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Rally Thread - No Waiting
2007-08-14 17:49
by Jon Weisman

Sometime this afternoon, right about when I got the news that Shea Hillenbrand was starting, I started to develop flu symptoms. Correlation or causation?

I hope the cure comes sooner than later.

* * *

Tonight's game:


Retro Gameday

Comments (467)
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2007-08-14 17:54:34
2.   Suffering Bruin
Above should've said "starting" instead of staring. Though come to think of it, 1 could still make a lot of sense.
2007-08-14 17:55:17
3.   Jon Weisman
Oh, SB. You violated Unwritten Rule 13.
2007-08-14 17:59:57
4.   Bob Timmermann
Wow, I've never seen comment #1 hit the dust so fast.
2007-08-14 18:00:05
5.   max power
A double super secret rule?
2007-08-14 18:00:44
6.   Greg Brock
Jon, hurry up and go get an Immunity Boost from Jamba Juice.
2007-08-14 18:03:33
8.   Jon Weisman
If only the JJ near my house hadn't shut down.

I am now about to give my upset stomach enchiladas. Which helps expoain why comment 1 got deleted.

2007-08-14 18:04:12
10.   nofatmike
I think I got that same flu probably when I found out the Dodgers signed Pierre. Probably just correlation though.
2007-08-14 18:06:18
11.   Eric Enders
It's kind of disappointing that (apparently) Stults will be taking Hendrickson's spot in the rotation instead of McDonald. Regardless of whether McDonald is ready for the majors to stay, he's on some kind of hot streak right now and it would've been nice to take advantage of that.
2007-08-14 18:11:28
12.   Bob Timmermann
Shea Hillenbrand is the eighth player to play for the Dodgers and Angels in the same season:

Len Gabrielson and Johnny Werhas did in 1967
Jim Brewer and Dave Sells in 1975
Dick Schofield in 1995
Tim Wallach in 1996
Eddie Murray in 1997

2007-08-14 18:13:35
13.   scareduck
12 - Bob, you're just amazing.
2007-08-14 18:16:37
15.   El Lay Dave
12 Gabrielson was the only worthwhile hitter for the Dodgers in the seasons cited. Murray was average in 9 PAs.

I didn't know the Len Gabrielsons were one of the father-son major league combos until just now.

2007-08-14 18:20:15
16.   PlayTwo
12: You could always count on Brewer to win the cow milking contest.
2007-08-14 18:20:23
17.   El Lay Dave
12 The 1967 and 1975 players were traded for each other - not too surprising.

15 Sells, a pitching, was 1-1 batting for LA, not that it matters.

2007-08-14 18:22:00
18.   Bluebleeder87
Bob is the resident genius here we shouldn't feed his massive ego anymore. :o)
2007-08-14 18:22:43
19.   El Lay Dave
16 Those cows really liked that screwball motion of his. In this day and age, Brewer would have pitched a few more seasons as an effective LOOGY, I think.
2007-08-14 18:22:58
20.   Linkmeister
Unlike yesterday, it appears I'll actually have the Dodger game on FSNPT today.

Whether I can bear to watch is another question entirely.

2007-08-14 18:22:59
21.   Bob Timmermann
Somebody at work asked me.

Few people remember Dick Schofield's Dodger career. He was only on the team because the rosters were expanded to 30 at the beginning of the 1995 season.

That also meant we had to watch Rob Murphy pitch.

2007-08-14 18:23:16
22.   BlueMamma
I hope the cure comes soon - to both bad situations.
2007-08-14 18:24:48
23.   Bob Timmermann
So I'm thinking tonight is probably the night that Dontrelle Willis's losing streak ends? And Byung-Hyun Kim isn't going to be starting again for the DBacks is he? And the DBacks pythagorean record is going to take more of a beating.
2007-08-14 18:24:53
24.   natepurcell
McDizzle is sailing so far.
2007-08-14 18:25:36
25.   El Lay Dave
22 Both may require a purge.
2007-08-14 18:27:44
26.   Bob Timmermann
Being a Nats fan means you have to watch your relief "ace" give up pinch homers to Russell Branyan.
2007-08-14 18:28:02
27.   CanuckDodger
Rally time? Mmmm, I'm not feeling it, Jon. What I am feeling is a hunger for another top 10 draft pick, another Kershaw, so from this point forward I am hoping for a team free-fall, with the proviso that I will root for certain individual players to succeed. Billingsley, Broxton, Martin, Loney, Kemp, Ethier, and any prospect we call up from the minors all have my best wishes, but anybody else, especially the vets I already don't like, can tank it.
2007-08-14 18:28:31
28.   regfairfield
26 Isn't that the only thing Branyan is good for?
2007-08-14 18:28:47
29.   El Lay Dave
23 The Dodgers could use a game like Florida is having.
2007-08-14 18:29:37
30.   das411
26 - First at-bat with the team and he already shows more power than our last #4 ever did...sorry Sam DC, we didn't know he had it in him either!

Did anybody, during Johan Thoughts a couple of threads ago, ever figure out how much $$ the Giants have coming off of the books to throw around this winter?

2007-08-14 18:30:08
31.   Greg Brock
26 I'm ready for it. I'm getting in on the ground floor.
2007-08-14 18:30:34
32.   Eric Enders
Washington's relief ace is pretty good, actually. (Hint: It ain't Jon Rauch.)
2007-08-14 18:31:38
33.   Jon Weisman
Wow, Ken Tremendous got a full page guest column in the print edition of SI. And it's not even about Joe Morgan.
2007-08-14 18:33:03
34.   regfairfield
30 Eyeballing it, they have about a 50 million dollar payroll heading into the season.
2007-08-14 18:34:05
35.   regfairfield
33 Bets on the first person to fisk the column?
2007-08-14 18:36:04
36.   natepurcell
Wade Davis, one of the drays top pitching prospects is getting torched by the Suns in his battle against McDonald.
2007-08-14 18:38:00
37.   Eric Enders
I guess I'd forgotten it, but J.P. Shadrich just mentioned that James McDonald, Sr., was a tight end for the Rams. Here are his career stats:

52 games, 14 receptions, 3 touchdowns.

2007-08-14 18:38:48
38.   Jon Weisman
27 - How 'bout we compromise and the kids lead us to the pennant?
2007-08-14 18:38:57
39.   Bob Timmermann
The Angels lost to the Blue Jays in less than two hours. How come they can have a 4-1 game that takes 1:58, but I go to a 4-1 game that takes over three hours?
2007-08-14 18:39:15
40.   Linkmeister
36 nate, hyphenate! I got this image of carts or sleds having pitching prospects, which I then immediately took to meant wobbling from side-to-side!


2007-08-14 18:43:22
41.   Eric Enders
Dewitt with an RBI triple. Suns and McDonald cruising 6-0.
2007-08-14 18:45:32
42.   Eric Enders
This year could turn into a repeat of the 2005 stretch drive on Dodger Thoughts, where discussion of the putrid performance of the major league team takes a backseat to Jacksonville's march toward the Southern League championship.
2007-08-14 18:45:58
43.   Bob Timmermann
The Yankees are not winning one for Scooter tonight.

Up in heaven, Phil's scorecard is loaded with "WW" notations.

2007-08-14 18:46:43
44.   El Lay Dave
Ned signed Hillenbrand one day after the Phillies acquired Branyan for cash from Cleveland, which was two days after the Indians signed him.
2007-08-14 18:47:13
45.   Bob Timmermann
And to me about the only thing duller than watching the 2005 Dodgers was following the 2005 Southern League.
2007-08-14 18:48:04
46.   xaphor
40 . Or in the case of some of our fallen stars, "Bring out your dead!"
2007-08-14 18:48:06
47.   Icaros
I look back on the Suns Thoughts era with fondness. It was like an online drum circle for a disappointed group of warriors.
2007-08-14 18:50:13
48.   natepurcell
Suns Thoughts was a fun time. Although a World Series run would have been more fun.
2007-08-14 18:50:36
49.   Eric Enders
45 Dull?

Russell Martin! Chad Billingsley! Jonathan Broxton! James Loney! Andy LaRoche! Tony Abreu! Joel the Destroyer! Hong-Chih Kuo!


2007-08-14 18:50:42
50.   regfairfield
44 I'd be sad if I had any hope that Ned would even consider signing Russell Branyan.
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2007-08-14 18:51:28
51.   Jon Weisman
Tony Abreu is in the Vegas starting lineup tonight.
2007-08-14 18:53:03
52.   Bob Timmermann
Remember, I'm no fun.
2007-08-14 18:53:58
53.   El Lay Dave
33 Under his nom de plume?
2007-08-14 18:54:18
54.   Eric Enders
Bob just dislikes the minor leagues. He's sort of the librarian version of Ned Colletti.
2007-08-14 18:55:10
55.   Eric Enders
So you're trying to tell me Ken Tremendous isn't his real name?
2007-08-14 18:56:49
56.   Greg Brock
55 I don't think he works at Fremulon, either.
2007-08-14 18:56:54
57.   Bob Timmermann
3 Ks and a double in the ninth for Gagne.
2007-08-14 18:58:04
58.   Bob Timmermann
I was also unable to watch on my computer for technical reasons, so I felt left out.
2007-08-14 18:59:50
59.   Eric Stephen
Any chance McDonald could force the Dodgers' hands? Stults may be taking Hendrickson's spot on Friday, but Tomko's spot comes up Sunday. Tomko is pitching tonight; so is McDonald (and well, again).

Monday's off day can allow for the shuffling necessary to let Tomko, Hendrickson, and Stults fight it out for the final spot in the rotation.

2007-08-14 19:00:12
60.   Eric Enders
So whatever happened to those Suns streaming videocasts, anyway? Did they get kayoed by
2007-08-14 19:01:09
61.   Eric Enders
59 At the very moment Eric Stephen was typing that post, McDonald gave up a two-run homer.
2007-08-14 19:01:47
62.   natepurcell

last year I emailed them asking about and they said they could not get enough funding/advertisement money for it.

2007-08-14 19:03:14
63.   Eric Stephen
61 Between that, my Billingsley jersey purchase, and my 9-game in-person losing streak to the Padres, I might be bad luck for the Dodgers.

Hey, you know who is great? Juan Pierre. And Shea Hillenbrand.

2007-08-14 19:03:22
64.   Bob Timmermann
Mike Lowell's game-tying homer in the 9th isn't sitting too well with Scooter up in heaven.
2007-08-14 19:04:57
65.   Marty
Linkmeister, do your hatches need battening?
2007-08-14 19:05:07
66.   MC Safety
37- I believe he played in the White Sox organization as well. Im positive our team faced the fastest batting practice. He was a big influence.
2007-08-14 19:05:59
67.   Bob Timmermann
Rick Ankiel's story isn't playing as well in Milwaukee.
2007-08-14 19:06:15
68.   natepurcell
McDizzle strikes out the side though.
2007-08-14 19:07:20
69.   scareduck
I hope the cure comes sooner than later.

Robert Smith can probably play third base better than Hillenbrand. I say, let's do it! Plus, he gets to sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" in the seventh.

2007-08-14 19:07:24
70.   Marty
Reading McDizzle makes me giggle.
2007-08-14 19:10:27
71.   Hallux Valgus
69 Robert Smih struggles to walk upright. At this point, he'd have to actually be the base.
2007-08-14 19:11:36
72.   xaphor
69 . I doubt we will be able to lure him to the team unless Streisand suits up for the D'Backs.
2007-08-14 19:12:26
73.   Gen3Blue
Ahhhh, Vin. Whatever the night brings I have a chance of enjoying it.
2007-08-14 19:12:43
74.   MMSMikey
tomko wearing high-boys
2007-08-14 19:13:17
75.   Bob Timmermann
If the Padres lose tonight, they fall into a tie for the wild card with the Phillies.
2007-08-14 19:13:36
76.   MMSMikey
ugh kemp.
2007-08-14 19:13:36
77.   scareduck
71 - and your point?
2007-08-14 19:13:49
78.   Hallux Valgus
this isn't starting well.
2007-08-14 19:14:38
79.   Bluebleeder87
We all know that was an error (I'm looking at you score keeper)
2007-08-14 19:17:07
80.   King of the Hobos
When did we (or nate) decide on McDizzle? It's not bovine-y enough.
2007-08-14 19:17:19
81.   Bluebleeder87
So whatever happened to those Suns streaming videocasts, anyway? Did they get kayoed by

I miss those days also, I did a google search a while back but couldn't find it anymore.

2007-08-14 19:19:53
82.   Bluebleeder87
look at Tomko getting out of that inning with a K.
2007-08-14 19:24:14
83.   Bluebleeder87
Albers gameday Picture looks like he was trying to pick up on the lady taking the picture "Hey whats going on baby"
2007-08-14 19:24:32
84.   MMSMikey
furcal leads off every game 4-3
2007-08-14 19:25:33
85.   Gen3Blue
So, the die is cast, we should make this guy continue to throw a lot of pitches!
2007-08-14 19:27:03
86.   MMSMikey
kemp going oppo
2007-08-14 19:27:08
87.   Bluebleeder87
Matt Kemp makes up for the error big time, WOO!!
2007-08-14 19:27:17
88.   Greg Brock
I talked to BH today, told him Kemp would hit a jack.

And get benched tomorrow.

2007-08-14 19:27:24
89.   Eric Stephen
Welcome to the #3 hole, son.

I will point out that I am wearing my Billingsley jersey for the first time during a game.

2007-08-14 19:27:27
90.   Hallux Valgus
The 3rd slot agrees with Matt Kemp.
2007-08-14 19:27:38
91.   Gen3Blue
Good for the confidence
2007-08-14 19:27:45
92.   Indiana Jon
Not a bad shot there for a bench player.
2007-08-14 19:27:48
93.   ucladodger
kemper bomb!
2007-08-14 19:28:03
94.   El Lay Dave
From the AP:
Garciaparra said the injury has plagued him for more than a week. ... "We all have injuries and you deal with them. It wasn't an easy decision," ... "I was still running hard throughout the week and it wasn't bothering me too bad, so I was able to get by with it. But it just got progressively worse," he said. "So before it gets really bad, I figured let's try to control this and put a stop to it now."

I'm reading into this that this first started a week ago or so, not earlier than, say the 5th or 6th.

2007-08-14 19:28:32
95.   NorCal-Dodger
Good Kemp, now why didn't Grady let you play last night?
2007-08-14 19:28:56
96.   El Lay Dave
Grady is a genius.
2007-08-14 19:29:06
97.   Gen3Blue
The Buff.
2007-08-14 19:30:42
98.   Marty
From now on, every time the Bison hits one, I'm going to yell Stampede!
2007-08-14 19:30:56
99.   Andrew Shimmin
I wish my favorite team had a couple of guys like Matt Kemp. Oh, wait. It does.
2007-08-14 19:30:56
100.   xaphor
97 . Bison doing The Biz.
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2007-08-14 19:31:15
101.   Jon Weisman
Tonight in his pregame interviews (heard via KFWB pregame), Little had this response to a question about who was starting Friday. This is almost a literal transcription, but I heard it in the car.

"I've got more questions about what the hell is going on with this team than you could ever come up with."

Then I figured out, finally, who Grady sounds like. He sounds like the more intelligent brother of Milton from Office Space.

2007-08-14 19:31:48
102.   Jon Weisman
Marty, do you realize what a good education the kids in Borneo have been getting lately?
2007-08-14 19:32:16
103.   Dodgers49
I didn't see a NPUT when I came back to my computer so I ended up making this prediction in the last thread. There is still time for Pierre to cause some havoc. :-)

81. Dodgers49
Looking into my crystal ball for tonight's game I see Pierre creating havoc on the basepaths thus causing the pitcher to try throwing fastballs by Kemp. I see one going over the fence. :-)

2007-08-14 19:32:34
104.   Marty
Yes, Borneo is the new India courtesy of the Dodgers.
2007-08-14 19:33:06
105.   El Lay Dave
I'm not watching the game, just seeing text from the net. How shallow was Berkman's fly out to LF? Does Loretta try and score on Gonzo vs. Ethier? Or not a chance since Lee was up next?
2007-08-14 19:34:06
106.   scareduck
101 - "But... but... Mr. Colletti... if you don't give me good players, I'm going to burn down the stadium."
2007-08-14 19:34:28
107.   Gen3Blue
Only the D's. With lots of fans dying to get some playing time for young ballplayers the D's trade Betemit and lose Abrue and LaRoche to injury right before Nomar gets hurt. This may not be totally luck, but it shows how are luck has been running this half.
2007-08-14 19:34:36
108.   Eric Stephen
That double play was sublime.
2007-08-14 19:34:53
109.   Greg Brock
I don't understand how Loney can be so good. He's not even 34 years old yet.
2007-08-14 19:35:06
110.   Gen3Blue
Nice play! Loney. I'm already used to saying that.
2007-08-14 19:35:23
111.   scareduck
107 - bad, malicious Luck.
2007-08-14 19:35:26
112.   El Lay Dave
Brett, this is called a lead . Throw strikes man!
2007-08-14 19:35:54
113.   Sam DC
So, how 'bout dem Nats. Good thing they didn't trade Rauch so they can build around him.

Those eighth inning guys are irreplaceable.

"Stampede" is pitch perfect. I'm in!

2007-08-14 19:35:59
114.   Greg Brock
I wish Milton Waddams was the Dodgers manager.

"I just want to have home runs at a reasonable volume."

2007-08-14 19:36:18
115.   El Lay Dave
112 (typed while seeing a 2-0 count prior to the 3-6-3 DP.)
2007-08-14 19:36:48
116.   Jon Weisman
The last 10 minutes have been sublime.

Even with his big slump, Kemp is still OPSing .860.

2007-08-14 19:37:16
117.   Greg Brock
113 Don't know if you got the memo, but I'm on board with the Nats. Going to buy the blue hat tomorrow.
2007-08-14 19:37:34
119.   Sam DC
I've never seen a pitch on gameday where ball 1 to Pujols is shown.
2007-08-14 19:39:39
121.   Sam DC
117: As Shawn Colvin would say, climb on, a back that's strong.

Signed Josh Smoker today for a cool mill.

Jake McGreary (6th rounder wanted like top 5 money) off to Stanford.

2007-08-14 19:41:38
122.   Sam DC
"Jack McGeary" actually.

"Jake McGreary" is waiting to be written into my novel.

2007-08-14 19:43:52
123.   Gen3Blue
Curiouser--I've noticed the umps the last several games seem intent on getting the D's batters out. I'm pretty sure its paranoia, but that ump checked with third without a request from the catcher or any Astro. And it looked strange.
2007-08-14 19:44:14
124.   Eric Stephen
I was hoping Vin was going to bring up Bill Cosby's routine about thinking his name was Jesus Christ.
2007-08-14 19:47:46
125.   King of the Hobos
Apparently Nomar just recently strained his calves on the last road trip, and the DL trip is a precaution to make sure he doesn't pull it further.

And according to Grady, Shea is our 3B until Nomar returns. Get well soon Nomar!

2007-08-14 19:48:07
126.   Bob Timmermann
Jeff Francis off to a rocky start for the Rockies. 3-0 Padres.
2007-08-14 19:48:59
127.   King of the Hobos
125 That should be calf, singular.
2007-08-14 19:49:42
128.   Eric Stephen
From the I'll Believe It When I See It Department:

Grady Little tonight said, "I'm just gonna try to get Kemp a few more at bats. He hasn't had very many at bats lately and I wanted to get him more, whether it's in right field, center field." (emphasis mine)

From the LA Times' Blue Note blog.

2007-08-14 19:49:58
129.   Sam DC
I think of "Shea" as a female name.

I realize that may just be a quirk.

2007-08-14 19:50:59
130.   KG16
129 - I always think of "Shea" as the name of a stadium
2007-08-14 19:51:01
131.   Gen3Blue
Make this guy throw some pitches, darn it.
2007-08-14 19:51:48
132.   King of the Hobos
128 Huh. From Gurnick's notes:
"We're going to try to get Kemp some more at-bats, whether it be in right field or left field," Little said. "He hasn't had very many at-bats lately, and I want to get him more."

I prefer the LAT version.

2007-08-14 19:52:21
134.   Gen3Blue
They are trying to wear out Chris Burke with slow rollers. Interesting strategy.
2007-08-14 19:53:05
135.   Andrew Shimmin
The good news is, even if he loses, it'll probably come down a little on appeal. . .,2933,293268,00.html

2007-08-14 19:53:20
136.   Greg Brock
Sam, should I go with the blue DC cap or the blue Senators W cap?

What do the "real fans" like me prefer?

2007-08-14 19:53:55
137.   Gen3Blue
132 So do I!
2007-08-14 19:53:58
138.   Eric Stephen
Maybe the Dodgers strategy of grounding to second thought there'd be a different Chris Burke out there.
2007-08-14 19:54:33
139.   Gen3Blue
Yes make this pitcher work and you can get into it.
2007-08-14 19:55:11
140.   Eric Stephen
136 Don't they also have a blue W cap? If so, there is your answer.
2007-08-14 19:55:41
141.   Greg Brock
138 I see what you did there.

I found a Nats visor. Booya.

2007-08-14 19:56:12
142.   KG16
135 - when it rains, it pours.

Anyone else want that to be a ground rule double rather than a foul ball? Especially given the next pitch...

2007-08-14 19:56:34
143.   Gen3Blue
2007-08-14 19:56:52
144.   Eric Stephen
No way, Jeff Kent is the son of a motorcycle cop. Who didn't see that coming?
2007-08-14 19:57:10
145.   KG16
Vin at the end of the inning: I know what you're thinking, another out with a runner in scoring position
2007-08-14 19:59:29
147.   Sam DC
Well, as far as Nats apparel goes, for the first two years, red v. blue and dubya v DC have been mostly political statements round these parts.

Our new Lerner/Kasten overlords have decreed that the W will be emphasized and the block DC pared back.

So to my mind, blue DC anything becomes the coolest.

Of course, my kid has a red curly w cap.

2007-08-14 20:00:08
149.   Bob Timmermann
Wilson plays everywhere:

"Torre said INF Wilson Betemit would start at second base Wednesday and Robinson Cano would get a day off. "

2007-08-14 20:03:48
151.   King of the Hobos
Well, this certainly doesn't look good.
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2007-08-14 20:04:42
152.   ucladodger
lucky the ump gave us the out at 2nd.
2007-08-14 20:05:46
153.   Gen3Blue
Well, Tomko's asking for it.
Nice fielding got him out of it!
2007-08-14 20:06:16
154.   Bluebleeder87
Oh man, that was a close call the way things been going for the blue I thought Tomko was gonna implode there.
2007-08-14 20:06:32
155.   Gen3Blue
Did the plate umpire have to be replaced. I feel so terrible!
2007-08-14 20:06:44
156.   still bevens
Astros doing their Dodger impression. Tomko having a hard time with his control and they let him off the hook first pitch swinging into double plays.
2007-08-14 20:07:28
157.   Greg Brock
Perusing DC's crime rate, I see murder rates are going down. Which is pretty cool, I think. When it comes to the murder, I'm generally against it.

They're not doing so well with "forcible rape." No stats available on consensual rape.

2007-08-14 20:07:35
158.   Sam DC
150 I don't really know overall comparisons, but mostly I'd say it depends a lot on where exactly in the city you're talking about.

Like in most big towns.

2007-08-14 20:08:31
159.   ucladodger
2007-08-14 20:08:40
161.   Marty
Stop saying Kemp doesn't hit the curve.
2007-08-14 20:09:13
162.   ucladodger
kent has been absolure garbage lately
2007-08-14 20:10:02
163.   Bluebleeder87
wasn't Kent on a mini tear for a while? he's been pretty bad lately
2007-08-14 20:10:59
164.   Eric Stephen
Absolure would be a good name for a perfume.
2007-08-14 20:12:06
166.   NorCal-Dodger
Kent has been horrible at the plate, I think his hammy is still bothering him. Before he got hurt, he was hot.
2007-08-14 20:12:10
167.   KG16
157 - that's one of the funniest things I've read in a while.

162, 163 - I think Kent is 0 for his last 20 or so.

2007-08-14 20:13:44
168.   Eric Stephen
Wow, Kent is 0 for his last 24, with 3 double plays and 0 walks!
2007-08-14 20:14:54
169.   Bluebleeder87

sit 'em then he's of no use to us hurt, D. Young could have spot started for him.

2007-08-14 20:17:13
170.   KG16
168 - he has one base hit in the month of August, granted, he's only played one week of August, but still...
2007-08-14 20:18:16
171.   Eric Stephen
I had never heard Ryne Sandberg called "Prince Valiant" before. Nice one, Vin.
2007-08-14 20:22:42
172.   Gen3Blue
Nice stroke by Ethier. I think these young ones going to be good!
2007-08-14 20:29:33
173.   Bluebleeder87
I don't normally think this way but basically if Kemp wasn't in there today we'd be losing 1-0, yikes!
2007-08-14 20:35:25
174.   Greg Brock
You'll know what to do, Brett. And you'll know exactly when to do it.

Bye Bye David Bowie!

2007-08-14 20:37:28
175.   scooplew
I am not a fan of Tomko, but I wonder how he would pitch if we ever got him four or five runs in the first few innings. (Of course, we don't do that for anybody). The problem with Tomko is he will never pitch anything close to a gem. At best, he is a plodder. The Dodgers have had plodders over the years, guys who would go 9-11 and fill out the back end of the rotation. But that just isn't going to work this year, and Tomko won't come close to 9-11 anyway.
2007-08-14 20:38:02
176.   Branch Rickey
Boy, it's so quiet in here you can almost hear the Dodgers' offense.
2007-08-14 20:39:13
177.   scareduck
157 - the antonym of "forcible rape" would be "statutory rape".

And the boo birds start in.

2007-08-14 20:39:25
178.   Marty
That at bat pretty much sums up Tomko. You knew he was going to get on.
2007-08-14 20:40:07
179.   scareduck
175 - if you have a rotation full of number fives, you lose a lot of games.
2007-08-14 20:40:29
180.   Bluebleeder87
Keep your chin up Tomko you gave us a good game
2007-08-14 20:40:41
181.   Greg Brock
Boy, the Dodger faithful give Tomko no quarter. That's not a boo-worthy performance.
2007-08-14 20:41:18
182.   Eric Stephen
Here's hoping Tomko pitches a fit for being pulled, and goes on a Shea-inspired rage-filled outburst that gets him DFA'd and McDonald can pitch Sunday!
2007-08-14 20:41:34
183.   Marty
And yet, I'd much rather see Tomko out there than Hendrickson.
2007-08-14 20:42:13
184.   Bluebleeder87
6 innings 2 runs not bad, unfortunately the Dodgers can't buy 2 or 3 runs these days.
2007-08-14 20:42:20
185.   Eric Stephen
Did someone order a comebacker 1-2-3 DP?
2007-08-14 20:43:16
186.   scooplew
Tomko is like an old, unreliable car that you are forced to depend upon. Sometimes it won't start on a cold morning in the driveway. Sometimes it breaks down on the road. Sometimes it won't start in the parking lot when you are ready to come home from work. But, probably for financial reasons, you have to keep using it. Tomko is a jalopy.
2007-08-14 20:43:19
187.   scareduck
163 - Kent has one hit in 20 PA/19 AB, .053/.053/.053.

2007-08-14 20:43:29
188.   Eric Stephen
I do like the Hendy lunch box commercial though. If someone gets released, how long do their commercials keep playing?
2007-08-14 20:45:45
189.   scooplew
Starting opposing pitchers to their teammates before taking the mound against the Dodgers: Get me two runs and I'll beat them.
2007-08-14 20:45:47
190.   Eric Stephen
187 You left out last night's 0-4. The hit in the 1-4 on August 7 was in the first AB.
2007-08-14 20:45:59
191.   Branch Rickey
HD gives us interesting glimpses into life at the stadium. Like the beautiful young lady behind home plate who's body language tells us she couldn't care less about the game. More interesting then on field action.
2007-08-14 20:46:09
192.   scareduck
186 - it's more like being in a small town where there's exactly one really pretty girl and you are not the high school team quarterback. That is, the problem has more to do with supply than price.
2007-08-14 20:47:00
193.   scareduck
191 - are you talking about the brunette in the white top just to the right of the "" sign?
2007-08-14 20:47:08
194.   Robert Daeley
Don't release Hendrickson -- he was doing great at long relief. And kids apparently like him.
2007-08-14 20:47:17
195.   Branch Rickey
188. The kid in that commercial is cute. But is the kid in that commercial a boy or a girl?
2007-08-14 20:48:44
196.   Branch Rickey
193. Yep. The one who is now taking pictures of the people behind her.
2007-08-14 20:49:57
197.   Greg Brock
191 Wow, that is some quality bird-dogging on your part. I never would have caught it.

Nice catch, Branch Rickey!

2007-08-14 20:50:06
198.   Eric Stephen
That was almost a sweet play at the plate. Scioscia would have blocked it! :)
2007-08-14 20:50:15
199.   Branch Rickey
No longer a decent start for Tomko.
2007-08-14 20:51:10
200.   Eric Enders
It's so frustrating being blacked out of Vinny and having to listen to the radio. Dammit, Rick and Charlie, there's a freaking baseball game going on here.

Or, there was.

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2007-08-14 20:52:03
201.   Telemachos
This is like being nibbled to death by an okapi.
2007-08-14 20:52:12
202.   Branch Rickey
197. Like Vin Scully, I just let the action come to me.
2007-08-14 20:52:24
203.   Eric Stephen
Dodger Thoughts: Where Branch Rickey and Greg Brock Come To Life
2007-08-14 20:52:56
204.   scooplew
Wow. This is getting annoying and relentless and is seemingly unending.
2007-08-14 20:53:32
205.   Eric Enders
How close was the Bisonian throw?
2007-08-14 20:53:54
206.   Eric Stephen
Next step for InDemand is to add HD to the Extra Innings package like DirecTV does.
2007-08-14 20:55:17
207.   Eric Stephen
205 The throw was a strong one-hopper that was maybe a half-step too late. Martin reached to the first base side of the plate to field the throw, leaving home plate relatively unblocked.
2007-08-14 20:55:56
208.   Gen3Blue
93 It's pretty obvious by now that Tomko and Hendricksen should not be starting in the Major Leagues. But also the D's offense is not helpful, and with a few exceptions, only hitters who are developing towards their primes should be contributing so poorly. I guess I'm saying anyone over 26 years old doing as bad as the D's is toasted. The exceptions---Loney at the moment is consistant enough even if he was 30. Kent is in a terrible streak but has contributed to the offense a good part of the year.I may have missed someone, but not many.
Remember if we fall out of the race, you play all your young players. Always has been that way.
2007-08-14 20:56:11
209.   ucladodger
I've realized the only joy i get out of Dodger games now is watching Kemp, loney, Martin, and Ethier hit. The rest of it just pains me.
2007-08-14 20:56:34
210.   Eric Enders
207 Thanks.

I am now going to go swallow some tortilla chips without chewing.

2007-08-14 20:56:47
211.   Retire 55
I get flamed for saying it, but I'm gonna keep saying it.

Grady Little is the worst manager in the history of Major League Baseball in Los Angeles. The sooner McCourt fires him, the sooner we have a chance.

2007-08-14 20:57:50
212.   Eric Stephen
210 That was a much more creative solution than the unspoken Rule 13.
2007-08-14 20:58:23
213.   Eric Enders
Grady Little is not the problem. In fact, Grady Little deserves an extension just for that one comment Jon posted upthread.
2007-08-14 20:58:25
214.   Eric Stephen
211 What did Grady do this time to draw your ire?
2007-08-14 20:58:25
215.   Telemachos
Grady's not the one giving up endless singles.

Remember when the Dodgers used to have this sort of inning?

2007-08-14 20:59:09
216.   Greg Brock
Loney has a hit, Ethier has a hit, and Kemp has two.

That's the problem with veterans. They're so inconsistent. You really need them to break the door down to get playing time. I mean, you can't just hand a job to a veteran. They have to earn it.

2007-08-14 21:00:20
217.   NorCal-Dodger
Wonder how much Ned has influence as far as who starts and sits? And does Grady have any say on any of the recent signings and pick-ups?
2007-08-14 21:00:35
218.   Retire 55
I'll answer a couple of flames pre-emptively:

Tracy had a lot of bad qualities, and was a bad manager. But he didn't stubbornly set bad lineups for months straight, and he didn't stubbornly use awful pitchers like Tomko night after night.

Davey Johnson is a good manager with a record of success. It didn't work out for him in Los Angeles, but he was here during times of turmoil, and wasn't around for long.

Can't believe no one mentions Russell when I make this claim, who was a lot worse than Tracy or Davey.

2007-08-14 21:01:07
219.   Eric Stephen
It just hit me that the LA Dodgers have not had a manager with a record under .500 while managing LA.
2007-08-14 21:01:57
220.   Eric Enders
218 "Tracy had a lot of bad qualities, and was a bad manager. But he didn't stubbornly set bad lineups for months straight."

That's exactly what he did, actually. How soon they forget.

2007-08-14 21:02:22
221.   Branch Rickey
218. Yeah, why doesn't he play all of those good players? He should have started Santana tonight and batted A-rod third. That's what a good manager would have done.
2007-08-14 21:02:22
222.   scooplew
208 Well said. I would rather be losing games with pitchers from the minor leagues with whom I am unfamilier than continuing to lose with Hendrickson and Tomko, although Beimel bears a lot of responsibility for tonight. Beimel's job in relief tonight reminds me of something I heard decades ago when the reliever was Bob Miller and the starter was Don Drysdale and neither was doing well. "Relieving Drysdale with Miller is like relieving a headache with a hammer." I fear that Little will say, after tonight's game, that, gee, Tomko did not really pitch that badly and he remains in the starting rotation.
2007-08-14 21:02:45
223.   scooplew
208 Well said. I would rather be losing games with pitchers from the minor leagues with whom I am unfamilier than continuing to lose with Hendrickson and Tomko, although Beimel bears a lot of responsibility for tonight. Beimel's job in relief tonight reminds me of something I heard decades ago when the reliever was Bob Miller and the starter was Don Drysdale and neither was doing well. "Relieving Drysdale with Miller is like relieving a headache with a hammer." I fear that Little will say, after tonight's game, that, gee, Tomko did not really pitch that badly and he remains in the starting rotation.
2007-08-14 21:02:54
224.   Eric Stephen
218 Tracy started Mike Edwards a lot, and played Jason Phillips at 1B quite often. Just to name a few.
2007-08-14 21:03:07
225.   ucladodger
kemp PO'd at himself for not hitting that 500 feet.
2007-08-14 21:03:36
226.   Bluebleeder87
Vinnie just needs to add the HEY HEY HEY when he says Matt Albers & it would be perfect. :o)
2007-08-14 21:05:24
227.   Branch Rickey
I'm surprised that names like Tomko, Hendrickson and Beimel are even being mentioned here. The team is incapable of scoring as many as three runs. Pitching is moot right now.
2007-08-14 21:05:42
228.   Eric Enders
"You can speak far more eloquently than I can."
-- Charlie Steiner, to Rick Monday
2007-08-14 21:06:09
229.   Eric Stephen
Just like that, the son of a motorcycle cop ends the 0 for 24.
2007-08-14 21:07:20
230.   Jon Weisman
Abreu has a single, a walk and two runs in four plate appearances tonight. Las Vegas 5, Colorado Springs 4, 8th inning.
2007-08-14 21:08:05
231.   Jon Weisman
Wilson Valdez started in left field.
2007-08-14 21:08:22
232.   scareduck
190 - you're right, but I didn't omit it, Baseball-Reference did. They appear to be behind a day on Kent's record.
2007-08-14 21:09:24
233.   El Lay Dave
228 The pot calling the kettle shiny?
2007-08-14 21:10:09
234.   Bob Timmermann
I saw one of the games when a second baseman had 12 assists. It was my only trip to Atlanta Fulton County Stadium.

Note the time of the game too.

2007-08-14 21:10:33
235.   Bluebleeder87

that double would've been more useful earlier in the game for momentum purposes.

2007-08-14 21:11:47
236.   Eric Enders
235 Might as well replace "game" with "season."
2007-08-14 21:12:33
237.   Retire 55
It's kind of shocking how much time you all will take to defend a guy who's taking a talented, $107 million dollar lineup to a .500 record (hopefully).

Let's see...

Setting ridiculous lineups with Pierre hitting ahead of guys like Ethier.

Doing everything possible to waste the Kemp/Loney hot streak by batting them 7-8 every day.

Using Tomko over and over, in the rotation and in close/late situations before that, because he's "got a good arm, and we need him."

Maintaining a coaching staff that has allowed plenty of baserunning errors and that is unable to figure out why the lineup goes into epic cold streaks on a frequent basis.

This is just the tip of the iceberg; I'm gonna quit posting now because an anti-Grady opinion seems fairly unwelcome here. If you think this is an untalented team that is supposed to finish with a .500 record because of a few tough pitching injuries, fine. I, on the other hand, am of the opinion that a manager can do a lot of damage to a team by making bad decisions regarding the lineup and relief pitchers.

Enjoy the game!

2007-08-14 21:14:43
238.   grandcosmo
237 - How do you prove the cause and effect of anything you just wrote?
2007-08-14 21:15:05
239.   Gen3Blue
223 I have a feeling we would be much better off with young unknowns pitching. We couldn't be worse off at any rate.
I guess my feeling now is buy out the vets as fast as you can. If you can, bring in some all-round ballplayers with your money if you can, but its too late to trade the younger players. And don't buy any more oldies.
2007-08-14 21:18:51
240.   Bob Timmermann
See Rule 12.
2007-08-14 21:19:29
241.   Branch Rickey
237. I know we shouldn't even bother responding but as Rickey would say to Lucy, it's just so ridiculous.
So you want Ethier leading off?
Who do you want to pitch instead of Tomko? If you want to criticize (anything) offer alternatives.
They DID fire a coach. While they were in first place no less. And then the part of the team that coach was responsible for has dive bombed. So you would hit Pierre 8th. After that, what do you want Grady to do that would make this team win?
And of course you saved your most ridiculous statement for last. Enjoy the game!
2007-08-14 21:20:13
242.   Telemachos
I'll agree that Grady tends to give veterans the benefit of the doubt. However, I think that's an unfortunate tendency of all MLB managers... I'm hard-pressed to think of someone who will start a rookie without some sort of external influence (injury, low budget, etc).

I also think he tends to like having a bit of potency towards the bottom of the lineup... I don't agree, but of all the team's troubles, that's not at the top of the list (IMHO).

In terms of which players Grady has, that's Ned's problem/responsibility.

2007-08-14 21:20:40
243.   Eric Stephen
237 If I had to guess, I'd say 80% or so of the posters here don't want Pierre playing every day, nor do we want Tomko or Hendrickson starting.

But, you called Grady Little "the worst manager in the history of Major League Baseball in Los Angeles." I'd say the burden of proof is on you.

If you feel unwelcome, it's not the content of your posts; it's the tone.

2007-08-14 21:21:23
244.   NorCal-Dodger
237 Where does Ned play into this? When we were winning and in 1st Grady's lineups were excusable. Now, we are deep in the quagmire, and there is accountability to be shared by all, not just Grady.

If Ned, made the desicion to stick with the yongsters at the trading deadline, it's time to call them up. Why do we even bother with players like Shea? And it won't surprise me if Ned goes out and get D. Wells, unfortunately, Ned learned from Brian Sabean. So better have the equipment guys, lube up the wheel chairs.

2007-08-14 21:21:51
245.   Greg Brock
Focusing on Grady is fine. But he has to play what is given to him, and he has to play who management wants played. Fire Grady, don't fire Grady. It's a manager. Big deal.

He doesn't destroy young pitchers. That instantly makes him better than Tom Lasorda.

2007-08-14 21:22:25
246.   Megaballs
Had Nomar in my injury pool. Yippie!

I smell a Abreu and other prospect for the White Sox Friday starter...eating the $10 mil for the next two years just to get another starter on the staff.

Like 2005, folks around these parts smelled the end much earlier than LAD manager.
Strangely, the "play the kids to get experience" could lead us to a pennant....if they press the McD'S, Kershaws into the least would get the future dynasty rolling.

I've never been as down on Ned as this week...

2007-08-14 21:24:03
247.   scareduck
Shea hey!
2007-08-14 21:24:05
248.   Bluebleeder87
I didn't realize Hillenbrand had decent wheels.
2007-08-14 21:24:25
249.   Bob Timmermann
It's not like there is a big set of managers to compare in LA Dodgers history:

I counted 21 different Angels managers in their history, although I may have counted Gene Mauch twice.

But Mauch would have wanted it that way.

2007-08-14 21:25:25
250.   Jon Weisman
237 - Your opinion is not unwelcome. It's just disagreed with. For what it's worth, criticism of Jim Tracy at this site began as minority opinion before it became majority opinion.

People just happen to disagree with some of your points. For example, Tomko was dropped from the rotation early in the season, became the last choice out of the bullpen in the middle of the season, and is only starting now because the alternatives aren't much more enticing. Sure, I'd rather see Houlton or Stults start, but it's not as if there's a vast difference between them and Tomko - nor, it should be pointed out, are Stults or Tomko on the roster right now. Seriously, who on tonight's roster would you have started in place of Tomko?

It certainly doesn't behoove Little to trash Tomko in the press, but in the meantime, he has clearly been a pitcher of last resort.

Pierre is a problem in this lineup, but you can't honestly believe it's a problem of Little's creation, can you? It just seems like you're trying to pin all the blame on Little, and giving Colletti a free pass, not commenting at all on the roster Colletti has given Little.

And if you're trying to convince me that no manager in Los Angeles Dodger history has ever overseen cold streaks, you're going to have to do a better job.

So you're welcome to keep posting. I think the dead end we're running into may be that people disagree with your points, and instead of responding to their disagreements, you just repeat your original arguments. Especially given how you're remembering Tracy and the way he set lineups, it just doesn't feel like there's much evidence for your contention that Little is the worst manager in Los Angeles history. (Which itself isn't saying much, given how few managers there have been here.)

So I'd just suggest evolving your arguments further, or dialing back the rhetoric. But you're not being chased away and it's nothing personal - it just feels a little redundant.

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2007-08-14 21:25:32
251.   Marty
That means Clint Hurdle is not the worst manager. That's just wrong.
2007-08-14 21:27:35
252.   Telemachos
Still no hits with RISP.
2007-08-14 21:28:27
253.   scareduck
248 - after he busted his groin earlier in the year, no, but he came back pretty strong.
2007-08-14 21:29:21
254.   Jon Weisman
RBI double for Abreu in the ninth.
2007-08-14 21:30:09
255.   Bob Timmermann
"Old friend" Trever Miller!
2007-08-14 21:30:24
256.   grandcosmo
I would be prepared to say Grady was the worst Dodger manager since Burleigh Grimes but the evidence has to be a lot stronger "than he didn't move guys up in the order during their 'hot streaks'".
2007-08-14 21:30:25
257.   Jon Weisman
250 - "nor, it should be pointed out, are Stults or Houlton on the roster right now"
2007-08-14 21:31:20
258.   NorCal-Dodger
253 "busted his groin"..reads and sounds a bit awkward?
2007-08-14 21:31:32
259.   Eric Stephen
No no no. Is Gonzo pinch hitting for Kemp?
2007-08-14 21:32:42
260.   Bob Timmermann
I believe that's the case. I believe Little is trying to catch nitrogen in a bottle.
2007-08-14 21:33:19
261.   Eric Enders
Is it just my imagination, or does Pierre get a disproportionate number of his hits when the game is already out of hand?
2007-08-14 21:33:27
262.   Eric Stephen
Whew. I misread Kemp going back into the dugout before the commercial.
2007-08-14 21:33:33
263.   Bob Timmermann
And I worked so hard on that metaphor.
2007-08-14 21:34:22
264.   scareduck
260 - that's pretty clever...
2007-08-14 21:34:52
265.   Bob Timmermann
Isn't that sort of anecdotal statement how "clutch" and "unclutch" hitters are born?
2007-08-14 21:35:09
266.   LogikReader
Jon and others,

I'm not really that concerned about this season, but going forward, I am extremely worried about the team possibly getting worse.

Instead of, for instance, picking up Andruw Jones, Arod, Santana, et. al., I get the sinking feeling Colletti will go with folks like Aaron Boone, Russell Branyan, Pedro Astacio, etc etc.

I can already tell you that Colletti is not going anyplace. It would be bad PR to can a guy after only 2 seasons unless there is conclusive evidence he is not fit. Anyway, this is, sadly, the same kind of assessment I make every year at this time, save '04 and '06

2007-08-14 21:35:37
267.   El Lay Dave
SD leads the Rockies 8-0 late. Barring the Dodgers pulling off a miracle finish, LA will be 60-59, 6 games back in the division, in 4th place, and tied for 5th in the wild card, 4.5 games back.

How far back is too far in mid-August? When is it publically acceptable for Grady to pull out all the stops and try even more radical things than batting Kemp third?

2007-08-14 21:35:42
268.   Dave G
Point's probably been made before, but if there's anything sadder than losing, it's that losing makes us all tense and annoyed and frustrated. Which then leads to taking out that tension on other commenters. I suggest a seventh-inning stretch respite with the following:
2007-08-14 21:36:33
269.   Eric Stephen
261 Depends how you define "out of hand", but Pierre is only hitting .231/.275/.231 in 70 PAs (before tonight) when the difference is greater than 4 runs.
2007-08-14 21:37:07
270.   Branch Rickey
256. Burleigh Grimes was the worst manager since Harry Lumley!
2007-08-14 21:37:25
271.   scareduck
266 - It would be bad PR to can a guy after only 2 seasons unless there is conclusive evidence he is not fit.

Conclusive evidence, in Frank McCourt's universe, being an inability to spin things properly to the press. More articles like T.J. Simers' recent piece might change that.

2007-08-14 21:37:25
272.   Bob Timmermann
If the Dodgers they won't be tied for 5th in the wild card. They will be in 6th all by themselves!
2007-08-14 21:37:33
273.   Greg Brock
Let's throw EDSP in the rotation. Just for kicks.
2007-08-14 21:38:16
274.   grandcosmo
267. Be careful about radical steps. To me playing Hillenbrand at all is a radical step.
2007-08-14 21:38:55
275.   LogikReader
I guess if it were up to me... you take a team that was in first place at the all star break and have them finish below .500; that's on the GM. Colletti sees the back door and DePo makes his triumphant return... obviously that would be my vision in a fantasy world.
2007-08-14 21:39:12
276.   LogikReader
no no, check that; Logan White becomes the GM, oops.
2007-08-14 21:39:20
277.   jujibee
I kind of like Grady as the manager. I think he's in between a rock and a hard spot with some of the roster situations. His boss is the guy that signed a player for 44 mil who is below average in just abot every facet of the game, so who's to say that he doesn't have his hands tied with other roster moves. As I recall throughout the year, a lot of the DT wishes have come to fruition, just not as quick as some of us would like, which I think speakesa great deal to Grady. I think Ned is the guy who should be faulted for the season, but as we sit here today, we were speaking a different tune 1 month ago when Grady made all the right moves and Ned's faults could be overcome. It is just the cyclical phenomina known as ups and downs and baseball has it's share of both. I just hope the team wide slump ends and we ride our ups going into the playoffs, if we make it there.
2007-08-14 21:40:39
278.   scooplew
252 Through 7 innings tonight, we have now gone 46 consecutive innings -- since the 8th inning last Thursday in Cincy -- without driving in a runner in scoring position with a hit.
2007-08-14 21:41:14
279.   LogikReader
sorry to post three times in a row; but there is one very positive note in this game... ok two: first Nomar on the DL, second, Kemp has a pretty good groove tonight with the HR.
2007-08-14 21:41:15
280.   Bob Timmermann
I believe rock bottom will be when the Cardinals pass the Dodgers in the standings.
2007-08-14 21:41:22
281.   silverwidow
Looks like EDSP shortened his stride.
2007-08-14 21:42:56
282.   Bluebleeder87

I was gonna say we have Hillenbrand to pick on now but he just scored a run, Pierre is always game though.

2007-08-14 21:43:29
283.   El Lay Dave
272 Oops, I thought the Cubs loss had not yet been reflected in the standings I was using - it had.
2007-08-14 21:45:55
284.   Greg Brock
Mark McLemore must have that Michael Jackson skin disease thingy.
2007-08-14 21:46:02
285.   El Lay Dave
[checks watch] So, um, Blair or no Blair?
2007-08-14 21:46:33
286.   Bob Timmermann
The Cardinals are 4 1/2 games out of first in the Central. I don't think Mike's Baseball Rants could survive another trip to the playoffs by the Cardinals.
2007-08-14 21:46:43
287.   El Lay Dave
284 impetigo?
2007-08-14 21:47:19
288.   scooplew
268 Thank you for putting everything back in perspective, and sending me to the singing site. That was a wonderful respite. I remember taking my daughter, who was probably 5, to her first game about 15 years ago. It was at the Kingdome, and her big thrill was having a picture taken of her with the moose, the Mariners' mascot. And I bought her a baseball. Those were my favorite memories of the game, too.
2007-08-14 21:47:23
289.   Bob Timmermann
Been there. Done that.

2007-08-14 21:47:41
290.   Megaballs
Why not give Houlton a start or three? As I recall, he showed some potential in 2005 starts...other than he wasn't used much this July much, then went down to Vegas last Friday without a start this season...and when Lurch's friday spot was declared open, DJ still won't start because of the 10 day rule...I bet this was inadvertent...and with DYoung, a 25 year old without options next year...busting his butt to get and stay in the bigs...hitting .500 for this dead hitting team and getting sent down for Shea...postion be damned...DFA someone else..the team needs, actually needed, new blood...ah, drats

scandle us, I tell ya!

2007-08-14 21:47:51
291.   natepurcell
So, um, Blair or no Blair?

I choose Blair!

2007-08-14 21:49:05
292.   Greg Brock
289 You have a blog now?


2007-08-14 21:49:30
293.   El Lay Dave
Tony Jackson's blog:
The injury is believed to have happened in the fifth inning on Aug. 4, when Garciaparra ran first to third on a long fly ball by Ramon Martinez that was dropped by Arizona right fielder Justin Upton. Garciaparra hesitated to make sure the ball wasn't caught, and that was when he felt something in the calf.

Four days after trading a 3B. Four. The bad luck has not just been in the game results of late.

2007-08-14 21:49:55
294.   natepurcell
So I'm re-watching the first season of the office and i totally forgot how hilaripus the pilot is.
2007-08-14 21:51:30
295.   El Lay Dave
Also TJ:
Blair is believed to be seeking a bonus of $1.1 million.

Show him the money!

2007-08-14 21:52:11
296.   Greg Brock
Hilaripus is my new favorite word.

Didn't he fight at Salamis?

2007-08-14 21:52:22
297.   Eric Stephen
Martin takes the baton from Kent in the 0fer brigade. Russ is now 0 for his last 12.
2007-08-14 21:52:35
298.   trainwreck
So we don't want to give him $100,000 more?
2007-08-14 21:54:06
299.   natepurcell

I agree. Give him the money just as long as it's less then Withrow's bonus. For principle purposes.

That said, they are comparable talents and both were rated right around the same area as each other.

2007-08-14 21:54:50
300.   King of the Hobos
It should be noted the deadline to sign draftees is tomorrow at 9, not tonight.
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2007-08-14 21:55:13
301.   Lexinthedena
I just hope the Dodgers admit their mistakes soon, and play the youth....Ned made a lot of moves out of desperation, and fear of rushing the youngsters, and none of them worked out....Nomar was disaster, Pierre has been even worse than advertised, Kent can't stay healthy, and Gonzo wasn't supposed to anchor the middle of the order. Who knows about Shmidt, and Wolf was a bad move when Ted Lilly was on the market....None of Ned's moves have panned out....I don't know if he is a bad GM, but he has made some bad moves, I guess we will know at this time next year...

Play the youth, play the youth, play the youth.....

Then we can be excited about next year....

2007-08-14 21:56:33
302.   Bluebleeder87
must be jitters by Hull but it looked like he had a decent shot at getting the runner at 3rd.
2007-08-14 21:57:09
303.   Eric Stephen
Can Kyle Blair start Friday?
2007-08-14 21:57:13
304.   scareduck
296 -
2007-08-14 21:57:36
305.   PDH5204
271 The Los Angeles Choking Dogs, I love it!
2007-08-14 21:57:41
306.   natepurcell
Hull needs to settle down. he should be a good middle reliever.
2007-08-14 21:58:36
307.   natepurcell

he has an era under 3 in the Northwoods League this summer!

2007-08-14 21:59:52
308.   Bluebleeder87
295 ,298

it doesn't sound all that bad if I were upper management I wouldn't mind dishing out the the extra 100K.

2007-08-14 22:00:56
309.   Greg Brock
304 Ah, thanks. I don't read Primer much anymore.

Niche internet memes, the finer point of rape law....You are a fount of knowledge, Rob.

2007-08-14 22:02:05
310.   Lexinthedena
I wouldn't be mad if Abreau was moved for spare parts, and the Dodgers brought back Grudz to bring some D to the infield.....

just a random thought since all of my Dodger energy is directed at next season....

2007-08-14 22:04:34
311.   Eric Stephen
310 I'd rather have Abreu than Grudzielanek. The Dodger seamstress should have final say in these moves..."Hillenbrand: 11 letters. Denied!"
2007-08-14 22:04:45
312.   King of the Hobos
Shea just walked for the 6th time this season! Woohoo!
2007-08-14 22:05:05
313.   Bob Timmermann
An RBI hit with a RISP!!!
2007-08-14 22:05:30
314.   KG16
don't look now, but this might just be the elusive... nope, not going to say it, not going to jinx it.
2007-08-14 22:06:01
315.   Telemachos

C'mon, Sweeney!

2007-08-14 22:06:24
316.   Bluebleeder87
Oh wait a minute 7-4 now.... [as I was thinking to self should I turn of my t.v & call it a night]
2007-08-14 22:06:31
317.   Eric Stephen
Nice acknowledgment of The Griddle by the Dodger Stadium speakers...Michael Jackson's "Beat It" was played as McLemore was leaving the game.
2007-08-14 22:07:28
318.   Eric Enders
One thing I will say for this team, they're great at staging ninth-inning rallies that fall just short.

Unless The Player bunts into a DP or something, at least Kemp will come to the plate as the tying run.

2007-08-14 22:07:52
319.   Daniel Zappala
Savvy veterans to the rescue!
2007-08-14 22:08:29
320.   Eric Stephen
I'll go ahead and say it. If Juan Pierre hits a walkoff HR I will purchase a Juan Pierre #9 Dodger jersey.
2007-08-14 22:08:38
321.   King of the Hobos
311 I agree, as all our youngsters would be playing. Loney/Laroche v Garciaparra, Hu v Furcal, Ethier/Young v Gonzalez, Kemp v Pierre, Meloan v Hernandez, just about anyone v Hillenbrand and Hendrickson.
2007-08-14 22:09:55
322.   Bob Timmermann
As will I!
2007-08-14 22:10:20
323.   KG16
I can't remember the last time I was this excited about the bottom of the 9th
2007-08-14 22:11:26
324.   Bob Timmermann
Offer void for game-tying home runs.
2007-08-14 22:11:40
325.   Eric Stephen
I should clarify, and say that I meant tonight, just to (KFWB) cover my bases if Pierre hits one later. I will extend tonight's bid to accept a tying HR.
2007-08-14 22:11:53
326.   Jon Weisman
Great pitch by Lidge for a hurtful strikeout.
2007-08-14 22:12:12
327.   Bob Timmermann
Last night I was excited in the bottom of the ninth because I hadn't had dinner and I was hungry.
2007-08-14 22:12:32
328.   Bluebleeder87

I'd take a walk & have Kemp come up with the bases juiced, He's do with them full!

2007-08-14 22:13:02
329.   Eric Stephen
2007-08-14 22:13:04
330.   KG16
well, it was high enough, just not quite long enough
2007-08-14 22:13:08
331.   natepurcell
savvy vets!
2007-08-14 22:13:09
332.   King of the Hobos
Better than bunting into a DP I suppose.
2007-08-14 22:13:17
333.   Greg Brock
Mark Sweeney is a friggin buffoon.
2007-08-14 22:13:24
334.   KG16
2007-08-14 22:13:59
335.   Bluebleeder87
Sweeney, just bury your self, wow!
2007-08-14 22:14:05
336.   scareduck
Juan for Five is two for five. That's a 100% improvement!
2007-08-14 22:14:07
337.   PDH5204
So, Vin is on the Choking Dogs bandwagon.
2007-08-14 22:14:10
338.   Eric Enders
Jesus F. Christ.

Worst. Ending. Ever.

2007-08-14 22:14:13
339.   Greg Brock
I can handle losing. I cannot handle retarded baseball players.
2007-08-14 22:14:15
340.   KG16
"I have seen enough to know that I have seen too much..."
2007-08-14 22:14:18
341.   trainwreck
Sigh, sigh, sigh, sigh.
2007-08-14 22:14:18
342.   Jon Weisman
Oh my God.
2007-08-14 22:14:22
343.   Eric Stephen
At least now we can all be certain that Kemp would have homered to tie the game!
2007-08-14 22:14:29
344.   natepurcell
Sabean is a sneaky man
2007-08-14 22:14:30
345.   Bob Timmermann
The old 2F-3 DP! That's always a rally killer.
2007-08-14 22:14:44
346.   Daniel Zappala
Savvy veterans walk the plank!
2007-08-14 22:14:49
347.   grandcosmo
Leave it to Pierre to hit into a double play.
2007-08-14 22:14:59
348.   scareduck
Now that -- THAT -- was hilaripus. Thank you, Mr. Sweeney, for forgetting the number of outs.
2007-08-14 22:15:29
349.   scooplew
For those of us in the hinterlands, what just happened?
2007-08-14 22:15:56
350.   FirstMohican
Not sure why, but when stuff like that happens, my immediate reaction is pay a visit to this site. Guess its better than throwing my remote control.
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2007-08-14 22:16:02
351.   natepurcell
does that count as rock bottom?
2007-08-14 22:16:07
352.   Greg Brock
To be fair, the responses here make it worth it.


2007-08-14 22:16:16
353.   El Lay Dave
In trying to access the game on-line:

Server Error
The following error occurred:
[code=CANT_CONNECT] Could not connect because of networking problems. Contact your system administrator

Does. Not. Compute.

2007-08-14 22:16:28
354.   Eric Stephen
You have to laugh, right? This is funny on some level, isn't it? Sweeney's Boner is the perfect impetus to blow it all up and bring in the youth brigade. Abreu & Meloan up tomorrow, LaRoche in a few days, McDonald by Sunday. Young whenever his 10 days are up.
2007-08-14 22:16:37
355.   BlueCrew Bruin
Welcome to the new low.
2007-08-14 22:16:41
356.   Bluebleeder87
Seriously though, Pierre popping up YET AGAIN IMO is far worse.
2007-08-14 22:16:44
357.   ucladodger
I'm not one for knee-jerk reactions, but i cut Mark Sweeney right now. That was the stupidest thing i've ever seen on a baseball field, and ive seen my fair share of mistakes. It was a foul ball, what in the world are you doing running to second base, anyways? Just inexcusable.
2007-08-14 22:16:46
358.   Telemachos
Wow.... well, that was certainly a creative way to lose. I think it's safe to say I've never seen that happen. Not even in Little League.
2007-08-14 22:16:48
359.   natepurcell

Brian Sabean sent Mark Sweeney to the Dodgers as an undercover assassin.

2007-08-14 22:17:08
360.   scareduck
344 - yes, exactly. The Giants have produced a mole.
2007-08-14 22:18:00
361.   still bevens
This is what Grady was talking about when he said he had bigger problems at hand than who will start Friday's game.
2007-08-14 22:18:07
362.   max power
344 dead on!
2007-08-14 22:18:23
363.   Eric Stephen
349 Pierre popped out in foul territory about 10-15 feet behind home plate for the 2nd out. Sweeney was on 1st and apparently thought Pierre made the 3rd out, because he was running to second base on contact, and didn't get back to first in time. Doubled off. Game over. Kemp still on deck.
2007-08-14 22:18:26
364.   scooplew
342 Jon: What just happened?
2007-08-14 22:18:39
365.   grandcosmo
357. If Jimmy Johnson was managing instead of Little, Sweeney would be cut.
2007-08-14 22:18:50
366.   still bevens
I liked Pierre's Charlie Brown impersonation walking back to the dugout after he popped it up.
2007-08-14 22:18:55
367.   Daniel Zappala
350 I first explained to my wife why I slapped my forehead and stared at the TV. I then ran here. Keeps you sane, indeed. This whole terrible downward spiral I keep watching in horror and thinking "what on earth will they say about that on DT?"
2007-08-14 22:19:17
368.   trainwreck
I think Grady just got an ulcer.
2007-08-14 22:19:24
369.   Telemachos
I wonder what's going through McCourt's head right now.

I would be quite angry at my $110+ million dollars getting spent this way.

2007-08-14 22:19:27
370.   scareduck
349 - One out, Mark Sweeney at first. Pierre pops out to catcher in foul territory behind the dish, but the umpires don't call the infield fly rule. Sweeney had advanced to second after the catch. The catcher throws to first, completing a 2-3 double play. Game over.
2007-08-14 22:19:34
371.   Eric Enders
Well, at least we know we'll get a classic Dodger Blues post tonight.

This reminds me of that story Vinny likes to tell, where a cabbie asks his passenger how the game is going.
"The Dodgers have three men on base."
"Which base?"

2007-08-14 22:19:34
372.   scooplew
363 Thanks, and good night.
2007-08-14 22:19:35
373.   Branch Rickey
Kevin Kennedy: Mark Sweeney is a personal friend of mine.
You'd think this would be the one time he WOULDN'T say that.
2007-08-14 22:20:06
374.   Eric Stephen
For those of us outside of "Dodgers Live" postgame territory, any illuminating insight on FSN after the game?
2007-08-14 22:20:10
375.   natepurcell
DT is my refuge. Sanctuary! Sanctuary!
2007-08-14 22:20:13
376.   Bluebleeder87

or maybe it just shows how biased I am towards Pierre.

2007-08-14 22:20:28
377.   grandcosmo
363 But the odd thing was that he wasn't running on contact he was just kind of jogging to second. I wonder if he thought the ball had been fouled back?
2007-08-14 22:20:50
378.   El Lay Dave
365 If Charles Finley were the owner, he would begin DFA proceedings on Sweeney, whether or not league rules permitted it.
2007-08-14 22:21:01
379.   natepurcell

"when i use to manage"..."when i was a manager"..."back in my managing days"

2007-08-14 22:21:20
380.   Daniel Zappala
It looked to me like Pierre pushed his shoulder down and purposely produced that popup, then had a great fake-hang-dog expression as he slumped back to the dugout. I think Pierre was outing Sweeney on that play, and we have him to thank for identifying the mole. Thank you, Pierre!
2007-08-14 22:21:24
381.   Lexinthedena
Wow....I had just left a meeting, got into the car to hear an excited Charlie Stiener explain that there were two on, nobody out with a run in....and then a strikeout, a pop out, and Sweeney pulling a T-ball move....


It helps to speed up the inevitable I guess....

I expect to see the youngsters soon....

C'mon Ned, give me a reason to watch...please!

2007-08-14 22:21:35
382.   JoeyP
If the Dodgers lose either tomorrow or thursday, will that be the 9th straight series loss?
2007-08-14 22:21:45
383.   Eric Stephen
370 Wasn't Sweeney running before the catch?
2007-08-14 22:22:01
384.   Greg Brock
Sweeney is going to be the first player to go to Kangaroo court and be sentenced to the death penalty.

No amount of golf balls for the hitting coach is gonna get you out of this, Sweeney. Firing Squad.

2007-08-14 22:22:17
385.   Eric Enders
I didn't see the play, but the Fabulous Moron Twins on the radio implied that Sweeney thought it was the third out and was jogging back toward the dugout.
2007-08-14 22:22:36
386.   El Lay Dave
Was Hillenbrand going? Was it a 2-1 hit-and-run with Pierre? You wouldn't think down three, but....
2007-08-14 22:22:41
387.   ImprobableImpossible
Anyone want two free tickets to tomorrow's game???*

After this ending, I can't bear to watch another inning.

* -- I'm totally serious.

2007-08-14 22:23:36
388.   Bluebleeder87
I feel bad for Sweeney can you imagine going in the dugout/clubhouse after making that play!!
2007-08-14 22:23:43
389.   Lexinthedena
379- I like when they show him pantomiming his baseball moves while staring menacingly into your eyes....

Man is he bitter that Davey Johnson was picked instead of him....

2007-08-14 22:24:02
390.   natepurcell
Maybe its time to start studying up on the 2008 draft.
2007-08-14 22:24:02
391.   Bob Timmermann
You could see Hillenbrand waving Sweeney back to first in the mole-cam. But I liked watching Berkman jumping up and down, "THROW ME THE BALL, BRAD!"
2007-08-14 22:24:47
392.   Telemachos
I can't wait for some Grady quotes after the game.
2007-08-14 22:25:09
393.   Eric Stephen
385 Shockingly, they got it wrong. Sweeney was almost at 2nd base when Berkman at 1st was jumping up and down to receive a throw from Ausmus. Sweeney ran back to first but was too late.

The only time Sweeney went toward the dugout was after the 3rd out.

2007-08-14 22:26:03
394.   El Lay Dave
Once JP was up 2-0 in the count, he should be taking until he had two strikes in that situation. A JP game-tying HR is such a remote possibility that he should be making every effort to coax a walk before slapping at pitches.
2007-08-14 22:26:35
395.   Daniel Zappala
I saw the replay and Sweeney was jogging to second. When he realized what was happening, he turned around and ran toward first, but it wasn't even close. He didn't look like he wanted to go back to the dugout.
2007-08-14 22:26:47
396.   Branch Rickey
Just watched the replay. Sweeney is not going on the pitch and it is totally unclear why he is running to second- he's looking up right at the ball as he's jogging to 2nd. I guess he thinks there's two outs and is jogging in case the ball drifts fair?
We'll see if Grady says THIS is rock bottom tomorrow. Hope he's done guessing at this point.
2007-08-14 22:27:30
397.   Eric Stephen
394 Pierre must get a cut of jersey sales. Y'know, because $9m/year isn't cutting it.
2007-08-14 22:27:35
398.   Eric Enders
Yeah, JP is the real winner here. Sweeney's blunder will deflect attention from his wretched at-bat.

The man did get two hits, though, so I'm not going to harp on it too much.

2007-08-14 22:27:41
399.   Lexinthedena
I have never looked forward to an offseason so much....there are so many interesting options with this team....
2007-08-14 22:27:48
400.   grandcosmo
J'accuse Sweeney d'être un agent provacateur !
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2007-08-14 22:28:35
401.   Greg Brock
You wouldn't expect a veteran to do something like this.

Ha ha ha.

2007-08-14 22:29:18
402.   Bluebleeder87
Once JP was up 2-0 in the count, he should be taking until he had two strikes in that situation.

you guys really know how to push my buttons I'm outta here for my own good. Good night peepz.

2007-08-14 22:29:46
403.   Cornell Blue Fan
387 - I'll take the tickets...just moved to LA, would love to go
2007-08-14 22:29:48
404.   xaphor
Sweeney was acting as if it was a wild pitch. But maybe I am giving him too much credit even for that.
2007-08-14 22:30:01
405.   natepurcell
are we going to have any type A free agents this winter? I'm assuming no...
2007-08-14 22:30:15
406.   JoeyP
With the margins for winning/losing so slim in baseball, a bad streak like this really magnifies the cumulative effect of poor front office decisions.

Frank McCourt cant be happy.

2007-08-14 22:30:32
407.   El Lay Dave
398 When do managers stop being intimidated by players and start hanging out take signs? I realize that for 95% of the players 2-1 is a hitter's count....
2007-08-14 22:30:35
408.   scareduck
352 - I can has cheezburger?
2007-08-14 22:31:18
409.   ucladodger

there was NO reason for Sweeney to be going ANYWHERE in that situation. What good can come out of running out a clear foul ball, even if there are two outs?

2007-08-14 22:31:30
410.   Eric Enders
405 I think LuGo would be the only possibility, but I doubt it.
2007-08-14 22:31:30
411.   El Lay Dave
404 He couldn't hear the contact?
2007-08-14 22:31:57
412.   Eric Stephen
401 I was thinking the same thing...can you imagine the uproar if Kemp, Loney, Young, or Abreu pulled that move?

The good news now is that the doors needed to be broken down by the younguns are now quite breakable. In fact, I think they are screen doors.

2007-08-14 22:32:03
413.   ImprobableImpossible
email me
2007-08-14 22:32:38
414.   Greg Brock
It's times like this I wish we had those rooms that therapists have where you go in and swear and cry and deal with your emotions. But mainly someplace where we could swear.

Show me on the doll where the Dodgers touched you.

2007-08-14 22:32:38
415.   KG16
I don't have a problem with Pierre swinging at that pitch. He didn't make good contact, it happens. I'm more flabbergasted by Sweeny's baserunning exploits.
2007-08-14 22:32:41
416.   Telemachos
2007-08-14 22:33:01
417.   Daniel Zappala
409 Demonstrating to the rookies how to hustle?
2007-08-14 22:33:13
418.   trainwreck
Mark Sweeney, think you're a rockstar?

Mr. Keith Moon.

2007-08-14 22:33:16
419.   xaphor
406 . Is McCourt going to take the Dodgers in to check the alignment?
2007-08-14 22:33:19
420.   Eric Enders
412 They may be screen doors, but mgmt is still standing by the door with a flyswatter.
2007-08-14 22:33:39
421.   El Lay Dave
412 LaRoche's back is apparently not up to door-breaking. Even screen doors.
2007-08-14 22:33:42
422.   scareduck
413 - Show me on the doll where the Dodgers touched you.

I'm still laughing!

2007-08-14 22:34:09
423.   Branch Rickey
409. Isn't that pretty much what I said?
2007-08-14 22:34:16
424.   PDH5204
Again, Vin Scully: M. Sweeney = real Dodger [priceless].

"It's gonna happen"--Grady Little following the blunder of the year and Adolph Hitler moments before swallowing that cyanide capsule in his bunker with the Red Army invading Berlin.

2007-08-14 22:34:37
425.   Daniel Zappala
414 Oh man, Brock, that was funny. I don't have any urge to swear, oddly. Gave that up a long time ago. I'll just get back to digging out a stump from my front yard tomorrow.
2007-08-14 22:34:58
426.   El Lay Dave
414 ! !! !!!
2007-08-14 22:35:14
427.   Eric Stephen
414 If I ever get around to writing a book, regardless of its subject, I am going to entitle one of the chapters "Show me on the doll where the Dodgers touched you".

Don't worry though, Brock. You'll get royalties.

2007-08-14 22:35:37
428.   Branch Rickey
Brock's had two good ones. I don't like writing LOL but the fact is, I was.
2007-08-14 22:35:45
429.   Greg Brock
There is comedy gold in this thread.
2007-08-14 22:35:55
430.   King of the Hobos
405 Gonzo was type A last year, and I would assume he'll be type A again this off season.
2007-08-14 22:36:14
431.   Telemachos
I'm seriously laughing now. Somehow the dam has broken... I've hit full acceptance. Like Vin said, "Sweeney's a true Dodger now."

I thought the Kent/Drew fiasco was the stupidest baserunning gaffe I'd ever seen in my (not too long) lifetime. This might take the cake.

It hurts a lot less than last year though.


2007-08-14 22:36:14
432.   Icaros
I can only think that tonight's final play is the karmic retribution I should have expected after having D4P visit my home.
2007-08-14 22:36:18
433.   trainwreck
Pierre's just acting depressed, because he thinks it's cool.
2007-08-14 22:36:26
434.   Eric Enders
429 Says the man responsible for most of it. You're in fine form tonight, friend.
2007-08-14 22:36:43
435.   Lexinthedena
Tommorrow's DT headline should be the doll line....

Maybe Janet Reno can bring the Dodgers to trial....

2007-08-14 22:36:44
436.   bigcpa
405 Gonzalez was a type A last year- rated #20 out of 35 1b/of. So it could happen.
2007-08-14 22:37:16
437.   Bob Timmermann
Does the Dodger bobblehead make you feel good about yourself?
Does the Diamondback bobblhead make you feel good about yourself?
If you wanted to pick one of these bobbleheads to play with, which one would it be?
2007-08-14 22:38:18
438.   El Lay Dave
Show me on the doll where the Dodgers touched you

I, too, laughed out loud, repeatedly.

Line of the season. No contest.

2007-08-14 22:38:19
439.   preacherroe
That was memorably dumb. In the early '70's Dock Ellis pitched a game for the Pirates on acid and didn't do anything that dumb.This is a streak like no other of futility, ineptitude, lameness, poverty of mind and spirit, despair, catastrophe, you name it.
2007-08-14 22:38:20
440.   Eric Stephen
432 Your home?! Where your wife sleeps? Where your children come and play with their toys?
2007-08-14 22:38:56
441.   Bob Timmermann
At the end of the game, Tony Jackson went over to the press dining room and got a bunch of mustard packets and then tried to figure out how to wire them in such a way that he could fashion them into an explosive device.
2007-08-14 22:39:07
442.   trainwreck
The Juice needs a "Please Explain: Bobbleheads."
2007-08-14 22:39:12
443.   Greg Brock
Don't thank me. Thank Kee MacFarlane.

Unless you're Ray Buckey. Then probably not so much.

2007-08-14 22:39:20
444.   Daniel Zappala
Jon, I hope you get over your flu soon. If you need someone to write a few entries while you're sick (if it gets that bad), Brock can step in.
2007-08-14 22:39:21
445.   scareduck
We are missing the more important aspect of this ending. Bob Timmermann and Eric Stephen are spared from having to waste their money on a Juan Pierre jersey.
2007-08-14 22:40:17
446.   grandcosmo
The Dodgers "analysts" really have their claws out tonight.

Steve Lyons, "Its not a smart play, its not a heads up play."

Kevin Kennedy, "Mark's got to know better than that."

It is for insight like that that you need four different announcers in two studios.

2007-08-14 22:40:33
447.   Daniel Zappala
Is this as dumb as falling off the mound?
2007-08-14 22:40:51
448.   Eric Stephen
445 I almost made the bold statement on DT day that if Pierre got 4 hits I would purchase a #9 jersey then and there, but I thought better of it.
2007-08-14 22:42:06
449.   bigcpa
439 Didn't he pitch a no-hitter in that game?
2007-08-14 22:42:14
450.   natepurcell

I guess games played counts for alot in the rating system.

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2007-08-14 22:42:17
451.   Lexinthedena
Steve Lyons is the Dane Cook of baseball analysts....
2007-08-14 22:42:32
452.   Cornell Blue Fan
413 - You have mail
2007-08-14 22:42:39
453.   El Lay Dave
446 To be fair, just what can the analysts say about that?

Steve Lyons: Sometimes you just space out, man, and don't realize where you are or what you're doing, like when you need to clear some dirt out of your sliding pants.

2007-08-14 22:42:41
454.   fanerman
Man. I can't believe I missed it!
2007-08-14 22:43:40
455.   trainwreck
He steals comments?
2007-08-14 22:44:01
456.   El Lay Dave
449 Yep, the famed Dock Ellis pitching on acid no-hitter kool-aid test.
2007-08-14 22:44:10
457.   Jon Weisman
444 - Well, I'll be Wally Pipped!
2007-08-14 22:44:25
458.   scareduck
442 - Dodger Thoughts needs a "Please Explain: Juan Pierre".
2007-08-14 22:44:50
459.   natepurcell

I thought Carlos Mencia was the big "comment stealer".

2007-08-14 22:45:01
460.   El Lay Dave
450 That's it! Ned/Grady continued to play LuGo to make him a type A free agent. Brilliant!
2007-08-14 22:45:23
461.   Lexinthedena
456- Someone should have slipped Tomko a tab in May...
2007-08-14 22:46:21
462.   Icaros
The downside of the LuGo Type A thing is that you still have to offer him arbitration.

Is that a risk we're willing to take?

2007-08-14 22:46:38
463.   grandcosmo
453. >>>To be fair, just what can the analysts say about that?

What do Lyons or Kennedy say about anything?

Maybe Kennedy as the ex-manager he keeps reminding us he is should tell us how Little should react to something like that. Does Sweeney get his a__ chewed in the clubhouse, does he get a consoling pat on the back, etc...

Lyons I've written off.

2007-08-14 22:46:50
464.   trainwreck
They both are. Robin Williams does it a lot too. I am sure a bunch of comedians do.
2007-08-14 22:47:45
465.   scareduck
Jose Offerman, now playing indy ball, attacks a pitcher with his bat:

2007-08-14 22:48:12
466.   Jon Weisman
132 comments in the 40 minutes since the game ended.
2007-08-14 22:48:29
467.   Daniel Zappala
431 I'm imagining a new graph at Fangraphs. X-axis: dumbness. Y-axis: importance. Plot the dumbest plays in history on the graph, where those that are both dumb and cost you the most (a game, a season, a pennant) are up in the top right corner. I don't think this one edges out the Kent/Drew play at home last year. Ruth getting caught stealing to end the WS is perhaps the biggest blunder?
2007-08-14 22:48:30
468.   Lexinthedena
464- I think it is kind of a part of the buisness....Cook and Mencia are resented because they are hacks AND they steal...
2007-08-14 22:48:57
469.   El Lay Dave
461 How about March? What would the Jackie Robinson poster have looked like?
2007-08-14 22:49:07
470.   natepurcell

Colletti: "Hey Luis, we're offering you arbitration but you have to agree to not accept. If you do, well...just think of the triplets. I'm not sayin' but....I'm just sayin'."

2007-08-14 22:50:10
471.   grandcosmo
467. Merkle
2007-08-14 22:50:34
472.   El Lay Dave
So where was Mariano Duncan and what was he doing when Sweeney started to wander away?
2007-08-14 22:51:13
473.   Greg Brock
Since we've been dead threaded, I'd just like to say that I approve of making Brett Tomko dose before pitching.

I'll bet his art would be pretty cool.

2007-08-14 22:51:20
474.   Eric Stephen
Didn't the Padres offer arb to a few guys last year on the condition that they not accept? I'm thinking Klesko and Roberts here. They probably would have with Woody Williams except the Astros signed Woody before the arb deadline!
2007-08-14 22:51:50
475.   Daniel Zappala
471 Definitely did not outdo Merkle tonight.
2007-08-14 22:52:07
476.   Jon Weisman
465 - Wow.

New post up top.

2007-08-14 22:52:13
477.   Eric Enders
467 I don't think Ruth would rank near the top. Ruth was the tying run. He was trying to catch them by surprise and get into scoring position. He stole 123 bases in his career and 11 that year.
2007-08-14 22:54:27
478.   El Lay Dave
465 "He hit him with a cut fastball in the left calf," Bluefish manager Tommy John said of the pitch that began the melee.

The Tommy John, I presume?

Has Offerman become a complete lunatic?

2007-08-14 22:59:06
479.   PDH5204
Speaking of things stolen, from Dodger Blues under the thread heading, If murder was legal, which Dodger would you kill first?

First answer: Brett Tomko. 2-10 and an ERA just below 5.70, why is this person allowed to live? I just don't understand. In the classy olden days of Rome, he would be fodder for gladiators, or just feed to lions. But that was then. These days, someone that s----- gets a multiyear contract for several million dollars."


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