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Houlton Heads Down
2007-08-10 14:34
by Jon Weisman

D.J. Houlton is headed for Las Vegas, and the Dodgers go back to 11 pitchers for the time being while making room for Mark Sweeney.

Pitch counts by the bullpen this week (Tuesday-Wednesday-Thursday):

Rudy Seanez 25-0-14
Scott Proctor 0-17-24
Jonathan Broxton 0-10-15
Joe Beimel 0-0-6
Takashi Saito 0-0-10
Roberto Hernandez 0-0-0

* * *

Tonight's 5:10 p.m. game:


Retro Gameday

Update: James Loney got a vote of confidence from Grady Little today, according to Diamond Leung of the Press-Enterprise:

James Loney is hitting third and can be expected to do so for the remainder of the series.

"He has a chance to be a run producer," Manager Grady Little said. "One day you'll see him in the middle of the lineups regularly, and that day might be now."

"We'll give him a shot up there. If that doesn't look like a comfortable spot for him, we'll change it."

Comments (402)
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2007-08-10 14:42:22
1.   weatherman
totally LAT'd

I love the Dodgers. To continue the covers discussion I wrote:

376. weatherman
363 - Most of those cannot be considered true "covers" though since they are either country tunes or pre-Beatles rock songs. Obviously, there are exceptions, but in Country Music as well as early Pop Music, songs were written by songwriters and performed by singers. The singer/songwriter was not the norm until very recently. Even today, a lot of artists (Sheryl Crow, John Mayer, the Dixie Chicks, etc.) by full rights to songs or even to individual lines and claim them as their own.

Here's my point:

Cash - Hurt

Definitely a cover. NIN wrote and recorded and then he recorded a different version.

Cash - Sunday Morning Coming Down

Not a cover. Kris wrote it for Cash to sing and delivered it via helicopter to him personally. It's a Cash song, he just didn't write it.

2007-08-10 14:48:48
2.   Terry A
To tie the last thread to this one: Did Houlton hear The Who?
2007-08-10 14:48:56
3.   Bluebleeder87
Looks like Rudy Seanez & Proctor have been the work horses this week, I'm glad Saito seen limited action of late considering his resent back issues.
2007-08-10 14:50:46
4.   weatherman
2 - I believe it was "Squeezebox"
2007-08-10 14:51:10
5.   Humma Kavula
We are totally going to be seeing Roberto Hernandez tonight.
2007-08-10 14:51:40
6.   Telemachos
So today I'm betting we see Hernandez and Beimel in a tie game or if the Dodgers are behind.

Hopefully, of course, all we need are Broxton and Saito.

2007-08-10 14:52:35
7.   Bluebleeder87
from last thread - 379. Bluebleeder87
You know what, that TALK TALK song was a can't miss with girls in parties (to get them screaming) songs to note also:

Tones on Tail - GO!
The Cult - She sells Sactuary
AH-HA (SP) - Take On Me
OMD - Electricity

ps I know those songs are older 80's maybe 70's? but they still rock even now.

2007-08-10 14:52:53
8.   Marty
I've been LAT'd!

But to respond to Weatherman about Kristofferson and Cash:

The way I heard it, Kristofferson landed his helicopter on Cash's yard and gave him tapes of a lot of his songs, not just Sunday Morning. Also, I think Ray Stevens recorded the first version of Sunday Morning Coming Down.

2007-08-10 14:54:01
9.   Eric Enders
1 Good point. The criteria I was using for a song to be a "cover" is that it had to have actually been recorded by the songwriter. However, in one case (You Make Me Feel Like a Natural Woman) the original writer's recording wasn't made until after the cover version -- would that make the songwriter's version technically a cover? Another song that I mentioned, "Because the Night," Springsteen recorded before Patti Smith did, but never released it and even today it's available only on bootlegs.
2007-08-10 14:56:52
10.   Jon Weisman
9 - Bruce's "Because the Night" is on the Live 1975-1985 album, isn't it?
2007-08-10 14:59:11
11.   Eric Enders
Kristofferson is really quite the American renaissance man. In addition to writing some of the best songs of all time, he's been a Rhodes scholar, a fighter pilot, and has turned in some really outstanding acting performances, particularly in John Sayles' films.
2007-08-10 14:59:42
12.   Humma Kavula
I've got to say -- You Make Me Feel Like a Natural Woman is one of my favorite songs. I find it beautiful and sexy.

The line -- "When my soul was in the lost and found, you came along to claim it" -- does it for me.

2007-08-10 15:02:31
13.   weatherman
8 - I haven't heard that story. I'd like to look into it. In Cash by Johnny Cash, he says Kris gave it to him specifically.

I am a really big fan of Cash, I was actually married in Hendersonville, TN and had my groomsmen pictures taken at the House of Cash (closed to the public).

9 - It is getting harder and harder to make the distinctions (which may be moot), since few songwriters actually "write" songs anymore, and shop only recorded versions. No one seems to be able to read music anyway.

2007-08-10 15:03:03
14.   Eric Enders
10 Hmm... perhaps it is. I've always hated that album and haven't listened to it in years. Basically, they took a lot of great concert performances and then edited out of all of Bruce's comments as well as some lengthy instrumental sections. I much prefer to listen to the original (albeit quasilegal) concert recordings.

Anyway, yeah, there are a lot of live Bruce versions of "Because the Night" floating around out there. But the studio version, which he recorded in 1977 for potential inclusion on "Darkness on the Edge of Town" has never been released.

2007-08-10 15:03:36
15.   PHilldodger
For those of you on the West Coast, here in Missouri it is oppressively hot, by far the hottest it's been all summer. Tomorrow will be specially unpleasant with the 3 p.m. local start for the game. Not an excuse, per se, but Dodgers came to STL last year right after the All-Star Break with similar weather and stunk for four games.
I thought the Dodgers looked similarly lethargic against Cincinatti this week. There is no way that Martin should catch both day games this weekend.
2007-08-10 15:04:21
16.   Hallux Valgus
okay, here's a question- "Playing with the Queen of Hearts." One of my favorite songs ever, for sentimental reasons- who do you equate it with, Juice Newton (the populist), Rodney Crowell (the writer and original singer), or no one (the reaction I normally get).
2007-08-10 15:06:37
17.   Sushirabbit
ToyCannon I don't know how much you're interested in such stuff, but I highly recommend "Eugene Bullard: Black Expatriate in Jazz-Age Paris". I find his story absolutely astounding and the whole french culture part really enlightening. I almost posted about this over in Cardboard Gods, because part of Bullard's personality (or what we can guess at historically) reminds me of Jackie, Buck, and Henry.
2007-08-10 15:08:25
18.   Eric Enders
All this music talk, plus the mention a few posts above of Johnny Cash's autobiography "Cash" by Johnny Cash, means I will probably end up watching "High Fidelity" again after the game is over.
2007-08-10 15:09:12
19.   Chiron Brown
Dwight Yoakum is one of my favorite songwriters. He has also recorded some great covers including a twangy country version of the Clash's "Train in Vain" and a big band cover of the Kink's "Tired of Waiting". The Clash's "Police on my Back" is a cover of an old reggae tune. And, laugh if you will, Dolly Parton does a hauntingly beautiful cover of "Stairway to Heaven".
2007-08-10 15:09:23
20.   Lexinthedena
Is there anyone in the Cardinal lineup outside of Albert who can do any damage?

Should Albert see anyhting to hit?

2007-08-10 15:09:52
21.   Humma Kavula
I think I posted this here a few weeks back, but it's germane to post again....

George Michael's "Faith," covered by The Boy Least Likely To:

2007-08-10 15:10:04
22.   Eric Enders
16 Wow, I haven't thought about that song in years. Juice Newton is the version I remember hearing on the radio as a kid.
2007-08-10 15:10:11
23.   Lexinthedena
19- Dwight Yoakum's garage band scene in Slingblade was classic....
2007-08-10 15:12:18
24.   Icaros

His whole performance in Sling Blade is amazing.

2007-08-10 15:13:34
25.   Joshua Worley

Chris Duncan, if he plays, is also good. All the other hitters are pretty iffy. But Duncan has only started about half of the Cards recent games for some reason. I'm not sure if he's nursing an injury or a manager grudge or what.

Hendrickson should walk Pujols. Pujols has two homers and two doubles off Hendrickson in 7 at bats. That may be small sample size, but it's also a clear warning.

2007-08-10 15:14:18
26.   trainwreck
According to Ken Rosenthal the Padres put a claim on Igawa and are working on a trade with the Yankees.
2007-08-10 15:15:24
27.   Humma Kavula
26 They are welcome to him.
2007-08-10 15:16:05
28.   ryu
Per ItD,

Furcal, SS
Martin, C
Loney, 1B
Kent, 2B
Gonzo, LF
Nomar, 3B
Pierre, CF
Ethier, RF
Penny, P

2007-08-10 15:16:24
29.   Icaros

Gotta be tough to have a manager grudge when your dad is the manager's long-time pitching coach.

2007-08-10 15:16:27
30.   Eric Enders
Yoakam was also excellent in "The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada," a film which also featured arguably the best musician-as-actor performance of all time (by Levon Helm).
2007-08-10 15:16:29
31.   Hallux Valgus
22 I'm glad. I was without a father at that age, and my uncle and I used to skate along the Venice Beach boardwalk to the Juice Newton version. Later, my step-father (whom I didn't get along with at all) owned the Rodney Crowell version. It killed me on the inside.

It's still a great pop song.

2007-08-10 15:16:35
32.   Joshua Worley
26 --

What was the Yank's posting fee on Igawa?

2007-08-10 15:18:06
33.   Joshua Worley
29 --

Yeah, but this is Tony LaRussa. I wouldn't put anything past him.

It's probably just a crowded outfield, with Ankiel making it even more crowded now. But Duncan should be playing every day if he's healthy.

2007-08-10 15:18:12
34.   Icaros
I guess beggars can't be choosers, but what sense does it make to bat Pierre ahead of Ethier?

In the 8th slot, he'd be forced to take some walks.

2007-08-10 15:18:20
35.   Bluebleeder87
I'm still kind of P.O'ed that R. Hernandez has been DFA.
2007-08-10 15:18:38
36.   TheDictator
Since we are playing the Cardinals tonight, I am sure we have discussed the comeback of Rick Ankiel. Can someone tell me where to find it?
2007-08-10 15:20:31
37.   Icaros

I thought Helm stole the show in The Last Waltz as well, but that was a part he knew very well.

2007-08-10 15:20:38
38.   Jon Weisman
Juice Newton makes me think of "Angel of the Morning." She also makes me think of orange juice.
2007-08-10 15:21:57
39.   Joshua Worley
Juice Newton is what you get when you stick Fig Newtons in a blender.

I remember the Juice version of that song, by the way. It's stuck in my head now.

2007-08-10 15:22:01
40.   Icaros

Not Fig Newtons?

2007-08-10 15:22:31
41.   Icaros


2007-08-10 15:22:58
42.   Jim Hitchcock
13 Wow, that's weird. I just sold some parts to a guy in Hendersonville, Tn. today.
2007-08-10 15:23:22
43.   regfairfield
32 26 million. Igawa makes four million every year until 2010.

It's really not a bad risk to take.

2007-08-10 15:23:55
44.   Eric Enders
Juice Newton is the answer to the question, "what are the two best things that can be made out of fruit?"
2007-08-10 15:24:00
45.   Bluebleeder87

That should be "Hasn't" sorry peepz.

2007-08-10 15:24:52
46.   Eric Enders
13 , 42 Didn't the famed Cash house burn to the ground just a couple of weeks ago?
2007-08-10 15:25:37
47.   Jim Hitchcock
30 Levon Helm!

Eric, you might want to see if you can dig up a copy of the obscure but great "The Legend Of Jesse James". Levon was great on it, as well as Charlie Daniels, Emmylou Harris, and others.

2007-08-10 15:28:49
48.   TheDictator
So, what is the deal with Ankiel as a hitter? What do the scouts and/or stats project about this guy?

Somebody please give me the lowdown on Ankiel!!!

"Just a bit outside" - Harry Doyle

2007-08-10 15:29:53
49.   Lexinthedena
I like the lineup, but Grady has shown that he's an old-school vet's first kind of guy...and it as hurt the team...Dre should not be in the 8 hole.....but then again, it's nice to see Loney back in the third spot....
2007-08-10 15:30:11
50.   Jon Weisman
Wilson Betemit gets the start at first base for the Yankees.
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2007-08-10 15:30:54
51.   Humma Kavula
43 It depends what the Padres have to give up, I guess.
2007-08-10 15:31:30
52.   Jim Hitchcock
46 Yep, on April 11th.
2007-08-10 15:31:42
53.   dagwich
Geez as a group you guys really know your music. Someone late in the last thread asked about preferring Newman's "Mama Told Me Not to Come" or 3 Dog Night's. In my cleanest dirty shirt I prefer Randy's -- in a landslide.

Some of my favorite Dylan covers are contained on Tim O'Brien's "Red on Blonde."

Los Lobos "La Bamba" is on all my dance mixes. Their version of the Dead's "Bertha" on Dedicated is great as well.

2007-08-10 15:32:13
54.   Joshua Worley
51 --

At least they won't have to give up 26 million to get him.

2007-08-10 15:33:13
55.   das411
ABC News's Person of the Week is a certain DT favorite...

2007-08-10 15:33:35
56.   Bluebleeder87
there's some people over at ItD that think Olmedo Saenz should be DFA but I still think he has some value, I understand there logic but I feel he still has something to offer.
2007-08-10 15:34:20
57.   Marty
42 Hopefully not body parts!
2007-08-10 15:35:34
58.   Humma Kavula
53 Me too, of course. I guess just by asking the question you know where my sympathies lie.

That said, if someone were to say that they preferred a song with a hook, I would see their point.

2007-08-10 15:35:51
59.   Jim Hitchcock
57 Shhh!
2007-08-10 15:41:16
60.   Jon Weisman
55 - I feel so proud.
2007-08-10 15:46:50
61.   Xeifrank
DodgerSims is giving the Dodgers a pre-game win probability of 52.10% and the Las Vegas Hilton Sports book a 53.49% wp.
vr, Xei
2007-08-10 15:52:48
62.   fiddlestick
Chris Duncan for sure never plays against lefties, and LaRussa hunches him sometimes against righties.

Don't own him in your fantasy league.

2007-08-10 15:52:52
63.   bryanf
55 Good old Winnie Cooper. Former Wonder Years cast in the news these days. It's Fred Savage's directorial film debut with the certain to please those under 8 Daddy Day Camp!

I love Kevin and, I mean Fred and Danica.

2007-08-10 15:54:15
64.   bryanf
55 ,63 Perhaps a discussion from Screen Jam, but where does Wonder Years rank on everyone's list of favorite TV shows? It's basically #1 for me though Seinfeld and Arrested Development are near the top. Nostalgia anyone?
2007-08-10 15:57:48
65.   Jon Weisman
64 - Yeah, that's for Screen Jam.

Frankly, the music chat could go there too, though I haven't been rigorous in enforcing it.

2007-08-10 16:00:46
66.   bryanf
64 So moved...thanks.
2007-08-10 16:01:34
67.   bearlurker
I thought Limbo was a fantastic film.
2007-08-10 16:05:06
68.   D4P
Limbo has a great ending.
2007-08-10 16:06:02
69.   ryu
SP Wainwright bats 8th in the Cards order. Adam Kennedy is 9th.
2007-08-10 16:06:15
70.   bearlurker
62 I do own him in my fantasy league and I am very annoyed. His numbers are out of sight against RH, yet as Jon notes above, LaRussa sits him for some reason. I don't think LaRussa likes his D.
2007-08-10 16:08:01
71.   bryanf
70 I had Duncan on my fantasy team to start the season but dropped him before too long. I'm considering picking up Ankiel about now though.
2007-08-10 16:11:23
72.   Jon Weisman
Update up top with Grady Little's latest quotes re: Loney.
2007-08-10 16:13:15
73.   D4P
Will Loney be given as much time in the #3 spot to see if he's comfortable as Pierre was given in the #1-2 spots...?
2007-08-10 16:15:35
74.   bryanf
Wow, so does that mean that Martin will be #2 more regularly?
2007-08-10 16:19:09
75.   MMSMikey
kenny lofton

.370 OBP

2007-08-10 16:20:08
76.   Eric Enders
So LaRussa has two pitchers in his lineup and neither one is batting 9th. I'll remember that the next time I feel the need to complain about one of Grady's lineups.
2007-08-10 16:21:02
77.   old dodger fan
55 Thanks for sharing that. I have an 8th grade daughter who is good at math. It will be an encouragement to her. She is a Dodger fan too!!
2007-08-10 16:21:42
78.   Kevin Lewis

That is painful to see

2007-08-10 16:22:20
79.   regfairfield
76 To be fair to LaRussa, the lineup generator at Baseball Analysts suggests that you should hit your worst player eighth, for reasons that I don't particularly understand.
2007-08-10 16:24:05
80.   Linkmeister
I have more Dylan albums than I do any other artist, although the Beatles and Ronstadt are catching up, but I gotta say that the Hollies (with Graham Nash) did a magnificent album called "Hollies Sing Dylan." All Dylan covers.

The best track might be "I Shall Be Released," if only because the harmonies are spectacular.

2007-08-10 16:26:06
81.   regfairfield
78 Keep in mind that it's a better hitting environment, but yeah, it's still pretty bad since Pierre doesn't even have much of an advantage defensively.
2007-08-10 16:29:03
82.   danB
79) I think you bat your worst player 8th since that batting slot is the least likely to lead off an inning. This is because your are most likely going to send 4 batters to the plate per inning--so that would make your 8th batter ending the second inning more often than other lineup spots.
2007-08-10 16:29:42
83.   Kevin Lewis

I understand the different environment. Was there any word on why we didn't resign Lofton for another year? Did he not want to be in LA? Was it the poor post-season? It just seemed like an easier, less expensive, and better short term solution.

2007-08-10 16:30:59
84.   Andrew Shimmin
Too bad the folks couldn't get a screen cap from a frame where Ms. McKellar didn't have her mouth open. Unless she's a political undesirable, and therefore deserved it.
2007-08-10 16:34:57
85.   Jon Weisman
Tony Jackson: "This is just Loney's fourth start of the season in the three hole, but Grady says he will hit there at least through the weekend. "
2007-08-10 16:35:07
86.   regfairfield
81 I don't disagree. With the benefit of hindsight I can say that resigning Lofton was a good idea, but at the time, I would be very concerned about giving a 40 year old speed based player another contract.
2007-08-10 16:38:23
87.   Eric Enders
I don't think any hindsight was necessary to conclude that Lofton was a virtual certainly to be better than the guy we did end up signing.

As well as (roughly) $40 million cheaper.

2007-08-10 16:39:32
88.   Humma Kavula
80 I love the Hollies.
2007-08-10 16:39:39
89.   Jon Weisman
Let's not ruin a perfectly good Friday by discussing the merits of the Pierre contract ...
2007-08-10 16:39:54
90.   regfairfield
87 Agreed, but there's a good chance I wouldn't want either one.
2007-08-10 16:43:54
91.   ToyCannon
I think regfairfield thinks that Ankiel will have an 0/26 streak. His power is for real but he had a 316 OBP in AAA. He's a hacker who will strike out a lot and rarely take a walk.
2007-08-10 16:45:16
92.   Jon Weisman
I would not have predicted Betemit getting a sacrifice in his first at-bat. Yankees playing Little Ball.
2007-08-10 16:45:52
93.   Jon Weisman
Reds lead Padres, 2-0 in the second.
2007-08-10 16:46:21
94.   Kevin Lewis
Does anyone know why the Prime-HD channel does not have the game scheduled even though the schedule says it is in HD? I am getting jealous of the constant Angels footage in HD, while the Dodgers rarely get the nod.

89) Good point. Sorry to pull back on the band-aid a little bit.

2007-08-10 16:46:46
95.   Bob Timmermann
The Reds have taken an early 3-0 lead on the Padres. Wil Ledezma making his first start for the blue and sand.
2007-08-10 16:48:02
96.   Jon Weisman
Oops - 3-0.
2007-08-10 16:48:04
97.   ryu
Let's go Reds!
2007-08-10 16:48:50
98.   Jim Hitchcock
94 I got an LG HD flatscreen a cuople of weeks ago, and MLB EI last week. Switching between the games on ESPN HD and SD games is shocking.
2007-08-10 16:50:32
99.   Bob Timmermann
The Prime-HD channel schedules on digital cable systems are not to be relied upon.

There are far more Dodgers games in HD than Angels games.

2007-08-10 16:58:12
100.   Jon Weisman
B. Giles 2-R HR.
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2007-08-10 17:00:37
101.   Greg Brock
The Hollies covering Dylan is an album I absolutely have to get.
2007-08-10 17:03:04
102.   fan 4 40 plus
jr go boom
2007-08-10 17:04:03
103.   Jimi Shelter
9. Good point. The criteria I was using for a song to be a "cover" is that it had to have actually been recorded by the songwriter. However, in one case (You Make Me Feel Like a Natural Woman) the original writer's recording wasn't made until after the cover version --
I do believe that originally (pre Beatles/Dylan) the term "cover" referred to an artist doing a song that someone else had already recorded. Think Pat Boone doing a Little Richard song. Now a days, it seems to mean anyone doing a song they didn't write, even if the song was written specifically for them. But, if "cover" is a pejorative, I have a hard time thinking of Aretha's "Dark End of the Street" as a cover. :-) (Or "Natural Woman).

Go Dodgers- let's get a streak going!

2007-08-10 17:06:01
104.   Jon Weisman
102 - That's Griffey, not Ewing :)
2007-08-10 17:06:49
105.   Linkmeister
101 You wouldn't regret buying that one, believe me. I've darn near worn it out, and as I said, I like Dylan's albums.
2007-08-10 17:09:49
106.   Jon Weisman
"Octavio Dotel was placed on the 15-day disabled list with a right shoulder strain by the Atlanta Braves on Friday."
2007-08-10 17:10:32
107.   Linkmeister
Oh, Greg, that's the import version. The American version was called "Words and Music by Bob Dylan;" I have the LP, and Amazon seems to have it listed only as vinyl.
2007-08-10 17:10:47
108.   Lexinthedena
106- Not suprising in the least....imagine the collective groan that would've eminated from DT....
2007-08-10 17:11:09
109.   jasonungar07
agree 101 and thank you linkmaster I will go out and grab it.
2007-08-10 17:12:51
110.   fan 4 40 plus
LMU alum Jack Cassel now making his debut in Zinzinnati
2007-08-10 17:13:02
111.   overkill94
Dang, Russell gave that one a good ride. Probably would have gone out in the Great American Small Park.
2007-08-10 17:15:02
112.   Some Guy in San Diego
Random, slightly obscure covers I love.
"Sexual Healing"-Soul Asylum
"Easy"- Faith No More
"The Girl U Want"- Soundgarden
"Top of the World" Shonen Knife
2007-08-10 17:18:06
113.   Bob Timmermann
D4P and Greg Brock are now very, very, very angry.
2007-08-10 17:18:20
114.   Lexinthedena
Speaking of covers...

Has anyone seen the Roots live?...they do great hip-hop cover montage things....the highlight of thier shows....

2007-08-10 17:18:44
115.   Gen3Blue
Evening. Now I'll vanish for a while as my security software steals lord knows how many cycles to scrutinize endless files for Scrith knows what. As it does every friday night.
2007-08-10 17:20:11
117.   Bob Timmermann
But what about Chris Duncan?

If you're putting up a million bucks, we should get all the specifics out of the way.

2007-08-10 17:21:09
120.   bhsportsguy
Can I just get it out of the way, Eckstein just bugs me.
2007-08-10 17:21:32
121.   Lexinthedena
116- He definitley has the look...but so many of them do....
2007-08-10 17:21:38
122.   fanerman
55 My mom being a math teacher may find that book very interesting. Thanks.
2007-08-10 17:22:50
123.   Lexinthedena
120- The Craig Councell phenomenon....same reason rats are disliked....
2007-08-10 17:23:31
124.   bhsportsguy
Nothing like hearing a bunch of Cardinal fans groan when Edmonds hits into an inning ending DP.
2007-08-10 17:23:52
125.   Bob Timmermann
If anyone is 100% certain that EVERY Dodger is completely free of any PEDs, then I think it's time to start casting stones at the St. Louis Cardinals.

If you're looking to take the moral high ground in a baseball game, forget it. You'll have better luck with college football.

2007-08-10 17:28:51
128.   Bob Timmermann
I don't have enough knowledge to determine if someone is a steroid users by sight. I guess I wasn't gifted in that way.
2007-08-10 17:29:39
129.   MMSMikey
its getting painful to watch gonzo swing the bat
2007-08-10 17:31:18
131.   King of the Hobos
Both of the Duncan brothers have suspicious career paths (Chris didn't top .774 OPS in his first 5 seasons in the minors, then started hitting around .800 in AA and AAA, before .900+ in the majors, and Shelley just took forever to get to the majors, mostly because he'd OPS around .700-.800 at each level, despite being very old for each league). Even with that, I'm not sure I want to blame either of steroids.
2007-08-10 17:31:27
132.   Gen3Blue
Nomar! He's been a machine lately.
2007-08-10 17:31:30
133.   Some Guy in San Diego
I don't like the "let's guess which guy is cheating" game. But the numbers suggest someone in blue would be using some kind of PEDs. Steroids is just part of the spectrum of possibilities.
I guess I'm just saying I agree with the whole "don't try to stake the moral highground" idea on this subject.
2007-08-10 17:31:56
134.   Eric Enders
Speaking of the moral high ground in college football, when is Reggie Bush going to give his Heisman Trophy back to its rightful owner, Vince Young?
2007-08-10 17:32:53
135.   Neal Pollack
Sadly, I was hoping that someone would hit into a DP in that inning so I wouldn't have to watch Pierre bat with runners on base.

This team is so disheartening.

2007-08-10 17:33:18
136.   Some Guy in San Diego
Ummm... What?
2007-08-10 17:34:57
137.   Lexinthedena
You can generally tell who is juiced....But I never suspected Raffy Palmiero, then I found out he was using windstrol, which is what track stars use, and tends not to make you fact it makes you sweat a ton, thus getting a leaner look....
2007-08-10 17:35:41
138.   Humma Kavula
Rick Monday is the absolute worst.
2007-08-10 17:35:58
139.   Who Is Karim Garcia

i just got my copy of madden!

2007-08-10 17:36:18
140.   MMSMikey
palmiero had the mustache going for him too
2007-08-10 17:36:34
141.   Bob Timmermann
I'm heading off to the optometrist ASAP and getting outfitted with some special steroid detecting glasses.

I hate these ones I have now. They just correct for myopia.

2007-08-10 17:37:24
142.   Who Is Karim Garcia
question: this game goes into the 16th inning... does Rick Ankiel take the mound?
2007-08-10 17:38:03
143.   Bob Timmermann
Ankiel will not pitch in a game ever again. Even if the Cardinals had to forfeit.
2007-08-10 17:40:12
144.   Lexinthedena
I lived in Poland for half a year, and when you go the gym there, you see some serious roidage....
2007-08-10 17:42:07
145.   Bob Timmermann
5-4 Padres after a 3-run homer from Gonzalez.
2007-08-10 17:45:00
146.   MMSMikey
ok, im convinced nothing good can happen in this ballpark. theres something about it and nothing goes right for the dodgers.
2007-08-10 17:45:40
147.   Gen3Blue
How it goes.
2007-08-10 17:45:53
148.   Eric Enders
The Cardinals announcers are expressing bewilderment at the fact that the Dodgers aren't scoring runs despite the fact that everyone in the lineup has a high batting average.
2007-08-10 17:46:49
149.   Bob Timmermann
Is it Dan McGlaughlin and Al Hrabosky?

They're generally bewildered all of the time.

2007-08-10 17:47:05
150.   Humma Kavula
144 In six months traveling in Europe, the Poles were the nicest people we met. I mean the random people you talk to on the street: engaging, open, friendly. Mrs. Kavula and I both really liked Poland.
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2007-08-10 17:47:45
151.   Gen3Blue
Wainwright induces a double play by making Ethier hit an incredably hard line drive. As usual JP has an incredible lead.
2007-08-10 17:48:13
152.   Bob Timmermann
But did you ask them for any steroids?
2007-08-10 17:48:58
153.   natepurcell
wow, dodgers promoted 19yr old Kyle Smit from GCL to Low A Great Lakes. He is starting in the current game.
2007-08-10 17:49:10
154.   bhsportsguy
151 He was running on the play so I think he gets a break on that play.
2007-08-10 17:49:24
155.   Gen3Blue
Nice people need roids too.
2007-08-10 17:50:14
156.   Telemachos
148 Sublime.
2007-08-10 17:50:35
157.   Eric Enders
155 Didn't I see Luis Gonzalez wearing that t-shirt?
2007-08-10 17:50:51
158.   bhsportsguy
153 Maybe Watson is more agressive than Collins in terms of promotions.
2007-08-10 17:51:18
159.   Andrew Shimmin
I have Colletti pegged for a life-long 'roider. His growth was clearly stunted and it seems to have balded him. So sad.
2007-08-10 17:51:52
160.   dzzrtRatt
I was irritated this week when Rick Sutcliffe basically swept the entire Oakland A's organization from the 1980s into the category of steroid users and enablers. He has evidence on exactly one player: Canseco, who admitted it. How dare he cast aspersions on what must be hundreds of players who passed through Oakland back then? That's what I said to my wife while I was watching one of the Bonds games on ESPN.

So I'm totally intolerant of playing a PED guessing game about any player or team. The criteria for these guesses is so far from anything conclusive, it's outrageous. Guy looks big. Guy got better than he used to be. These are phenomena with many, many possible explanations.

Marrying sabermetrics with these long-distance guesses is a depraved misuse of statistics. I trust most true sabermetrics experts would spit on this practice. An increased OPS for a minor league player from one year to the next is evidence of exactly, precisely nothing.

2007-08-10 17:53:33
161.   natepurcell
Maybe Watson is more agressive than Collins in terms of promotions.

I remembered Bavasi was extremely aggressive with promotions (Miller, Jackson, Guzman were all challenged).

2007-08-10 17:55:33
162.   Humma Kavula
Maybe Watson is more agressive than Collins in terms of promotions.

At least they don't have to knock down any doors before the majors.

2007-08-10 17:57:10
163.   overkill94
We signed Shea Hillenbrand? Why?
2007-08-10 17:57:15
164.   MMSMikey
shea hillenbrand? oh jesus.
2007-08-10 17:57:33
165.   Humma Kavula
163 Oy.
2007-08-10 17:57:45
166.   Bob Timmermann
Oakland led Detroit 8-1 after 3 1/2 and now trail 9-8 in the 5th.
2007-08-10 17:58:13
167.   regfairfield
Didn't the Padres just sign him?
2007-08-10 17:58:29
168.   Bluebleeder87
Jon's latest update gives me reassurance on what they think of James Loney, hopefully he can reward them with some RBI or at least some hits. WHAT? Hillenbrand (sp) is now a Dodger according to Steiner & Lyons? he's heading to Vegas though.
2007-08-10 17:59:04
169.   natepurcell

I thought he signed with the padres?

2007-08-10 17:59:14
170.   nick
in the case of Hillenbrandt, I assume we all hope what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas....
2007-08-10 17:59:21
171.   Humma Kavula
It's just a minor league contract, right?

We'd better hope that what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.

2007-08-10 17:59:36
172.   Humma Kavula
D'oh! Seven seconds!
2007-08-10 18:00:03
173.   Jon Weisman
Must be because of Shea's makeup.
2007-08-10 18:00:44
174.   bhsportsguy
C'mon guys, its possible that some of the youngsters they would have like to promote in September like LaRoche and Abreu may still have injury issues, you can add Hillebrand for a month with little cost and no guarantee for next year.
2007-08-10 18:01:05
175.   Bob Timmermann
Meanwhile, Vin dusts off the "Shea Hillenbrand owns a lot of animals" folder and sees what he can add to it.



2007-08-10 18:01:07
176.   Bluebleeder87
I thought Hillenbrand was done? that's what I've heard anyways.
2007-08-10 18:01:09
177.   overkill94
Edmonds? When was that famous Edmonds-for-Bottenfield debacle?
2007-08-10 18:01:47
179.   Andrew Shimmin
In the future, every washed up first baseman will be a Dodger, for fifteen minutes.
2007-08-10 18:02:25
180.   dzzrtRatt
Shea Hillenbrand must feel like his career has become a toenail in a flushed toilet.
2007-08-10 18:02:25
181.   Humma Kavula
174 Sure, that's possible. Then don't promote anybody! Hillenbrand at-bats -- unless he goes like MarlonAndersonesque crazy -- are wasted at-bats.
2007-08-10 18:03:27
182.   Bluebleeder87
171 ,172

I saw that coming ;o)

2007-08-10 18:03:37
183.   regfairfield
174 It's depth, but one could argue that you could call up any player from AAA and he'd be better than Hillenbrand. It's not a bad deal because we desperately need depth. But I can imagine that he might get at bats just because he's Shea Hillenbrand.

How did this guy even get the reputation of being good? He's never had an OPS over 802 and he can't play defense.

2007-08-10 18:04:36
184.   Humma Kavula
182 I almost went with: What happens in Vegas? Shea's in Vegas.
2007-08-10 18:06:18
185.   Humma Kavula
His rep for being good comes from batting .293 with 18 home runs for the Red Sox in 2002.

Was he actually good? OPS+ of 109.

2007-08-10 18:06:18
186.   Jon Weisman
I'm going with 178 as a rule 1 violation.
2007-08-10 18:06:23
187.   nick
since I actually reside in Vegas, Dodger Thoughts could make it worth my while to--ahem--make sure Shea doesn't leave town....
2007-08-10 18:07:16
188.   Jon Weisman
No offense, Eric.
2007-08-10 18:07:23
189.   dzzrtRatt
Maybe Colleti's expecting a lot of extra-inning games in September.

It will be deeply annoying to read all the PR fluff about him.

Doesn't this continue the pattern of Colleti following a good move (Sweeney) with a bad one?

2007-08-10 18:07:35
190.   nick
184 I almost tipped my cap to you, sir :-)
2007-08-10 18:07:44
191.   bhsportsguy
183 I think its only depth, they brought up Young, I suppose someone like Barnes could be brought up but after Hu and maybe Valdez, if LaRoche and Abreu are unavailable, who else are you going to bring up?
2007-08-10 18:07:58
192.   Bob Timmermann
But it was like the New York Times. He used it as a quoted material!
2007-08-10 18:08:20
193.   Jon Weisman
I can see myself preferring to have Shea pinch-hit in the 12th inning of a game in September than Wilson Valdez or Ramon Martinez.
2007-08-10 18:08:26
194.   preacherroe
#11- Don't want to nitpick,but Kristofferson flew
helicopters not jets.
As a one time denizen of Venice Beach, the movie "Cisco Pike" with Kristofferson acting and writing the soundtrack nailed the Venice ambiance of the seventies.
Some Cash songs to die for: "Country Trash" about hillbilly life, "Like a Soldier" and "Drive On" off the best American recording and from the same cd, a cover of Leonard Cohen's "Bird on a Wire"
2007-08-10 18:08:34
195.   Eric Enders
186 Sorry about that. You made the same point much more concisely in 173 , anyway.
2007-08-10 18:08:37
196.   bhsportsguy
189 How is it a bad one?
2007-08-10 18:08:41
197.   still bevens
Makes me yearn for the days of Mitch Jones.
2007-08-10 18:08:41
198.   natepurcell
why would you ever run on Yadier Molina?
2007-08-10 18:09:00
199.   overkill94
183 I blame it on the Boston hype machine
2007-08-10 18:09:20
200.   MMSMikey
foul, of course.
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2007-08-10 18:09:35
201.   Humma Kavula
I agree on the Rule 1 violation, but I also believe that the post added to the conversation. Is there a way to reprint an edited version?
2007-08-10 18:09:36
202.   Bob Timmermann
Getting the PR staff to write good stuff about Hillenbrand is as monumental a task as Bonasera had in trying to make the body of Sonny Corleone look presentable to his mother at the funeral.
2007-08-10 18:10:50
203.   regfairfield
Fun with numbers:

Bobby Abreu unintentional walks in 2006: 118
Shea Hillenbrand unintentional walks in his career: 121

2007-08-10 18:11:45
204.   bhsportsguy
202 Of course we have to assume that he did a good job since we don't see of that service in the movie.

And we don't know if Bonasera did Don Corleone's funeral service.

2007-08-10 18:12:16
205.   Andrew Shimmin
As long as Sweeney and Hillenbrand don't play, I don't care about either of them.
2007-08-10 18:12:32
206.   overkill94
Ohhh, Kennedy, at least I was in the same trade
2007-08-10 18:14:13
207.   Bluebleeder87

The one when you think about it & it kind of doesn't make sense is the Betemit for Proctor deal (could have simply called up Jonathan Meloan) You'd think Betemits value could have fetched a starter.

2007-08-10 18:17:39
208.   Gen3Blue
Darn, I missed a rule one violation and now its gone so I can't see it.
I have seen that we are getting nothing at all in the way of Karma, so I am afraid we are not out of "it" yet.
2007-08-10 18:19:04
209.   bhsportsguy
207 I just don't think baseball people think of Betemit in that way.

BTW - Starting at 3B for the Las Vegas 51s, Shea Hillebrand

2007-08-10 18:20:57
210.   Gen3Blue
Did Bonasera's son do Michaels daughter's repairs for her funeral?
2007-08-10 18:21:04
211.   MMSMikey
c'mon kent get us on the board.
2007-08-10 18:26:26
212.   Bluebleeder87
it was a what ever trade for me but Betemits power & OBP is valuable specially for a power hungry team like the Dodgers, I just feel like Ned sold low on Betemit.
2007-08-10 18:27:03
213.   Gen3Blue
Considering the door-mats we are for the Cardinals, and that goes double for in St. Louie, Penny has to get credit for a heck of a start here--IMO. The Card's pitching, so beset upon, is rising; in part from facing the downtrodden D's.
2007-08-10 18:27:09
214.   overkill94
What the heck is Ethier swinging at
2007-08-10 18:28:31
215.   The Mootz
Eddie Murray is gloating right now.
2007-08-10 18:29:24
216.   Gen3Blue
212 I agree, but the things it may have kept him from getting involved in have a huge value to me.
2007-08-10 18:30:26
217.   jasonungar07
"the cardinals have not allowed a runner to 3rd base in 22 innings...(it's here where I pause and say, great we will never score) and then Stenier continues in his slow drawl...but of course they were playing the padres" LOL

(and then I think, oh no, but were the dodgers.)

2007-08-10 18:33:49
218.   MMSMikey
oh my god, this is what happens in st louis, never fails.
2007-08-10 18:36:17
219.   fanerman
Wow the A's are having an offensive explosion.
2007-08-10 18:36:22
220.   MMSMikey
duck farts all over
2007-08-10 18:36:30
221.   Bluebleeder87
what a great douple play!
2007-08-10 18:36:36
222.   jasonungar07
wow!!!! I love defense. I really do. My favorite part of the game to watch.
2007-08-10 18:37:47
223.   dzzrtRatt
You'd think Betemits value could have fetched a starter.

I think that's overstating Betemit's value quite a bit, unless by "starter" you mean another Tomko/Hendrickson. Who needs that? I'd rather have a competent middle reliever with some upside, which is what we got.

2007-08-10 18:38:54
224.   MMSMikey
why was pujols playing 50 ft off 1st base?
2007-08-10 18:39:03
225.   bhsportsguy
Scott Hairston went on the 15-day DL today.
2007-08-10 18:43:04
226.   Bluebleeder87

maybe the front office knows something I don't but why not just call up Meloan? & keep the power & OBP of Betemit. From what I understand we still had him under our control right.

2007-08-10 18:44:47
227.   still bevens
Whats the teams BABIP on this road trip? .100??
2007-08-10 18:50:26
228.   Bluebleeder87
man, Penny is pitching his heart out we need to score some runs!
2007-08-10 18:50:36
229.   bhsportsguy
Again, the discussion on Ankiel makes you once again realize that no matter what Bonds does, Babe Ruth is the greatest baseball player of all time.
2007-08-10 18:51:02
230.   Andrew Shimmin
223- You really think Proctor's going to get better than he's been? Why?
2007-08-10 18:53:41
231.   Eric Enders
229 What about Bob Caruthers? The only player ever to lead the league in ERA one year and OBP the next.
2007-08-10 18:56:12
232.   Bob Timmermann
What about Guy Hecker? Guy Hecker was the man!
2007-08-10 18:57:15
233.   MMSMikey
the dodgers have become completely unwatchable.
2007-08-10 18:57:31
234.   bhsportsguy
What about Joe Wood.
2007-08-10 18:58:26
235.   Bob Timmermann
You're not really Tony Jackson are you?
2007-08-10 18:58:44
236.   still bevens
Someone on the team must have slapped a nun or stolen candy from a small child or something. This is karmic in its scale of badness.
2007-08-10 18:58:58
237.   MMSMikey
i think i am
2007-08-10 18:59:21
238.   Branch Rickey
233. But worthy of much commenting?
2007-08-10 18:59:29
239.   Bluebleeder87

don't jump ship just yet Mikey, they'll break out of it eventually I just hope it's sooner rather then later.

2007-08-10 19:00:41
240.   MMSMikey

im fighting it hard.

2007-08-10 19:01:32
241.   Branch Rickey
236. It was our former hitting coach. This was discussed. =)
2007-08-10 19:01:54
242.   King of the Hobos
Proctor is unavailable today (something of a given), but Gurnick says he didn't play catch today, and threw underhand from the outfield, which Gurnick seems to think indicates discomfort. Hopefully nothing serious.
2007-08-10 19:02:08
243.   Eric Enders
So from the numbers in Jon's post above, I would doubt that Broxton can pitch the 8th tonight. Penny's already at 100 pitches so he won't be pitching the 8th either. Which leaves us... Beimel or the dreaded Hernandez.

Lefty O'Doul was another great hitting pitcher, though most of his great pitching seasons came in the PCL during the years when it was a "third major league."

There are really lots of these guys from the Babe Ruth era and earlier, though. Cy Seymour was another one.

2007-08-10 19:02:41
244.   Bluebleeder87
looks like Wainwright wants to go deep looking at those swings he's making, oh he struck out.
2007-08-10 19:03:37
245.   Branch Rickey
Rick Rhoden was a heck of a hitter in the 70's. Now a semi-pro golfer.
2007-08-10 19:04:13
246.   Bob Timmermann
Gagne continues to be "meh, OK" for the Red Sox.
2007-08-10 19:05:18
247.   Bluebleeder87
o.k. this is were we score right? I mean come on! Penny deserves the W!
2007-08-10 19:06:00
248.   Branch Rickey
I remember a game where Bob Welch threw a complete game shutout and hit a solo home run to win 1-0 (Bob T. will tell me if this is a false memory). I think Penny is a candidate to do that tonight.
2007-08-10 19:06:19
249.   Eric Enders
Rhoden, though, is one of those guys who clearly illustrates the difference between a "good hitter for a pitcher" and a "pitcher who is also a good hitter." Rhoden's career batting average was .238; O'Doul's was .349.
2007-08-10 19:07:24
250.   Bob Timmermann
The Dodgers and Cardinals have not played a 1-0 game since August 28, 1992.

The Cardinals won that game.

The Dodgers last beat the Cardinals 1-0 in 1991.

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2007-08-10 19:07:59
251.   MMSMikey

doesnt look like it.

2007-08-10 19:08:17
252.   Eric Enders
Chad, throwing between starts, is going to enter in relief and give up a run for the 1-0 loss.
2007-08-10 19:09:00
253.   Bob Timmermann
Welch did win 1-0 with a homer. He hit off of Mario Soto.

2007-08-10 19:09:28
254.   Eric Enders
Is Penny on deck or is it a PH?
2007-08-10 19:10:00
255.   Gen3Blue
Come on Sweeney, make the D fans love you!
2007-08-10 19:10:02
256.   Bluebleeder87
Mark Sweeney sheds his orange & black & appears in beautiful Blue & Grey.
2007-08-10 19:10:31
257.   bhsportsguy
253 If it was at Dodger Stadium, I was there.
2007-08-10 19:10:32
258.   Branch Rickey
249. Sure but O'doul only pitched 78 innings in his career.
2007-08-10 19:11:03
259.   Gen3Blue
What a nice player Ethier is!
2007-08-10 19:11:44
260.   Bluebleeder87

wow, that's cool winning on his own four bagger.

2007-08-10 19:12:05
261.   Bob Timmermann
Sweeney used his #21 there like former wearer Billy Ashley.
2007-08-10 19:12:23
262.   Branch Rickey
253/257 Thanks for the memory confirmation! I'm pretty sure I was there too.
2007-08-10 19:13:06
263.   Gen3Blue
Haysuse Amerigo, we can't get a break unless its our neck!
2007-08-10 19:13:27
264.   Bob Timmermann
O'Doul also gave up 13 runs in one inning in the majors.
2007-08-10 19:16:09
265.   Eric Enders
264 He also won 25 games for the Seals one year.
2007-08-10 19:17:10
266.   Gen3Blue
I don't care if they call Wainwright St. Louis ace, he not so good he should almost have a no hitter going. We are still in it.
2007-08-10 19:18:07
267.   nick
I was about to call a shot by Fat Albert off Beimel....
2007-08-10 19:18:42
268.   bhsportsguy
265 He also is the namesake for a San Francisco Civic Center eatery, I had a decent bowl of oatmeal there last January.
2007-08-10 19:18:44
269.   Bluebleeder87
HA! Pujols got Bemieled!
2007-08-10 19:19:13
270.   Eric Enders
Assuming the game remains scoreless, does Beimel stay in for the 9th since he only threw a handful of pitches?
2007-08-10 19:19:14
271.   Gen3Blue
He has a terrific move? I thought he always balked?
2007-08-10 19:19:32
272.   Bob Timmermann
With the Mets loss, Arizona now has the best record in the NL.
2007-08-10 19:20:51
273.   Branch Rickey
265. I have a signed Seals baseball that has O'Doul and Arky Vaughan on it (I think someone here helped me figure out it was a Seals ball). Gotta be worth something but I have no idea where to move it. Any big Seals fans out there?
2007-08-10 19:21:33
274.   NorCal-Dodger
Ok, we score one run..Saito get's a save.

Someone else can taste the bittersweet taste of a 1-0 loss!

2007-08-10 19:22:00
275.   Eric Enders
268 I've eaten there many times. Do they still have all the old baseball memorabilia on the walls? One thing I remember was a huge framed enlargement of a marriage license issued to one "Norma Jeane DiMaggio."

O'Doul ran that restaurant for many years before his death. He also was largely responsible for popularizing baseball in Japan. Bob could probably tell us more about that.

2007-08-10 19:22:02
276.   Bluebleeder87
(271 )

I think it's one of those "eye of the beholder" type moves were it depends what Umpire is at 1st base.

2007-08-10 19:22:35
277.   Branch Rickey
268. There is a Lefty O'Douls directly across the street from the Dodgers hotel in S.F. Kinda nasty though.
2007-08-10 19:22:57
278.   bhsportsguy
273 Arky Vaughn, the best shortstop between Wagner and Banks per Bill James I believe.
2007-08-10 19:23:13
279.   Gen3Blue
I musty admit the balk is a call that makes baseball as meaningless as most other sports-- fortunately it doesn't influence almost every play like B-ball or Hockey.
2007-08-10 19:25:04
280.   Branch Rickey
278. Wow that sounds like a tough left side of the infield. Even Tony Gwynn would have trouble.
2007-08-10 19:25:09
281.   Bluebleeder87
Time for Loney to go yard. [crossing fingers]
2007-08-10 19:25:34
282.   bhsportsguy
275 Yes, they have the baseball stuff on the walls. I wouldn't call it nasty though not comparable to the other restaurants in the area.
2007-08-10 19:26:41
283.   Andrew Shimmin
That was quite watchable.
2007-08-10 19:26:43
284.   NorCal-Dodger
2 Runs is good too!!
2007-08-10 19:26:44
285.   Rob M
281 you called it!!!!!
2007-08-10 19:26:51
286.   Branch Rickey
Can you imagine this team if they still had Loney languishing in Vegas?
2007-08-10 19:26:54
287.   NorCal-Dodger
2 Runs is good too!!
2007-08-10 19:27:01
288.   natepurcell
I didn't know that the phrase "James Loney has lost it" means "homerun".
2007-08-10 19:27:09
289.   Jon Weisman
2007-08-10 19:27:20
290.   Gen3Blue
Come on, get some more.
2007-08-10 19:27:40
291.   Bluebleeder87
Someone else can taste the bittersweet taste of a 1-0 loss!

hopefully it will be a 2-0 loss.

2007-08-10 19:28:39
292.   TheBigGrabowski
alright loney!
2007-08-10 19:28:43
293.   Bob Timmermann
Why no love for the balk? It doesn't get called very much.
2007-08-10 19:29:07
294.   Bluebleeder87

that wasn't a mojo call that was totally luck, but we'll take it.

2007-08-10 19:29:20
295.   bhsportsguy
I stepped away, anything happen?
2007-08-10 19:30:20
296.   bhsportsguy
293 You don't have a Balk Watch on the Griddle.
2007-08-10 19:31:39
297.   Bob Timmermann
Of course not, that would be silly. ;-)
2007-08-10 19:31:52
298.   Gen3Blue
Crazy eyes!
2007-08-10 19:31:57
299.   Uncle Miltie
So I guess Loney won't be losing his job to Mark Sweeney.
2007-08-10 19:32:09
300.   Branch Rickey
James Loney is hitting third and can be expected to do so for the remainder of the series.

"He has a chance to be a run producer," Manager Grady Little said. "One day you'll see him in the middle of the lineups regularly, and that day might be now."

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2007-08-10 19:32:28
301.   underdog
So I managed to catch the last couple of innings online here in our little cottage up north. (Kinda wish there was no wireless access here so I wouldn't be tempted, but since there is...)

Yay, Loney.

Can we do a "Please Explain: Tony LaRussa" blog entry? Is Wainright still really in there with 121 pitches? Is St. Louis' entire bullpen injured?

2007-08-10 19:33:03
302.   Bluebleeder87
Stop 'em Saito!
2007-08-10 19:34:12
303.   fanerman

Nice job James.

2007-08-10 19:34:45
304.   Marty
I love Loney
2007-08-10 19:35:53
305.   Greg Brock
I can't believe I slept through the whole game. Fine line between naps and narcolepsy, I guess.

Loney homered? Very nice!

2007-08-10 19:36:56
306.   Sam in SC
jeez. c'mon, sammy. make all the sams proud!
2007-08-10 19:37:01
307.   bhsportsguy
305 You really didn't miss much, though Penny had a good start and Beimel picked off Pujols.
2007-08-10 19:37:29
308.   Bluebleeder87
High heat to strike out Rolen, very nice.
2007-08-10 19:37:29
309.   Sam in SC
strike three was a pitch to hit. YIKES
2007-08-10 19:37:40
310.   Bob Timmermann
Hoffman blows the save in Cincinnati. 7-7 with Hatteberg on 1st and one out.
2007-08-10 19:38:03
311.   Exick
Figures the @*&#! cable box would crash and reboot during the only inning where there was any scoring.
2007-08-10 19:38:31
312.   Bob Timmermann
Actually Hatteberg doubled and Dunn is being walked. Encarnacion is up.
2007-08-10 19:38:34
313.   Sam DC
1. Yeah James Loney.

2. Are you guys really serious about Shea Hillenbrand?

3. I refuse to believe there are people who don't know that the song is called Baba O'Reily.

The real badge of honor, of course, is being able to sit reverently through the entire intro and then massively air strum in on the right notes.

4. I believe I started the last cover discussion by shaking my head about Dido covering Fire and Rain, which isn't a very good cover and which I was really just doing to get a rise out of Greg Brock.

Which is exactly why I raise it again.

5. I got caught up one night recently watching the first season of American Idol on a "rewind." I'd never seen the show before. That Kelly Clarkson can sing. Boy did she belt out You Make Me Feel Like a Natural Woman. Great cover, even though it just was really powerful singing and didn't take the song anywhere particularly new.

2007-08-10 19:39:30
314.   Bluebleeder87

the way he had him looking outside outside & then come high & in, NO WAY Rolen was gonna hit it, BELIEVE ME SAM!

2007-08-10 19:39:51
315.   Eric Enders
I can't believe I invested three hours of my life in watching a 0-0 game and then my computer craps out on me mere seconds before Loney's homer.
2007-08-10 19:39:57
316.   Bob Timmermann
Encarnacion pops out and Gonzalez does the same.

Free baseball in the Queen City!

2007-08-10 19:40:30
317.   NorCal-Dodger
No talk of BS while Sammy is trying to Close.
2007-08-10 19:41:16
318.   Sam DC
Matt Chico just walked Justin Upton and Mark Reynolds with the bases loaded in AZ. AZ 4-1 over the Nationals.
2007-08-10 19:41:28
319.   MMSMikey
ugh, steiner was right! why were they playing molina like that?
2007-08-10 19:41:37
320.   Bob Timmermann
A little late for that now.
2007-08-10 19:42:21
321.   fanerman
Ahhhh come on Saito.
2007-08-10 19:42:52
322.   Bluebleeder87
Ugh, Nomar looked horrible trying to make the diving catch 2-1 now.
2007-08-10 19:43:18
323.   underdog
Argh, Sammy. Maybe this is my punishment for being here instead of in a hot tub like I should. Now I'm too sweaty.
2007-08-10 19:44:29
324.   bhsportsguy
That was the pitch he wanted to throw Molina.
2007-08-10 19:45:07
325.   MMSMikey
c'mon sammy 1 more out.
2007-08-10 19:45:29
326.   Bluebleeder87

I just thought of the famous Eddie Murphy "to hot in the hot tub" song he made famous on SNL.

2007-08-10 19:46:13
327.   Eric Stephen
323 I immediately thought of Eddie Murphy channeling James Brown..."Gonna get in the hot tub! Gonna make me sweat!"

To bring this full circle, Charley Steiner called Hee Seop Choi "The Godfather of Seoul" earlier in tonight's broadcast.

2007-08-10 19:46:16
328.   Sam in SC
good heavens. I love the drama . . . not.
2007-08-10 19:46:36
329.   Greg Brock
326 As did I.

"Hot Tub! Gonna make me sweat-a, gonna make me wet-a...Ahhh...Too hot in the hot tub!"

2007-08-10 19:46:45
330.   Eric Stephen
326 I apparently bleed red. Too slow!
2007-08-10 19:46:47
331.   Sam in SC
0-2, sammy! bring it home, baby
2007-08-10 19:47:18
332.   Bluebleeder87
Finish him out Saito!
2007-08-10 19:47:38
333.   MJW101
I was perusing the Dodgers OPS stats over the season and noticed:

Pierre is amazingly consistent - only one starter, in June two, has OPSed lower than Pierre in any month so far in 2007 622/650/625/664 (Apr/May/Jun/Jul).

Martin is also amazingly consistent - his OPS has stayed within 56 points throughout the season 863/843/807/858.

Gonzo reached his peak in June and is now declining at a precipitous pace 736/832/946/604.

Kent started decently then took off in July

Ethier began his rise in June 740/711/848/1021.

Furcal has been all over, up and down, with no consistency 515/908/591/831.

Loney also shows inconsistency, no surprise for a youngster, 1252/750 (Jun/Jul)- small sample size.

Kemp has been consistent despite appearances to the contrary 967/x/888/912.

Nomar was slowly sinking past mediocrity until an uptick in July 767/606/567/805.

2007-08-10 19:48:34
334.   Sam in SC
jeez. he stays alive
2007-08-10 19:49:23
335.   Eric Stephen
Adam Kennedy seems to have surprisingly good plate coverage on high pitches despite his uppercut swing. Edmonds-like, even.
2007-08-10 19:49:44
336.   NorCal-Dodger
Gotta get Kennedy...don't won't to deal with Ecky!
2007-08-10 19:50:14
337.   Bluebleeder87
Kenny has proven to be an honorable match for Saito.
2007-08-10 19:50:32
338.   NorCal-Dodger
2007-08-10 19:50:47
339.   underdog
326/327/329 - Hilarious. I seriously had the Murphy sketch in my head, too. "Hah! Hot tub! Hah!"

Argh, stop fouling off so many pitches!

2007-08-10 19:51:23
340.   fanerman
Frantically hitting refresh isn't helping!
2007-08-10 19:51:30
341.   MMSMikey
man that felt good.
2007-08-10 19:51:40
342.   Sam in SC
strike three was a ball, but w00t!!!
2007-08-10 19:51:40
343.   Exick
Striiiiike threeee!
2007-08-10 19:51:41
344.   Greg Brock
We win!

Two in a row. Hooray.

2007-08-10 19:51:49
345.   natepurcell
2 in a row!?!?! HEEEE'S HEATING UP!
2007-08-10 19:51:53
346.   Bluebleeder87
2007-08-10 19:52:07
347.   underdog
2007-08-10 19:52:15
348.   bhsportsguy
Old friend Eric Gagne helps to blow a big lead in Baltimore while Sammy Saito picks up a save.

2 wins in a row. What a feeling.

2007-08-10 19:52:33
349.   Eric Stephen
The best part of the whole sketch was when Murphy almost made himself crack up, when he said "well, well, well" and then went silent for a second (like he forgot his lines).

Oh, and you are all welcome for the reverse jinx in 335 .

2007-08-10 19:52:40
350.   fanerman
Winning streak!
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2007-08-10 19:52:45
351.   Eric Enders
Nothing like the ol' strike-out-the-side-on-35-pitches.
2007-08-10 19:53:09
352.   NorCal-Dodger
Walk, 2 Hits, 1 RUN...Strikeout the side...Ho-Hum 28 pitch inning Save.

Hope Broxton is ready for a 'S' if the opportunity presents itself tomorrow!

2007-08-10 19:53:30
353.   MMSMikey
Just when I think I'm out, they pull me back in.
2007-08-10 19:53:47
354.   trainwreck
I love winning by Loney Bomb.
2007-08-10 19:54:06
355.   bhsportsguy
BTW Hu is playing 2B again for the 51s

Could he be prepping for a utility role in the very near future?

2007-08-10 19:54:20
356.   Bluebleeder87

The whole drama thing is what made it very compeling! & the Dodgers came out on top yes!

2007-08-10 19:54:57
357.   bhsportsguy
351 Like good old Don Stanhouse.
2007-08-10 19:55:35
358.   NorCal-Dodger
2-1 win is as good as a 1-0 win. ;-0
2007-08-10 19:55:51
359.   Marty
I do like the Brown song they play off of. Popcorn!
2007-08-10 19:56:03
360.   Gen3Blue
Who hit through the slump; who has the power; yes James Loney. Almost cranked two tonight.
2007-08-10 19:56:26
361.   Marty
357 is a rule 1 violation.
2007-08-10 19:56:47
362.   Eric Stephen
Mike Stanton's climb toward Jesse Orosco continues. Stanton's at 1162 games pitched now at age 40, a mere 90 away from the two-time former Dodger and former glove-thrower-to-the-heavens and former Gibson-igniter Orosco.
2007-08-10 19:56:47
363.   Robert Daeley
305 Weird, that happened to me too. :) Long week I guess. Woke up just as Loney started trotting around the bases.

That Saito appearance woke me up throughly, however.

2007-08-10 19:56:58
364.   bigcpa
#758 off Matt Morris!
2007-08-10 19:57:28
365.   underdog
Okay, I better log off. (And no, that's not a euphemism for anything.) Although now my g/f's wrapped up in a story she's writing. Guess I'll quietly do my James Brown impression off in a corner by myself.

Night all. If I log on here again later, please tell me to leave.

Go Dodgers tomorrow.

2007-08-10 19:58:02
366.   Eric Enders
If anyone is wondering how fast it's possible for a pitcher's night to fall apart, here are the three game notes Yahoo has posted for the KC-Toronto game:



2007-08-10 19:59:31
367.   Eric Stephen
Since Saito is probably out for tomorrow, it's good that Broxton was out tonight. Big Bad John can get the save tomorrow.
2007-08-10 19:59:36
368.   Sam DC
365 I understand the log off thing isn't a euphamism, but I'm still worried about the James Brown in a corner thing.
2007-08-10 19:59:43
369.   bigcpa
Left town for a few days and missed Lineup-gate. Suddenly I feel like I'm watching OUR team. I know I've seen the Furcal-Martin-Loney-Kent-Gonzo hypothetical lineup posted here 20 or so times. Might be 2-3 weeks late to save the season but our 2008 odds just inched up a bit it seems.
2007-08-10 20:00:49
370.   Eric Enders
367 Maybe not. Roberto Hernandez didn't pitch tonight either, and he's a Proven Closer.
2007-08-10 20:01:38
371.   Sam DC
351 I thought you took exception to that definition of "side"?
2007-08-10 20:04:20
372.   underdog
368 That's not a euphemism, either.


2007-08-10 20:04:22
373.   Eric Enders
371 Yeah, I do. My principles are easily compromised.
2007-08-10 20:04:28
374.   Exick
I decided to check out YouTube and see if they had a video of Rick Ankiel's homer last night. I was curious about the reaction of Cardinal fans.

The video reminds me of maybe my favorite thing about baseball. The thing that is pretty much unique to baseball: the curtain call. You knew it was coming just as he was rounding 3rd. Cardinal fans, being the classy and knowledgeable folks they are, knew it was an appropriate occasion. It took Ankiel a second to realize what was going on, but he came back out and tipped his cap to thunderous applause.

Here it is for those that want to see.

2007-08-10 20:05:02
375.   Eric Enders
372 Just leave already!
2007-08-10 20:08:28
376.   Eric Enders
And the Friars take an 8-7 lead on a sac fly in the 11th.
2007-08-10 20:09:23
377.   ToyCannon
Thanks, never seen La Russa so happy.
2007-08-10 20:09:38
378.   Gen3Blue
You-Dawg. how can you leave at a time like this-I feel good- Pop-corn- This is a man's world.
2007-08-10 20:10:47
379.   Icaros
Glad we didn't trade for David Weathers.
2007-08-10 20:10:47
380.   Eric Stephen
All 3 walks by David Weathers have scored in the 11th...10-7 Padres.
2007-08-10 20:13:38
381.   Eric Stephen
Man, this is going to be a sweet Reds comeback. 12-7 Padres now after Kooz went deep.
2007-08-10 20:16:08
382.   Eric Stephen
The 11th inning almost ended with nary a run for the Friars. After David Weathers loaded the bases with walks, Khalil Greene hit a 1-out flyball to Dunn in LF. Dunn uncorked a one-hopper to the plate that nearly got a surprised (and non-sliding) Adrian Gonzalez at the plate.
2007-08-10 20:18:39
383.   Gen3Blue
Kemp or Ethier

Not Ideal, but practical

2007-08-10 20:23:25
384.   Bob Timmermann
The battle has been joined by the Nats! 4-3 AZ in the 6th now after a pair of homers by Washington.
2007-08-10 20:24:23
385.   Bob Timmermann
And there it goes again! Kearns goes yard and it's 4-4!
2007-08-10 20:24:54
386.   Sam DC
Kearns makes it 3 HRs in the inning. Tie game.
2007-08-10 20:24:59
387.   Icaros
Was that three in a row, Bob?
2007-08-10 20:26:05
388.   Gen3Blue
I'm not surprised that many people I know don't care for ESPN. I don't know how they find so many thing to eclipse baseball in July and August. Top stories; Tiger Woods, Football, then wrestling.
2007-08-10 20:26:58
389.   Bob Timmermann
Homer, out, homer, homer, out, out
2007-08-10 20:28:40
390.   Icaros

I caught the end of homer 3 and all of outs 2 and 3.

2007-08-10 20:28:52
391.   Sam DC
388 I will agree that Tiger is probably the top story today.

The pre-preseason football stuff is unimpressive.

We hardly get any coverage of the Redskins out here of course.

Some days, I can hardly figure out what Joe Gibbs had for breakast or whether the team groundskeepers will be hitting the bars or what.

2007-08-10 20:31:35
392.   Gen3Blue
Sam, I do have a bit of a soft spot for the Skins for some reason, so thats no fair. I think BB should lead
2007-08-10 20:32:30
393.   Bob Timmermann
LA college football coverage:

Pete Carroll discusses which High School All-America will be #6 on the depth chart at tailback. Several different High School All-Americas scramble to be John David Booty's backup. Snoop Dog and Will Farrell come to practice.

Meanwhile in Westwood, Karl Dorrell says his team is "showing signs of being able to compete and be tough in the red zone" or some such nonsense.

2007-08-10 20:34:18
394.   Bob Timmermann
The Redskins are owned by a man who makes C. Montgomery Burns look Andrew Carnegie.
2007-08-10 20:34:21
395.   Sam DC
Didn't you skip a suspension or an arrest or some such?
2007-08-10 20:35:59
396.   Bob Timmermann
Those even out. Although USC will have to find a new friend in the LA City Attorney's office to drop the charges in most of the cases since Rocky Delgadillo is hanging on to his job by the skin of his teeth.
2007-08-10 20:36:18
397.   Gen3Blue
Is Bill Murray to old for college football, or does he have sons Bob?
2007-08-10 20:37:02
398.   Bob Timmermann
Bill Murray plays golf and goes to Cubs and Bears games.
2007-08-10 20:38:01
399.   Marty
Tiger drops a 63 on Southern Hills? Yeah, I'd say that deserves play on ESPN.
2007-08-10 20:38:19
400.   Gen3Blue
Ahh, C. Montey Burns. My secret Identical twin!
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2007-08-10 20:40:14
401.   Exick
I have to admit, seeing a picture of Tiger on ESPN's front page startled me a bit. I had spent the morning hearing about how he hadn't shot a very good round yesterday. Why is he on the front page?

Oh, he shot a 7-under 63 and is leading by two strokes after being 6 back when the day started? Ok, now I get it. I think it's official: this Tiger kid is pretty good at golf.

Let's go Nash-nulls, let's go! CLAP CLAP

2007-08-10 20:40:25
402.   trainwreck
Actually Dorrell just said that this team is learning how to practice well.
2007-08-10 20:41:39
403.   Greg Brock
I too have a very soft spot for the Redskins. Even Dan Snyder is unable to remove the fondness for George Allen.
2007-08-10 20:42:31
404.   Marty
He lipped out at 18 or it would have been a 62.
2007-08-10 20:42:53
405.   Bob Timmermann
Karl Dorrell actually makes Jim Tracy sound exciting.
2007-08-10 20:45:26
406.   Bob Timmermann
Yellow alert for the cycle for Rajai Davis in San Francisco. He's never hit a home run in the majors. But he's also facing Pirate pitching.
2007-08-10 20:46:40
407.   Jon Weisman
New post up top.
2007-08-10 20:47:15
408.   Greg Brock
402 405 You guys are masochists.
2007-08-10 20:49:58
409.   Gen3Blue
I'm running on the euphoria of finally winning, although I've found no confirmation on any of ESPN's channels yet.
I can remember Bob, one and maybe more articles, that stated, in Jim Tracy, the D's have perhaps found another Walter Alston, who will quietly and unasumingly take them to the pinnacle of baseball again and again. I swear I read it.

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