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Hendrickson To Bullpen; Hillenbrand, Unbelievably, Up in Place of Young
2007-08-13 18:46
by Jon Weisman

Topic A: Tony Jackson. Topic B: Brian Kamenetzky, Blue Notes. Josh Rawitch of the Dodgers confirms.

Instead of Wilson Betemit and Jonathan Meloan, the Dodgers now have Shea Hillenbrand and Scott Proctor. And even if you thought poorly of Betemit's year, it's lightning and thunder compared to the drizzle Hillenbrand has delivered.

* * *

Tonight's game:


Retro Gameday

Comments (488)
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2007-08-13 19:03:53
1.   Bob Timmermann
Dodgers shooting for their first win with me in the stands since September 21, 2006. The Dodgers beat the Pirates 5-2.
2007-08-13 19:04:20
2.   overkill94
That Joba Chamberlain is pretty tough. He set the Orioles down 1-2-3 while making them look pretty silly. I'd dare to say his fastball/slider combo is even better than Broxton's.
2007-08-13 19:04:26
3.   Curtis Lowe
Hope Billz uses all his pitches tonight, I can't remember what game it was but he struck out some guy on 3 pitches 1 FB 1 Curve 1 12-6 Curve it looked really cool.

If anything I want to see some cool looking pitches.

2007-08-13 19:06:36
4.   Bluebleeder87
please give us some feed back on how studly a pitcher Oswalt looks, I'm a huge fan. I'm hoping for a nice pitching dual though.
2007-08-13 19:12:17
5.   natepurcell
that was a cool pitch.
2007-08-13 19:12:36
6.   Izzy
So, I was reading one of my many baseball books, when I noticed it was written by some guy named Enders. Somehow, I knew, whoever wrote it liked the Dodgers. I just had a feeling. Very nice work.
2007-08-13 19:13:08
7.   trainwreck
I am guessing ESPN's gun must be fast, because Bills is throwing 95 consistently.
2007-08-13 19:13:11
8.   Curtis Lowe
Missed it, he'll have to throw it again with the same results.
2007-08-13 19:14:04
9.   Bluebleeder87
The ESPN radar gun always seems about 2 or 3 MPH faster.
2007-08-13 19:14:22
10.   natepurcell

not that much faster. kcal 9 gun has him consistently 92-94

2007-08-13 19:14:35
11.   trainwreck
Sutcliffe says Ned has made no wrong moves.
2007-08-13 19:16:15
12.   Indiana Jon
11 He aslo said the Dodgers had no players in their 30's and that's what they needed.
2007-08-13 19:16:25
13.   Gen3Blue
PTL I think I will finally get to see a game tonight on DTV. As you know I am happy to be a D's fan on the east coast. But at this time of year I am faced with a lot of games that start at 10pm or later, often for weeks on end. Unfortunately I found I was drinking more to wait or nap after supper.
Fortunately I started taking long evening walks instead.
Unfortunately I found (this being a rather touristy area) that though much of my walk is rural, there are 5 Restaraunt/bars in walking range.
Fortunately I have been doing very well passing most of these establishments.
Unfortunately one has a cute and rather friendly bartendress.
Fortunately that place is a long walk away.
Unfortunately I found out she is a baseball fan.
Fortunately she likes the Yankees, with leanings toward SF (where she lived for 5 years.
I think I will be just fine.
2007-08-13 19:17:38
14.   natepurcell
oops russ.
2007-08-13 19:18:35
15.   Curtis Lowe
13 - Sounds confusing.
2007-08-13 19:19:16
16.   natepurcell
chad's curve looks pretty wicked tonight.
2007-08-13 19:20:38
17.   Indiana Jon
Unfortunately I couldn't follow along with everything you said.

Fortunately I still get your point.

2007-08-13 19:20:52
18.   Bluebleeder87
He aslo said the Dodgers had no players in their 30's and that's what they needed.

oh man, that one is priceless!

2007-08-13 19:22:15
19.   Indiana Jon
He actually said that when trying to explain their pickup of Hillenbrand.
2007-08-13 19:23:10
20.   King of the Hobos
So, which inning will the Astros score their run in? My bet's on the 5th.
2007-08-13 19:23:41
21.   Curtis Lowe
He must have meant noone plays like they are in their 30's.
2007-08-13 19:23:51
22.   Gen3Blue
That has to be two errors yes?
2007-08-13 19:28:00
23.   El Lay Dave
Pretty soon Sutcliffe will be talking about George Clooney, Bill Murray and whether or not Matt Vasgersian should still be in San Diego.
2007-08-13 19:29:56
24.   El Lay Dave
20 The first inning. Tomorrow.
2007-08-13 19:30:26
25.   JoeyP
These umpires are horrible.
Berkman kicked 1st base.
That was easy to see.
2007-08-13 19:31:07
26.   King of the Hobos
That's a really bad call. Maybe we can score some runs if the umps like us that much.
2007-08-13 19:31:14
27.   Bluebleeder87
it looks like the ump called Loney out at 1st glance from what I saw, luck is on our side for once it looks like.
2007-08-13 19:31:16
28.   MMSMikey
did the dodgers just catch a break?
2007-08-13 19:31:34
29.   Kingmans Performance
What is the name of the 1st Base Umpire?
2007-08-13 19:31:57
30.   JoeyP
Given a break, and a GIDP.
2007-08-13 19:31:58
31.   MMSMikey
well so much for that.
2007-08-13 19:32:02
32.   El Lay Dave
22 It would be unusual to have two errors given for a batter reaching first base only.
2007-08-13 19:32:08
33.   Curtis Lowe
2007-08-13 19:32:14
34.   MMSMikey
nice 2-0 hack there, kent.
2007-08-13 19:32:25
35.   ucladodger
Thats not exactly how you want to make use of a gift call like that
2007-08-13 19:32:45
36.   Bluebleeder87
I'll take that back [as Kent hits into the DP]
2007-08-13 19:34:09
37.   fordprefect
We're living up here in the sticks (SLO) and Directv still blacks out the game. Thanks for nothing, Directv.
-Stupid blackout rules...
2007-08-13 19:34:34
38.   El Lay Dave
29 Jerry Crawford. He was union head for the umps when they tried the resignation ploy. He didn't lose his umpiring job, though. 30 years umpiring.
2007-08-13 19:35:09
39.   Curtis Lowe
First Dodger RBI will be hit by Chad Billingsley.
2007-08-13 19:36:03
40.   King of the Hobos
Tim Wakefield is now 14-10 in 24 starts. How often does a starter have a decision in every start?
2007-08-13 19:37:11
41.   Kingmans Performance


I'll leave Crawford alone then.

2007-08-13 19:37:23
42.   underdog
Sutcliffe must have made that statement about the Dodgers needing players in their 30s, when I was on the phone, because I would've done a spit-take. That's despite the fact that they had a thing at the beginning, a montage of Kent, Gonzo, and Nomar - with the announcer Sciambi talking about players getting old. I think Sutcliffe talks like he has a glass of Merlot every half inning.

I was glad to see Martin have a good rip on the ball when he lined out, even though it still looks like he's missing balls he would've hit earlier in the year.

2007-08-13 19:37:24
43.   Gen3Blue
Just so, not good use of a gift. That's what seems to happen in these stetches.
2007-08-13 19:37:48
44.   Gen3Blue
43 or stretches.
2007-08-13 19:38:12
45.   underdog
Watching the Broncos-Niners game earlier, I saw the most pointless thing you can see in sports: throwing the red flag, calling for instant replay on a call.
2007-08-13 19:40:22
46.   Bluebleeder87
Man, that was a beautiful inside pitch by Bills, wow!
2007-08-13 19:41:32
47.   underdog
45 In an exhibition game, I meant to add. Thus the extreme pointlessness.

Well, at least Sutcliffe's aware of Billingsley's 1-0 streak, even if he went off for another three minutes after that.

2007-08-13 19:42:50
48.   underdog
This is quite a dual, so far.
2007-08-13 19:42:50
49.   Curtis Lowe
Nice max effort right there.
2007-08-13 19:42:52
50.   MMSMikey
bills is throwing hard tonight.
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2007-08-13 19:43:10
51.   MMSMikey
if brad ausmus gets a single, you know things are going bad.
2007-08-13 19:44:07
52.   natepurcell
what does the espn gun have billingsley at?
2007-08-13 19:44:31
53.   trainwreck
Bills is throwing rocks tonight. The Astros hitters are dead in the water.
2007-08-13 19:44:48
54.   Curtis Lowe
52 - Ludicrous speed!
2007-08-13 19:44:53
55.   overkill94
This is quite possibly the best fastball I've seen Billingsley throw - plus velocity to go along with pin-point location. Second time around the line-up I expect him to mix in a few more curveballs.
2007-08-13 19:45:10
56.   trainwreck
2007-08-13 19:45:45
57.   scareduck
I almost thought I found an exception to Bob's discovery about Los Angeles Dodger pitchers losing consecutive 1-0 shutout games... the Dodgers did suffer consecutive shutouts on days that Don Drysdale pitched on July 24 and July 28, 1968, but one of those two games was a doubleheader against Houston that Drysdale lost 8-3. A young Don Sutton took the 1-0 loss in the second game of the set.

2007-08-13 19:46:59
58.   El Lay Dave
51 Ausmus has 67 hits this year, a .234, not great, but still, it's not like he's Mark Hendrickson.

As tough as things have been, they should pitch around him and get to Oswalt.

2007-08-13 19:47:13
59.   Curtis Lowe
2007-08-13 19:47:23
60.   MMSMikey
that cant happen
2007-08-13 19:47:27
61.   underdog
I'd say walking Oswalt is the bad sign.
2007-08-13 19:47:31
62.   jujibee
FSN houston has Billingsley throwing 93-94 consistantly and up to 96. FSN Houston also has announcers who say that Billingsley has one of the best curve balls in the game, though I'm pretty sure they haven't seen him throw too much.
2007-08-13 19:47:51
63.   Bob Timmermann
The Loney play was described on the scoreboard as "Failed FC".

I've never seen that phrase before on the board.

The BlackBerry is very balky.

2007-08-13 19:48:24
64.   overkill94
55 Sorry for the jinx
2007-08-13 19:48:53
65.   El Lay Dave
61 It's certainly not a good one.
2007-08-13 19:49:01
66.   MMSMikey
my god
2007-08-13 19:49:06
67.   Curtis Lowe
2007-08-13 19:49:17
68.   Bluebleeder87
ahhh Martin! the ball bounces out of Martins glove.
2007-08-13 19:49:46
69.   underdog
That was just a few bad pitches from Chad - he needed to just throw straight fast balls around the plate to Oswalt and be done with it. I dunno what Honeycutt said to Bills but it was probably along the lines of, "Stop it!"

Argh, Russell! But a completely clueless fan reached in to interfere with him, too. C'mon, you dolt!

2007-08-13 19:50:03
70.   natepurcell
stupid fan get out of the way!
2007-08-13 19:50:40
71.   underdog
Now that dodo fan is on a cell phone, probably saying, "Did you see me on TV? It was SO cool!"

Oh well, they got out of it.

2007-08-13 19:51:08
72.   underdog
Bob, go down there and give that guy a talking to.
2007-08-13 19:51:16
73.   overkill94
Ugh, 55 pitches in 2 IP is no bueno
2007-08-13 19:51:29
74.   Curtis Lowe
Martin showed some good restraint right there, I would have broken rule 1 all over the interfering fans face.
2007-08-13 19:51:33
75.   Marty
Bartman in training.
2007-08-13 19:53:00
76.   trainwreck
Yes, we need more Rick Ankiel highlights ESPN.
2007-08-13 19:53:02
77.   El Lay Dave
Did the idiotic fan get booed?

If that happened in Yankee Stadium, he'd have to be escorted out for his own protection.

2007-08-13 19:53:27
78.   Curtis Lowe
Cue 6 pitch inning.
2007-08-13 19:53:39
79.   El Lay Dave
74 Milton Bradley would throw a bottle at him.
2007-08-13 19:54:23
80.   Bob Timmermann
I'm in Section 55 of the reserved. The game is mainly a rumor from here.
2007-08-13 19:55:24
81.   El Lay Dave
78 One hopes. One fears that Chad will overcompensate with strikes that are too good; Berkman and Lee are due up second and third next inning.

73 Worrisome.

2007-08-13 19:56:03
82.   underdog
I didn't hear much booing - but a few scattered boos, yeah.

Gonzo has been struggling so much lately, I would have had Kemp in there tonight, but what else is new?


2007-08-13 19:56:13
83.   MMSMikey
god, right when it looks like nomar gets good wood on the ball. its 40 ft shy of the track.
2007-08-13 19:56:49
84.   Bob Timmermann
I heard booing after the foul ball dropped by Martin, but I had no idea what it was about.
2007-08-13 19:57:03
85.   underdog
See now Sutcliffe is actually giving some accurate analysis about how the Dodgers are in transition. Maybe the Merlot is kicking in in a good way.
2007-08-13 19:57:32
86.   Bluebleeder87
what's with the freaky camera angles KCAL is giving? it's making me dizzy!
2007-08-13 19:59:53
87.   El Lay Dave
So when you steal second here, you take the bat out of Ethier's hands so Houston can face the pitcher instead.
2007-08-13 20:00:26
88.   Jon Weisman
Bad moons setting and rising. See update above.
2007-08-13 20:00:32
89.   Gen3Blue
Somebody got on base, and though my sound is now off, I think I know who it is. A friend of mine once said everyone needs a little head sometime. So I guess its JP and now he's stolen second----all for nought.
2007-08-13 20:00:46
90.   trainwreck
Then he goes on about how great Pierre is even though he can't get on base.
2007-08-13 20:01:07
91.   rockmrete
From the last thread regaurding Contreras...
Don't the White Sox need a Center fielder?
2007-08-13 20:01:44
92.   overkill94
That last sequence was the perfect example of why having Ethier in the 8 spot is a horrible idea. If it was someone like Nomar there instead, either they pitch to him because they know he's struggling or we get a free walk to one of our weakest hitters. Having one of your best hitters there makes the decision for the opposing manager way too easy.
2007-08-13 20:02:06
93.   King of the Hobos
88 Ugh. I guess 4-4 just isn't good enough.
2007-08-13 20:02:11
94.   Bluebleeder87
should be an interesting inning for Bills with Berkman & Lee coming up, I really hope he regains his control.
2007-08-13 20:02:39
95.   Kingmans Performance
Thanks for the small tribute to the Queen Of Soul in your 'Who's Zoomin' Who' post Jon, if that's what you were thinking.

Aretha Franklin's 1985 album 'Who's Zoomin Who?' a platinum seller that gave us 'Freeway Of Love', the title track, and a duet with the Eurythmics 'Sisters Are Doin It For Themselves' which had some airplay on MTV.

2007-08-13 20:02:44
96.   MMSMikey
who did the dodgers option out? for hillenbrand?
2007-08-13 20:03:11
97.   Bob Timmermann
I hope I see Shea's Dodger debut! It will be ... different.
2007-08-13 20:03:38
98.   King of the Hobos
96 Delwyn Young
2007-08-13 20:03:40
99.   trainwreck
Are all their computers broken and they can't look up stats?
2007-08-13 20:03:44
100.   MMSMikey
delwyn young.
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2007-08-13 20:04:06
101.   Jon Weisman
Tony Abreu would have had that grounder.
2007-08-13 20:04:22
102.   ucladodger
Ned and Grady are driving me crazy with their decisions, as if the losing streak isnt enough.
2007-08-13 20:05:46
103.   trainwreck
Yeah, he went 4-4, but let's go with the guy who has been cut twice over the past year.
2007-08-13 20:06:09
104.   overkill94
I was hoping they would make a change just to hope for another Merlin moment. Hopefully we can catch lightning in a bottle with Shea for at least a week or two.

I was assuming Saenz would be DFAed, but I guess this way we can just wait until rosters expand to bring Young back.

2007-08-13 20:06:46
105.   ucladodger
If I'm Delwyn Young, i want out of this organization as quickly as possible.
2007-08-13 20:07:44
106.   Marty
Hillenbrand gets a couple hits in Vegas and of course he gets a call up. It's like Hendrickson getting hot in Tampa, so Ned trades for him.

Well, at least we have a character guy now.

2007-08-13 20:08:42
107.   overkill94
Chad's gotta be more consistent in terms of his tendency to nibble. You don't have to make a perfect pitch every time, sometimes it's okay to throw one down the middle on the first pitch or on a 2-1 pitch.
2007-08-13 20:09:14
108.   still bevens
Isnt Hillenbrand Nomar v2.0 but hits for less average and has a foul temperment?
2007-08-13 20:09:45
109.   Bob Timmermann
Hillenbrand will be the newest member of the Dodger-Angel club.

And he will be on his third NL West team. Sweeney is on his fourth.

2007-08-13 20:10:07
110.   still bevens
105 Would you say that its a sinking ship, to borrow a phrase?
2007-08-13 20:10:32
111.   El Lay Dave
104 Hopefully we can catch lightning in a bottle with Shea

before he gets into a fistfight with Grady. Hillenbrand is washed-up AND bad in the clubhouse. What a waste.

Last time I saw Delwyn Young, he was coming out of the game with calf problems. Should he now come out and say his calves are pulled and ask for the DL?

2007-08-13 20:11:24
112.   overkill94
We're already finding it hard to get Kemp in the lineup, what made you guys think Young would get much of a chance? At least this way we have a better backup at 3B than Lucille II.

It's only an 18 day demotion, I think Delwyn will live.

2007-08-13 20:12:24
113.   King of the Hobos
106 Roberto Hernandez pitched one scoreless inning for Vegas before being called up. Seems like Ned doesn't mind how bad they were previously in the year, as long as they're proven vets.
2007-08-13 20:13:11
114.   Dodgers49
105. If I were Delwyn Young I'd be tempted to join Tony Abreu on the Restricted List.
2007-08-13 20:14:05
115.   trainwreck
Yeah, but you may be better than Lucille II. It really does not take much, I mean Shea Hillebrand can do it.
2007-08-13 20:14:12
116.   ucladodger

no, i'd say its not being given a chance. Its not like Delwyn is some young prospect being made wait hit turn. He's 25 years old and was tearing up the PCL. He gets promoted to a team that cant score, produces when given a chance, then is kept on the bench and then demoted for a guy who has been cut twice this year already. Not exactly a vote of confidence for his future prospects in this organization.

2007-08-13 20:14:46
117.   King of the Hobos
111 Hopefully Delwyn's agent isn't Boras.
2007-08-13 20:15:10
118.   El Lay Dave
Hillenbrand 2007: .254 .275 .325 OPS+ 61
Lucille II 2007: .171 .231 .200 14

Dog food is as good as steak to the starving man. But it is still dog food. The Dodgers and their fans deserve better.

2007-08-13 20:16:54
119.   MJW101
Is it possible for Ned to make any logical decisions? Is there another plane of existence that only Ned lives on? How can he consistently make so many bad decisions one after another?
2007-08-13 20:17:59
120.   Bluebleeder87
we really should have just kept Betemit (for the power & on base %) & just called up Meloan I don't know these resent moves or just weird.

ps Hillenbrand was let go by 2 TEAMS!! that's a red flag right there Ned!!

2007-08-13 20:18:23
121.   Bob Timmermann
And for one night, the people of DT stopped hating Juan Pierre and instead started hating Shea Hillenbrand.

It was a night of magic. A night of wonder.

Such is the power of Shea.

2007-08-13 20:19:35
122.   Scanman33
How discouraging. You're a young player who comes up, you go 7 for 14 and then you're told that's not quite good enough so we're going to bring up the guy who was s-canned from two other contending organizations that need offense who is OPSing under .600 this season.
2007-08-13 20:20:25
123.   Gen3Blue
One thing I think we can say is "Chads going to be allright. Now we just need to develop a few more pitchers or pay 10 mil to a few guys who get lucky!
2007-08-13 20:20:48
124.   El Lay Dave
Is Shea Hillenbrand the guy you want to add to what I imagine is already a on-edge, prickly locker room?
2007-08-13 20:21:24
125.   underdog
I don't get this Hillenbrand move at all. Is Young still hurt? Or just too... young? Sweeney I was totally on board with, but bringing up Hillenbrand? And keeping Saenz? And Martinez? That's just... lame.

Oh well, at least we have each other to commiserate with when things go awry or weird or weirdly awry.

Everything would look better if they would just win some games.

2007-08-13 20:21:46
126.   Robert Daeley
So, anybody want to lay odds on a Tony Abreu/Jose Contreras trade in the next week? ;)
2007-08-13 20:22:08
127.   King of the Hobos
Tomo Ohka has been released three times this year. Do I smell Friday's starter?
2007-08-13 20:22:39
128.   Marty
121 We haven't stopped hating him. We've just stopped talking about him for a bit.
2007-08-13 20:24:02
129.   ucladodger
this might be Chad's last inning.
2007-08-13 20:25:04
130.   Scanman33
126-As long as Contreras isn't a Boras guy. Because it's good business for the Dodgers if Colletti just ignores Boras clients.
2007-08-13 20:26:40
131.   King of the Hobos
Everything's in place for the third straight 1-0 loss for Billingsley.
2007-08-13 20:26:59
132.   Vaudeville Villain
There's something particularly galling to me about this Hillenbrand move. It's not going to be a big deal in terms of our success for this year, but it just feels like this is the straw that broke the camel's back, at least for me, about my opinion of Coletti.

I've been willing to accept the, "Yeah, but he hasn't traded any stud prospects!" defense for a while, but this veteran infatuation is becoming really tired and annoying.

2007-08-13 20:27:35
133.   Bob Timmermann
The stage is set for three straight 1-0 losses.
2007-08-13 20:28:56
134.   trainwreck
Feel the exact same way.
2007-08-13 20:29:40
135.   trainwreck
Well, except the part about not judging Ned before this lol.
2007-08-13 20:29:44
136.   Scanman33
Depodesta didn't trade any stud prospects and he didn't receive all the glad-handing that Colletti did.
2007-08-13 20:30:48
137.   underdog
So the BlueNotes guys wrote: "Mark Hendrickson is heading back to the pen, starting tomorrow. Grady wouldn't say who will take his spot in the rotation, but he would reveal that said hurler is not currently with the team. So it could still be AK."

AK? What/who am I missing?

Think it'll be Stults? Or are they trying to acquire a Contreras or something?

2007-08-13 20:32:49
138.   King of the Hobos
136 He traded our stud veteran catcher though.
2007-08-13 20:32:54
139.   MMSMikey
2007-08-13 20:34:16
140.   Jon Weisman
Nomar seems to be trying to get ejected.

And there he goes!

2007-08-13 20:34:21
141.   natepurcell
Yes i think the Shea is coming in!
2007-08-13 20:34:27
142.   Vaudeville Villain
Nomar got run from the game. Martinex, baby!
2007-08-13 20:34:28
143.   Bluebleeder87
wow, you don't see Garciaparra going at it with an ump very often.
2007-08-13 20:34:40
144.   MMSMikey
that veteran middle of the lineup puting some good at bats together, this is getting ugly.
2007-08-13 20:35:00
145.   overkill94
I like that Nomar's fired up, I just wish he would use it on a call that was actually bad.

Or, you know, by hitting the ball hard sometimes.

2007-08-13 20:35:08
146.   Jon Weisman
Good of Channel 9 to postpone going to commercial so we could see that.

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Shea Stadium!

2007-08-13 20:35:45
147.   trainwreck
At least Nomar's attempting to get the players riled up. I wish Nomar wasn't bad, he is a player you want to root for.
2007-08-13 20:35:45
148.   trainwreck
At least Nomar's attempting to get the players riled up. I wish Nomar wasn't bad, he is a player you want to root for.
2007-08-13 20:36:00
149.   ucladodger
That was the most excitement from a Dodger standpoint in the last two weeks.
2007-08-13 20:36:43
150.   El Lay Dave
137 Tim Harikkala is available, cheap. He's 36 !
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2007-08-13 20:36:49
151.   Jon Weisman
Ball or strike, it was a great pitch from Oswalt. Borderline pitch.
2007-08-13 20:37:08
152.   ucladodger
Shea! whoopie
2007-08-13 20:37:16
153.   natepurcell
2007-08-13 20:37:20
154.   overkill94
I didn't realize Hillenbrand was already with the team
2007-08-13 20:37:49
155.   Im So Blue
137 AK? What/who am I missing?
I think this refers to the blogger, Andrew Kamenetzky.
2007-08-13 20:38:20
156.   Bluebleeder87
but this veteran infatuation is becoming really tired and annoying.

very true, it also doesn't send good vibes to the youngsters. That's the one thing about Ned that really urks me.

2007-08-13 20:38:27
157.   underdog
You know what I like about Nomar did there - not striking out, and that was a borderline strike call, but it could go either way - but just that he showed some emotion, got PO'd, did something to get the team motivated and awake and angry for once. I think he was showing weeks of frustration bubbling up finally above the surface.

The bad thing he did there was forcing the Dodgers to put Shea Hillenbrand in there.

2007-08-13 20:38:42
158.   Bob Timmermann
Shea Hillenbrand, number 28 in your program, number 8532 in your heart.
2007-08-13 20:39:09
159.   Branch Rickey
If Nomar doesn't want to be called on strikes, perhaps he shouldn't take strike 3 right down the middle. Can't believe he chose that pitch to get run.
2007-08-13 20:39:26
160.   El Lay Dave
The last time Hillenbrand made the majority of his appearances at 3B was 2002.
2007-08-13 20:40:03
161.   El Lay Dave
158 I am embarrassed for Wes Parker.
2007-08-13 20:40:07
162.   natepurcell

to be fair, it was pretty borderline.

2007-08-13 20:40:08
163.   underdog
155 Ah, yes, you're probably right. Still doesn't make sense though "It could still be AK."?
2007-08-13 20:40:51
164.   natepurcell
That was really annoying by Berkman.
2007-08-13 20:41:34
165.   ucladodger
Gonzo really ran that ball down!
2007-08-13 20:42:06
166.   Vaudeville Villain
Man, Chad's making a lot of pitches.
2007-08-13 20:42:16
167.   Bluebleeder87
bad start to this inning, I'm guessing Bills is kind of up there in the pitch count department.
2007-08-13 20:42:21
168.   max power
the way things have been going, my money's on Big David Wells starting for us Friday...
2007-08-13 20:42:27
169.   Gen3Blue
Whoever predicted the one run that would beat us would be in the 5th is close enough to win the beans. Of course I used to hope we could get into the opponents bull-pen.
But then it ceased to matter as the slump became all consuming. Its amazing--isn't it?
2007-08-13 20:42:46
170.   PDH5204
Jon, time to play the infield in.
2007-08-13 20:42:47
171.   MMSMikey
i dont know, looked like oswalt made a perfect pitch that carved the inside corner.
2007-08-13 20:43:12
172.   Branch Rickey
162. Heart of the plate. Only possibility was low but I think you'll get rung on that pitch 9 out of 10 times. Nomar should recognize that. That was just pure frustration.
2007-08-13 20:43:17
173.   Im So Blue
163 Down at the bottom of that post are the initials BK, so I think Brian Kamenetzky was referring to his brother, AK.
2007-08-13 20:43:54
174.   MMSMikey
could that 1-1 pitch have been anymore right down the middle
2007-08-13 20:44:06
175.   Branch Rickey
Well, at least no 1-0 loss for Bills tonight.
2007-08-13 20:44:10
176.   Suffering Bruin
So, how's the team been doing since I've been gone? (sigh)
2007-08-13 20:44:15
177.   Vaudeville Villain
There goes the 1-0 streak.
2007-08-13 20:44:37
178.   El Lay Dave
Hillenbrand played no 3B for the Angels. 26 games for the Blue Jays in '06; he made six errors.

This is the closest I have come to wanting to see a Dodger fail. I almost want to see Hillenbrand boot a ball and Oswalt make him look silly.

2007-08-13 20:45:14
179.   Branch Rickey
Or 2-0 either.
2007-08-13 20:45:16
180.   ucladodger
2007-08-13 20:45:16
181.   natepurcell

i dont know what AB you were watching but it was clearly borderline inside corner. but whatever, its done with and the dodgers look to be done in this game too.

2007-08-13 20:45:35
182.   Bluebleeder87
2007-08-13 20:45:37
183.   Suffering Bruin
Nomar ejection: that's on the ump. The player was restrained, was going to the dugout, did not appear to say anything that was worse than what was already said but the ump just had to stare him down and then toss him.

Up until that point, I thought the ump handled it well.

2007-08-13 20:46:13
184.   El Lay Dave
Billingsley is due up third in the bottom of the inning. How long will Grady go before a pitching change, if it comes to that?
2007-08-13 20:46:16
185.   MMSMikey
perfect time to double switch, yank gonzo put in kemp.
2007-08-13 20:46:41
186.   Suffering Bruin
86mph slider that hung as if it was on a tee.
2007-08-13 20:46:58
187.   El Lay Dave
184 correction, not if, when.
2007-08-13 20:47:11
188.   trainwreck
Roberto huh, well I guess Grady doesn't think we can score 4 or more runs.

Guess I can't blame him.

2007-08-13 20:47:27
189.   Suffering Bruin
181 Yep. My post seems dang superfluous.
2007-08-13 20:47:47
190.   El Lay Dave
Jason Lane, prior to tonight: 171 .234 .350 .584


2007-08-13 20:48:47
191.   Branch Rickey
183. As Scully pointed out, ump said "that's enough" several times. As demonstrative as Nomar was being, he easily could have been run earlier. I'm not trying to be disagreeable but seriously, he was begging to be kicked out.
2007-08-13 20:48:48
192.   underdog
That really was a strike that Nomar got steamed over, it's true. A tough pitch to hit as much as it was to take. (There was also a clear strike that Billingsley threw that the same ump didn't call a strike, right before the RBI single.) What the ump should have done, though, was turn his back and let Nomar walk off. Umps used to let players blow steam more, now they want to take center stage.

Hey, it got Shea in the game. He will take us to the promised land!

2007-08-13 20:49:16
193.   Bluebleeder87
Loney disappears in a sea of fans
2007-08-13 20:49:19
194.   underdog
Good effort by Loney to almost disappear into the stands there. At least he still cares!
2007-08-13 20:49:25
195.   ucladodger

totally disagree. He told Nomar "that's enough" about 3 times and Nomar looked back twice and said something when being carried to the dugout. Cant blame the ump there at all.
2007-08-13 20:49:35
196.   Vaudeville Villain
Wow, lucky Loney didn't get hurt there.
2007-08-13 20:50:05
197.   natepurcell

i agree. Nomar was just being a nice guy and wanted to get SHEA!!! some reps at 3b.

2007-08-13 20:50:20
198.   El Lay Dave
Ausmus, Oswalt - Chad can still finish this inning and be PH for.
2007-08-13 20:50:51
199.   underdog
It's nice that Chad found some inner strength to get through that inning at least, but I'm kinda tired of seeing him have to find inner strength in the 5th inning after he goes over 100 pitches, again.
2007-08-13 20:51:16
200.   Suffering Bruin
195 Dammit, man! We're Bruins! We cannot possibly disagree!
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2007-08-13 20:52:03
201.   Bob Timmermann
Looking over at the press box, it appears that Tony Jackson has ripped the letter L off his computer keyboard and is honing it into a blade in an attempt to slice his wrists open.
2007-08-13 20:52:06
202.   underdog
Argh, I wish it didn't make me and my fingers, and then my slow wireless connection, so long to post anything. It ends up feeling even more pointless than it did after it left my hands.
2007-08-13 20:52:08
203.   Bluebleeder87
Umps used to let players blow steam more, now they want to take center stage.

I blame that frame of thought on television, everybody wants to be primadonnas, the one thing that REALLY erks me is when they take there sweet time calling balls & strikes, just call it DARN IT!.

2007-08-13 20:52:19
204.   natepurcell
116 pitches huh? awesome!
2007-08-13 20:52:35
205.   ucladodger

Lol. You're right, so just admit Nomar deserved to get rung!

2007-08-13 20:53:02
206.   El Lay Dave
Nomar and Hillenbrand were teammates in Boston. Wonder what Nomar thought of him, and if he was asked about Hillenbrand?
2007-08-13 20:53:17
207.   underdog
I still think Nomar tried to get thrown out on purpose to fire up the team and also because he's been entirely sucky these past couple of weeks.
2007-08-13 20:53:57
208.   Suffering Bruin
I just saw this from Jon:

Instead of Wilson Betemit and Jonathan Meloan, the Dodgers now have Shea Hillenbrand and Scott Proctor.

I want to curl up in the fetal position and sob.

2007-08-13 20:53:59
209.   underdog
Pierre's a one-man offensive threat tonight!

Take that any way you like.

2007-08-13 20:54:04
210.   Branch Rickey
200. I'm a Bruin too so there is unrest in Westwood.
2007-08-13 20:54:12
211.   trainwreck
Yeah, I thought that was obvious.
2007-08-13 20:54:30
212.   silverwidow
So who's getting DFA'd on Friday: Saenz or Hernandez?
2007-08-13 20:54:41
213.   underdog
Can't buy a break.
2007-08-13 20:54:57
214.   Scanman33
Shea you
Shea Me
Shea Always
That's the way it should be
2007-08-13 20:55:08
215.   Suffering Bruin
201 LOL.
2007-08-13 20:55:12
216.   underdog
212 c) both?
2007-08-13 20:55:28
217.   dzzrtRatt
"Shea will soon be gone."
-- John from Cincinnati
2007-08-13 20:56:21
218.   Marty
The Princess Bride is on in 5 minutes on Cinemax. I'm going to watch that.
2007-08-13 20:56:25
219.   Gen3Blue
With the sound off it looked like perhaps small head was on first and Loney lined to second? Or maybe I'm out of synch.
2007-08-13 20:57:07
220.   Vaudeville Villain
Ethier lined to second, not Loney.
2007-08-13 20:57:12
221.   underdog
201 More efficient than trying to hang himself with his iPod cable.
2007-08-13 20:57:30
222.   Marty
217 I don't know Colletti instead.
2007-08-13 20:57:58
223.   overkill94
207 So do I. He's been struggling for a while now and I remember him getting wrung up on pitches more questionable than that one. He seemed destined to be thrown out as soon as he turned around because he came out firing.

Unless the ump said something about Mia under his breath while making the strike 3 call, it looked like Nomar was simply trying to stir things up.

2007-08-13 20:58:02
224.   Suffering Bruin
Well aright, Mr. Sweeney.
2007-08-13 20:58:05
225.   underdog
At least Sweeney doesn't suck.


I'm waiting 'til 10:30 for Californication on Showtime.

2007-08-13 20:58:10
226.   Bluebleeder87
I still think we can win this game!

come on Furcal you can do it.

2007-08-13 20:58:34
227.   Scanman33
Vin sounds way too into Sweeney's pursuit of history as he runs down Lenny Harris's all time pinch-hit record.
2007-08-13 20:58:47
228.   El Lay Dave
110 That was a sly Hillenbrand reference, wasn't it. I missed it the first time!
2007-08-13 20:58:56
229.   Bob Timmermann
From my distant perspective, Nomar committed suicide by umpire.
2007-08-13 20:59:08
230.   Suffering Bruin
Rally caps, folks. Get 'em on.
2007-08-13 21:00:14
231.   Bluebleeder87
if anything at least we won't get shut out, that's for sure.
2007-08-13 21:00:24
232.   overkill94
Pierre almost got caught with his pants down there by not hustling. If Sweeney had been out, that run wouldn't have scored.
2007-08-13 21:00:25
233.   max power
207 that's exactly what it looked like from club level...
2007-08-13 21:00:40
234.   dzzrtRatt
Time for a few hits in a row. It's been done many times in baseball history. The Dodgers make it look rare, but it has been known to happen.

I disagree with Steve Lyons that home runs are rally killers.

Sacrifice flies are rally killers.

2007-08-13 21:00:42
235.   kegtron
Lets go Russell!!
2007-08-13 21:00:49
236.   Suffering Bruin
This man is due.
2007-08-13 21:01:20
237.   Suffering Bruin
Ball 1 was a carbon copy of the last pitch Nomar saw.
2007-08-13 21:01:58
238.   kegtron
2007-08-13 21:02:11
239.   PDH5204
230 For a rally, we would have needed for Rafi to lean into that one inside pitch. There's otherwise a reason why they've created protective body armor for hitters.
2007-08-13 21:02:25
240.   Branch Rickey
Dodger runs are like dog years. One seems like seven.
2007-08-13 21:03:06
241.   Bob Timmermann
The sacrifice fly eases the pain.
2007-08-13 21:03:22
242.   overkill94
At least with Lurch in the bullpen we'll finally have a long guy again. He's really a pretty competent reliever.

You've gotta think Saenz will be the one DFAed come Friday. Lucille II makes some sense as well since guys like Wilson Valdez provide the same amount of defensive value and offensive crappiness.

2007-08-13 21:03:27
243.   Bluebleeder87

[chuckles] the reserve level is giving you a certain edge today Bob that I can't quite pin point. :o)

2007-08-13 21:03:43
244.   El Lay Dave
212 Hillenbrand, after he picks a fight with Matt Kemp and writes "this is a sinking ship" on a clubhouse white board. (Thanks still bevens.)
2007-08-13 21:04:45
245.   El Lay Dave
The run scores, but the sac fly LOWERS the OBP with RISP.
2007-08-13 21:05:28
246.   Bluebleeder87
ou've gotta think Saenz will be the one DFAed come Friday.

the Tomato is much respected by upper management for that to happen in my honest opinion.

2007-08-13 21:05:33
247.   MMSMikey
i was really dissapointed in john from cincinatti. the 1st 2 episodes were good. went downgill after that.
2007-08-13 21:05:48
248.   Suffering Bruin
And that, ladies and gentlemen watching on television, is what separates Vincent Edward Scully from virtually every name announcer working in baseball today. His main gift is really something that anyone can do--have enthusiasm for what you do and for what you are seeing.
2007-08-13 21:05:55
249.   El Lay Dave
241 The sac fly is the opiate of the baseball masses.
2007-08-13 21:07:05
250.   Suffering Bruin
240 Are having a contest for best lines of the season? 'Cause I'm nominating that one.
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2007-08-13 21:07:17
251.   overkill94
246 Then who, Hernandez?
2007-08-13 21:07:58
252.   El Lay Dave
I'm hitting the road home. There are 33 miles in my commute, about 26 on the 405. How many time will Rick Monday give me the score? (Rhetorical question - I am not going to count.)
2007-08-13 21:08:37
253.   dzzrtRatt
Is Hernandez throwing hard, or are my eyes just slow?
2007-08-13 21:08:48
254.   Suffering Bruin
Hunter Pence = Pedro Guerrero
2007-08-13 21:09:30
255.   capdodger
248 Can you imagine what that 2,000-member Sym-phony game must have sounded like?
2007-08-13 21:09:35
256.   trainwreck
If the Astros are bad enough to make Roberto Hernandez look good, how bad are we?
2007-08-13 21:09:35
257.   Branch Rickey
250. Sure, now that you know I'm a fellow Bruin! =)
2007-08-13 21:09:50
258.   Suffering Bruin
252 You won't have to count.
2007-08-13 21:10:24
259.   dzzrtRatt
252 You'd probably hear the Dodger score more often if you tuned it to another station.
2007-08-13 21:10:39
260.   Bluebleeder87
we're only down 3 runs I truly feel we can come back I know we've been slumping of late but one clutch hit or home run can really change the tides, I really feel.
2007-08-13 21:10:48
261.   natepurcell


2007-08-13 21:11:04
262.   capdodger
253 GD+ has him at 92 on the fastballs, 83 on the breaking stuff.
2007-08-13 21:12:15
263.   underdog
At least Hernandez did what Chad didn't or couldn't - go after Roy Oswalt.
2007-08-13 21:12:30
264.   Branch Rickey
260. I feel like a million bucks. Unfortunately, I am not a million bucks.
2007-08-13 21:13:19
265.   trainwreck
Does anyone else find Kent's choice of batting song funny?
2007-08-13 21:13:26
266.   MMSMikey
c'mon jeff find a gap
2007-08-13 21:14:38
267.   dzzrtRatt
Coletti's fetish for men in their late 30s and early 40s is almost kinky. He's been on a rampage lately: Hernandez, Hillenbrand, Sweeney, Moeller, plus his inability to part with Saenz. Ned's going to hit bottom soon and he'll need SVA*. For a team that's mostly known in the baseball community for its great young prospects, it is weird that we are fielding a team that resembles the aged Giants.

*Seasoned Veterans Anonymous

2007-08-13 21:14:58
268.   MMSMikey
c'mon luis find a gap
2007-08-13 21:15:06
269.   Bluebleeder87
man, Kent has been killing our chances today. sigh.
2007-08-13 21:15:21
270.   capdodger
Outside. Nice frame, though.
2007-08-13 21:15:56
271.   natepurcell
is the draft signing deadline 9pm PT tuesday night?
2007-08-13 21:16:35
272.   trainwreck
Mark Ellis has more home runs than anyone on the Dodgers.
2007-08-13 21:16:41
273.   Bob Timmermann
Shea Time!
2007-08-13 21:16:43
274.   overkill94
254 Pence has one of the goofiest swings I've ever seen on a major leaguer. It truly baffles my mind how well he can hit with such an unassuming cut.
2007-08-13 21:16:59
275.   trainwreck
I thought it was Wednesday night.
2007-08-13 21:17:08
276.   Suffering Bruin
For a team that's mostly known in the baseball community for its great young prospects, it is weird that we are fielding a team that resembles the aged Giants.


2007-08-13 21:17:09
277.   overkill94
Time for Shea to right this ship!
2007-08-13 21:17:10
278.   natepurcell
I want a SHEA!!! shot.
2007-08-13 21:17:18
279.   Bluebleeder87
how ironic, Hillenbrand up representing the tying run.
2007-08-13 21:18:18
280.   underdog
267 Heh. Maybe so. Though I think Moeller was just signed as 3rd catcher insurance when rosters expand because the other guys they have at the AAA level are pretty bad.

Be nice to see Shea quiet us naysayers down for a little while.

2007-08-13 21:18:24
281.   dzzrtRatt
Hillenbrand is only 32? Seems like he's been on the skid a lot longer than that. I remember rumors about the Dodgers trading for him back around 2001 or so, and he was a journeyman then.

Or so it seems to my enfeebled mind.

2007-08-13 21:18:39
282.   underdog
But, he doesn't.
2007-08-13 21:18:43
283.   overkill94
That's about right
2007-08-13 21:18:44
284.   trainwreck
Sure glad we got that guy.
2007-08-13 21:18:47
285.   King of the Hobos
Great debut for Hillenbrand.
2007-08-13 21:18:48
286.   dzzrtRatt
Shea fits right in!
2007-08-13 21:19:04
287.   Suffering Bruin
Now that was one hard hit ground ball! (Just trying to stay positive...)
2007-08-13 21:19:05
288.   Robert Daeley
267 The aged Giants... plus a bunch of world-class youngsters.

Not many serviceable youngsters are available on the waiver wire, I don't think.

2007-08-13 21:19:09
289.   capdodger
2007-08-13 21:19:12
290.   Bluebleeder87
he did hit it sharply though. Not the result we wanted.
2007-08-13 21:19:28
291.   The Mootz
Shea Happens.
2007-08-13 21:19:59
292.   King of the Hobos
271 Diamond Leung says 9pm on Wednesday.
2007-08-13 21:20:20
293.   capdodger
It was a good pitch to hit. He just missed it.
2007-08-13 21:20:22
294.   underdog
281 He wasn't a journeyman in 2001 - that was his first year in the majors!

He had 20 hrs and 97 RBI's in '03.

2007-08-13 21:20:46
295.   Bob Timmermann
Hillenbrand's Angels stats were on the board briefly and then removed. Presumably they are going to start over since he switched leagues.

So now he will get to bat with a nice .000 on the board.

I miss Mike Edwards.

2007-08-13 21:21:26
296.   underdog
They're showing Rob Reiner on ESPN - maybe we can bring him in to hit.
2007-08-13 21:21:31
297.   King of the Hobos
281 2001 was actually Hillenbrand's rookie season.
2007-08-13 21:21:59
298.   underdog
Free Delwyn Young!
2007-08-13 21:22:02
299.   MMSMikey
dewlyn young was perfectly capable of hitting into a DP right there.
2007-08-13 21:23:24
300.   scooplew
I took a self-enforced mental health hiatus from the Dodgers for about a week, not following the progress (or lack thereof) of the games. I return to see Shea Hillenbrand -- Shea Hillenbrand? -- batting. It might be time for another week off for me. Excuse me, but wasn't Young hitting about .500? Maybe Little needs a bunch of guys closer to his age to play poker with.
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2007-08-13 21:23:45
301.   Bluebleeder87
um, that was one of the better throws from Gonzalez
2007-08-13 21:23:48
302.   capdodger
295 I miss Mike Edwards.

Heck. I miss C--i. At least he would have TTOed there and could have made one out.

2007-08-13 21:24:20
303.   dzzrtRatt
276 It really is ridiculous. The wheels have come off Colleti's head. A smart GM would look at the current situation and say, "Yeah, we're technically still in the pennant race, but this team will not close the deal. Let's play the kids -- Young, Abreu, Meloan, McDonald in addition to Loney, Kemp, Ethier, Martin -- and see how it goes. If we're lucky, they get hot, and we go into the postseason as massive underdogs but with a lot of upside. If not, they flail around but get valuable experience to be put to use next season." Isn't that what Bill Plaschke essentially invited Ned to do in his famous column? Step back from the mania to win a pennant in '07 and instead play the younger guys?

Hillenbrand is a statement from Colleti, in two parts:

1) I'm in this pennant race to win it, and I'll pull in all the seasoned veterans I can get to put us over the top;

2) I have no idea what I'm doing.

2007-08-13 21:25:01
304.   trainwreck
Plus we could say, "You've just be Reiner'd."
2007-08-13 21:26:08
305.   scooplew
303 I vote for 2)
2007-08-13 21:26:24
306.   underdog
Y'all who are not watching the ESPN telecast missed Sutcliffe's scintillating Barbara Eden story.
2007-08-13 21:27:00
307.   underdog
304 At least it would keep him from making more movies.
2007-08-13 21:27:57
308.   overkill94
303 While things look bleak, there's still almost 7 weeks left to play. While it may be true that the kids could do just as well, the only place where (currently) it would seem to make a difference is playing Kemp over Gonzo. I'm sure if they're still 6 games out of first come September we'll get a healthy dose of the youngsters, but for now there's still at least some hope.
2007-08-13 21:28:26
309.   trainwreck
Please tell me you saw the South Park episode with him.
2007-08-13 21:29:14
310.   Suffering Bruin
303 It reminds of what Bill James once wrote about a team (I think he was writing about the Angels): "They start winning with the kids. They keep winning with the kids. Then, they bring in the vets which tells the kids, 'Thanks, but we're going to go with the guys who know how to win.'"

I mean, I hate to tap into a topic that I'm sure by now has been tilled to death but is there any good reason why Shea Hillenbrand is on this roster?

2007-08-13 21:29:32
311.   overkill94
Plus, most of our quabbling seems to be about the 25th man on the team. I know we all love to micromanage, but does it really matter whether Delwyn Young or Shea Hillenbrand is on the roster?
2007-08-13 21:29:41
312.   kegtron
I would not be surprised to see Matt Kemp optioned to AAA on or before Friday.
2007-08-13 21:29:47
313.   Bluebleeder87

it just seems like he's over thinking right now (common sense will set him free) I still have faith in our sophomore G.M.

2007-08-13 21:30:26
314.   dzzrtRatt
305 2) is the necessary corollary to 1). The idea that this team is close to being a contender is accurate, but the idea that Shea Hillenbrand will make any kind of positive difference is delusional. Every minute he plays is a waste of our time. The additional player we need this season is not available now from any other team at a price we can pay. The player we need might be in the minors. He might be Delwyn Young, for example. Odds are not in favor of that, but it's still the best available bet. Amazing that Colleti doesn't see that. That's why I think he's on some sort of old-guy bender and needs an intervention.
2007-08-13 21:30:33
315.   Branch Rickey
303. I usually agree strongly with your posts. But as has been pointed out before, the Dodgers ARE playing kids. I won't name them all but go through the list. I agree that Hillendbrand is no savior but we have played more kids this year than I can ever remember. If he doesn't play every kid in the system, that doesn't mean he is against playing them in general. And there are only 9 guys on the field. If D. Young is the future, isn't possible he's better served playing every day in Vegas?
2007-08-13 21:30:36
316.   Bob Timmermann
The crowd is in a surprisingly good mood. Then again, few are paying attention.
2007-08-13 21:33:00
317.   natepurcell
Boras got 7.3mil out of the Tigers for Porcello.
2007-08-13 21:33:18
318.   underdog
Btw, this was BK's response to my commenting on BlueNotes wondering why the heck we needed to bring up Hillenbrand (and not keep Young, and not bring up Meloan). I generally really like Brian's postings, but wondered what y'all thought:
"Meloan might be up sooner than that. Young wasn't needed, great game aside. They won't get him regular at bats. It's not a question of not trusting youth. If LaRoche was healthy, he'd be up here (and currently playing third now that Nomar has been tossed). Or Abreu. They need a guy who can play the corners, especially w/ Saenz apparently unable to hit. There's no eqivalent in AAA. Given all the young players that have been through or are currently on the roster, the notion that they don't play or trust youth is a little tough for me to accept. Every young player, with the possible exception of Young and Meloan, who can help is here."
2007-08-13 21:33:27
319.   Bluebleeder87
Beimel is amazing with those come backers, Greg Brock is smiling some where in southern california watching that.
2007-08-13 21:33:39
320.   natepurcell
also a major league contract! officially INSANE!
2007-08-13 21:34:00
321.   trainwreck
I haven't had Orangina in awhile, this stuff is great!
2007-08-13 21:34:33
322.   Izzy
The Dodger site healine is "Pierre Produces Run in the Fifth."
A run is a headline now. Sad.
Plus it sounds too much like he's having a baby, or something.
2007-08-13 21:35:04
323.   underdog
315 I think that's fair. And as I posted above, BK seems to think along the same lines. I did respond that "they wouldn't have needed a back up 3B with some pop if they hadn't traded Betemit in the first place" as part of the domino effect of moves, but I did see his point (especially after Nomar got tossed tonight).
2007-08-13 21:35:17
324.   natepurcell
new favorite DT Beer behind newcastle....Blue Moon with a orange slice...has to be from the tap though.
2007-08-13 21:35:38
325.   trainwreck
317 and 320

Well, I guess the Tigers liked Porcello as much as I did. I know it is a huge risk, but the possible pay-off with that guy is tremendous.

2007-08-13 21:36:47
326.   Suffering Bruin
Juan Pierre, Dodger star of the game.
2007-08-13 21:37:13
327.   trainwreck
My friend got so mad that the bar we were at last week did not have orange slices for our Blue Moon.
2007-08-13 21:37:20
328.   underdog
This ump's homeplate moves around more than a hippie's hackysack.

Hey give Slappy some credit, he's getting on base tonight - more than most of these guys can say.

2007-08-13 21:37:49
329.   MMSMikey
poor adres just hits line drives right at people
2007-08-13 21:38:00
330.   natepurcell

i like porcello alot too but he's not worth 6mil more then Kershaw.

2007-08-13 21:38:13
331.   underdog
"Hit 'em where they ain't."
Sigh. That could be on this year's team's epitaph.
2007-08-13 21:38:15
332.   Suffering Bruin
317 320 Unbelievable. Scott Boras must now hypnosis or something.
2007-08-13 21:38:35
333.   natepurcell
My friend got so mad that the bar we were at last week did not have orange slices for our Blue Moon.

thats blasphemous!

2007-08-13 21:39:05
334.   Bob Timmermann
In the words of Reggie Jackson, "If you're going to stand on a corner, you have to swing the pole."


Use Shea Hillenbrand as an example.

2007-08-13 21:39:32
335.   Bluebleeder87
ESPN is really pimping our youth.
2007-08-13 21:39:44
336.   dzzrtRatt
315 Obviously, you're right on the fact that we are playing a lot of kids. But it seems like Coletti is trying to achieve some kind of mythical balance between exciting young players and relatively worthless veterans. If Troy Glaus had shown up instead of Hillenbrand, I might not like the deal, but I could see how it might help us win this year. It's Colleti's obsession with these marginal aging players that bugs me. If we're not good enough to make the playoffs, fine, we're not good enough. Play the kids more and more of them, and get their experience curve behind them. But Colleti has seemingly fooled himself into thinking that if he plays these marginal role players, he's giving the Dodgers a better shot at the playoffs.

I realize a lot of our slump is due to bad luck -- injuries, hard-hit balls finding gloves, etc. But it is what it is. We're very unlikely to catch Arizona and San Diego and Chicago. But if we think Hillenbrand or Hernandez bring us any closer, it's absurd.

2007-08-13 21:39:54
337.   Branch Rickey
Watch Kemp's hips. His first move is backwards, even on a fastball away. That has to change if he is ever going to be great.
2007-08-13 21:40:32
338.   trainwreck
True, but I think that says more about the type of person Kershaw is.
2007-08-13 21:40:59
339.   King of the Hobos
Meloan struggled tonight, walking two and hitting a batter in an inning of work. Took him 34 pitches to get out of the innning.
2007-08-13 21:43:02
340.   ucladodger

His swing has gotten all screwed up since he's gotten irregular playing time. Its pretty obvious. He just doesnt have his rhythm. Oswalt's first pitch he would normally crush, but he swung rigt through it. Thanks to KCAL, we didnt even get to see him hit the ball.

2007-08-13 21:43:04
341.   Vaudeville Villain
The problem is not that Coletti brings in veterans, it is that he seems completely unable to deduce which veterans would help the team.
2007-08-13 21:43:21
342.   Suffering Bruin
I hope to read tomorrow that I should have stayed awake and watched a great comeback.

Night all.

2007-08-13 21:45:19
343.   underdog
If I were Grady I would just bench a lot of starters, tomorrow. Play Hillenbrand, what the heck. If they still had DYoung I'd start him. I'd start Lieberthal, even. Keep Loney in there. Put in Kemp for Gonzo... Er, I'm trying to find a way this works without bringing in Martinez, though.

Heck, if he hadn't come in tonight, I'd start Broxton for 2 innings, rather than what will be 2 bad first innings of Tomko. Mix it up. Go crazy!

2007-08-13 21:45:23
344.   Branch Rickey
336. I hear you. But if you think about it, at the point you are playing all the young players you think can make an impact (along with your free agent vets) and it's August and you need to make some moves, what real choice do you have? You can't pick up hot young talent off the waiver wire. You could call up the marginal young players, but they are just that and calling them up early could actually hurt their growth. Guys like Hillenbrand really are your only choice. I'm not saying I agree with it completely but I see how it comes to this.
2007-08-13 21:45:34
345.   Branch Rickey
336. I hear you. But if you think about it, at the point you are playing all the young players you think can make an impact (along with your free agent vets) and it's August and you need to make some moves, what real choice do you have? You can't pick up hot young talent off the waiver wire. You could call up the marginal young players, but they are just that and calling them up early could actually hurt their growth. Guys like Hillenbrand really are your only choice. I'm not saying I agree with it completely but I see how it comes to this.
2007-08-13 21:46:06
346.   underdog
339 Shhh! Don't tell management!
2007-08-13 21:47:07
347.   underdog
And hey, at least guys like Hillenbrand haven't cost us anything.
2007-08-13 21:48:29
348.   Eric Stephen
Kemp is 3 for his last 35, with 0 RBI and 1 run in 36 PA (since July 21). Here's hoping he snaps out of it soon.

Only one lefty starting for the Astros this series -- Wandy Rodriguez on Thursday. Dodgers will face another in Jeff Francis on Sunday.

On the Hillenbrand situation, I think LaRoche will be up as soon as he's healthy, and that Shea is only here temporarily (unless he replaces Saenz).

The quote from BK in 318 is right on.

2007-08-13 21:49:00
349.   underdog
AK (Andrew) added this note to the BlueNotes comments thread:
"I have to admit, I was also surprised by the Hillenbrand signing. Colletti truly does put a premium on "character/clubhouse" guys and that's certainly not Hillenbrand's rep. Granted, I'm only going by what I've heard, because I've only talked to the guy a couple times and it was fairly brief. But again, that's the proverbial word on the street.

Maybe the fact that Little managed him in Boston and he's been teammates with Lowe, Gonzo, Nomar, Billy Mueller. added some security. Or the obvious and desperate need for a theoretical bat trumped any insecurity. haha"
Man, it's depressing to see Roy Oswalt get another at bat this late in the game.

2007-08-13 21:49:44
350.   Vaudeville Villain

The problem is, there was no need to bring in Hillenbrand. We already had a no-hit backup 3B, and his name is Ramon Martinez. Shea's a redundant piece blocking a potentially useful offensive player in D. Young.

The problem we have with this team is hitting, and Hillenbrand does not solve that.

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2007-08-13 21:49:52
351.   Bob Timmermann
I'm getting my money's worth for this game.
2007-08-13 21:50:42
352.   Xeifrank
win expectancy of 8%. In other words, we still have a fighting chance. vr, Xei
2007-08-13 21:50:50
353.   ucladodger

I broke it down earlier, but his slump started when hed ropped the fly ball and didnt start a game for 3 days. Since then, hes been pinch hitting and spot starting. Definitely not a coincidence that he started struggling.

2007-08-13 21:51:36
354.   underdog
350 True, and yet, to play devil's advocate here, I think what AK was saying above is:
Look, Young doesn't play third; Hillenbrand is a better hitter than Martinez (he is). The question could be more, why do we still have Martinez and Saenz PLUS Hillenbrand. I can see bringing in the latter, again, if we get rid of one of those other guys. That's sort of what I question here at this point, not as much Hillenbrand vs. Young.
2007-08-13 21:51:54
355.   overkill94
What's most baffling about our current slump is that we always assumed there would be some points in the season where we'd lose a few due to not getting the key hit (due to lack of power hitting), but our offense is just plain not producing AT ALL, let alone with runners in scoring position.
2007-08-13 21:53:20
356.   underdog
remember when - say, late last season - the Dodgers would be down 3 with 2 innings left and we'd feel like they had a chance? I loved those fleeting days of yore.
2007-08-13 21:53:34
357.   Branch Rickey
350. Nobody is going to solve it this year. Hillenbrand is not the answer but A-Rod is not on the next flight out. Trading deadline has passed. Ned is throwing (fill in the blank) at the wall and seeing if anything sticks.
2007-08-13 21:55:08
358.   Bluebleeder87
Hillenbrand looks like the little green martian that use too come out on old flinstones cartoons.
2007-08-13 21:55:21
359.   PDH5204
I just wish that we had had the good sense to have Pierre steal second and third last inning. We might despise the man, but with the team absolutely not hitting, his speed is the one thing that might work to our advantage when he gets on base.
2007-08-13 21:55:28
360.   overkill94
Pierre has half our hits tonight...I think I need another drink
2007-08-13 21:56:37
361.   Branch Rickey
358. The Great Gazoo.
2007-08-13 21:56:43
362.   Vaudeville Villain

Exactly, so why not see if a guy we know has potential to be a good hitter (Young), gets hot, rather than bring in a guy we know is not a good hitter.

2007-08-13 21:57:13
363.   overkill94
357 I'm right with you BR, I think people are just grasping at straws trying to find new ways of expressing their frustration with the current state.
2007-08-13 21:57:49
364.   overkill94
362 He does not play 3B
2007-08-13 21:57:52
365.   underdog
Oh well. Only 30 minutes 'til "Californication."

Which sounds a little like how I'd describe the Dodgers' past few weeks.

2007-08-13 21:58:08
366.   Bluebleeder87

yup. :o)

2007-08-13 21:59:06
367.   underdog
Kent is 0 for his last 22. That hurts.
2007-08-13 21:59:48
368.   Branch Rickey
366. Actually, I was predicting Ned's next pickup.
2007-08-13 22:00:47
369.   underdog
363 I've grasped at so many straws in the past month - many of them last ones - that I have to start over with a whole new bale of hay.
2007-08-13 22:01:06
370.   Eric Stephen
353 I don't remember when Kemp dropped the flyball, but since the AS break, Kemp has played in 25 of 29 games (including tonight) with 14 starts.

The only consecutive games Kemp has missed were Aug 5 (Ari) & Aug 7 (Cin). He hasn't started in any of the last four games, although he has appeared in all 4 games.

2007-08-13 22:01:25
371.   overkill94
367 It feels like everyone is 0 for their last 22
2007-08-13 22:01:52
372.   underdog
Sad to see Sammy in there in this kind of situation. If we can't see his smile tonight will we see a mild frown? A concentrated grimace? A good natured smirk?
2007-08-13 22:03:05
373.   Vaudeville Villain

You're missing the point. We already have a black hole at 3B, adding another bad hitter at that position does nothing. D. Young, however, can be reasonably expected to hit better than Luis Gonzalez, at least momentarily. Why not try him for a few games, rather than build up the Bizzaro All-Star Team at thrid base?

Nobody's saying Young is the Messiah, all I'm saying is I'd rather have him up then Hillebrand.

2007-08-13 22:03:55
374.   overkill94
369 Which is the problem. We've already exhausted the "sit Pierre/Nomar", "rest Martin", "bring up the kids", "DFA the veterans", and "adjust the batting order" mantras so many times that we don't have any real issues to discuss anymore. Hence, whining about a 7th infielder vs. a 5th outfielder.
2007-08-13 22:05:32
375.   Bluebleeder87
you decide [-]
[-] 361
2007-08-13 22:05:44
376.   overkill94
373 If we want to sit Gonzo, we might as well give Kemp more consistent playing time. If we want to sit Nomar, what are our options? Hillenbrand may not be a great hitter, but he has had success in the past and it's not out of the realm of possibility that he'll put together a couple good weeks and help spark the offense.
2007-08-13 22:06:12
377.   ucladodger

He dropped the ball on the 21st, where he also hit a 3run homer. He didnt start again until the 25th, and has started about half of the rest of the games with pinch hitting appearances mixed in. Starting consistently (as he did in his hot streak) is so completely different than playing every other day. From the mindset, to the physical aspects of the game, its a total 180. Add tothat hes young and probably pressing, and thats not a good recipe.

2007-08-13 22:06:15
378.   Branch Rickey
374. Yep. It was indeed a pleasure playing with you gentlemen.
2007-08-13 22:06:45
379.   underdog
374 I'm looking to pick a fight about the Dodgers' bench coach Dave Jauss. I don't like the way he sits in the dugout.


2007-08-13 22:06:46
380.   Gen3Blue
Brox and Sammy have to come in just to get some work. You have to use them or they will shrivel up.
2007-08-13 22:07:52
381.   overkill94
Hmmm, Lidge has been pretty shaky this year, maybe we have a chance?

Then again, if we can't hit Reds pitching, Anthony Reyes, or Doug Davis then even if Russ Ortiz got on the mound there wouldn't be much to hope for.

2007-08-13 22:08:15
382.   Bluebleeder87
Nobody's saying Young is the Messiah, all I'm saying is I'd rather have him up then Hillebrand.

you can argue it that way or why couldn't we just keep Betemit, it's just weird. We just need to start winning it's the cure all that ends all.

2007-08-13 22:08:38
383.   ucladodger
did Lidge get demoted again?
2007-08-13 22:09:17
384.   overkill94
379 If he crosses his legs one more time...
2007-08-13 22:10:39
385.   overkill94
383 Lidge pitched in the last three games. Unfortunately.
2007-08-13 22:12:02
386.   trainwreck
Go Shea! Woo hooo!
2007-08-13 22:12:18
387.   LAT
I just got home. How does a game with 13 total hits take 3+ hours?
2007-08-13 22:12:40
388.   underdog
Help us Slappy-Wan, you're our only hope.
2007-08-13 22:13:32
389.   Vaudeville Villain

Hillenbrand is OPSing barely .600 this year.

Like, I stated earlier in the thread, it's not this single move that I find infuriating, it is an accumulation of these types of moves. A GM who thinks he might get something out of this player is a GM who doesn't know when to say uncle. Anyway, I'm done, good night all.

2007-08-13 22:13:44
390.   underdog
Another dreadful display, but against one of the best pitchers in all of baseball I guess it's not a shocker. Tomorrow even with Tomko going I think the Dodgers have a chance. I'd say final score of that one should be 7-5 or so. Except it could also be 7-0.
2007-08-13 22:13:51
391.   Branch Rickey
Bad team, man. We got a bad (rule 1 violation) team.
2007-08-13 22:14:32
392.   overkill94
Dodger hitters tonight:

.194/.235/.194 for a whopping .429 OPS

Boy am I glad I'm going to the next two games :(

2007-08-13 22:14:47
393.   underdog

There, I just wanted to say that.

I'm gonna do something more pleasant and less stinky than watching the Dodgers these days - change the cat litter box.

Night all.

2007-08-13 22:15:05
394.   Bluebleeder87

Bills made a lot of pitches, he looked really sharp in the first 2 or 3 innings but then he started nibbling.

2007-08-13 22:15:41
395.   MMSMikey
tough times to be a dodger fan. tough times.
2007-08-13 22:15:48
396.   underdog
Matt Albers generall stinks, so even with the Dodgers the way they are I think they have a chance, but again, Tomko has to keep his bad innings to a minimum.

Sigh. Is this what we're reduced to?

2007-08-13 22:16:07
397.   Eric Stephen
Dodger OF since the AS break (29 games including tonight):

Pierre - 29 starts, 125 PA, .288/.347/.333
Gonzo - 23 starts (25g), 95 PA, .213/.242/.270
Ethier - 19 starts (26g), 86 PA, .355/.419/.579
Kemp - 14 starts (25g), 67 PA, .250/.284/.453
D.Young - 2 starts (8g), 14 PA, .500/.500/.571

2007-08-13 22:18:37
398.   Bluebleeder87

I just think "red hot chili peppers" everytime I hear that name.

2007-08-13 22:19:13
399.   trainwreck
I wish I still got Showtime.
2007-08-13 22:19:41
400.   LAT
This team is little more than a urinal biscuit.
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2007-08-13 22:20:04
401.   overkill94
389 Yeah, and the guy he'd be replacing has a .689 OPS (going into tonight).

I never claimed that Shea is a good player or that I expect him to be. What I do know is that he has had some success in the past and even mediocre players get hot for a few weeks. No one's "expecting" to get anything from him, but they are hoping they can.

If Kemp was not around, I would think it was a terrible idea to send Delwyn down, but as it is we already have a promising young outfielder ready to step in if we want to attempt to change things up in the outfield. At this moment, at third base, we do not.

2007-08-13 22:20:50
402.   Bluebleeder87
any ways good night all, I just hope the baseball gods are preparing a great scipt for us Dodger fans this year. If not i'm game for next year.
2007-08-13 22:21:30
403.   Eric Stephen
400 I'd go so far as to say they are the type of said biscuit that seems to splash and ricochet in all possible directions, making for many an embarrassing situation.
2007-08-13 22:22:43
404.   overkill94
395 Probably the toughest since I became a hardcore fan (2003 or so). In the past we had teams that I knew were mediocre so I didn't get too bummed when they stunk, but this team showed such promise early in the year that it truly pains me to see them struggle so much right now.
2007-08-13 22:23:45
405.   PDH5204
397 You left out Furcal. To illustrate Grady's obvious stupidity when it comes to game management, we move Pierre down exactly when his OBP is rising [his OBP for the month is .364 (prior to today)]. Meanwhile, Furcal's OBP for the month is .271 but he stays at leadoff and continues to swing for the fences.
2007-08-13 22:24:14
406.   dzzrtRatt
Well, yeah, lot to be said for the notion that this is whining on the margins of margins.

What it comes down to is, in 2006, Coletti had DePodesta 2004 luck. In 2007, he's having DePodesta 2005 luck. But whereas in 2005, things looked like they were going from bad to worse, in 2007, despite the current hell-hole of a season, the future looks good.

2007-08-13 22:24:49
407.   trainwreck
I predicted we would end up third, so I guess this should not be a surprise to me.
2007-08-13 22:24:50
408.   Bluebleeder87
so who will pitch on friday? Stultz? McDonald? o.k. I'm definitely going to sleep already. late.
2007-08-13 22:26:36
409.   Eric Stephen
I guess tomorrow's Jacksonville game will go a long way toward seeing who the Friday starter will be vs. Colorado at Dodger Stadium. James McDonald last pitched August 8, and is scheduled to pitch tomorrow, which would take him out of the running for an improbable Friday start in LA.

But, if McDonald doesn't start tomorrow, it's time to start the countdown!

2007-08-13 22:27:19
410.   MMSMikey
hopefully macdonald
2007-08-13 22:28:44
411.   LAT
How many Passens and Rosenthals have already written the second half of their "Best & Worst of 2007" articles?
2007-08-13 22:30:17
412.   underdog
I don't think Grady moving Pierre and Furcal up and/or down in the order shows him to be stupid - and Pierre did bat lead off last week one game. Grady's tried a lot of different mixes with the hand of cards he's been dealt. The fact is the Dodgers need Furcal to be hitting, to be contributing, and he hasn't done that enough, most of the season. When Pierre bats lead off he usually does nothing. How is it Little's stupidity that Furcal is struggling and Pierre is erratic? Now, he could get real creative and put in Martin lead off - except Martin's struggling a great deal, too - or Loney, though that leaves a hole later in the line-up, or... who exactly? Again, I think people are grasping for straws due to the frustration of the team slumping so badly, and I understand where that's coming from.
2007-08-13 22:33:52
413.   LAT
406. For me, this season is far more disappointing than 2005. In '05 I thought we were still on the upswing. This year, I foolishly thought we had arrived.
2007-08-13 22:33:58
414.   Eric Stephen
Stults started on August 10, so he might need a bullpen outing tomorrow to get ready for Friday. He has been terrible since being sent down (4 games / 3 starts), giving up 15 ER in 13.1 IP for a 10.13 ERA.

I really hope it's McDonald on Friday. I just hope the nickname council can convene before he gets the nickname "J-Mac" as he takes the baseball world by storm.

2007-08-13 22:40:15
415.   Eric Stephen
I'm looking forward to Lieutenant Frank Winters in the upcoming NBC Series "Life".
2007-08-13 22:41:08
416.   King of the Hobos
414 Would you rather Big Mac? It's even bovine related!

I have nothing.

2007-08-13 22:41:30
417.   Louis in SF
Any thoughts on why Kent is 0-22 or is it just the same thing that happened last year he is not ready to play yet?..Anybody notice anything different in Nomar's swing this year? I wish there was something tangible to fix, but am begining to wonder if we are not just cursed this year
2007-08-13 22:41:55
418.   Eric Stephen
This really has been a dreadful run for the boys in blue, but let's look at the positive: they are "only" 6.5 games behind the division leader, a team that has been outscored on the season; and they are a mere 3 games out of the wild card (albeit behind four teams).
2007-08-13 22:44:13
419.   trainwreck
I am expecting us to make a big run at Carlos Zambrano. And even though we would probably have to overpay, I would be really happy to see that guy on our team.
2007-08-13 22:45:10
420.   Bob Timmermann
I don't believe in curses. I believe in jinxes, hoodoos, and omens though.
2007-08-13 22:48:43
421.   xaphor
Highlights for the night...

Carlos Lee hitting a batting practice shot onto the rooftop of the pavilion.

Nancy Bee playing "High Hopes".

...then the game started.

2007-08-13 22:54:06
422.   Greg Brock
bhsportsguy and I went Timmermann hunting at the stadium. To no avail.

And Shea Hillenbrand. Yeah. Um, grrrr....

2007-08-13 22:56:20
423.   fanerman
I was shocked and, to use the colloquial term, "completely fouled out" to see Hillenbrand at-bat. Personally, I'd just throw all the young guys in, see how they do, and if they don't succeed, at least they'll be primed and ready for next year. Then again, that's probably not gonna happen.

The good news is I got to see the game (at least parts of it) since it was nationally televised. I'm usually happy to watch a game, even if they lose, because at least I get to see them play.

As Juan Pierre was at-bat in the bottom of the 9th, I explained to him that somebody on DT nicknamed him "Slappy McPop-Up." Juan Pierre proceeded to slap a pop-fly to the left fielder, ending the game. My roommate was in hysterics.

2007-08-13 22:58:23
424.   fanerman
423 "him" in the last paragraph should be replaced with "my roommate"
2007-08-13 22:59:17
425.   LAT
You didn't find any 6'5" librarians in a yellow jersey keeping score?
2007-08-13 22:59:17
426.   LAT
You didn't find any 6'5" librarians in a yellow jersey keeping score?
2007-08-13 22:59:48
427.   LAT
It wasn't me. I swear.
2007-08-13 23:00:10
428.   Eric Stephen
On July 26, the Dodgers were in 1st place, one game up.

I then purchased a Chad Billingsley road jersey.

Since, Billingsley iss 0-4 and the team has dropped 7.5 games in the standings.

I accept full responsibility.

2007-08-13 23:01:55
429.   Greg Brock
425 BH was leading the search. He had some intel as to the librarian's 20. We ended up in some section just around the corner from the ionosphere.

BH attempted a "Bob" shout, but it fell on deaf ears. And there were some loaded dudes out there.

2007-08-13 23:01:57
430.   xaphor
428 . A witch! A witch! Burn him!
2007-08-13 23:03:54
431.   Strike4
Maybe the worst Dodger moment tonight, Loney foolishly nearly flipping over the rail for a ball three rows up. Whether he's trying to light up his teammates or hoping to make ESPN highlights, it reinforces management's perceived need for veteran balance among the young wall crashers. Perhaps veteran Shea can demonstrate the technique a few times and the team will just need to take its chances.

Lefty here too by the way.

2007-08-13 23:04:06
432.   trainwreck
I purchased an Edwin Jackson jersey and then we traded him.
2007-08-13 23:04:56
433.   regfairfield
This game, or Margarita Monday?

I think I made the right choice.

2007-08-13 23:04:56
434.   Bob Timmermann
I was pretty hard to miss. I was sitting by myself in a yellow shirt and a UCLA cap.

I was in section 55.

2007-08-13 23:07:03
435.   Bob Timmermann
"The 5s and 3s in Bob's scorebook talk to my father."

John from Cincinnati

2007-08-13 23:10:19
436.   Eric Stephen
I like to think of Bob in many different disguises much like Hanibal from the A-Team. He'll be found when he wants you to find him.

Speaking of the A-Team, I wonder what their standard fee was? I'm sure Face reduced his fee in exchange for more womanly services, but it seems to me the cost to hire the A-Team would be prohibitive.

2007-08-13 23:11:17
437.   Greg Brock
Even A. Martinez and the Harvey guy were scratching their radioheads about Hillenbrand. Martinez said something like "Maybe they feel like they need a veteran bat."

That's when I almost careened into an embuttment.

2007-08-13 23:15:30
438.   thinkingblue
So when do Plaschke's scapegoat articles come back?
2007-08-13 23:20:20
439.   Greg Brock
The New Beverly Cinema is running a "Strangelove/Being There" double feature this weekend.

Kubrick, Sellers, Ashby...Yes indeedy.

2007-08-13 23:26:08
440.   KG16
Desperate times call for desperate measures, put everyone's name in a hat and start drawing, that's the batting order. Supposedly worked before.

In the alternative, my suggestion would be:

Nomar (at least until LaRoche gets healthy)
Pitcher's spot

2007-08-13 23:27:29
441.   overkill94
433 At Acapulco's?

431 Have you ever tried to run forward while looking straight up? It's damn hard. I'm just glad he didn't flat out lose his balance and slam head-first into the wall.

2007-08-13 23:29:08
442.   underdog
Can't you guys start purchasing Diamondback jerseys instead? I mean, c'mon, you see what kind of mojo we're up against here - get cracking!
2007-08-13 23:29:11
443.   overkill94
440 Alphabetical order works almost as well:

Pitcher's Spot

it worked in third grade, it can work now!

2007-08-13 23:30:37
444.   KG16
443 - you forgot Furcal, but yes, it does seem to work well too.
2007-08-13 23:32:02
445.   Greg Brock
Since I missed the game thread, I've gone back and looked at this a number of times:

Instead of Wilson Betemit and Jonathan Meloan, the Dodgers now have Shea Hillenbrand and Scott Proctor.

This makes me a bitter, bitter seed.

2007-08-13 23:32:13
446.   xaphor
439 . Easily his two best, but I like the continuity of "Strangelove" with "The Mouse That Roared".
2007-08-13 23:34:42
447.   overkill94
445 To make it fair, it'll turn into Hillenbrand/Proctor/Meloan instead of Betemit/Meloan/Hernandez soon enough. It's a bit misleading to simply substitute Proctor for Meloan.
2007-08-13 23:35:34
448.   overkill94
444 You're right, I guess all these vodka/tonic/Tampico's are taking their toll. Damn you Dodgers for making me the way I am!
2007-08-13 23:36:23
449.   Greg Brock
446 I'm a huge Hal Ashby guy, so "Being There" holds a special place for me.

Plus, Jerzy Kosinski's life story is fascinating. Wrote a paper on him in college.

2007-08-13 23:39:10
450.   Greg Brock
448 Fair point. I still take Betemit/Meloan/Hernandez.

Betemit is gone, so no use crying over spilled Boom, but that deal still bothers me. A lot.

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2007-08-13 23:45:03
451.   underdog
Ah, forget the Dodgers for the rest of the night. Go talk about your favorite all time TV shows on Screen Jam. Or continue your Peter Sellers chat, that's always good, too.

I think the highlight of my summer, truly, so far is teaching middle schoolers the art of scriptwriting and showing them some clips from Dr Strangelove and blowing them away with Peter Sellers. A couple of them had seen that film before but to the others it was like a total revelation, to their credit, and the fact that Sellers was playing all those roles, and could be so funny in each, was pricless. They loved the "Of course I'd call you just to say hello Dmitri" phone scene.

Now I'm really going to bed, feeling a little... Blue, as usual, this month.

2007-08-13 23:50:54
452.   El Lay Dave
359 I just wish that we had had the good sense to have Pierre steal second and third last inning.

Right. JP stole when Ethier was up with two outs, taking the bat out of his hands and leaving the Dodgers at the mercy of Oswalt pitching to Billingsley. Later, no steals attempts when he's at first with no outs, Ethier up and a PH sure to follow. (Grady have a stop sign up down three?) I know conventional wisdom says don't take such risks down three, but with the offense sputtering like it is, I think you have to try it.

2007-08-13 23:55:57
453.   El Lay Dave
Charlie Steiner gave the score often enough during my drive home. Unfortunately it was always the same one.

On the bright side, Dodger pitching recorded 13 Ks, with the pen allowing only 1 hit and 1 BB in four IP.

2007-08-13 23:58:01
454.   El Lay Dave
439 I should go because "I like to watch."
2007-08-14 00:00:12
455.   El Lay Dave
440 I've been meaning to suggest that Grady needed to try the LaRussa thing, because #9 is the most natural spot for Juan Pierre. You beat me to it!
2007-08-14 00:05:04
456.   Greg Brock
454 One day, my friend, Ashby will get his visage on the Rushmore of '70's directors. Coppola, Scorsese, Altman, Allen, and Ashby.
2007-08-14 00:11:57
457.   NorCal-Dodger
Got back from the game, haven't been to the Stadium in awhile....must say the team looks disinterested? Even with Nomar getting booted, felt that Grady should have backed him up and throw a tirade to get tossed also. He had an oppty. to fire up the team but let the moment past. Like this season, it will be a thing of the past. Can't believe we were in 1st place for the better half of the the season. Guess we are left to "remember the good times."
2007-08-14 00:15:34
458.   JoeyP
The only thing good that can come from this season is McCourt letting Colletti go at the end of it.

Juan Pierre and assorted high priced mediocre vets have killed a golden goose.

2007-08-14 00:16:45
459.   Greg Brock
457 The "good times" are Loney, Martin, Kemp, Billingsley, Meloan, LaRoche and, ultimately, Kershaw.

If missing the playoffs is a necessary condition for playing these kids, we should all accept it with aplomb.

When all our players are making $600,000, we can sign Santana.

2007-08-14 00:19:14
460.   KG16
459 - just so long as the Dodger remember they are a big market team come time to resign the kids in a few years...
2007-08-14 00:20:52
461.   Bob Timmermann
Actually, the team looks uninterested. If the team looked disinterested, it would have stayed neutral in the game.

Then again, both of those could apply here.

2007-08-14 00:22:54
462.   Greg Brock
460 You are absolutely spot on. Sign Martin to an extension beyond arbitration in November (Wright/Reyes style). If Loney produces next year, do the same for him. Build...You know, actually build...A team.

Stop waisting resources on 34 year old pitchers and disastrous slap-hitting centerfielders. Then you can allocate resources toward the Santanas and Zambranos of the world.

2007-08-14 00:24:33
463.   trainwreck
No Argento or Bava?
2007-08-14 00:24:34
464.   bhsportsguy
458 Won't happen, McCourt signed off on this possibility.

459 Also won't happen, at least the part about a dominance of low priced players.

I can see maybe 8-10 players but by the time all of them are here, Russell, Broxton, Ethier will be making more, Chad will be close and the team will always have veteran players along with younger players.

2007-08-14 00:31:48
465.   trainwreck
Bertolucci also deserves consideration.
2007-08-14 00:32:12
466.   bhsportsguy
462 But what if they don't want to come here. Its a dangerous game to play if you are planning to hold out until certain free agents become available, there is no guarantee that they will take the money.

If there is one thing that can be said about this run, they are doing it as a team. Its not just Juan Pierre or Jason Schmidt being out, its kids acting like kids, vets showing their age, good pitching no offense, no pitching, no offense, its a game of inches and a game of just some bad breaks.

2007-08-14 00:32:55
467.   NorCal-Dodger
461 Right now, I'm more interested in my Miller Lite..and some shut eyes.
2007-08-14 00:34:47
468.   Greg Brock
464 We had this argument at the game tonight, sitting side by side.

The Dodgers drew 3.5 million fans while losing 91 games two years ago. Nobody cares about veteran this or that. We have one playoff win in nearly 20 years. People just want to win.

The term "Veteran" should be taken out and shot in the face with a bazooka. Veterans serve in wars. The term "Veteran" in baseball is as useless as Danys Baez. "Veteran" whatever is a false premise that needs to die.

2007-08-14 00:38:38
469.   Greg Brock
Shea Hillenbrand is a veteran. He is also a gigantic turd.
2007-08-14 00:40:09
470.   trainwreck
Yes, I believe the film Mount Rushmore should include Italians.
2007-08-14 00:49:19
471.   KG16
468 - you're right about winning. But there's also a question of how they win. This market wants a winner but they don't want a rental winner like the Marlins have been twice. They want something that can sustain itself (see Lakers circa 1980-89).

But I've suddenly got this sinking feeling that there is going to be an unneeded level of panic in the front office this off season ("the youth movement experiment has fail!") followed by a lot of moves for guys with a couple of seasons left who get to the World Series only to be run over by the Yankees. I don't know why I have this feeling, other than the erratic nature of the last couple of off seasons.

My off season moves are simple, though not easily accomplished: sign A-Rod (should he opt out), get Zambrano or Santana, do not resign Gonzo or Nomar, trade Pierre and who ever else necessary to get a real center fielder.

Line up in KG's world:


Rotation in KG's world:


2007-08-14 00:50:51
472.   Greg Brock
How many "veterans" do the Diamondbacks have?

Because last time I checked, they were pissing on our faces. We are six and a half back. But we have a mix of veterans and young kids. And that's essential. You need to have veterans and young kids. It's a nice blend that means exactly nothing.

I'm just some guy who believes in playing the best players. I know not of this veteran magic. I'm a stat-nerd...A tool that believes you play the best players. You promote Meloan because he is a stud. You keep D. Young because he is a better hitter than Hillenbrand. You don't bench Matt Kemp in favor of a 40 year old LF who is falling apart.

The Dodgers deserve to miss the playoffs.

2007-08-14 00:57:00
473.   trainwreck
Well I could not have said that better.
2007-08-14 01:02:32
474.   Greg Brock
And even if LaRoche was healthy and ready to play, he would sit behind Nomar.

And let's not pretend we don't know why.

2007-08-14 06:35:38
475.   Suffering Bruin
Ah, to follow Brock in posting. There are easier things in life.

472 I'm not going to improve on that. It's been a great discussion, I've been on both sides of the issue but I'm with 4-7-2.

I'm off to all-day teacher training. I can honestly say that I would rather do the teacher training--"professional development"--than watch this team play. It doesn't mean I'll stop watching any more than I'll stop doing the training but I do both only because I have to.

I have to watch this team.


2007-08-14 06:40:10
476.   Sam DC
Zappala is a fairpole icon!
2007-08-14 06:40:31
477.   Sam DC
OK, perhaps that's an overstatement.
2007-08-14 07:15:48
478.   silverwidow
The Jacksoville website lists "TBD" as the starters for today's game (even though McDonald would most likely go). Hmm...
2007-08-14 07:17:42
479.   silverwidow
Nevermind, the Vegas website says the same thing.
2007-08-14 07:22:12
480.   Jon Weisman
Job opening in Jacksonville:

2007-08-14 07:53:20
481.   Marty
I don't really understand Brock's Ashby fetish. Being There? not bad. Shampoo? OK. Last Detail? Nice start to Randy Quaid's career. Coming Home? Hated it.

I don't get it. But that's why they race boxers, or something.

2007-08-14 07:57:26
482.   CanuckDodger
480 -- So, Jon, you couldn't just summarize -- in one line -- what the article says? Instead of that I have to grab pen and paper and write down the URL and then type it into my browser only to find that the article won't come up for me anyway? Sorry to be testy, but I've always HATED the fact that links can't be posted in this comment section.
2007-08-14 08:00:45
483.   Marty
Canuck, if you have Firefox, there's a nice add-on called linkification that automatically links any url posted in a comment.

Also, if nothing else, highlight the URL and copy and paste it into URL window rather than typing it.

2007-08-14 08:06:50
484.   CanuckDodger
483 -- Thanks, but since the article isn't coming up for me anyway (my computer is junk so I know it's to blame), I still need somebody to tell me what it says.
2007-08-14 08:10:16
485.   Jon Weisman
482 - That, indeed, was testy. Sometimes, I just like to tease the article. But you don't have to write down the URL, you can just copy and paste with your mouse.
2007-08-14 08:12:21
486.   Jon Weisman
484 - Here are the first three paragraphs.

A Jacksonville Suns fan went to the ballgrounds to catch a game, but he caught something else.

Police say a juvenile told an off duty officer he saw a man smoking marijuana in the stadium during Saturday's game.

It turnded out to be Ray Zerba, Assistant General Manager of Personnel for the team.

2007-08-14 08:14:19
487.   Jon Weisman
New post up top, by the way.
2007-08-14 08:58:26
488.   underdog
481 {cough} Harold and Maude! {cough}

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