikes for pitches literally 6 inches off the ground. Seriously.
2007-08-07 18:07:08
178.   GoBears
166. Martin's not providing much offense these days, so Little might as well see if Lieberthal can.
2007-08-07 18:07:54
179.   underdog
The other thing that can contribute to prolonged hitting slumps is that everyone starts pressing instead of just relaxing and doing your thing. They all look like they're pressing and frustrated.
2007-08-07 18:08:20
180.   Gen3Blue
I don't know this guy. Is he good? They are making him look like Greg Maddox at his peak.
2007-08-07 18:08:21
181.   Bob Timmermann
Arroyo will be over 100 pitches at the end of this inning. There's no way he's going the distance.
2007-08-07 18:08:28
182.   underdog
But Loney says "Press this!"
2007-08-07 18:09:05
183.   Zak
Aaron Harang tomorrow night will net get any easier. Plus, it's Billingsley's Mr. Hyde due to start.
2007-08-07 18:09:09
184.   underdog
180 He's a lot better than his record, at least. He has been pretty good in the past, off and on...

How's the Reds bullpen this year?

2007-08-07 18:09:16
185.   Zak
Aaron Harang tomorrow night will not get any easier. Plus, it's Billingsley's Mr. Hyde due to start.
2007-08-07 18:09:17
186.   King of the Hobos
176 Over 100 pitches in the 7th inning? It's conceivable, but very unlikely.
2007-08-07 18:09:35
187.   dzzrtRatt
Scoring runs is so, like, last month. Especially off the starting pitcher. In honor of David Beckham, we're playing for 0-0 game, with a shootout at the end.
2007-08-07 18:09:43
188.   BlueMamma
166I'd say at this point, it's more like Grady can't do with Martin's offense than that he can't do without it.
2007-08-07 18:09:48
189.   Humma Kavula
176 No.
2007-08-07 18:09:52
190.   bhsportsguy
180 He was on a good start/bad start streak, unfortunately, we are on his good start turn.
2007-08-07 18:10:31
191.   underdog
Delwyn gets his 2nd hit as a Dodger. We'll take a blooper at this point.

So long Bronson.

2007-08-07 18:10:32
192.   BlueMamma
Hm. Is the only way this team can score walking with the bases loaded?
2007-08-07 18:10:39
193.   King of the Hobos
184 Just like last year, although they just recalled 2006's "savior" Majewski today.
2007-08-07 18:13:18
195.   JoeyP
Why turn Furcal around?

Mike Stanton?

2007-08-07 18:13:24
196.   King of the Hobos
192 I hope not, as walking Pierre is very hard.
2007-08-07 18:13:56
197.   Gen3Blue
Underdog, your right, we usually do well against almost anyones bull-pen. I hope so.
2007-08-07 18:13:58
198.   underdog
Jeez, Raffy, it's Mike Stanton here. Stay in your shoes.
2007-08-07 18:14:26
199.   WellsforKemp
This team simply isnt very good....... problem too is, looking forward to next year how much better will they be?
Only upgrade I see is Kemp over Gonzo.. Nomar will probably still be at 3rd the way he is playing(Just good enough to remain)
Kent will decline
Martin wont hit like he did the first half(somewhere in between)
Loney may struggle
Pierre in CF
2007-08-07 18:14:36
200.   Zak
I can't believe we made Aaron Harang look like Doug Davis out there.
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2007-08-07 18:14:57
201.   underdog

And now I have to do laundry. This day just keeps getting better.

2007-08-07 18:15:06
202.   Bob Timmermann
Ray Durham's mark could be safe for another night.
2007-08-07 18:15:46
203.   JoeyP
With the way things are going, guess it doesnt matter.

3 out of 4 games being shut out.
That type of offensive futility hasnt been seen for awhile.

No easy solution, but at least play Matt Kemp ahead of Pierre/Gonzo.

2007-08-07 18:16:01
204.   underdog
200 It's tomorrow when we do that. You're getting ahead of yourself.
2007-08-07 18:17:29
206.   bhsportsguy
200 Harang pitches tomorrow.

Again, Doug Davis, Brandon Webb, Noah Lowry, and Bronson Arroyo are all capable of having a good night against the Dodgers but right now, it appears that the youngsters are pressing, the vets are old and tired and all the pitching issues have come to the forefront.

2007-08-07 18:17:41
207.   Bob Timmermann
Aaron Harang is a very good pitcher, so I assume 200 was ironic.
2007-08-07 18:18:07
209.   Zak
204 Lol. I was thinking Bronson Arroyo and cracked up within my own joke.
2007-08-07 18:20:32
210.   Telemachos
181, 189 That's what I get for blindly posting without checking his pitch count. I blame Nomar.

So... not that it will happen, but I'd love to see Grady blow up the lineup for a day and let the kids go for it: get Young, Ethier, Loney, Kemp, and Martin all starting. Heck, do it for Billingsley's start.

2007-08-07 18:20:34
211.   Zak
207 I meant Arroyo, but it was probably meant to be sarcastic. Davis is not that good a pitcher... he's ok, but I don't understand our futility against him.
2007-08-07 18:22:46
212.   underdog
210 I would, too. Why not? Although, again, Kemp's been struggling too. But why not give them a chance to play out of it. At least they can make some exciting stuff happen. I'd leave Kent in there, though. And then a day where they play all the vets instead - so that Lieberthal gets a start. ;-)
2007-08-07 18:24:07
215.   underdog
Herm is a glass is half full of arsenic kind of fan.
2007-08-07 18:25:39
217.   Bob Timmermann
Herm's act is getting to be more than tired watching Gallagher perform at the Tulare County Fair.
2007-08-07 18:25:42
218.   Borchard504
The Reds got swept in Washington. Could the perfect recipe for a turnaround be a series with LA? Say it ain't so Joe. Arroyo is so schizo, getting racked every other start. It figures tonight he has the command.
2007-08-07 18:26:03
219.   WellsforKemp
wow, what a waste of a night... Pierre 3-4
2007-08-07 18:26:20
221.   regfairfield
The Dodgers haven't recovered from a 4.5 game deficit since 2006.
2007-08-07 18:26:25
223.   D4P
What this team needs is a good ol' motivational speech

You guys need to get your act together or else you'll end up living in a van...! the river...!

2007-08-07 18:26:57
224.   Daniel Zappala
Does Pierre typically do better against curveballs and changeups? That might explain 3 hits tonight.
2007-08-07 18:27:35
226.   D4P
A bad game for Pierre: his grounders find infielder gloves

A good game for Pierre: his grounders find outfielder gloves

2007-08-07 18:27:56
227.   Sam DC
Rodriguez got hit by T.O. tonight, apparently as payback for his shouting "whoop" or whatever. Cano also hit. Clemens (pitching a no run, 2 hitter) just hit Rios and he got ejected.

It's a gentleman's sport.

2007-08-07 18:28:08
228.   Bob Timmermann
Such is the power of Gallagher.
2007-08-07 18:28:17
229.   Zak
Top 8th: LA Dodgers
- J. Pierre singled to shortstop
- R. Martin safe at first on third baseman E. Encarnacion' fielding error, J. Pierre to second
- J. Kent homered to deep left, R. Martin and J. Pierre scored
- L. Gonzalez homered to deep center
- N. Garciaparra grounded out to shortstop
- A. Ethier grounded out to second
- J. Loney struck out swinging

4 runs, 3 hits, 1 errors
LA Dodgers 4, Cincinnati 4

2007-08-07 18:28:21
230.   MC Safety
217- LOL. i love tulare.
2007-08-07 18:28:22
231.   Sam DC
Torre ejected too saith Gameday.
2007-08-07 18:29:24
232.   MC Safety
229- huh?
2007-08-07 18:30:23
233.   Zak
232 Boredom + Wishful thinking = 229
2007-08-07 18:30:58
234.   Gen3Blue
199 You'r being too pesimistic. Especially for next year! We should keep our young player and shed payroll. We should use this to enter the year with decent starting pitching. Because our starters have failed us for at least two decades we must be due for some luck with starters.
I hope I am not proving your case!
2007-08-07 18:32:07
235.   Bob Timmermann
If looking for inspiration, check the Tampa Bay -Detroit game.
2007-08-07 18:33:17
237.   Bob Timmermann
Then again, I'm in a library and get you a copy of "The Bell Jar" or "The Stranger" or "Death in Venice."
2007-08-07 18:33:56
238.   Zak
236 He killed it all right.
2007-08-07 18:33:59
239.   Humma Kavula
That's all for me. We'll try again tomorrow.

Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow creeps in this petty pace from day to day to the last syllable of recorded time, and all our yesterdays have lighted fools the way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a mere shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour across the stage; it is a tale, told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

2007-08-07 18:34:06
240.   JoeyP
221--When is the last time the Dodgers recovered from a 5 game deficit on August 8th?
2007-08-07 18:34:12
241.   Gen3Blue
OK I might be beginning to believe. Both guys were save on the double play although you may give the fantom at second, as it was given to the D's a few times lately.
2007-08-07 18:34:14
242.   Zak
Time to check out.. Same time same place. See you all.
2007-08-07 18:34:36
243.   MC Safety
233- if you ask me id say you can go take a long walk off a short pier...
2007-08-07 18:35:10
244.   underdog
Well, I've had enough of this Futile Society.

I'm going to do something more fun, like laundry.

2007-08-07 18:35:36
245.   Zak
243 Aren't you nice?! Have a nice evening. Later.
2007-08-07 18:36:07
246.   Humma Kavula
239 Sorry if the Shakespeare was over-the-top. It was meant to be ironic, based on all the comments so far... but perhaps it's too easily lumped in with the others. I withdraw it.
2007-08-07 18:36:12
247.   Bob Timmermann
There is an Orange Alert for the Cycle for Jonny Gomes.
2007-08-07 18:38:45
248.   Bob Timmermann
Are the Diamondbacks guaranteed a win tonight under some special deal they made with MLB?
2007-08-07 18:38:49
249.   underdog
246 I liked it, Humma.

The quality of mercy is not strain'd.

243 Let's not be attacking each other now. I mean seriously, time for a deep breath and a bit of a perspective check. Or should I go jump off a pier, too?

2007-08-07 18:39:29
250.   MC Safety
245- you are quite the class act yourself. have a good evening. later.
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2007-08-07 18:39:46
251.   PDH5204
247 I say we trade our starting 8 for the DRays starting 8.
2007-08-07 18:40:00
252.   underdog
Whoa. I didn't realize Wily Mo Pena cleared waivers today. Wouldn't he be worth picking up his tab for? Toss them a player to be named later.
2007-08-07 18:40:39
253.   regfairfield
240 I'm not sure, but I doubt they've ever been chasing anyone playing 10 wins over their third order winning percentage.
2007-08-07 18:40:56
254.   Gen3Blue
I'm still here.
2007-08-07 18:42:02
255.   JoeyP
248--Well, it is the Pirates at home.
2007-08-07 18:42:15
256.   MC Safety
249- sorry i just thought that was silly, i agree it wasnt the best way to address but that was lame...
2007-08-07 18:43:33
257.   bhsportsguy
252 And who would sit, because you know it ain't the guy with three hits tonight.
2007-08-07 18:45:08
258.   underdog
257 Can't we petition the league to allow us to use a DH? That would solve it!
2007-08-07 18:45:50
259.   Daniel Zappala
loss is a loss is a loss
2007-08-07 18:46:53
260.   Bluebleeder87
8 hits = 0 runs for the Dodgers
8 hits = 4 runs for the Reds

things can only get better, they JUST HAVE TOO!

2007-08-07 18:47:09
261.   regfairfield
Biggest L.A. Dodger come backs after August 7th

1983: 5.5
1995: 3.0
1978: 2.0
1959: 1.5
2006: 1.5
1996: 1.0

2007-08-07 18:47:10
262.   D4P
Heat index update:


2007-08-07 18:47:53
263.   MC Safety
257- gonzo is on pace to take a seat pretty soon here.
2007-08-07 18:48:38
264.   WellsforKemp
things can only get better, they JUST HAVE TOO!
I said that a while ago
2007-08-07 18:48:48
265.   Bob Timmermann
The Pirates are sending out one of their best pitchers in Gorzelanny and the DBacks are starting Micah Owings.
2007-08-07 18:50:00
266.   Bluebleeder87
The Dodger bats with runners on base are missing in action.
2007-08-07 18:50:33
267.   underdog
"Hit 'em where they ain't." -- Willy Keeler

Slumps are part of the game. Streaks are too.

2007-08-07 18:51:19
268.   underdog
Hey, did the Dodgers go out for BBQ ribs yet, at Penny's expense?
2007-08-07 18:52:28
269.   Bluebleeder87
all I know is that we're gonna break out of this & when we do, watch out!.
2007-08-07 18:52:38
270.   MC Safety
264- the be all end all comment that solves everything.

261- very encouraging . hopefully we can rewrite some history here.

2007-08-07 18:54:03
271.   underdog
I appreciate BlueB trying to remain positive, myself. Even though I know it's pretty hard right now. If people can't remain positive, at least try to remain civil. Night all!
2007-08-07 18:54:53
272.   natepurcell
1baddesire: What was the craziest trade offer you received this year?

COLLETTI: We had one American League club that offered us a middle reliever in exchange for two of our everyday players who are not yet 25 years old and are playing at the big league level. Needless to say, it was a short conversation.

any guesses?

2007-08-07 18:56:00
273.   Icaros
I'm glad this collapse came after the trading deadline.
2007-08-07 18:56:56
274.   regfairfield
272 Alan Embree for Bills and Kemp.
2007-08-07 18:57:59
275.   natepurcell

he said everyday players. So I'm assuming it wouldn't be a pitcher.

2007-08-07 18:58:16
276.   D4P
I hereby submit 272 to the Irony Committee.
2007-08-07 18:59:19
277.   Curtis Lowe
I go from Orange to Costa Mesa only to find that the offense gets shut out once more and Furcal failed to tie Durham for erroneous gains.

thanks for the info Mr.T.

2007-08-07 18:59:46
278.   Gen3Blue
If I was a Dodger player, I might be ashamed tonight, because no one has performed any where near their normal level.
On the other side if I were a soon to be D's opponent, I might worry just a bit about return to the mean.
2007-08-07 19:00:20
279.   D4P
Tony Jackson:

Forget about the playoffs, because the thing you have to wonder now is whether this team can finish above .500

2007-08-07 19:01:03
280.   Bluebleeder87

I'm guessing it was Dotel?

2007-08-07 19:02:26
281.   Icaros

"We had another club offer us a middle reliever for a mid-twenties infielder with loads of power and darn good patience. We almost choked on our own laughter."

2007-08-07 19:05:44
282.   Bluebleeder87

If your an alarmist i'm guessing it's gonna come out in a bad way with this little bad stretch.

2007-08-07 19:05:58
283.   bhsportsguy
281 To be fair, at times it looks like he couldn't hit water if he fell out a boat, Brad Penny has a higher batting average and the Braves already gave up on him.
2007-08-07 19:07:17
284.   D4P
Juan Pierre has a higher batting average too.
2007-08-07 19:11:49
285.   bhsportsguy
Will LaRussa's gambit payoff, Aaron Miles already batting 9th up with 2 out and 1 on down 1-0 in the bottom of 7th.

Anthony Reyes pitches his best game since the World Series start but leaves down by 1.

2007-08-07 19:14:31
286.   Bob Timmermann
Reyes pitched a good game against the Mets this year and lost a 2-hitter. He also lost a one-hitter last year to the White Sox.

Home runs were involved.

2007-08-07 19:16:38
287.   Jon Weisman
MC Safety, you were out of line.
2007-08-07 19:19:21
288.   MMSMikey
dodgers 3 for last 50 with RISP
2007-08-07 19:19:52
289.   D4P
Mike Cameron bunted with a runner at first and no outs.

Not only that, but he popped it up.

2007-08-07 19:24:08
290.   bhsportsguy
287 Getting back to what you said in the last thread, I don't think it was unexpected that Kemp and Loney came down, I mean they were not going to keep hitting over .400 with 1.000+ OPS all year.

Right now, the pitching hasn't been that bad, Penny lost two games last week, giving up 3 runs in 6 and 3 runs in 7 innings, that doesn't match the first half where he might have given up 1 or 2 runs in those starts but certainly he should have won at least one of those starts. Chad pitches great, and giving up 4 runs in Cincy still probably gives you a fighting chance to win a lot of games.

Offensively, the team has shut down, Martin and Gonzo are in funks, Pierre is down, Raffy can't his lefthanded. And Kent going down when he did sure slowed things down for him.

Telling comment about LaRoche by Ned today, saying that if he hadn't gotten hurt, he might be up playing for the Dodgers today.

2007-08-07 19:26:33
291.   bhsportsguy
Pittsburgh showcasing Jack Wilson, so he makes an error, 1-0 D-Backs after 2 though Owings has thrown 40 pitches in those first 2 innings.
2007-08-07 19:26:35
292.   D4P
Telling comment about LaRoche by Ned today, saying that if he hadn't gotten hurt, he might be up playing for the Dodgers today

Where would he be playing...?

2007-08-07 19:29:21
293.   WellsforKemp
Where would he be playing...?

"the Betimit" one start a week with a few PH's

2007-08-07 19:30:20
294.   Bob Timmermann
Miguel Cairo is available now.
2007-08-07 19:30:50
295.   WellsforKemp
2007-08-07 19:31:21
296.   El Lay Dave
Blast from the past. Re: Mark Goodson, his partner was Bill Todman, thus the understandable misrecollection of a Mark Goodman.

Clayton Kershaw will debut for Class AA Jacksonville tomorrow in a game Ned Colletti is scheduled to attend.

From Diamond Leung.

2007-08-07 19:32:01
297.   3upn3down
292 This was the full answer.

"COLLETTI: Had Andy remained healthy at Triple-A, there's a very good chance he'd be here right now, whether it be playing once in a while or coming off the bench. He's been unable to stay completely healthy this season but he certainly factors into our plans for '08."

I think it is safe to say he'd steal some ABs from Nomar, and maybe Loney assuming Nomar was willing to move back and forth, but he clearly didn't intend with his comment to imply he would be an every day starter.

2007-08-07 19:32:52
298.   El Lay Dave
294 Ned might be impressed since he's played in the major market, for BOTH teams.
2007-08-07 19:33:00
299.   Icaros

How he looks, what the Braves did, and Brad Penny's small sample size of a less-meaningful stat like batting average don't mean much to me, fair or not.

2007-08-07 19:34:22
300.   bhsportsguy
292 I don't know but he did say Andy would definitely be in the mix next year,.

Okay, one month was a lousy deal for Wilson, but it certainly seems like there is no guarantee that Nomar is destined to be at 3B next year.

Andy will be given his chance to compete again for the job, Nomar or no Nomar.

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2007-08-07 19:36:12
301.   WellsforKemp
Andy will be given his chance to compete again for the job, Nomar or no Nomar

just like Loney and kemp were?

2007-08-07 19:36:14
302.   D4P
it certainly seems like there is no guarantee that Nomar is destined to be at 3B next year

It's hard to imagine Nomar being relegated to the bench. I'd have to think he'll start at least half the time at some combo of 1B or 3B.

2007-08-07 19:38:02
303.   WellsforKemp
well, SD looks like they might win another 1-0 game but, at least they have more than 2 hits
2007-08-07 19:40:54
304.   Bob Timmermann
Tall Chris Young wasn't pitching so they had more hits.
2007-08-07 19:43:00
305.   D4P
I wish his middle name started with the letter "B"
2007-08-07 19:43:54
306.   D4P
Meanwhile, Scott Hairston is turning into the Padres's Marlon Anderson
2007-08-07 19:46:03
307.   WellsforKemp
Scott Hairston is the next Chris Young
2007-08-07 19:46:21
308.   Sam DC
Barry a hard double to center. 1-1.
2007-08-07 19:49:03
309.   Bob Timmermann
Are you referring to the score or the batting line for Bonds?
2007-08-07 19:49:22
310.   Sam DC
This is a really fine blog post on Tables of Contents. Really. Fun stuff.

Chris at Cap Punishment flagged it.

2007-08-07 19:49:48
311.   Bob Timmermann
Scott Hairston used to be Chris Young, until Chris Young became CHRIS YOUNG and now there's Justin Upton too.
2007-08-07 19:50:00
312.   Sam DC
Bonds' line. He just scored. Bacsik is melting down in the second.

I know that's very shocking to hear.

2007-08-07 19:50:18
313.   bhsportsguy
306 Actually, Marlon was having an okay year not like Hairston before they went to their new teams.

If Hairston's OPS is over 1.2 at the end of the year for the Padres, then you can compare the pickups.

But for the Padres, a cheap replacement for Hiram Bochachicca, Jose Cruz, Jr., etc.

2007-08-07 19:51:35
314.   PlayTwo
In praise of Danny Goodman: Hanging on a wall in my garage is a small picture of Sandy Koufax. One of 20 5X7's "of your favorite Dodgers" for only $1.
2007-08-07 19:51:40
315.   Bob Timmermann
I thought Yahoo had the wrong score.
2007-08-07 19:53:33
316.   WellsforKemp
All Star Jack Wilson put Pitt up 3-1
2007-08-07 19:55:14
317.   Sam DC
Barry Zito just got his first career RBI.

On a bases loaded Olney to the first baseman!

2007-08-07 19:58:59
318.   Bob Timmermann
Danny Goodman came up with the idea of selling bugles for fans to play "Charge" at the Coliseum. Then he found out that they were very annoying.

He also sold those German hats with the shaving brush thingee in them with a Dodger logo as well as the stereotypical "coolie hats" with Dodger logos on them.

2007-08-07 20:00:26
319.   D4P
Rockies have taken the lead.
2007-08-07 20:01:37
320.   El Lay Dave
Jeff Kent needs 154 PAs in the Dodgers remaining 50 games (50!) to have his $9 million (plus unknown performance bonuses) option for next year guaranteed. That's 3.08 PAs / game for all 50; 3.42 for 45, 3.85 for 40. He should make it barring a trip to the DL.

Even if he doesn't retire, would he still have the choice not to exercise the option? Could he get a better one-year contract on the open market to DH for some AL team? Play 1B for the Yankees? Do Harley-Davidson commercials?

2007-08-07 20:06:42
321.   King of the Hobos
Anyone notice that Hu played 2B today? A contingency plan for Kent?
2007-08-07 20:07:52
322.   El Lay Dave
stereotypical "coolie hats" with Dodger logos on them

I'd like to see one of those. Alas, a quick internet search yielded nothing. Did Danny consider a "Dodger 32" yarmulke?

2007-08-07 20:10:29
323.   El Lay Dave
321 He doubled as well, in 2 ABs before the rain came.

With Furcal still under contract for next year, I wouldn't be surprised if the Dodgers wanted Hu to get his feet wet in the majors in a utility type role, a la Abreu.

2007-08-07 20:15:19
324.   Sam DC
Bonds single. He's 2 for 2 with a run scored.

Bacsik has hung some serious meatballs in front of him too.

2007-08-07 20:25:58
325.   Sam DC
Four Home Runs in the Nationals/Giants game so far. None by The Barry.
2007-08-07 20:33:30
326.   das411
HAHAHA rule 1 violation by Mike Bascik Sr. on the ESPN broadcast, how cool!!!

(and who is this Danny Goodman guy? Wasn't he in a Sheryl Crow song...?)

2007-08-07 20:37:08
327.   bluegold
The phrase I see constantly regarding Hendrickson: "...after he settled down..." which always means after he has given up 3 or 4 runs in one inning or so.
2007-08-07 20:42:45
328.   Louis in SF

I believe there was a Yamulke don't know if it was 32. Regarding Bat Days-i went to 3 of them and got a Maury Wills, Bob Baily and Ron Hunt, as some of you may know Baily was part of the in the infamous Wills for Gene Michael trade...Bats in the late 60's and early 70"s were full size and it was greeat during a rally when kids would pund thier bats into the concrete.....We all know the Dodgers are weded to both Gonzales and (Pierre) for the rest of the year, since this is the case despite the best outfield being Either Pierre and Kemp, would it make any sense to jolt the batting order by flipping Pierre and Furcal. In fairness Pierre has gotten on base a bit and if Grady/Ned are going to insist on not playing the best outfield-doesn't that make more sense?

2007-08-07 20:51:51
329.   trainwreck
He did it.
2007-08-07 20:54:41
330.   das411
2007-08-07 20:56:10
331.   das411
GOOD for Mr. Aaron!!

and congratulations to Mr. Bonds!

2007-08-07 20:56:25
332.   trainwreck
I still do not think people will remember Bascik.
2007-08-07 20:56:29
333.   Sam DC
Aaron video congratulating Bonds showing at Phone Company Park.
2007-08-07 20:57:59
334.   King of the Hobos
Gameday says there's an injury. Did Bonds trip when he was rounding the bases?
2007-08-07 20:58:54
335.   Bluebleeder87
Do Harley-Davidson commercials?

He likes foreign bikes so I don't it.

2007-08-07 20:59:06
336.   Daniel Zappala
Did a Dodgers fan catch Barry's home run? From what I could see, security escorted out a guy with a blue jersey on.
2007-08-07 20:59:24
337.   das411
KoTH, I think Gameday is saying "On-Field Delay", no?

Aww.....what a speech, and what a hitter :'(

2007-08-07 21:01:56
338.   Greg Brock
A nation turns its lonely eyes to Alex Rodriguez.
2007-08-07 21:02:18
339.   trainwreck
Barry Bonds has an attractive daughter.

Imagine being his son-in-law, yikes.

2007-08-07 21:02:24
340.   King of the Hobos
334 Sorry I guess it just says delay. I swore it said injury, but it was probably just me. Maybe my subconscious wants it?
2007-08-07 21:03:34
341.   Bluebleeder87
It is historty so remember this day.

07/07/07 bizarro world

2007-08-07 21:05:08
342.   trainwreck
If he hit on July 6th of last year that would be too perfect.
2007-08-07 21:05:22
343.   Bluebleeder87

It can't come soon enough.

2007-08-07 21:05:26
344.   das411
and in such a tight game, the homer gives his team the lead. 438 to near-dead-center, and even Bascik tips his hat to Bonds.

and a HUGE standing O as he goes back into left field!

Say what you will about him, but this is truly an incredible moment for MLB...

2007-08-07 21:05:42
345.   capdodger
Uh... Don't you mean 8/7/07?
2007-08-07 21:06:40
346.   Bluebleeder87
it would be interesting to know what exact time he did it, anybody know?
2007-08-07 21:07:35
347.   Bluebleeder87

Oops, your right.

2007-08-07 21:08:31
348.   King of the Hobos
33 If I understand everything correctly, Bonds' daughters are 13 and 8...
2007-08-07 21:08:54
349.   Louis in SF

Your typing was a bit slow-try 08/07/07!...Bonds was and always will be a great hitter and a great player, but as many have said fair or unfair he will be the poster child for the steroid/enhancement era...I could have been at the game tonight and chose not to, I only hope the Nationals come back and beat them...Meanwhile I watch good baseball the Red Sox and the Angels

2007-08-07 21:09:28
350.   capdodger
Umm... Odd switch. Don't they have a game to win? It's only a one run game with 12 outs left for the Nats.
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2007-08-07 21:09:32
351.   natepurcell
Mets fan!
2007-08-07 21:09:50
352.   trainwreck
That girl cannot be 13.
2007-08-07 21:10:53
353.   natepurcell
If I understand everything correctly, Bonds' daughters are 13 and 8

well someone in his entourage looks like Gabrielle Union, so....

2007-08-07 21:11:09
354.   Bob Timmermann
I believe Bonds hit the home run shortly before 8:54 PM PT.

Perhaps 8:52 PM. 8:54 is when the first wire service story ran.

2007-08-07 21:11:25
355.   Bluebleeder87
You know what though, that hands in the air I could have done with out, dude just run the bases like a good baseball player is suppose to. We're going to have to see that for years to come, ugh.
2007-08-07 21:13:16
356.   MMSMikey
seriously, someone needs to put a muzzle on sutcliffe.
2007-08-07 21:14:27
357.   Bluebleeder87

great ball player but a complete jerk & that's what turns people off, it's a shame the dude flat out has GAME.

2007-08-07 21:15:22
358.   natepurcell
She's 16.
2007-08-07 21:15:48
359.   Bob Timmermann
Red alert for the cycle for Justin Upton
2007-08-07 21:16:35
360.   Bob Timmermann
Upton will bat in the ninth.
2007-08-07 21:17:23
361.   Fallout
What was so surprising is that Aaron had a recorded a video that they played on the big screen in the stadium soon after the HR was hit.
2007-08-07 21:19:19
362.   King of the Hobos
352 USA Today quoted Shikari as 12 in a 2006 article. But in Sheri and Bob Stritof's "Your Guide to Marriage," they quote her birthday as March 1991. Either way, she's still a few years from being legal. Her brother though turns 18 in December...
2007-08-07 21:27:44
363.   Bob Timmermann
I wonder what happened to Arizona's guaranteed win?
2007-08-07 21:27:51
364.   Vaudeville Villain

What did Sutcliffe say?

2007-08-07 21:33:16
365.   MMSMikey
he just praises bonds like he's clean. keeps making excuses for him.
2007-08-07 21:34:24
366.   Bob Timmermann
Cycle alert canceled for Upton and Bonds.

Stand down.

2007-08-07 21:47:49
367.   SG6
361 - Sorry if this was posted, but has anyone seen the Bonds (B*nds?) video on SI's homepage?

Talk about a surprise ending:

2007-08-07 22:01:42
368.   Sam DC
Barry Bonds thanked Mike Bacsik for going after him and gave him an autographed bat.
2007-08-07 22:03:22
369.   Bob Timmermann
And now the Nats have rallied to take a 7-6 lead in the 8th.
2007-08-07 22:12:43
370.   Louis in SF
Any thoughts on how much the Giants paid Aaron to make the PR statement?
2007-08-07 22:14:01
371.   das411
Awww both Mike Bascik's are soooooo classy. Glad it was someone as well-suited to handling this as he seems to be, that gave up #756.

And there is GIGANTOR!!

2007-08-07 22:15:07
372.   underdog
Well, I'm glad I was at the laundromat when Bonds hit his dinger. No, seriously, I'm glad. And I hate doing laundry.

I had a feeling Bascik would be the lucky sap.

At least ESPN can discontinue their caravan of coverage, sparing us more of the blather.

While I was at the laundromat I dozed off and dreamed that the Dodgers had a bye week, like they do in football. I'm going to believe my dream, just for comfort's sake. (In a way, the dream's true.)

2007-08-07 22:15:37
373.   Bob Timmermann
I doubt the Giants paid Aaron anything except expenses. I think Selig asked him to do it.
2007-08-07 22:19:29
374.   Uncle Miltie
Is Rick Sutcliffe drunk again? I can't believe some of the things he's saying on the air right now. It's almost like he's promoting steroid use.
2007-08-07 22:20:38
375.   Bob Timmermann
When Aaron hit #715, he stayed in the game until the 8th when he was replaced by Rowland Office. Dusty Baker then moved from CF to RF and Ralph Garr moved from RF to LF.

The Dodgers made six errors in the game.

2007-08-07 22:20:54
376.   underdog
You know what would be neat? If Aaron unretired and got back out there, then hit a couple of home runs. That would be neat.

Oh wait, I think I nodded off again and had another weird dream.

2007-08-07 22:21:46
377.   Greg Brock
Just another record destroyed by a generation of malfeasance. Big whoop.

But hey, everybody was doing it. No big deal.

2007-08-07 22:21:52
378.   Bob Timmermann
Hank Aaron is 73, so I doubt he can get around on a fastball.
2007-08-07 22:22:37
379.   underdog
He can't be worse than Olmedo Saenz these days, but go ahead ans spoil my dream if you must.
2007-08-07 22:23:32
380.   underdog
What the heck is "ans"? And. Okay, I'm going to bed for real. Good night. And, kids, just say no to the steroids, and stay in school.
2007-08-07 22:30:49
381.   Fallout
367 SG6


2007-08-07 22:36:26
382.   LAT
Hank Aaron is 73, so I doubt he can get around on a fastball.

I think not with Henrickson is on the mound. Or better yet, maybe we reactivate Al Downing. He can't be any worse than our current 4 and 5 starters.

2007-08-07 22:39:43
383.   Fallout
382 LAT
Did you see the pitch B*onds hit? Right down the middle...
2007-08-07 22:42:07
384.   Greg Brock
Mike Bacsik seems like a nice kid.
2007-08-07 22:42:28
385.   Fallout
oops. B*nds
2007-08-07 22:47:34
386.   das411
EA: "What is left for Barry Bonds?"

BB: "More baseball! Hell yeah, I ain't quittin'..."

2007-08-07 22:53:29
387.   Fallout
He is on a put as much room between him and Aaron as possible.
2007-08-07 22:53:56
388.   underdog
This is totally off subject but I just discovered something cool - my cat really likes The Magnificent Seven. Or at least, he's been riveted by it for 10-15 minutes, which is unusual. My cat rocks.

As you were.

2007-08-07 22:54:06
389.   regfairfield
I must say that the general treatment of Bonds has made me not care all that much about him breaking the record, so that's something.
2007-08-07 22:54:52
390.   LAT
Who is "EA"
2007-08-07 22:54:56
391.   Greg Brock
I remember my grandfather had a friend named Stan Bordagaray, who thought, at certain points during his senility, that he was still a pro baseball player.

Grandpa humored Frenchy like we'll humor Bonds. Yup, you have 756+, but you'll never be the home run king. Ever.


2007-08-07 22:56:35
392.   Greg Brock
388 Which scene is it? Brett in the knife fight? Chris riding the casket out to the cemetary? Bronson chopping the wood?

I need to know. Your cat just may be a legend.

2007-08-07 22:59:43
393.   LAT
I'm guessing Bond's goal is 800+ or whatever it takes to keep the record out of A-Rod's hands.
2007-08-07 23:04:46
394.   LAT
At least BB is giving all the right answers in his press conference. If this was all you saw you might even like him.
2007-08-07 23:11:57
395.   das411
390 -

391 et al say a lot more about you than they do about the new Home Run King...

from the press conference: "I'm gonna hit a lot better after this..."

"I don't want the ball, I never ever believe a home run ball belongs to a player, never. If he caught it, it's his."

"I think they brought me back to win, not to break this record. So we'll see what happens next year."

2007-08-07 23:12:58
396.   Greg Brock
394 I can ignore tax evasion, adultery, federal drug violations, perjury, and generally boorish behavior.

But the guy spun around in a circle after hitting a home run ten years ago. And I can never forgive that. Ever.

2007-08-07 23:13:16
397.   jujibee
At least I don't have to stomach the anxiety from ESPN to Fox to whoever anymore.

Different subject, Does anyone know what is happening to Bryan Morris???

2007-08-07 23:14:10
398.   LAT
Personally I liked the Greg Anderson question. BB blanched pretty good.
2007-08-07 23:14:11
399.   underdog
392 In the bar. "Clap your hands... You stay away from me willya. Let's see how fast you are! Come on!" That whole sequence. That kid from the saloon who won't take no for an answer. He got bored during one of the parts that I get bored in. The first village scenes.

I have a feeling my cat would like The Wild Bunch, it's even more exciting!

he also likes soccer.

But basically, he likes stuff where things move around on the screen. He doesn't like Eric Rohmer films as much.

2007-08-07 23:16:52
400.   Greg Brock
395 391 et al say a lot more about you than they do about the new Home Run King...

Yes, it does. And your position tells me a lot about you. So, now that our positions tell us a lot about each other, let's say that we simply agree to disagree.

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2007-08-07 23:17:41
401.   Xeifrank
Just got back from my softball game. Anything exciting happen tonight in the world of baseball? Any catchers interference plays or balks?
vr, Xei
2007-08-07 23:18:14
402.   LAT
395. Wow. Thanks for that.
2007-08-07 23:19:56
403.   Greg Brock
399 That's a great scene. In some ways, that movie is really about Horst Buchholz more than any other character.

But Robert Vaughn is still my favorite in that flick.

2007-08-07 23:24:12
404.   silverwidow
I was looking at the 2008 Free Agent Class and there is some fantastic pitching available:


Talk about cashing in. Wow.

2007-08-07 23:33:28
405.   Bob Timmermann
Sean Forman added catcher's interference as one of the sort criteria for the Baseball-reference Play Index tonight.

Because I asked!

I don't like to use the word "hero" too much...

2007-08-07 23:33:53
406.   Xeifrank
404. Doesn't Nathan have a six million dollar club option for 2008? And I'm surprised that the Angels would've left K-Rod as a free agent.
vr, Xei
2007-08-07 23:35:17
407.   Xeifrank
405. Bob, that's quite a legacy you are putting together there. vr, Xei
2007-08-07 23:37:30
408.   Bob Timmermann
It's amazing what borderline stalking behavior can do for you.
2007-08-07 23:54:00
409.   Greg Brock
I introduced a lady friend to Spike Lee's "Inside Man" tonight.

Every person who sees that movie swears it's an instant classic. I tend to agree.

2007-08-08 00:31:46
410.   Louis in SF
Bob you are probably right and perhaps I exagerate, however, in listening to the Giants station now they are wraping themselves around the Aaron statement tighter than any politician looking for his next contribution...Best thing about the home run is that the eveil ones lost and coughed up the lead to boot
2007-08-08 04:18:07
411.   weatherman
So, after watching the homerun clip a dozen times, what bothers me is that Bonds doesn't hug his son. He practically ignores him. He doesn't even hug his son.
2007-08-08 04:41:24
412.   D4P
The latest chat makes clear what we already knew:

Joe Morgan really is quite stupid, and particularly so for the #1 baseball analyst on the #1 sports network in the US.

2007-08-08 05:57:20
413.   Daniel Zappala
409 My wife started watching "Inside Man" but thought it was so good that I would want to see it, so she stopped. It's sitting by the DVD player waiting for us to get to it.
2007-08-08 06:00:04
414.   Sammy Maudlin
Barry Bonds is the first Home run king in 86 years not to have been on a World Series championship team ! Roger Connor , who was the home king prior to Babe Ruth retired in 1896 which was several years before the 1st World Series.
2007-08-08 06:00:14
415.   Daniel Zappala
411 Maybe he got his fill on #755 -- I remember seeing him carry his son quite a ways.
2007-08-08 06:59:45
416.   D4P
It's not looking good for Pierre in his quest to lead the league in outs for the 3rd time in the last 5 years. Rollins has a 6 out lead, and has two major advantages over our candidate:

1. He bats leadoff most of the time
2. His team scores a ridiculous number of runs, which gives him more PAs even when controlling for position in the lineup

2007-08-08 07:01:54
417.   Bob Timmermann
I will not trust Daniel's wife for movie advice.
2007-08-08 07:12:20
418.   Sam DC
"As a kid, you always dream of this moment. Unfortunately, as a kid, you dream of being the one hitting the home run, not giving it up." -- Mike Bacsik

"The way Mike throws, he's going to give up some home runs." -- Mike Bacsik's dad

"I knew he couldn't overpower me with his fastball." -- Barry Lamar Bonds

2007-08-08 07:12:30
419.   D4P
I just want Bob to see "Revenge of the Nerds".
2007-08-08 07:40:19
420.   Bob Timmermann
The Rockies play the Brewers in a day game today (Wednesday), so the Dodgers could start the day in fourth.
2007-08-08 07:42:35
421.   silverwidow
406-Doesn't Nathan have a six million dollar club option for 2008?

Yes, he does. But the list up there is for free agents after the 2008 season.

2007-08-08 07:46:30
422.   D4P
They could also start it in third.

Standings are like cars with manual transmissions: it's best to start in first.

2007-08-08 07:47:23
423.   Penarol1916
I saw "Biloxi Blues" for the first time last night. Very pleasant movie to sit through.
2007-08-08 07:50:53
424.   D4P
An oldie but a goodie. I always remember "Africa hot", which has particular relevance at the moment.
2007-08-08 08:03:41
425.   D4P
Wow: the IsoH* here is currently 13.1

*IsoH = Isolated Heat = (Heat Index - Temperature) = (107 - 93.9)

In other words, the Heat Index is already at 107

2007-08-08 08:04:26
426.   mankatododger
421 There is some real debate over whether the Twins will exercise the option on Nathan. They think their side armer is ready to step into that role and would be a lot cheaper.
2007-08-08 08:34:05
427.   D4P
Heat Index at 110
2007-08-08 08:41:58
428.   mankatododger
Heat index at 73.
2007-08-08 08:55:47
429.   El Lay Dave
426 Seriously?? Even for the Twins, $6 million for Nathan is a good deal both for Nathan's service and the bullpen depth realized by keeping him.
2007-08-08 09:13:28
430.   El Lay Dave
Unfortunately, one thought that flashed across my mind while listening to Bonds was that he didn't experience the voice-deepening side-effect of anabolic steroid use.

This should be a so much greater moment for baseball. I remember watching Aaron on live TV and being transfixed. Last night I worked late and heard about it on the radio as I passed Wilshire Blvd. without feeling like I was missing out. Sad.

2007-08-08 09:25:47
431.   underdog
Miguel Pinango pitches for Vegas today in a morning game (I think it's at 10) if anyone wants to listen. I know I asked this before, but anyone think the Dodgers will give Pinango a chance sometime soon? Or next season? He's been quite effective, strong even, at Vegas for the most part.

McDonald is listed as starting for Jax today. Wasn't Kershaw scheduled or is that tomorrow? Either way, should be interesting to track that one, too.

oh yeah, and the Dodgers play the Reds today or something.

2007-08-08 09:29:47
432.   fanerman
I think I was cooking dinner (a late one) and listening to music. I flipped through some TV channels to see what was going on and I saw what looked like a big celebration, so I figured it happened. I watched for awhile, waited for the reply. Then I went back to checking my spaghetti. And that was that.
2007-08-08 09:30:30
433.   popup
For me Danny Goodman is a very pleasant blast from the past. In the late 60's I saw an ad, I think in the Sporting News, for a Danny Goodman package: programs from the 1965 and 1966 World Series and a record containing Vin's call of the 9th inning of Sandy's perfect game. The programs are long gone and I am afraid the record is too. Somehow I have lost the record (though I am sure it must be somewhere in my house), but fortunately about 15 years ago I made a cassette tape from the record, so I still have Vin's magnificent call. Thanks to Rob, anyone with an internet connection has it too.

Stan from Tacoma

2007-08-08 09:37:48
434.   underdog
Sergio Pedroza now has 19 home runs in the FSL. Granted, it's A, but still. Apparently he's battled through a wrist injury and then some vision problems but has been on a tear as of late, 4 homers in 4 days. He was actually the one prospect the Dodgers traded last year that I regretted. They could use another power bat in their farm system.
2007-08-08 09:43:22
435.   Summer Saint
I was at the gym last night, and I happened to look up at one of the TV's between sets to find CNN reporting that Bonds had hit 756. I pointed it out to my friend, who said "amazing what drugs can do for you, huh?" I replied with a very well-thought-out "whatever" while shrugging, and got straight back to my workout.
2007-08-08 09:44:35
436.   fanerman
432 "reply" should be "replay."
2007-08-08 09:53:33
437.   regfairfield
434 Vero Beach is probably the biggest launching pad in the minors, he's old for the league and he strikes out once every 3.5 at bats. Don't worry about him.
2007-08-08 09:55:58
438.   mankatododger
429From what I hear here, the Twins are trying to sort out who to spend on. Hunter is a free agent after this year and Santana has one more year. Those two would take up a huge chunk of their payroll and there is almost no chance they would keep both of them and Nathan. But most talk here seems to assume that Nathan will be gone to save the money to pay the other guys.
2007-08-08 10:00:23
439.   Daniel Zappala
I was watching the Red Sox - Angels game, reveling that at least one of the teams I root for could hit and score some runs. They broke in for the homer, so I switched over to the game and showed my son (the one who is a Bonds fan). He recognized Bonds but was only mildly interested, as 9-year-olds sometimes are, so perhaps his Bonds fascination, which is due solely to Backyard Baseball, is fading.

I'm quite conflicted on Bonds. There is some evidence he has cheated, but it's not clear exactly what role that played in his ability to hit lots of home runs. Until Bonds comes clean or we have more solid evidence, I will remain conflicted on how I view his role in history.

On the other hand, I found the Aaron video a moment that I will always cherish, far more than anything Bonds has done.

2007-08-08 10:00:26
440.   silverwidow
431-Kershaw pitched on Saturday, which would line him up to pitch tomorrow (despite Tony Jackson saying he'd pitch today).
2007-08-08 10:02:37
441.   Jon Weisman
Have a nice day, everyone. New post up top.
2007-08-08 10:03:49
442.   capdodger
I'd just flipped off of the Colbert Report and saw a celebration. I watched for about two innings and then went to bed. I was pleased to hear from my drive-time NPR that the Giants lost another game in which Barry set or broke a record.
2007-08-08 10:11:37
443.   underdog
440 Ah, I didn't realize it was Jackson who stated that. Then I should've known. be fun to track McDonald today, too.

437 Probably fair, but I still wish we would've kept him. he's 23 but it took him awhile to make some adjustments and get over the wrist injury. But true about VB. It's weird to see someone formerly a Dodger play at Vero Beach, and not for the Dodgers.

2007-08-08 10:25:48
444.   Xeifrank
I haven't watched the replay of Bonds' home run yet. If all goes as planned, I never will. There are two things I have promised myself to make every attempt to never watch. Number one is the movie Titanic and number two is Bonds' 756th home run replay. Number two, is going to be hard to avoid for a few days.
vr, Xei
2007-08-08 10:30:24
445.   D4P
I haven't watched the replay of Bonds' home run yet. If all goes as planned, I never will

Ditto. Unfortunately, I've seen "Titanic".

2007-08-08 11:27:05
446.   Icaros
I haven't seen Titanic, either.

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