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August 18 Game Chat
2007-08-18 17:59
by Jon Weisman

Tonight's game:


Retro Gameday

Comments (563)
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2007-08-18 18:09:05
1.   Jon Weisman
There's an argument to be made that Dodger fans should be rooting for Arizona tonight against Atlanta.
2007-08-18 18:09:42
2.   gpellamjr
1 Yes, there is. But I dislike the Diamondbacks so.
2007-08-18 18:10:19
3.   gpellamjr
Besides, I'm not ready to give up the division yet.
2007-08-18 18:10:30
4.   apsio
Post is showing up for me in the sidebar, but not on the main page...and yes I did refresh.
2007-08-18 18:10:55
5.   apsio
Bah, now it works...
2007-08-18 18:11:25
6.   Jon Weisman
4 - Whenever that happens, just be patient.
2007-08-18 18:14:02
7.   max power
1 And just to be clear that argument would be, "A team that starts Olmedo Saenz, Mark Sweeney, Shea Hillenbrand and Brett Tomko on an occassional basis has no business chasing the a team like the D-Backs from 6 games back with 40 to play."
2007-08-18 18:14:03
8.   Andrew Shimmin
There's also an argument to be made that Dodger fans should cut and run to the D'backs bandwagon. While there's still time. Hurry!
2007-08-18 18:14:57
9.   gpellamjr
I have just given up on the division.
2007-08-18 18:15:58
10.   Linkmeister
Hmph. If the D-Backs were Tucson's home-town team I might consider it, but Phoenix? Ha!

You think SF has it in for LA, you should measure Tucson's antipathy towards that town up north.

2007-08-18 18:18:29
11.   Lexinthedena
I have not given up on the Division....and people will feel silly for mailing it in when the Dodgers clime to within 3 games in a week or so.....
2007-08-18 18:21:01
12.   Ghost of Carlos Perez
If Pittsburgh can play in the Central Division, why can't we?
2007-08-18 18:26:41
13.   regfairfield
11 While it is too soon to call the season a wash, keep in mind the L.A. Dodgers don't have much of a history of bouncing back late. Only three times have the Dodgers come back from a deficit of more than two games after August 10th. Only in 1983 have the Dodgers mounted what could be described as an epic comeback.

I'd give a more up to date prediction of doom, but the site I use for these things is down.

2007-08-18 18:30:49
14.   Jon Weisman
11 - Yeah, I'm not mailing it in. Mostly, I'm trying not to worry about what the other teams are doing.
2007-08-18 18:36:15
15.   silverwidow
Franklin Morales throws major heat from the left side. Will be interesting to see him tonight. He is Colorado's version of Scott Elbert.
2007-08-18 18:37:09
16.   Ghost of Carlos Perez
How come more people aren't calling for a Jose Offerman homecoming? Heavens knows the Dodgers could use another fearsome bat in the lineup, and it looks like Offerman is now available.
2007-08-18 18:37:54
17.   Bob Timmermann
It's a Yellow Alert for Micah Owings!

This is not a drill!

2007-08-18 18:38:47
18.   Vishal
[13 ] just what do the 2007 dodgers have in common with any of those teams, except for the same stadium and a similar-looking uniform? that sort of talk is just as preposterous as that silly "curse" business that chicago and until recently, boston fans liked to toss about.
2007-08-18 18:39:03
19.   LAT
Watching the Mets/Nats game. Mota comes in and they refer to him as "part of the what were you thinking trade with Los Angeles." Can amyone today really think that was not a very good move. One would think Don Sutton would be aware that Brad Penny is a top three Cy Young contender this year.

BTW, whatever happened to Bill Murphy?

2007-08-18 18:39:06
20.   PDH5204
And the Giants win! Sorry, but I'm on their bandwagon today, as I picked up Mr. Cain from the free agent pool in one fantasy league as I needed a W and I otherwise have one Brad Hennessey slotting in as that SP but 4th closer in that other league. So for today at least, go Giants!
2007-08-18 18:39:16
21.   overkill94
Enders's stats on tonight's umpire have me pretty worried about Chad's performance. I recall other games this year where the umpire had a small zone and it really did not bode well for young Billingsley. It helps that Morales has control problems as well, so we may be in store for a long game.
2007-08-18 18:40:36
22.   overkill94
19 He's got a starring role on some HD show where they follow around the Diamondbacks' AAA team. Apparently he's the clubhouse joker.
2007-08-18 18:40:50
23.   Ghost of Carlos Perez
Speaking of Offerman, am I right in thinking that he is the last two Dodger regulars to have more errors than RBI in season ('92 and '95)?
2007-08-18 18:41:04
24.   Andrew Shimmin
18- What a tremendously jinxy point you make.
2007-08-18 18:44:05
25.   Bob Timmermann
Cycle alert canceled.

Stand down.

2007-08-18 18:44:17
26.   Andrew Shimmin
20- Fantasy baseball takes all the charm out of betraying your allegiances. I'm a freedom fighter; you're a simple traitor.
2007-08-18 18:44:21
27.   Vishal
[24 ] saying that the dodgers franchise doesn't have some supernatural prediliction for choking down the stretch is not to say that i am confident that they won't do again so this year.
2007-08-18 18:45:11
28.   LAT
Mota stinking up the place. . . again.
2007-08-18 18:45:13
29.   regfairfield
18 I'd have to comapre it to other teams history to check, but if I had to guess, I'd say comebacks of more than two or three games at this point in the season are pretty rare.
2007-08-18 18:45:23
30.   Ghost of Carlos Perez
Here's another idea (although clearly too late at this point): why not let Furcal sit out a couple weeks, a month, or whatever, until he gets his ankles right.

It seems like all season they've been saying he just has to play through pain this year, so don't expect him to play well.

2007-08-18 18:47:46
31.   Andrew Shimmin
30- I like where you're headed with this. Bring Darth Offerman back and putting him at SS? I can't imagine a better way of recruiting new D'backs fans.
2007-08-18 18:48:09
32.   Bob Timmermann
If Furcal sits for a couple of weeks that means two weeks of Ramon Martinez starting.

This is a Butch Hobson's Choice.

2007-08-18 18:49:07
33.   Gen3Blue
I'm trying to finish "Wild Hogs" before the game, but though it is amusing, your not missing anything major.
2007-08-18 18:50:53
34.   Linkmeister
Heh. Any fans of hubris around?

Wired Mag has a list of Wikipedia edits created by the subjects of the entries to put said subjects in better light.

2007-08-18 18:51:48
35.   Ghost of Carlos Perez
Is Furcal really any better than replacement level? I'd like to think if the Dodgers really wanted to, they could find a better 2-week fill in than Martinez. Offerman comes to mind...
2007-08-18 18:54:34
36.   LAT
33. but though it is amusing,"

You are an exceedingly charitable person.

2007-08-18 18:55:51
37.   PDH5204
20 Could be, though I prefer to think of the matter as, well, what was it that Mr. Little aka Malcolm X once said? By any means necessary? Indeed. And, hey, they're otherwise so far back that they're no real threat, now how you can truly like both the Blue and the Rattlers is, well, lay down there on the couch there and tell us your story, in the meantime, my other motto is, you don't pick up and handle snakes, you kill them, especially those rattlers...
2007-08-18 18:57:07
38.   Sam DC
Nats and Dodgers old friend with a PH single for the Mets v the Nats.
2007-08-18 18:59:11
39.   Andrew Shimmin
Furry's well above Replacement level. He's sporting a 7.3 WARP3, right now. It's a down year, no question, and most of his WARP comes from his glove, which hasn't seemed to suffer at all. But even in VORP, he's above replacement level at 11.6, 19th for all MLB shortstops.
2007-08-18 19:00:59
40.   Andrew Shimmin
Troy Tulowitzki is the only NL West SS with a higher VORP than Furcal.
2007-08-18 19:01:19
41.   Bob Timmermann
The Phillies lose. The Dodgers need to win and have the Padres lose also to pick up ground in the wild card.

Mathematically, the Dodgers are still in charge of their own destiny for the playoffs. They can win all their remaining games and clinch a playoff spot, regardless of what the teams ahead of them do.

2007-08-18 19:01:42
42.   LAT
34. Pretty cool.
2007-08-18 19:02:47
43.   Ghost of Carlos Perez
Hmm... 19th out of how many regulars? That sounds pretty average. I guess my point is, a couple weeks without Furcal, even if it means suffering through a replacement, would be well worth it if we get a healthy Furcal the rest of the way.

Again, the argument makes less sense as the season goes on, but they've been saying all along that his ankles won't get better while he's playing.

2007-08-18 19:05:48
44.   regfairfield
Biggest comebacks after August 18th into playoff spots over the last few years:

2006: San Diego (one game)
2005: Yankees (1.5 games)
2004: Astros (six games)
2003: Oakland (four games)
2002: Giants (four games)
2001: Cardinals (1.5 games)
2000: None
1999: D'Backs (1.5 games)
1998: Texas (1.5 games)
1997: Astros (1.5 games)

Four times (the Yankees came back in one of these years too) in the last 10 years has a team sat mroe than 1.5 games out of a playoff spot and made the playoffs.

I'm not saying it's impossible, it's just very hard to make up deficits at this point in the season, as close as things may seem.

2007-08-18 19:06:52
45.   Bob Timmermann
But since it's August 18, the S.S. Rest Rafael Furcal's Ankle has already set sail and is headed around the Cape of Good Hope filled with whale oil, rum, and Nomar Garciaparra's extra base hitting.
2007-08-18 19:07:56
46.   Ghost of Carlos Perez
I should have made that post in May!
2007-08-18 19:09:23
47.   Andrew Shimmin
43- I didn't limit it to regulars. He's 19th out of 53 qualifiers. Furry's OPS+ is 95, so he's below average, but close. If Juan Pierre were having a year equivalent to Furcal, he'd be Vernon Wells.
2007-08-18 19:12:26
48.   King of the Hobos
43 Average and replacement level are very different things. Of course, I'd guess Hu can play above average defense while giving some offense, and probably wouldn't hurt us at all.
2007-08-18 19:14:58
49.   Andrew Shimmin
47- That OPS+ should be sOPS+. It's the split for shortstops; the average shortstop is 100, not the average player. Sorry.
2007-08-18 19:16:10
50.   King of the Hobos
Abreu is playing 2B today after sitting out the last two games (although Thursday was a double header, and he started the first). Laroche is still nowhere to be seen.
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2007-08-18 19:17:47
51.   Bob Timmermann
Woo hoo, 2 UDP!
2007-08-18 19:18:15
52.   overkill94
How could they argue that that wasn't interference?
2007-08-18 19:18:44
53.   Bob Timmermann
D4P will be disappointed to find out that Cory Sullivan is not charged with a caught stealing.
2007-08-18 19:22:39
54.   Bob Timmermann
Managers always come out to argue that call even if it's just perfunctory.

Mainly it's because the managers don't know the rules very well.

2007-08-18 19:23:01
55.   CanuckDodger
How did Sullivan get out? Gameday is not saying.
2007-08-18 19:23:54
56.   Andrew Shimmin
Matt Kemp is good at baseball.
2007-08-18 19:24:49
57.   trainwreck
M.Bison rules all!
2007-08-18 19:25:06
58.   Andrew Shimmin
55- Batter Interference.
2007-08-18 19:25:33
59.   Lexinthedena
55- Batters Interference on Holliday....caught stealing...
2007-08-18 19:26:50
Its hard to believe that Kemp was actually forced to spend time in Vegas this year.
2007-08-18 19:27:02
61.   Bob Timmermann
Sullivan was not caught stealing however. He doesn't get a stolen base attempt.

After all, it's not his fault that he's out. If it hadn't been strike three, Sullivan would have just been sent back to first.

2007-08-18 19:27:18
62.   Lexinthedena
Imagine the Matt Kemp hype machine if he played for the Yanks/Mets/Sox?
2007-08-18 19:28:31
63.   Lexinthedena
61- So does Holliday get tabbed for two outs?
2007-08-18 19:29:33
64.   Bob Timmermann
It's an unassisted double play for Martin. Holliday is like a guy who has lined into a DP.
2007-08-18 19:29:52
65.   overkill94
Chad's gotta get his curve under control if he's going to have success tonight
2007-08-18 19:32:19
66.   silverwidow
He looks really bad tonight, unfortunately.
2007-08-18 19:32:42
67.   Andrew Shimmin
Alex Cora would have gotten that.
2007-08-18 19:34:09
68.   Sam DC
Just for completeness sake, in 38 I left out the words "Marlon Anderson."
2007-08-18 19:34:17
69.   Gen3Blue
Something Chad is doing is incredably ineffective tonight. It might be the curve OK, I havent figured it yet.
2007-08-18 19:35:57
70.   silverwidow
This is probably the worst I've seen Chad.
2007-08-18 19:36:29
71.   Bob Timmermann
Morales has a ways to go to catch Owings tonight.
2007-08-18 19:36:48
72.   Andrew Shimmin
Looks like Morales had 21 career minor league PAs for a line of .118/.167/.176.
2007-08-18 19:36:56
73.   NorCal-Dodger
69 Hopefully Chad figures it out before you do. :-)
2007-08-18 19:37:05
74.   Gen3Blue
Chad's not keeping any pitch down. Thats enough to work on for now.
That second run didn't have to score with a real outfielder.
2007-08-18 19:37:22
75.   Bob Timmermann
You didn't watch him last year did you? Some of those innings seemed to last 20 minutes.
2007-08-18 19:37:39
76.   Gen3Blue
73 Amen to that.
2007-08-18 19:38:42
77.   Gen3Blue
That was truly a great play by Furcal!
2007-08-18 19:40:08
78.   NorCal-Dodger
Maybe the Bad Chad will now leave and the good Chad will show up. We could gain some ground on the W/C tonite.
2007-08-18 19:41:27
79.   Gen3Blue
75 I remember, Bob. I think fortune had a lot to do with Chad's good stats. But this year he oscillates between those high pitch count innings and looking great. If he keeps improving I think he will be great.
2007-08-18 19:41:36
80.   Bob Timmermann
The top 4 teams in the wild card race have lost or are trailing.
2007-08-18 19:42:51
Using the recency of what we just witnessed as my deciding factor, I think I would take 06-07 Furcal over 03-04 Izturis, even if I am just judging them defensively.
2007-08-18 19:43:53
82.   silverwidow
75-I take it back; there was a start in Minnesota last year when he walked 7 that was worse than this. Then again, that was only his 3rd ML appearance, I believe.
2007-08-18 19:45:34
C'mon Russ, you love breaking balls thrown by left handers.

C'mon Morales, the scouting report says you lvoe to throw breaking balls and that you're left handed.

2007-08-18 19:46:45
Who says internet cheering does nothing? I think that was a breaking ball, right?
2007-08-18 19:46:59
85.   natepurcell
andrew lambo is batting .340 in rookie ball now. They should probably move him up a level.
2007-08-18 19:47:15
86.   Gen3Blue
oooh. Looks like a broken finger.
2007-08-18 19:48:09
87.   Indiana Jon
What was the song they just played when Hillenbrand came to the plate?
2007-08-18 19:48:15
88.   Bob Timmermann
I believe the diagnosis for that is simply just "Ouch!"
2007-08-18 19:48:50
89.   silverwidow
Morales is a poor man's Liriano.
2007-08-18 19:48:54
90.   alexx
It seems like the Rockies have great place discipline. Better than the Dodgers', at least.
2007-08-18 19:49:17
91.   FRM
hi to board...anyone know when LaRoche will start playing again inn AAA?
2007-08-18 19:49:41
92.   Bob Timmermann
I replayed the song for Hillenbrand, but couldn't ID it.
2007-08-18 19:49:56
93.   NorCal-Dodger
Can't we just brin LaRoche up now??
2007-08-18 19:50:51
94.   silverwidow
91-He was supposed to play this weekend, but isn't in the lineup tonight. They're wise to wait until his back is 100%
2007-08-18 19:51:22
95.   Bob Timmermann
Did you leave out a g or an e?

I really don't wish to soak LaRoche in a salt solution overnight before cooking him.

2007-08-18 19:51:41
87 A better question is what is the song they play during commercial breaks on It sounds like something out of a creepy carnival or a bad acid trip.
2007-08-18 19:53:39
97.   FRM
thanks silverwidow...low OBP guys like Hillebrand scare me
2007-08-18 19:53:58
98.   Gen3Blue
86 my oooh didn't convey the sound I wanted, which is more like eeeeew and has evil conotations, like more playing time for certain outfielders.( I an ashamed)
2007-08-18 19:54:08
99.   Indiana Jon
85 Moving him up to Great Lakes may be a better move. Ortiz seems to be doing well for a 19 year old in Ogden.
2007-08-18 19:55:07
100.   FRM
great throw
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2007-08-18 19:55:35
101.   KAYVMON
Kent looked suprised at how close that play was.
2007-08-18 19:56:00
102.   Indiana Jon
99 Of course that makes no sense, because Lambo doesn't play 1B does he?
2007-08-18 19:56:37
103.   Bob Timmermann
Gonzalez can every now and then come up with a throw that looks decent. Pierre can find the cutoff man if Furcal stands 250 feet from home.
2007-08-18 19:57:25
104.   FRM
Pierre has one of worst outfiled arms in majors
2007-08-18 19:57:34
105.   stubbs
Penny on three days rest tomorrow? Why is Little messing with his routine? What is the thinking here?
2007-08-18 19:58:26
106.   natepurcell

hes played 1b when Orr DHs or doesn't play. He is mostly a right fielder though.

2007-08-18 20:00:02
107.   Lexinthedena
How is Lambo as a Centerfielder?
2007-08-18 20:01:05
108.   Gen3Blue
Despite all, the D's good Morales to throw some pitches, and that is definitely the approach to this Newbie.
Yeah he got Bills, but now he sees some Vets who will make him throw some more.
2007-08-18 20:01:07
109.   KAYVMON
[103,104] Why cant they put Pierre on some kind of arm strenghtening program? I say send him to Mike Marshall to see if his vodoo works.
2007-08-18 20:02:17
110.   FRM
Grady probably just cannot stomach another Tomko start...especially when team is on winning streak. Tomko is going to get lit up in Philadelphia...balls fly out of there
2007-08-18 20:02:52
111.   Gen3Blue
Don't worry, Morales is a triple A type pitcher, and our guys like Kemp and Loney will plaster him.
2007-08-18 20:03:37
112.   Telemachos
Was that pitch really as far outside as Gameday said it was? (The pitch Pierre struck out on)
2007-08-18 20:04:28
113.   Terry A
109 - I say send him to Penny Marshall...
2007-08-18 20:04:29
114.   Gen3Blue
112 I think so.
2007-08-18 20:05:37
115.   underdog
So who does this Morales guy think he is, Stults or something?
2007-08-18 20:07:06
116.   underdog
Chad needs to channel his inner Eric Stults.

Okay, I'll stop now.

2007-08-18 20:07:12
117.   natepurcell
How is Lambo as a Centerfielder?

Probably not do-able.

2007-08-18 20:07:48
118.   stubbs
As long as Tomko is skipped completley it makes sense. He has no chance in philly.
2007-08-18 20:07:51
119.   Bob Timmermann
Loney would really have to expand his strike zone to hit Morales right now.
2007-08-18 20:09:16
120.   Andrew Shimmin
Vin's more excited about Owings's night than Bob is!
2007-08-18 20:11:37
121.   stubbs
Vin has made up a schedule for Arizona next week that doesnt exist. they dont play the pirates and nationals. they play the brewers and cubs.
2007-08-18 20:11:41
122.   stubbs
Vin has made up a schedule for Arizona next week that doesnt exist. they dont play the pirates and nationals. they play the brewers and cubs.
2007-08-18 20:12:23
123.   Lexinthedena
118- Hopefully that start ends up going to Hull or D.J....
2007-08-18 20:17:02
124.   FRM
I like Vin's schedule better
2007-08-18 20:18:54
125.   Bob Timmermann
Did you see Owings' home runs?
2007-08-18 20:19:01
126.   Lexinthedena
Another young scrub that the D's make look like Koufax....
2007-08-18 20:22:57
127.   NorCal-Dodger
C'mon, Dhad, get a 1-2-3 inning under 15 pitches
2007-08-18 20:24:15
128.   NorCal-Dodger
So, much for that..he's walking the tightrope, just like his last start
2007-08-18 20:24:15
129.   natepurcell
cory sullivan is reaching eckstein levels of annoyance.
2007-08-18 20:25:45
130.   JoeyP
Didnt Kemp catch that?
2007-08-18 20:25:58
131.   regfairfield
Sullivan is a total Dodger killer, prior to tonight he was hitting .373/.432/.525 against us.
2007-08-18 20:26:00
132.   Bob Timmermann
Apparently, he did.
2007-08-18 20:26:25
133.   natepurcell
yea it looked like he caught it.
2007-08-18 20:26:52
134.   Andrew Shimmin
125- I'm hoping TBS will replay them tomorrow. I'm going to have to get EI next year.

Don't throw Hurdle out! Don't reward his team by letting somebody else run it!

2007-08-18 20:26:58
135.   natepurcell
i promise i typed that before the umpires made the call :)
2007-08-18 20:27:14
136.   JoeyP
He made it harder that it should have been, but he caught it after the initial deflection.
2007-08-18 20:28:28
137.   gpellamjr
The Colorado announcers are pretty sure of this. I can't understand how they can assert so surely that the ball hit the wall.

While we're on the subject, are there any announcers who are stupider than the 3 regular Colorado announcers?

2007-08-18 20:29:28
138.   Bob Timmermann
Owings hit both of his homer over 400'. He had a Kuo-ian bat toss after the first one. The second was measured at 434' to dead center I believe.
2007-08-18 20:30:07
139.   CanuckDodger
As long as people are talking about Lambo, I read an article at about the guy. Logan White is quoted as saying, "He reminds me of James Loney with the way he swings a bat. And, like James, he can really pick at first base." Also like Loney, Lambo has a strong arm, so the Dodgers are playing him in right field to see if he can stick there. On the issue of Lambo's character faults, Lambo says he got in with a bad crowd but eventually cleaned up his act, and White says, "He made some kid mistakes and I believe in second chances." According to Lambo, "I owe everything to Logan White. He's given me my chance and I don't want to ever do anything that would make him sorry."
2007-08-18 20:30:08
140.   Sam DC
I've never heard the Colorado folks, but I'd still put money on San Diego being worse.
2007-08-18 20:30:25
141.   Bob Timmermann
They play looked deceptive because Kemp's bare hand hit the wall around the same time the ball was heading there so it would appear that the ball hit the fence because you could see the padding move.
2007-08-18 20:30:52
142.   Andrew Shimmin
Is that the first time Kemp has caught (to the extent he did) the ball when he interacted with the wall?
2007-08-18 20:31:11
143.   jujibee
137. Krukow, Kieper, Morgan
2007-08-18 20:32:50
144.   gpellamjr
I think the SD and SF announcers are awful, but I don't think they display the same lack of cognition that the Colorado guys do.
2007-08-18 20:34:11
145.   ucladodger
a rested Russell beats that ball
2007-08-18 20:34:37
146.   Exick
First I had to hear Vin Scully say "golden shower" then that play. Ugh.
2007-08-18 20:34:58
147.   natepurcell
tulo with a great play.
2007-08-18 20:35:31
148.   Andrew Shimmin
I wouldn't mind seeing LuGo charge the mound.
2007-08-18 20:36:26
149.   ucladodger
Morales is really getting guys on that hitch in the windup. It will be interesting to see how the hitters adjust in future games against him.

I also think he'll blow out his arm sometime in the near future.

2007-08-18 20:36:36
150.   gpellamjr
146 Was he singing Zappa's "Bobby Brown"?
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2007-08-18 20:39:03
151.   Gen3Blue
If he could expand it in absence, or is that Absynth, or was that a 19th century drink, or what.
2007-08-18 20:40:06
152.   Andrew Shimmin
150- Describing what, specifically, will be depicted in McCourt's statue of the fans.
2007-08-18 20:40:31
153.   natepurcell
pulling chad after 5?
2007-08-18 20:43:53
154.   Gen3Blue
When I saw the line-up, I thought, how do we get runs tonight. Well Kemp may be good for a blast, but we will need some good fortune cause rooks always have a lot of adrenaline. So come on you good D's.
2007-08-18 20:45:09
155.   Gen3Blue
153 Yeah maybe, but Chad was well into the eighties
2007-08-18 20:45:57
156.   Come on Donkey
Nate, I need you to tell me that Chad was using a lot of cut fastballs tonight and that his fastball isn't topping at 92 now. Mechanically, does he look okay to you?
2007-08-18 20:46:24
157.   Louis in SF
In my mind the SD anouncers are far worse. What is apparent to just about all of the Fox announcers from other teams they make way too many generalizations. Colorado tonight almost refered to Loney has a fringe player. "The Dodgers are rotating first baseman" The San Diego folks besides being blatenly homer's never have figured out that Furcal's home run production is down this year because of his injury. I think everyone in LA has long accepted that fact.
2007-08-18 20:48:52
158.   gpellamjr
Two strikeouts for Hendrickson. He'll be back in the rotation again next time around.
2007-08-18 20:52:30
159.   Lexinthedena
157- It's amazing how uninformed so many people who get paid to cover baseball are.....The clowns on baseball tonight say some of the most rediculous things, especially when it comes to West Coast teams.....
2007-08-18 20:53:31
160.   NorCal-Dodger
I still think that the Gnats announcers of Kuiper, Krukow, FP Santangelo are a bunch of ......, can put up with Jon Miller when he is not on Sunday ESPN with Joe Morgan. But the one announcer I like in the Bay area is Dave Fleming, he has a very smooth approach and is not a homer, I don't listen to A's much, but it is Kuiper's brother.
2007-08-18 20:55:58
161.   jtrichey
Franklin Morales has looked very good tonight, no doubt. BUT we deserve a dash of cold water to the face for not even seeing if he could be wild. This is a guy in his first major league start with at least minor control troubles in the minors. 4 batters in the 1st see 9 total pitches? That can not be the team approach to this pitcher, and either Grady or Mueller need to answer this question. Again, Morales is looking pretty special tonight, not afraid of the curve/change at all, but we have to test him a little more than this.
2007-08-18 20:59:26
162.   Lexinthedena
Wow....Hurdle with a quick hook.....Is that Latroy comin out?
2007-08-18 21:03:23
163.   Bob Timmermann
LaTroy "Screaming Line Drive" Hawkins
2007-08-18 21:03:56
164.   jtrichey
You gotta hit Loney or Sweeney against LaTroy instead of Saenz right? RIGHT?
2007-08-18 21:05:50
165.   jtrichey
Oh, C'mon Grady! Not Olmedo! No excuse
2007-08-18 21:06:01
166.   Bob Timmermann
Grady Little does not recognize your use of the imperative mood.
2007-08-18 21:06:05
167.   Jon Weisman
Man, Kent hit that on the nose.
2007-08-18 21:06:11
168.   Andrew Shimmin
Oughta, not gotta, evidently.
2007-08-18 21:07:07
169.   Bob Timmermann
The subjunctive mood has no place in baseball.

Except when determining errors and unearned runs.

2007-08-18 21:07:37
170.   Lexinthedena
Grady really gives the haters a lot of ammo with his stubborn insistence on placing the Tomato in the middle of the order....
2007-08-18 21:07:38
171.   Lexinthedena
Grady really gives the haters a lot of ammo with his stubborn insistence on placing the Tomato in the middle of the order....
2007-08-18 21:07:57
172.   NorCal-Dodger
No more juice left in the Tomato, all squished out!
2007-08-18 21:09:33
173.   jtrichey
If you want to give him the occasional start against a lefty fine, but Olmedo has done nothing against right handers this year to justify leaving him in there in a game changing situation. Especially not when Loney and Sweeney are on the bench.
2007-08-18 21:10:18
174.   Vishal
time to DFA saenz. even if it's just a funk, and not really that he's "done", the dodgers don't have enough at-bats to give him to play out of it.
2007-08-18 21:10:51
175.   regfairfield
171 The man does kill lefties quite well. He hasn't been striking out all that often so if you kept throwing him out there, he'd eventually improve.

His isos against lefties (.149 patience, .176 power) combined with a low BABIP show that he should be in the middle of the order against left, especially in our lineup.

2007-08-18 21:12:00
176.   gpellamjr
Bob, both of your grammatical identifications have been wrong. 164 & 168 are both expressed in the indicative.
2007-08-18 21:12:21
177.   Bob Timmermann
If Saenz were let go, who replaces him from the minors who is any better right now?

The emphasis being NOW.

2007-08-18 21:13:15
178.   Andrew Shimmin
Is there any chance Loney's hurt?
2007-08-18 21:13:41
179.   Lexinthedena
177- Delwyn Young?
2007-08-18 21:14:16
180.   gpellamjr
178 He pinch hit last night, so I really doubt it. Little has just given up on him like he did with Ethier last year.
2007-08-18 21:15:08
181.   Bob Timmermann
How is "gotta" not imperative? How is "oughta" not subjunctive?
2007-08-18 21:16:53
182.   gpellamjr
181 "Gotta" is just a slang for "have to". "Oughta" is slang for "ought to". Those are just indicative verbs that express necessity.
2007-08-18 21:18:44
183.   gpellamjr
Now that I think of it, I wonder if "ought" is an archaic subjunctive of "to owe" from way back when english had a subjunctive.
2007-08-18 21:19:56
184.   Bob Timmermann
But if I were to say "Go soak your feet" would it be indicative, subjunctive, imperative, or should I just give up in the face of a man who reads "The Iliad" for relaxation while on the can?
2007-08-18 21:21:25
185.   gpellamjr
184 "Go soak your feet" would be imperative.

An expression of that in the indicative would be "You gotta go soak your feet."

A subjunctive expression would be something like "May you go soak your feet." or "Would that you would go soak your feet."

2007-08-18 21:22:07
186.   Bob Timmermann
Everyone else, avert your eyes!

Orig. the past tense of OWE v. (see also discussion s.v.).
Like other Primitive Germanic preterite-present verbs, OWE v. originally formed its past tense with a dental element suffixed immediately to the stem: cf. Old Frisian {amac}chte, Old Saxon {emac}hta, Old Icelandic átta, Old Swedish aatte (Swedish (now regional) åtte), Old Danish ate, ottæ (early modern Danish aatte), Gothic aihta. This continues in Middle English, early inflected as a normal past tense with 2nd singular -est, plural -en, later -e, but frequently uninflected towards the end of the period. 'Double' past tense forms, with the regular past tense suffix added (see {delta} forms) occur occasionally from the 15th cent.
In Middle English, in main verb senses (see branch I.), a past participle use develops, which after the 17th cent. is restricted to Scots. Additionally in these senses in Scots, the word shows a tendency to develop present tense and present participle inflections, reflecting the newer present tense uses, while retaining the uninflected past tense form for past tense uses.
In modal verb use (see branch II.), following the development of present senses, inflected present tense forms are attested from the 16th cent. onwards; the evidence is sparse, suggesting that this is a sporadic independent development in dialects of different regions and periods. On the other hand the development of a past participle and infinitive use in conjunction with other auxiliaries in branch II. occurs late, but establishes itself strongly in British and U.S. dialects from the 19th cent. onwards.
Ought remains the ordinary past tense of owe throughout Middle English. Its development of present and future reference in modal use can be compared with MUST v.1 3. This probably accounts for the emergence of the new regular past tense of owe in late Middle English.
Ought, in standard English, has many of the characteristics of the other modal auxiliaries, notably the lack of inflections and tense distinction and the absence of the do construction in forming negatives and interrogatives. The main exception to this is the retention of the to-infinitive. The construction with bare infinitive arises early in Middle English and survives to the present day, in modern English especially in non-assertive contexts (compare NEED v.2 10c), but this has never become standard, perhaps owing to the influence of the parallel deontic have to (see HAVE v. 7c). In common with must (see MUST v.1 7), the negative that syntactically modifies ought semantically modifies the following infinitive.

2007-08-18 21:24:19
187.   Bob Timmermann
And all those years of my childhood education wasted on incorrectly diagramming and parsing sentences.

Can I sue to have that time added back to my lifespan?

2007-08-18 21:26:03
188.   gpellamjr
187 Now, Bob, don't you mean "May I"?

No, I suppose you don't.

2007-08-18 21:27:04
189.   Bob Timmermann
I don't want permission. I want to know if it's possible.

It's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission.

2007-08-18 21:28:00
190.   Bob Timmermann
I believe gpellamjr and I have driven everyone else to watching infomercials.
2007-08-18 21:28:47
191.   gpellamjr
189 Yes, whence my joke.

I thought my advisor made up the phrase "It's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission." You might wonder why my advisor has said that to me more than once, but I won't answer.

2007-08-18 21:29:32
192.   Andrew Shimmin
187- No. But if you join the D'backs Appreciation League of Southern California today, we can guarantee that you won't waste any new years rooting for the Dodgers.

Free to join! No obligation! Operators are standing by!

2007-08-18 21:30:15
193.   Bob Timmermann
At least I have black ink in my printer.

Actually it's black toner.

2007-08-18 21:31:17
194.   gpellamjr
193 Would that I had any ink at all! or money with which to buy some!
2007-08-18 21:31:48
195.   gpellamjr
Mark Sweeney is a better hitter than James Loney. There is no doubt.
2007-08-18 21:32:53
196.   Bob Timmermann
Mark Sweeney is a Professional Hitter™. He is capable of giving a team a Professional At Bat™.
2007-08-18 21:33:17
197.   Bob Timmermann
Padres lose 3-2.
2007-08-18 21:34:14
198.   Lexinthedena
195- And a better base runner than Hideki Irabu.
2007-08-18 21:34:55
199.   jtrichey
Whither Mike Lieberthal?
2007-08-18 21:36:05
200.   Bob Timmermann
Mike Lieberthal's home is deliberately blanked out on Google Earth.
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2007-08-18 21:37:06
201.   alexx
Sweeney's career OPS against lefties is under 600.
2007-08-18 21:39:13
202.   gpellamjr
Juan Pierre will now hit a home run to put the Dodgers ahead.
2007-08-18 21:40:07
203.   das411
Wait a minute.....what did Mr. Vin just say about Fuentes wearing a costume when he worked at Chuck E Cheese's? Who would need to wear a giant mouse costume there....unless....NO!!!!!
2007-08-18 21:41:10
204.   Andrew Shimmin
Why does Vin think Pierre's hitting over .300 against lefties?
2007-08-18 21:41:42
205.   gpellamjr
Are the Colorado announcers actually told to complain about every call that goes against the Rockies?
2007-08-18 21:42:37
206.   gpellamjr
Fuentes is the greatest reliever of all time, because he just struck out the toughest guy in the league to strike out.
2007-08-18 21:42:51
207.   Lexinthedena
ugh.....I would rather be watching "Man Being Hit In The Groin With Football" starring George C. Scott.
2007-08-18 21:42:52
208.   Louis in SF
Alex Cora would have fouled that pitch off
2007-08-18 21:44:19
209.   gpellamjr
207 I prefer the original. I always prefer the original.
2007-08-18 21:44:36
210.   JoeyP
Not a Loney fan, but his benching the last two games is ridiculous.
2007-08-18 21:45:49
211.   Bob Timmermann
The Chicago White Sox are now all alone in last place in the AL Central.
2007-08-18 21:46:54
212.   gpellamjr
211 I bet the computer that didn't give them enough respect at the beginning of the season is really gloating right now. Smug computers.
2007-08-18 21:47:57
213.   Bob Timmermann
The White Sox now have the same record as Texas and the only team in the AL that is worse is Tampa Bay.
2007-08-18 21:49:16
214.   gpellamjr
The Col play-by-play guy is currently looking up the story about why Beimel where's the number 97.
2007-08-18 21:49:45
215.   gpellamjr
214 Big typo. wears
2007-08-18 21:51:01
216.   Bob Timmermann
You get on my case about the imperative and then you use "where's" for "wears"?

Let he who is without grammatical sin cast the first stone!

(Ducks as William Safire hurls rock at head.)

2007-08-18 21:51:17
217.   King of the Hobos
214 Year of his son's birth, correct?
2007-08-18 21:52:01
218.   gpellamjr
216 "Let him who is without sin..."
2007-08-18 21:52:16
219.   Bob Timmermann
Actually, Beimel specifically asked for the highest two-digit prime number.
2007-08-18 21:53:50
220.   jtrichey
Jorge Julio just seems like somebody who is ready to give up 3 runs? Oughtn't he?
2007-08-18 21:54:55
221.   Lexinthedena
Caracas is one of my favorate places in the whole wide world.....
2007-08-18 21:54:55
222.   Lexinthedena
Caracas is one of my favorate places in the whole wide world.....
2007-08-18 21:55:55
223.   Bob Timmermann
Jesus did not believe in the objective.

It's in the Bible.

Toward the back.

2007-08-18 21:57:25
224.   gpellamjr
223 John 8. The Greek expression is: "Suffer to cast the first stone whoever is without sin." The Greek doesn't use an objective (here, an accusative would be required), but leaves the object to be provided by the relative clause.
2007-08-18 21:58:01
225.   das411
Um...why exactly did we get a replay of a line out from Kent his last time up?
2007-08-18 21:58:32
226.   Bob Timmermann
Gpellamjr has wrecked my mood and now he's getting on my case!

I feel very tense. I feel like I have to be pluperfect.

2007-08-18 21:59:18
227.   Lexinthedena
How did Kemp get on base?
2007-08-18 21:59:23
228.   gpellamjr
226 I also have your number.
2007-08-18 21:59:33
229.   trainwreck
Kemp can fly like some sort of winged creature.
2007-08-18 21:59:38
230.   gpellamjr
227 Four pitch walk.
2007-08-18 22:00:33
231.   Lexinthedena
We ALL saw that coming.....
2007-08-18 22:00:40
232.   Andrew Shimmin
RBI of Shame for Saenz.
2007-08-18 22:00:45
233.   Michael D
Time to fire Little.
2007-08-18 22:01:09
234.   JoeyP
Saenz against batting ahead of Loney.
2007-08-18 22:01:10
235.   gpellamjr
232 He won't even get an RBI for that.
2007-08-18 22:01:28
236.   Bob Timmermann
At the risk of using hyperbole, but James Loney better have had his tibia sticking out through his skin or else he should have been batting instead of Saenz.
2007-08-18 22:01:53
237.   PDH5204
Why oh why do we send up the fellow most likely to GIDP? And he doesn't hit righties all that well either, as reported already.
2007-08-18 22:01:56
238.   gpellamjr
I figured it out. Gonzo gets on here and Hillenbrand hits the GW HR!
2007-08-18 22:02:08
239.   Lexinthedena
233-I'm not trying to call for that yet...but c'mon Grady, to start Olmedo at such a critical point in the season.....


2007-08-18 22:02:13
240.   jtrichey
If you let Olmedo hit the first time, I guess you are going to the second time. I would fire Grady twice after the game
2007-08-18 22:03:48
242.   ucladodger
Saenz not doing anything productive was the most predictable outcome of any game I've watched this year. He just cannot hit right handers to save his life, and loney is in the dugout with a bat in his hand. smart move, Grady.

Also, why is Russell batting behind Olmedo tonight? Fine, get him in against a lefty, but put Russell ahead of him and take him out once the lefty is removed from the game.

2007-08-18 22:04:05
243.   jtrichey
The Rockie guys put up a stat that Olmedo has 31 PAs in double play opps. He has grounded into 5. 16% of the time!
2007-08-18 22:04:12
244.   Lexinthedena
What a player we have at Catcher...This guy is Gibson-esque....
2007-08-18 22:04:18
245.   Andrew Shimmin
"Another negative event is the RBI of Shame, which happens when a run crosses the plate during a double play. It's no RBI at all, officially, and really isn't much to be proud of, but once in awhile those runs do come in handy. "

2007-08-18 22:04:26
246.   PDH5204
Russ trying to give us victory in spite of Grady...
2007-08-18 22:05:28
247.   gpellamjr
242 At this point in his career, Loney doesn't have enough experience to be consistent. With Saenz, you know you'll get a professional at bat every time up. Loney makes too many youthful mistakes, and, because he's young, he can't hit the curve ball.
2007-08-18 22:05:31
248.   Bob Timmermann
Like Henry Gibson?
2007-08-18 22:06:04
249.   coachjpark
Olmedo is a veteran, so he deserves the benefit of the doubt whereas Kemp, Ethier, Loney are young players and don't deserve the veteranesque treatment...
2007-08-18 22:06:54
250.   jasonungar07
Yeah usually I don't blame the manager but at this point of the season to not start Loney and Either (him more..924OPS since all star break) makes me not really care anymore.
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2007-08-18 22:06:59
251.   coachjpark
Hillenbrand... another wiley veteran!
2007-08-18 22:07:21
252.   ucladodger
crap call changes Chea's AB completely
2007-08-18 22:07:21
253.   coachjpark
wow that pitch was low!
2007-08-18 22:08:18
254.   coachjpark
Veteran Magic!!!!
2007-08-18 22:08:24
255.   xaphor
Hilly the Hero
2007-08-18 22:08:36
256.   Lexinthedena
Wow.....Tulowitzki was in the air for days.....
2007-08-18 22:08:38
257.   gpellamjr
Lock Hillenbrand up long term. That guy is clutch! That's why they call Ned Midas! GO BLUE!!
2007-08-18 22:08:38
258.   jasonungar07
At the very least Ethier and Loney are better defenders and base runners than Olmedo and Gonzo. To go along with hitters.

yep, just when I am out they pull me......

2007-08-18 22:08:59
259.   CanuckDodger
Gameday is stuck with Tomato at the plate, no balls, no strikes. What has happened since then? Anybody?
2007-08-18 22:09:19
260.   Bob Timmermann
Hillenbrand's Heroes!

We need a t-shirt!

2007-08-18 22:09:25
261.   gpellamjr
Come on, James!
2007-08-18 22:09:42
262.   JoeyP
Dodgers really dont deserve to win this game based on the managing.

Shea just bought himself another 3 weeks in the lineup no matter if LaRoche is healthy or not.

2007-08-18 22:09:52
263.   Andrew Shimmin
259- Tie game! And the time is finally right for Loney to hit.
2007-08-18 22:10:23
264.   jtrichey
Shea Hey!
2007-08-18 22:10:57
265.   ucladodger
If we hold the Rockies scoreless, im calling a Bison walk off of some sort in the bottom of the 9th.
2007-08-18 22:10:59
266.   gpellamjr
Another rookie mistake by Loney. He is tired. He's not used to playing this deep into the year. He needs more time off.
2007-08-18 22:11:19
267.   das411
So did we/he/they just set a new record for the most "deuces wild" in one half-inning?
2007-08-18 22:11:28
268.   Bob Timmermann
Unlike the shrewd managing that Clint Hurdle is known for.
2007-08-18 22:11:37
269.   jasonungar07
come on big game james. be worthy

I just caught myself saying that by accident..

2007-08-18 22:11:42
270.   PDH5204
Saenz GIPD'd. Then hit, then walk, then hit, then out to end the inning.
2007-08-18 22:12:27
271.   Lexinthedena
Very unproffessional at bat there James.....send him down...I'm sure Dave Clark is out there somewhere.....
2007-08-18 22:15:11
272.   Bob Timmermann
Dave Clark had an impressive 3 for 15 career for the Dodgers.
2007-08-18 22:15:44
273.   PDH5204
259 Sorry, left out the run there to tie it.
2007-08-18 22:18:26
274.   Bob Timmermann
Poor Andrew, he missed the Galaxy's 5-4 loss to the Red Bulls tonight.
2007-08-18 22:22:41
275.   Jon Weisman
Even though the group sarcasm isn't at any other commenter's expense, it's getting old fast.

Hi, CoachJ. Feel like I haven't seen you in a while. How are things?

2007-08-18 22:23:11
276.   xaphor
274 . In front of 66,000 no less.
2007-08-18 22:25:12
277.   Bob Timmermann
Pierre's only other 3 K day.

2007-08-18 22:25:49
278.   Bob Timmermann
Kemp is walking somewhere.

But it's not back to the dugout.

2007-08-18 22:27:41
279.   ucladodger
Nasty at bat ruined my prediction. Didnt help that the first strike was 4 inches outside, but you gotta pull the trigger on one of those hangers.
2007-08-18 22:31:10
280.   jujibee
the strikezone this game has been atrocious. I don't know if the ump is favoring one team or the other, but his zone is all over the place. Add the pitch Brox just threw there to the tally.
2007-08-18 22:33:28
281.   Lexinthedena
280- Colorado has a pretty white lineup....
2007-08-18 22:33:50
282.   coachjpark
Things are good. Off to Hawaii on Monday before school starts next week. Pitching in a Sunday baseball league. Holding Dodger outings. Can't complain. Hoping the Dodgers pull it off today...
2007-08-18 22:35:37
283.   coachjpark
Helton 5 years ago would have hit that one out...
2007-08-18 22:35:41
284.   xaphor
282 . We had to sit through Grammar Thoughts, the Dodgers owe us a victory.
2007-08-18 22:37:10
285.   Bob Timmermann
The tension was thick here when I saw a cricket scurrying across my carpet.

I managed to nail it with my shoe. As I got ready to give it a dignified burial in the trash, my cat used an alternate disposal method.

2007-08-18 22:37:53
286.   Andrew Shimmin
Unsilky baserunning by Atkins.
2007-08-18 22:38:12
287.   Linkmeister
282 What island?
2007-08-18 22:39:17
288.   Bob Timmermann
My story about the cricket was a metaphor about Atkins getting thrown out at third.
2007-08-18 22:39:27
289.   Linkmeister
Huh? Singles on a popup, Atkins out at 3rd?

Please explain!

2007-08-18 22:40:56
290.   Lexinthedena
Can't wait for the September call-ups...wish it was Abreu coming up to bat...
2007-08-18 22:40:57
291.   xaphor
Bloop into left with Lugo playing deep, Furcal guns it to third to get Atkins stretching.
2007-08-18 22:41:06
292.   Bob Timmermann
Bloop single to left and Furcal caught it quickly and nailed Atkins going to third.
2007-08-18 22:41:10
293.   jujibee
Furcal got to the ball and threw him out at third trying to take an extra base.
2007-08-18 22:41:19
294.   Andrew Shimmin
289- LuGo was positioned in the bullpen, so Furcal went out after a soft fly, but couldn't get to it. Atkins tried to take third, possibly because Rich Donnelly has learned to control other people with his mind. He was not successful.
2007-08-18 22:41:25
295.   Linkmeister
Guys, I'm relying on Gameday here; I need help understanding what happened to Atkins.
2007-08-18 22:41:53
296.   Linkmeister
Shoulda refreshed. Thanks, all.
2007-08-18 22:42:05
297.   Bob Timmermann
He was out. I don't think it needs much more explication. He didn't run fast enough.
2007-08-18 22:43:13
298.   coachjpark
282 Oahu. I'm hoping to see some Losties while I'm there or at least some of the places that have been used from the first three seasons....
2007-08-18 22:43:44
299.   CanuckDodger
285 -- There are crickets in Los Angeles?
2007-08-18 22:44:16
300.   Bob Timmermann
There's one fewer now.
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2007-08-18 22:44:23
301.   Linkmeister
298 Hmm. Lemme find the locations thread at the Hawaii message boards.
2007-08-18 22:44:26
302.   NorCal-Dodger
299 Bob brough Cicadas home wiht him.
2007-08-18 22:45:43
303.   we are infinite
Would love to see Russ get his third steal of the day right here.
2007-08-18 22:46:10
304.   jujibee
If you click on an underlined number linked to a prior thread, is there some trick to get back to current without scrolling through??
2007-08-18 22:46:14
305.   Marty
299 Yes, I've lived here all my life and crickets are part of the scenery.
2007-08-18 22:46:24
306.   Bob Timmermann
I imagine that there have been crickets in Southern California for about as long as there have been crickets.

Crickets aren't discouraged much by deserts. Ask the good people of Utah and Nevada.

2007-08-18 22:46:46
307.   Lexinthedena
299- You used to be able to hear them at the Sports Arena during the winter...
2007-08-18 22:47:34
308.   Andrew Shimmin
304- The backspace key.
2007-08-18 22:47:36
309.   Linkmeister
298 This one's good; the guy who put it together is a die-hard fan who goes looking for the locations and is a friend to boot.


2007-08-18 22:48:04
310.   jtrichey
I was sure we were going to win this game in the bottom of the 9th. Now I'm feeling very queasy again.
2007-08-18 22:48:46
311.   nofatmike
307 And now you can hear them there all year round.
2007-08-18 22:50:33
312.   Linkmeister
Somewhat amusingly, if you click on Hillebrand's name in the box at Gameday you get a picture of him in an Angels cap.
2007-08-18 22:50:51
313.   jujibee
308. Thanks.
2007-08-18 22:53:55
314.   ucladodger
James had him but just couldnt get a grip on the ball. Unfortunate right there
2007-08-18 22:54:10
315.   jtrichey
Man! Loney had the play but double clutched a bit. Well, that would have been a big big play. Now we are likely to need more than 1 run in the bottom of the 11th to win it.
2007-08-18 22:54:45
316.   Lexinthedena
This could be the backbreaker.....
2007-08-18 22:56:46
317.   coachjpark
We need a triple play... line drive to Furcal... dives, catches, tags 2nd, and throws to 1st...
2007-08-18 22:56:55
318.   jtrichey
Hold em to 1 please Rudy. That lack of a play by Loney is huge. No other 1st baseman on our team could have made it, but Loney can, and he failed. It's gonna cost us this one.
2007-08-18 22:58:08
319.   Bob Timmermann
I think we need Mike & The Mechanics greatest hit!
2007-08-18 22:58:55
320.   Lexinthedena
Big pitch Rudy....
2007-08-18 22:59:18
321.   CanuckDodger
In the Vancouver area, there aren't even crickets in the suburban areas. You have to go way out to farm country to find them, so I have always thought of them as a rural phenomenon (not that I have spent much time thinking about them at all). What about cockroaches? Are those found in L.A.? We don't have them in Vancouver either. Toronto and Montreal have them, and from American televison shows I gather New York is inundated with them, but I have not heard about them being in Los Angeles.
2007-08-18 22:59:19
322.   NorCal-Dodger
C'mon need a DP....
2007-08-18 22:59:36
323.   Andrew Shimmin
The Living Years?
2007-08-18 23:00:10
324.   natepurcell
only fitting that sullivan is up to crush our hearts.
2007-08-18 23:00:28
325.   Bob Timmermann
The cockroach is alive and well in Southern California.
2007-08-18 23:00:50
326.   Bob Timmermann
I said go if you wanna go,
Stay if you wanna stay
I didnt care if you hung around me
I didnt care if you went away
And I know you were never right
Ill admit I was never wrong
I could never make up my mind
I made it up as I went along

And though I treated you like a child
Im gonna miss you for the rest of my life

All I need is a miracle, all I need is you
All I need is a miracle, all I need is you
All I need is a miracle, all I need is you

2007-08-18 23:00:51
327.   Andrew Shimmin
That was a hell of a thing.
2007-08-18 23:00:55
328.   jtrichey
It's a beautiful thing!!!

Why was Furcal playing right there??? Awesome!

Now we are winning this game!

2007-08-18 23:00:59
329.   NorCal-Dodger
2007-08-18 23:01:03
330.   gpellamjr
Wow! I am very happy now. Every ferret gets a treat!
2007-08-18 23:01:05
331.   mikethinksblue
319 a miracle?
2007-08-18 23:01:14
332.   jasonungar07
2007-08-18 23:01:40
333.   Bob Timmermann
Do ferrets eat crickets? I can get you a deal on them.
2007-08-18 23:01:42
334.   coachjpark
Furcal Double play will work! I think Hillenbrand put a tag just in case...
2007-08-18 23:01:51
335.   Gagne55
I get back home from a Settlers of Catan marathon and turn on the TV in the middle of a 6-2-5 DP. Beautiful!!!
2007-08-18 23:01:55
336.   jtrichey
I will now calm down on the exclamation points.
2007-08-18 23:01:56
337.   Telemachos
You know, Furcal always looks like he plays defense with barely contained fury. I love it.
2007-08-18 23:02:08
338.   Linkmeister
and once again gameday is frozen. DP or what?
2007-08-18 23:02:24
339.   PDH5204
Jon, don't you just love it when we play the infield in?
2007-08-18 23:02:30
340.   gpellamjr
333 We have one who would eat a cricket. Most of them only want grease and sugar.
2007-08-18 23:03:20
341.   Gagne55
318 Hold 'em to one? LOL!
2007-08-18 23:03:34
342.   Bob Timmermann
Why was Furcal standing almost directly in back of Seanez?
2007-08-18 23:03:36
343.   underdog
Wow, that was amazing. Bases loaded, no one out, Seanez pitching, I was getting the rope out just in case. Astounding. Now let's make it worthwhile.

I was just watching the last few innings (and some of the rest on delay) after coming home, and just have to say. Baseball is a crazy game and this one in particular.

2007-08-18 23:04:55
344.   Lexinthedena
That was amazing....
2007-08-18 23:04:55
345.   Bob Timmermann
6-2-5 DP
2007-08-18 23:04:55
346.   underdog
342 He was tempted to pitch just in case, given he has the better arm and all.
2007-08-18 23:05:14
347.   Telemachos
Ned picked up the Pod Person version of Shea Hillenbrand.
2007-08-18 23:05:16
348.   gpellamjr
Here's my man James.

The Colorado announcers are wondering if he will bunt.

2007-08-18 23:05:26
349.   Andrew Shimmin
326- Not their biggest hit. Astounding, but true.

2007-08-18 23:05:33
350.   natepurcell
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2007-08-18 23:05:47
351.   underdog
342 He was tempted to pitch just in case, given he has the better arm and all.
2007-08-18 23:06:22
352.   jujibee
342. I'm guessing it's because Seanez was in and not throwing extremely quick, and Martin was setting up on the inside corner on just about every pitch to the lefties. Kind of hard to hit the ball to left field if you're a lefty and the pitch is inside.
2007-08-18 23:06:59
353.   Telemachos
Oh dear.
2007-08-18 23:07:04
354.   Andrew Shimmin
350- !!!
2007-08-18 23:07:17
355.   coachjpark
Shea you gotta stay!
2007-08-18 23:07:22
356.   natepurcell
wow....SHEA!!!! (angry face)
2007-08-18 23:07:42
357.   ucladodger
Shea really is a true Dodger...
2007-08-18 23:07:43
358.   jtrichey
Huh? Good starts gone bad
2007-08-18 23:08:25
359.   Gagne55
Shea was out by a ton.
2007-08-18 23:09:01
360.   Longhorn Bill
shea it aint so
2007-08-18 23:09:27
361.   jtrichey
What's gonna happen? Furcal bloop hit. Pierre bunt hit, Kemp sac fly
2007-08-18 23:09:41
362.   Lexinthedena
Mike Sweeney school of basepath awareness.....
2007-08-18 23:10:21
363.   coachjpark
Furcal walk-off..
2007-08-18 23:10:39
364.   Bob Timmermann
The Dodgers have Mark, not Mike.
2007-08-18 23:11:36
365.   jtrichey
Juan, most will be forgiven for a hit here
2007-08-18 23:11:50
366.   PDH5204
Juan Pierre, your moment of redemption is at hand...
2007-08-18 23:11:54
367.   underdog
Can we all agree that Hillenbrand really is a good hitter, and also a complete dodo?
2007-08-18 23:12:09
368.   coachjpark
Juan Pierre strikes out for the 4th time... throw goes into right field.... Loney scores....
2007-08-18 23:13:03
369.   jtrichey
Should have forgiven "all" for a hit instead
2007-08-18 23:13:48
370.   underdog
I think this game may outlast me tonight.

Although I do have two episodes from "The Streets of San Francisco" on DVD to watch.

2007-08-18 23:13:49
371.   Lexinthedena
Mike/Mark, Stults/Stultz...Tomato/Olmedo...
2007-08-18 23:14:15
372.   PDH5204
Juan Pierre, that'll be 10 Our Fathers and 4 Hail Marys...and the Mother Superior needs to speak with you...
2007-08-18 23:14:35
373.   Bob Timmermann
Luis Castillo homered tonight for the Mets ending the longest homerless streak among active players.

And now that title goes to ...

I think you can figure it out.

2007-08-18 23:16:33
374.   Bob Timmermann
That's homerless streak in terms of at bats, not games played.

So it's not Mike Stanton.

2007-08-18 23:19:40
375.   Andrew Shimmin
If this game has to go 18 innings for Pierre to get his golden sombrero, it's alright with me.
2007-08-18 23:22:28
376.   mikethinksblue
Rudy! Rudy!
2007-08-18 23:23:14
377.   The Mootz
Rudy blinded me with Seanez!
2007-08-18 23:23:18
378.   Louis in SF
For all of those who hose Rudy on this site, those have been two great innings. Do we see Mike Liberthal?
2007-08-18 23:23:29
379.   jtrichey
I think we need to end it here, because Roberto Hernandez is probably next.
2007-08-18 23:23:43
380.   Lexinthedena
Rudy is getting into a Chuck Norris level zone of awesome, Grady needs to let him hit.....
2007-08-18 23:24:12
381.   Bob Timmermann
The Original Old Friend!
2007-08-18 23:24:18
382.   coachjpark
Matt Herges is on the Rockies???
2007-08-18 23:24:57
383.   Andrew Shimmin
378- Loading the bases while collecting no outs is not great. He got out of it, by the grace of Ch-i, and did well in the last inning. But let's not get crazy.
2007-08-18 23:25:27
384.   Bob Timmermann
Nothing sounds more like a heated pennant race than a bullpen duel between Matt Herges and Roberto Hernandez.
2007-08-18 23:27:20
385.   ucladodger
Kemp with another AB changed by a terrible call. Its really getting rediculous how many calls go against him.
2007-08-18 23:27:27
386.   Bob Timmermann
How true:

"Not scoring enough runs is a bad deal," said San Diego's Morgan Ensberg

2007-08-18 23:27:35
387.   natepurcell
can we please bring in saito before hernandez.
2007-08-18 23:28:30
388.   Bob Timmermann
Saito has pitched three straight days.
2007-08-18 23:30:15
389.   Lexinthedena
Not often you have two catchers back to back in a lineup...
2007-08-18 23:30:21
390.   Gagne55
I think Penny might be a better PH here. Equally good hitters and then you'd still have a position guy on the bench.
2007-08-18 23:30:22
391.   The Mootz
Okay, so who's our backup catcher now if Russell goes down with an injury tonight?

I nominate Derek Lowe. Since his wife took him to the cleaners during their divorce proceedings, he's used to squatting.

2007-08-18 23:32:07
392.   natepurcell

but....its roberto!

2007-08-18 23:33:06
393.   das411
Ok peepz, this east coaster is heading off for the night, let me know who wins tomorrow.

And if anyone wants a bit of a scouting report on where the LAD are headed next week:

2007-08-18 23:33:10
394.   King of the Hobos
388 Of course, if Lowe throws a few more pitches, and Hernandez doesn't pull a Lance Carter, it's 2 out of 3. Let's just hope Roberto avoids his Lance Carter impression tonight.
2007-08-18 23:33:24
395.   mikethinksblue
Steiner just called Hernandez the "ageless wonder." I have a problem with both the adjective and the noun.
2007-08-18 23:34:15
396.   Lexinthedena
Steiner needs to grow back the beard...
2007-08-18 23:34:18
397.   underdog
Poor Mike. He's gotta be rustier than the Tin Man at the beginning of Wizard of Oz.

I'm... barely... hanging... on... One... more...inning... must... see... end... {Unh}

2007-08-18 23:35:14
398.   Lexinthedena
Ned!....where is Meloan!....or anyone not named Roberto Hernandez!
2007-08-18 23:35:53
399.   Gagne55
391 I'd guess Hillenbrand.
2007-08-18 23:37:18
400.   coachjpark
It actually appears that the veteran magic is working today... Hillenbrand (minus baserunning gaffe), Seanez, Hernandez....
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2007-08-18 23:37:24
401.   Lexinthedena
391- Ramon Martinez is the emergency catcher....
2007-08-18 23:38:22
402.   Bob Timmermann
I don't know if the Japanese give out holds, but Lance Carter should have picked one up for this game that was played earlier today.

2007-08-18 23:38:30
403.   Lexinthedena
This Ump is horrible....
2007-08-18 23:38:36
404.   King of the Hobos
401 He's also unavailable.
2007-08-18 23:38:40
405.   Gagne55
401 Isn't he out of the game, though?
2007-08-18 23:39:09
406.   NorCal-Dodger
We got the good Roberto for that inning...we need to end it now.
2007-08-18 23:39:22
407.   Louis in SF
Martines pinch hit already
2007-08-18 23:40:22
408.   Jon Weisman
339 - I'm neutral on playing the infield in. I know situations demand it. Just wonder how much it helps.

This game is like an ongoing miracle.

2007-08-18 23:40:52
409.   mikethinksblue
c'mon Russell, end this
2007-08-18 23:41:03
410.   Gagne55
Well lets see. They'd never have a pitcher come in to catch. Tomko would prolly play the outfield if a position player goes down. Because Pierre and Gonzo are left handed, that would force Kemp to the infield either as the catcher or third base moving Hillenbrand to catcher. Thats why I say Hillenbrand.
2007-08-18 23:41:07
411.   Chiron Brown
Okay Russ, let's end this now and give Mr. Hernandez what will likely be his last major league win.
2007-08-18 23:41:37
412.   Bob Timmermann
Since the emergency catcher would have to be someone in the game, the only candidates are:

Unless you think the Dodgers have a catcher's mitt for lefties in the clubhouse.

2007-08-18 23:42:12
413.   coachjpark
Furcal would have a gun from behind the plate...
2007-08-18 23:42:33
414.   Lexinthedena
Silly me, of course Ramon is unavailable....

Go get 'em Russ...

2007-08-18 23:43:10
415.   bhsportsguy
I have not checked the entire thread so I apologize for bringing this up now, but thanks Brad for volunteering to pitch on short rest so I don't have to see Tomko start the game.
2007-08-18 23:44:18
416.   Gagne55
Belt one Gonzo!!!
2007-08-18 23:44:44
417.   Bob Timmermann
The time stamp on Tony Jackson's last post "Kemp Goes Yard" is for 6:12 pm.

So I really wonder where he's watching this game from.

2007-08-18 23:46:09
418.   Gagne55
416 It all comes down to execution.
2007-08-18 23:47:21
419.   Gagne55
Another inning from Kool Aid?
2007-08-18 23:47:23
420.   Lexinthedena
I must say that Herges looked excellent...
2007-08-18 23:48:42
421.   Reddog
What happens if nobody can score?
2007-08-18 23:50:07
422.   Gagne55
421 Eventually somebody will run out of pitchers.
2007-08-18 23:51:34
423.   Gagne55
When listing the pitchers left for colorado did Scully say Ramon Ortiz twice?
2007-08-18 23:52:00
424.   King of the Hobos
422 I'm sure we can just throw Pierre out there to throw some knuckleballs. Of course, Roberto doesn't want that to happen.
2007-08-18 23:52:34
425.   jtrichey
Heck, we might get to see Roberto Hernandez hit. Do you just go with Hernandez til the end, come hell or high water, run Saito out for a 4th straight night (certainly won't go more than 1 inning regardless), or go with Tomko?
2007-08-18 23:52:49
426.   Lexinthedena
What a waste of fairy dust this will be if we lose it....
2007-08-18 23:53:35
427.   underdog
Can we call up Meloan and Abreu mid-game?

Paging Chad Moeller, Paging Chad Moeller.

Oh, Hernandez is still pitching - night all!

2007-08-18 23:53:58
428.   Gagne55
I hope Little chooses the correct pitch to pitch out.
2007-08-18 23:56:20
429.   Bob Timmermann
Roberto Hernandez hasn't pitched more than 2 innings in a game since August 25, 1996.

2007-08-18 23:56:37
430.   jtrichey
OK, say 3 of the next 5 Dodgers reach base and 2 get out. Bases loaded 2 out bottom of the 14th for...Roberto Hernandez! I think he would have to give Penny a chance, and just hope we do more than tie it.
2007-08-18 23:56:49
431.   Gagne55
How was the 3-2 pitch not in the strike zone??!!!
2007-08-18 23:57:22
432.   natepurcell
that was strike 3!
2007-08-18 23:57:40
433.   Lexinthedena
430- Stults is a capable batsman...
2007-08-18 23:58:46
434.   Lexinthedena
If I was a manager I think I would be a lot more Like Larry Bowe than Grady Little....
2007-08-18 23:59:34
435.   King of the Hobos
Now the Rockies are actively trying to injure Martin?
2007-08-18 23:59:43
436.   coachjpark
What's the likelihood that Martin will be catching tomorrow?
2007-08-18 23:59:51
437.   Bob Timmermann
And Larry Bowa was such a success as a manager.
2007-08-18 23:59:54
438.   Gagne55
Kool Aid predictably fails... again.
2007-08-19 00:00:08
439.   NorCal-Dodger
Guess Liberthal gets a start tomorrow?
2007-08-19 00:01:04
440.   NorCal-Dodger
Guess Liberthal gets a start tomorrow?
2007-08-19 00:01:07
441.   Lexinthedena
437- I'm speaking to my own frustration....I think I would be a lot more prone to the meltdown that Grady...
2007-08-19 00:02:47
442.   Andrew Shimmin
437- He was the 2001 NL Manager of the Year. There's more to managing than winning games, bub.
2007-08-19 00:03:57
443.   Gagne55
439 440 Neither extra innings nor day after night, nor foul tips nor aching knees shall keep Martin out of the lineup. ;)
2007-08-19 00:03:57
444.   Bob Timmermann
Did he go a long time without any workplace injuries? Did he get everyone's timesheets filled in correctly?
2007-08-19 00:04:35
445.   jtrichey
He remembered the cover sheets on his TPS reports
2007-08-19 00:05:41
446.   underdog
I think his greatest success was that Sci-Fi channel movie "Python vs. Bowa."
2007-08-19 00:06:31
447.   coachjpark
Gotta feel bad for RH....
2007-08-19 00:06:36
448.   NorCal-Dodger
It was just a matter of time....
2007-08-19 00:06:41
449.   Lexinthedena
Another loss to pin on the Veteran loyalty of managment...
2007-08-19 00:06:49
450.   Andrew Shimmin
Fortunately, there are only half a dozen people left at the stadium, so I can't hear any boos.
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2007-08-19 00:06:58
451.   Gagne55
D-F-A! D-F-A!
2007-08-19 00:07:26
452.   The Mootz
A few veterans will have tomorrow off.

One of them might be Vin Scully. Day game after a 14-inning marathon is kind of tough.

2007-08-19 00:07:49
453.   underdog
I said this three weeks ago, but DFA Hernandez. Or DFA Saenz to bring up another pitcher. Enough is enough.
2007-08-19 00:08:21
454.   MMSMikey
i cant blame this one on roberto, when we look back on this game i think its pretty sad the dodgers made matt herges look like tom seaver.
2007-08-19 00:08:22
455.   Bob Timmermann
You'll enjoy the workplace when your boss does the same to you.
2007-08-19 00:08:37
456.   King of the Hobos
Probably should have just put Loney in to pitch against Hawpe, the guy can't hit lefties. How we just need a Kemp walk off!
2007-08-19 00:08:38
457.   alexx
I don't know but seeing Hernandez struggle makes me sad. He's so old and feeble looking. He's already thrown fifty pitches? Sad sad. Poor guy.
2007-08-19 00:09:05
458.   MMSMikey

i bet russell martin will not be one of those to have a day off tomorrow.

2007-08-19 00:09:08
459.   NorCal-Dodger
Roberto needs to sent down after the game and bring up Hull...need fresh arms for tomorrow.
2007-08-19 00:09:56
460.   Lexinthedena
Hernandez looks like he might not make it to the dugout...
2007-08-19 00:10:40
461.   underdog
You know despite the result and separate from what I said above, there was something kind of gutsy about Hernandez finishing that inning. I'll say that despite the fact that I'm horrified we have to go to him.
2007-08-19 00:10:44
462.   Bob Timmermann
Hull couldn't be called up unless someone were disabled. He has to spend 10 days at AAA.
2007-08-19 00:12:02
463.   NorCal-Dodger
The next road trip to play the Mets and Phillies will be's almost a must to find a way to get 4 wins on the road..but 6 will be nice.
2007-08-19 00:12:23
464.   Bob Timmermann
Hernandez doesn't have much left. He gave it a good shot. There wasn't much else the Dodgers could do. It may have been his last game and he went down trying do the best he could.
2007-08-19 00:12:28
465.   King of the Hobos
462 That, and Hull pitched 1.2 innings today so he's not really available to pitch much anyways. Call up Meloan!
2007-08-19 00:12:57
466.   MMSMikey
another classic case of every dodger trying to end the game with one swing.
2007-08-19 00:13:54
467.   bhsportsguy
BTW - The guy who really set up this loss, Chad by only going 5 innings again.
2007-08-19 00:13:57
468.   LAT
Just got home. Can't believe this game is still going on. . . even if it about over.

Nice effort at the top of the order 1-11.

2007-08-19 00:14:25
469.   NorCal-Dodger
That was outside!!
2007-08-19 00:14:43
470.   coachjpark
Awful call by the ump... same first pitch to Furcal... and 2nd pitch
2007-08-19 00:16:46
471.   Andrew Shimmin
Alright Pierre. If you're going to make an out, anyway. . .
2007-08-19 00:16:54
472.   jtrichey
Lost in the Hernandez hate, the Dodgers were 9-49 at bat. Furcal, Pierre, Kent, Saenz, and Gonzalez (the vets) were 1-27. Don't win many that way.
2007-08-19 00:18:30
473.   LAT
It appears I spoke too soon thats 1-13 at the top of the order.
2007-08-19 00:18:49
474.   underdog
The Dodgers truly didn't deserve to win that game, in several ways, and yet it still stinks that they lost. Tomorrow's game (er, the game later today I should say) is as important a game as there can be at this point, given the standings, the race, and the pending road trip. Even more crucial that Penny give them some innings.

Ah well. Night all.

2007-08-19 00:19:03
475.   MMSMikey
wow, 1 for 27. thats pathetic. i guess you gotta tip your cap to that staff on colorado.
2007-08-19 00:19:51
476.   bhsportsguy
472 And when Kent homered yesterday, Pierre and Hillebrand drove in runs yesterday, the vets came through.

Its 162 games, teams win them and they lose them.

2007-08-19 00:19:55
477.   Linkmeister
That was disappointing.
2007-08-19 00:21:12
478.   Andrew Shimmin
Lower WPA than Billingsley tonight: Hernandez, Gonzalez, Furcal, Pierre, and Saenz.
2007-08-19 00:21:33
479.   mikethinksblue
Hey Link, what island are you on?
2007-08-19 00:22:01
480.   underdog
464 No, I totally agree. He gave it a game effort, and I almost felt sorry for him out there. I just don't think he should be on the team at all. Or, as I said previously, that they should add an extra pitcher ({cough} Meloan {cough}). It's too bad Saito wasn't available tonight.

As much as I wanted Loney to start over Saenz, he didn't do all that much when he did come in - though he did collect a walk. Tomorrow he's gotta be starting. I'd assume Lieberthal too - except Penny absolutely loves throwing to Martin.

2007-08-19 00:22:01
481.   Lexinthedena
I'm not mad at Hernandez...more at frustrating when scrap heap players are losing critical games and superior talent is in the minors...things we've been complaining about for is rediculous...We have become the Giants, only the Dodgers have talent on the farm....

Good night...

2007-08-19 00:22:49
482.   NorCal-Dodger
Opportuni lost tonite...somehow need to find a way to win tomorrow.
2007-08-19 00:22:50
483.   Louis in SF
If Hernandez is DFA'd and clears waivers he can be in LV for about 10 days, bring up Mealon and how about a trip by Gonzo to the 15 day DL, so Abreu or Young could come up.
2007-08-19 00:23:12
484.   Bob Timmermann
So Hillenbrand's 4 hits don't count in the "veteran" category?

Holliday and Atkins were 2 for 13. They should probably sit too.

2007-08-19 00:25:23
485.   NorCal-Dodger
481 I agree, the D'backs have surged into the best team in the NL, by allowing their kids to blossom, while we keep ours under a shelter. Maybe I'm wrong, but, definitely frustrated.
2007-08-19 00:30:07
486.   Bob Timmermann
But the D-Backs top hitters have been Eric Byrnes and Orlando Hudson.
2007-08-19 00:31:19
487.   Andrew Shimmin
486- Byrnes is young at heart!
2007-08-19 00:34:19
488.   bhsportsguy
478 So I guess that takes Chad off the hook?

Look, all these stats are great but numbers don't help when you have to start going to your pen in the 6th inning everytime you start. And none of those other guys threw the pitch that their pitcher in his first MLB at bat singled in the second run.

481 Exactly how many superior talents are available right now, Meloan, okay, if you could by usage, he would pitch as the last the guy in the pen so unless you get an extra inning game, he's not pitching ahead of Proctor, Beimel, Broxton and Saito. So how valuable is that?

Who else? LaRoche, yes, but he's hurt. Abreu, according to Boras, he was hurt until this week so how many games does that impact. I'd take Delwyn Young over Olmedo but again, sure Olmedo played today but he's not playing that much.

The superior talent is here. Now are there some intriguing guys like James McDonald, yep, though he must be approaching his career high in innings pitched by now.

I hope the next few weeks bring up the guys on the 40 man roster but its just not true that we have tons of superior talent biding their time in the minors.

2007-08-19 00:35:21
489.   Linkmeister
479 Oahu. The one with the most people and automobiles, although I've been told Kauai has worse traffic jams by virtue of fewer roads.
2007-08-19 00:37:48
490.   NorCal-Dodger
You are right Bob, though, they have stuck with Drew,Connor,and brought up Upton, and seems like they'll stick with them.

Even the Tigers let go of Monroe, and brought up their best young talent and he had a HR today. Guess what I'm driving at, is that Ned and Grady are hanging to the experienced guys may be just a bit too long when this season is getting short.

2007-08-19 00:38:40
491.   mikethinksblue
489 I haven't spent much time on Oahu, but lived on Maui for a couple years. No ka oi, and all that.
2007-08-19 00:40:35
492.   Linkmeister
491 I've lived here since 1978, and the family preceded me by 8 years.
2007-08-19 00:43:45
493.   PDH5204
486 Byrnes and Hudson are their only hitters.
2007-08-19 00:44:11
494.   mikethinksblue
492 Cool, you're a real kamaaina...(i think there is an apostrophe in there somewhere) I get to go back in November, looking forward to it.
2007-08-19 00:46:04
495.   Bob Timmermann
And Owings.
2007-08-19 00:50:37
496.   PDH5204
489 So you've never been on that belt highway heading from Kapaa to the airport in Lihue and were realizing that bumper to bumper stop and go isn't going to make your flight? I thought that we had problems here, then I missed my flight the day before the holiday. Can you say first flight out next morning? Slept in the rental car in the parking lot of the Dairy Queen. Reminded me of the time that I slept in the rental car in the airport parking lot at the Kona airport following cancellation of the last flight following the control tower catching on fire thus cancelling all but incoming international and mainland flights. And did I ever tell you about the time...
2007-08-19 01:10:48
497.   CanuckDodger
488 -- I can't tell if you're just being sarcastic or you really believe the nonsense you are spouting about Billingsley. Grady stupidly pulled him with his pitch count only in the mid-80's. He could have pitched the 6th and was on the road to the "quality start." Bills only walked one guy despite the umpire being notorious for having an unconventional strike zone.
2007-08-19 05:58:59
498.   Sam DC
Ryan Langerhans has been DdFA by the Nationals.

Consider yourselves warned.

2007-08-19 07:22:26
499.   Marty
Langerhans probably can't hang a shelf.
2007-08-19 08:11:42
500.   Jon Weisman
497 - I'd certainly take him over Hendrickson, but Billingsley was getting hit pretty hard. Given the flyout to Kemp that was inches from being a double (and a foot from a homer) and a 10th baserunner allowed in 21 batters, right after allowing Sullivan's first home run, I don't know how likely the quality start was. I love Chad, but this wasn't one of his best games. He was removed early not because of pitch counts, but because he wasn't pitching that well.

It was a team loss. Three-fourths of the infield combined to go 0 for 18 with two walks. At the same time, the Dodgers showed resiliency - four double-plays, including the great one in the 11th.

Unfortunately, Hernandez shouldn't be on the roster - he simply can't be counted on for a scoreless inning, much less too.

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2007-08-19 08:14:37
501.   Jon Weisman
All that being said, Jayson Addcox of wrote, "According to Little, Billingsley was being watched closely because he had gone over the 100-pitch mark in his last four outings." So they were being protective.
2007-08-19 09:02:39
502.   silverwidow
I know Hillenbrand is a free agent (the Angels bought out his 08 option) but I fear he'll be brought back in some capacity next year.

This guy whined about not playing everyday in Anaheim, and it'll only get worse here with Loney, Nomar and LaRoche fighting for 3 spots.

2007-08-19 09:03:29
503.   silverwidow
502-Make that 2 spots
2007-08-19 09:25:03
504.   SgtWyatt
Man, what can I say that hasn't been said here already? I know a lot of people here are hesitant to beat up on Hernandez, but let's face it, he's just one of thoe old timers that doesn't want to retire but should have. Seriously, he's taking whatever legacy he had and throwing it down the tubes by making a fool out of himself. I hate to see people like this do that to themselves. He just doesn't have the stuff anymore and the second they brought him out I said to my buddy, "the game is over." The fact of the batter is, it wasn't just tonight...EVERY time they bring Hernandez out he gives it up and needs to be rescued.

Last night was a MUST WIN for the Dodgers, one of the few chances they're going to get between now and the end of the regular season to make some good ground in the wild card. What are the odds the EVERYONE who needs to lose will lose again today?

Of course, you can't blame Hernandez completely (though I still think they should have just brought Saito out to try to take care of the 14th since he had only pitched for 2/3 an inning the past two nights but that's just me). Frankly, Hillenbrand is a huge mistake and had he not been a moron and tried to move his slow (self) to second in the 11th perhaps the momentum that Fucal had created with that INCREDIBLE 'run-of-the-mii' 6 - 2 - 5 doubleplay wouldn't have been lost.

Also, what the heck was Grady thinking starting Saenz instead of Loney????????

Another depressing and demoralizing end to a short-lived Dodger winning streak in a typically rollercoaster Dodger season I guess.

2007-08-19 09:25:48
505.   SgtWyatt
Incidentally, I believe Saenz batting average is around .165 now....why start someone batting below the Mendoza Line? Does Grady want to be 'traded' too? ;)
2007-08-19 09:46:59
506.   Jon Weisman
Hernandez is doing nothing more to his legacy than any of the hundreds of great players who wouldn't go away from the game without a fight. It is not his fault that someone wants to pay him thousands of dollars to be what he is. In the end, he will be remembered for having over 300 saves, not for a few weeks with the Dodgers.

Ever since the Dodgers signed Hernandez, I have felt Meloan deserved a promotion before he did. But I'm sure there are some Dodger fans out there who got promotions that they didn't deserve. I doubt that they all turned those promotions down.

2007-08-19 09:50:55
507.   Bumsrap
Maybe this perspective might revive our spirits. If the Dodgers were in first place with 40 games to go would anybody believe the Dodgers had a lock on the Division? I wouldn't feel comfortable with a 6 game lead at this point.
2007-08-19 09:54:09
508.   Bumsrap
505 Does Grady want to be 'traded' too?

Its not like Grady were under 25 years old.

2007-08-19 09:54:38
509.   jtrichey
476 484 Boy, you guys are touchy. I know we win some we lose some. In THIS particular loss, the combo of Furcal, Pierre, Kent, Saenz, and Gonzalez were extra bad. I mistakenly didn't count Hillenbrand because he didn't register in my min as a Dodger vet. But, yes, he is a veteran. Point still stands, when 5 players in your lineup go 1-27, it's not good whether they are rookies, or veterans. Better?
2007-08-19 09:56:54
510.   Bumsrap
509 - Already understood were you were coming from.
2007-08-19 10:00:31
511.   Bob Timmermann
I'm still touchy! I'm a powder keg of emotion ready to be set off by the slightest deviation from rhetorical perfection.
2007-08-19 10:07:07
512.   Jon Weisman
507 - That's been my feeling all along.
2007-08-19 10:09:28
513.   Louis in SF
Great comments. I think what frustrates me and perhaps others is the fact that the Dodgers will take a flyer on a aging vet, rather than risk some development cost at the major league level with a younger player. How much better can Meleon be in 2008, if he could have been around for 2 months rather than a one month call up in September?...In watching all of last night's game I almost saw it as a metaphor for the season. Kemp the rook hits a bomb for the lead-the good side of the prospects, Billingsly struggles, and we don't get any runs until the 7th with help from Colorado-the offense, Martin being Martin and keeping us in the game. And no Nomar magic this year! One game does not make a season
2007-08-19 10:10:22
514.   regfairfield
507 No, but that's because I've been trained to accept tragedy by this team.

One team has overcome this big of a deficit on August 18th in the last 10 years, no team has been as far back as 7.5 games and made it in the same timespan.

2007-08-19 10:24:02
515.   Marty
Braves just went up on the Dbacks. in the first. Take that Shimmin!
2007-08-19 10:33:02
516.   Bumsrap
Ned has the D-Backs and the Dodgers right where he wants them. He knows that the Diamondback youth will fold starting anyday now and his veterans on the Dodgers will keep them steady and calm right to the finish.

Ned knows that if he had a big lead the Dodgers would rest the veterans and they would get rusty for the playoffs. If the D-backs were trailing by 5 or more games the pressure would be off their kids and they might thrive down the stretch.

He has his plan and it is working.

2007-08-19 10:37:48
517.   CanuckDodger
506 -- Right now, I am really more upset about the Dodgers' treatment of Eric Hull than I am of their handling of Meloan. Meloan has pitched in 10 games in Triple A. Compare his stats with those of Hull's last 10 games for Vegas:


14.0 IP, 11 H's, 2 HR's, 6 BB's, 13 K's


12.1 IP, 6 H's, 0 ER's, 4 BB's, 20 K's

Hull has really been dominating in a very tough pitching environment, one that can be tougher than what a pitcher faces in the majors, as Eric Stults keeps proving. And unlike Meloan, Hull is on the 40-man roster. Hull is to Meloan as Stults is to Billingsley: the younger guys with the superior stuff likely have more promising MLB futures, but the older guys with more pitchability can do a good job right now if only given a chance.

2007-08-19 10:38:16
518.   Bob Timmermann
But will someone get Eric Byrnes to fold?

He's out of the lineup today, so his awe-inspiring talent (to Shimmin) is not being used now.

I think the NL wild card contenders will be sorted out after this week. The Phillies are playing the Dodgers and Padres and by next Sunday, one of those three teams should be out of contention.

2007-08-19 10:45:08
519.   berkowit28
From ItD:

Here's today's lineup:

Furcal, SS

Pierre, CF

Kemp, RF

Hillenbrand, 3B

Ethier, LF

Martin, C

Loney, 1B

Martinez, 2B

Penny, P

2007-08-19 10:46:34
520.   Bumsrap
Hull is the red flag Ned keeps waving that worries me about him as GM.
2007-08-19 10:49:39
521.   Marty
Why is Lieberthal on the team?
2007-08-19 10:50:12
522.   Curtis Lowe
Shea it aint so...
2007-08-19 10:50:21
523.   Bumsrap
I am enjoying Hillenbrand's play but just the same I would prefer to see He and Loney switch places in the hitting order today.
2007-08-19 10:52:52
524.   Bumsrap
I think Gonzo's best role with the Dodgers from here out would be as Loney's personal hitting coach.
2007-08-19 10:54:33
525.   Bumsrap
Although I have never caught before it feels good to know I could be the Dodgers third string catcher.
2007-08-19 10:56:22
526.   underdog
521 See my 480 above - I absolutely guarantee you Martin is starting because Penny needs to throw to him each time he goes out. They're a package deal at this point. Also, Martin is apparently protected by Kryptonite. Or from.

Too bad Kent gets the day off. I can't wait 'til Abreu's back.

2007-08-19 10:58:09
527.   Bob Timmermann
Tampa Bay has called up Joel Guzman from the minors.
2007-08-19 10:59:26
528.   Bob Timmermann
Joe Maddon says Guzman will see time at all four infield positions.
2007-08-19 10:59:45
529.   KG16
525 - I did catch for a year or two in little league, and always dreamed of being the Dodger catcher (unfortunately reality got in the way).

521, 526 - anyone see the article on Yogi Berra's back up in the Times a couple days ago? The guy basically played 15 games a year for the length of his career but won 6 world titles. Kind of like being Joe Montana's back up during most of the 80s. Or Tom Brady's now.

2007-08-19 11:04:45
530.   Bob Timmermann
That was Charlie Silvera. And back then, teams would carry a third catcher, so the Yankees had someone who usually played even less. It was Ralph Houk most of the time.

The Mets two catchers now are Mike DeFelice and Old Friend Sandy Alomar.

2007-08-19 11:07:28
531.   Bob Timmermann
When Yogi Berra managed the Yankees in 1964, he started Elston Howard behind the plate for 146 games.

And Howard was 35 years old then.

2007-08-19 11:09:22
532.   Bumsrap
Trivia question: Who was Lou Gerhig's and Cal Ripkin's backup?
2007-08-19 11:09:50
533.   twerp
517, others==IIRC, Hull had one bad outing as a Dodger.

It apparently was enough to land him in the doghouse and make Grady very leery.

This management team is much more likely to forgive a woofer of an outing in a proven veteran (see Hernandez--unfortunately). I think management more or less EXPECTS young players to fail; Grady talks about expecting inconsistency from them. To an extent, he's right.

But I prefer my inconsistency--if it must be--come from players with upside. Mediocre veterans on the downside usually can't be counted on for much except mediocrity--consistent mediocrity, but mediocrity nonetheless.

Mediocrity won't make up deficits.

2007-08-19 11:11:48
534.   Bumsrap
But Yogi doesn't know the difference between cash and money.
2007-08-19 11:14:31
535.   Bumsrap
And it was veterans that were thrown out at third and lost track of the number of outs while putting up less than exciting numbers.
2007-08-19 11:19:50
536.   Marty
It's turning ugly at ItD.
2007-08-19 11:21:29
537.   underdog
536 Just now? I think it's been that way for a while.

I wish people could just play nice!

2007-08-19 11:21:59
538.   Bob Timmermann
Turning ugly? You mean it was pleasant beforehand?
2007-08-19 11:23:44
539.   Bob Timmermann
Short Chris Young has stolen home today for Arizona, but the Braves lead 5-2.

It was a double steal.

2007-08-19 11:25:25
540.   regfairfield
536 ITD, and pretty much every thing related to is like open mike night on Dodger Talk.

Someone has a little cold streak, it's DFA time. Someone goes 6 for 12, best player ever.

Actually, that might not be a great example.

2007-08-19 11:28:22
541.   das411
Um. Freddy Sanchez batting third, Jason Bay hitting 6th.

Whatever you say, Jim Tracy...

(and J-Roll with his 23rd career Rickey, aka leadoff home run. He's more than 1/4 of the way to the record!!)

2007-08-19 11:32:02
542.   underdog
541 Good to have that perspective check for the next time someone says "fire Grady!" Just whip out the ol' "Memories of Jim Tracy" scrap album.
2007-08-19 11:32:15
543.   Bob Timmermann
Nobody here would ask to DFA any player rashly. Unlike Brett Tomko, Mark Hendrickson, Roberto Hernandez, Olmedo Saenz, or Shea Hillenbrand. Or anybody who has ever gone 0 for 2.
2007-08-19 11:35:51
544.   regfairfield
543 How dare you suggest I make that implication.

How dare you.

2007-08-19 11:39:52
545.   Bob Timmermann
And you're a moderate!
2007-08-19 11:41:35
546.   Gen3Blue
So today Kent doesn't play and is replaced at cleanup by Hillenbrand and second by Martinez; seems strange.
2007-08-19 11:48:32
547.   Andrew Shimmin
488 Depends which hook you mean. It gets him off your hook, near as I can tell. Doesn't make the game he threw any less crummy. A hook for everything, and everything on its hook, I always say.
2007-08-19 11:52:40
548.   regfairfield
545 I'm proud of myself, I don't think I've called for a single DFAing this year.
2007-08-19 12:08:33
549.   underdog
548 I've only had two - I guess that makes me a moderate. Saenz and Hernandez, and I stand by my dee eff ay!
2007-08-19 12:11:12
550.   Eric Enders
Does Hernandez even need to be DFAed to get rid of him? Didn't we sign him to a minor league contract and send him to Las Vegas first? Could he just be optioned back?
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2007-08-19 12:11:29
551.   Reddog
What are the chances Saenz and Kent will be back next year?

My guess on Saenz is 10%, on Kent, 40%.

2007-08-19 12:11:56
552.   Sam DC
You know, I think I had an easier time getting that shelf up than I've had opening the Transformers Nightlight/Flashlight that I bought to sit on the shelf.

The thing is strapped in with fishing line and packing tape as if it were going for a ride on the space shuttle.

And yes, I am bleeding again.

2007-08-19 12:16:16
553.   Eric Enders
I'd say the chances are Saenz 15%, Kent 97%.

People do not retire and give away $12 million. Not even curmudgeons like Kent.

2007-08-19 12:16:49
554.   regfairfield
551 I'd say 95% on Kent. Even if his option doesn't vest, there's nothing out there on the market, and I don't think Ned will start Tony Abreu there to begin 2008. (Which I personally think is a good thing.)
2007-08-19 12:21:55
555.   Eric Enders
Kent's option is going to vest unless he goes on the DL -- and even then, it still might.
2007-08-19 12:28:24
556.   Bob Timmermann
Regairfield has had his Thermidorian reaction!
2007-08-19 12:32:10
557.   regfairfield
556 Bob, you're a lot smarter than me, and you're going to need to explain that reference.
2007-08-19 12:53:58
558.   Bill Crain
From wikipedia, which I think was in fact written by Bob:

"The Thermidorian Reaction, Revolution of Thermidor, or simply Thermidor refers to the coup of 9 Thermidor (27 July 1794) in which Maximilien Robespierre was guillotined and the Reign of Terror ended."

2007-08-19 12:54:41
559.   Charenton
Et bienvenue from the land of Thermidor!
Thermidor was one of the months of the French Revolution(they tried to change everything - even the months of the year!)
There was a coup d'état during the month of Thermidor by moderate revolutionary elements in 1794 (or 1795)?) against the most radical elements of the French Revolution (Robespierre and company)-
So i would guess that Bob considers you to be a moderate, yet still a revolutionary !
So is Kent not starting in order to limit his at bats so that his option doesn't kick in?
Stranger things have happened this year…
Or maybe he just needs a rest after 14 innings last night…
2007-08-19 12:56:54
560.   Sam DC
Citoyens - Allons-y a la thread nouveaux!
2007-08-19 12:57:23
561.   Marty
I like lobster thermidor.
2007-08-19 13:04:14
562.   Charenton
Alors, pourquoi est -ce que Jon n'annonce pas le nouveau 'thread' lui -même ?
2007-08-19 13:09:31
563.   Sam DC
Je ne sais pas.

Mais, il est un peu "reckless."

And I realize it would have to be la thread "nouvelle," n'est ce past? (and I'm not sure how to spell that).

(high school was a long long time ago!)

2007-08-19 13:11:32
564.   Sam DC
562: Ah, or "le" thread nouveau. Bien.

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