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August 17 Game Chat
2007-08-17 17:05
by Jon Weisman

Tonight's game:


Retro Gameday

Comments (415)
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2007-08-17 17:30:25
1.   Jon Weisman
2007-08-17 17:32:45
2.   Bob Timmermann
Ervin and Earvin have been popular topics today.
2007-08-17 17:38:57
3.   Telemachos
I really hope someone scores against Webb soon.
2007-08-17 17:39:13
4.   Bob Timmermann
37 straight shutout innings for Webb.
2007-08-17 17:42:31
5.   Eric Enders
Somebody needs to speak up for the Irvins of the world. Are there no fans of Monte or Winkler?
2007-08-17 17:43:51
6.   Telemachos
This really puts Orel's record in perspective: Webb has been astonishing, but he still needs the equivalent of 2+ additional CG shutouts to tie the record.
2007-08-17 17:45:36
7.   Eric Enders
Despite the speculation, LaRoche is not in the 51s lineup tonight. Although neither is Abreu, so make of that what you will.
2007-08-17 17:50:45
8.   Bob Timmermann
2007-08-17 17:51:45
9.   ToyCannon
Big game from Mark Sweeney tonight.

Hawpe is none to good against LHP though this is offset by Spilborghs who just murders them with a 1.278 OPS this year. Holiday is very pedestrian on the road.

2007-08-17 17:55:25
10.   El Lay Dave
Nice posts today in True Blue LA on the draft and on the effect of the Zambrano extension on the Dodgers.
2007-08-17 17:55:46
11.   bigcpa
Looks like Webb would hit 60 straight in San Diego.
2007-08-17 18:00:57
12.   Sam DC
2007-08-17 18:01:49
13.   Bob Timmermann
San Diego is the place for such records!
2007-08-17 18:02:11
14.   underdog
Huh, didn't realize Meloan gave up a home run last night. Oh well, so he's human. Bring him up anyway.
2007-08-17 18:04:47
15.   bigcpa
13 That's what I was getting at!
2007-08-17 18:08:53
16.   Sam DC
Bob Carpenter: "Here's Nook . . . big spot in the game . . . will they pitch to him?"

Uh, yeah Bob. I think they will.

2007-08-17 18:15:20
17.   KG16
what's the official count on Hershiser's record? Did he pass 60 at the start of '89?
2007-08-17 18:15:52
18.   King of the Hobos
16 And yet he's valuable enough to force Church into a platoon with Pena?
2007-08-17 18:18:57
19.   Indiana Jon
Hershiser's record is the 2nd hardest record to break in baseball next to Dimaggio's streak. That's why in 20 years nobody has been close to it and why Brandon Webb will fall well short of it.
2007-08-17 18:27:54
20.   gpellamjr
I hate the Diamondbacks.

I should probably hate the Dodgers instead.

2007-08-17 18:28:00
21.   KG16
19 - I'd say Cy Young's career win record is the hardest to break, but DiMaggio's and Orel's are right up there too
2007-08-17 18:28:26
22.   Sam DC
18: The thing is, both Church and Choi start with C, H.

So I think you just have to understand the kind of situation we have out here with Mr. Church.

2007-08-17 18:29:08
23.   Zak
I suspect we will see Hershiser's streak and Di Maggio's streak passed in our lifetimes. I don't think we will see Ripken's streak passed in our lifetime and we certainly won't see Cy Young's record broken.

If Webb wasn't playing for a direct competitor that we need to lose, I'd be really enjoying this run. There is something so appealing in a run like this. As baseball fans, part of the reason we watch so many innings of baseball every year is so we can get a chance to see something magical.. something most professional major leaguers can't come close to doing, and this streak certainly is getting to that point where it is exciting to watch. Man, I wish he didn't pitch for the DBacks though.

2007-08-17 18:29:45
24.   El Lay Dave
19 How about Hack Wilson's 191 RBI record that has held up since 1930? Closest since WWII is Manny Ramirez's 165 in 1999.
2007-08-17 18:29:49
25.   Indiana Jon
21 Your right. I was actually referring to single season non-career records, but I failed to mention that. Cobb's career average would be another one on the career side.
2007-08-17 18:31:50
26.   Indiana Jon
24 It was probably a tougher one in the 60's, 70's and 80's, but these days it may be more reality than Hershiser's. What's the closest anyone has been to Hershiser? Is it Webb?
2007-08-17 18:32:44
27.   KG16
25 - then in that case, yeah, I'd agree with you, though Wilson's RBI record is pretty insane.
2007-08-17 18:34:32
28.   Zak
81 pitches through 7 scoreless innings. This guy is sick.
2007-08-17 18:39:52
29.   NorCal-Dodger
Geez, looks like the entire Braves team goes after the 1st pitch
2007-08-17 18:40:42
30.   Zak
It's fun looking at some of these career records. It's hard to imagine any of these will be broken.

Career SB - Rickey Henderson 1406 - current highest Lofton 620

Career 3B - Sam Crawford 309 - current Finley 124

Career hits - Pete Rose 4256 - current Biggio 3031

I don't think anyone is even on pace to break these records.

2007-08-17 18:42:01
31.   Zak
29 Like the Dodgers did when we played him. Vin kept saying that we were going after the first pitch, but some Dodger player (forgot who) said something to the effect of, you lay off a couple of pitches and you were down 0-2 with this guy, so you had to swing anything that was near the zone.
2007-08-17 18:42:53
32.   Zak
Without looking, who is the career leader in most losses and who is the active leader in most losses?

The answers are pretty easy and pretty obvious.

2007-08-17 18:43:18
33.   natepurcell

where did those Tim Hallgren quotes come from in your comment in the last thread?

2007-08-17 18:44:15
34.   NorCal-Dodger
Tomko and Hendrickson??
2007-08-17 18:46:14
35.   Indiana Jon
32 I think Cy Young himself is the leader in career losses. Active leader I'll guess, Jamie Moyer?
2007-08-17 18:47:44
36.   Eric Enders
Most unbreakable single-season record? Will White's 75 complete games pitched in a season.
2007-08-17 18:47:48
37.   El Lay Dave
Webb up to 41. Dbacks lead 4-0 on four solo HRs.
2007-08-17 18:49:41
38.   El Lay Dave
32 Cy Young and Greg Maddux?
2007-08-17 18:50:20
39.   El Lay Dave
36 Only because Lasorda's not managing anymore.
2007-08-17 18:51:46
40.   Zak
38 You got it. I'd have guessed Moyer too until I looked it up.
2007-08-17 18:54:15
41.   El Lay Dave
Webb pitching the ninth (he hit in the top of the ninth) vs. Diaz, Harris, Johnson.

And Diaz K'd.

2007-08-17 18:55:43
42.   El Lay Dave
40 Maddux had to pitch for the Cubs!

Harris F9.

2007-08-17 18:57:13
43.   Indiana Jon
42 innings. Only two more shutouts and he's there. Of course, with only 13 more games with a hit we would be talking about Rose and not Dimaggio too.
2007-08-17 18:57:36
44.   El Lay Dave
And Johnson 4-3. 42 scoreless IP streak for Webb, third consecutive shutout.
2007-08-17 18:58:00
45.   Jon Weisman
I'm in awe of Webb.

Meanwhile, the Angels get a gem from Santana, and Shields and K-Rod blow it.

2007-08-17 18:58:36
46.   Jon Weisman
Did someone already look to see whom Webb faces next?
2007-08-17 18:59:22
47.   Jon Weisman
I've also lost track of Jenks. Has he pitched since tying Barr's record?
2007-08-17 19:00:32
48.   MC Safety
Webb is a fantasy god.
2007-08-17 19:01:55
49.   Bluebleeder87
watching the BoSox Vs Angel game, I don't recognize this version of Eric Gagne.
2007-08-17 19:02:32
50.   Eric Enders
Webb's next three starts:
Aug 22 vs MIL
Aug 28 @SD
Sep 2 vs COL
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2007-08-17 19:02:43
51.   Bob Timmermann
Jenks did not pitch in Oakland.
2007-08-17 19:03:41
52.   MC Safety
Paul Shuey sighting in Toronto. I had no idea that guy could still pick up a baseball.
2007-08-17 19:05:38
53.   Andrew Shimmin
Lowe on the pre-game show says his hip is completely healed. I accept this without reservation.


2007-08-17 19:05:39
54.   Bob Timmermann
Shuey had a hip problem, not an arm problem.
2007-08-17 19:06:09
55.   Bluebleeder87
Gagne has men at 3rd & 1st with only one out, he's been pretty wild also.
2007-08-17 19:06:24
56.   Eric Enders
52 , see 53 .
2007-08-17 19:07:14
57.   Eric Enders
I screwed up the numbers, as usual. That should be, 53 , meet 54 . Just ignore me from now on.
2007-08-17 19:07:52
58.   NorCal-Dodger
Gagne just blew the save
2007-08-17 19:08:17
59.   Jon Weisman
This is not my beautiful Gagne.
2007-08-17 19:09:36
60.   NorCal-Dodger
Ex-Dodgers in Beantown not doing too well
2007-08-17 19:11:34
61.   El Lay Dave
58 and is now the "pitcher of record", down 7-5. Vlad doubled in two.
2007-08-17 19:12:23
62.   El Lay Dave
59 That was apparently a once in a lifetime experience.
2007-08-17 19:14:36
63.   NorCal-Dodger
If Gagne keeps this up..instead of "Welcome to the Jungle" they should be playing "Welcome to my Nightmare"
2007-08-17 19:15:07
64.   El Lay Dave
From Diamond Leung's blog:
Matt Kemp underwent an MRI on the right knee he slammed into the wall trying to make a catch on Wednesday after it became swollen yesterday. Kemp is out of the lineup, but available today.
2007-08-17 19:19:16
65.   MC Safety
54-Whoops, nevertheless I hadnt heard that name in some time. I have no idea where I got Paul Shuey and devastating arm injury.
2007-08-17 19:24:36
66.   Indiana Jon
Greg Miller looking good tonight. He started and in 4 innings has 6 K and 0 BB. He has given up 2 ER.
2007-08-17 19:31:12
67.   ToyCannon
That would be his 2nd good outing in a row. A boy can continue to dream.
2007-08-17 19:34:24
68.   Linkmeister
Snarl. The game's not on Prime Ticket out here.
2007-08-17 19:35:18
69.   ToyCannon
The Angel/Red Sox DH is why I no longer bet on baseball games.

1st game - Lackey one of the top 5 pitchers in the AL going against a top prospect but still just his 1st start in the big leagues. Red Sox rough up Lackey and the Kid does just enough with big help from the dominating bullpen to get a win.

2nd Game - Josh Becket another top 5 pitcher going against the worse road record pitcher in the AL. Santana throws a gem, probably his best game all season and even when Shields gives it all back, the Big Daddy Vlady comes through and Gagne is booed off the mound.

Not easy being an ex-Dodger in Beantown these days.

2007-08-17 19:37:34
70.   ucladodger

Speaking of Greg Miller, Edwin Jackson with another solid outing tonight. 6 innings 2 runs, but got no support. Walks were high as his command wasnt there, but he battled like crazy and ended up with a nice game. That makes 5 quality starts in his last 6 outings.

2007-08-17 19:42:00
71.   Bluebleeder87
pretty odd but I'm looking more forward to seeing Stultz AB's than his pitching.
2007-08-17 19:44:03
72.   Bob Timmermann
You know how I feel about the Z!
2007-08-17 19:44:11
73.   Gen3Blue
What kind of line-up is this? Well we have our vet corner men, Hildebrand and Sweeney.
2007-08-17 19:45:56
74.   Bob Timmermann
Do you mean former All-Star Oral Hildebrand?

2007-08-17 19:46:34
75.   CanuckDodger
Edwin Jackson, Joel Hanrahan, Greg Miller, James Loney, Franklin Gutierrez. The original "Canuck Five." Three of them are playing for other organizations, playing in the majors, and playing well, and there is no reason to believe their futures won't be even brighter.
2007-08-17 19:49:42
76.   Bob Timmermann
George Hildebrand played for the Dodgers in 1902.

2007-08-17 19:50:47
77.   Sam DC
So Bob, you don't do anything with batter's interference I gather:

Scott Rolen strikes out swinging, catcher Jason Kendall. Albert Pujols out at 1st. Albert Pujols out on batter interference. Three outs."

2007-08-17 19:52:01
78.   Bob Timmermann
Bah, no time!

It's also not counted or listed in the boxscore.

2007-08-17 19:53:56
79.   bryanf
Sweeney forgot how many strikes there were.
2007-08-17 19:56:04
80.   Bob Timmermann
The Astros actually have a lead in San Diego against Peavy, 1-0, on a Berkman homer.
2007-08-17 19:58:21
81.   Gen3Blue
Okay Hillenbrand or whatever. I don't really want this guy around long enough to learn how to spell his name. I am happy with the way we seem to be developing a home grown team, but I still think we could do that and try to win.
2007-08-17 19:59:07
82.   bryanf
80 Peavy seems to be pretty on his game though. Six Ks in 3+ innings.
2007-08-17 20:00:39
83.   bryanf
Sweet! 4 straight Ks for Eric S.
2007-08-17 20:00:50
84.   Bob Timmermann
That's a positively Stults-ian performance!
2007-08-17 20:02:24
85.   Andrew Shimmin
Is it too soon to declare Eric Stults the new Johan Santana?
2007-08-17 20:02:38
86.   ToyCannon
Does a spirit inhabit Stults when he moves from AAA to the bigs?
2007-08-17 20:03:24
87.   bryanf
Fogg almost looked like "yeah I knew that was coming" right there.
2007-08-17 20:03:34
88.   CanuckDodger
83 -- David Wells could have struck out five in a row, just because he has the whole veteran thing going for him.
2007-08-17 20:05:10
89.   bryanf
I love watching the security guys run with their folding chairs when balls get hit down the line.
2007-08-17 20:05:30
90.   Andrew Shimmin
88- Have you weighed in on the Blair business? Still looking through this morning's thread, so, if it's there, never mind. . .
2007-08-17 20:05:36
91.   underdog
Kent looks like he's over whatever it was. Stults looks like he's over his PCL-itis. So far so good.
2007-08-17 20:05:40
92.   CanuckDodger
85 -- I say we declare Johan Santana the old Eric Stults.
2007-08-17 20:06:20
93.   Greg Brock
The Windmill has really been dialing it down recently.
2007-08-17 20:07:05
94.   Robert Daeley
Vin: "And the throw is somewhere near where you are sitting!"
2007-08-17 20:07:05
95.   bryanf
93 The winds must be dying down.
2007-08-17 20:08:27
96.   King of the Hobos
J. Hannahan and J. Hanrahan each decided to come up at the same time, confusing everyone in the process. Well, I doubt they're really confusing anyone, but they have the potential to do so, especially if there's ever an Oakland v Washington game on ESPN.
2007-08-17 20:09:14
97.   underdog
Me likes these kind of innings, me likes!

By the way, what happened to The Windmill? Someone take away his rotor?

2007-08-17 20:09:28
98.   Greg Brock
So does Shea get a two year deal or a two year with a club option?
2007-08-17 20:09:32
99.   Bob Timmermann
We'll worry about that come World Series time!
2007-08-17 20:11:11
100.   CanuckDodger
90 -- I did that Wednesday evening. You must have missed it. Or are you talking about responding to John Manuel's comment that the Dodgers offered Blair $1.1 million but Blair wanted $1.3 million? If that's true, then you have to rule out McCourt either being cheap or not wanting to stand up to Selig, the latter because McCourt would get just as much of a scolding for paying $1.1 million.
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2007-08-17 20:12:57
101.   Andrew Shimmin
Hillenbrand is gone at the end of the year. Whether Ned lets him go, or whether other measures have to be taken, I can't be sure.
2007-08-17 20:13:41
102.   Sam DC
Wow -- runs. A whole bunch of runs.
2007-08-17 20:14:38
103.   bryanf
It's going to be a good night.
2007-08-17 20:14:44
104.   Andrew Shimmin
100- The comment bhsportsguy posted in the last thread made it sound like it was a straight money thing. They had to pick between Blair and Withrow, and went with Withrow.
2007-08-17 20:15:11
105.   underdog
That's the kind of seeing eye hit the Dodgers didn't get at all during their slump.
2007-08-17 20:15:21
106.   Greg Brock
I approve of five run leads in the second inning.

This is like the opposite of misery.

2007-08-17 20:15:35
107.   Indiana Jon
Hard to believe with this lineup.
2007-08-17 20:15:41
108.   Andrew Shimmin
I'm starting to question where this Fogg fellow is very good.
2007-08-17 20:16:04
109.   underdog
102 That's what I said the other night after I ate at this bad taqueria.
2007-08-17 20:16:09
110.   Sam DC
Juan Pierre singles in the pitcher.

What's that, the door?

Sure, Mr. McMahon, come on in!

2007-08-17 20:16:19
111.   Bob Timmermann
Vin didn't use "stultifying" correctly there. I hope Eric isn't feel "stultified."
2007-08-17 20:17:06
112.   Bob Timmermann
I saw Fogg throw a shutout in Seattle last year.
2007-08-17 20:20:09
113.   King of the Hobos
108 Just remember: the Rockies started Tim Harikkala a few days ago.
2007-08-17 20:20:42
114.   PlayTwo
Unlike some others, Hillenbrand's career is on the line. That makes it worth watching him. If he can't put together two good mos., he's looking at a minor league deal next year if that. Nice to see someone hungry with a bat in his hands.
2007-08-17 20:21:59
115.   Andrew Shimmin
112- Thanks. Didn't want to bother with a correction, but that "where" ought to have been a "whether." Which I think I instinctively realized I'd already used too many times today. But my subconscious substitution just made the thing nonsense. Stupid gibberish speaking subconscious.
2007-08-17 20:23:01
116.   Bob Timmermann
The Rockies also started Elmer Dessens last night.
2007-08-17 20:23:56
117.   King of the Hobos
How many people name their kids after backup catchers?
2007-08-17 20:24:53
118.   Bob Timmermann
So if Wells wants to pitch for someone on the West Coast and it won't be San Diego, that leaves San Francisco (no), Oakland (no), Seattle (unlikely), Los Angeles (DING DING DING).
2007-08-17 20:25:50
119.   Andrew Shimmin
Clint Hurdle, you magnificent bastard. Ch-i bless you!
2007-08-17 20:25:52
120.   Bob Timmermann
I have a brother named Michael.
2007-08-17 20:26:01
121.   underdog
In Colonel Klink voice: "Stuuuulllltss!"
2007-08-17 20:26:08
122.   CanuckDodger
104 -- I too would have picked Withrow over Blair with our first rounder at #20. But if the Dodgers thought Blair would also have been a legitimate pick there, then not giving him the extra $200,000 seems silly, because the Dodgers would have given that to him had they picked him #20 in the first place. But do we really believe Manuel is correct?
2007-08-17 20:26:26
123.   King of the Hobos
118 Is that an announcement or just speculation?
2007-08-17 20:27:10
124.   scooplew
We scored more runs in the 2nd inning than we had in 11 of our past 16 games, and I think we are going to need all of them and more.
2007-08-17 20:27:47
125.   Marty
If I see David Wells in a Dodger uniform, I'm hitching my wagon to Shimmin and rooting for the Dbacks.
2007-08-17 20:29:23
126.   Bob Timmermann

Contreras is pitching tonight for Chicago.

2007-08-17 20:30:19
127.   Gen3Blue
Hey, Stultz allready has four strikeouts.
I'm afraid the offense might quit here, and rest on their laurels.
2007-08-17 20:30:40
128.   underdog
126 With Dodgers scouts apparently there watching him.

Wells, Contreras, more reason to root hard for Stults tonight.

2007-08-17 20:31:46
129.   Bob Timmermann
I'm just going to beat my head against a wall until I develop a subdural hematoma.

It's been nice knowing you folks.

2007-08-17 20:33:59
130.   underdog
Stults has 5 Ks actually. Eric Stoltz has none so far, though.
2007-08-17 20:35:02
131.   Gen3Blue
Hold up a minute Bob, perhaps I am being to pessimistic. Don't want no hematomas on my watch.
2007-08-17 20:35:16
132.   scooplew
127 We do that a lot, don't we?
2007-08-17 20:35:49
133.   bryanf
131 Well, Eric Stoltz struck out trying to play Marty McFly.
2007-08-17 20:35:55
134.   Sam DC
Will John Smols be available next year do you think, Bob?
2007-08-17 20:35:57
135.   Daniel Zappala
Remember, this is just game 3 of 10 wins in a row. Enjoy yourselves!
2007-08-17 20:36:19
136.   Andrew Shimmin
131- Bob's only irritated by the misspelling. He's easily vexed, but only in very specific ways.
2007-08-17 20:37:11
137.   Bluebleeder87
It seems like ever sense Martin went on his little home run tear he's been aiming for the fences.
2007-08-17 20:38:28
138.   underdog
Mink Stoles' pitching tomorow for the Rockies, I think.
2007-08-17 20:38:50
139.   Brian Y
134. Smoltz re-upped with the bravos
2007-08-17 20:40:54
140.   Brian Y
Anyone know how Fukudome is doing in Japan? he's a FA after this year correct?
2007-08-17 20:43:20
141.   underdog
2007-08-17 20:43:55
142.   Bob Timmermann
He's injured right now.
2007-08-17 20:44:55
143.   King of the Hobos
140 Just had surgery and is out for the year. Apparently he will be a FA, but only because some recent rule change (his injury was going to bring him just short of the required service time). I'm not sure how he was doing this year, or where to get 2007 Japan stats.
2007-08-17 20:45:38
144.   Brian Y
142, boooooooo! Do you think he'll get enough time served there to still be a FA after this year? is it a bad injury or a sprained ankle type?
2007-08-17 20:45:46
145.   Indiana Jon
140 Isn't he out for the rest of the year?
2007-08-17 20:45:56
146.   bryanf
At least the CarMax text voters picked the right one of the three:

Lee 2007 OPS+: 128
Holliday 2007 OPS+: 146
Byrnes 2007 OPS+: 117

There is, however, a guy named Bonds who plays LF in the NL with an OPS+ of 183. Someone with PI access at baseball-reference can tell us if there is someone better playing LF in the NL.

2007-08-17 20:46:11
147.   Brian Y
143. thank you, now disregard my last post lol
2007-08-17 20:46:12
148.   Andrew Shimmin
143- Looks like a career year.

2007-08-17 20:46:57
149.   Bob Timmermann
Fukudome was 294/443/520 with 13 HRs in 81 games for Chunichi.
2007-08-17 20:47:31
150.   MC Safety
134- i heard ned was after aaron fults but the indians wanted kemp.
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2007-08-17 20:48:19
151.   Bluebleeder87
Let's go deep Stultz!
2007-08-17 20:48:36
152.   Bob Timmermann
Don't forget that a lot of people spell the Dodgers leftfielder's name as Gonzales.
2007-08-17 20:48:41
153.   CanuckDodger
Greg Miller pitched five innings today without walking anybody, and the 7 K's are nice too. I hope this means his bout with Ankielism is over.

And Xavier Paul is back from injury and hit two HR's in the Suns' game.

2007-08-17 20:48:47
154.   Bluebleeder87
we'll take the double also though.
2007-08-17 20:48:48
155.   Andrew Shimmin
Top four NL LF by VORP

Bonds 51.3
Holliday 50.9
Byrnes 35.6
Lee 33.6

2007-08-17 20:49:23
156.   underdog
Boy, that was a horrible pitch from Fogg but it's still cool to see Stults running the bases.
2007-08-17 20:49:38
157.   Andrew Shimmin
148- Unfortunately, I can't read. His 2007 numbers aren't listed.
2007-08-17 20:49:46
158.   King of the Hobos
The world's greatest LOOGY struggled a bit today, allowing 3 runs in 2 IP, striking out 3 and walking 1. Tim Sexton pitched 5 innings of relief, allowing 3 runs, striking out 6, and walking 3.
2007-08-17 20:50:27
159.   MC Safety
155- Looks like the Nl West is cornering the VORP market.
2007-08-17 20:50:44
160.   Brian Y
i think Fukudome could be a great pick-up. he strikes out a lot but he also walks a lot and has decent power and speed.

he could be a nice upgrade in the OF giving us enough depth to trade for a decent SP.

2007-08-17 20:52:00
161.   Andrew Shimmin
159- Some day, maybe the Dodgers will get a LF like my D'backs have.
2007-08-17 20:52:11
162.   max power
Stults looks better at the plate than Saenz, Lucille, Sweeney, and Hillenbrand.
2007-08-17 20:52:44
163.   Bob Timmermann
They're on the front page of that site.
2007-08-17 20:54:17
164.   underdog
161 Who let the Diamondbacks fan in here? Go back to hanging out by the pool in the outfield in that thing I only loosely call a ballpark.
2007-08-17 20:55:03
165.   Bob Timmermann
Fukudome had 69 walks and 66 Ks. He hit 22 doubles and no triples.

The leaders in each league in Japan in triples have 6 and 5.

Japanese players don't go for triples often.

2007-08-17 20:55:57
166.   Bob Timmermann
Peavy was pinch hit for in the 7th. So it's the Padres pen facing the Astros now.
2007-08-17 20:56:02
167.   Greg Brock
Eric Stults will K you and everyone you've ever loved.
2007-08-17 20:56:10
168.   Bluebleeder87
not to bad for Mr. Stults 7 K's in 5 innings.
2007-08-17 20:56:34
169.   bryanf
165 Serious about triples? Is that cultural thing? Doesn't Ichiro hit a lot of triples?
2007-08-17 20:56:49
170.   scooplew
Leading off the next inning for the Dodgers will be the likable Sweeney, batting in the No. 3 hole for the only the second game this season and the 55th game in a major league career that began in 1995 and includes 1096 contests.
Sweeney, often described as a professional hitter, has played with seven different teams in his career, including three stints with the Padres.
Sweeney was forn on Oct. 26, 1969, 10 days after the Mets finished off the Orioles in the World Series.
2007-08-17 20:57:49
171.   kngoworld
Japanese players don't go for triples often.

They would if Juan Pierre played over there.

2007-08-17 20:58:17
172.   bryanf
WOW this is a fun pitching performance to watch...
2007-08-17 20:58:54
173.   NorCal-Dodger
Stults is pitching crazy, must think that Colorado is in Flushing, New York
2007-08-17 20:58:57
174.   Jon Weisman
110 - LOL
2007-08-17 20:59:33
175.   Gen3Blue
So far Stults is more fun to watch than Hendy/Tomko. We could stand to score in more than one inning though.
2007-08-17 21:00:14
176.   underdog
9, I say, 9 strikeouts for Stults. Wow.
2007-08-17 21:00:18
177.   Bob Timmermann
Yes, Japanese players don't go for a lot of triples.
First of all, there are no good triples parks as just about every stadium has a similar layout with symmetrical fences that don't give up bad bounces.

The fences also aren't really deep. There are no stadiums with 420' sections. They are almost all 330-400-330 stadiums.

Also, Japanese players are really afraid of being thrown out on the bases.

Ichiro had 12 triples in one season for the Mariners, but he has just 55 in his career in MLB.

2007-08-17 21:00:19
178.   NorCal-Dodger
Guess, he just earned another start 5 days from now.
2007-08-17 21:02:31
179.   King of the Hobos
After hitting a homer and amassing 3 walks, Anthony Raglani is now hitting .250/.378/.470. Can I assume, due to his age (24 in AA), Ks, and batting average, that the Dodgers don't think especially high of him? He seems to dislike Jacksonville, hitting .219/.324/.438 there, while he's hitting .279/.423/.510 on the road.
2007-08-17 21:04:24
180.   Brian Y
179. Jacksonville is a pitchers park. That just shows HOW good our positional prospects were when they were there. But if he goes to Vegas he'll have inflated stats. So you take the good you take the bad you take a look and there you have....the facts of life.
2007-08-17 21:04:38
181.   Bluebleeder87
125 ,126

with the start Stults has so far we can kind of rest easier so far.

2007-08-17 21:05:13
182.   CanuckDodger
Is Stults' stuff looking really good or are the Rockies' hitters just stupidly hacking at bad pitches? What's Stults' fastball velocity tonight? How is the breaking pitch breaking? Is the change-up just plain fooling guys?
2007-08-17 21:05:33
183.   bryanf
177 I learn something from you every day Bob. Usually two or three things actually.
2007-08-17 21:05:41
184.   scooplew
178 Given Little's feelings about Tomko, Stults may be pitching too well to have earned another start.
2007-08-17 21:08:10
185.   dzzrtRatt
Just logging on now.

We've got the "early bird special" lineup today -- almost exclusively old guys. Any reason why?

Maybe it boosts Stults' confidence to be surrounded by seasoned veterans.

2007-08-17 21:08:29
186.   Jon Weisman
What are the chances that ESPN would pick up coverage of Webb's record-breaking attempt, with Hershiser doing the commentary?
2007-08-17 21:09:03
187.   CanuckDodger
179 -- Raglani is a Three True Outcomes guy. The Dodgers don't like those people. He'll join Ruggiano and Pedroza in the Devil Rays' organization soon. Or maybe the A's.
2007-08-17 21:09:10
188.   Bob Timmermann
Discarded pizza boxes are a cheap source of cheese.
2007-08-17 21:09:16
189.   underdog
182 From what I've seen, his fastball is just in the upper 8-s, maybe up to 90, but it's deceptive, sneaky, well located. They haven't caught up to it too often.
2007-08-17 21:11:17
190.   NorCal-Dodger
188 Good Fiber from the cardboard.
2007-08-17 21:11:21
191.   Bob Timmermann
Ichiro's single season high in triples when he was in Japan was 5. He hit 23 triples in 9 seasons in Japan.
2007-08-17 21:12:04
192.   Sam DC
C'mon Stults, we want strikeouts!
2007-08-17 21:12:05
193.   King of the Hobos
According to Gurnick, Stults will start in New York next week. And Kemp will be back either tomorrow or Sunday, his knee is swollen and discolored.
2007-08-17 21:12:24
194.   Sam DC
C'mon Stults, we want strikeouts!
2007-08-17 21:12:39
195.   underdog
185 Discussed and debated some in the previous thread and earlier - not sure any of us quite understood why Loney was out and Sweeney was in, but Kemp was out partially because of his bruised knee acting up. Other than that, not all that surprising of a lineup.
2007-08-17 21:13:07
196.   Sam DC
I did nothing!

I'm being set up.

2007-08-17 21:13:09
197.   Andrew Shimmin
I hate everything about the Carmax poll, but among the top three things I hate about it is that the bars fluctuate while Vin is reading the numbers. Don't try to trick me into believing they're actually that many people voting that this is an up to the minute count, Carmax. Just show your stupid graph, make the greatest man alive read the copy, and recede into the night, if you please.
2007-08-17 21:13:54
198.   Bluebleeder87

Stults is locating his pitches very well more than anything & it doesn't hurt that the Rox haven't seen him all that much.

2007-08-17 21:15:20
199.   Bob Timmermann
God bless you!
2007-08-17 21:15:47
200.   underdog
193 That's good - that's the other team we know he can beat.
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2007-08-17 21:16:03
201.   NorCal-Dodger
Stults, pitch count is at 88, if his turn comes up at bat, doe we PH for him?
2007-08-17 21:17:18
202.   Bob Timmermann
Qualls worked out of a jam in the 8th. So the Padres will have to rally with the 8-9-1 hitters in the 9th.
2007-08-17 21:18:35
203.   Jon Weisman
From now on, pitching six innings or more and allowing two runs or less is a Quality Stult?
2007-08-17 21:18:35
204.   Bluebleeder87

I wouldn't, he's breezing threw the Rox hitters & only at 88 pitches, no way plus the dude can hit!

2007-08-17 21:19:50
205.   underdog
Well, after Hillenbrand hits into a double play then Stults can go back out for another inning.
2007-08-17 21:20:08
206.   NorCal-Dodger
203 Only if you add 9K's or more with that.
2007-08-17 21:22:29
207.   Bob Timmermann
Whatever Hillenbrand does, D4P will charge him with a GIDP.
2007-08-17 21:23:40
208.   King of the Hobos
205 Close enough
2007-08-17 21:23:43
209.   Bluebleeder87

leave it to Hillenbrand....

2007-08-17 21:23:55
210.   The Mootz
It might be risky making a pitching change here.

But sometimes you just have to put in Proctor and gamble.

2007-08-17 21:24:03
211.   Marty
I can't believe how safe Ethier was.
2007-08-17 21:24:09
212.   JoeyP
DFA Hillenbrand.
That was pathetic.
2007-08-17 21:24:23
213.   underdog
Not the way I expected (and Ethier looked safe) but I guess I was right.
2007-08-17 21:25:30
214.   underdog
210 {{whap!}}

My g/f's making me watch Naruto so I'm glad I have the laptop actually on my lap to watch the game instead.

2007-08-17 21:26:11
215.   Andrew Shimmin
Travis Reininger is not good at his job.
2007-08-17 21:26:38
216.   Bob Timmermann
Clear the decks! We're going to the bottom of the ninth in San Diego!
2007-08-17 21:26:44
217.   scooplew
210 !
2007-08-17 21:26:52
218.   underdog
I'm really glad Grady's brought Stults back to start this inning. See how he does, monitor him closely, but why not.
2007-08-17 21:28:23
219.   Bob Timmermann
Lidge in to try to close it out in San Diego.
2007-08-17 21:30:48
220.   ToyCannon
Is it safe to say that D4P would approve of the uniformity of the ballparks in Japan?

Best game of the year by a 4th/5th starter?

2007-08-17 21:31:07
221.   underdog
13 in a row retired by Stults.
2007-08-17 21:31:40
222.   Bob Timmermann
He wouldn't like Hiroshima because the fences are pretty shallow there. It's under 300' down each line.

Yet, it doesn't give up a lot of home runs.

2007-08-17 21:32:01
223.   ToyCannon
I have to eat crow on Stults.

His minor league peripherals leave me wondering how he's succeeding here, but I have to say everytime he's started, he's been a joy to watch.

2007-08-17 21:32:12
224.   King of the Hobos
Bard grounds out after 9 pitches. Laforest is up.
2007-08-17 21:32:43
225.   Bob Timmermann
Pete LaForest is the second best Canadian catcher in the majors!
2007-08-17 21:33:03
226.   Robert Daeley
210 Clap! Clap! Clap!
2007-08-17 21:34:37
227.   King of the Hobos
And Laforest strikes out after swinging at 3 sliders in the dirt. All up to the elder Giles.
2007-08-17 21:35:57
228.   Bob Timmermann
It's all up to the World Series Hero!
2007-08-17 21:36:27
229.   King of the Hobos
Giles triples after Lane couldn't hold on to the ball in deep center.
2007-08-17 21:36:29
230.   Bluebleeder87
Pierre should have gone for the four bagger.
2007-08-17 21:36:32
231.   NorCal-Dodger
Run, Juan Run
2007-08-17 21:36:53
232.   MC Safety
There's a rabbit loose coming from Vin's mouth eases my feelings toward Juan significantly.
2007-08-17 21:37:58
233.   kngoworld
I told you there would be more triples if Pierre played in Japan.

Lets send him over to teach a clinic.

2007-08-17 21:38:26
234.   berkowit28
Game over. Astros win 3-1.
2007-08-17 21:39:06
235.   underdog
223 I wonder about that, too. Is part of it just the PCL loft? And, what... he gets up for big games, pitches better in the majors? I have no idea.
2007-08-17 21:39:30
236.   King of the Hobos
233 What would a clinic on hitting triples entail? Run really fast and pray the OF misplays the ball or it has a funny hop?
2007-08-17 21:39:52
237.   Daniel Zappala
I'm doomed. I finally got to turn on the TV to watch the game tonight, and first batter we see is Juan Pierre. My wife seems him hit a triple and motor into third with a headfirst slide. She's very excited and says he reminds her of Ricky Henderson. What have I done?!
2007-08-17 21:40:09
238.   Bob Timmermann
There's a tie for the NL Wild Card now between San Diego and Philadelphia.
2007-08-17 21:40:59
239.   NorCal-Dodger
237 Whatever you done the wife is excited>
2007-08-17 21:42:05
240.   Bob Timmermann
With that triple, Juan Pierre has now surpassed Rickey Henderson's career total for triples.

67 to 66.

2007-08-17 21:42:16
241.   scooplew
All these hits with RISP are starting to bore me.
2007-08-17 21:44:17
242.   CanuckDodger
223 -- Toy Cannon, as with Loney so with Stults: I told you so.:) Blake DeWitt is next.
2007-08-17 21:44:58
243.   scooplew
240 Bob, you're remarkable. Are you related to Alan Roth?
2007-08-17 21:45:57
244.   Daniel Zappala
240 Wow, what a coincidence!
2007-08-17 21:46:10
245.   GoBears
Hey all,

Been out of town for the last week - this is my first time with connectivity. Looks like I have a lot of posts to catch up on. Not the happiest of weeks in Dodgerland. Hope everyone's keeping a stiff upper lip.

2007-08-17 21:46:26
246.   King of the Hobos
240 And he's only 1909 BBs and 1036 SBs behind Rickey.
2007-08-17 21:46:54
247.   Andrew Shimmin
237- You're just using this to distract attention from the recorded fact that your son's favorite player is Barry Bonds. Don't think I'm not on to you. I've got your number, bucko.
2007-08-17 21:47:28
248.   Bob Timmermann
No, I just knew Rickey Henderson didn't hit a lot of triples.
2007-08-17 21:48:14
249.   MC Safety
237- Run with it.
2007-08-17 21:49:46
250.   kngoworld

It would entail lots of calisthenics to create a lean physic in hopes of making the body more aerodynamic and faster. But subsequently causing the player to lose muscle mass which would create a weaker throwing arm. This would indirectly cause more players to take the risk of an extra base due to horrible throwing arms.

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2007-08-17 21:52:11
251.   Damon
Uggh Stultz was dealing we should have kept him in
2007-08-17 21:52:17
252.   NorCal-Dodger
Ok John, forget the breaking stuff, just bring the heat
2007-08-17 21:57:05
253.   underdog
Talk about settling down! Nice, Ox. Er, Bull.
2007-08-17 21:57:21
254.   Damon
Nice slider there
2007-08-17 21:57:29
255.   Bluebleeder87
Nice to see Broxton get out of that inning, oddly enough he struck out the side.
2007-08-17 21:57:35
256.   Daniel Zappala
247 This is what I'm saying! Barry Bonds and Juan Pierre! My own family! I feel I am not living up to my responsibilities as a father and a husband.
2007-08-17 21:57:51
257.   underdog
And Bob goes unconscious with 251.
2007-08-17 21:58:21
258.   NorCal-Dodger
Do we bring in Saito in the 9th, or let Brox go 1 more? or some one else for the 9th?
2007-08-17 22:00:42
259.   Bluebleeder87
& to think we almost won the bid to acquire Kaz Matsui, it looks like the Rox are using him as a late inning defensive replacement these days, wow.
2007-08-17 22:04:37
260.   Bob Timmermann
Fortunately, I bought a copy of "Trepanning for Dummies" and I seem to be doing OK.
2007-08-17 22:04:55
261.   Bluebleeder87
259 part II

Of course I'm talking about when he was a "big deal" in Japan.

2007-08-17 22:06:37
262.   scooplew
248 Rickey ever play in Japan?
2007-08-17 22:08:08
263.   Bob Timmermann
Paul Quantrill only gave up three home runs as a Dodger.

But one of them really, really, really, really hurt.

2007-08-17 22:08:50
264.   Bluebleeder87
Matt Hollidays arms can be somebodies legs there so huge.
2007-08-17 22:09:40
265.   Andrew Shimmin
260- I always expected you would have a knack for stentz.
2007-08-17 22:10:58
266.   overkill94
263 The game where Mr. Statistics himself put Quantrill in to face Finley even though he had been something like 19-20 with 15 homers in his career off him and had beaten him up in 2nd grade. Way to go Jimbo.
2007-08-17 22:12:04
267.   Jon Weisman
263 - Was it after that the game that Tracy got grilled for the first time?
2007-08-17 22:13:18
268.   Bluebleeder87
Saito to the rescue, Proctor with the long walk back to the DugOut.
2007-08-17 22:14:09
269.   scooplew
Proctor needs a proctor.
2007-08-17 22:14:12
270.   Bob Timmermann
Finley was 8 for 10 against Finley lifetime.
2007-08-17 22:15:08
271.   scooplew
270 I guess he also could turn the light out and be in bed before the room got dark.
2007-08-17 22:15:19
272.   Bluebleeder87
Stop 'em Saito!®
2007-08-17 22:15:36
273.   NorCal-Dodger we go again..Saito for a 2 out save....
2007-08-17 22:16:23
274.   Bob Timmermann
Tracy was outmaneuvered by Bob Brenly in that game!

Bob Brenly!

Brenly would be dumber than a pile of hammers, but hammers actually have a function on this planet!

2007-08-17 22:17:56
275.   overkill94
270 But he did beat him up in 2nd grade!
2007-08-17 22:18:35
276.   overkill94
Welps, time for bars, they better get this last out...
2007-08-17 22:19:31
277.   Bluebleeder87
Nice ho hum save for Saito, we're chipping away folks!!
2007-08-17 22:19:59
278.   Gen3Blue
Ahh, A Sammy smile.
2007-08-17 22:20:05
279.   underdog
Woo hoo! 3rd place!
2007-08-17 22:20:21
280.   scooplew
Game, set and match, Dodgers over last three games: 6-3, 6-2 and 6-4.
2007-08-17 22:21:42
281.   NorCal-Dodger
It'll be a long trek to climb back out of the hole, but at least it's been 3 steps in the upward direction. We need the good Chad tomorrow!
2007-08-17 22:23:56
282.   underdog
Man, there's got to be somebody better than Spike Lundberg (and His Orchestra) to toss out there on the mound in Vegas.
2007-08-17 22:24:22
283.   LAT
Days Nomar on the DL: 3
Dodger winning streak: 3

You do the math.

2007-08-17 22:24:29
284.   Fallout
272 Bluebleeder87

The Saito Stopper™ Doesn't every team wish they had one?

2007-08-17 22:26:10
285.   scooplew
Stults' career MLB stats through tonight:

Batting average -- .417
ERA -- 4.65

2007-08-17 22:34:21
286.   Fallout
283 LAT

OK. The Dodgers are 3-0 with Shea Hillenbrand starting at 3rd. Impressive.

2007-08-17 22:34:51
287.   silverwidow
I'm sure this was already mentioned, but Greg Miller got through a 5 inning start WITHOUT A WALK. That is pretty remarkable. Also struck out 7.
2007-08-17 22:52:25
288.   LAT
286. Well when you put it like that . . .
2007-08-17 23:02:58
289.   gpellamjr
They're 3-0 since the last time I cleaned the ferret cage.
2007-08-17 23:07:28
290.   Jon Weisman
Jose Contreras allowed nine hits and five runs (four earned) in Seattle over seven innings, walking none and striking out five.

Stults outpitched him tonight.

2007-08-17 23:21:21
291.   das411
186 - That would be quite awesome. Even better would be a pregame interview by the Bulldog, does Webb have a non-Berman nickname yet? I actually dug up and watched my 1997 World Series tape today, and you can tell in all of the mini-interview clips that Orel would make a fine broadcaster. Dutch Daulton, not so much.

El Lay Dave, sadly I only vaguely remember that other Mark Sweeney game, sorry. All of the starts in which Adam Eaton gives up grand slams tend to run together after a while...but was Matt Morris really 6-2 at one point this season?? I guess that's about as believeable as the Giants having a better record than the Phils at the time!

2007-08-17 23:38:07
292.   das411
Oh, and some Edwin Jackson Thoughts:

2007-08-17 23:50:03
293.   bhsportsguy
Tim Hallgren's quotes came from this story on on, that was published on August 15th.

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2007-08-17 23:54:42
294.   bhsportsguy
Tim Hallgren's quotes came from this story on on, that was published on August 15th.

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2007-08-18 00:07:39
295.   Dodgers49
283. 286. Everybody seems anxious to forget that Hillenbrand started the game Sweeney gave away. :-) So we're actually 3-1 since Nomar went on the DL.
2007-08-18 00:20:49
296.   Dodgers49
295. The reason I remembered that is because Kemp was up next when the game ended. It was the first game Kemp batted 3rd. And one of the things that made that possible was that Hillenbrand batted 8th. I'm not sure Little would have had the guts to drop Nomar into the 8th spot so if Nomar had started Kemp would probably have batted 8th, as usual.
2007-08-18 00:24:12
297.   LogikReader
This is probably going to get LAT'd:

Hey guys! Just got back from the game a half hour ago (hey it's 2 hours from LA to SB). Great game tonight. I really thought the game was going in the L column tonight with Kemp and Loney sitting but Stultz had a GREAT performance. When I saw the strikeout meter I was like "is that for real?" It was! 9 strikeouts and only 2 hits allowed tonight for our starter... well done.

This had to be, I swear, the greatest stadium experience in my entire life... a lot of things came together. I parked at the park by the academy gate for free... It might be a risk but its only a short walk from the park and saves 15 bucks.

New Loge area is quite cool; very chic. It might even have a bar!

There are indeed other sausage selections besides the classic Dodger Dog. By the way, Bob, if you're reading this, thank you thank you thank you THANK YOU for telling me about the grilled Dodger Dogs. I had a regular one, then tried a grilled one. I could not believe it made such a big difference. The grilled ones are fantastic, usually sold at the stands behind home plate on all levels.

by the way, I got to the ballpark with 20 min to spare. I owe most of that to my impromptu freeway route:

From Thousand Oaks onward, I took a slightly unorthodox route: going up the 23 into the 118 and then booking the 5 south and finally taking the Glendale Fwy into echo park THEN going left on Scott Ave. Thats like 6 detours on one trip and it paid off.

2007-08-18 00:29:57
298.   LogikReader

"a short walk from the park "

In this context, "park" means Dodger Stadium. I parked next to a regular "public park" that was by the Academy Gate.

2007-08-18 01:22:01
299.   Xeifrank
297. That route is not too unorthodox. I have friends in Santa Barbara who take it one step further. Once they get to Ventura they take the 126 east and then near Magic Mountain, cruise down on the 5. I always take the 118 too. But I have a country road shortcut (over to the 118) so I don't have to drive up the Canejo Grade during rush hour and the 23 can be really bad in Thousand Oaks going up the grade in rush hour. The 126 keeps you off the busy 101/23 freeways for another 20-30 minutues and there is never any traffic on it. Something to consider next time.
vr, Xei
2007-08-18 07:21:54
300.   PlayTwo
I am running behind the times but had to acknowledge Jon's great piece on Kyle Blair this week. The only one who is out there with him in analyzing value based on return rather than up front cost is Theo Epstein--see Dice-K bid/signing. That post should have been hand delivered to the McCourts and every other owner and GM.
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2007-08-18 08:12:44
301.   Bob Timmermann
You're welcome, but I didn't tell you anything about grilled Dodger Dogs.

I actually prefer them steamed.

2007-08-18 09:06:13
302.   LogikReader
Hey thanks Xei... somehow I thought it'd take longer to get there using the 126, but maybe not.

It's nice to avoid having to deal with that 101/405 interchange.

2007-08-18 09:17:08
303.   Jon Weisman
301 - Now that's weird.
2007-08-18 09:22:04
304.   Bob Timmermann
A grilled hot dog is just a cabonized casing surrounding parts of an animal I would rather not consider.

Steamed ones get cooked more thoroughly.

2007-08-18 09:38:14
305.   screwballin
Review of Danica McKellar on CNN: Wow. My crush on Winnie rages anew.

Sure, I'm 44, but let's keep that to ourselves.

2007-08-18 09:57:35
306.   GIDP
from the New Yorker:

"His father, Harold, a Yankees partisan from East Harlem, once dressed young Rudy [Giuliani] in Yankee pinstripes and sent him out to play in the Dodger-mad streets of Brooklyn. Too young to have any say in the matter, Rudy was set upon by the neighborhood toughs, Dodger fans all. A gang of boys seized him, placed a noose around his neck, and threatened to lynch him."

I guess booing hadn't been invented yet...

2007-08-18 09:59:49
307.   ToyCannon
The Glendale(2) to Glendale BLvd to Scott is the best way I've found in 38 years of driving to Dodger Stadium. Coming home is now crowded since they are letting people exit the Scott Road exit but they have traffic people on every corner from the stadium all the way to Glendale Blvd and they just wave you through all the stop signs and stop lights and as an extra bonus you get your own lane to turn right on Glendale Blvd.
2007-08-18 10:12:55
308.   Bob Timmermann
They weren't booing. They were saying "Ruuuu-deee!!"
2007-08-18 10:36:57
309.   dzzrtRatt
304 But aren't all hot dogs "cooked" before they're sold? I was under the impression that if you wanted to, it was perfectly safe to eat a cold hot dog out of the package.

The "carbonized casing" doesn't prevent the heat from the grill from reaching the stuff inside. When I've been lucky enough to get a grilled Dodger Dog, it's never been cold in the middle to my recollection.

2007-08-18 10:39:32
310.   dzzrtRatt
304 Continuing the thought... Do you shun all grilled items? Should hamburgers be steamed? And what about shishkebob? Boon or hindrance?
2007-08-18 10:52:04
311.   Bob Timmermann
The problem with shish-ka-bob is that the skewers always tend to end up puncturing my colon and I'm really tired of going to get that case of peritonitis fixed up.
2007-08-18 11:20:41
312.   Eric Enders
Andrew Lambo went 4-for-5 this morning to raise his GCL average to .333/.440/.529. Kyle Orr went 0-fer but managed to score three runs. The GCL Dodgers are now 34-14 on the year with a nine-game lead over the second-place team.

The only other Dodger farm team in postseason contention is Jacksonville, which holds a two-game lead over Montgomery in the redundant Southern League South.

2007-08-18 11:30:03
313.   Brian Y
lambo looks like the real deal. I would love to see him in great lakes this season.
2007-08-18 11:31:34
314.   Eric Enders
I sort of doubt they would skip him a level in his first pro year, though. They might bump him up to Ogden for the last couple of weeks of the season. He'll probably end up with Great Lakes sometime next year.
2007-08-18 11:33:23
315.   Eric Enders
Meanwhile, I might have to order myself a Loons road cap. Those things are pretty cool looking.
2007-08-18 11:38:28
316.   King of the Hobos
309 I eat hot dogs straight from the package all the time. I actually prefer to eat them uncooked, although I like them grilled as well.
2007-08-18 11:39:21
317.   underdog
I liked seeing the Lambo referenced in a Newsday article a couple of days ago, about Pedro Martinez:
>>The three-time Cy Young winner threw 60 pitches, 47 for strikes against the Gulf Coast Dodgers, and was perfect through three innings before giving up a three-run home run to Pedro Baez on a cutter with two outs in the top of the fourth. He allowed three runs and three hits with one walk and four strikeouts.

Martinez threw 29 pitches in the fourth, 11 of them to Andrew Lambo, who walked. The bottom of the inning took so long that rehabilitation pitching coordinator Randy Niemann decided to send him to the bullpen to finish with 20 fastballs.<<

2007-08-18 11:41:16
318.   King of the Hobos
315 I too was intrigued, until I noticed they don't have any sizes between 7 3/8 and 8. What type of injustice is that? I wear 7 5/8.
2007-08-18 11:43:33
319.   underdog
Btw, although I can vouch for some veggie dogs being pretty decent, I can also say never under any circumstances broil them - grilling may be okay. But broiling them is horrible, they shrivel into something as dry as cardboard.
2007-08-18 11:47:17
320.   Eric Enders
318 So do I, alas. Big heads of the world unite in protest!
2007-08-18 11:53:47
321.   silverwidow
Jermaine Dye just re-signed with the White Sox: 2 years/$22 mil

One less option for Ned if he's not convinced Kemp/Ethier can play everyday.

2007-08-18 11:53:50
322.   Linkmeister
318 , 320 Huh. Actual sizing is going against the grain, isn't it? I've got 20 baseball caps, and all of them are adjustable via Velcro or those awful post-and-hole straps.
2007-08-18 12:05:31
323.   regfairfield
321 Free agents left that might be considered "vaguely intriguing"

Tad Iguchi, Mike Lowell, A-Rod, Michael Barrett, Mike Cameron, Andruw Jones, Aaron Rowand, Eric Gagne, Mariano Rivera, Barry Bonds, Tom Glavine, Milton Bradley, Francisco Cordero, Curt Schilling

It's going to be a bad winter.

2007-08-18 12:23:04
324.   Eric Enders
I could go for a Mike Cameron signing, if we could dump you-know-who.
2007-08-18 12:24:46
325.   Eric Enders
322 I guess I'm a cap snob, because I generally won't wear the adjustable kind. They just feel weird.
2007-08-18 12:34:00
326.   Sam DC
I just can't believe some of the things I've read in this thread.
2007-08-18 12:38:53
327.   Sam DC
On another personal note, I'm general pretty comfortable with myself, including my many, many shortcomings and limitations.

But some days (like, er, today) my utter mechanical ineptitude just gets to be too much.

I need to put up a shelf. It's an old plaster and lathe wall. Hardware store around the corner only had one shelf option -- simple pine shelf, two wood brackets.

Four hours later I have put 17 holes into the wall. I just counted them. Happily, two of them contain apparently secure anchor screws.

Now, I just need to get the brackets attached to the shelf the right distance apart from each other. Sounds simple I know.

But in fact for me it's not so simple to screw down into odd shape brackets that don't stand up straight. A work table and a couple vises would do the trick. Hmmm, don't have those. I'm sure I can use these soup cans and phone books to work something out though.

Just kill me.

2007-08-18 12:41:10
328.   overkill94
Does anyone have a shorter swing than Moises Alou? No wonder that guys hits .300 every year, I'd be surprised if he ever went more than 3 games without a hit.
2007-08-18 12:47:14
329.   Dodgers49
A Finding of Umpire Bias Is Small but Still Striking

>> QuesTec's apparent influence did not seem to surprise Steve Trachsel, a veteran pitcher with the Baltimore Orioles. He said he had seen no difference in how white and black umpires called his pitches, but did say that QuesTec did alter umpire behavior.

"I've been told by the umpire that because there's QuesTec today, they can't give you that pitch," Trachsel said. "You know what kind of zone you're going to have when QuesTec is there." <<

2007-08-18 12:51:14
330.   Marty
I'm the same way Sam. That's why they invented the telephone.
2007-08-18 12:55:59
331.   Andrew Shimmin
There's a reason Ch-i invented spackle. Although, for me, spackling would just end in a bigger mess. Especially if there were any carpet within fifty feet of the spackling target.
2007-08-18 13:02:05
332.   Bob Timmermann
Busch Stadium did have a very good grilled kosher hot dog.

I just don't think they grill the Dodger Dogs very well. They're either BBR or they're undercooked and cold.

2007-08-18 13:10:39
333.   Robert Daeley
Catching up:

I grill Dodger Dogs up here at the house and they taste great. I do not, however, have a beautiful baseball field behind the garage, so that's one for Dodger Stadium.

7 7/8 here and a fitted cap aficionado as well. This combination results in few caps.

Recently I tried to order a pennant from the Loons online (as well as the Suns), but they weren't available. An email resulted in a very nice note that they would ask the marketing guys. :)

If they don't have caps in my size, I could wear the pennant I suppose.

2007-08-18 13:16:08
334.   Andrew Shimmin
When I bought my car from World Series Hero Geoff Blum's mom, it didn't have a rear view mirror. So I went to Pep Boys and bought one. It was a two part system, where you glue the post to the windshield, and then slide the mirror's mounting device on. I glued the thing on at the tippy-top of the windshield, and then couldn't get the mirror on. I had to go back to Pep Boys to buy another post. I waited until I was pretty sure the staff there at the time of my initial purchase was gone.

That original post still is sitting, still is sitting right atop my windshield of lore. It shall be lifted nevermore.

2007-08-18 13:34:07
335.   Daniel Zappala
We all need to chip in to buy Sam in DC a level and a measuring tape.
2007-08-18 13:38:29
336.   Bob Timmermann
Even I have a level and a measuring tape. And I rent!

I made sure to take my Dad's level after he passed away. I think it's been in the family for over 50 years.

2007-08-18 13:39:52
337.   Eric Enders
Since command and walks always seem to be an issue for Billingsley, I thought I'd take a closer look at tonight's home plate umpire, Tim Welke, so we might know what to expect.

In 2006, Welke had one of the smallest strike zones in the majors, with 8.9 percent of plate appearances resulting in walks (compared to the major league average of 8.4 percent). Welke ranked 65th of the 83 umps in strikeout rate, with only 16.1 percent of batters striking out. The ERA when he was behind the plate was 4.72; the MLB average was 4.53.

Welke has been remarkably consistent in the number of strikes he calls -- 53.7 percent of pitches were strikes in 2006, 53.8 percent in 2007. However, his K/BB ratio has somehow risen from 1.81 to 1.92, which presumably means MLB hitters (at least in Welke's games) are taking a somewhat more aggressive approach this year than they did in 2006.

The games Welke has umpired in 2007 have generally been slugfests. His ERA is 5.70, as opposed to the MLB average of 4.41.

2007-08-18 13:40:45
338.   Gen3Blue
Sam, you must use creativity. I would do about as well as you have so far and then when the shelf was almost secure large piece of the wall would fall into room. At this point I would conclude that I really didn't need a shelf--I needed a kind of funky cupboard.
2007-08-18 13:41:37
339.   Andrew Shimmin
How to tell that Robert Daeley isn't Jerry Seinfeld using a pseudonym.

2007-08-18 13:46:02
340.   Sam DC
I have a level and a measuring tape.

In fact, I got the shelf up. But it wasn't level (it was at first, but when I tightened the screws and straightened the bracket one end took a nosedive).

So I fixed that.

And that's when the tip of the bracket split off.

And if you worried this would end without me bleeding, you can rest easy.

2007-08-18 13:48:50
341.   Bob Timmermann
The Yankees just turned the old K-CS 2-1 DP.
2007-08-18 13:51:43
342.   underdog
341 Yeah, that was beautifully turned. Posada threw to Clemens on purpose; at first I thought Clemens just picked off the throw heading to 2nd because it was low and then they caught Inge heading home, but it was on purpose. Inge was kind of pushing it heading home and got burned.
2007-08-18 13:52:44
343.   Andrew Shimmin
I didn't realize Giambi was back.
2007-08-18 13:52:46
344.   Eric Enders
340 reminds me of a friend of mine who agreed to be interviewed for the nonfiction book "Good Morning Midnight." When the book was released, he was dismayed to find that he was described as having "soft lawyerly hands."
2007-08-18 13:54:30
345.   Eric Enders
Giambi is not only back, he's BACK. 2 HR last night.
2007-08-18 14:01:40
346.   Bob Timmermann
Giambi, for some reason, really annoys me more than any other player on the Yankees.

But I also dislike Mike Mussina, who is nothing like Giambi.

2007-08-18 14:05:10
347.   Eric Enders
346 I thought dislike of Mike Mussina was not allowed around here.

How can you dislike a guy who went to Stanford and does the New York Times crossword and showed up Cito Gaston?

2007-08-18 14:05:50
348.   Bob Timmermann
Because he whines a lot and makes excuses for everything.
2007-08-18 14:08:25
349.   Eric Enders
So is this the end of the line for Pudge? He's having a Kendallesque year.
2007-08-18 14:10:31
350.   Dodgers49
Wolf might be shutting down for '07

>> Wolf's left shoulder, which has kept him out of the Dodgers' rotation since July 3, is pain free, and Wolf will attempt to throw on the side next week, either on Tuesday or Wednesday.

A pain-free session would be the first step toward a possible September return, but Wolf said that if he experiences any pain during or after the session, he will stop throwing and his 2007 season will be over. <<

## Matt Kemp, who has a bruised right knee, sat out Friday's game and might miss tonight's game as well but manager Grady Little said the injury won't be a long-term problem.

"He says he can play, but we're going to wait a day or two," Little said. ##

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2007-08-18 14:16:16
351.   Eric Enders
For whatever reason, I get a certain sense of satisfaction from the fact that Martin's walk-off grand slam is featured in FOX's postseason promos.
2007-08-18 14:19:40
352.   Bob Timmermann
Pudge has 10 home runs! That would make him one of the Dodgers primary power threats!
2007-08-18 14:19:41
353.   trainwreck
But, but, but he was the starting All-Star catcher. He can't be bad!
2007-08-18 14:21:27
354.   Bob Timmermann
Welcome to the big leagues, Cameron Maybin!
2007-08-18 14:21:54
355.   Eric Enders
Maybin's first career HR is off Clemens.
2007-08-18 14:23:21
356.   Bob Timmermann
Maybin can talk to Thames, who hit his first homer off of Randy Johnson.
2007-08-18 14:24:10
357.   Eric Enders
Maybin has a Griffeyesque smile.
2007-08-18 14:25:27
358.   Eric Enders
Jim Leyland says the player Maybin reminds him most of is... Kirk Gibson.

I look forward to his free agent signing with the Dodgers.

2007-08-18 14:30:26
359.   Bluebleeder87
It's pretty humbling watching 12 year old kids that are plenty taller then you.
2007-08-18 14:33:14
360.   Bluebleeder87

your being pessimistic when in truth it's more of a 50/50 type deal.

2007-08-18 14:33:31
361.   Sam DC

Shelf up. I'm off to pillage and rampage.

Bring me some mead!

2007-08-18 14:44:36
362.   Bob Timmermann
Federal Law prohibits the sale of mead in the District of Columbia on Saturdays.
2007-08-18 14:46:30
363.   Eric Enders
And Maybin discovers what happens in your next at-bat when you hit a home run off Roger Clemens.
2007-08-18 14:46:35
364.   Sam DC

A MAN like me takes what he wants.

2007-08-18 14:47:41
365.   Eric Enders
Did you hear about the vegetarian paper shredder? It refuses to eat mead.


2007-08-18 14:48:29
366.   Bob Timmermann
Old friend Daryle Ward with a grand slam in Chicago to give the Cubs a 5-0 lead over the Redbirds.
2007-08-18 14:48:42
367.   Bluebleeder87
well the standings aren't to pleasing on the eyes but we did jump Colorado & are only 2 & a half behind the Pads, little by little...
2007-08-18 14:50:40
368.   Bob Timmermann
Posts lineup and ducks:

Furcal, SS

Pierre, CF

Kemp, RF

Kent, 2B

Saenz, 1B

Martin, C

Gonzo, LF

Hillenbrand, 3B

Billingsley, P

2007-08-18 14:52:16
369.   Bob Timmermann
Josh's post at iTD is quite interesting especially contrasting people who write letters to the Times and people who post on Dodger Thoughts.

2007-08-18 14:52:51
370.   Bob Timmermann
Old friend Juan Encarnacion homers to make it 5-1 Cubs.
2007-08-18 14:53:14
371.   overkill94
Speaking of home improvement issues...

When I first moved into my new apartment (this March) I went to Ikea and bought a towel rack since I share a bathroom and the only hanging device is on the shower door. Of course, I let it sit around until today when I finally decided to install it. True to their colors, Ikea forgot to include one of the hooks that connects the bar to the mounting surface so I'll have to wait in the customer service line to get another one. At least I can kill two birds with one stone and finally get the two screws I need to complete the third drawer of the chest of drawers I bought (also back in March).

2007-08-18 14:54:09
372.   Eric Enders
Whither Loney?
2007-08-18 14:54:39
373.   overkill94
368 If Saenz throws up another 0-fer today, is it safe to assume he will never start a game for the Dodgers ever again?
2007-08-18 14:56:09
374.   Bob Timmermann
I would not assume that.
2007-08-18 14:57:59
375.   Bob Timmermann
I think Bobby Abreu hit the cheapest home run of the 21st Century.
2007-08-18 14:58:29
376.   Sam DC
I may just leave the dried blood running up and down my arm when I go to RFK tonight.

Just so people know who they're dealing with.

2007-08-18 14:59:51
377.   Bluebleeder87
I'm actually very surprised (pleasantly) Kemp is in there today, I did hear Kemp was available for pitch hitting/runner duties if need be yesterday though so I guess that was an indicator that he was doing fine.
2007-08-18 15:12:04
378.   Eric Enders
Maybin with an atrocious throw to the plate. His arm can't really be that weak, can it?
2007-08-18 15:16:45
379.   underdog
Kemp being back in there so soon is a pleasant surprise; Loney not in there again, a not so pleasant surprise. Seriously, two nights off in a row? What gives... Oh well, otherwise it's a capable line-up.

Go Billingsley!

2007-08-18 15:17:40
380.   Eric Enders
Maybin with another awful throw. I guess he just has a Juan Pierre arm.
2007-08-18 15:27:08
381.   Andrew Shimmin
Yankee fans boo Sheffield. That's a gray area.
2007-08-18 15:28:34
382.   Gen3Blue
368 No need to duck. Kemp 3rd almost makes up for no Loney. As long as they don't hit to the right side of the infield, we are Ok. Of course we don't want them to hit many to the left side. So fly balls-- and infield flies--Or strikeouts. Yes, strikeouts and fly balls, and infield flies and grounders to SS, and.....

Anyone seen "Wild Hogs". I think it must have by-passed the theatres, but it has quite a cast.

2007-08-18 15:41:45
383.   Michael D
I find the lack of Loney in the lineup two days in a row disturbing.
2007-08-18 15:47:28
384.   Gen3Blue
283 A-men to that. When I think about it it is extremely disturbing, whatever it means.
2007-08-18 15:52:51
385.   goofus
383 Showcasing Saenz for a trade? I wish I could believe that. I see their website has started propping him up now. No doubt they'll resign him next year, along with enough other over-the-hillers to hold us back next year. Mustn't win, the fans might start expecting that every year...
2007-08-18 15:55:15
386.   Bob Timmermann
Again even taking into mind that it's from the PR department, the iTD post on is an interesting view of how people view the team's approach.
2007-08-18 16:01:01
387.   Andrew Shimmin
Not suited to all tastes, but George Will's Sunday column is about Bruce Froemming.

2007-08-18 16:04:56
388.   Mark Joseph
378 explains 358 (?)
2007-08-18 16:04:58
389.   goofus
387 When he gets into a hassle with a player or manager, I say he is Froemming at the mouth...
2007-08-18 16:16:34
390.   Jon Weisman
It occured to me after reading the letters in the Times this morning that it might be worth some people taking the time to write the paper with an opposing point of view. BigCPA has done so in the past, among others.
2007-08-18 16:18:57
391.   Bob Timmermann
Old friend Jayson Werth with a 3-run homer in the first at Pittsburgh to give the Phillies a 4-0 edge.

Remember, the Dodgers want the Phillies to lose.

2007-08-18 16:20:45
392.   Bob Timmermann
Old friend Buddy Carlyle staked to a 1-0 lead in the first in Atlanta.

It's been a good day for old friends.

2007-08-18 16:25:22
393.   Bob Timmermann
Today's LA Times letters were dumb by even LA Times letter writers standards.

They all sounded like they were written by Dana Carvey's Grumpy Old Man.

2007-08-18 16:29:08
394.   Dodgers49
383. I find the lack of Loney in the lineup two days in a row disturbing.

And we're facing another lefthander tomorrow (Jeff Francis) so it could become three days.

2007-08-18 16:29:20
395.   overkill94
Carlyle is my Buddy no more
2007-08-18 16:32:47
396.   Bob Timmermann
And the Pirates tie it up in the bottom of the first.

And old friend Buddy has fallen behind 3-1.

2007-08-18 16:34:36
397.   MJW101
The Dodger GM has a myriad of internal choices in 2008 for SP.

Penny, Lowe & Bills will return.

Stults will be available.

Wolf and/or Kuo may be recovered from their injuries.

McDonald will be in AAA and should be ready to help in 2008.

Miller is improving his control and may also be ready to help in 2008.

I do not hold out much hope for Houlton as a SP as he is less of an option than Stults and will be out of options in 2008.

Schmidt will probably not be available in 2008 as his shoulder injury was severe and not many pitchers can come back from such an injury within a year or at all.

Hopefully, the GM will not resign Tomko and will non-tender Hendrickson.

Since there will be very little or no quality SP available in the FA market maybe the GM will finally rely on internal choices.

2007-08-18 16:41:57
398.   Andrew Shimmin
Chone Figgins just took Curt Schilling deep. Angels up 4-0.
2007-08-18 16:53:58
399.   gpellamjr
I really hate the Diamondbacks.
2007-08-18 16:58:52
400.   Bob Timmermann
Did you know that Eric Byrnes knows the names of EVERY president?

And he can say them in Latin too!

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2007-08-18 16:58:58
401.   Bumsrap
I think rookies need to be out of the lineup for two days about every two to three weeks. That is how the brain best learns. Do, rest, do again. Cramming is a bad way to learn.
2007-08-18 17:02:59
402.   goofus
386 Colletti wrote all the letters himself. He may start a letter writting campaign urging the Dodgers to sign all the wortless old veterans.
2007-08-18 17:10:09
403.   gpellamjr
My wife and I saw the Simpsons movie today. We agreed that we were both pleasantly surprised that we weren't disappointed. But we would have been disappointed if this movie had come out 7 years ago.
2007-08-18 17:15:04
404.   gpellamjr
I think I hate the Diamondbacks so much because I lived in Tempe in '02 and it was like the fans there didn't even know there was a baseball team in the area. I resented it enormously. I also hate that they keep winning. They make me so mad!
2007-08-18 17:15:38
405.   gpellamjr
Buddy's about to try to bunt Corky over.
2007-08-18 17:21:35
406.   Bob Timmermann
The Mets are actually starting a lineup that is free of old friends.

I didn't know that was possible.

2007-08-18 17:33:58
407.   Bob Timmermann
Micah Owings has created a low level of activity at the Cycle Alert Distant Early Warning Line. No alerts have been issued however.
2007-08-18 17:36:43
408.   gpellamjr
If the season ended today, who would win the Cy Young? Brandon Webb or Micah Owings?
2007-08-18 17:46:27
409.   Andrew Shimmin
Big Papi puts the Red Sox back on top, 6-5, with a grand slam. I'd still rather be watching my D'backs.
2007-08-18 17:47:22
410.   Bob Timmermann
The Bucs have gone ahead 8-6 over the Phils.
2007-08-18 17:52:16
411.   Indiana Jon
Another homer for Owings!
2007-08-18 17:53:59
412.   underdog
Buddy Carlyle is no longer on my Old Friends list, but my Nixon-like Enemies list. 2 home runs to the pitcher? Gack, c'mon Braves.
2007-08-18 17:55:54
413.   Indiana Jon
If Owings loses control in the playoffs, he could easily become the next Ankiel.
2007-08-18 18:01:05
414.   Lexinthedena
Arizona can't be this good......
2007-08-18 18:08:14
415.   Jon Weisman
Game thread is open.

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