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August 26 Game Chat
2007-08-26 15:40
by Jon Weisman

Tonight's game:


Retro Gameday

Comments (348)
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2007-08-26 15:49:43
1.   Bluebleeder87
David Wells #'s against New York are pretty encouraging, but we shall see.
2007-08-26 15:51:30
2.   underdog
Btw, LaRoche came in as a PH in the Vegas game today in the 7th and flied out.

Delwyn went 2-4 with a double.

2007-08-26 15:56:31
3.   Eric Enders
Furcal, SS

Pierre, CF

Kemp, RF

Kent, 2B

Ethier, LF

Hillenbrand, 3B

Loney, 1B

Lieberthal, C

Wells, P

2007-08-26 15:58:10
4.   Telemachos
That's about as decent a lineup as we'll get, these days (given that it's on Martin's day off).
2007-08-26 16:03:18
5.   Bluebleeder87

underdog did the announcers give you any update on his condition? are they gonna ease him back in the lineup, one wonders if he's 100% I'm still looking at it with a raised eyebrow.

2007-08-26 16:04:03
6.   Eric Enders
Quick plug: If you consider yourself a music fan in any way, shape, or form, stop whatever you're doing and go out and buy "The Historical Conquests of Josh Ritter," which was released earlier this week. It's really spectacular, a landmark album. It will make you remember why you loved music in the first place.

2007-08-26 16:05:19
7.   underdog
5 Hey BB, alas I only tracked it online via the box score, so I didn't get any more info than that. It sounds like they are easing him back into it slowly, though, yeah, and you're entitled to be skeptical!
2007-08-26 16:26:50
8.   PDH5204
Are we "resting" Martin so that we might get swept?
2007-08-26 16:30:33
9.   Daniel Zappala
You can also go to Josh Ritter's web site and hear several of the songs from his album.
2007-08-26 16:34:27
10.   FRM
Thanks Eric, I loved Ritter's The Animal Years.
2007-08-26 16:37:24
11.   underdog
8 Martin's being rested because he needs the rest and the team is traveling back to LA for a game tomorrow. I don't think it's a bad deal having Lieberthal catch Wells today, though like everyone I'm always happier having martin in the lineup.
2007-08-26 16:43:32
12.   PDH5204
11 We need to win, and now! If we lose too many more games, Martin will soon have time for all the rest he might otherwise need.
2007-08-26 16:45:24
13.   King of the Hobos
From the last thread, if we want our own Chris Young to challenge the other 2 teams, there's one for the taking. He's a 26 year old groundball specialist who has a problem with homers and can't strike out anyone. Currently playing for Albuquerque, we just need to convince Florida to give him to us for something of no real value, like cash.

2007-08-26 16:47:13
14.   underdog
12 True, but despite his home run yesterday he's looked pretty sluggish to me over the past few weeks. Maybe it's a mirage, but honestly we have a perfectly capable backup catcher and if we automatically can't win because he's in and Martin's out... Well, they have other problems besides that... (Still, sometimes I wish Martin could go back to play 3rd base like he did when he first came up. ;-)
2007-08-26 16:48:46
15.   underdog
Boy have the Brewers fallen apart or what? Another loss in SF today.
2007-08-26 16:51:46
16.   underdog
Well, I've got another evening soccer/futbol game tonight so I'm taping the game to watch late. At least then I can fast forward through much of the bad parts - or at least through Joe Morgan monologues. Good luck Dodgers!
2007-08-26 16:53:49
17.   LAT
15. We fans who live in glass houses. . .
2007-08-26 16:55:41
18.   underdog
17 Heh, totally. But the Brewers just seemed like a such a great team and now they're at .500, which is kinda stunning. But I guess like the Dodgers they were playing a little better than they really were for awhile and now have been playing a little worse than they are at the wrong time.
2007-08-26 16:57:54
19.   underdog
Top Ten Greatest Home Runs right now on ESPN.
2007-08-26 17:03:04
20.   Linkmeister
6 I'm so clueless I read that and thought "John Ritter's dead!"
2007-08-26 17:04:48
21.   El Lay Dave
20 He's still dead.
2007-08-26 17:05:33
22.   El Lay Dave
LATed myself!

Isn't Edwin Jackson the (perhaps potentially) cautionary tale regarding service time and running young pitchers up to the majors? I realize that at age 19, Jackson is the extreme example, but I can understand reluctance on the part of Dodger front-office folks to rush their pitchers into the 40- or 25- man rosters earlier than might be prudent. As Eric Enders touches on in 46 of the last thread, if the Dodgers had kept Jackson, they would have had difficult roster decisions to make. Under a more normal development curve, he'd still have options left, less time on the 40-man roster, and could have finished his learning in AAA, not the majors.

2007-08-26 17:06:16
23.   Bluebleeder87
Looking at David Wells worming up, his arm looks pretty nice & lose I'm pretty sure he'll have a nice game I just really hope he can last 6 or 7 innings.
2007-08-26 17:10:53
24.   Bluebleeder87
Wootz, good start for the boys in blue.
2007-08-26 17:11:16
25.   LAT
Nice start.
2007-08-26 17:11:22
26.   trainwreck
I hate when people say Pierre is doing well.
2007-08-26 17:11:47
27.   trainwreck
I mean for the season, not recently.
2007-08-26 17:12:50
28.   Sam in SC
"Looking at David Wells worming up . . . "

I hope this doesn't turn out to be more prescient than we could have known.

2007-08-26 17:13:00
29.   D4P
Someone needs to explain that strike zone thingie to Pierre.
2007-08-26 17:13:40
30.   Eric Enders
22 I think the Dodgers can be forgiven calling Jackson up so soon because

1) They really needed him to make those starts. And his performance in those starts showed that it probably wasn't too soon.
2) At the time, we all thought he was coming up to the majors for good. Remember, he was the favorite to win the 5th starter's job the next spring but pitched his way out of the role. Nobody thought we'd need to use even ONE of his options, much less all of them.

It's easy to say in retrospect that the Dodgers should have done differently, but nobody knew that he was going to both get hurt AND forget how to pitch. It's just one of those things that happens sometimes. It could have happened with Fernando or Ramon Martinez also, but it didn't. I don't think the Jackson case should make us particularly wary of calling up young pitchers when their minor league performance dictates they're ready.

2007-08-26 17:14:07
31.   Rob M
26 How about when they say he's a good bunter.
2007-08-26 17:15:24
32.   D4P
Does Matt Kemp have the largest strike zone in the league...?
2007-08-26 17:15:40
33.   trainwreck
Don't mind it. I just hate when they say he is good, because they never bother to look at stats. People just say it because they like how he plays.
2007-08-26 17:16:25
34.   LAT
29. Change that to Kemp.
2007-08-26 17:16:38
35.   MMSMikey
what a surprise there. a strike out with a runner on 3rd and less then 2 outs. pathetic.
2007-08-26 17:16:49
36.   trainwreck
According to Joe Morgan, that pitch got a lot of the strike zone.


2007-08-26 17:17:18
37.   MMSMikey
hit a groundball to short. we're up 1-0.
2007-08-26 17:17:41
38.   LAT
Dodgers leave a runner on 3B. What are the odds?
2007-08-26 17:19:57
39.   Bluebleeder87
Perfect example of why we're struggling & Kemp with 2 strikes needs swing at anything close, argh!
2007-08-26 17:20:36
40.   MMSMikey

that pitch was too close to take with 2 strikes.

2007-08-26 17:22:50
41.   Sam in SC
baserunning gift from the mets
2007-08-26 17:23:05
42.   Andrew Shimmin
Things that wouldn't have happened if LuGo were in LF, for 800 Alex.
2007-08-26 17:23:41
43.   Sam in SC
42 - excellent point.
2007-08-26 17:23:44
44.   D4P
Looks like bad base-running will bail out FTOG.
2007-08-26 17:25:23
45.   bhsportsguy
42 Except that was a pretty short throw, Furcal was almost in mid-LF, but you are probably right.
2007-08-26 17:26:23
46.   bhsportsguy
42 A better question is things that wouldn't have happened if Furcal wasn't the shortstop.
2007-08-26 17:26:31
47.   Vaudeville Villain
39 40

Kemp needs to concentrate on getting a good pitch to hit, not worrying about striking out. The called strike could have gone either way.

2007-08-26 17:26:51
48.   Sam in SC
why does it just seem very unlikely that tomko would have been blessed by the some dumb luck if it was him starting tonight . . .

aside from some really mediocre pitching, he could never seem to buy a break.

2007-08-26 17:27:10
49.   El Lay Dave
22 Remember, he was the favorite to win the 5th starter's job the next spring but pitched his way out of the role.

My poorly-made point is that that should be the lesson learned. (I'm not really trying to damn the Dodgers for the past judgment; it did make some sense, perhaps, at the time.) If you move a young kid up, even if you think he's ready, you are limiting some of your longer-term choices, and the Dodgers had few options once Jackson suffered a setback. I'm just saying that management has more to considered than if some 20-year old minor league pitcher would be better than, say, Tomko or Wells today.

2007-08-26 17:27:25
50.   LAT
Wells uniform is about four sizes too big. What did they do give him one of Broxton's.
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2007-08-26 17:28:35
51.   King of the Hobos
Has anyone mentioned McDonald's outing yet?

6 IP, 7 H, 2 R (1 ER), 0 BB, 4 K, 1 HR

2007-08-26 17:28:47
52.   D4P
Strike 2 to Kemp was a worse call than strike 3.
2007-08-26 17:28:54
53.   Vaudeville Villain
Joe Morgan is SOOOOO bad. He called Hillenbrand Sean twice. How does this guy get paid to talk about baseball?
2007-08-26 17:29:36
54.   Sam in SC
53 - they all look alike to him ;)
2007-08-26 17:30:09
55.   Bluebleeder87

get your point but Kemp at this point in time (hate to admit this) is NOT a good situational/thinking mans hitter, I really feel he had a bad at bat.

2007-08-26 17:30:13
56.   Linkmeister
53 Lots and lots of slack given to HoFers.
2007-08-26 17:30:15
57.   JoeyP
Its hard to claim Tomko had bad luck when he led the staff in giving up homers.
2007-08-26 17:31:52
58.   LAT
55. Agreed. Forget close calls. Kemp has to make contact in that situation.
2007-08-26 17:32:17
59.   King of the Hobos
57 Of course the new leader is his replacement.
2007-08-26 17:32:18
60.   trainwreck
Do you want to see David Wells in a tight jersey?

I did not think so.

2007-08-26 17:32:33
61.   Sam in SC
57 - I thought I qualified my comment adequately.
2007-08-26 17:32:40
62.   Vaudeville Villain

He ran the count to 2-2 and got two called strikes that were questionable. How is that a bad at-bat?

2007-08-26 17:33:18
63.   JoeyP
51--If the Dodgers are truely concerned with McDonald's lowered velocity and his tired arm---why not just shut him down for the year?

The longer he makes better starts, the worse the front office looks for having him throw those pitches in the minor league level when the mlb level is calling. But then again, at 7 games out in the division, 4 in the WC--it might not matter.

2007-08-26 17:36:01
64.   Bluebleeder87
I shouldn't think this way but I always want every Dodger hitter to be a Russell Martin clone in terms of how they approach an at bat, I'm sure Kemp will learn.
2007-08-26 17:36:48
65.   trainwreck
There should be a drinking game for Joe Morgan commentary. Everytime he says a name wrong you got to drink.

Of course, people may die of alcohol poisoning.

2007-08-26 17:38:15
66.   King of the Hobos
Joe Morgan just mentioned all of Minaya's shrewd pickups for the bench, including Marlon Byrd. Did that just happen? Or are all guys named Marlon essentially the same guy?
2007-08-26 17:40:23
67.   King of the Hobos
65 The safest Joe Morgan drinking game would be to drink whenever he says something that is both coherent and factually correct. Actually, calling that a "drinking" game may be a bit of a misnomer.
2007-08-26 17:44:08
68.   Bluebleeder87
Rabbits are lose!
2007-08-26 17:44:28
69.   trainwreck
We lead!
2007-08-26 17:44:37
70.   D4P
Sometimes groundballs turn into triples. A lot of times, though, they turn into outs.
2007-08-26 17:46:09
71.   bhsportsguy
That was an unagressive swing by Matty.
2007-08-26 17:46:30
72.   LAT
60. Good point.
2007-08-26 17:46:41
73.   MMSMikey
kemp is 2 for 2 with runners on 3rd
2007-08-26 17:47:53
74.   bhsportsguy
73 If this place turns on Matt Kemp, I will have to go find another blog.
2007-08-26 17:48:29
75.   D4P
FTOG's Gameday photo is funny.
2007-08-26 17:49:28
76.   trainwreck
Seriously, this guy is our future. He is one of the ones that give me hope.
2007-08-26 17:49:50
77.   Gen3Blue
Whoa--Reyes-watch this
2007-08-26 17:49:51
78.   King of the Hobos
Pardon my ignorance, but what does FTOG mean?
2007-08-26 17:51:02
79.   Gen3Blue
Here's the test for Wells.
2007-08-26 17:51:06
80.   Sam in SC
78 - I believe it is "fat tub of goo".
2007-08-26 17:51:13
81.   D4P
what does FTOG mean?

Fat Tub of Goo

2007-08-26 17:51:35
82.   Andrew Shimmin
78- Fat Tub Of Goo.
2007-08-26 17:52:06
83.   King of the Hobos
80 ,81 ,82 ,etc. Thanks
2007-08-26 17:52:15
84.   Andrew Shimmin
2007-08-26 17:53:13
85.   Bluebleeder87

it's one of those things were we know how good he can be so we get kind of frustrated when he doesn't produce, sprinkle in some bad playing from the Dodgers are you got moody DTer's

2007-08-26 17:53:41
86.   trainwreck
Can we get Pierre a bionic arm?
2007-08-26 17:54:01
87.   King of the Hobos
Too bad Pierre had to field that ball.
2007-08-26 17:54:26
88.   Sam in SC
another base running blunder, but after the damage is done.
2007-08-26 17:54:26
89.   JoeyP
Dodgers could use a David Wright.
2007-08-26 17:54:40
90.   LAT
Another run scored against our CF. That second run was the product of our CF are. Reyes know who he was running on.
2007-08-26 17:55:32
91.   Bluebleeder87
FTOG's Gameday photo is funny.

He's got a hu?? what going on?? type face in the mug.

2007-08-26 17:56:18
92.   LAT
Acknowledging a couple of bad AB by Kemp is far from turning on him. I just hope Grady and Ned realize a couple of poor ABs does not a player make.
2007-08-26 17:58:17
93.   dzzrtRatt
The Mets of Dennis Ribant, Al Jackson and Jack Fisher would have never used Power Point.
2007-08-26 17:58:40
94.   Mark Joseph

Two words: Wilson Betemit

2007-08-26 17:59:43
95.   Sam in SC
I hope kent is okay. WHOA!
2007-08-26 18:00:11
96.   LAT
Wow that was a shot to the head.
2007-08-26 18:00:25
97.   Sam in SC
isn't that getting beaned twice in three years for kent?
2007-08-26 18:00:59
98.   Andrew Shimmin
Jeez. He can't stay in, even if he thinks he's alright. They've got to get him out.
2007-08-26 18:01:29
99.   King of the Hobos
I certainly hope Kent is alright, but this is just making the Betemit deal that much worse. At least we have Hu.
2007-08-26 18:01:53
100.   D4P
At least Lucille can't pinch hit for Kemp tonight.
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2007-08-26 18:02:28
101.   LAT
Great Ramon in his place. This season just keeps getting better and better.
2007-08-26 18:03:34
102.   Reddog
How many extra runs over the course of this season have the Dodgers given up due to Pierre's weak arm?

My guess is 50.

2007-08-26 18:03:55
103.   LAT
Apparently chest high and inside is now in the strike zone.
2007-08-26 18:05:20
104.   Bluebleeder87
I think our winning peripherals just went down a bit with Kent out of the game, sigh.
2007-08-26 18:06:46
105.   LAT
I'm guessing if there is anyone who is likely to retaliate for the bean ball to Kent its Wells. On the other hand, maybe not when appealing a suspension.
2007-08-26 18:07:03
106.   Sam in SC
the dodgers needs something besides a K right here
2007-08-26 18:07:07
107.   bhsportsguy
102 I don't think even the worse defensive player is responsible for an extra 50 runs.

Just the numbers, Wilson's line in NY. .209/.277/.442, key numbers 3 HRs, 4 BB, 17 K in 47 plate appearances.

2007-08-26 18:07:27
108.   Bluebleeder87
You guys think Boomer will retaliate?
2007-08-26 18:07:54
109.   MMSMikey
im sensing we will not score this inning
2007-08-26 18:07:56
110.   Sam in SC
something besides a K, or what just happened.
2007-08-26 18:08:18
111.   bhsportsguy
Hillebrand now has had two tough breaks on line drives in this series.
2007-08-26 18:09:08
112.   LAT
Has there been a batter Maine has not gotten ahead of?
2007-08-26 18:09:09
113.   Bluebleeder87
Good point LAT, I forgot about that.
2007-08-26 18:09:13
114.   Sam in SC
102 50 runs is a lot of runs . . .
2007-08-26 18:10:04
115.   Sam in SC
2007-08-26 18:10:06
116.   MMSMikey
Dodger Baseball.
2007-08-26 18:10:47
117.   King of the Hobos
Apparently Little is going to skip Stults' start on Friday.
2007-08-26 18:10:49
118.   LAT
I'm going to pretend Loney didn't swing at that last pitch.
2007-08-26 18:11:21
119.   JoeyP
Some interesting stats on previous Dodgers CF'ers that Ned has given away:

Jayson Werth (153 abs with Phillies)

Milton Bradley (101 abs with Padres)

Cody Ross (106 abs with Marlins)

2007-08-26 18:12:20
120.   Sam in SC
2007-08-26 18:12:21
121.   MMSMikey
seriously, how can grady tolerate this? i think he should resign.
2007-08-26 18:14:07
122.   bhsportsguy
119 If they could only go a whole year without getting hurt, they would be pretty good.

I'm sorry that Werth got hurt but he was out almost 2 years, Milton has been in and out of the lineup for 3 years and Cody Ross is also not immune to the DL.

2007-08-26 18:15:12
123.   MMSMikey
its almost impossible not to score with 1st and 3rd nobody out
2007-08-26 18:16:20
124.   Reddog
The reason I'm guessing 50 runs is that I'm factoring in that opposing teams virtually always take the extra base when the ball is hit to Pierre. So 3 or 4 times a game they'll have a guy on third instead of second, or they'll score a run rather than having him stop at third.

That seems like it could easily add up to an extra run every third game played.

2007-08-26 18:16:50
125.   bhsportsguy
123 Line drive, K, K.
2007-08-26 18:17:48
126.   MMSMikey

thanks i wasnt watching.

2007-08-26 18:18:39
127.   Ken Noe
122 I'll still take Ethier over Bradley, as much as I liked actually Bradley in blue. NedCo wasn't the last GM to release Milton.
2007-08-26 18:18:52
128.   Bluebleeder87
123 ,125

we're inventing ways of not scoring it seems.

2007-08-26 18:19:25
129.   Sam in SC
124 the dodgers have allowed 557 runs so far this year (not including tonight, probably). it seems to me to be a stretch to chalk a full 10% of those runs up to one guy's arm.
2007-08-26 18:19:52
130.   trainwreck
I am not a Ned fan at all, but I do not blame him for Werth or Ross at all. And he did get Ethier in the Bradley trade.
2007-08-26 18:20:17
131.   JoeyP
122--But, seeing Repko and Pierre on the 40 man roster, and the other 3 on other teams does not make me feel better.
2007-08-26 18:20:26
132.   Ken Noe
Fourth inning and no pitching disaster? Wells is officially better than Tomko.
2007-08-26 18:20:58
133.   MMSMikey

actually it would be

F4, K, K

2007-08-26 18:21:40
134.   bhsportsguy
If Kemp gets up this inning, I predict good things.
2007-08-26 18:22:54
135.   trainwreck
That was awesome!!


2007-08-26 18:23:10
136.   Indiana Jon
2007-08-26 18:23:29
137.   Sam in SC
134 - that's a little more possible now than it was 30 seconds ago.
2007-08-26 18:23:30
138.   Bluebleeder87
wow, I think David Wells needs oxygen with that bunt & run, I'm actually impressed with Boomer there.
2007-08-26 18:23:36
139.   bhsportsguy
2007-08-26 18:24:13
140.   The Mootz
Is it just me, or does Jon Miller and Joe Morgan always give the Dodgers back-handed compliments?
2007-08-26 18:24:29
141.   pen
Wells looks like a better bunter than Pierre :D!
2007-08-26 18:24:33
142.   Sam in SC
boomer was totally leaking oil when he hit first base . . . .

still, pretty awesome.

2007-08-26 18:25:11
143.   bhsportsguy
Here comes a bunt.
2007-08-26 18:25:13
144.   Ken Noe
C'mon Wells, you can stretch that to third base ;-)
2007-08-26 18:25:14
145.   MMSMikey
pierre will hit into a triple play
2007-08-26 18:26:34
146.   Sam in SC
Matt Kemp's Redemption. right here . . .
2007-08-26 18:28:31
147.   Sam in SC
okay, it wasn't the most viciously hit ball I have ever seen, but he did the job.


2007-08-26 18:28:35
148.   LAT
134: profetic (sp?)
2007-08-26 18:28:36
149.   bhsportsguy
It wasn't hard but it will do.
2007-08-26 18:28:36
150.   Ken Noe
134 Nice.
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2007-08-26 18:28:40
151.   Bluebleeder87
BHSportsguy predicted right, Kemp deliver bloop shot but he came threw non the less.
2007-08-26 18:28:47
152.   Indiana Jon
Viscious line drive hit by Kemp drives in one.
2007-08-26 18:29:16
153.   Gen3Blue
I won't waste my time learning this--but why was that not a balk.

Oh, I think Morgans going to cry and I don't want to hear it.

2007-08-26 18:29:21
154.   trainwreck
Yeah, Kemp!
2007-08-26 18:29:48
155.   LAT
Ugh, I had'nt contemplated that Ramon is now our clean up hitter. Sums up alot this season.
2007-08-26 18:30:09
156.   Mark Joseph

Good call!

Wish I'd have called "If Wells leads off this inning with a bunt single, I predict good things."

2007-08-26 18:30:54
157.   Sam in SC
2007-08-26 18:31:14
158.   MMSMikey
2007-08-26 18:31:44
159.   bhsportsguy
Matty, gotta look up there buddy.
2007-08-26 18:31:52
160.   LAT
How can you lose that ball watching from first base?
2007-08-26 18:32:10
161.   MMSMikey
welcome to the big leagues.
2007-08-26 18:32:19
162.   Sam in SC
well, heck, heck, heck, heck,
2007-08-26 18:32:22
163.   trainwreck
Sigh, we won't see Kemp for awhile.
2007-08-26 18:32:23
164.   Mark Joseph
Rule 1 violation...
2007-08-26 18:32:26
165.   Bluebleeder87
ah, young Kemp!
2007-08-26 18:32:47
166.   MMSMikey
my fist just went through the wall
2007-08-26 18:33:01
167.   LAT
Enjoy is while you can. I'm guessing this is Kemp's last start for a while.
2007-08-26 18:33:04
168.   Sam in SC
a big inning mugged in the back alley.
2007-08-26 18:33:48
169.   MMSMikey
embarassed on national tv
2007-08-26 18:33:58
170.   Bluebleeder87
RM2™ coming threw was unexpected though.
2007-08-26 18:34:09
171.   Vaudeville Villain
That hurt mainly because it will be used an excuse to play Luis Gonzalez for two weeks.
2007-08-26 18:34:30
172.   bhsportsguy
163 Nahh, he'll be okay, may have to pay a fine if they still have the kangaroo court.
2007-08-26 18:34:39
173.   LAT
I would like to have seen that play from a diffrent angle.
2007-08-26 18:36:05
174.   Gen3Blue
Thats not a Balk! So you can double fake as much as you want, but if you make some move impossible to define, its a balk?

Terrible base running, but if you have no faith in your coaching, its going to happen.

I would guess that was the game; but I am really for McCourt learning that this game is over and he could lead a glorious new one.

2007-08-26 18:37:17
175.   Indiana Jon
It's scary that Matt Kemp is this good and still doesn't really know the game that well. He runs through signs, doesn't know the strike zone, gets lost on the bases, gets bad reads on fly balls, etc. and he's still the Dodgers best player at age 22. When he figures out how to play this game, how good will he be?
2007-08-26 18:38:21
176.   Gen3Blue
Nice arm, any time you throw out Reyes by 10 feet.
2007-08-26 18:39:13
177.   bhsportsguy
174 So Matt Kemp got hung up at second base because he did not want to check what Donnelly was doing? Even after it has been acknowledged that he ran through two stop signs.
2007-08-26 18:39:47
178.   LAT
Furcal is getting a lot of balls his way tonight.
2007-08-26 18:40:32
179.   jet
Re Kemp's baserunning: 1. Joe Morgan criticized Kemp for not looking at his third base coach. Well, Donnelly, was giving him nothing, a deer in headlights even after the ball had clearly fallen in. Kemp was on his own. 2. On the pick off at third, the replay showed clearly the tag was high and applied after Kemp's arm hand got to the bag. Was it stellar baserunning? No, but you have to put much of it on Donnelly and a bad call by the ump.
2007-08-26 18:40:57
180.   trainwreck
Maybe Kemp needs new contacts.
2007-08-26 18:42:14
181.   bhsportsguy
180 Are you going to the Stanford game?
2007-08-26 18:42:54
182.   Gen3Blue
175 Kemp has a chance to be that rare item; a good athlete who is a good ballplayer. Being an athlete may give you a ticket in football or basketball, but you need certain skills to play baseball( see Jordan, Michael) When you combine the two it can be wonderful.
2007-08-26 18:43:27
183.   LAT
179. Sorry, I just cannot blame Donnelly for Kemp losing sight of the ball. Donnelly may be blameworthy of a lot but not that play.
2007-08-26 18:44:18
184.   LAT
Is it just me or does it feel like this game is about to be over right here.
2007-08-26 18:45:14
185.   trainwreck
I would like to go, but I have no car and none of my friends care.
2007-08-26 18:45:50
186.   Bluebleeder87
I think we'll watching David Wells running out of steam right before our eyes.
2007-08-26 18:46:49
187.   PDH5204
179 Kemp might also have not slid, since with going back standing the throw to Wright would have hit him in the back and he would have been back to third safely.
2007-08-26 18:47:42
188.   bhsportsguy
That was a sweet unhittable curve ball.
2007-08-26 18:47:51
189.   Bluebleeder87
very impressive but seriously this has to be David Wells last inning right.
2007-08-26 18:47:51
190.   Mark Joseph

That could be taken in at least two different ways ;-)

2007-08-26 18:48:28
191.   trainwreck
It is kind of crazy that we have had Maddux and Wells on our teams these past two years.
2007-08-26 18:48:52
192.   bhsportsguy
189 Probably, it could mean Hendrickson or Seanez.
2007-08-26 18:50:17
193.   Ken Noe
189 With a three week layoff before tonight, I think he's given more than his fair share. If Pierre had an arm, he'd have one earned run, and he got that back with that bunt. Tomko collapses with the bases loaded, Wells goes all bulldog and gets out of it.
2007-08-26 18:50:17
194.   Gen3Blue
I assumed by now I would have seen an angle that made Kemp look "out". I haven't.
2007-08-26 18:51:32
195.   trainwreck
I was basically pleading someone to go with me to see the Emerald Bowl last year and I could not get anyone.

Oh, don't talk about Kershaw in our rotation next year Peter. You are scaring people.

2007-08-26 18:51:53
196.   Indiana Jon
Interesting comments about Kershaw by Gammons.
2007-08-26 18:55:12
197.   Bluebleeder87
one point I wanted to make on Matt Kemp is that he opens up his hips WAY to early AT TIMES & that just leads to OTHER PROBLEMS, I guess that's one of the reasons he looks bad on curves, of course those problems can be corrected with constant playing time & good coaching.
2007-08-26 18:59:01
198.   jet
183 I guess this forever will remain unresolved, because from the way I saw the replays, Kemp was looking at Donnelly first (and getting nothing), before looking at the ball and making his blunder. Also, 187 , the way I was taught (many many decades ago), one doesn't go standing up back into the third base bag because of the danger of overrunning under one's head of steam. The larger picture is, I agree, with most of the other posters, is that this is part and parcel of a tremendously gifted 22 year old's learning process.
2007-08-26 18:59:16
199.   trainwreck
We're doing it guys!

We're playing with them.

2007-08-26 19:00:40
200.   dzzrtRatt
Remember the Maine!

He's sinking fast.

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2007-08-26 19:00:40
201.   Bluebleeder87
Look at the Dodgers going on a mini-tear in this inning.
2007-08-26 19:01:01
202.   Andrew Shimmin
Big game for furry.
2007-08-26 19:04:27
203.   gpellamjr
Does an excellent at-bat by Gonzo combined with a couple of baserunning errors by Kemp mean Gonzo has taken his starting spot back for a while?
2007-08-26 19:05:18
204.   bhsportsguy
3 two out hits, okay Matty put it out of reach.
2007-08-26 19:06:23
205.   trainwreck
Woo hoo!
2007-08-26 19:06:35
206.   dzzrtRatt
Well, he's letting him bat now. Sweeney's on the bench.

Nice to have some speed when the IF is playing back expecting a line drive.

2007-08-26 19:06:40
207.   Sam in SC
another vicious hit by matty ;)

I will take this one, too.

2007-08-26 19:06:41
208.   Bluebleeder87
It will look like a screaming line drive in tomorrows paper.
2007-08-26 19:06:53
209.   bhsportsguy
204 Matt gets two rbi on two jammed shots.
2007-08-26 19:07:53
210.   alexx
Joe Morgan: "It might not be a bad idea for Pierre to get picked off if Kemp gets two strikes on him."
2007-08-26 19:08:15
211.   trainwreck
Maybe LAT was right, just in the opposite way he meant.
2007-08-26 19:08:43
212.   Sam in SC
wow. double steal with two out. very aggressive.
2007-08-26 19:09:14
213.   PDH5204
198 Your coach was right as concerns balls in play, as you probably would reach full speed prior to reaching the base. Kemp never even got close to full speed and wasn't otherwise in danger of overunning the base by going in standing. He had the right idea by going back in the way of the throw, he just should have stayed up rather than sliding back. Hopefully, someone will show him the film, praise him for having the right idea of trying to get in the way of the throw, but then telling him that he should have went back standing. Otherwise, good inning so far [though I need a Saito save in one fantasy league to take the tie and make it a win].
2007-08-26 19:10:08
214.   bhsportsguy
212 Wright made a nice play just to put a glove on that throw.
2007-08-26 19:11:02
215.   King of the Hobos
The runs were nice, but this game is still far from Roberto-proof. Just need to get through the 6th and 7th and we're good.
2007-08-26 19:12:23
216.   Gen3Blue
I'm trying hard not to be optimistic. But I don't think I've ever won while listening to Morgans depressive BS. And I won't believe until I see.
2007-08-26 19:13:49
217.   LogikReader
Gen3Blue (fm last thread)

Loney, Kemp, and Ethier were in the lineup together for Wednesday's game against the Phils plus they were in there for Friday's game.

2007-08-26 19:14:55
218.   Gen3Blue
Note to D's offense. I think you will need to do something to win.
2007-08-26 19:15:07
219.   LogikReader
If this holds, LogikReader is about to have some egg on his face. Gotta hand it to Wells for his start tonight... it was pretty decent from what I saw.

Please keep this lineup permanently! This is nice :)

2007-08-26 19:16:37
220.   Gen3Blue
217 How did we do on wednessday. I guess I know we didn't do well on friday
2007-08-26 19:16:46
221.   dzzrtRatt

Say, Anyez, did you see where I left my keys?

2007-08-26 19:17:00
222.   King of the Hobos
219 Even Lucille II cleanup?
2007-08-26 19:17:15
223.   gpellamjr
The Dodgers could make history tonight. In their entire history of over a century, both in Brooklyn and in LA, I have never seen them win in HD.
2007-08-26 19:18:39
224.   dzzrtRatt
Does Wells look fatter in HD, or older?
2007-08-26 19:19:26
225.   Indiana Jon
219 I think we want Martin back in tomorrow.
2007-08-26 19:19:41
226.   librarian
219: While I applaud your ferocity in defending rest for Martin, I'm not sure I'd agree with resting him for the remainder of the season - so there's a change or two I might recommend in this lineup down the road....
2007-08-26 19:20:05
227.   LogikReader

Older and Balder, for sure.

Fatter, hard to tell, his shirt is so loose, I can't say. They did show a clip of his perfect game and he's more "svelte" compared to now.

2007-08-26 19:20:36
228.   LogikReader

Dang! I forgot about that. Yes, obviously we need Martin back.

2007-08-26 19:21:54
229.   bhsportsguy
My guess is Kent is out tommorrow and maybe the whole National series.
2007-08-26 19:21:55
230.   LogikReader

I assume you mean personally never seen them win in HD yes?

They have quite a few games in HD this year, on KCAL and FSNPT, so obviously they had to win at least one.

2007-08-26 19:23:35
231.   Bluebleeder87
beautiful hit by Lieberthal
2007-08-26 19:23:36
232.   librarian
Hmm - Loney at 1st, two out - recent history suggests the Ds score several runs in this situation (when it comes up).
2007-08-26 19:23:59
233.   bhsportsguy
The Killer Zs.
2007-08-26 19:24:22
234.   LogikReader
-- and seeing that Kent has a concussion (very unfortunate), I trust that he won't make the next lineup either.

How can any baseball analyst not peruse statistics, especially the guy who is on the big ESPN game of the week?

2007-08-26 19:26:34
235.   jet
213 No, actually we were taught (and it makes sense to me) that diving back was (and is) the safest way in getting back to the 3B bag as the catcher still has to make a difficult throw. But by now, this is a dead horse and we just see it two different ways. Let's just hang on and win this. By the way, Morgan is deluded; Little (or even a good manager) never would have put on the double steal with Kemp at the plate because Ramon Martinez instead of Kent was on deck. Hard to expect Ramon to keep hitting doubles...
2007-08-26 19:28:03
236.   Bluebleeder87

Underdog mentioned on the last thread that La Roche is back, I'm hoping he gets a call up. I don't know how healthy he is though cause he came in for PH duties only.

2007-08-26 19:28:54
237.   Sam DC
This discussion of the game is all well and good, but we have more important business to attend to.

PDH5204, did you really say in the last thread that you have seen every Devil Rays game this year?

Did you mean it?

2007-08-26 19:29:41
238.   trainwreck
Shawn Green, I remember that guy.
2007-08-26 19:33:10
239.   Sam in SC
that was touched by a fan, wasn't it?
2007-08-26 19:33:26
240.   Bluebleeder87
should have kept it in your pocket Hillenbrand.
2007-08-26 19:35:27
241.   Sam DC
Eric -- you're comment plus the discussion a couple of nights ago inspired me to replace my The River and also to plunge and get the Ritter album.

That discussion about Springsteen brought back a memory I can't believe I haven't accessed in all these years, especially since I remember it so clearly now. I was about 15 and my dad was griping about how music had gone to heck and no one wrote lyrics like Bob Dylan used to (little did he know that Dylan was only halfway through his career at that point). I was 15, so I disagreed with everything he said of course, but I really disagreed with that. And so I went up and got my River double album (you kids can find out what that is from wikipedia I expect) and put on the title track. And he really was moved by it, and we ended up sitting and just listening to the whole album. Oh, and he opened a bottle of wine and I had a glass of that (me n' Rusty!).

So glad to have that memory back.

2007-08-26 19:35:51
242.   Sam in SC
joe: "that's a situation where if you go, you have to make it".

I am so glad he pointed that out.

2007-08-26 19:37:26
243.   Sam DC
Thank Choi for that new rule about the your/you're/yore business.
2007-08-26 19:38:55
244.   Gen3Blue
Loney --line drive(or blooper) to left.

It looks very simple to me. If you can develop a player in your system that is an average or above average major league player, you can put him on the field and build a good team. If you fill a couple of slots on your team with way above average free agents, you can build a great team.

IMO Martin and Ethier are major leaguers.
with 500-1000 mlb at bats Kemp, Loney, Abrue, Hu, and LaRoche(given health) are MLB ball players.

The organization can dick around as long as McCourt will allow it to spread money through the old boy network of execs, coaches and over the hill players. But the sooner they face the future, the better off the will be.

I hate to be a pessimist, but I feel the die was cast in this game by the managing of the 4th and 5th inning and I hope I am wrong.

2007-08-26 19:39:25
245.   Bluebleeder87
either the ESPN gun is spiked or Broxton is throwing BEE BEE's I choose the latter
2007-08-26 19:39:25
246.   Sam DC
I guess we've been ogling Johan Santana a lot because the Google Ad I've got running is a Johan Santana Workout Video.
2007-08-26 19:39:55
247.   dzzrtRatt
241 That's especially poignant since one of the major themes of "The River" is how different characters respond to the legacies of their fathers.
2007-08-26 19:41:23
248.   Bluebleeder87
Broxton seems to have some rust?
2007-08-26 19:41:50
249.   Sam in SC
can they get out of this without a run?
2007-08-26 19:41:54
250.   jet
Beimel never even glanced back at the leading base stealer in the league before ptiching -- as if it would've mattered. But still, you've got to take away at least one step or two. Where's his head? Call him a cab. And not back to the hotel. There's another place in NYC that he's familiar with. I know I'm being unkind, but no way after last September should he have been with the club this September.
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2007-08-26 19:42:01
251.   dzzrtRatt
243 I prefer the Frank Zappa spelling, "yer." It works for all three.

Hoo, what a pitch!

2007-08-26 19:42:45
252.   Sam in SC
bullet. dodged.
2007-08-26 19:44:57
253.   delias man
250 - so just what lefty did you want that was available? jb is the right man for the job, no matter what happened last year.
2007-08-26 19:46:16
254.   PDH5204
237 Yes, "seen", but as in via MLB.TV on my computer. So maybe I should have said "watched on my computer."
2007-08-26 19:46:25
255.   Bluebleeder87
I just wanna face the D-Backs already, I wanna know were we're at in terms HOPE.
2007-08-26 19:47:52
256.   bhsportsguy
255 The Dodgers have 16 games before they face the D-Backs, so if they don't get a lot closer than they are tonight, those games won't mean that much in terms of the NL West race.
2007-08-26 19:47:56
257.   Sam DC
254: No, that definitely counts. That's impressive.
2007-08-26 19:50:17
258.   Gen3Blue
Morgan is very quite at the present. But that could change with the Dodgers fortunes. They keep calling Kent a "beaning", is that a good idea?
2007-08-26 19:50:43
259.   natepurcell
Interesting comments about Kershaw by Gammons.

whatd he say!!!??!

2007-08-26 19:50:58
260.   Bluebleeder87
these last 2 games were SO winnable it just frustrates you, we could have very easily had a VERY successful road trip, oh well.
2007-08-26 19:53:13
261.   jet
253 Don't have the list of available lefties during the last off-season in front of me at the moment, but I'm sure there were some. Also, the Angels (for one) got by just fine for a couple of seasons without a lefty specialist. And look at the Reds, loading up with lefty middle relievers -- that did them a lot of good. Beimel let the team down in a very unnecessary bad way that speaks to his priorities. I would've looked elsewhere. And as has been discussed infinitum, this team has bigger roster issues than middle relief. If they hadn't of been hurt, either Brazaban or Taso (sp?) would have been preferable seventh inning choices, notwithstanding the fact they don't drink lefthanded.
2007-08-26 19:53:26
262.   Andrew Shimmin
I knew there was a reason Martinez was having such a crummy year. It's because Grady wasn't talking to him like he does with the regular players.
2007-08-26 19:53:52
263.   King of the Hobos
That's at least the second time Joe has mentioned Marlon Byrd as a member of the Mets. Fortunately, someone finally gave him the memo just now.
2007-08-26 19:54:56
264.   Andrew Shimmin
259- Nothing really. Just that Grady thought he might have a spot on the roster next year. Which still seems optimistic.
2007-08-26 19:55:27
265.   LAT
Wow. I had to step out right when I thought the wheels were comming off the David Wells cart. He really bore down to get Alou and that gave the rest of the team a little kick in the butt.

Hope they win so Kemp's mistakes can be swept under the carpet. You know, like they would have been had it been Nomar or LuGo.

2007-08-26 19:58:25
266.   bhsportsguy
259 Nothing, except he should be pitching in the Dodger rotation sometime next year.
2007-08-26 19:58:48
267.   Sam in SC
shame, shame. many stem fans just got up and walked out of the ballpark. and we thought leaving before the last out of the ninth inning was an "LA thing".
2007-08-26 19:59:33
268.   PDH5204
257 I don't know that "impressive" is the word that I would use. How about substituting a phrase for a word, to wit, "glutton for punishment" [at least if one would like to see the DRays do better, as I would]. Have also seen every Dodgers game. Now back to gluttony for punishment, well, there's that "face of the team" thing and then there's the phrase or saying of the team thing, here, Carl Crawford's fitting "here we go again", said in relation to the bullpen continuing to give up DRays leads late. Lastly, not that I want to "jinx" tonight, but as the late Chick Hearn would have said, this game is in the refrigerator, the door is closed, light is out, the eggs are cooling, the butter's gettin' hard and the jellooo's jigglin'. Oh, and sorry, but we really need to sweep the Nats.
2007-08-26 20:00:35
269.   Andrew Shimmin
261- Doesn't make a difference to you that he quit drinking?
2007-08-26 20:01:03
270.   King of the Hobos
The Portland Beavers are looking to change their name, and are allowing fans to rank the 5 potential names. One of those is the Wet Sox. Are they serious? The other options are to keep Beavers, or go with Thorns, Green Sox, or Sockeyes.
2007-08-26 20:02:29
271.   Gen3Blue
Just curious, why does the offense always do nothing in this situation. Even take a decent no.of pitches?
2007-08-26 20:03:44
272.   natepurcell
Nothing, except he should be pitching in the Dodger rotation sometime next year.

I'd rather he not....

2007-08-26 20:05:03
273.   delias man
261 - Beimel didn't make any horrific baserunning mistakes, didnt lead them to one run in game 2, and his name was not maddux in game 3.

i understand being upset, as i was too, but he has been steady this year, and has been an asset to the team.

2007-08-26 20:05:50
274.   Bluebleeder87
Nice to see Saito again.
2007-08-26 20:06:03
275.   natepurcell
I want Kershaw to lower his bb rate below 3/9IP while maintaining his other peripherals before the Dodgers think about calling him up.
2007-08-26 20:06:33
276.   delias man
after all, beimel really needed to prove it to the team, not us and he is still there, so what else needs to be said?
2007-08-26 20:07:06
277.   bhsportsguy
271 Partly, though only a guess, they have a 5 hour flight and an early arrival with a game tomorrow night.
2007-08-26 20:08:26
278.   D4P
ESPN's player of the game:

2.0 WHIP
0.66 K/BB
3.6 K/9

2007-08-26 20:09:27
279.   Sam in SC
277 - having an 8:00 game on getaway day is pretty cruel, especially when you are playing across the country for a game tomorrow night
2007-08-26 20:10:13
280.   LogikReader
"The Dodgers are struggling"

Joe takes every opportunity to say this. You know what? The Dodgers were "struggling" a week ago, but they won two series before coming to NY and are on the verge of having a decent road trip.

So is that "struggling"?

2007-08-26 20:11:40
281.   Sam in SC
sammy still seems to be sammy. at least LA still has that going for them.
2007-08-26 20:11:51
282.   Bluebleeder87
Saito is making quick masterful work..
2007-08-26 20:14:03
283.   LogikReader
If this holds I still think the Dodgers did all right at Shea, despite losing the series.

The reason is, for the Mets, this is actually the first time they've won a home series in quite some time. They were due.

At this point I'm not overly concerned about the WC race... GO SAMMY!! sweet!

2007-08-26 20:14:12
284.   LAT
I'm still amazed the league hasn't "figured out" Sammy yet.
2007-08-26 20:14:16
285.   Sam in SC
K for sammy, and LA avoids the sweep . . .
2007-08-26 20:14:32
286.   Bluebleeder87
2007-08-26 20:16:06
287.   LogikReader
Dwight Schrute asks...

Question: If the Dodgers used Tomko in this game, would they have still won tonight?

2007-08-26 20:17:35
288.   JoeyP
Today's start for Wells cant possibly change anyone's opinions of him.

10 base runners in 5 innings.
The only good thing was he didnt give up any homers.

Dodgers must sweep the Nationals: Bills/Lowe/Penny--gotta win all those considering the following series is against the Padres.

2007-08-26 20:18:47
289.   LAT
287: I don;t think Tomko would have gotten Alou out,(never mind on three pitches) in the bottom of the 5th with the bases loaded.
2007-08-26 20:19:18
290.   Sam DC
So frustrating that the Nationals would get swept by the Rockies, thereby (i) losing and (ii) being of no use to the Dodgers. I can only imagine now they'll turn it around in LA where the games matter to the Dodgers yet not one whit to them, just to make things even more awkward and unpleasant for me.
2007-08-26 20:20:21
291.   Sam DC
Sure didn't take ESPN long to move on to Michael Vick.
2007-08-26 20:23:08
292.   LAT
288. It does'nt change my opinion of him. The only questions is he a better 5th starter than Tomko. Tonight I think he was.

You are correct that the Dodgers need to sweep Nats going against our three best arms. If we sweep Nats I'm hoping for Pods to sweep D'Backs. We all climb back into the race. In additon, I think we have more head to head games against the Pods.

2007-08-26 20:38:06
293.   jet
269 I wasn't aware that he'd quit drinking. However, at the risk of sounding cynical, it might've been a necessary career move. 273 Of course, I don't blame him for losing the series. But, even though it's impossible to quantify the psychological damage done to the team's collective psyche by letting his teammates down, I'm sure it was to some degree a contributing factor. It wasn't like the team rallied around him; the statements I read at the time were not exactly supportive. Yeah, he's been an asset to the team this year, and forgiveness and charity to one's fellow man are good and decent things, but I would've looked elsewhere.

No segueway here, but what a huge win!

2007-08-26 20:53:31
294.   Mark Joseph

Wells' game score: 44

2007-08-26 20:53:33
295.   Michael Green
About Wells allowing 10 baserunners in five innings: yes, but few of them scored. I remember Claude Osteen winning a lot of 10-hitters. That doesn't mean I'm on the Wells bandwagon. But if the Dodgers go all the way, we will point to that bunt as a turning point.
2007-08-26 20:54:47
296.   Daniel Zappala
No segueway here, but what a huge win!

I don't have a Segway either, but they don't work so well in the snow.

Dodgers are only 3.5 back of the WC. Crazier things have happened. I haven't given up on the team yet. Things would be much nicer if Schmidt hadn't been hurt and Wolf had regained his pre-injury form -- I had been counting on starting pitching being a strength of this team. But I'm happy with how they're in the picture, given the injuries, and still hoping for a comeback.

2007-08-26 20:55:50
297.   PDH5204
292 I am hoping that the Pads and Rattlers split. If that happens, with a sweep of the Nats, we wind up 2.0 games back of the Padres and so if we take 2 of 3 from them, we end next week 1 game back of the Pads in the Wild Card with another series against them later. That sounds better to me than trying to catch the DBacks, I mean, with a Pads sweep, we'd be 3.0 games back of the DBacks and 3.5 games back of the Pads [the Pads would assume the division lead with us gaining no ground on them in the meantime].
2007-08-26 21:07:17
298.   Bumsrap
This may have been said already but I enjoyed the look Wells gave Pierre after Reyes scored from first on a base hit to shallow left center. Wells is not the first pitcher to give Pierre a look of astonishment and anger after a run scored that shouldn't have.
2007-08-26 21:07:42
299.   Sam DC
Eric -- Thought you might find this amusing. I passed your Ritter suggestion on to the Nats crowd. Here's the intro I came up with. Curious if you're amused or appalled.

"I'm just passing this on from the DT comments. The author of this comment, Eric Enders, is a smart guy, with good taste, along the Al Green/Springsteen/Ramones/Wilco axis, if there is such an axis. He's a baseball writer too; in fact, he wrote an article that appeared in the program on Opening Day 2005 at RFK. (If you have that program, check out the photo of a 14-year-old-looking rookie Catfish Hunter that ran.)"

2007-08-26 21:10:44
300.   Bumsrap
Kemp's base running fits well with Dodger lore and makes him truly a Dodger.
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2007-08-26 21:13:13
301.   Bumsrap
Gammons said Kershaw will be in the Dodger rotation but not in September, probably as soon as next year. He also mentioned some of his strikeout stats.

Ror the record, underdog was anxious to hear what Gammons had to say.

2007-08-26 21:14:34
302.   Eric Enders
299 Bemused, maybe?

Anyway, Sam, you may be interested in reading this blog post:

2007-08-26 21:16:06
303.   Xeifrank
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vr, Xei

2007-08-26 21:16:21
304.   bhsportsguy
298 First the ball was fielded about 10 feet from the warning track, second, furcal didn't give up the hit to the opposing pitcher nor did he walk Reyes.

I swear sometimes no one even watches the game, all they want to do is dump on Pierre.

2007-08-26 21:23:58
305.   Sam DC
302 Wow, that really is awesome, the kid of story that just makes you want to be a better person.
2007-08-26 21:42:41
306.   CanuckDodger
Alberto Bastardo had a great game in San Berdoo: 8.0 IP, 6 H's, 2 ER's, 0 BB's, 10 K's. It was Inland Empire's last home game of the season. Andrew Shimmin, who loves anybody named Bastardo, probably should have been there.
2007-08-26 21:56:51
307.   trainwreck
bh, Dohn has got me really paranoid about Price and I must say I am also surprised what he said about Bateman.
2007-08-26 22:07:14
308.   trainwreck
Ok, he changed it. Not so paranoid.
2007-08-26 22:28:33
309.   LogikReader
Joey P you're being way too hard on Boomer. He was clearly pitching around some of those baserunners, like David Wright who has been red hot. Considering the rust factor and knowing how bad the road ERA was, things turned out OK.

No it isn't a masterpiece, but I was surprised in a good way that Wells was effective enough to make it through 5 innings tonight.

That doesn't mean he won't eventually get two bad back to back starts, but tonight was a good night for the blue.

2007-08-26 22:55:50
310.   Eric Enders
304 "I swear sometimes no one even watches the game, all they want to do is dump on Pierre."

I see where you're coming from, but that's a little much.

The Mets scored a run tonight which would not have scored with virtually any other arm playing center field. This is a fact and also a legitimate thing to discuss, I think.

Are you disputing the notion that the run would not have scored on another center fielder? Or are you stipulating that's true, and just annoyed that people are actually discussing it?

2007-08-26 23:04:45
311.   Robert Daeley
306 I was hoping to make that game, but too many errands and other stuff got in the way.
2007-08-26 23:23:23
312.   Jon Weisman
Friend was in from out of town, so I didn't see any of the game tonight.

Wells allowed 10 baserunners in five innings, striking out two. Stults allowed 10 baserunners in 4 2/3 innings, striking out four. Doesn't seem like there was much difference in the two performances - was there if you watched?

2007-08-26 23:30:33
313.   das411
Still catching up on a couple days of DT, but I have two quick Qs:

1) Could an organization put together a better ceremony for a retired player than the Astros did for Jeff Bagwell today? (video, gallery, etc available at

2) Have we discussed/enjoyed Mr. Kurkjian's take on the Rangers explosion the other day?

2007-08-26 23:39:16
314.   Greg Brock
It was a good night for prospects getting back-picked at third base.

Also, Lastings looks like Dwight Gooden.

2007-08-26 23:46:07
315.   Eric Enders
The Stults and Wells performances seemed about the same, except for the vague notion that Wells was more likely to actually throw the ball where he was trying to throw it.
2007-08-27 00:04:02
316.   underdog
301 I was anxious about what he had to say? I don't remember - was I?

I actually watched the game on Tivo tonight after coming back late, and have to say that was actually one of the most enjoyable Dodgers games I've watched all season - for what that's saying - outside of the times they beat the Giants up here in SF.

My take on the game?
- Seeing Wells' bunt hit was a kick and a hoot. He jumped started that inning and it was just a riot seeing him rumbling to first base.
- That and beaning Jeff Kent really seemed to rattle John Maine. He didn't pitch badly and that error by Conine didn't help but he really seemed to labor.
- On that point, this is one of the few games where the Dodgers did what many of us harp on them for not doing, which is work the count, up the pitcher's pitch count. For once!
- The game also reminded me of another reason the Dodgers have often struggled on offense this season - it's simple and we all know it, not rocket science, but Rafael Furcal. Despite Joe Morgan going on and on about how he and Pierre have done their job this season but no one's driven them home, it's not true if you look at the season overall (more true lately) and when Furcal is right and hitting well the offense has a better chance to click.
- Yeah, Gammons actually mentioned Kershaw. I don't know how true it is that he'll be in the rotation next year, but it was cool to at least hear them talk about him. Er, I mean, about the Minotaur.
- Lastings Milledge still has some things to learn about playing the outfield and running the bases.
Matt Kemp came through; I only want to see him learn to be more defensive in his at bats, when two strikes are on him, he gets caught looking on close or borderline pitches.

And Wells? Well, 48 strikes and 25 balls is pretty decent. He definitely threw them a few hittable pitches that they ripped but overall his control - as it has been in his career - was solid and I can't imagine anything near that from Brett Tomko tonight.

I wouldn't have even watched if Tomko pitched. So if nothing else, they won and he helped and that's about all I could ask for.

2007-08-27 00:08:16
317.   imperabo
Wells looked like he had very good control, but anything in the strikzone was hittable. It looks like his walks have gone up because he has to play even finer with the strikezone now. I think he pitched a little better than the 10 baserunners indicates because he was playing prevent defense in a couple of situations, and there were some bloops. It wasn't like a Tomko situation where everything is hit on the button and the only outs are line drives right at someone. It's clear he needs a good defense and a favorable park behind him to succeed though. Maybe his starts would be a good time to rest Kent and Gonzo.
2007-08-27 00:08:45
318.   underdog
And don't even get me started on Joe Morgan but I literally had to mute it several times to keep from getting agitated.

Oh, and in my Milledge comment above I meant to add, so does Matt Kemp (re running the bases).

And Juan Pierre really is hitting the ball and playing better. It may fall under the Too Little Too Late Dept., but I don't see him as much as The Problem as I used to. (They have other problems, still.)

Honestly, it won't be as easy it once would have been, but I have to hope for a sweep of the Nationals at home for their playoff chances to feel more legit.


2007-08-27 00:11:31
319.   Greg Brock
This is hilarious. Now Ken Rosenthal is doing updates on players that don't exist. I'm sure his next sideline report will be about Sidd Finch. Utter nonsense, I say.

You people and your completely fabricated pitching prospects are infecting the MSM. Stop that.

2007-08-27 00:13:27
320.   Greg Brock
By Rosenthal, I of course meant Gammons. All this national coverage is killing me.

But Rosenthal mentioned him as well. So I'm not crazy. In fact, it was a simple error and I'm insulted that you think otherwise.

2007-08-27 00:14:37
321.   Eric Enders
My final thoughts for the night:

If James McDonald's arm is healthy enough to be throwing a Double A game, then it's healthy enough to be throwing a major league one.

If Andy LaRoche is healthy enough to be throwing a Triple A game, then he's healthy enough to be playing a major league one.

2007-08-27 00:15:48
322.   Eric Enders
er, playing a Triple A game. I was not trying to imply that Andy LaRoche is the next Happy Felsch.
2007-08-27 00:16:30
323.   underdog
Btw, some of you already pointed out Morgan's inanely harping on the "Dodgers are struggling" comments but what drove me crazy is how he kept saying they needed to do what they could to "end their losing streak." Now, he could have meant that they've been losing more games than they've been winning lately and need to win badly, but their huge two game losing streak seemed like a dumb thing to keep harping on. Does he ever do more than ten seconds of research before a game?
2007-08-27 00:18:13
324.   underdog
My soccer team ended its one game winning streak tonight.

321 I'm not sure how healthy LaRoche is yet though - seems like they're easing him back into it. I really wish that Abreu was healthy, given Kent's status right now, that would be the best solution.

2007-08-27 00:19:46
325.   Greg Brock
232 Somebody should track that guy's inane ramblings and post it. Perhaps on the series of tubes. Call it "Joe Morgan is an Inferior Sports Broadcaster and Should Be Terminated Forthwith" or something to that effect.
2007-08-27 00:19:49
326.   Gen3Blue
Listening to little Joe almost almost makes me want toi slit my throat.
2007-08-27 00:21:05
327.   Eric Enders
Or his.
2007-08-27 00:23:59
328.   Greg Brock
327 Awesome
2007-08-27 00:24:15
329.   Gen3Blue
Sorry about the typos, but I'm sure you get the idea.
2007-08-27 00:25:08
330.   Gen3Blue
327,328 Just so.
2007-08-27 00:27:01
331.   Eric Enders
Some of you who are up this late need to go over to The Juice and defend the NL's honor.
2007-08-27 00:34:18
332.   Greg Brock
331 Why? As always, you're killing it. I don't feel the need to defend Woody Allen every time some half-wit tells me how he doesn't "get it."

Not understanding the NL is great. It's like people who don't like baseball in general or, dare I say it, soccer. Good. Don't like it.

I prefer to quietly judge from my imaginary ivory tower. You're doing a better job of explaining it than I ever would.

2007-08-27 00:36:06
333.   Greg Brock
331 I would add that if Scott attacks Bruce Springsteen, I'm on it.

That guy is wonderful!

2007-08-27 00:56:19
334.   Greg Brock
331 That didn't stop me from posting anyways. Stupid AL.
2007-08-27 01:06:38
335.   Greg Brock
What the heck. My first ever Toaster cycle. Me post opinion get four posts get cycle.

{High fives and various intricate clubhouse celebration rituals.}

2007-08-27 04:46:16
336.   Marty
Mets activate old friend Heart & Soul and DFA old friend Sandy Alomar.
2007-08-27 05:51:59
337.   Ken Noe
323 325 Growing up in the seventies as a LAD fan, I hated Joe Morgan and the Big Red Machine. I'm starting to think it was mutual. In addition to everything mentioned here, I'd add his constant deflating of Wells' performance ("This is fine, but we'll see how he does in his next few starts.") True enough, but an odd point on which to harp given the fun of the evening.
2007-08-27 06:11:47
338.   gpellamjr
337 My impression has always been that he dislikes the Dodgers. When he and Plaschke had it out in one of those Bonds-about-to-break-the-record ESPN broadcasts, Morgan took a pretty hard anti-Dodger stance.

One time my wife, who hates baseball, was sitting with me watching a Dodger game broadcast by Mr. Morgan. In the middle of the game, she said to me, "He really hates the Dodgers, doesn't he?"

2007-08-27 06:17:55
339.   Ken Noe
338 The final straw for me was his fawning over Bonds earlier in the summer, and especially his totally false insistence that Henry Aaron was fully behind Bonds, despite several earlier Aaron quotes to the contrary. Aaron was on the local (Montgomery AL) TV station last week and still refused to comment on Bonds, and we now know that he only made the video at Selig's request. Joe simply has no credibility. Plus while batting his flapped his army like a chicken.
2007-08-27 07:19:29
340.   Penarol1916
332. Completely agree. When it comes to soccer, the one thing I hate more than anything else, are those that try to force it onto the US and then give the soccer haters the reaction they are looking for when they bash it. Like the game, don't like the game, I don't really care, just quit with the arguing about whether or not it will ever be popular in the US at the professional level.
2007-08-27 08:38:58
341.   ToyCannon
My guess is that they plan on shutting down a tiring McDonald once the Jacksonville season ends so they didn't want to mess with the 40 man for just one start.

This might be a case of them protecting his future rather then a bad baseball decision.

We'll find out if they add him when they expand and use him, or if they shut him down.

2007-08-27 08:56:06
342.   Wilbert Robinson
341 Orenduff is starting tonight for Jacksonville. Hopefully he pitches well again and gets a call up.
2007-08-27 09:15:11
343.   underdog
Drop everything you're doing - Steve Phillips is chatting live with the masses on!
2007-08-27 09:33:29
344.   D4P
Michael Vick has "totally ask(ed) for forgiveness".
2007-08-27 09:44:11
345.   TellMeTheScoreRickMonday
338 I agree with you--and it makes the Morgan/Miller games on ESPN more annoying as both have a clear anti-Dodger bent. ESPN's HD coverage, with all the different camera angles, was pretty good indeed, though On the flipside, I could have done without all those shots of the kids in the first row behind the left-handed batters who were incessantly hamming it up.
2007-08-27 09:50:25
346.   Ken Noe
344 As a Virginia Tech grad, I'm having a very hard time with how he has embarrassed my school, especially at this juncture in time.
2007-08-27 10:00:06
347.   JoeyP
His brother Marcus hasnt represented V-Tech very well either.
2007-08-27 10:00:59
348.   Jon Weisman
New post coming up top.

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