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August 19 Game Chat
2007-08-19 12:31
by Jon Weisman

Today's game:


Retro Gameday

Comments (290)
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2007-08-19 12:47:40
1.   Eric Enders
LaRoche is still AWOL for Las Vegas. Interesting that today Abreu is starting at SS and Hu at 2B.
2007-08-19 12:47:45
2.   ToyCannon
I have a feeling Yankee fans are going to be chanting Jo Ba Jo Ba Jo Ba
for many years to come.
2007-08-19 12:55:24
3.   dzzrtRatt
Jo Ba? Is this a character from one of the lesser Star Wars movies?
2007-08-19 12:55:25
4.   King of the Hobos
Snakes have the bases loaded with 2 outs in the 9th, down 6-2. Hudson up to bat.
2007-08-19 12:59:37
5.   King of the Hobos
All over, the snakes lose 6-2. Now the Dodgers just need to somehow win.
2007-08-19 13:01:08
6.   Gen3Blue
1 That is very interesting, and I hope it is just for fun, because the only logical reason would be to show off Abrues value as a shortstop.

2 I'm afraid your right.

2007-08-19 13:08:25
7.   Eric Enders
So am I the only one who doesn't think much of this Penny-on-three-days'-rest business?
2007-08-19 13:08:26
8.   Kingmans Performance
after a 5 hour game last night Vin Scully is back on Prime Ticket today.
2007-08-19 13:10:37
9.   Bill Crain
Chin-lung Hu was starting at 2nd alongside Wilson Valdez last weekend in Vegas.

Is it possible that he's getting the chance to compete for Abreu's spot as Kent's heir apparent?

2007-08-19 13:12:34
10.   King of the Hobos
9 Probably only for 2008. Then he's Furcal's heir apparent.
2007-08-19 13:12:57
11.   Dodgers49
1. LaRoche is still AWOL for Las Vegas.

Yep. According to the 51's web site they didn't even remove him from the DL as they predicted would happen this weekend. So it doesn't appear that his rehab is going well.

2007-08-19 13:14:11
12.   Eric Enders
9 That's really only possible if the Dodgers have a Furcal extension in the works. This offseason would be a good time to extend him, since he might cme cheaper since his stats were artificially depressed due to injury.
2007-08-19 13:15:07
13.   Dodgers49
7. I suspect Tomko isn't all that excited about it either. :-)
2007-08-19 13:15:35
14.   Gen3Blue
9 I suppose it's possible. And it looks possible in a couple of years both of them could be our middle pair, which had been looking less likely until recently.
2007-08-19 13:16:24
15.   Bluebleeder87

You know I was just thinking about that as well & I really feel Furcal is gonna resign with the Dodgers he seems very happy here & it really looks like upper management likes him a great deal.

2007-08-19 13:20:08
16.   Bluebleeder87
(13 )

Tomko lost his pouting privileges a long time ago, specially here in L.A.

2007-08-19 13:20:40
17.   Gen3Blue
Wow I wouldn't want to look too close at that play at second!
2007-08-19 13:21:38
18.   Bluebleeder87
16 Part II

I will say he's had some solid starts for us of late though, but that's about it.

2007-08-19 13:23:35
19.   Indiana Jon
Another good day for Betemit.
2007-08-19 13:23:56
20.   Bob Timmermann
Santana went 8 innings with 17 K today against the Rangers.
2007-08-19 13:24:05
21.   Connector
Hi everybody
17 True, but it was a great defensive play by Furcal.
2007-08-19 13:24:13
22.   ToyCannon
Boom Boom, what a SS:)
2007-08-19 13:25:17
23.   ToyCannon
The stands look as empty as I ever seen them.
2007-08-19 13:25:32
24.   Connector
Furcal looks like he's favoring his left ankle, still.
2007-08-19 13:28:20
25.   Bluebleeder87
I don't know what our % is when we score first but from what I remember it's pretty good so hopefully it's a good sign.
2007-08-19 13:29:06
26.   Bob Timmermann
My dream inning would involve two walks, a sacrifice, a sacrifice fly, and then a pickoff.
2007-08-19 13:29:54
27.   Bob Timmermann
They've finally got a Dodger photo for Hillenbrand on Gameday.
2007-08-19 13:31:46
28.   Bluebleeder87
Look at the mom hogging the ice cream! :o)
2007-08-19 13:32:33
29.   Bill Crain
Bob's real name is Seymour Siwoff.
2007-08-19 13:36:29
30.   gpellamjr
I'm sorry, what is "Jo Ba Jo Ba Jo Ba"?
2007-08-19 13:36:39
31.   Bob Timmermann
Against the Rangers this year, Santana has two starts for 14 innings with 30 strikeouts and just 6 hits allowed.
2007-08-19 13:36:50
32.   Bluebleeder87
man, for 3 days rest Penny is throwing nice & hard at 94-96mph.
2007-08-19 13:37:18
33.   Bob Timmermann
Then I would be a grouchy old man who hates everyone with a computer.
2007-08-19 13:37:28
34.   Andrew Shimmin
2007-08-19 13:39:29
35.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
Johan Santana has a two-hitter and 17 Ks, has struck out the last 6 batters in a row, but still he must be taken out for the closer to "save" the win? How long before even the importance of a complete game no-hitter will not be trumped by the ironclad rule of the closer-as-savior?
2007-08-19 13:39:30
36.   Connector
36 pitches in 2 IP for Penny. Is that above his average? I hope he can get through at least six innings.
2007-08-19 13:39:41
37.   Bob Timmermann
The Bucs have rolled a 7 in the 7th against the Phillies and are ahead 7-4.
2007-08-19 13:40:26
38.   Bob Timmermann
I think Santana was taken out because he had thrown 112 pitches and it was 1-0 game.
2007-08-19 13:40:56
39.   Andrew Shimmin
Penny's average #P/IP this year is 15.3.
2007-08-19 13:41:18
40.   still bevens
37 Wouldnt that activate the crazy Morongo Casino radio promo they do if that happened in LA?
2007-08-19 13:45:15
41.   ucladodger
wow, what a terrible play by Helton. But hey, we'll take it!
2007-08-19 13:45:21
42.   Connector
39 Thx

I had a bad feeling when the catcher set up so far inside on the pitch that hit Martin. Just a little off aim would hit him, and that's what happened.

2007-08-19 13:45:41
43.   ucladodger
let Penny swing away, Grady.
2007-08-19 13:45:48
44.   JoeyP
Error by Helton.
That helps.
2007-08-19 13:47:03
45.   Bob Timmermann
In Boston Gagne is pitching the 9th with the Angels ahead 3-1
Anderson single
Matthews K
Kotchman infield single
Izturis K
2007-08-19 13:47:48
46.   Bluebleeder87
Furcal hits lefties very well.
2007-08-19 13:49:56
47.   Bob Timmermann
And Budde Ks to end the inning in Boston.
2007-08-19 13:51:10
48.   Bluebleeder87
I'll be pleasantly shocked if Eric Gagne ever wears Dodger Blue again.
2007-08-19 13:52:33
49.   MJW101
12 Based upon Furcal's history the last 2 years I am not sure an extension at $13M a year is worth it. If he can play a entire year injury free and produce decent offense then maybe. However, based upon our GM's past record Luis, Rafael, Martinez, Olemedo and Hillenbrand will get extensions.
2007-08-19 13:57:04
50.   Bluebleeder87

No way Gonzalez or RM2 (maybe RM2 but I doubt it) get extensions if they do Ned will lose some Cred in my book.

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2007-08-19 13:58:16
51.   regfairfield
49 Even injured Furcal has been a more valuable player than Ryan Howard this year thanks to his defense.
2007-08-19 14:00:48
52.   Andrew Shimmin
Just hit him.
2007-08-19 14:01:19
53.   Bluebleeder87
throw him an off speed pitch PENNY!!! & get it over with already!
2007-08-19 14:01:36
54.   still bevens
52 Thought crossed my mind as well.
2007-08-19 14:02:01
55.   Bluebleeder87
go slap Penny Martin, he's got tunnel vision right now!
2007-08-19 14:02:47
56.   KG16
This is absurd
2007-08-19 14:02:55
57.   MMSMikey
this is getting annoying
2007-08-19 14:02:59
58.   Andrew Shimmin
Hit him. Hit him. Hit him.
2007-08-19 14:03:18
59.   KG16
Matsui is looking for a pinch runner
2007-08-19 14:03:51
60.   Andrew Shimmin
If he'd just fouled off one more, the next pitch would have been a home run.
2007-08-19 14:04:22
61.   ucladodger
Kaz is gonna die after that. He basically ran 13 sprints to second base (although after 5 pitches or so, i dontt hink he was going full speed anymore).
2007-08-19 14:04:23
62.   Bob Timmermann
It was Cora-esque for Cory.
2007-08-19 14:07:19
63.   MMSMikey
i remember that. that was one of the highlights from the exciting 2004 season, cora 17 pitch at bat before homering. a great moment.
2007-08-19 14:08:15
64.   underdog
The irritating thing about all of Sullivan's timewasting there in that at bat is that, as Vin just pointed out, Kaz should have been called out on that pickoff. Then that would've been it. Ah well.

Nice drag line drive bunt hit by Slappy there.

2007-08-19 14:08:18
65.   Connector
60 Thanks to Vinny I now get your point!
2007-08-19 14:09:15
66.   Connector
The Dodgers have gotten the lead batter on base in every inning so far.
2007-08-19 14:10:57
67.   Andrew Shimmin
I don't think Hillenbrand likes D4P.
2007-08-19 14:11:02
68.   KG16
How many ways are there to hit into a double play?
2007-08-19 14:11:04
69.   Telemachos
Ooof. Thanks, Juan.
2007-08-19 14:11:24
70.   underdog
How about not swinging on that one Shea?
2007-08-19 14:12:19
71.   KG16
70 - or the first pitch that was in the dirt?
2007-08-19 14:14:49
72.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
38 So, if a low pitch count is now required to tie or break Clemens's record of 20 Ks in 9 IP, then that record becomes, de facto, unbeatable.
2007-08-19 14:16:39
73.   Gen3Blue
I would think a good baserunner could have been a little more aware. But once your commited to stealing third you have to keep your head down. Its funny, but since Pierre I am beginning to take a more jaundiced view of the stolen base, which I used to love. I think you have to have a very coordinated strategy and the right players to benefit from it. We really ran out of an inning there, where a couple of more of those innings would have done Francis in.
2007-08-19 14:17:01
74.   Bluebleeder87

how about not hitting into DP's Hillenbrand!

2007-08-19 14:19:00
75.   Bob Timmermann
With Guzman's callup today, the Rays have matched the Red Sox for today's high in Old Friends Used (OFU).

Both have used three.

Tampa Bay has used Navarro, Guzman, and Reyes.
Boston used Drew, Lugo, and Gagne.

2007-08-19 14:19:06
76.   Andrew Shimmin
Penny hit 97 on the gun, with that last throw.
2007-08-19 14:19:50
77.   Bob Timmermann
Or a bigger lead.
2007-08-19 14:20:27
78.   Telemachos
74 Whatever Shea's other issues, that double-play was not his fault.
2007-08-19 14:21:08
79.   MJW101
51 Hu can give us the same or better defense for $12,600,000 less.
2007-08-19 14:21:23
80.   Sam DC
JtD in at short at The Trop!!!!

Is this is first major league appearance?

2007-08-19 14:21:47
81.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
77 Does Nathan have a better chance of retiring the side in the 9th without surrendering the lead than Santana, who has just fanned 6 batters in a row?
2007-08-19 14:23:15
82.   Bob Timmermann
Wait, the Mets hit 3 on the OFU scale:
Green, Anderson, and Alomar.
2007-08-19 14:23:17
83.   KG16
I think too much weight is put on pitch count. It's one thing to pull a guy who has thrown 100 pitches after 5 IP (trying hard not to look at Billingsly), it's another thing entirely to pull a guy who has thrown 100 pitches after 7 IP when he's been shutting down the opposing team.

Dogmatic adherence to this 100 pitch limit is, I think, hurting a lot of teams because you are forced to use middle relievers who aren't quite as good. How many times have we seen a commanding performance by a starter squandered late in a close game?

2007-08-19 14:24:07
84.   Bluebleeder87

my biased views on him blind me from seeing it that way TM, uh oh bases juiced with no body out.

2007-08-19 14:24:24
85.   KG16
82 - LoDuca not playing?
2007-08-19 14:24:46
86.   Bob Timmermann
Santana did strike out the last 6 batters. He struck out 6 of 7. He gave up a double in there.

But I'm not Ron Gardenhire. Ask him!

2007-08-19 14:25:16
87.   Bob Timmermann
Lo Duca is on the DL.
2007-08-19 14:25:31
88.   Michael D
Looks like this short rest thing wasn't a good idea.
2007-08-19 14:26:06
89.   KG16
87 - shows how much I pay attention to teams not in the NL West...
2007-08-19 14:26:20
90.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
83 Hear, hear! I, for one, would have liked to see if Johan could have matched Clemens. It could have been a game for the ages.
2007-08-19 14:26:55
91.   KG16
Pierre saved a couple of runs
2007-08-19 14:27:27
92.   Bob Timmermann
Damned if you do.
Damned if you don't.
2007-08-19 14:27:28
93.   Bluebleeder87
nice heads up play by Furcal.
2007-08-19 14:27:39
94.   xaphor
Nice one Furcal
2007-08-19 14:27:43
95.   KG16
Rafy! Rafy! Rafy!
2007-08-19 14:28:57
96.   JoeyP
Furcal's got great range and the Rockies have some poooor base runners.
2007-08-19 14:29:33
97.   KG16
92 - my point is only that pitch count should be one of several variables to consider in pulling a starting pitcher. Plus, I miss the complete game.
2007-08-19 14:29:35
98.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
86 I'm not asking, I'm just saying. I stand corrected on the claim about the last 6 batters. I should have said his last 6 outs were Ks.
2007-08-19 14:29:55
99.   MC Safety
That was an amazing play by Raffy.
2007-08-19 14:30:09
100.   Bob Timmermann
Retrosheet doesn't have a pitch count for his first 20 K game, but in the second one he threw 151 pitches.

Randy Johnson threw 131 in his 20 K game.

Kerry Wood threw 122.

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2007-08-19 14:30:21
101.   Bluebleeder87
the Rox find it hard to win at the ravine.
2007-08-19 14:30:54
102.   JoeyP
Yorvit with a 3-0 green light swings at a slider low and away/in the dirt. That was ugly.
2007-08-19 14:34:11
103.   Eric Enders
Old friends Brady Clark and Brian Myrow are batting 3-4 for Portland against the 51s today. Myrow is batting .355 with a 1.035 OPS in 305 at bats.
2007-08-19 14:34:11
104.   MC Safety
80- He got like 12 Ab's for us last year. Dont remember but i think he had a few singles.
2007-08-19 14:35:08
105.   Connector
83 I agree. Koufax and Drysdale had greater than 100 pitch appearances on a regular basis.
2007-08-19 14:36:36
106.   Bob Timmermann
If you're holding up Drysdale and Koufax as models for making a pitcher's career last a long time, I suggest you take a look at their ages when they retired.
2007-08-19 14:37:53
107.   silverwidow
Joel Guzman just a hit a walk-off single in his first AB with the DRays.
2007-08-19 14:38:16
108.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
100 "in the second one he threw 151 pitches." That was nearly eleven years ago. Pity. Maybe he'd be good for another decade if his managers had only paid more attention back then to his pitch count.
2007-08-19 14:39:28
109.   Bluebleeder87

Nolan Ryan is the better poster boy for that.

2007-08-19 14:40:11
110.   immouch
i love russell martin. i even kinda like grady little and, maybe, ned colletti. but we need a decent backup catcher. martin starting today, after catching 14 innings last night, is a joke. and it's become more than a little tedious to hear from our announcers how his status in the lineup is somehow up to martin. it isn't. and he shouldn't be playing. i stand by that even if he has a great game... sorry to whack what i'm sure is a very dead, smelly horse.
2007-08-19 14:40:27
111.   Bluebleeder87
my 109 should refer to 106 actually.
2007-08-19 14:40:27
112.   KG16
106 - true, but then you have Nolan Ryan on the other end of the spectrum. Looking at his 1976 season on retrosheet, I'd say he threw quite a few 100+ pitch games.
2007-08-19 14:41:17
113.   Bob Timmermann
Joel Guzman was 4 for 19 for the Dodgers last year.
2007-08-19 14:42:41
114.   Andrew Shimmin
Lieberthal is a good backup catcher. He doesn't play enough for it to matter, but, still.
2007-08-19 14:42:45
115.   KG16
Speaking of Ryan, he struck out 19 batters in three different games in 1974. Pitch count? We don't need no stinkin' pitch count.
2007-08-19 14:43:12
116.   Bob Timmermann
So we're advocating high pitch counts for pitchers?

We want to bring back Tommy Lasorda and just let him run pitchers into the ground?

I'm getting confused.

Yes, some pitchers can throw a lot of pitches in a game. But they aren't many of them.

2007-08-19 14:43:26
117.   Sam DC
113: How quick we forget.

And by "we," I mean "I."

He must be really happy right now.

2007-08-19 14:44:33
118.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
Jeff Kent's career OPS vs. Jeff Francis: 1.063 in 18 PA. Too bad he had to play those extras last night -- he could have been useful in the lineup today.
2007-08-19 14:44:46
119.   Gen3Blue
Oh yeah Andre.
2007-08-19 14:45:23
120.   Sam DC
Dusty Baker's totally with the new program.
2007-08-19 14:45:57
121.   Connector
106 My point is different, though. The point I want to make is that I think the 100-pitch rule may be too hard-n-fast. I think you've got to look at it on a case-by-case, game by game basis.
That said, I realize baseball has changed a lot in general, and in pitching in particular since the '60s and '70s. There is greater specialization nowadays (i.e. middle reliever, set up men, closers, etc.) yet I think there's a need for flexibility depending, of course, upon the pitcher and the game.
2007-08-19 14:46:24
122.   KG16
116 - no not advocating high pitch counts, just a recognition that it is one of several factors to consider when going to the pen.
2007-08-19 14:47:50
123.   Andrew Shimmin
I would have had Penny hit Sullivan, this time too. But his way worked better.
2007-08-19 14:48:49
124.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
116 Don't be confused. I'm not advocating high pitch counts as a general rule. I'm saying that today's Twins/Rangers game was a special event, and historically, managers make exceptions for the sake of history. Koufax and Drysdale were over-worked in an era when pitchers were run into the ground. That doesn't mean Koufax should have been pulled, for example, after 8 innings in the game where he pitched a perfecto (a game which I in fact witnessed from the General Admission seats).
2007-08-19 14:50:27
125.   underdog
Penny is really living in a tree, as the expression goes. Some great defense has really bailed him out of jams so far. Be nice if the Dodgers could get an insurance run, or six.
2007-08-19 14:50:35
126.   Sam DC
121, 122: Well, OK, but you seem to be upset that Gardenhire didn't make just that sort of "taking everything into account" judgment here, when he well might have done just that. Unfortunately, we just don't know all the factors that might have lead him to make the move.
2007-08-19 14:52:40
127.   Connector
126 Excuse my ignorance, but who is Gardenhire?
2007-08-19 14:53:12
128.   underdog
Man, talk about homer-ish broadcasts, I watched a bit of the Broncos-Cowboys exhibition game on the NFL Network, which was a feed of the Cowboys' broadcast. On the first Cowboys' drive, they announced Dallas' offense lineup, but not the Denver defense (nor on the second), and on the Cowboys' first defensive series, they just announced the Dallas players, not Denver's offense. Not once. I was surprised when they acknowledged any of Denver's players during the first quarter.
2007-08-19 14:54:55
129.   Linkmeister
126 I happened to be driving back home while the ESPN radio people were interviewing Santana. He said they'd discussed him going out for the 9th but he was fine with Nathan coming in. Naturally he would say that, players knowing something about PR and getting along with fellow players and their bosses, but he genuinely sounded like he meant it.
2007-08-19 14:55:23
130.   Bluebleeder87
121 ,122

of course you have to factor in the recovery time which varies from pitcher to pitcher & I think some pitching coaches don't factor that in as much as one would like

2007-08-19 14:55:40
131.   Sam DC
127 He is the Twins manager.
2007-08-19 14:56:58
132.   Bumsrap
I have been meaning to ask, what does DT think about the Der Wienersnitzel (sp) ads showing the hot dog covered with something disgusting looking. I look away.
2007-08-19 14:57:02
133.   Bob Timmermann
Here is all the Twins starts (except today) by decreasing order of pitches in 2007:

2007-08-19 14:59:26
134.   Bumsrap
123 - Karma?
2007-08-19 15:00:31
135.   Bob Timmermann
Good thing some people here weren't coaching the Lubbock, Texas Little League team.

2007-08-19 15:01:46
136.   Connector
130 yes, this is true
2007-08-19 15:02:47
137.   Bluebleeder87
very nice inning by Beimel we need some insurance runs though.
2007-08-19 15:04:31
138.   Bob Timmermann
Anyone wish to guess who was managing the Red Sox when Clemens had his second 20-K game? The one with 151 pitches and then started Clemens on 3 days rest in his next time out.
2007-08-19 15:05:50
139.   Reddog
Next year we're still going to have Nomar, Kent and Pierre. So it will basically be the same mediocre team we have now. Right now I think its 50-50 whether we finish above .500 this year.

This year's team is average at best, and next year will likely be the same.

It depresses me to think about this - I was really optimistic after last season ended - with the promise of so many good young players in the pipeline.

2007-08-19 15:06:14
140.   Andrew Shimmin
134- I don't put much stock in karma. Vengeance, though, has a sunny spot in my heart.
2007-08-19 15:06:55
141.   Bob Timmermann
In the end, Clemens got an extra day before his next start in 1996.
2007-08-19 15:07:08
142.   KG16
133 - the Twins won 19 of 36 games where their starter threw at least 100 pitches, in the 17 losses, they averaged 1.8 runs scored and the starter failed to go more than 6 IP in 8 of those games.

Not entirely sure what it means, but interesting numbers nonetheless.

2007-08-19 15:08:08
143.   Andrew Shimmin
138- I looked it up. Very funny.
2007-08-19 15:10:52
144.   KG16
138 - I'm guessing either the current manager of the Dodgers or the current manager of the Twins.
2007-08-19 15:13:13
145.   Bluebleeder87
112 ,141

what do they feed them in the lone star state!?

2007-08-19 15:13:49
146.   Sam DC
That is funny.

He doesn't manage the Dodgers. But he wants too.

2007-08-19 15:14:48
147.   Bob Timmermann
A team like the Twins will win a good chunk of its games if the starter goes deep into the game because they have a good bullpen.

Also a lot of those 100+ pitch games are from Johan Santana.

2007-08-19 15:16:43
148.   Bluebleeder87
gonna be awake there Loney...
2007-08-19 15:17:03
149.   Andrew Shimmin
James Loney is slower than a woolly mammoth in a tar pit.
2007-08-19 15:18:59
150.   ucladodger
what is James doing? He's not going anywhere, why even take a lead close to that big?
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2007-08-19 15:19:33
151.   KG16
147 - sorry Bob, I'm a bit confused. If a pitcher goes deep into the game, there is less need for the bullpen. I would think that a team with a good bullpen would not need their starters to go deep. Example: if the Dodger starters could average 7 innings per start, the Dodger would only need Broxton and Saito (hopefully) and this would make the bullpen look much better. Conversely, the Red Sox (at least in theory) have a couple of guys that could allow their starters to average 5 or 6 innings pitched and still be in good position.
2007-08-19 15:20:45
152.   Bluebleeder87
Torrealba gave me the hibbie jibbies with that swing....
2007-08-19 15:22:32
153.   Bob Timmermann
How many teams have more than 2 relievers whom you can trust with the game on the line?

The Twins have Neshek and Nathan and then some guys who are OK. Just like the Dodgers have Broxton and Saito.

And isn't better to not have to use six pitchers every game?

2007-08-19 15:22:59
154.   Andrew Shimmin
I hope the story about the man naming his kid after Yorvit Torrealba is true. If there's a woman willing to let her child be called that, I still have hope for finding one willing to let me call our child Hee-Seop.
2007-08-19 15:23:12
155.   Icaros

Connor Jackson is a bum.

2007-08-19 15:25:18
156.   Daniel Zappala
our child

The one you are going to give to me?

2007-08-19 15:25:41
157.   Andrew Shimmin
155- My centerfielder has 24 homeruns. And my left fielder could murder your left fielder in his sleep. And he just might!
2007-08-19 15:26:11
158.   Andrew Shimmin
156- If by give you mean sell, then yes. That's the one.
2007-08-19 15:26:13
159.   xaphor
Hee-Seop Zappala has a nice ring to it.
2007-08-19 15:26:36
160.   KG16
agreed on the six pitchers point. Just when I read your comment, the logic seemed a little circular. But I get what you are saying.

So it appears that what we need is some way to balance pitches thrown and innings pitched. 100 pitches in 5 innings bad, 100 pitches in 7 or 8 not bad.

2007-08-19 15:28:23
161.   Icaros

If you're talking about the left fielder I'm thinking of, he has my blessing.

2007-08-19 15:28:34
162.   underdog
That was weird, it looked Olmedo Saenz got a basehit. Is there something wrong with my MLBTV?
2007-08-19 15:29:27
163.   Andrew Shimmin
And now, to ruin Bob's guessing game, the manager who tried to Lasorda-tize Roger Clemens was. . . Kevin Kennedy!
2007-08-19 15:29:40
164.   Icaros

You're getting last year's feed.

2007-08-19 15:31:17
165.   Bob Timmermann
When a Twins starter goes at least 7 and throws 100 or more pitches, the team has gone 9-6.

If the Twins starter throws 100 or more pitches and goes fewer than 7 innings, the team is 15-15.

Which probably proves nothing.

2007-08-19 15:32:34
166.   Andrew Shimmin
Tulowitzki looked like a lolcat on that play.
2007-08-19 15:33:06
167.   ucladodger
man, Kemp should have hit that 500 feet. He knows it, too.
2007-08-19 15:33:56
168.   underdog
Yeah, that was definitely a pitch to hit far. Darn that Bison!

164 Ah, that explains it. I thought he looked trimmer.

2007-08-19 15:35:05
169.   Bob Timmermann
AP story:

Santana struck out six of the last seven batters he faced, including a 93 mph fastball he threw past Jarrod Saltalamacchia on his 112th -- and final -- pitch. He tipped his cap to the crowd as he reached the dugout.

"I felt good, but at the same time we knew in that game situation that Nathan will be the right guy to go back out there," Santana said. "He's one of the closers in the game and I trust him, just like I trust all my teammates."

2007-08-19 15:35:51
170.   Bob Timmermann
Short your stock in Nationwide.

Just a tip.

2007-08-19 15:36:24
171.   ucladodger

I also like that Kemp isnt afraid to show how upset he is when he misses a pitch. He was really PO's at himself for missing that. I just like seeing that passion.

2007-08-19 15:36:56
172.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
138 Jeannie Zelasko?
2007-08-19 15:40:32
173.   Sam DC
Proctor v. Helton.

Big Moment!!

2007-08-19 15:41:39
174.   Andrew Shimmin
I know somebody who started a new job at Countrywide last week. Whatever happens, it'll probably be a step up from her last one.
2007-08-19 15:43:10
175.   ucladodger
that trade worked out well for today
2007-08-19 15:43:34
176.   Frip
OK, now we got ourselves a ballgame!
2007-08-19 15:44:02
177.   MMSMikey
on a day when betemit has 4 RBI's, good job, scott.
2007-08-19 15:44:07
178.   underdog
I blame Vinnie. He jinxed that whole inning by talking a lot about the Rockies' power hitters having a power shortage vs. the Dodgers, and lo! There it goes. Thanks Vin. Thanks Scott, too. Thank you everyone!
2007-08-19 15:44:08
179.   Bob Timmermann
Yes, I guess it was.
2007-08-19 15:44:12
180.   natepurcell
way to suck.
2007-08-19 15:44:16
181.   Bluebleeder87
2007-08-19 15:44:23
182.   Sam DC
173: Ends badly.
2007-08-19 15:45:17
183.   Bob Timmermann
Ramon Ortiz in line for his win as a Rockie!

Or is it as a Rocky?

2007-08-19 15:45:58
184.   Bluebleeder87
Vinnie has bin pinping the wild card (I still had hopes for the NL West) but he's making a believer out of me now.
2007-08-19 15:46:25
185.   underdog
Jeez Louise, Ethier just saved Proctor's hide.

Well, two innings to score a run or two. Can they muster up the strength? Is Kent available to pinch hit? At least Saenz is out of the way.

2007-08-19 15:47:45
186.   Frip
You have to admit, the homerun did put some spark back into this long slow Sunday. I was nearly asleep.
2007-08-19 15:49:09
187.   ToyCannon
Better you sleep and we win then you get startled awake and we lose.
2007-08-19 15:50:42
188.   Bluebleeder87
Proctors only companion in the dugout are his thoughts.
2007-08-19 15:52:57
189.   JoeyP
184--What are you a believer in?
2007-08-19 15:53:00
190.   underdog
It'd be nice for Martin and/or Loney to remind us as to why we love them so much, this inning.
2007-08-19 15:54:19
191.   Bluebleeder87
2007-08-19 15:54:35
192.   underdog
2007-08-19 15:55:23
193.   underdog
I really thought Martin had hit that ball a lot better than he did, dunno if the wind caught it or I just misjudged it or what. But a hit's a hit.
2007-08-19 15:55:35
194.   ToyCannon
That were only playing for the WC.
2007-08-19 15:55:36
195.   MMSMikey
if theres on person i want up in the situation, its lucille II
2007-08-19 15:56:22
196.   ucladodger

i was with you on that one. He just hit the ball off of the end of the bat, which is hard to tell for anyone but the hitter.

2007-08-19 15:56:38
197.   MMSMikey
2007-08-19 15:56:41
198.   Bob Timmermann
You want the Dodgers to bat out of order?
2007-08-19 15:56:46
199.   Bluebleeder87

I still believe we can win the NL West (one can dream) but as Vinnie has pointed out our only shot might be the Wild Card.

2007-08-19 15:56:56
200.   Sam DC
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2007-08-19 15:57:39
201.   Sam DC
In the (very fine) movie Dave, the character actor who plays the evil Chief of Staff looks a lot like Robert Moses.
2007-08-19 15:58:18
202.   Daniel Zappala
Why bat Kent for Loney when you could bat Kent for Martinez next?
2007-08-19 15:58:58
203.   Sam DC
Don't you want Kent ready to bat for Martinez?

He's next!!

And there's only 1 out.

2007-08-19 15:59:24
204.   regfairfield
This is...odd.
2007-08-19 15:59:41
205.   nofatmike
202 Because Martinez is a veteran, duh.
2007-08-19 15:59:48
206.   Curtis Lowe
Odd or dumb?
2007-08-19 16:00:22
207.   KG16
206 - six of one, half dozen of the other...
2007-08-19 16:00:34
208.   regfairfield
206 I'll see if Martinez hits for himself, then tell you the answer.
2007-08-19 16:01:13
209.   Bluebleeder87
Bases Juiced, for Mark Sweeney.
2007-08-19 16:02:30
210.   Bluebleeder87
I mean for RM2...
2007-08-19 16:02:35
211.   KG16
ok, this is one of those moments when lighting needs to find the inside of a bottle.
2007-08-19 16:03:08
212.   jones2929
I had never heard the phrase "Dutch Uncle" until Vin just used it for the Colorado pitching coach there.
2007-08-19 16:03:25
213.   Bluebleeder87
RM2 comes true!!!
2007-08-19 16:03:26
214.   KG16
that'll do, that'll do nicely.
2007-08-19 16:03:29
215.   regfairfield
Dumb it is.
2007-08-19 16:03:33
216.   Andrew Shimmin
Lucille II is the clutchiest of them all!
2007-08-19 16:04:11
217.   gpellamjr
208 Who would PH for Martinez? If you take Loney out because he's a lefty, you still have to PH for Martinez with a lefty. That move made no sense whatsoever.

I'm fuming now. I'm losing faith in Little.

Of course now I'm happy, but I'm still fuming. This will just validate Grady's stupid move.

2007-08-19 16:04:19
218.   xaphor
Little, misunderstood genius or lucky nincompoop.
2007-08-19 16:04:32
219.   Curtis Lowe
Odd or just the outside of the box kinda move this offense needs!


2007-08-19 16:05:05
220.   regfairfield
217 Sweeney?
2007-08-19 16:05:35
221.   Connector
I'm glad for Ramon Martinez. That was a huge at bat.
2007-08-19 16:06:18
222.   gpellamjr
220 Yes, you could put Sweeney in there, but still it wouldn't make the move smart. You would still have taken out Loney, who is a better hitter than Sweeney. The order there should have been Loney, Kent, Sweeney.
2007-08-19 16:06:23
223.   regfairfield
Oh wait, Affeldt's a lefty, forget that.
2007-08-19 16:06:54
224.   Andrew Shimmin
If I don't see that same double play again for a little while, it'd be alright.
2007-08-19 16:08:50
225.   gpellamjr
That move made me so mad I feel like biting my tongue off. And now I look like I don't want the Dodgers to win.

Just a bad bad move.

2007-08-19 16:09:15
226.   Bob Timmermann
The English liked to use "Dutch" in a derogatory sense. Like "Dutch cap."
2007-08-19 16:09:26
227.   KG16
Question: why do all of the Japanese pitchers seem to have a pause (if not two) in their wind ups? I remember Nomo doing it, and Ishii had a little of one, and now I just noticed that Saito does it too. What's the logic?
2007-08-19 16:09:29
228.   underdog
I would've left Loney in there, then PH Kent for Martinez, and then Sweeney, where he was. But whetever, it worked out. Let's all be happy, rather than armchair managering (for at least a few moments). And best of all...

We get to see Sammy!

Hopefully we get to see him smile, too. I don't like frowning Saito as much.

2007-08-19 16:09:46
229.   gpellamjr
Tulowitzki looks a like Carlos Quentin in his batting stance. Did he have the same stance last year?
2007-08-19 16:10:46
230.   gpellamjr
Saito is awesome.
2007-08-19 16:11:10
231.   Bluebleeder87
Saito makes quick work of the 1st 2 Rox hitters.
2007-08-19 16:11:30
232.   MMSMikey
vinny is so calming.

"so for a while we will focus on the wild card"

wow saito is impressive.

2007-08-19 16:12:09
233.   Frip
I think we should save Saito for night games so it's more dramatic.
2007-08-19 16:12:42
234.   still bevens
Charlie Steiner is bringing it on the radio. His overzealous fly ball calls make you forget when his enthusiasm works well for him in other situations.
2007-08-19 16:12:45
235.   Bob Timmermann
At this point, George Peppard lights up the cigar and says "I love it when plan starts coming together."
2007-08-19 16:12:51
236.   Bluebleeder87
Saito strikes out the side.
2007-08-19 16:13:09
237.   Curtis Lowe
2007-08-19 16:13:18
238.   Andrew Shimmin
Saito got hosed on the 2-2. But gets him 3-2, anyway. Hooray!
2007-08-19 16:13:20
239.   MMSMikey
nothing like a backwards K to end a game.
2007-08-19 16:13:24
240.   natepurcell
that was strike 3! fooled everyone!
2007-08-19 16:13:30
241.   gpellamjr
Saito isn't just awesome, he is the Platonic form of Awesome.

to einai awesome

2007-08-19 16:13:58
242.   natepurcell

Rockies just got sizzled.

2007-08-19 16:14:01
243.   Gen3Blue
Ahh-- that Saito smile.
2007-08-19 16:14:29
244.   Bluebleeder87
steady as he goes, is Saito, YES!
2007-08-19 16:14:33
245.   underdog
I don't know how that 2-2 pitched missed, but it doesn't matter now! Sammy K's the side!

A series win! Huzzah! {throw confetti}

2007-08-19 16:14:45
246.   Daniel Zappala
Dodgers win. That makes 4 in a row in a streak that will reach 10. I don't count yesterday's game since it ended in a tie when I went to bed.
2007-08-19 16:15:42
247.   underdog
241 Mancrush awesome?


And Frip can take a nap now, it's safe!

2007-08-19 16:16:48
248.   underdog
246 Well if that's how it works you better watch all of the next 6 games or we'll blame you.
2007-08-19 16:17:20
249.   Bob Timmermann
It would have been funnier if I had the line right.

Then again, maybe not.

2007-08-19 16:17:21
250.   underdog
Okay, I have a stupid night soccer game to get ready for so I'll say farewell for now.
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2007-08-19 16:17:25
251.   bhsportsguy
Boy it was hot out there. I actually started not to feel to good so I left during the 6th inning, got home to see the teams trade two run 8th innings and then saw Saito K out the side.

So for the week, I was 3-1 and now I am 11-12 for the season.

BTW - Each game I went to had an announced tickets sold of 48K+, I seriously doubt that there were more than 35K in the park for each of those games, though Monday and Wednesday were some nice crowds, today, no more than 30,000 in the park.

2007-08-19 16:17:27
252.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
Has anyone else found that the audio on is ahead of the video? Vinnie was telling me about Saito's sliders before I could see the pitch leave his hand. Not that I'm complaining. I greatly enjoyed both the watching and the listening of that half-inning.
2007-08-19 16:18:02
253.   Connector
246 LOL Are you a statistician by profession?
2007-08-19 16:19:17
254.   Frip
I wish we could sleep as soundly as dogs. I just stuck my finger in my dog's mouth, twirled it around a bit, and he didn't so much as twitch an eyelid.
2007-08-19 16:19:59
255.   bhsportsguy
247 I was watching the David Duchoveny episode of the Larry Sanders show this morning, so I may have some questions for you later about your mancrush.
2007-08-19 16:23:20
256.   Bluebleeder87

That's pretty funny (I think?) but why would you do that?

2007-08-19 16:28:31
257.   Daniel Zappala
253 Not a statistician, but I do use statistics a lot.
2007-08-19 16:29:30
258.   Bob Timmermann
Can't let it lie, can you?
2007-08-19 16:32:10
259.   Bob Timmermann
Grady Little had said that Roberto Hernandez was unavailable for today's game.
2007-08-19 16:40:06
260.   NorCal-Dodger
Refrain from posting and we secret Karma for success...big road trip ahead.
2007-08-19 16:41:38
261.   Bluebleeder87
man it's gonna be a tough road trip for us, while Zonas games on paper look very winnable. We still play 6 more games against them so I can't wait for that.
2007-08-19 16:43:21
262.   Bluebleeder87
261 part II

of course we play them very well at there stadium so it should be very interesting.

2007-08-19 16:47:24
263.   Eric Enders
It's too bad Penny didn't get the win; every little counting stat helps in his quest for the Cy Young Award.

I would actually be in favor of a rule that says relief pitchers couldn't get vultured wins. If you enter in a tie game and your team goes ahead, fine, you get the win. But if you enter with your team in the lead, then blow the lead, and then your team goes ahead again, the win reverts back to the previous pitcher of record (in this case the starter).

2007-08-19 16:48:10
264.   Eric Enders
259 Well, that's a start. I'm just going to assume he forgot to add, "and all future games."
2007-08-19 16:52:48
265.   Suffering Bruin
From an ESPN summary. Apologies if this was already posted.

• Hero: Wilson Betemit, who started at shortstop for Derek Jeter -- who got the day off. Betemit drove in four runs and broke the game open with a bases-loaded double in the eighth.

Posted without comment.

2007-08-19 17:00:10
267.   underdog
Man, not a single Dodger play from today made ESPN's Web Gems on Baseball Tonight just now. There were literally three candidates that could have made the list, but they had to squeeze in a couple of Red Sox moments.
2007-08-19 17:04:11
268.   Louis in SF

I like part of your idea regarding vultured wins, but feel rather than reverting to the pitcher who was leading at the time-I think the win should either go to Saito, he had to protect it and would not get a save, or it goes to the discretion of the offical scorer. Similiar to win a pitcher leaves before 5 innings and the scorer decides who gets the win.

2007-08-19 17:09:52
269.   Reddog
Proctor stinks. Colletti made a trade he shouldn't have - we could use Wilson on this team.
2007-08-19 17:13:43
270.   Dodgers49
Meloan in today for Las Vegas:

Las Vegas
Pinango 3.2 6 3 3 3 3 0 4.31
Meloan 2.1 1 0 0 1 2 0 2.20
Fussell 2.0 0 0 0 2 2 0 4.45

Also Ruan flied out for Abreu in the 6th. Young is 4 for 5.

2007-08-19 17:16:29
271.   underdog
Reddog, my fellow canine, lots of people here probably agree with you to certain extent, but just outta curiosity, do you ever say anything, y'know, positive here? We should take you for walks more often. ;-)
2007-08-19 17:18:07
272.   underdog
(Btw, I think Proctor stunk against one batter today, but overall don't think he stinks at all - in fact I think he stabilizes our bullpen. That doesn't mean I don't miss the heck out of Betemit though - I wish he was still around, too.)
2007-08-19 17:18:57
273.   NorCal-Dodger
269 How can you say that..Proctor got the 'W'..but won't go into details about that.
2007-08-19 17:26:24
274.   Dodgers49
Tony Jackson is upset because Matt Kemp swung at the first pitch after Pierre had just walked in the 7th. However, I thought Kemp got his pitch and should have gone after it. He just missed it. That ball should have landed in the upper section of the left field pavilion. It's unlikely Kemp would have gotten a better pitch to hit than that one. I want him to swing at that kind of pitch (of course, it would be even better if he actually hit it out :-) ). I see no reason to have your power guy automatically take a fat pitch.
2007-08-19 17:28:48
275.   Eric Enders
I would have been upset had Kemp not swung at that pitch. It was a meatball.
2007-08-19 17:36:28
276.   Reddog

I will try and look on the bright side more often. After all, we did come from behind today and win a critical game, and we're well within reach of the wild card. In fact, if we can put together a 10 game winning streak, we can still win the division. We need to get the clutch hits, like Martinez did today. Kudos also to Furcal's defense, which probably saved the game.

And we have a lot to look forward to. Colletti has resisted trading our top prospects, and two or three years from now we may have a very exciting young team.

2007-08-19 17:39:32
277.   underdog
Woof, Red. Well said. Thanks. I just know that you definitely didn't like the Betemit trade ;-)

And I do look forward to seeing more of those prospects coming in, too. (Hopefully they won't be blocked by too many veterans ;-))

Peace. Here's to enjoying day off tomorrow - for fans as well as players.

2007-08-19 17:41:50
278.   Sam DC
1938 Robin Hood is on right now. I love mocies from the 30s, when every location was shot in the San Fernando Valley.

I swear the riding through Coldwater Canyon right now.

2007-08-19 17:42:57
279.   Dodgers49
For Las Vegas, Meloan picked up his second win and Hull got the save:

Las Vegas
Pinango 3.2 6 3 3 3 3 0 4.31
Meloan (W, 2-0) 2.1 1 0 0 1 2 0 2.20
Fussell (H, 2) 2.1 1 0 0 3 2 0 4.41
Hull (S, 11) 0.2 0 0 0 0 0 0 2.73

2007-08-19 17:58:15
280.   Bluebleeder87

Meloans line, to much theatrics we should bring him up already [looking at calender] 2 more weeks baby 2 more weeks.

2007-08-19 18:06:08
281.   Bluebleeder87
You know what though, it also means we're running out of time we desperately need to get on a hot streak.
2007-08-19 18:21:26
282.   Bob Timmermann
Time for me to bid adieu to the Rialto Theater.
2007-08-19 18:36:51
283.   MJW101
Martinez saved Proctor's bacon.
2007-08-19 18:42:23
284.   twerp
A bit late catching up, but..

165 "When a Twins starter goes at least 7 and throws 100 or more pitches, the team has gone 9-6.

"If the Twins starter throws 100 or more pitches and goes fewer than 7 innings, the team is 15-15.

"Which probably proves nothing."

Prove, no. But 9-6 is a .600 winning percentage, which will win a lot of titles. A piddling 15-15 isn't going to win anything. Maybe there's some correlation.

2007-08-19 19:09:04
285.   Sam DC
282 D'oh!
2007-08-19 19:29:17
286.   Jon Weisman
278 - Speaking of which, sort of, new post at Screen Jam.
2007-08-19 20:02:17
287.   Greg Brock
Going to PETCO today made me pine for a new stadium.

Those glorious Concourses! So wide!
And food everywhere! And the restaurant up top! Magnificent!

But the Padres won, so that stunk.

2007-08-19 20:26:49
288.   ucladodger

I'm guessing tony jackson has never played baseball before. Basically, after walking Pierre, Ortiz was going to throw a strike. He threw a "get me over" slider and Kemp knew it. He put a good swing on the ball, but just missed it. It happens. Give him that pitch 10 times in that circumstance, and im guessing he gets on 7-8 times with 5 homers. As a hitter, often times the first pitch you guess a spot and a type of pitch. If you get your pitch, you hack. I dont mind first pitch swinging, i actually applaud it in certain circumstances, but what does get on my nerves is when Nomar or someone else swings at a first pitch that has fooled him or is not in the spot he is looking for. If you guess right first pitch, you cant really ask for anything better, and you for sure wont see a better pitch the entire AB.

2007-08-19 20:29:38
289.   Gen3Blue
The D's won in the late innings!
2007-08-19 20:32:25
290.   Jon Weisman
2007-08-19 22:12:15
291.   Yu-Hsing Chen
And the two kids that Yankees called up after they traded Proctor.... 3IP 0H 0BB 5K, 5K in a roll in fact, Joba Chamerberlian poped up Sheffield for the first out and then struck out Ordonez and Guillen, then Edwar Rameriez struck out the side in the bottom of the 8th.

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