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Pass the Smelling Salts
2007-08-09 08:47
by Jon Weisman

Here are the Dodgers' batting stats for the past seven days.

Update: Juan Pierre has been dropped to the No. 7 spot in the batting order.

"One thing that probably will be consistent in there for a while is the top of the lineup," Grady Little told Tony Jackson of the Daily News. "I'm going to go with Furcal and Martin for a while at the top and put Juan down. Early in the season, there were some struggles there. Now, we're looking at nearly 450-500 at-bats. We need a little bit more on-base percentage. That is the bottom line right there."

It's a bit as if they think Pierre's on-base percentage struggles came out of the blue this season. I guess it's like that marketing tactic NBC used to use to promote their summer reruns: "If you haven't seen it, it's new to you!"

Jackson added that "Grady also made it clear Pierre isn't the only scapegoat for this team's freefall."

And this is true. No matter how you slice it, the batting order just isn't going to matter much until the entire roster - veterans and youngsters - stops slumping.

* * *

Today's 9:35 a.m. game:


Retro Gameday

Comments (257)
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2007-08-09 08:59:19
1.   underdog
Reposting from previous thread:
You have to be at least a little encouraged by this little tidbit from Little (via Diamond Leung), about Pierre:
>>Some very interesting news coming out of today's lineup. Juan Pierre has been dropped to seventh in the lineup, and while hitting him lower in the order has happened before during his struggles, he will be hitting toward the bottom of the lineup "for a while," according to Grady Little. Rafael Furcal will hit leadoff, and Russell Martin will hit second. Among the Little quotes...

"Early in the season, there was some struggling there. Now we're at 400-500 at-bats. We need more on-base percentage. That's the bottom line. That's pure numbers.

"To get runs, we have to get more runners on. We need more of an on-base percentage from this man.

"It's not really something he's probably looking forward to or has done much in his life. I'm not doing this. I'm writing it down. The numbers dictate.

"What I buy is the bottom line. There's a lot of numbers to judge by.<<

2007-08-09 09:03:41
2.   Gagne55
Maybe this will be the game that the Dodgers score a run.
2007-08-09 09:06:58
3.   Jon Weisman
1 - I got it from Tony Jackson (see above), but same idea.
2007-08-09 09:09:51
4.   bhsportsguy
A little OT here but Bob and other folks who pass through South Pasadena, here is news about an historic building that you may not be able to be able to do the "Time Warp" for much longer.

2007-08-09 09:17:08
5.   Humma Kavula
put Juan down

I don't think he needs to go that far. Drop him in the batting order, bench him, maybe even DFA. But euthanasia?

2007-08-09 09:18:07
6.   Daniel Zappala
Tonight's 9:35 a.m. game

The Dodgers must be on the road in Alaska.

2007-08-09 09:18:27
7.   Bluebleeder87
just hearing Grady Little say On Base Percentage is bonus points in my book.
2007-08-09 09:19:21
8.   ToyCannon
Sounds like they thought they were going to get the career 347 OBP guy and not the guy who has done 330/326 the last two years.

With Martin struggling is this really the time to put him in the two hole?

Has Gonzo ever sat two games in a row this season?

Is there any possible reason in this heat why Martin is catching a night/day game?

With Betemit traded, shouldn't La Roche be on the roster so we don't have to see Ramon Martinez actually play?

2007-08-09 09:19:26
9.   Bumsrap
Jackson added that "Grady also made it clear Pierre isn't the only scapegoat for this team's freefall

I can only hope he is refering to himself and Ned, regarding other scapegoats.

The team would have been so much better if Loney had started the season with the Dodgers and starting at first and with Kemp starting in CF. Nomar should have been working out at third base in spring training.

2007-08-09 09:19:32
10.   Jon Weisman
6 - LOL
2007-08-09 09:23:04
11.   Jon Weisman
8 - These and other questions to be answered on the next episode of "Soap."

Question 1: Check out my seven-day link above. He's struggling less than anyone except Ethier.

Question 2: I feel like he did once, but I'd have to check.

Question 3: To calm Tomko down?

Question 4: I think LaRoche is achy-hurt.

2007-08-09 09:27:13
12.   Connector
Hi everybody
6 Today's game time suits me fine. It's 7:30 PM where I live (Ma'ale Adumim, Israel). Don't ask what time I wake up for PT / ET "night" games.
2007-08-09 09:27:39
13.   bhsportsguy
11 LaRoche hasn't played in a few days, its as if when he sniffs going to LA, he gets a boo boo.
2007-08-09 09:28:17
14.   Humma Kavula
11 But Pierre is struggling less than anyone but Ethier and Martin, and he got dropped.

Struggling is struggling, whether it's relative to anyone else on the team or not, I think.

2007-08-09 09:30:11
15.   still bevens
Is Loney going to be batting 3rd when things go back from desperation mode? Or will Grady put Martin back in the three hole and move someone like Ethier to #2?
2007-08-09 09:32:13
16.   old dodger fan
We are facing a guy today with an ERA of 16.20. Our line up features 2 players (not counting Tomko) with BA's below .180.

The movable object vs the resistable force.

2007-08-09 09:34:20
17.   Connector
15 Good question...I, too, think a better place for Loney is higher up in the order.
2007-08-09 09:37:32
18.   Jon Weisman
14 - Somebody has to bat second. I mean, you can't have zero leadoff and No. 2 hitters and four No. 6 and No. 7 hitters.

Anyone who cares about batting order, I would think, would want Martin batting ahead of Pierre, rain or shine.

2007-08-09 09:40:30
19.   rockmrete
Derek Lowe will have his start scheduled for Thursday pushed back to Saturday due to a sore left hip.

Per Rotowire...

I am still hopefull. But if Lowe can't go, we are in for more rough sailing.

2007-08-09 09:41:12
20.   Bluebleeder87
Martin is stash less today, interesting.
2007-08-09 09:41:48
21.   Sam DC
2 on no outs!
2007-08-09 09:42:49
22.   Sam DC
2007-08-09 09:42:58
23.   Bluebleeder87

bases juiced & NO OUTS, with Kent at the plate.

2007-08-09 09:43:07
24.   Jon Weisman
3 on no outs!
2007-08-09 09:44:43
25.   Sam DC


2007-08-09 09:45:24
26.   underdog
Hey guys, my MLBTV is wigging out. They just showed someone on the Dodgers crossing home plate. Was that accidentally a highlight from an old game?
2007-08-09 09:45:33
27.   Hythloday
I was really rooting for the inside the park homer by Broxton, but I'll take a sac-fly.
2007-08-09 09:45:42
28.   Bluebleeder87
watching the dugout it's like a party down there when that run scored, smiles everywhere.
2007-08-09 09:46:11
29.   bhsportsguy
Still have not scored a run on a hit but they are 1 for 1 with RISP today.
2007-08-09 09:47:10
30.   underdog
Argh, Bison has to stop doing that.
2007-08-09 09:47:20
31.   Telemachos
Ouch. That was over fast.

Still.... yay!

2007-08-09 09:47:28
32.   caseybarker
2007-08-09 09:47:48
33.   underdog
Hee. Like your new post above, Jon. :-)
2007-08-09 09:47:59
34.   Telemachos
LOL at Jon's latest post. :)
2007-08-09 09:48:06
35.   Sam DC
(someone's jumping up and down on the couch up top)
2007-08-09 09:48:10
36.   caseybarker
...for the run, not the double play.
2007-08-09 09:49:42
37.   Connector
Please pitch well, Brett...
2007-08-09 09:50:12
38.   old dodger fan
Missed opportunities. Last night in the 8th; today in the 1st. Both on DP's. It has to get better but we have a lead. Haven't said that lately.
2007-08-09 09:50:14
39.   Xeifrank
The earth rumbles, and the Dodgers score a run. What's it going to take for them to score more than one run in an inning?
vr, Xei
2007-08-09 09:51:02
40.   underdog
From previous thread:
16 underdog
The Dodgers will score a run tomorrow. I won't guarantee a win or a lot of runs. But I will bet on a run.

See! I told you so!

Hope that wasn't it for the rest of the week.

2007-08-09 09:51:36
41.   underdog
39 I dunno but they're gonna need that with Tomko pitching.
2007-08-09 09:52:09
42.   ryu
Sure, you drop Pierre down because of his low OBP, but you turn around and put Saenz in the #3 slot. I'm too lazy to look up Saenz's OBP, but I'm gonna guess it's not high.

Yes, Saenz in the #3 is a one-game thing, but do you have to do it the day after the team get shut out three straight games?

2007-08-09 09:53:24
43.   underdog
I hate when Tomko actually does something well and the other team still gets on base.
2007-08-09 09:57:55
44.   underdog
42 Not thrilled with having Saenz in there either but Loney probably needed a day off and they don't have too many backups for first base. (Hm, can Lieberthal play first base?)

Darn, that lead was short-lived.

2007-08-09 09:59:59
45.   Bluebleeder87
Hoping D. Young hits his 1st home run today.
2007-08-09 10:00:05
46.   Jon Weisman
42 - So who should bat No. 3 today?
2007-08-09 10:03:14
47.   gpellamjr
A single to lead off the 2nd! The Dodgers are an offensive machine today!
2007-08-09 10:03:16
48.   Bluebleeder87

Kent wouldn't have been a bad #3 hitter today.

2007-08-09 10:03:54
49.   bhsportsguy
46 I think its more should Saenz be playing at all or even on the team versus whether he is batting third today.

At least that's my read of the posts about the KT.

2007-08-09 10:04:23
50.   gpellamjr
Pierre's OBP today: 1.000
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2007-08-09 10:04:23
51.   underdog
I guess Pierre likes batting down in the order more so far.
2007-08-09 10:04:39
52.   Bluebleeder87
wow, Pierre showing some opposite field power hitting a double towards the warning track OF.
2007-08-09 10:04:56
53.   bhsportsguy
48 Then Kemp bats cleanup? With Olmedo and Ramon playing today, you have to bat them somewhere.
2007-08-09 10:05:01
54.   Telemachos
Upside: Pierre doubles! Runners on second and third! No out!

Downside: Pierre moves back to leadoff. (hehe)

2007-08-09 10:05:30
55.   Jon Weisman
48 - Right, okay, but one spot in the order is splitting hairs.
2007-08-09 10:05:34
56.   underdog
Also helps that this pitcher just... isn't very good.
2007-08-09 10:05:37
57.   Telemachos
It'd be hilarious if Tomko is the first guy to get a hit with RISP.
2007-08-09 10:05:47
58.   bhsportsguy
Still 1 for 2 with RISP but with 2 runs batted in by the SF.
2007-08-09 10:07:02
59.   bhsportsguy
52 I thought it was a more of a ball hit to the right place than a line drive to the LF corner.
2007-08-09 10:12:23
61.   bryanf
Thanks all. It's been a crazy couple of days for me and coming here and reading comments always cheers me up. The Dodgers finally scoring some runs helps too. :)
2007-08-09 10:14:47
63.   underdog
"Jeff Kent: In My Own Words" - that might actually be interesting to watch.
2007-08-09 10:17:34
65.   Kevin Lewis
63) That might be the second "In My Own Words" I will watch. Russell's was a no brainer, but I know so little about Jeff Kent.
2007-08-09 10:17:35
66.   ToyCannon
Been living in Texas for 15 years. Go there for one year and you'll be talking with an accent.
2007-08-09 10:17:41
67.   regfairfield
Is Dumatrait's presence in the Reds rotation a testament to the Reds farm system, or Krivski's intelligence?

This guy might have been a prospect in 2001, but if you look at his numbers now (5.95 K/9, 3.77 BB/9, 1.03 HR/9 at age 25 in AAA in 2006) and I wouldn't even want the guy if he produced those numbers in the bigs.

2007-08-09 10:18:18
69.   underdog



2007-08-09 10:18:24
70.   Kevin Lewis
Ouch, I would have been okay with the runner scoring on a hit and run double
2007-08-09 10:19:10
71.   underdog
"Brett Tomko: In My Own Words":


2007-08-09 10:19:33
72.   Sam DC
2007-08-09 10:19:48
73.   capdodger
As soon as I saw the stats on that pitch, I knew it had gone out. It was a hung slider wasn't it?
2007-08-09 10:20:48
75.   ToyCannon
As opposed to us when we use Stults?
Every system has these guys, should they just blow a year of arbitration and bring up Cuerto when they are in last place?
2007-08-09 10:21:18
76.   Bob Timmermann
Well, that was fun while it lasted.

Dodgers are three sac flies away from the major league record for one game!

2007-08-09 10:22:11
77.   Bluebleeder87

You can look at it that way also, but you rarely see Pierre hitting the ball to the warning track let alone the opposite field!

2007-08-09 10:24:03
78.   underdog
Dumatrait = One of the Darryls from the show "Newhart"
2007-08-09 10:25:26
79.   regfairfield
75 Touche, but this guy is worse than Stults.
2007-08-09 10:27:09
80.   D4P
Heat Index: 115
2007-08-09 10:27:51
81.   weatherman
Olmedo Saenz lines out softly to left fielder Jeff Keppinger.

How Gameday describes Saenz's out. You don't see "lines out softly" often. "Gently" would have also been funny.

2007-08-09 10:28:30
82.   ToyCannon
In 3 innings of facing the Dodgers he's dropped his ERA from 16 to 11.
2007-08-09 10:29:25
83.   bhsportsguy
I believe Matt is something like 2 for his last 30 odd at bats.
2007-08-09 10:30:39
84.   ToyCannon
What about his even at bats?
2007-08-09 10:31:13
85.   Jon Weisman
81 - I've seen "softly" often enough, but I wouldn't mind seeing "lines out with the delicacy of a mother laying her newborn babe in its cradle."
2007-08-09 10:32:12
86.   regfairfield
Heh, just realized Keppinger was in left.

Remember when the Reds used to have too many outfielders?

2007-08-09 10:32:45
87.   capdodger
Was the 0-2 pitch to Griffey as high and tight as GD said it was?
2007-08-09 10:35:48
88.   weatherman
85 - "lines out with the feathery touch of a Bob Ross brush stroke"
2007-08-09 10:35:50
89.   bhsportsguy
84 Actually, through today, Matt is for 2 for 29 since DT Day.
2007-08-09 10:36:26
90.   ToyCannon
Would have been cool if they brought up Bruce for this series considering they are short outfielders.
A nice future outfield of Bruce/Hamilton/Griffy in 2008.
2007-08-09 10:36:47
91.   underdog
If Tomko can continue being settled down, the Dodgers should have a chance in this one with whatshisface pitching. Should, but who knows.
2007-08-09 10:38:02
92.   jones2929
I'm listening to the Reds' feed on XM. They are complaining about the despondency shown by the Dodgers during this series--"Everyone with the Dodgers is walking around town with their head staring at the ground. Get over it! We in Cincinnati would love to be 3 games over .500". Pretty funny.
2007-08-09 10:38:58
93.   ryu
46 I don't know who should be the #3 hitter, nor where Saenz should bat. Maybe fifth or sixth or seventh or eighth.

All I know is he doesn't belong in the #3 slot, maybe not even #4 slot, if high-OBP is a requirement to be in the top of the lineup.

2007-08-09 10:39:19
94.   bhsportsguy
4 straight innings with the leadoff hitter on base, twice that has been Mr. Young.
2007-08-09 10:40:04
95.   ToyCannon
Maybe they are just despondent because they are in Cincinnati and they don't like watching their feet melt.
2007-08-09 10:44:36
97.   ToyCannon
ERA now down to 10.
2007-08-09 10:44:55
98.   Kevin Lewis
Furcal!!!!!! Ahhhhhhh
2007-08-09 10:46:02
99.   dzzrtRatt
If you're watching on TV, did you notice how half-hearted Tomko's post-bunt high fives were in the dugout. The body language was like: "Yeah, yeah, yeah, Brett, um, Hall of Fame quality work there, now go sit down."
2007-08-09 10:46:06
100.   Jon Weisman
93 - Like I said before, you can't bat all nine guys in the bottom of the order.
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2007-08-09 10:46:46
101.   underdog
I know this sounds like crazy talk, but Furcal looks so out of sorts at the plate, and is so important to their offense - do you DL him for a rest and bring up someone like Hu? (Or LaRoche. But he can't play short.) I don't know, just spitballing here. The team really needs Raffy, but he's just looked off. That fast ball that struck him out in the first he would've been able to catch up on last year.
2007-08-09 10:48:34
102.   Terry A
92 - I suspect they're all despondent because they know they've let Tony Jackson down.
2007-08-09 10:48:35
103.   bhsportsguy
101 He is still able to play pretty good SS and I think he will recover from his injury during the off-season so the extra few months won't really help.
2007-08-09 10:50:07
104.   Jon Weisman
101 - I think we're past the window of opportunity for that.
2007-08-09 10:51:00
105.   Gen3Blue
Yow- got surprised by the day game and just tuned in. So I missed the only D's runs in about thirty innings and presumably missed the only time they spent in the lead, also. Tomko does seem to settle in after throwing 2 0r 3 innings of letter high fastballs.
2007-08-09 10:51:28
106.   Bob Timmermann
The Cardinals have brought up Rick Ankiel.
2007-08-09 10:51:31
107.   Telemachos
Good inning by Tomko.
2007-08-09 10:51:44
108.   underdog
103 I just meant a brief DL sting, but 104 you're right, I suppose. I guess he'll get more of a rest in a month.
2007-08-09 10:52:03
109.   underdog
stint, not sting. Freudian slip?
2007-08-09 10:52:14
110.   bhsportsguy
106 Saw that, do you think he will bat 9th tomorrow?
2007-08-09 10:52:54
111.   Connector
George Steiner sounds like a guy who'd rather be someplace else. Does he always sound like that?
2007-08-09 10:52:59
112.   weatherman
Have we really given up on making the playoffs? We had the best record in the NL just a few weeks ago, right?
2007-08-09 10:54:04
113.   weatherman
Russ Martin looks like "Herc" from The Wire.
2007-08-09 10:54:20
114.   still bevens
Whats with the first pitch swinging?

Whats with Monday scaring me with this talk of Martin favoring his ankle?

2007-08-09 10:54:24
115.   Bob Timmermann
Russ doesn't screw up as much as Herc.
2007-08-09 10:57:45
116.   Jon Weisman
106 - Very cool.
2007-08-09 10:58:18
117.   weatherman
I'd hope not.
2007-08-09 10:58:43
118.   Bob Timmermann
Ankiel will start in right field tonight and get to face Tall Chris Young.
2007-08-09 10:58:54
119.   ryu
I guess the issue really stems from having both Martinez and Saenz in the lineup, like someone mentioned up top.

Still, you can try to string together high OBPs. I would've been a little happier with this.

Player OBP
Furcal .344
Martin .366
Kent .379
Kemp .346
Saenz .298
Young .286
Pierre .315
Martinez .238
Tomko .048

2007-08-09 10:59:18
120.   ToyCannon
Piling on. The 16.00 ERA has now dropped to below 8.64.
2007-08-09 11:00:14
121.   Curtis Lowe
Why is it everytime the Dodgers face a pitcher that has just been lit up they struggle?

YAY for the run/s

2007-08-09 11:00:42
122.   underdog
Um, that's getting old, Toy. :-P Of course, so is the Dodgers' stagnation. But I have faith!
2007-08-09 11:01:05
123.   Jacob L
About 10 minutes ago, I was going to post that I was sure this would be the inning where we busta loose. I spent the intervening 10 minutes doing work stuff, so my bad. There's always next inning (until the 9th, that is).
2007-08-09 11:01:52
124.   dzzrtRatt
111 George Steiner is somewhere else, pondering the metaphysics of art no doubt.

Charlie Steiner, however, is stuck in the blazing, sticky heat of Cincinnati.

The whole team wants out of Cincinnati. They are looking ahead to the cool breezes of St. Louis.

2007-08-09 11:02:08
125.   Bob Timmermann
Because most major league pitchers don't have ERAs of 16 for long periods of time. It's really hard to keep an ERA that high with more than a few innings.

Because if you do, that means the team keeps sending you out for a beating. Which really serves no purpose.

2007-08-09 11:02:20
126.   ToyCannon
Yes, I was hoping that the Dodgers would do something to stop the trend. When AAA flotsam can win a game...
2007-08-09 11:03:09
127.   Gen3Blue
Got to credit Seinz with a good play.
2007-08-09 11:06:47
128.   bhsportsguy
119 Like Jon said, you are flipping around just a few spots.

Since beating Jaime Moyer on July 16th, the Dodgers are 0-6 against LH starters (Glavine (who they beat up but lost the game) Oliver Perez, Jeff Francis, Noah Lowry, Barry Zito and Doug Davis).

2007-08-09 11:06:57
129.   weatherman
106 - He was by far the best player for the Memphis Redbirds in the games I caught this year. I'm excited to see how he does.
2007-08-09 11:07:40
130.   Curtis Lowe
125 - Thanks.
2007-08-09 11:08:04
131.   natepurcell
nice play dodger fan!
2007-08-09 11:08:09
132.   dzzrtRatt
Wow. That's a potential luck-changing moment.
2007-08-09 11:08:31
133.   Bob Timmermann
I don't see who the Cardinals have sent down. They've got a lot of outfielders already who are having decent years except for Edmonds.
2007-08-09 11:08:40
134.   underdog
Thank you, Dodger fan.
2007-08-09 11:08:46
135.   Gen3Blue
Great play by D's fan.
2007-08-09 11:08:48
136.   natepurcell
Too bad Kemp didn't want that second chance.
2007-08-09 11:08:58
137.   underdog
Er, but Kemp says, no, thank YOU.

Man, he's struggling.

2007-08-09 11:09:09
138.   D4P
Well, at least Kemp gets a true outcome out of the deal.
2007-08-09 11:09:41
139.   underdog
Holy cow, break up Delwyn!

Take some notes, the rest of you Dodgers.

2007-08-09 11:10:05
140.   Xeifrank
66% WE for the Reds.
vr, Xei
2007-08-09 11:10:08
141.   bhsportsguy
137 Now he's 2 for his last 30.
2007-08-09 11:11:19
142.   Gen3Blue
Whatever it is Delwyn hasn't been infected yet.
2007-08-09 11:11:47
143.   dzzrtRatt
Doesn't sound like Lyons and Steiner are on board for Pierre anymore.
2007-08-09 11:12:01
144.   underdog
Stop making diving catches, Reds! We need help.
2007-08-09 11:12:05
145.   natepurcell

why is that good if its the one you don't want?

2007-08-09 11:14:11
146.   underdog
Martinez and Saenz = past their expiration dates.
2007-08-09 11:14:40
147.   capdodger
Did a snatch a ball away from a Reds player going into stands?
2007-08-09 11:15:13
148.   ucladodger

Kemp looks like absolutely dog doodoo at the plate today. Out in front, weak swings. Yuck.

2007-08-09 11:15:36
149.   Terry A
Early bets are that the Cards will DL Scott Spiezio, who's been sick for several days now with an "unspecified condition" that's made him very nauseated.
2007-08-09 11:16:02
150.   capdodger
Did a fan statch a ball away from a Reds player going into the stands?

That sentence makes so much more sense with it's proper subject.

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2007-08-09 11:16:29
151.   Curtis Lowe
What time does the minotaur appear today?
2007-08-09 11:17:44
152.   underdog
151 4pm PST. It's on radio online, too.
2007-08-09 11:18:24
153.   ryu
128 Hmm, OK. I see yours and Jon's point.
2007-08-09 11:18:45
154.   Gen3Blue
147 took it right out of the glove.
2007-08-09 11:18:48
155.   underdog
150 Yeah a Dodger fan caught it over Griffey's glove. He didn't really reach over much but still got in Griffey's way. More power to him, we need all the help we can get.
2007-08-09 11:19:16
156.   D4P

"We need more on-base percentage at the top," Little said. "It's a pure numbers thing there. To get people to score runs, you have to get people on. We need a little more on-base percentage from this man [Pierre]. Look at [Cincinnati's] lineup. They have a first baseman, Scott Hatteberg, leading off. You wonder what's the reason? Just look at the stat sheet. He has a .400 on-base percentage or better."

Sounds kinda like That Oakland Thing, especially with Hatteberg.

2007-08-09 11:20:11
157.   underdog
So who pinch hits in the 7th? Nomar?
2007-08-09 11:22:36
158.   bhsportsguy
146 If we are depending on those two to win a lot of games, we are in trouble.

Today is the 11th consecutive game where the opposing starter has thrown a Quality Start against the Dodgers. The Dodger starters have now 5 Quality Starts in that same period of time.

2007-08-09 11:22:48
159.   Gen3Blue
156 It sounds like learning going on. Beter late.......
2007-08-09 11:23:37
160.   Greg Brock
156 Was this memo passed out yesterday? So weird to see a quote like that now, in August.
2007-08-09 11:24:36
161.   bhsportsguy
160 We need to connect re Monday night.
2007-08-09 11:24:50
162.   ryu
128,153 But wait, then what's the point of moving Pierre down?

Furcal + Martin + Saenz = 1.008 OBP
Furcal + Pierre + Martin = 1.025 OBP

2007-08-09 11:25:26
163.   Zak
156 As long as he is consistent with applying this new found knowledge. I don't want to see the Dodgers win a few games and all this is forgotten. This mentality will hopefully be considered when making free agent signings too.

Like Jon said, Pierre's performance is not a surprise to most people here. This is what we expected and, in an ideal world, would want Dodgers management to consider before signing someone to a LT deal.

2007-08-09 11:25:33
164.   D4P
Once again, Tomko pitches well in the innings where he doesn't give up runs.
2007-08-09 11:25:58
165.   Jonny6
In order to alleviate the utter frustration of following this team right now, I find myself trying to embrace the magnitude of our current awfulness (our sheer suckitude if you will). Today's tidbit that jumped out at me was that both Saenz and Martinez are batting in the hundreds, now that's some impressive futility.

So my Timmermann challenge for the day is:
When was the last time the Dodgers started two non-pitchers batting under .200 this late in the season? I don't know the answer, I'm just curious.

2007-08-09 11:27:13
166.   Daniel Zappala
If it turns out that Pierre was the hard learning experience for Colletti, and he now pays more attention to OBP and other statistical input, was Pierre worth it?
2007-08-09 11:27:23
167.   Bob Timmermann
I assume you would want late season games with September callups excluded?
2007-08-09 11:28:00
168.   regfairfield
162 Because Olmedo is traditionally a more valuable player and his predicted on base percentage based on his batted balls(.344) bares this out. He's just in an unlucky streak right now.
2007-08-09 11:28:41
169.   gpellamjr
The Golden God is back!
2007-08-09 11:28:56
170.   underdog
Oh man, I wish Nomar had temporary cheetah-speed to score on that one.
2007-08-09 11:28:59
171.   Bob Timmermann
Guardado has the Dodgers just where he wants them.

It's a cunning plan.

2007-08-09 11:29:01
172.   gpellamjr
166 Absolutely.
2007-08-09 11:29:09
173.   Sam DC
Somethin's happening here.
2007-08-09 11:29:24
174.   Disabled List
166 Yes Yes Yes
2007-08-09 11:29:35
175.   dzzrtRatt

Maybe they can win this.

2007-08-09 11:29:52
176.   weatherman
2007-08-09 11:29:53
177.   underdog
Hah! 3 Sac flies! I love it.
2007-08-09 11:29:59
178.   Daniel Zappala
Figures. Another sac fly.
2007-08-09 11:30:12
179.   Bob Timmermann
3 flies up!
2007-08-09 11:30:24
180.   bhsportsguy
Unfortunately we cannot get another SF this inning.
2007-08-09 11:30:34
181.   D4P
BTW: Anyone know why Adam Dunn didn't play today?
2007-08-09 11:30:45
182.   underdog
What was the Dodger record for sac flies again, Bob?
2007-08-09 11:31:12
183.   kngoworld
Are we calling this a solid outing by Tomko today?
2007-08-09 11:31:24
184.   Jonny6
Yea, I guess we've got to exclude the callups. How does 75 AB minimum sound?. I would go for 100 AB minimum, but that would actually exclude both Saenz and Martinez (although just barely).
2007-08-09 11:31:24
185.   Curtis Lowe
YAY a comeback.
2007-08-09 11:31:32
186.   bhsportsguy
So what's the win expectancy now?
2007-08-09 11:32:31
188.   Disabled List
I guess a hit with RISP is too much to ask for.

We'll take our RBI sac flies, and we'll like it.

2007-08-09 11:32:32
189.   Bob Timmermann
The LA record is 4:

The Brooklyn record is probably the same.

2007-08-09 11:33:06
190.   weatherman
what just happened there?
2007-08-09 11:33:26
191.   D4P
All these sac flies make me think the team is being too unselfish for their own good.
2007-08-09 11:33:38
192.   MC Safety
181- I noticed that too. You think they are gonna waive him?
2007-08-09 11:33:48
193.   kngoworld


2007-08-09 11:33:53
194.   Jon Weisman
162 - Don't forget that a lefty is pitching. Having more confidence in Saenz than Pierre against a lefty is reasonable.

I still think you're overthinking, though.

2007-08-09 11:33:59
195.   dzzrtRatt
187 The Grady Little quote from up the thread suggests not, unless Pierre starts walking a lot more.
2007-08-09 11:34:09
196.   bhsportsguy
183 Dodger starters gave up 8 runs in 17 innings in this series, not great but not horrible. The pen has been perfect for 5, they need to be perfect for the rest of this game.
2007-08-09 11:34:11
197.   Greg Brock
166 If he gets dealt and we pay a solid chunk of salary, then yes. But not if he's going to keep playing.
2007-08-09 11:34:15
198.   weatherman
never mind
2007-08-09 11:35:39
199.   Bob Timmermann
Seanez in the Saenz spot in the order to confuse people keeping score.
2007-08-09 11:37:35
200.   Bob Timmermann
The last time the Dodgers had three SFs in a game was August 19 of last year.

They scored a lot in that game.

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2007-08-09 11:37:53
201.   Curtis Lowe
This would be a perfect time to bring in Meloan.
2007-08-09 11:37:56
202.   Jon Weisman
196 - I'm thinking 14 innings, how about you?
2007-08-09 11:38:40
203.   MC Safety
Old friend Marlon Anderson left the game today in the 4th inning with an apparent wrist injury. Thats too bad.
2007-08-09 11:39:47
204.   Bob Timmermann
The Red Sox are the last team to score 3 runs in a game and have them all come on sac flies.

They won 3-2!

But the 1980 Expos had four runs score all on sac flies.
And they lost 8-4.

2007-08-09 11:39:51
205.   blue22
Was that a weird double switch? Why didn't Nomar just go to first so he could stay in the game?
2007-08-09 11:40:42
206.   gpellamjr
205 Because James Loney is a better player?
2007-08-09 11:42:53
207.   ryu
199 It's bound to happen! How about the Dodgers invest in a couple extra threads and put a tilde on Seañez's uniform?
2007-08-09 11:43:15
208.   blue22
206 - Then why didn't Loney pinch-hit, rather than Nomar?
2007-08-09 11:43:16
209.   Kevin Lewis
I am sad that we have left twice as many people on base as the Reds, but at least we scored.
2007-08-09 11:44:23
210.   Bob Timmermann
The Dodgers have left 1.75 times as many runners on base than the Reds in this game.
2007-08-09 11:44:26
211.   gpellamjr
208 Hmm... I wasn't in the room when it happened. Wasn't the pitcher left handed?
2007-08-09 11:45:11
212.   Bob Timmermann
Guardado is a lefty.
2007-08-09 11:45:15
213.   Kevin Lewis
Yep, these two base runners brought down the number.

Paging Mr. Beimel?

2007-08-09 11:46:10
214.   Bob Timmermann
You're looking at the individual numbers instead of the team numbers.
2007-08-09 11:47:23
215.   jasonungar07
gosh this is rough. forget the blame, forget reasoning, forget tommorrow. we just got to win this game.
2007-08-09 11:47:31
216.   blue22
211 - Just seems that they could've put Nomar at first, and kept him in the game. Maybe I'm overthinking it.
2007-08-09 11:49:12
217.   Greg Brock
Beimel finally gets caught.
2007-08-09 11:49:27
218.   dzzrtRatt
Keystone Kops time.
2007-08-09 11:49:34
219.   joekings
oh you've got to be kidding me....a balk!
2007-08-09 11:49:38
220.   Kevin Lewis
214) I looked at the total column in the box score before these runners got on. It was 14 to 7 am I missing something?
2007-08-09 11:49:44
221.   Telemachos
You've got to be kidding.
2007-08-09 11:49:45
222.   BlueCrew Bruin
2007-08-09 11:49:45
223.   Jon Weisman
Well, that's new.
2007-08-09 11:50:07
224.   underdog
Oh man... that's... {rule 1 violation}
2007-08-09 11:50:11
225.   Kevin Lewis
I was wondering when that would happen to Beimel
2007-08-09 11:50:14
226.   Sam DC
What it is ain't exactly clear.
2007-08-09 11:50:26
227.   Curtis Lowe
Why I oughta!
2007-08-09 11:50:33
228.   Jon Weisman
220 - You want to look at Team LOB below the box score. Individual LOB added together will have duplicate LOB.
2007-08-09 11:50:33
229.   blue22
217 - Not watching on TV, but as soon as I saw the balk on GameDay, I immediately thought that. He balks on virtually every throw over, IMO, and he finally gets nailed at one of the worst possible times.
2007-08-09 11:50:46
231.   Kevin Lewis
Oh, the K makes it painful
2007-08-09 11:50:51
232.   Bob Timmermann
That's the total of runners left on base by each batter when his at bat is over. It's different from the numbers runners left on base at the end of the inning.
2007-08-09 11:51:12
233.   regfairfield
To be fair, it seems like Beimel balks every time he makes a pickoff attempt, so this was sort of coming to him.
2007-08-09 11:51:16
234.   Disabled List
We are finding new and creative ways to lose ball games. This is quite a stretch we're going through here.
2007-08-09 11:51:18
235.   underdog
In the "Just a bit too late" category... strikes out Griffey.
2007-08-09 11:51:21
236.   Icaros
Losing this game on a balk call will add to the comedic tragedy of this past week.
2007-08-09 11:51:32
237.   joekings
and of course he gets griffey
2007-08-09 11:51:40
238.   Kevin Lewis

Ah ha, now I see

2007-08-09 11:51:45
239.   Bob Timmermann
Individual LOB are supposed to indicate which guys can't hit with runners on base.

Team LOB make the box score add up.

2007-08-09 11:52:25
240.   Kevin Lewis
232) Bob, thanks for the clarification
2007-08-09 11:53:09
241.   bhsportsguy
Sounds like Loney misplayed the play anyway, though unless you get the runner right away, you've got to throw home because that guy is going to try and score.
2007-08-09 11:53:39
242.   Zach the Ripper
My stomach hurts. It could just be that I'm hungry but I have lost all will to eat.
2007-08-09 11:53:40
243.   Gen3Blue
I have chosen not to be a balk expert, but that seems to be a horrible time to call one if it was questionable. Did anyone see what it was exactly?
2007-08-09 11:54:26
244.   SFRefugee
The Dodgers need a win badly. Its the 7th inning and the game is tied so let's put in our fourth best reliever. Nice...
2007-08-09 11:54:29
245.   Disabled List
Kemp looks like he's been taking batting lessons from Pierre.
2007-08-09 11:54:44
246.   underdog
"Patience is a virtue" should be embroidered and tacked up throughout the Dodgers locker room.
2007-08-09 11:54:45
247.   BlueCrew Bruin
This would be a nice time for Young's first career homer.
2007-08-09 11:54:59
248.   Xeifrank
26% win expectancy.
vr, Xei
2007-08-09 11:55:57
249.   BlueCrew Bruin
247 But even a double will do...
2007-08-09 11:55:57
250.   underdog
Well, Young is red hot today. Starting him seems like a smart move. At least someone's doing something.
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2007-08-09 11:55:59
251.   MMSMikey
nice at bat there matty, good approach.
2007-08-09 11:56:10
252.   fan 4 40 plus
doesn't just figure that the guy in front of Juan is 4 for 4...
2007-08-09 11:56:19
253.   Jon Weisman
New post top. Migrate, people. Rally cap time.
2007-08-09 11:56:22
254.   Linkmeister
This Young kid is 4 for 4? I'm grasping for something good to say here, can you tell?
2007-08-09 11:56:30
255.   underdog
But of course, in true Dodgers fashion, he hurts himself.
2007-08-09 11:56:43
256.   bhsportsguy
Delwyn Young may get another start after today. He also may have secured a spot on next year's 25-man roster.
2007-08-09 11:58:23
258.   Johnson
Young is 4-4 in his first career game in which he has had 4 ABs. This is a job for Bob.
2007-08-09 11:59:18
259.   MMSMikey
another out for slappy mcsuck
2007-08-09 11:59:52
260.   Gen3Blue
That could be it for Young for a while. We got no luck at all.
A real rally killer. If you have most of your teams hits, they can't be bunched to do some good.
2007-08-09 12:00:31
261.   blue22
Auggh! Did we just waste another pinch-hitter candidate by pinch-running Ethier for Delwyn???

This is the National League. We need pinch-hitters here.

2007-08-09 12:02:00
263.   fan 4 40 plus
you picked a fine time to .... lucille
2007-08-09 12:02:34
264.   blue22
Ramon of all people, and with 2 outs. Good sign.
2007-08-09 12:04:29
265.   fanerman
259 Nice nickname.
2007-08-09 12:16:53
266.   Summer Saint
Could someone remind me of how Ramon Martinez gained the nickname "Lucille"?
2007-08-09 13:02:25
267.   Ken Arneson
204 No longer relevant!

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