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Face Time
2007-08-22 08:05
by Jon Weisman

Who is the face of the Dodgers? That's the question has been asking, and if you click this link and hunt around a bit, you can find my answer. Update: This link will take you to the Dodger page directly.

* * *

Dodger first baseman Wes Parker made the all-time Rawlings Gold Glove Team, according to The Associated Press.

Update: Wes Parker communicates his gratitude to Inside the Dodgers:

This award wraps up my career in the most beautiful way possible. I did not expect it. I had a shorter career than the other honorees, have been retired the longest (one year longer than Willie Mays) and was not sure fans would remember me after 35 years away from the game. Also, I am the only one of the nine who is not, or will not soon be, in the Hall of Fame, so am thrilled to have won.

I took great pride in my fielding. The first base position, I think, has been slighted over the years by players thinking they have only to catch throws and dig balls from the dirt to play it well. Nothing could be further from the truth. Dedicated first basemen charge bunts, range to their left and right for grounders, dive for balls, run all over the place for pop-ups and use their arms aggressively. They take risks, go after everything and defend their ground with pride and determination. And in doing all this they expand the position from one of passivity and conservatism to one of action, excitement, daring, beauty and grace.

I was lucky to have been born with good eyesight, quick reactions and a younger brother, Lyn, who for ten years smashed ground balls at me in our front yard. We were just two kids doing what we loved but that period between the ages of eight and 17 clinched for me the respect I have always felt for good defensive play and tried to exhibit during my nine-year career with the Dodgers. ...

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2007-08-22 08:33:43
1.   Daniel Zappala
Jon, did they let you choose anyone or did it have to be from their list of player or from someone with an active role on the current team? That is, could it have been Tommy Lasorda or Jackie Robinson?
2007-08-22 08:37:07
2.   dzzrtRatt
The fact is that there is no obvious choice (other than Vin) is an indication that, despite many appearances to the contrary, 2007 is a rebuilding year. The Dodgers should look at winning the division the same way Tampa Bay looks at finishing .500 -- a nice unexpected bonus for fans, but not the point of the season.

It could be Martin, but I hope a year or two from now he has competition from Billingsley, Loney, Kemp, LaRoche, Broxton, Stults or Meloan.

For this year, I would have voted for Saito. Literally, the smiling "face" we see in almost every win.

2007-08-22 08:38:59
3.   Jon Weisman
I could choose anyone. It was just my feeling that it should be an active member.
2007-08-22 08:40:40
4.   Sam DC
Good quote from Joel Hanrhahan last night: "It's not fun starting out behind 1-0 after your first pitch."

He had another rookie-type outing, a bit rockier than his last. Went 5 innings, gave up 3 runs, ran lots of counts full, threw about 645 pitches, but worked out of a lot of jams and showed some good stuff. I'd say unless he really truly implodes (or gets hurt), he'll be in the Nationals rotation the rest of the year.

Sadly, he struck out twice dropping his season OPS to 1.111. :(

2007-08-22 08:44:13
5.   Bob Timmermann
Fine, pick Russell Martin! See if I care!

(crumples up photo of Jack Fimple and tosses it in the crash)

2007-08-22 08:44:21
6.   LAT
Tommy Lasorda. Sorry Daniel, I would vote for Chris Farly's Tommy Boy before Lasorda. He is the reason we have Ned and had two years of huge turmoil. Notwithstanding 1988, for my money, Tommy's involvment has been a net loss.
2007-08-22 08:48:16
7.   underdog
5 Hey, I crumpled up Fimple's picture and trashed it in disappointment first!


As I posted at end of prev. thread, I got serious deja vu from the Tomko quotes this morning. Yes, he's got great stuff. Why is it such a surprise that he still stinks? Great stuff doesn't translate into consistent command, putting the pitches in the right place, or into having emotional control.

2007-08-22 08:52:22
8.   Daniel Zappala
6 I didn't say I would have voted for him either, it was just an innocent question!

When you see the poll on the ESPN site and it lists Nomar, Grady Little, Martin, Penny, and Scully, you get the sense they were looking for someone from this year's team. If you were conducting a poll that takes into account the past, and includes those who had a major impact and were the "face" of the organization to the public, Tommy Lasorda has to be near the top of that list.

2007-08-22 08:52:28
9.   LAT
Ratt, does anyone at 1000 Elysian Park Ave think this is a rebuilding year? Not sure any other team in history has spent $108M on a rebuilding season. I hope you are right I just have my doubts that term "rebuilding" even exists in Ned's lexicon.
2007-08-22 08:52:47
10.   underdog
So Lieberthal may not start either of the next 2 games in Philly; sounds like he's slated to start Sunday night's game in NY, according to (Barring a rainout today forcing a doubleheader tomorrow.)

Andy LaRoche should be back for Vegas in one of the next games this week.

2007-08-22 08:53:29
11.   Daniel Zappala
If you were interested in Alfredo Silverio, see the end of the previous thread.
2007-08-22 08:54:33
12.   Penarol1916
6. I wouldn't call Tommy a net loss, but I would certainly not make him the face of the Dodgers at this time. First of all, there are all of the mistakes of the '90's in terms of player personel. Secondly, the fact that he is the consensus choice of the people commenting on the Dodger section of the discussion thread of, makes more against the selection, especially when you read the justifications. Thirdly, he is just no longer really relevant to what the Dodgers put on the field and the ballpark experience, and hasn't been for a long time.
2007-08-22 08:56:06
13.   Daniel Zappala
For a long time, Tommy Lasorda was the face of the organization. Just not any more.
2007-08-22 08:57:05
14.   LAT
8. Sorry. I know you didn't say you would vote Tommy, I just bristle at the notion that Tommy's involvment in the team has been overall positive.
2007-08-22 08:59:22
15.   Disabled List
The "featured article" on the front page of Wikipedia today might be of some passing interest to DT readers.
2007-08-22 09:00:34
16.   Greg Brock
I'm sayin' Don Stanhouse was robbed.
2007-08-22 09:01:17
17.   LogikReader
To the poster who brought up rebuilding, why does management, whether it be the Dodgers or Lakers, undervalue the intelligence of its fans? Do they think the fans are so dumb they will decide to stop going to games forever just because they don't have a big name or show a continuous attempt to get all the marbles every year? Instead you wind up with decades of mediocrity. It's somewhat disconcerting to see this perceived lack of foresight from fans who go to the game.
2007-08-22 09:01:50
18.   Daniel Zappala
14 But during the time he was their manager, I loved Tommy Lasorda. I may have been in my youth, when I didn't know anything about stats or pitch counts, but I knew I liked Tommy. This was partly because he was Italian and I had a fairly strong Italian heritage growing up, but also because the Dodgers were doing well and he was always in the center of it. To my young eye, he represented the Dodgers.
2007-08-22 09:05:52
19.   scareduck
No need to hunt around, Jon. Here's a direct link:

2007-08-22 09:07:22
20.   LogikReader
Just to set the record: I too would put Vin as the face of the Dodgers. The difference with having Vin vs. Russell Martin is that Vin transcends sports, so even people who don't watch baseball know about him.
2007-08-22 09:09:19
21.   scareduck
12 - I agree. Lasorda has been a nonentity for a long time now, being the man shoved, in Japanese practice, into the meaningless corner office for deeds accomplished long ago. That he has a number of other creepy faults (his son's death in particular and his subsequent public nonreaction to it) has really soured me on him.
2007-08-22 09:09:35
22.   LAT
It is ironic that the Nats who have been around for 3 years have a near consensus choice in Ryan Zimmerman but the Dodgers have their announcer. Not that Vin isn't the greatest but shouldn't the face be someone on the field. It signifies just how much turnover or disappointment there has been in the last few years. The only person we had to market as the face was Nomar and his performance pretty much made that impossible.

BTW, the fact that the Mets choice appears to be Reyes as opposed to Wright is surprising. I would have gone with Wright hands down.

2007-08-22 09:11:50
23.   Gen3Blue
When people were speculating the last few day, I had a hunch it would be Martin. Jon you couldn't have made a better pick in my opinion, though Vin would also suit just fine.
2007-08-22 09:18:44
24.   LAT
18. I get that. I really do. I'd be lying if I said my daughters fascination with Shawn Green didn't have anything to do with his being Jewish. But I just think Tommy was in the right place at the right time for a few years. Apart from that, he is famous for being loud, telling stories, famous swearing triads, his rat infested restaurant in the Marina, his phony weight lass program and oh yeah, completely destabilizing management for the last few years
2007-08-22 09:22:15
25.   regfairfield
22 I think a big part of that is that they're last in the "longest tenured player category" and the two guys that qualify are Brazoban and Saenz. When you get to actual impact players, Penny has been here the longest followed by Lowe and Saenz, and there certainly hasn't been any sort of effort to push these guys as the face of the franchise.
2007-08-22 09:26:59
26.   BlueCrew Bruin
Tommy makes my top 5 just for his Bavacqua rant alone. :)
2007-08-22 09:28:25
27.   LogikReader

I agree with that. Back in 2004 or so, pre-trade, the consensus pick would be Paul LoDuca, if leaving out broadcasters.

By the way, I've always wondered what the DodgerThoughts reaction was to that trade when it happened. I won't have time to delve into the archives, anyone got a summary?

2007-08-22 09:29:13
28.   Penarol1916
I thought that the Rawlings Gold Glove team was pretty good, outside of 2nd base. Just a complete travesty. The best option came in last place, the second best option wasn't even on the ballot, and then on the ESPN sportnation poll asking who was snubbed for not even appearing on the ballot, the second best wasn't even an option there.
2007-08-22 09:31:04
29.   regfairfield
The Reds now think that Joey Votto is a quadruple A player apparently? Would anyone be interested in him?
2007-08-22 09:31:46
30.   regfairfield
25 should have said Lowe and Kent, by the way.
2007-08-22 09:37:42
31.   ToyCannon
Sometimes it is not about the intelligence of the fans but the cost. Can the Lakers say they are rebuilding while still charging 100.00 a ticket? It is easy for the TV viewing public or the casual ticket fan to get behind a rebuilding program but it is not so easy for the season ticket holder who is the backbone of most organizations. Any real rebuilding program would involve a 3 year plan, so why would the season ticket holder fork over their money for 3 seasons while they rebuilt the team? Thus they never use the word rebuilding, it is reloading which gives the connotation that while they may be down this year they will come back loaded for action the following season.
2007-08-22 09:43:54
32.   ToyCannon
Unless you have news that they resigned Hatteberg to a deal I don't think they have given up on Votto at all. They brought up Cantu because they want to see what they have and if he'll be worth keeping around. Unless I'm just reading this wrong Votto will be the 1st baseman next year. In less then two years the Reds will have added Philips, Hamilton, Votto, and Bruce to a lineup that already had Griffy, Dunn, and a young Encarnacion. With Baily and Cueto to go along with Arroyo and Harang I'd be excited if I was a Reds fan.
2007-08-22 09:44:31
33.   El Lay Dave
3 Jon, you mentioned that you submitted this back in June, so maybe your memory is fuzzy, or did they change the rules on you? On the page ESPN writes this (emphasis mine):

"'s SportsNation has convened a panel of 64 experts -- writers, bloggers, and a former player -- to give their picks for which current player, manager, owner, or mascot is the "face" of each of baseball's 30 franchises."

Kudos for a good choice; Vin was the easy way out.

At this point, would Lasorda qualify as a "mascot" of sorts?

2007-08-22 09:46:00
34.   Im So Blue
Found this interview with Takashi Saito on AOL yesterday. Not your typical interview questions...

If you ordered a pizza to the bullpen, what chance would anybody have of getting a slice after Jon Broxton got at it?


And congrats to Wes Parker! He was my favorite player.

We'd listen to the game with Vin & Jerry on KFI. After the post-game show, Dave Hull, the Hullabalooer, would come on the radio, and Wes would stop by to visit with Dave after the game. In between records, they'd chat about the game, and tell "groaners" that were sent in by listeners.

2007-08-22 09:47:11
35.   regfairfield
32 It's a quote I saw from one of their beat writers on BTF, but I can't dind the source.
2007-08-22 09:48:32
36.   ToyCannon
Morgan was no slouch with the glove but he isn't a top 5 candidate. It is hard to believe that Maz is not number one. He wouldn't have sniffed the HOF if not for his glove.

Any current players that might knock someone off the at list? Orlando Hudson is dynamite with the glove.

2007-08-22 09:49:02
37.   jtrichey
24 Very hard on Tommy Lasorda around here. FOrget his GM time. He brought up tons of young players, probably more than any manager in the last 50 years. He won 6 divisions in a 12 year span, when it was a 6 team division. His blowhard nature got the headlines, but he was a fine manager. He wasn't any harder on pitchers than most others his age. I don't get the Tommy derision
2007-08-22 09:52:44
38.   ToyCannon
Nice find. Very political correct answers.
2007-08-22 09:54:07
39.   regfairfield
36 I think Jim Edmonds might deserve a bit more of a look. He's probably not one of the best all time, but he certainly deserves it over Griffey who has been terrible defensively since he went to Cincinnati.

Also, Scott Rolen has the same rate2 as Ozzie Smith, who BPs system ranks as by far the greatest defender of all time. Rolen still needs to go through a decline phase, so it probably won't last, but I'm pretty sure that they just handed the thing to Brooks Robinson without giving it a second thought.

2007-08-22 09:55:44
40.   Daniel Zappala
24 Apart from that, he is famous for being loud, telling stories ...

I really think you're missing it. Tommy is famous for bleeding Dodger blue. He loves the Dodgers and he's always telling everyone about it. That's what made him the face of the organization in the 70s and 80s.

2007-08-22 10:02:13
41.   Daniel Zappala
34 I love the Japanese style:

DH: What formal samurai training do you have?
TS: You probably know, but carrying a real sword in Japan is illegal.

Actually, the questioner probably didn't know it was illegal, but you would never embarrass someone, even just a reporter.

2007-08-22 10:03:26
42.   Jon Weisman
33 - Sorry, Dave - what are you asking me exactly?
2007-08-22 10:06:19
43.   silverwidow
Regarding the roster crunch discussion from the last thread, another guy to purge from the 40-man is Tim Hamulack.
2007-08-22 10:07:43
44.   Sam DC
43 But then I wouldn't get to chortle in my mind in Jon's old joke about the guy making a sandwich, and he's got bread, and mustard, and swiss cheese, and lettuce and tomato . . . .
2007-08-22 10:08:18
45.   ToyCannon
I expect there is a large difference in opinions about Tommy from those who were here when he took over for Alston and those who've only seen the front office Tommy, and weren't there when he molded the kids of 74.
If I didn't start following the Dodgers until 1983 I would think of Tommy as a Dodger caricature of a Blue Santa Claus with a mean streak.

Later we may have found out he was mean spirited compared to his public persona but that shouldn't lessen what he did as a manager from 74-78.

2007-08-22 10:10:42
46.   Jon Weisman
Really nice words from Wes Parker - see update above.
2007-08-22 10:11:29
47.   Jon Weisman
44 - Was that me?
2007-08-22 10:13:15
48.   Penarol1916
36. Morgan may deserve top 5 at Second Base, but he can't touch Maz, and I'd put Frank White above anyone besides Maz that was on that list.
2007-08-22 10:13:32
49.   regfairfield
Just to angry up the blood this morning, Jeter finished second to Smith in the voting.
2007-08-22 10:15:46
50.   ToyCannon
Yeah, Frank White was awesome. I at least saw him play, Maz only at the end but I always liked him because of his WS home run even though I was 10 before I was even aware it happened 6 years before.
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2007-08-22 10:16:09
51.   Jon Weisman
Percentage of runs scored via the home run: Dodgers are 28th in baseball. Angels are 30th. But the Angels have score 79 more runs.

2007-08-22 10:16:31
52.   Sam DC
47: Hmmmm . . . I guess I'm not really sure though I remembered it that way . . . it's your site, you get credit for all the funny things that show up here, right?
2007-08-22 10:16:48
53.   ToyCannon
I guess Mark Belanger blew off his wings when he saw that.
2007-08-22 10:16:59
54.   Jon Weisman
New post at Screen Jam.
2007-08-22 10:17:19
55.   Jon Weisman
52 - It might have been me ... I can't remember now.
2007-08-22 10:17:55
56.   ToyCannon
Helps when your speed guys (Figgy, Willits) actually get on base.
2007-08-22 10:18:11
57.   Penarol1916
50. My dad had season tickets to the Royals in '84, I have a little soft spot for those guys now, even though I was rooting against them in the '85 series.
2007-08-22 10:19:03
58.   bhsportsguy
45 He was a coach from 74-76, taking over (if you don't count a handful games in 1976), in 1977. And when you hear Garvey, Cey and Russell talk about their early years, its Alston who they talk about, Tommy was their guy in the minors and the ones that they achieved a lot of their success but Alston did set their foundation and of course managed them to their first pennant in 1974.

Interesting that someone said Tommy brought up tons of kids, he did begin to replace them in the early '80s, usually a year at a time, and while Fernando and Sax and Hershiser and Guerrero were good if not great players, and he won in 1983, 1985 and 1988, those teams were very different than his first group, primarily because free agency was now entrenched in the game.

After Tommy won his second title, two things happened, the farm system aside from a few players, went kaput and Fred Claire began to bring in veteran players to fill holes.

That combo did not produce the success of Tommy's first decade as manager and while the names were impressive, the team began to look up at the Braves and Giants.

Tommy will always be a face of the Dodgers to many who live outside of LA as well as to those of us whose team was that 1974-1981 Dodgers like me, but when I think of the Dodgers today, I don't picture Tommy as the face of the team anymore.

2007-08-22 10:21:53
59.   ToyCannon
Since his huge slump in May Figgy has been an OB machine.
June - 496
July - 417
Aug - 411
2007-08-22 10:22:36
60.   Greg Brock
One of the big knocks on Los Angeles is that it's a "fake" town. It's pretty silly, but that's what it is. Tommy fits that perfectly.


2007-08-22 10:22:51
61.   ToyCannon
They were my favorite AL team in 80's because of the battles with the Yankee's.
2007-08-22 10:24:55
62.   ToyCannon
Yeah, thanks for fixing my brain cramp. I had it fixated that he started in 74 and didn't look it up.
2007-08-22 10:30:00
63.   Daniel Zappala
I loved the Royals as a kid because of George Brett, Willie Wilson, and especially Dan Quisenberry.
2007-08-22 10:30:41
64.   delias man
Reds face of the franchise is pretty funny
2007-08-22 10:31:15
65.   Bob Timmermann
Is Wes Parker the greatest Claremont Men's College alum to ever play major league ball?
2007-08-22 10:34:52
66.   ToyCannon
That is great stuff.
2007-08-22 10:39:45
67.   Jon Weisman
65 - More importantly, is he the greatest Harvard High School alum?

2007-08-22 10:39:46
68.   scooplew

To clear the roster,
Cut Hendrickson, Tomko and
Names that end in "z"

2007-08-22 10:40:16
69.   Ken Noe
58 Growing up in Virginia in those years, the face of the team to me was GarveyLopesRussellCey (expressed in one syllable). Lasorda emerged as "the face" because no one significant stuck around all that long after those guys. Piazza came closest. Right now, I agree with Martin, although if you wanted to be negative, one of our all-but-washed-up ex-Giants works just as well.
2007-08-22 10:41:17
70.   Penarol1916
63. I like Danny Jackson until he went to the Reds, but Steve Balboni was my favorite, outside of Frank White.
2007-08-22 10:44:33
71.   Jon Weisman
19 - Belated thanks.
2007-08-22 10:44:35
72.   ToyCannon
It was all George Brett for me and the endless supply of good starting pitching.
2007-08-22 10:55:06
73.   Bob Timmermann
I would have to go with Bob Scanlan.
2007-08-22 11:11:57
74.   Sam DC
No love for Damon Buford?
2007-08-22 11:13:50
75.   LogikReader

Rudy Seanez too?

2007-08-22 11:16:06
76.   fanerman
2007-08-22 11:17:29
77.   Im So Blue
More on Wes:
From USA Today: "I'm out of my mind with joy," Parker says.

From a Press Release:
Parker...will be recognized for the honor at Dodger Stadium on August 29.

2007-08-22 11:20:00
78.   Greg Brock
68 Even Stultz?


2007-08-22 11:20:32
79.   Bob Timmermann
You can, but you can't hide....
2007-08-22 11:24:11
80.   Jon Weisman
74 - I forgot about Damon. His older brother Daryl was in my class - I believe he was the one who trounced me in the race for eighth-grade president - but he later went to high school elsewhere.

And oldest brother Don, Jr. played at Stanford before transfering to a little local school. Look at him now:

2007-08-22 11:24:16
81.   regfairfield
For all those of you want to seemingly DFA the entire bench, who do you plan on replacing these guys with? Who in the Dodger organization can do what Ramon Martinez does that you can safely stash on the bench most of the time?
2007-08-22 11:28:23
82.   Eric Enders
81 Tony Abreu.

I like how Tony Jackson's gamer this morning was basically a clarion call for the promotion of James McDonald. If even the mainstream media is climbing on board this bandwagon, perhaps it actually has a chance of happening.

All aboard!

2007-08-22 11:28:51
83.   ToyCannon
Next year Abreu or Hu should be able to handle the utility role of Ramon.
Ask us a harder question.
2007-08-22 11:29:56
84.   fanerman
Wow I initially didn't realize the Dodgers had so many players with last names ending in "Z". I just thought of Seanez and Saenz.
2007-08-22 11:31:22
85.   regfairfield
83 So this is for next year then?

Even so, I think Abreu still needs a lot of work and should be playing every day for Vegas until he advances his plate discipline beyond Shea Hillenbrand levels.

2007-08-22 11:31:24
86.   Bob Timmermann
Don Buford, Sr. played for an LA City High School baseball champion, a College World Series champion, and a World Series champion.

And he got into a Rose Bowl to boot.

2007-08-22 11:31:31
87.   LogikReader
Killer B's, G-Men, meet the "Z-Squad"
2007-08-22 11:31:46
88.   Greg Brock
81 That was an easier question to answer before the trade deadline.
2007-08-22 11:32:44
89.   ToyCannon
From High A to Shea in a single season for a guy BA listed as our 8th best RHP prospect and didn't make their top 30.

I don't think I've ever seen such a climb before from a prospect not on anyone's radar. Canuck had him ranked 15th, but from 15th to Shea would still be an amazing climb.

2007-08-22 11:34:23
90.   ToyCannon
Yeah but he can't play the middle infield:)
2007-08-22 11:37:27
91.   Eric Enders
89 Yeah, it's pretty amazing. It's a lot easier for a pitcher than a hitter, because there's a lot less to learn -- they either have the pitches or they don't. Although, Matt Kemp did go from "not on anyone's radar" to major league sensation in roughly one calendar year (June 2005 to June '06).
2007-08-22 11:49:48
92.   dzzrtRatt
9 The Dodgers have always had a problem with the rebuilding thing. I think McCourt said it during our meeting with him...or in some other venue...that (in his opinion) the fans won't tolerate it.

Hence, in 2007 (and to some degree 2006), the Dodgers have been conbuilding. Retending. Promoting a Billingsley, bringing in a Schmidt. Hey, if they've got the money...

It's a bad strategy if all you're doing is bringing in costly free agents like Claire and Malone tried to do while neglecting the farm system. But focusing on the farm system doesn't necessarily preclude bringing in free agents.

Look at the Yankees. All of a sudden, they're playing better and getting major contributions from Cano, Hughes, Chamberlain, Cabrera, Betemit. They were on the verge of looking old and bloated just a few weeks ago, it seems, but they've managed to retool while in flight. There is no reason the Dodgers can't do the same or better, if our GM stops hiring wastes of space like Tomko.

2007-08-22 11:50:59
93.   Daniel Zappala
Just as long as no one is getting rid of people whose last names start with z.
2007-08-22 11:53:21
94.   Daniel Zappala
All right, now this is just plain weird. Someone broke into a local taxidermist's office and stole $40,000 worth of skins, heads, and antlers.
2007-08-22 11:54:25
95.   Bob Timmermann
Hey, that moose head came with my apartment!
2007-08-22 11:54:48
96.   Eric Enders
Name the three L.A. Dodgers whose last names started with Z. They're all fairly well known players. No cheating.
2007-08-22 11:55:22
97.   Eric Enders
Did I say three? I meant four.

All four are guys you should remember.

2007-08-22 11:56:58
98.   Jon Weisman
96 - Eric Ztults.
2007-08-22 11:57:08
99.   Sam DC
Steve Zax?

Stubborn guy, that zax.

2007-08-22 11:57:56
100.   regfairfield
96 Zimmer, Zeile...dang.
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2007-08-22 11:58:12
101.   bhsportsguy
Last night, I also came up with a list of 24 players who are locks to be on the 40 man roster at the end of this November.
Pitchers (13):
Beimel, Billingsley, Brazoban, Broxton, Hendrickson, Kuo, Lowe, Miller, Penny, Proctor, Saito, Schmidt, Stults
Catchers (1):
Infielders (5):
Abreu, Furcal, Garciaparra, LaRoche, Loney
Outfielders (5):
Ethier, Kemp, Pierre, Repko, Young

MLB Free Agents (11):
Hernandez, Seanez, Tomko, Wolf, Lieberthal, Hillebrand, Kent, Martinez, Saenz, Sweeney, Gonzalez

To be determined (6):
Hammes, Hamulack, Houlton, Hull, Megrew, Tsao

I can see Wolf maybe going for hometown discount 1 year deal again and it will be up to Kent to decide what he wants to do regardless of whether he hits his plate appearance incentive.

As was discussed in another thread, McDonald, Hu, Orenduff, Xavier Paul, Ramon Troncoso and Wesley Wright are the players that should be added to the 40 man roster before the Rule V draft.

2007-08-22 11:58:52
102.   LogikReader
Todd Zeile
2007-08-22 11:59:18
103.   Daniel Zappala
I know one is Don Zimmer.
2007-08-22 11:59:50
104.   Sam DC
Carlos Zeta-Jones?
2007-08-22 12:00:07
105.   LogikReader
Don Zimmer
2007-08-22 12:00:21
106.   Eric Enders
101 Kent, barring a season-ending injury in the next week or so, will not become a free agent and is going to have to be on the 40-man.
2007-08-22 12:01:27
107.   Greg Brock
Zinedine Zedane?
2007-08-22 12:02:05
108.   Bob Timmermann
Pat Zachry.
2007-08-22 12:03:04
109.   Eric Enders
Of the two remaining players, one was NL Rookie of the Year with another team, while the other was a Dodger farm product who ended up winning 18 games one year for the Angels.
2007-08-22 12:03:55
110.   Daniel Zappala
There's gotta be a Zimmerman there somewhere.
2007-08-22 12:04:32
111.   bhsportsguy
92 To be fair, Melky has played well and Cano has swung the bat better for the last few months but if Bobby hadn't stopped the Booby catcalls, Matsui finally came back from his injury and three guys named A-Rod, Jeter, and Posada, the Yankees would not be challenging for a playoff spot.

Chamberlain has pitched 7 innings, Hughes is just now back from his injury and yes, Wilson has played well but I think he had a much bigger impact last year on the Dodgers than this year with the Yankees.

2007-08-22 12:04:35
112.   Bob Timmermann
Zachry was co-Rookie of the Year with Butch Metzger wasn't he
2007-08-22 12:04:42
113.   Daniel Zappala
Oops, Eddie Zimmerman, but played for Brooklyn.
2007-08-22 12:04:43
114.   Sam DC
According to his gameday photo, Reed Johnson's chin is being eaten by a marmot.
2007-08-22 12:05:50
115.   dzzrtRatt
I don't know the answer, but it puts me in mind of Vin Scully's weird allusion to some old joke when he says the name of the city where the Reds play: Zinzinatti!
2007-08-22 12:05:57
116.   Bob Timmermann
Geoff Zahn.
2007-08-22 12:05:58
117.   Jon Weisman
No one said Zahnny yet?
2007-08-22 12:05:59
118.   Sam DC
Zaphod Beeblebrox?
2007-08-22 12:06:18
119.   Jon Weisman
2007-08-22 12:06:28
120.   dzzrtRatt
Oops, I should say Zinzinnati!
2007-08-22 12:07:54
121.   dzzrtRatt
111 All true. But my point is, rebuilding doesn't have to equal three years of overcooked broccoli, unless you're in a low-budget market.
2007-08-22 12:09:08
122.   Eric Enders
101 Also, I think Meloan is a certainty to be called up unless the Dodgers go on a 10-game losing streak between now and Sept. 1. So he would have to be added to the 40-man roster even though service-time wise, he wouldn't need to be.
2007-08-22 12:09:39
123.   Bob Timmermann
"Vas Your Ever in Zinzinnati" was a line attributed to recent German immigrants. It was the title of a book about the city.

The Oktoberfest in Cincinnati is called Oktoberfest-Zinzinnati.

At least Vin doesn't ask if people drink Huedepohl Beer in Zinzinnati.

2007-08-22 12:10:45
124.   ToyCannon
I always liked Zahn because he got us Burt Hooten, or at least that is how I remember it. I hadn't heard about him in years until the Randy Wolf story and I saw he was the Pepperdine baseball coach.

I remember Zachary as being important for for the Dodgers but I can't remember why. I'll have to check out retrosheet to see if it will ring a bell.

2007-08-22 12:11:57
125.   Dark Horse
First names or last names, besides?

Zoilo Versalles--somehow I'd count that as a 'Z'--was a Dodger for a year or two, wasn't he?

2007-08-22 12:13:59
126.   caseybarker
How many with FIRST names that begin with Z?

Zoilo Versalles, ?...

2007-08-22 12:14:17
127.   caseybarker
2007-08-22 12:14:20
128.   underdog
Zapp Brannigan?

Gosh, this is harder than it should be. Without cheating, at least.

2007-08-22 12:16:14
129.   underdog
Wait, have we named the Z's yet? I feel like the answers have already been given here. Zeile, Pat Zachry... Is this LA or both Brooklyn and LA?
2007-08-22 12:16:15
130.   bhsportsguy
122 That's true, I was only looking at a service time issue.

Next year, just from my memory, Elbert, Dewitt and Meloan would have to be added to the 40 man roster.

BTW, next year could see the Dodgers have half of their 40 man roster comprised of players from their system. I am not counting Ethier and Brazoban in that count.

2007-08-22 12:18:04
131.   Eric Enders
Zoilo is the only L.A. Dodger ever whose first name began with Z. There were a couple of others in Brooklyn including one who was relatively famous.
2007-08-22 12:18:33
132.   das411
Surprised there have been no George Zipp sightings here yet...
2007-08-22 12:19:03
133.   ToyCannon
Man, did La Roche pick the wrong time to get hurt. Sounds like Nomar isn't even close to coming back.
2007-08-22 12:19:14
134.   underdog
They need to call up Zachary Hammes then.
2007-08-22 12:19:36
135.   ToyCannon
Zach Wheat
2007-08-22 12:20:44
136.   Eric Enders
129 They were all named eventually. Zimmer, Zeile, Zahn, Zachry. And Zoilo, if you want to count him.
2007-08-22 12:22:43
137.   Greg Brock
132 I don't know where I'll be, Doc. But I probably won't smell too good.
2007-08-22 12:24:42
138.   underdog
Ah. Good.

Now about those Dodgers players with last names starting in "Q"... Brooklyn and LA, there are only two. (Hey, that rhymes.)

2007-08-22 12:25:12
139.   Eric Enders
As was noted upthread, the Reds Face of the Franchise pick is awesome:

"The face of the Reds franchise in 2007 is without a doubt utility infielder Juan Castro. He sucks. And the Reds have sucked for a long time. There is little redeeming about Castro as a player, just as there is little redeeming about a Reds franchise that seems adrift these days, with no clear plan of how to pull themselves out of the mess that has been the past seven years."

2007-08-22 12:26:59
140.   Eric Enders
138 Jack Quinn and... ?
2007-08-22 12:27:49
141.   caseybarker
Hong Chi Quo...
2007-08-22 12:30:49
142.   Bob Timmermann
I believe Jack Quinn pitched for the Dodgers.

He pitched for a lot of teams. For a long time.

2007-08-22 12:32:01
143.   Daniel Zappala
Zapp Brannigan?

What'd he do to the rest of his name?

2007-08-22 12:32:01
144.   old dodger fan
Paul Quantrill
2007-08-22 12:33:38
145.   Bob Timmermann
If you're name starts with a Q and you pitch for the Dodgers, you will pitch for a long time.
2007-08-22 12:33:52
146.   Eric Enders
I forgot about Paul Quantrill. But at least I beat Bob in reaching back for the obscure old guy. That's all that really matters.
2007-08-22 12:35:06
147.   JoeyP
81--Another reason to put Abreu as the utility player is bc at some point: You have to let guys that can help at the big league level, do it. Not just have them 'develop' in the minors forever.

If all Abreu can be is a bench player on the Dodgers since they have Jeff Kent, then thats fine. Thats his role.

At no time should the bench be a place to stash crappy veterans.

Every single player on the 25 man roster should be a good player ideally. Playing time will figure itself out.

2007-08-22 12:36:03
148.   regfairfield
140 Quantrill.
2007-08-22 12:36:56
149.   Benjamin Miracord
34 In between records, they'd chat about the game, and tell "groaners" that were sent in by listeners.

I thought I was the last person alive (other than Wes and Dave) who still remembers the "groaners."

If Boog Powell was one of the Alou brothers, would he be "Boogaloo"?

If Brooks had no money, would Brooks rob his son?

Goaltender Gordie Howe lost a bet to Bobby Hull and had to buy him dinner. Gordie suggested that Bobby bring along his young son. So, seated around the dinner table, we had the father, the son, and the goalie host.

2007-08-22 12:40:56
150.   Daniel Zappala
If you're name

Ugh. Commenter's name removed to avoid embarrassment.

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2007-08-22 12:41:03
151.   JoeyP
Ideal Dodger 25-man:

Kemp, Ethier, Young, Paul, Gonzalez

Abreu, LaRoche, Kent, Loney, Martin, Furcal, Hu

C: Martin, Lieberthal

Penny, Lowe, Billingsley, McDonald, Orenduff

Meloan, Broxton, Saito, Beimel, Hendrickson, Hull

I'm not a big believer in having guys 'develop' at the AAA level, nor am a I believer in penny pinching on service time issues since the Dodgers have a huge payroll.

Guys to dump:
Nomar, Pierre, Saenz, Lucille, Hendrickson, Tomko, Hillenbrand, Seanez

2007-08-22 12:41:20
152.   Bob Timmermann
The big moment for Zachry that I remember was on August 13, 1983 in Atlanta. He came in to a 6-6 game with the bases loaded an none out after Dave Stewart had loaded the bases.

He came in to face Dale Murphy, who fouled out. Then came Bob Horner, who struck out. Zachry then got Gerald Perry to ground out.

The Dodgers took the lead 7-6 in the 9th only to see Steve Howe blow it when he gave up a 2-run walkoff homer to Bob Watson. The loss appeared to be a crusher for the Dodgers faint pennant hopes and the Braves fans were going nuts.

The Braves increased their lead over the Dodgers to 6 1/2 games with that win.

After that day, the Dodgers went 28-20 to win the division while the Braves stumbled home at 17-28.

2007-08-22 12:41:43
153.   JoeyP
Ooops, I cloned Martin in the above.
2007-08-22 12:43:59
154.   Eric Enders
153 If you could do it in real life, we'd be in business.
2007-08-22 12:50:06
155.   trainwreck
Why don't we call Martin "The Franchise".
2007-08-22 12:50:44
156.   old dodger fan
I am surprised to see so many ready to dump Seanez. He's no All-Star but in August he has 10 appearances, 12 1/3 IP, 9 hits, 1 ER; 4 BB's and 13 K's. He makes 700k.
2007-08-22 12:52:13
157.   LogikReader
I say we call him: Russell "the Face" Martin
2007-08-22 12:52:42
158.   King of the Hobos
153 You forgot Sweeney, who could take clone Martin's spot, as he's a pretty good PH, or you could dump him. Either way works for me.

And you also listed Hendrickson twice. Once as a member of the bullpen, and once as a dumped player.

2007-08-22 12:54:43
159.   natepurcell
Penny, Lowe, Billingsley, McDonald, Orenduff

I honestly don't understand your fascination with Orenduff.

2007-08-22 12:54:55
160.   Xeifrank
Interesting post on The Numbers Guy's blog today concerning the high success rate of stolen bases this year. The author of this blog also writes for the WSJ. Link is SFW.

vr, Xei

2007-08-22 12:57:15
161.   trainwreck
He went to college, therefore JoeyP has always been a big fan.
2007-08-22 12:58:22
162.   natepurcell

but he is tomko-like against left handed batters.

2007-08-22 12:59:41
163.   bhsportsguy
161 Darn it, I was just going to say that.

Two quick UCLA notes, Christian Ramirez was practicing with the 3rd string offense today at RB. Pat Cowan will be out for several weeks so if MBT plays at Stanford, you better hope its a blowout or just to kneel down for a victory.

2007-08-22 13:00:38
164.   bhsportsguy
162 once again, known suckiness vs. potential not suckiness.
2007-08-22 13:01:27
165.   natepurcell
in hindsight, how would everyone redo the top 7 of the 2006 mlb draft?
2007-08-22 13:01:44
166.   ToyCannon
Someday Ketchner and Orenduff will pitch against each other and JoeyP will explode with delight.
2007-08-22 13:02:32
167.   underdog
Quantrill and Quinn (Brooklyn), those are the answers, yep.

Now, if you can name all the guys whose last name started with "X"...

Okay, that's an easy one.

2007-08-22 13:02:54
168.   natepurcell

But there is documented known suckiness from a lower level. Until he can get over that hump against left handed batters and develop a pitch to neutralize them, he shouldn't really be a rotation candidate.

2007-08-22 13:02:59
169.   trainwreck

Were you at practice? If so, how did Ramirez look?

2007-08-22 13:03:11
170.   regfairfield
162 Not this year at least, he's been pretty equally unispiring from both sides.

If he can get the flyballs under control, he'll be a good pitcher. If he doesn't he'll go to Vegas next year, put up a six ERA, and get removed from any plans the Dodgers may have for him.

2007-08-22 13:04:11
171.   tethier
151 I like the roster. I didn't see that you had Hendy twice until 158 pointed it out. I thought it interesting that you had Hendrickson as a bullpen guy given the relative pounding he takes on this blog.

I was thinking last night that he may really be a capable bullpen guy as he was working out of Tomko's bases loaded no out mess. I just looked up his splits this year and his ERA is 2.70 with a strikeout per inning as a reliever. He also did well at the tail-end of last year coming out of the bullpen. It is getting to the point where it may be more than just a small sample size.

I also like that there is no bona fide backup first baseman. I suppose Kent would be it and there are a couple others who could certainly do it in a pinch - someone like Young.

2007-08-22 13:04:15
172.   natepurcell

royals- lincecum
rockies- miller
drays- chamberlain
pirates- longoria
mariners- kershaw
tigers- hochevar
dodgers- ????

2007-08-22 13:05:30
173.   delias man
Lineup for today is:

Furcal, SS

Pierre, CF

Kemp, RF

Kent, 2B

Ethier, LF

Martin, C

Loney, 1B

Hillenbrand, 3B

Lowe, P

August 22, 2007

2007-08-22 13:06:23
174.   Marty
Unfortunately I think the face of the team right now is Juan Pierre.
2007-08-22 13:06:24
175.   ToyCannon
Andrew Miller
Travis Snider
Billy Rowell
2007-08-22 13:07:13
176.   natepurcell
just beating a dead horse but.... why andy why! this was your chance!
2007-08-22 13:07:47
177.   trainwreck
Col- Kershaw
PIT- Would not want to spend money on Miller so I will say Kiker.
2007-08-22 13:07:51
178.   LogikReader
wooo! ok gray... Kemp, Ethier, and Loney together!

I thought the Dodgers played pretty well last night, despite Tomko. With this lineup they may have a good chance at it tonight.

2007-08-22 13:08:34
179.   bhsportsguy
165 Let's see. I can do a top 5.

1. Andrew Miller
2. Tim Lincecum
3. Evan Longoria
4. Clayton Kershaw
5. Luke Hochevar

If this happened last year, the Dodgers would have picked Morris (though he may not be the 7th best player). Morrow, Rowell, Stubbs could all go 6th.

2007-08-22 13:08:39
180.   trainwreck
Oh yeah I forgot about Chamberlain. Maybe PIT would take him.
2007-08-22 13:09:04
181.   natepurcell

Rowell? really? It seems his large strike zone is going to be a hefty problem for him as he progresses up the minor league ladder.

2007-08-22 13:09:22
182.   underdog
Andy's supposed to be back in the line-up today or tomorrow - the 51s line-up that is. If he holds up okay, we could see him next week. Well, we should see him 9/1 anyway.
2007-08-22 13:10:37
183.   natepurcell


this wasn't really what would have happened...just hindsight a year later on who now, would be the top 7 overall players from the draft.

2007-08-22 13:10:37
184.   ToyCannon
If were talking hindsite Hochever would be lucky to make the top 10.
2007-08-22 13:11:33
185.   bhsportsguy
172 That's interesting that you would think the D-Rays would take Chamberlain over Longoria. Is this selection based solely on talent?
2007-08-22 13:12:02
186.   natepurcell

thats true. Although I've heard from Royal fans defending Moore's honor on the pick that the Royals are not letting Hochevar throw some of his pitches and thats why he is sucking.

I'm not really buying it, he is just homerun prone. I remember watching the CWS back in 2005 and he gave up a HUGE homerun to Matt Laporta...should have seen it coming!

2007-08-22 13:14:03
187.   natepurcell
That's interesting that you would think the D-Rays would take Chamberlain over Longoria. Is this selection based solely on talent?

To me, Chamberlain looks soo much different as a yankee now then back in college. He seriously looks like a Clemens clone up on the mound. He seems to have reworked his mechanics a bit and now he just looks spectacular. Longoria is going to be a stud and they are both comparable talents.

2007-08-22 13:19:58
188.   ToyCannon
Hochervar might make it, but it is hard to see any ace potential. If he's not throwing all his pitches how is he supposed to gain command of them?

I'm a fan of Rowell. Deric has him right now as a top 25 guy and he's only 19. If he can stay at 3b, then he's my guy even more then Snider.

2007-08-22 13:20:11
189.   trainwreck
2007-08-22 13:22:40
190.   trainwreck
lol maybe I should put Alex White on the list.
2007-08-22 13:23:23
191.   natepurcell

I think thats the wrong Rasmus.

2007-08-22 13:24:38
192.   bhsportsguy
169 Nope, practices are now closed to the public. When I saw him, he was still playing safety.

From all accounts, he looks pretty good and they really only have two scholarship players (Markey and Bell) back there right now so he could get some decent playing time, the fact that he is 3rd string (unfortunately that would have Raymond Carter) tells me that they will use these next few weeks to get him ready for Stanford.

2007-08-22 13:25:25
193.   El Lay Dave
42 Sorry, I cut out for a series of long, boring meetings that I had to attend. The questions were rhetorical, but I think perhaps ESPN asked you for a face that was current.

Jon, in 3 : "I could choose anyone. It was just my feeling that it should be an active member."

ESPN's "face" web page: "'s SportsNation has convened a panel of 64 experts ... to give their picks for which current player, manager, owner, or mascot is the "face" of each of baseball's 30 franchises."

In the end, not all that important.

2007-08-22 13:25:36
194.   ToyCannon
You know the good Rasmus was drafted in 2005 as a CF by the Cards, not the 2006 pitching Rasmus drafted by Atlanta unless you know something about the pitching Rasmus I don't.
2007-08-22 13:25:45
195.   trainwreck
Aww, Cory was taken in 06 not Colby. My bad.
2007-08-22 13:27:40
196.   trainwreck
I thought Carter was going to earn a lot of playing time this year. He would have been a great change of pace from Markey.
2007-08-22 13:28:44
197.   ToyCannon
So far it is obvious the Yankee's got the steal of the draft in Chamberlain at 41. To think we reached on Mattingly...
2007-08-22 13:29:44
198.   trainwreck
Either way, we probably would have never gotten him.
2007-08-22 13:30:33
199.   Daniel Zappala
Why do I have more to contribute to a discussion of grammar than prospects?
2007-08-22 13:31:39
200.   trainwreck
Actually, has it ever been proven that White let someone else take Adkins? Or that Depo made him take Hochevar and Orenduff?

Like really proven.

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2007-08-22 13:35:28
201.   ToyCannon
That is more sad then funny.
2007-08-22 13:35:32
202.   arbfuldodger
Totally OT: I need to know where I could find a map of Chavez Ravine circa 1950 like an old Thomas Guide or something, My Dad's family was one of the families bought out when they started building up there and hes looking for some kind of map that shows all the streets of the Palo Verde, La Loma & Bishop neighborhoods. Any help or a heads up on info would be appreciated. I'm in Washington state but was born in LA and I have lots of family in LA so I could have one of them pick up whatever is found.
2007-08-22 13:41:25
203.   trainwreck
I joke to deal with the sadness.
2007-08-22 13:42:22
204.   Penarol1916
198. I really don't know how you can say that yet. Mattingley is a pure projection pick. Chamberlain was almost surely a better pick, but I'd say that we are at least a year away from saying whether or not Mattingley was a wasted pick. The kid was one of those three sport athletes, rather than someone who played baseball all of the time, so he's much more raw than usual, I don't know why anyone other than player development is even paying attention to his statistics yet.
2007-08-22 13:43:03
205.   natepurcell

don't worry, "we'll make him a dodger in 3 years"....!!!

2007-08-22 13:46:02
206.   ToyCannon
Bad news for Philly fans. Sounds like Hamels will miss more then one start. Per Rotowire
"The Phillies are saying that Hamels could be out as long as three weeks, which would be a huge blow to the top of their rotation for the stretch run. We'll have more on Hamels' status once the results of Wednesday's MRI become available."
2007-08-22 13:52:18
207.   Marty
202 I googled Chavez Ravine map and got this:

2007-08-22 13:52:30
208.   Bob Timmermann

The Chavez Ravine area looks a little funky on the early maps because some of the "streets" in Chavez Ravine were not officially named by the City of Los Angeles.

Also Chavez Ravine is spread over two pages just because that's how things worked out when the Thomas Brothers were making their grid.

If you send me an e-mail, (check over at the Griddle), I may be able to e-mail you a Sanborn map page.

2007-08-22 13:55:03
209.   ToyCannon
Where did I say Mattingly was a wasted pick? We reached, that is a fact. The wasted part will be determined by the future, but I wouldn't put my money on him being an impact player.
2007-08-22 13:55:22
210.   Bob Timmermann
I think that map may be a little late.
2007-08-22 14:00:11
211.   Bob Timmermann
I just checked the Sanborn map for the area and it wouldn't help you.

Sanborn maps were designed to rate fire risk. But since the people living in Chavez Ravine weren't out to buy insurance, they weren't mapped out in detail.

2007-08-22 14:06:39
212.   Eric Enders
Also keep in mind that Mattingly skipped a level this year and so his struggles with the bat are not really a surprise. He'll almost certainly be repeating Great Lakes next year and I wouldn't be surprised to see him have a big year with the bat when his age will be more in line with the rest of the players in the league.
2007-08-22 14:09:30
213.   Penarol1916
209. I was responding to post 198., which was where trainwreck said we never should have gotten Mattingley, not your post 197. I don't know why you got so defensive about it.
2007-08-22 14:11:06
214.   Eric Enders
Another thing: How good Chamberlain is has taken nobody by surprise. He was only drafted as low as he was because of (1) high bonus demands, and (2) potential injury concerns. Even if we re-did the draft today, a team like Pittsburgh might still pass on him. His bonus exceeded slot by about $350,000.
2007-08-22 14:12:36
215.   Eric Enders
206 Well, that's good news for the teams chasing the Phillies in the wild card. Their rotation now consists of pray for rain and, um, pray for more rain.
2007-08-22 14:15:17
216.   bhsportsguy
Last week, Derek Lowe threw one of the most boring 7 inning shutouts I have ever watched.

I hope I am equally bored today.

2007-08-22 14:18:23
217.   Curtis Lowe
Is there any news on why kershaw left the game yesterday?
2007-08-22 14:20:23
218.   Curtis Lowe
Argh LaRoche's return is being pushed back to next week.

according to Diamond Leung.

2007-08-22 14:23:46
219.   underdog
Man, people are ranting on the BlueNotes blog now, too. I wish the CAPS LOCK crowd would go back to places I don't read. Tiresome.
2007-08-22 14:24:53
220.   underdog
218 Poop.

Sept. 1st it is, for LaRoche.

2007-08-22 14:25:21
221.   Im So Blue
149 My sister, who is a teacher, met Wes several years ago when he was visiting her school for Dr Seuss Day. They traded groaners and he said he would be visiting Dave Hull in Palm Springs and that Dave would be tickled to hear about their meeting.

If infielder Ron didn't like the results he was getting, would you say he was using the "Ron Brand"?

So now there are at least 3 of us.

2007-08-22 14:29:04
222.   silverwidow
217--Monday. Kershaw was quoted in the local paper as being happy with his performance, with no mention of an injury. Maybe it was just a minor thing.
2007-08-22 14:31:04
223.   still bevens
222 I think we're talking about McDonald?
2007-08-22 14:31:12
224.   Eric Enders
Whatever Kershaw's injury or non-injury was, he was only going to pitch the six innings regardless. It's clear it wasn't his arm, at least, so that's good enough for me.
2007-08-22 14:32:47
225.   silverwidow
223-Kershaw pitched on Monday, McDonald yesterday.
2007-08-22 14:33:15
226.   twerp
A whole new (old, actually) category of interference for Bob--

On this date in baseball:

1886--Cincinnati outfielder Abner Powell was literally brought down by the dog days of summer. Chicken Wolf of the Louisville Colonels hit a deep drive and Powell took off after it, joined by a dog that had been sleeping by the fence. The dog bit Powell's leg before the outfielder could get to the ball and wouldn't let go as Wolf scored on a game-winning inside-the-park home run.

So, I guess the Wolf and the dog were chasing the same scent? And what a baseball name...Chicken Wolf. Too bad a pig wasn't also involved; then there could have been comments about an inside-the-pork home run.

Also of interest to Dodger fans:

1965--Juan Marichal thinks Johnny Roseboro throws too close to his head returning the ball to Sandy Koufax and attacks Dodger catcher with his bat. The Los Angeles backstop suffers cuts on the head during the 14-minute brawl.

Come to think of it, I guess this was catcher interference of a sort...

OK. I will stop.

2007-08-22 14:35:01
227.   Xeifrank
206. Given the circumstances (MRI on elbow), I think most Philly fans are happy with the results. Says he should be ready to pitch on or about 9/1. It's amazing that the only pitcher that has survived their spring training 6 pitcher logjam is something like 44 years old. vr, Xei
2007-08-22 14:40:15
228.   Sam DC
Soul of Baseball has a supposedly-final one-more-for-the-road post up.

It's really wonderful. He walks through his thinking on his "face of the franchise" pick. And his comments about Bonds are just brilliantly written. Like Jon, Posnanski can really make you doubt yourself as a writer.

Sample: "Then I thought about Alex Gordon, who I think will be an All-Star third baseman. I get the sense people think this has been a disappointing rookie season for Gordon, especially because he was, I think, the almost unanimous preseason choice to be rookie of the year. What happened, though, is he got off to an absolutely abysmal start; I mean he was awful at the plate and in the field. Gordon has a laid back personality -- it's difficult to tell what he's thinking. This is both good and bad -- it's good because he was hitting .161 on May 12, and he was undoubtedly thinking "AARRGH! OH MY GOD! I SUCK! HELP!" So we didn't need to know that. At the same time, he looked so laid back that many fans and outsiders wondered if Gordon was AWARE that he was hitting .161.

"You suck!" a few yelled, you know, as a gentle reminder.

2007-08-22 14:40:40
229.   Curtis Lowe
223,225 - My bad been really busy at work.

Thanks for the update Eric.

2007-08-22 14:45:27
230.   Nagman
If somebody can answer this, I'd appreciate it. When Jake Peavy signed his contract extension prior to the 2005 season, what was his contractual status? (I believe he had just completed his third season in the majors.) When is the earliest that he could've had full FA status had he not signed that contract?

Just wondering, on the heels of his comments regarding not expecting to be a Padre past '09. He's "only" making $4.75M thi season, $6M next season, and an $8M club option in '09.

2007-08-22 14:50:21
231.   still bevens
230 Probably SD buying out some of his arbitration years rather than fight over them with an arbitrator.
2007-08-22 14:53:28
232.   Bob Timmermann
No, the game was boring because you were sitting with me.

You can be straight with me. I can take it.

2007-08-22 14:54:13
233.   Daniel Zappala
226 Well, I enjoyed that.
2007-08-22 14:54:33
234.   bhsportsguy
230 Yep, San Diego bought out his arbitration years, there is a team option for 2009.

I wonder if Towers will try and go for the old "hometown" discount for an extension beyond 2009. Though, the price would probably be 12+ million a year and Peavy would probably want a 3-4 year deal.

2007-08-22 14:55:10
235.   silverwidow
230--Peavy only had two "full" years of service time when he signed the deal. So, without that contract, he would've been a FA after next year.
2007-08-22 14:56:00
236.   bhsportsguy
232 C'mon fascinating talk between watching kids devour malts.

Boring probably not the right word, fast-paced would be the phrase.

2007-08-22 14:58:55
237.   trainwreck
I was talking about us never drafting Chamberlain, nothing about Mattingly.
2007-08-22 15:00:45
238.   Bob Timmermann
Jake Peavy vs. Brian Lawrence in New York tonight.

If the Dodgers were there, all of their bats would disintegrate under the combined awesomeness of those two Dodger killers.

2007-08-22 15:05:00
239.   Nagman
Thanks for the Peavy contract info. So if he wasn't going to be a FA until after '08 it sounds like the current contract is not horrible for him.
2007-08-22 15:05:28
240.   Eric Enders
Just to be clear, since the answers above can be interpreted as conflicting, Peavy would have been a free agent after 2008. At the end of this season he will have 5 years, 101 days of service time. So by getting the 2009 team option which will obviously be exercised, the team bought out his first year of free agency for $8 mil -- a steal.
2007-08-22 15:05:40
241.   Bob Timmermann
Tall Chris Young is going to miss his next start, against the Phillies, because of back problems.

Apparently, the NL wild card will be vacant this year.

2007-08-22 15:12:58
242.   bhsportsguy
240 Even if Peavy wins a Cy Young in 2007, or 2008, the option only goes up to $11 million.
2007-08-22 15:16:43
243.   Eric Enders
NL Cy Young Update
The only sure bets appear to be that the winner will come from the latter half of the alphabet and also from the NL West.

Jake Peavy: 13-5, 2.19 ERA, 175 SO, 164.7 IP, 188 ERA+, team tied for wild card lead
Brad Penny: 14-3, 2.59 ERA, 119 K, 167 IP, 173 ERA+, team 2.5 games behind wild card leader
Brandon Webb: 13-8, 2.63 ERA, 161 K, 184.7 IP, 176 ERA+, team in first place by 3.5 games
Chris Young: 9-4, 2.12 ERA, 130 K, 135.7 IP, 194 ERA+, team tied for wild card lead

At this point, I think they rank
1. Peavy
2. Webb
3. Penny
4. Young

...although it's really going to come down to whoever gets the hottest in September. Penny's best chance to win would be by amassing a somewhat better W-L record than the other contenders. The win he had blown by the bullpen in his last start will not help matters in that regard.

2007-08-22 15:19:42
244.   Robert Daeley
226 Inside-the-bark works, too. ;)
2007-08-22 15:22:25
245.   Vishal
as bad as brett tomko is... do we really need david wells?

2007-08-22 15:24:13
246.   bhsportsguy
243 If Webb breaks Orel record, he should win the award if the D-Backs win the division and he wins 16 or more games.
2007-08-22 15:26:03
247.   bigcpa
243 I would expect Webb to get a bump from his scoreless streak as well as the carryover value from last year's win like the Gold Glove annuities. Tim Hudson will sneak in there with 18-20 wins as well.
2007-08-22 15:34:10
248.   DodgerBakers
245. That has unconfirmed rumor written all over it. I don't think we'll pick him up.

At least I hope not!

2007-08-22 15:34:30
249.   PDH5204
Jon, re Rawlings, Frank White was robbed!!! The man redefined the position, I mean, just who played 2nd in short rightfield before he set that standard? As the one site so aptly puts its, his range on artificial turf was unmatched in his era. Or as one Hall of Famer also so aptly puts it:

""Frank was involved in my first appearance as a major leaguer and in my first full game. I came in as a pinch runner for Ken Singleton at second base in the 12th inning of a game against Kansas City. It was my first appearance on a big-league field as a player. I had a feeling of how this was a big stage, different from anything I'd ever experienced in the minor leagues. It was very exciting. Frank, I think, recognized that there might have been some nervousness, so he put on a pick-off play immediately, trying to take advantage of that nervousness. I got back to the base OK, but when Frank tagged me, he gave me a little smile. The batter, John Lowenstein, doubled down the line and I scored the winning run.

"The next day, I got a start. In my first at-bat, the pitcher, Paul Splittorff, had two strikes on me. The next pitch was a fastball that I chopped over the mound. When it got over Splittorff's head, there was a clear lane for that ball to center field. There was nobody in sight. I just knew that the ball was going to bounce into center field for my first major-league hit. All of a sudden, out of nowhere, Frank White came into the picture. He backhanded the ball, jumped up in the air and threw to first for a great play. He threw me out by a millisecond. I ran back to our dugout and Ken Singleton said, 'Welcome to the big leagues. That's Mr. Frank White.' It took me six or seven more at-bats before I finally got a hit."---Cal Ripken Jr.

2007-08-22 15:35:27
250.   Eric Enders
248 But in award voting, the carryover effect is generally opposite that of the Gold Gloves. They don't vote for repeaters unless they are so clearly better than the rest of the field that it's impossible to vote for someone else.

This may be because the MVP and Cy are voted on by sportswriters while the Gold Gloves are voted on by players and managers.

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2007-08-22 15:43:56
251.   Bob Timmermann
Hudson better get a complete game under his belt before he tries for the Cy Young Award. No starter has won it without one.

Then again, Santana in 2006 and Zito in 2002 just had one. I believe Zito was the first starter to win the CYA without having a shutout.

2007-08-22 15:50:23
252.   Jon Weisman
New post up top.

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