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Here are the Dodgers' batting stats for the past seven days.
Update: Juan Pierre has been dropped to the No. 7 spot in the batting order.
"One thing that probably will be consistent in there for a while is the top of the lineup," Grady Little told Tony Jackson of the Daily News. "I'm going to go with Furcal and Martin for a while at the top and put Juan down. Early in the season, there were some struggles there. Now, we're looking at nearly 450-500 at-bats. We need a little bit more on-base percentage. That is the bottom line right there."
It's a bit as if they think Pierre's on-base percentage struggles came out of the blue this season. I guess it's like that marketing tactic NBC used to use to promote their summer reruns: "If you haven't seen it, it's new to you!"
Jackson added that "Grady also made it clear Pierre isn't the only scapegoat for this team's freefall."
And this is true. No matter how you slice it, the batting order just isn't going to matter much until the entire roster - veterans and youngsters - stops slumping.
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Today's 9:35 a.m. game:
You have to be at least a little encouraged by this little tidbit from Little (via Diamond Leung), about Pierre:
>>Some very interesting news coming out of today's lineup. Juan Pierre has been dropped to seventh in the lineup, and while hitting him lower in the order has happened before during his struggles, he will be hitting toward the bottom of the lineup "for a while," according to Grady Little. Rafael Furcal will hit leadoff, and Russell Martin will hit second. Among the Little quotes...
"Early in the season, there was some struggling there. Now we're at 400-500 at-bats. We need more on-base percentage. That's the bottom line. That's pure numbers.
"To get runs, we have to get more runners on. We need more of an on-base percentage from this man.
"It's not really something he's probably looking forward to or has done much in his life. I'm not doing this. I'm writing it down. The numbers dictate.
"What I buy is the bottom line. There's a lot of numbers to judge by.<<
http://tinyurl.com/2yjxqm
I don't think he needs to go that far. Drop him in the batting order, bench him, maybe even DFA. But euthanasia?
The Dodgers must be on the road in Alaska.
With Martin struggling is this really the time to put him in the two hole?
Has Gonzo ever sat two games in a row this season?
Is there any possible reason in this heat why Martin is catching a night/day game?
With Betemit traded, shouldn't La Roche be on the roster so we don't have to see Ramon Martinez actually play?
I can only hope he is refering to himself and Ned, regarding other scapegoats.
The team would have been so much better if Loney had started the season with the Dodgers and starting at first and with Kemp starting in CF. Nomar should have been working out at third base in spring training.
Question 1: Check out my seven-day link above. He's struggling less than anyone except Ethier.
Question 2: I feel like he did once, but I'd have to check.
Question 3: To calm Tomko down?
Question 4: I think LaRoche is achy-hurt.
6 Today's game time suits me fine. It's 7:30 PM where I live (Ma'ale Adumim, Israel). Don't ask what time I wake up for PT / ET "night" games.
Struggling is struggling, whether it's relative to anyone else on the team or not, I think.
The movable object vs the resistable force.
Anyone who cares about batting order, I would think, would want Martin batting ahead of Pierre, rain or shine.
Per Rotowire...
I am still hopefull. But if Lowe can't go, we are in for more rough sailing.
bases juiced & NO OUTS, with Kent at the plate.
Aaaahhhhhh.
Still.... yay!
vr, Xei
16 underdog
The Dodgers will score a run tomorrow. I won't guarantee a win or a lot of runs. But I will bet on a run.
See! I told you so!
Hope that wasn't it for the rest of the week.
Yes, Saenz in the #3 is a one-game thing, but do you have to do it the day after the team get shut out three straight games?
Darn, that lead was short-lived.
Kent wouldn't have been a bad #3 hitter today.
At least that's my read of the posts about the KT.
Downside: Pierre moves back to leadoff. (hehe)
Been living in Texas for 15 years. Go there for one year and you'll be talking with an accent.
This guy might have been a prospect in 2001, but if you look at his numbers now (5.95 K/9, 3.77 BB/9, 1.03 HR/9 at age 25 in AAA in 2006) and I wouldn't even want the guy if he produced those numbers in the bigs.
Tomko.
Sigh.
"Arrrrghhhhh!"
As opposed to us when we use Stults?
Every system has these guys, should they just blow a year of arbitration and bring up Cuerto when they are in last place?
Dodgers are three sac flies away from the major league record for one game!
You can look at it that way also, but you rarely see Pierre hitting the ball to the warning track let alone the opposite field!
How Gameday describes Saenz's out. You don't see "lines out softly" often. "Gently" would have also been funny.
Remember when the Reds used to have too many outfielders?
A nice future outfield of Bruce/Hamilton/Griffy in 2008.
All I know is he doesn't belong in the #3 slot, maybe not even #4 slot, if high-OBP is a requirement to be in the top of the lineup.
Maybe they are just despondent because they are in Cincinnati and they don't like watching their feet melt.
Whats with Monday scaring me with this talk of Martin favoring his ankle?
Russ doesn't screw up as much as Herc.
I guess the issue really stems from having both Martinez and Saenz in the lineup, like someone mentioned up top.
Still, you can try to string together high OBPs. I would've been a little happier with this.
Player OBP
Furcal .344
Martin .366
Kent .379
Kemp .346
Saenz .298
Young .286
Pierre .315
Martinez .238
Tomko .048
YAY for the run/s
Charlie Steiner, however, is stuck in the blazing, sticky heat of Cincinnati.
The whole team wants out of Cincinnati. They are looking ahead to the cool breezes of St. Louis.
Because most major league pitchers don't have ERAs of 16 for long periods of time. It's really hard to keep an ERA that high with more than a few innings.
Because if you do, that means the team keeps sending you out for a beating. Which really serves no purpose.
Yes, I was hoping that the Dodgers would do something to stop the trend. When AAA flotsam can win a game...
Since beating Jaime Moyer on July 16th, the Dodgers are 0-6 against LH starters (Glavine (who they beat up but lost the game) Oliver Perez, Jeff Francis, Noah Lowry, Barry Zito and Doug Davis).
Man, he's struggling.
Take some notes, the rest of you Dodgers.
vr, Xei
why is that good if its the one you don't want?
Kemp looks like absolutely dog doodoo at the plate today. Out in front, weak swings. Yuck.
Did a fan statch a ball away from a Reds player going into the stands?
That sentence makes so much more sense with it's proper subject.
"We need more on-base percentage at the top," Little said. "It's a pure numbers thing there. To get people to score runs, you have to get people on. We need a little more on-base percentage from this man [Pierre]. Look at [Cincinnati's] lineup. They have a first baseman, Scott Hatteberg, leading off. You wonder what's the reason? Just look at the stat sheet. He has a .400 on-base percentage or better."
Sounds kinda like That Oakland Thing, especially with Hatteberg.
Today is the 11th consecutive game where the opposing starter has thrown a Quality Start against the Dodgers. The Dodger starters have now 5 Quality Starts in that same period of time.
Furcal + Martin + Saenz = 1.008 OBP
Furcal + Pierre + Martin = 1.025 OBP
Like Jon said, Pierre's performance is not a surprise to most people here. This is what we expected and, in an ideal world, would want Dodgers management to consider before signing someone to a LT deal.
So my Timmermann challenge for the day is:
When was the last time the Dodgers started two non-pitchers batting under .200 this late in the season? I don't know the answer, I'm just curious.
I assume you would want late season games with September callups excluded?
It's a cunning plan.
Maybe they can win this.
Yea, I guess we've got to exclude the callups. How does 75 AB minimum sound?. I would go for 100 AB minimum, but that would actually exclude both Saenz and Martinez (although just barely).
We'll take our RBI sac flies, and we'll like it.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/LAN/LAN196306120.shtml
The Brooklyn record is probably the same.
Probably?
I still think you're overthinking, though.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SFN/SFN200608190.shtml
They scored a lot in that game.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYA/NYA200404240.shtml
They won 3-2!
But the 1980 Expos had four runs score all on sac flies.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHN/CHN198005280.shtml
And they lost 8-4.
The Dodgers have left 1.75 times as many runners on base than the Reds in this game.
Guardado is a lefty.
Paging Mr. Beimel?
You're looking at the individual numbers instead of the team numbers.
That's the total of runners left on base by each batter when his at bat is over. It's different from the numbers runners left on base at the end of the inning.
Ah ha, now I see
Team LOB make the box score add up.
vr, Xei
A real rally killer. If you have most of your teams hits, they can't be bunched to do some good.
This is the National League. We need pinch-hitters here.
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