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Starting Guns
2007-08-28 18:05
by Jon Weisman

2007 Dodger leaders in games started
(Position players including DH, through Monday)
129 Juan Pierre
120 Rafael Furcal
120 Russell Martin
111 Luis Gonzalez
110 Jeff Kent
99 Nomar Garciaparra
96 Andre Ethier
54 James Loney
44 Matt Kemp
40 Wilson Betemit
29 Ramon Martinez
27 Tony Abreu
13 Andy LaRoche
13 Mike Lieberthal
12 Shea Hillenbrand
12 Olmedo Saenz
11 Brady Clark
11 Wilson Valdez
3 Marlon Anderson
1 Mark Sweeney
1 Delwyn Young

* * *

Tonight's game:


Retro Gameday

Comments (379)
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2007-08-28 18:10:13
1.   underdog
12 is 12 too many for the Tomato.
2007-08-28 18:14:53
2.   scareduck
Additional data point re Eric Enders' tech problem: Apple now outsells Gateway in the notebook space.

2007-08-28 18:17:01
3.   Eric Enders
54 James Loney
44 Matt Kemp
40 Wilson Betemit
13 Andy LaRoche
13 Mike Lieberthal
1 Delwyn Young

129 Juan Pierre
120 Russell Martin
111 Luis Gonzalez
99 Nomar Garciaparra
29 Ramon Martinez
12 Shea Hillenbrand
11 Wilson Valdez

2007-08-28 18:18:05
4.   Telemachos
Following up scareduck on the same subject:

Apple's laptops are really solid right now; very well-made and solid, and a great value (especially the MacBook). Plus, with Bootcamp, you can run XP or Vista on 'em. I think anyone considering a new laptop should take a look at them: you get dual-booting choices, so you can keep all your legacy Windows software, if you want -- plus you get all the Mac goodies as well.

My wife's been using XP/OSX on her first-generation MacBook since they first came out, and everything works like a charm.

2007-08-28 18:21:23
5.   Vishal
[3 ] used just right:

120 Rafael Furcal
110 Jeff Kent

2007-08-28 18:24:39
6.   Bluebleeder87
I really hope Grady goes into '08 with a better plan on resting Russell Martin (I know he's one of our better hitters but still) catchers simply need more rest time, period.
2007-08-28 18:31:44
7.   PlayTwo
I heard the folks on 1090 commenting that the Padres. playing the first place team, drew only 25k last night while the Dodgers, at home to the Nats, drew 47k. Must be the Dodger Dogs.
2007-08-28 18:33:10
8.   Bluebleeder87
Jeff Kent needs to retire, did you guys read Ken Gurniks "mail bag"? the guy is sticking to his theory on Nomars arm issues (he's got a great one IMO) the only reason the guy makes bad throws is because of the weird arm angle he uses, but Nomar still has a riffle no doubt.

ps what does he say about Billingsley? (maximum effort delivery, please) I sound grumpy but I'm not, just wanted to point that out. :o)

2007-08-28 18:35:38
9.   Bob Timmermann
I thought there was an unwritten rule about saying "arm angle" on Dodger Thoughts.

It can lead to rioting.

2007-08-28 18:38:34
10.   fanerman
The worst thing about Macs is their "I'm better than you" commercials. I despise that mentality because so many people seem to have it.

I like the customization of a PC. It's a pain at times, but I'm very particular about the way I like to do things. One of these days I need to make the jump to Linux.

2007-08-28 18:44:16
11.   Bob Timmermann
But you're discounting the fact that people who do own Macs, e.g. me, are indeed better human beings than you.

I'm sorry it took a series of whimsical commercials for you to come to this realization.

Interestingly, the scanner I have at home only works on my Mac if I operate it through a Microsoft Office product. Despite the fact that the box said "Mac OS X compliant."

I hadn't felt so let down since the GPS on my rental car told me to take a wrong turn on Sunday.

2007-08-28 18:44:35
12.   Bluebleeder87

I've yet to hear about that unwritten rule? but I'll ask around.

2007-08-28 18:44:58
13.   Jon Weisman
10 - Isn't that your own way of saying "I'm better than you." ?


2007-08-28 18:47:04
14.   Bluebleeder87
You have to understand Fanerman he also drives a Prius (Hybrid) you do the math!
2007-08-28 18:48:19
15.   das411
Some serious intensity in Phila, tying the game in the bottom 8th on a hilarious little dribbler by Werth, but here comes Myers and he does not react well to non-save situations...

10 - fanerman, would that be similar to what I call the "FireFox Face" one gets right before you hear, " still use what??"?

Old Friend Marlon PHing as the final out here in the 9th...

2007-08-28 18:50:38
16.   Bob Timmermann
I also drive a Prius so I still have an edge on Fanerman.
2007-08-28 18:51:44
17.   dzzrtRatt
Man, you look at that list and the trade of Betemit just jumps out at you as a mistake. He started 1/3 of the games when he was here. As a PH, he surely was in another 1/3rd at least. He's an important missing piece of this offense -- the way this offense, in particular was constructed. I don't have a single thing against Proctor, but he wasn't worth losing the production we got from Betemit.

Betemit is gone for one reason: To unblock a place for Garciaparra. Ned old-schooled the team into third place.

2007-08-28 18:52:31
18.   fanerman
Ahhhh. This is the most attention I've received in years.

Let me try to rephrase...

1) I hate Mac commercials.
2) I like PC's because I'm anal about customization.
3) I think Macs are good computers for people who either: a) want something that works simply and mostly automatically, or b) are Unix masters. I happen to be neither of the two.

Convenience wins by default, right? Unless you really care about a particular option, you mostly just want the option that's most convenient. I just happen to care about computers. This, in fact, makes me inferior other people who have more important things to care about.

Therefore, I hate Mac commercials because they rub it in my face that I am inferior.

2007-08-28 18:52:45
19.   Icaros
Apparently, 13 games is more than enough starts. Because, according to Ken Gurnick, Andy LaRoche had every opportunity to settle in at third base, but he's now an injury question mark.
2007-08-28 18:53:26
20.   fanerman
15 Real nerds use Opera. I use Firefox because I like the extensions I've found.

16 Wrong. I don't even have a car =).

2007-08-28 18:56:54
21.   fanerman
18 And in case you're wondering*, I would like to learn Linux. However, I've had lots of hardware compatibility issues because my sound card doesn't really have drivers that work with Linux. I happen to have a very nice sound card (I like audio equipment), so being able to use it is a high priority for me.

*Well, actually, I'm sure most DTers have moved onto to bigger things than me. In that case, disregard this post.

2007-08-28 18:58:28
22.   Bluebleeder87

Ned did a radio interview about a month ago were he said the biggest disappointment of the year for him was Betemit (not exact words) I guess he was expecting plenty more from him.

2007-08-28 18:58:47
23.   Bob Timmermann
My last set of UCLA game tickets (for the game against Oregon the Saturday after Thanksgiving) have been sold and are on their merry way through FedEx. They will end up in Northridge after a trip to Memphis.
2007-08-28 19:00:43
24.   PDH5204
17 I rather highly doubt that Betemit mean the difference between 1st and 3rd. In other news, the DRays have put up 11 in the 8th and if only Josh Wilson hadn't been pinch-run-for, every DRay would have scored in the inning [one Joel Guzman scored in Wilson's place, and he's now at bat with a runner on 1st and two down].
2007-08-28 19:01:03
25.   GoBears
17. Yup.
2007-08-28 19:01:47
26.   scareduck
11 - But you're discounting the fact that people who do own Macs, e.g. me, are indeed better human beings than you.

Yes, exactly. But who am us, anyway?

2007-08-28 19:03:08
27.   scareduck
21 - what card is that?
2007-08-28 19:04:39
28.   fanerman
21 It's an M-Audio Revolution, but it's been modded with a nicer DAC, fancy capacitors, and RCA outputs. There are better cards out there, but I've stopped buying that sort of equipment, so I'd prefer to keep using it.
2007-08-28 19:04:52
29.   fanerman
28 That 21 should be a 27.
2007-08-28 19:05:11
30.   PDH5204
24 Excuse me, Greg Norton pinch hit for Wilson and then Guzman pinch ran for Norton.
2007-08-28 19:10:34
31.   Bluebleeder87
Zona strikes first 1-0 with 2 outs & a man at 3rd.
2007-08-28 19:13:47
32.   Bob Timmermann
Wilson Betemit is now 9 for 46 with the Yankees.

He has four walks and three homers.

2007-08-28 19:16:45
33.   das411

(off of Mota no less!)

2007-08-28 19:21:24
34.   Gen3Blue
Sam. you here? Are these guys this potent or are our pitchers throwing meatballs? 3 homers last night and this.
2007-08-28 19:21:28
35.   El Lay Dave
6 I would like to see Martin DH more in the interleague road games, but if Kent exercises his option, he'll get some of those, I'll bet.
2007-08-28 19:23:17
36.   Bluebleeder87
I hope Bills throws pure fastball in Ronnie Bellieard (sp)
2007-08-28 19:24:09
37.   ucladodger
great catch by James to save 2 runs. That was a really difficult play.
2007-08-28 19:25:45
38.   El Lay Dave
26 pitches is too many, but that inning could have been worse. On the bright side, 17 were strikes and the HBP were third and fourth pitches of the respective PAs.
2007-08-28 19:25:53
39.   Bluebleeder87

it sounds like a good plan but I really doubt Jeff Kent will exercise his option, I'm pretty sure he'll be playing 2nd base for us in '08.

2007-08-28 19:28:23
40.   Gen3Blue
Nice play by Loney--when will we get a summary of that fancy defensive survey.
2007-08-28 19:31:41
41.   Gen3Blue
Andre may have been safe but the Caps executed so well I have no argument.
2007-08-28 19:32:31
42.   Bluebleeder87

Loneys got great hands. I don't know, I think Jon just gave us the link for fun.

2007-08-28 19:33:37
43.   Jimi Shelter
26. Yes, exactly. But who am us, anyway?

And, how can you be in two places at once, when you're not anywhere at all?

(Here's hoping I got your Firesign Theatre ref right).

2007-08-28 19:34:28
44.   Bob Timmermann
Scareduck and Seitz will likely have their feud picked up again after tonight's outing by Ervin Santana in Seattle.
2007-08-28 19:36:55
45.   Gen3Blue
42 I just knew it!

Nook-love that tag.

2007-08-28 19:37:25
46.   natepurcell
andddd we're off to a 0-1 loss for Chad!
2007-08-28 19:37:26
47.   Eric Stephen
OF playing time distribution of the primary 4 Dodger OF in August (25 games entering tonight):

Pierre - 25 starts, .353/.383/.431 in 109 PA
Ethier - 19 starts (24g), .278/.333/.528 in 81 PA
Gonzo - 15 starts (20g), .237/.313/.339 in 67 PA
Kemp - 14 starts (21g), .333/.343/.492 in 67 PA

Tonight is Pierre's 72nd straight start, and he has started in 130 of 132 games this season.

2007-08-28 19:37:36
48.   Bluebleeder87
I just peaked at the Zona vs San Diego game & it's 2-1 Padres now, with Webb pitching non the less!
2007-08-28 19:38:01
49.   Gen3Blue
Ohh--you mean Nancy!
2007-08-28 19:41:27
50.   Gen3Blue
Its kind of sad that Martin might be leading in starts if we didn't have the iron man on our team.
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2007-08-28 19:44:52
51.   natepurcell
martin has been walking a ton lately.
2007-08-28 19:46:06
52.   DodgerBakers
quick question, Gameday says Kemp is playing 2nd? Did they mean Kent?


2007-08-28 19:46:34
53.   Eric Stephen
Scully's call of Kent's 50-foot single there included "little nubber up along 3rd," which immediately brought to mind his excellent call of Game 6 of the 1986 NLCS.

"BEHIND THE BAG!" is my favorite non-Dodger Scully call of all time, and if I weren't so emotionally attached to October 15, 1988, it might be my favorite call ever. His voice as he shouts "here comes Knight and the Mets win it" captures the drama perfectly and is just superb.

Other great Scully calls that are always in my head:

-"2 and 2 to Harvey Kuenn..."
-"Hershiser looks in to make, what he hopes, will be his last pitch...fastball, got him lookin!"
-"...look who's coming up..."
-"Caught!" (The Dwight Clark game of all things)
-"if you have a sombrero, throw it to the sky"

2007-08-28 19:46:40
54.   Bluebleeder87
Hillenbrand don't fail me now!
2007-08-28 19:47:14
55.   El Lay Dave
52 Yes.
2007-08-28 19:47:25
56.   Bluebleeder87

typo I guess, It's Kent playing 2nd base.

2007-08-28 19:47:26
57.   Jimi Shelter
Ohhh---you mean the old same place!

C'mon, Shea!

2007-08-28 19:47:44
58.   El Lay Dave
Lucille II would hit a two-run single here. ;)
2007-08-28 19:47:53
59.   Gen3Blue
I had to erase my next comment.
2007-08-28 19:48:46
60.   El Lay Dave
And, amazingly, Hillendbrand does too!
2007-08-28 19:49:31
61.   Jimi Shelter
Careful, Loney. I don't want to hear Kevin Kennedy talking about your baserunning tonight!
2007-08-28 19:50:49
62.   El Lay Dave
61 I don't want to hear Kevin Kennedy talk about anything ever.
2007-08-28 19:51:05
63.   D4P
I don't think you should bunt on a 2-0 pitch.
2007-08-28 19:56:07
64.   Gen3Blue
You can wait in the sitting room...or sit in the waiting room.

I was hoping to get a bit more out of that second inning "World's Fair".

2007-08-28 19:58:17
65.   Sam DC
Just got in from watching the Red Sox/Yankees game with a friend. Wow, where the heck did Joba Chamberlain come from?

Bergmann is all over the place it seems.

2007-08-28 20:01:37
66.   Jimi Shelter
Time to cut him off at the past, Bills.
2007-08-28 20:02:45
67.   Gen3Blue
Sam, your guys are in pretty good shape.
They're either some pretty good young hitters, or Bills is throwing fluff.
2007-08-28 20:03:32
68.   Bluebleeder87
Looks like we got away with one...
2007-08-28 20:05:48
69.   Gen3Blue
Wow, you rarely see that bad a bunt.
2007-08-28 20:08:31
70.   natepurcell
that was very grizzly, veteran.
2007-08-28 20:09:07
71.   Eric Stephen
68 I thought Loney got his foot back on the bag in time. It was certainly close though.

Nice HR by Kent there, to pass Shooter McGavin on the all-time HR list.

2007-08-28 20:09:35
72.   Jimi Shelter
2007-08-28 20:09:38
73.   Jimi Shelter
2007-08-28 20:12:38
74.   overkill94
Man, I was expecting to see more kudos for Kent's double play last inning, I thought for sure it was going up the middle for a single and was really surprised that Kent not only knocked it down but got a double play out of it.
2007-08-28 20:13:20
75.   Bluebleeder87

It was a close call, it could have gone both ways, it's good it went our way.

2007-08-28 20:14:03
76.   blue22
71 - Shooter McGavin = Joe DiMaggio?
2007-08-28 20:14:16
77.   King of the Hobos
From today's notes:

"He's a threat to hit the ball out of the park and he's a threat to get base hits," said Little of Kemp. "He's exciting on the bases, at times you'll see a throw coming to the plate and he'll outrun the ball. He has a world of talent."

Also, as long as they're healthy, Abreu and Laroche will be here in September, although it doesn't sound like they will be here any sooner.

2007-08-28 20:15:08
78.   Jon Weisman
Looks like LaRoche and Garciaparra will return at about the same time.
2007-08-28 20:16:13
79.   blue22
76 - Ah, a "Bronx is Burning" reference. Nice one.
2007-08-28 20:16:35
80.   Eric Stephen
76 Christopher McDonald played both men, in Happy Gilmore and The Bronx is Burning, respectively.
2007-08-28 20:16:40
81.   Bluebleeder87
Kind of a weird triple from Bellieard.
2007-08-28 20:18:40
82.   Greg Brock
80 And also played Mel Allen in 61*

How about that? (obligatory)

2007-08-28 20:18:55
83.   Reddog
Does Kemp throw him out there?
2007-08-28 20:19:04
84.   natepurcell
belliard wouldn't have scored if we had ethier or kemp out there.
2007-08-28 20:19:27
85.   dagwich
Uh oh, Firesign lines are being dropped. Watch out. "Everything you know is wrong" -- certainly applies to Colletti.
2007-08-28 20:19:53
86.   Gen3Blue
Sam, you got reason for hope. Some of these guys can really smack it.
2007-08-28 20:20:17
87.   Eric Stephen
82 The thing I remember most about 61* (besides Barry Pepper looking remarkably similar to Maris) was the kink in Tom Candiotti's neck in his portrayal of Hoyt Wilhelm.
2007-08-28 20:21:17
88.   Bluebleeder87
man, La Roche is having a bad start to what should be a good career, with the shoulder injury last year & a disk problem this year, man!
2007-08-28 20:24:44
89.   Bluebleeder87
reading the L.A Times today it looks like Gonzalez is gonna stick around for a while, good thing it won't be with the Dodgers.
2007-08-28 20:25:44
90.   Gen3Blue
88 I know, early on he looked to surpass his brother, but now the odds are very small he will ever see the majors.
2007-08-28 20:26:52
91.   Sam DC
Climb aboard Gen3Blue -- although they do manage to be last in the majors in OPS and runs scored.
2007-08-28 20:27:10
92.   Jon Weisman
90 - I'll take those odds. He has already seen the majors, and he will see them again next week.
2007-08-28 20:28:45
93.   King of the Hobos
The Atkins/Sexton combo were once again impressive for Great Lakes.

Adkins: 3 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 3 BB, 5 K
Sexton: 5 IP, 5 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 5 K

Abreu already has 2 hits, including a double. Laroche has been hit by a pitch, and Young and Hu each have a single apiece.

2007-08-28 20:31:10
94.   Eric Stephen
90 Really? I'd be shocked if he doesn't get at least 250 PA in 2008. If not with the Dodgers, he will with some team.
2007-08-28 20:32:22
95.   natepurcell
but now the odds are very small he will ever see the majors.

thats a tad pessimistic. Most likely he's going to be the starting 3b next year.

2007-08-28 20:32:48
96.   Gen3Blue
92 Jon I hope you are right. I have too many years of seeing bad outcomes.
2007-08-28 20:33:11
97.   natepurcell

sexton has really grabbed my attention. that k/bb ratio is sexy. scouts say he is alot like bronson arroyo right now. He's 6'6 and pretty skinny so if he could add weight, he could out to be something.

2007-08-28 20:34:25
98.   Gen3Blue
95 and Nate too, lord I hope anyone but me is right. Whats in the bag --Danger?
2007-08-28 20:39:24
99.   Bluebleeder87
I wonder if Bob or anybody else saw the Total Eclipse yesterday.
2007-08-28 20:41:56
100.   Eric Stephen
Furcal and Kent have been a busy duo tonight!
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2007-08-28 20:42:14
101.   Bluebleeder87
Kent almost messed that one up.
2007-08-28 20:42:59
102.   King of the Hobos
Cameron homers to tie it up 3-3 in San Diego.
2007-08-28 20:45:50
103.   Gen3Blue
I don't care to review the play at first. As for the eclipse, I looked at 2:00am nothing, and fell asleep til 5:00am--nothing, from what others said on the E. coast it was impossible to see any of it here.
2007-08-28 20:49:07
104.   Eric Stephen
Khalil Greene's single makes it 4-3 Padres.
2007-08-28 20:50:12
105.   Andrew Shimmin
I stayed up for the eclipse. Was flagging by two, but went for a walk, and got to enjoy full eclipsilation. First time in a long while I regretted selling my telescope.
2007-08-28 20:50:14
106.   Eric Stephen
Martin is either great at masking pain, or he is the toughest man alive.

Probably both.

2007-08-28 20:50:25
107.   sydneydodger
we (Sydney Australia) had a great view of the eclipse at around 7.30 till 10 last night. Got a great blood orange moon.
2007-08-28 20:52:10
108.   Gen3Blue
So Bergmann is still in there. We are slipping in our goal of getting into bullpens.
2007-08-28 20:53:54
109.   Eric Stephen
The Padres refuse to make an out in the 6th.
2007-08-28 20:54:15
110.   Gen3Blue
106 definitely both! I can't imagine the aches he lives with.
2007-08-28 20:54:51
111.   Icaros
Mmm...blood orange.
2007-08-28 20:55:56
112.   Marty
106 Kent has got to get some toughness points for not missing a game after a beaning and being productive to boot. I've got to stand up and clap for him.
2007-08-28 20:55:58
113.   Eric Stephen
Sure, I wish he never, ever put on a Dodger uniform, but that was a heck of play by Hillenbrand.
2007-08-28 20:56:31
114.   Jimi Shelter
With all these Firesign refs, I thought we'd see Procter & Bergmann in the same inning....
2007-08-28 20:56:56
115.   dagwich
111 No doubt being from Oz he meant "bloody orange".
2007-08-28 20:57:20
116.   Sam DC
That'd be Batista's first home run this year I believe.
2007-08-28 20:57:39
117.   Eric Stephen
Wow, that was anticlimactic.

An opposite field HR with that batting stance?

2007-08-28 20:57:40
118.   natepurcell
2007-08-28 20:58:14
119.   Jimi Shelter
Ouch! I'm too tired for a tie. Let's go, Dodgers!
2007-08-28 20:58:16
120.   Gen3Blue
Oh heck. Bills can throw at least 120 as that has been his style. I've been trying to put down Hillenbran all night, and he has become a Loney tonight, and deserves much better treatment.
Sam you have a bunch of rakers from what I can see.
2007-08-28 20:58:28
121.   Frip
K, we got ourselves a ballgame.
2007-08-28 20:58:51
122.   scareduck
Well, hidee ho.
2007-08-28 20:59:12
123.   Sam DC
The Nats chatters now wonder if Ned Colletti might be interested in Tony Batista's veteran prowess.
2007-08-28 20:59:31
124.   Eric Stephen
Perfect opportunity for Kemp to pinch HR for Billingsley in the bottom of the 7th, then take over for Gonzo in LF.
2007-08-28 20:59:47
125.   confucius
Good grief.
2007-08-28 21:00:26
126.   scareduck
Perhaps we can hope that JPie will crash himself into oblivion.

What a bad route to the ball.

2007-08-28 21:02:14
127.   Bluebleeder87
105 ,107

I was probably snoring & drooling while you guys enjoyed the eclipse, I wanted to stay up though!

2007-08-28 21:05:08
128.   Gen3Blue
If we can stay tied, what do you do? Once you go through Biemel, Broxton and Saito, where do you go-should you use these guys if you are tied? I guess I am glad it is not my decision.

I also guess I am for the Pads over the D-backs for now. When do you change? Who knows! Who cares! Will Doc technical help Mark Time?

2007-08-28 21:07:26
129.   Bluebleeder87
I wonder if we can Eclipse the Nats.
2007-08-28 21:09:17
130.   Bluebleeder87

I'd go with those 3, every game counts now, so yeah I'd go with Beimel (Seanez), Broxton, & Saito

2007-08-28 21:09:39
131.   Eric Stephen
and looks who's coming up.
2007-08-28 21:10:11
132.   Eric Stephen
Speaking of perfect opportunity to pinch hit with comes the lefty.
2007-08-28 21:10:45
133.   Marty
I don't think Ray King has missed too many meals.
2007-08-28 21:12:36
134.   Bluebleeder87
call me crazy but I would have pitched hit for Pierre.
2007-08-28 21:13:28
135.   ucladodger
Lopez is a gawd-awful fielder
2007-08-28 21:13:29
136.   Eric Stephen
Felipe Lopez has not looked good defensively tonight. He's much worse than Felipe Jordan.
2007-08-28 21:13:37
137.   dagwich
Ray King's Gameday picture is downright scary.
2007-08-28 21:14:05
138.   Eric Stephen
134 Crazy!
2007-08-28 21:14:18
139.   Gen3Blue
130 I agree. But I'm losing concentration to these old recordings

G-U-R-U and we are all bozo's on this Buss
Including Lopez, who doesn't look like a SS tonight.

2007-08-28 21:15:05
140.   JT Dutch
... First pitch to Andre was clearly outside, according to Gameday.
2007-08-28 21:16:02
141.   Andrew Shimmin
133- He's not fat; he's thick.
2007-08-28 21:16:33
142.   clopez
he turned that into a great AB
2007-08-28 21:16:45
143.   Bluebleeder87
There is an athletic specimen pitching right now.
2007-08-28 21:16:52
144.   natepurcell
nice hitting andre.
2007-08-28 21:16:55
145.   Jimi Shelter
Atta boy, Andre!
2007-08-28 21:17:11
146.   fanerman
He came through!
2007-08-28 21:17:27
147.   fanerman
That was a Good Piece Of Hitting™
2007-08-28 21:18:13
148.   Gen3Blue
That is value, in the form of a guy who can slice three fouls before inducing an error. Ethier is full of value that doesn't always show.
2007-08-28 21:18:43
149.   Bob Timmermann
Yellow alert for Conor Jackson.

This is a yellow alert.

2007-08-28 21:19:02
150.   alexx
Would you rather have Billingsley or Matt Cain on your team for the next five years?
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2007-08-28 21:20:48
151.   Eric Stephen
150 Billingsley, but mostly since I already bought a jersey. They are both going to be very good.
2007-08-28 21:21:11
152.   dagwich
Gen3Blue -- for Ethier's quality at bat go reward yourself with some of Mudhead's school spirit. I think I will.
2007-08-28 21:21:27
153.   Sam DC
I need sleep.
2007-08-28 21:22:01
154.   alexx
From what I've seen, Cain relies on his fastball even more than Billingsley, for what it's worth. Cain's fastball has lots of tailing and rising action.
2007-08-28 21:22:14
155.   Sam DC
Bob Carpenter goes with "Cal Berkeley" if anyone was wondering.
2007-08-28 21:25:31
156.   Bob Timmermann
Bob Carpenter doesn't work Pac-10 basketball. He doesn't go farther than the MWC or WAC.
2007-08-28 21:25:48
157.   dagwich
153 Amen, brother. I won't be the easternmost in quality at work later today (~7 hrs from now).
2007-08-28 21:26:21
158.   Eric Stephen
Hachi machi! I knew Milton Bradley was hitting well with the Padres, but I didn't know he was doing this well! Here are his numbers, through right now:

.352/.449/.657 in 127 PA.

2007-08-28 21:27:07
159.   Gen3Blue
152 wan't a snort-- its in the rumble seat. As you probably are fully aware.
2007-08-28 21:27:20
160.   Dodgers49
You would think Jeff Kent was the model for the Gameday batter because his stance looks exactly like the one they use.
2007-08-28 21:27:27
161.   Bluebleeder87

I haven't seen him all that much but I saw him take a no-no to the 8th & when he has his good fastball watch out, but like I said haven't seen much of him.

2007-08-28 21:29:28
162.   Eric Stephen
It would be cool if Gameday had various stances, including freak ones like Tony Batista's.
2007-08-28 21:29:49
163.   Jon Weisman
158 - Someone didn't read Fungoes yesterday :(
2007-08-28 21:31:30
164.   Bob Timmermann
Someday Fungoes will be as unread as often as The Griddle.

Dream large, Jon.

Dream large.

2007-08-28 21:34:08
165.   Eric Stephen
163 Sorry Jon. I was busy reading The Griddle.

Actually, I've been pretty swamped at work and have been in and out of Dodger Thoughts.

2007-08-28 21:36:21
166.   Greg Brock
164 1/3 of your fanbase disagrees with that statement.

I don't know how the other two guys feel. but everybody else is missing out.

2007-08-28 21:37:35
167.   Bob Timmermann
I believe the Dodgers record for doubles by a catcher in a season is 33 by Roy Campanella in 1951.

Martin is now 5 short.

2007-08-28 21:38:57
168.   Frip
When it's a one run difference, with our bad luck, I wouldn't call what we need an insurance run, like Steiner keeps doing. Getting a run right now is almost a must.
2007-08-28 21:39:26
169.   King of the Hobos
167 Mike Piazza hit 38 one season, although only 5 were for the Dodgers.
2007-08-28 21:39:31
170.   Bluebleeder87
come on Furcal we need that run.
2007-08-28 21:41:57
171.   Bluebleeder87
o.k. what just happened there?

Martin is probably more embarrassed than anything else.

2007-08-28 21:42:09
172.   Greg Brock
I'm pretty sick of getting back-picked.

Why? WHY?


2007-08-28 21:42:33
173.   Icaros
Why does this stupid type of baserunning happen literally every game?
2007-08-28 21:42:48
174.   Slipstream
He missed the tag!
2007-08-28 21:43:28
175.   King of the Hobos
Well, at least it wasn't Kemp's error.
2007-08-28 21:43:30
176.   Andrew Shimmin
I could fix all of these base running gaffs in one afternoon with a hot glue gun and a cricket bat. Just stand still you nutcases!
2007-08-28 21:44:01
177.   Nagman
Apparently Tall Chris Young will pitch against the Dbacks on Thursday. Friday's starter vs. the Dodgers is unannounced but the candidates are Hensley, Ledezma, or somebody from Triple-A. Hensley can only pitch if somebody goes on the DL (he is not on the 25-man right now having been sent down a few days ago). Still, we face Peavy on Saturday (and Germano on Sunday).

May have gotten a break not facing Young but I remember a game late in the season last year that I prematurely put in the W column because we were facing a just recalled Tim Stauffer.

2007-08-28 21:48:37
178.   Eric Stephen
I hope the Dodgers on Sunday get a similar result to the last time Billingsley started against Germano.
2007-08-28 21:49:20
179.   Bluebleeder87
Hahaha, Martin went around D'Angelo Jimenez to make that catch, kind of funny.
2007-08-28 21:49:27
180.   Bob Timmermann
If the tag was missed (and I don't think it was), Martin went out of the basepaths anyway.
2007-08-28 21:51:52
181.   Gen3Blue
Sammy smile 18 pitches oh well oh yeah
2007-08-28 21:52:04
182.   BlueCrew Bruin

Cue Greg Brock...

2007-08-28 21:52:23
183.   Greg Brock
We win!

Nats lose again :-(

2007-08-28 21:52:47
184.   Eric Stephen
How in the world did the Dodgers luck into following Gagne almost immediately with Saito?

Chad improves to 2-5 since my jersey purchase, with a 3.73 ERA during that span.

2007-08-28 21:53:21
185.   Bluebleeder87
man, I just checked my little Dodger calender & we play the Pads/Mads this weekend.
2007-08-28 21:54:05
186.   LeeLacy
I know this has been said about a million times before, but it needs to be said again: Man, is Saito fun to watch pitch! His stuff is just devastating, and his enthusiasm is absolutely infectious.
2007-08-28 21:54:42
187.   Eric Stephen
I want ESPN to do a miniseries on the 1978 World Series next, called "The Bronx is Cheating"
2007-08-28 21:55:07
188.   Nagman
At this point our rooting interests in the rest of the Padre-Dbacks is murky, isn't it? Doesn't seem to matter who wins the next two (as long as the Dodgers win tomorrow).
2007-08-28 21:56:28
189.   Gen3Blue
They dig a little hole for it, and it doesn't matter anyway.

We Win!!!!

2007-08-28 22:01:29
190.   Greg Brock
Kevin Kennedy ripping Manny Acta for not running into outs. Hi-larious.

Current occupations:
Manny Acta--Manager
Kennedy--Dodgers Spokesmouth

2007-08-28 22:01:46
191.   Bob Timmermann
Watching the Halos-M's game, I again ask why the Big 10 Network advertises on local West Coast TV networks.

Who cares that much out here to want that on their cable system?

2007-08-28 22:03:25
192.   Gen3Blue
The opposition is very murky. If we keep winning, we really can ignore what's going on because it won't help unless we keep on winning. But Doc. Technical..he's so old and stupid.
2007-08-28 22:05:32
193.   Dodgers49
188. I'll be rooting for the Padres. I'll continue to believe we're going to win the division until the magic numbers say otherwise.
2007-08-28 22:08:48
194.   Greg Brock
Oooh...A Mark Sweeney interview.

"Mark, it is easier to get pinch-hits now that you are unable to hide you amphetamines in Barry Bonds' locker? I assume it's more difficult. Thoughts?"

2007-08-28 22:09:11
195.   Bob Timmermann
But if the Padres win the next two against AZ, they'll be in first place.
2007-08-28 22:09:51
196.   scareduck
194 - LOL!
2007-08-28 22:11:22
197.   Gagne55
With Penny going tomorrow, a sweep appears likely. Unfortunately, that means Penny will not pitch in the San Diego series. And that series is going to be HUGE!
2007-08-28 22:12:08
198.   Dodgers49
195. True. And then we can sweep the Padres while the Dbacks lose and we'll have a real horse race.
2007-08-28 22:12:32
199.   Dodgers49
Another excellent appearance for Meloan:

Las Vegas
Pollok 4.0 8 5 5 2 3 1 5.59
Hoorelbeke 3.0 2 0 0 1 0 0 5.71
Meloan 2.0 0 0 0 0 3 0 1.69
Riley 1.1 2 3 3 2 0 0 6.89
Fussell 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 6.06

2007-08-28 22:15:46
200.   Frip
Kennedy must be shopping himself as a potential manager, otherwise I can't explain his hyper critical commentary lately. (Mind you, not smart, just critical).
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2007-08-28 22:16:39
201.   Bob Timmermann
The Dodgers haven't swept a series in San Diego since 6/28-7/1/2001. The four wins were by Gio Carrara, Jeff Williams, Matt Herges, and Kevin Brown.
2007-08-28 22:19:20
202.   Eric Enders
Great win tonight. I sure do love watching Billingsley pitch.

For those who were a part of "Eclipse Thoughts" last night, here's my attempt at photographing the event.

2007-08-28 22:21:19
203.   Greg Brock
Listening to Lyons and Kennedy, I'm reminded of a game my friends and I have called "Cliche" in which you must speak in only sports cliches. Whoever fails first loses.

It's a fun game. You have to really want to win it. There's no trophy for second best. And you have to take it one game at a time.

2007-08-28 22:26:26
204.   Frip
203 Agreed. However Kennedy is worse that way than Lyons that way.

I have to say, it must be hard talking baseball every day for hours...a simple game...and trying to come up with new ways to state the obvious.

2007-08-28 22:27:35
205.   Dodgers49
201. Then we're overdue. :-)
2007-08-28 22:28:05
206.   Dodgers49
>> According to Little, if Abreu continues to show that he is healthy, he will most likely be one of the players called up in September. <<

## LaRoche struggled with the Dodgers when he was called up in early May, but according to Little, if he proves to be healthy, he will be another September callup. ##

%% According to Little, Garciaparra will test his left calf when the team hits the road to play the San Diego Padres, and he could be activated as soon as next week. %%

2007-08-28 22:29:17
207.   fanerman
For those of you who were interested in the lunar eclipse, there will be a meteor shower this weekend. And it'll be just as late/early!

2007-08-28 22:30:46
208.   Gagne55
Looking up this Shawn Hill guy we're facing tomorrow. He has really good numbers for I guy I'd never heard of.
2007-08-28 22:32:10
209.   Dodgers49
If the Dodgers win tomorrow and the Padres also win we'll be equal distance from both the Padres and Dbacks (3.5 games). I still believe we'll pass both of them.
2007-08-28 22:33:35
210.   Frip
202 Nice photos Eric. Last night my girlfriend tried to say something romantic about about how nice it would be to watch it, and like a dolt I went on about how there can be nothing romantic about a lunar eclipse. I see from your photos I was wrong.
2007-08-28 22:38:48
211.   Gagne55
I still believe we'll pass both of them.

That's the spirit!

2007-08-28 22:42:34
212.   capdodger
210 Don't dispair! Here's your heads up for next time: .
(Caution: .mil URL. In case you don't want them knowing where you are.)
2007-08-28 22:45:46
213.   bhsportsguy
Great game, I spent 7.5 innings with Toy Cannon, discussing the game, prospects and wonders of the cushioned seat at Dodger Stadium.

If Jeff Kent and Russell Martin can it going, maybe this team has a chance. Nice game by Chad Billingsley, he settled down and threw only 74 pitches in his last 6 innings. More importantly, if Brad can pitch a strong game, the bullpen is set for Wells on Friday.

At this point, I think we just need to worry about ourselves, if we win, we pick up ground on somebody.

2007-08-28 22:46:25
214.   Dodgers49
The 51s lost in 11 innings. Abreu went 3 for 6 while LaRoche went 0 for 4.
2007-08-28 22:46:57
215.   King of the Hobos
208 That describes him pretty well, as he's very injury prone. At 26, he's never thrown more than 147 innings in any given season, and has only twice made it above 100. He's a groundball pitcher with good control, who doesn't give up any homers. He's given up 22 in over 600 IP for his professional career. As a comparison, Broxton, who is also ridiculously good at not giving up homers, has given up 20 in 461 professional innings. I wouldn't expect either team to score many runs tomorrow (cue the 9-7 onslaught tomorrow).
2007-08-28 22:48:26
216.   imperabo
I think there's too much pining for Betemit going around. He's a 27 year old who's never done anything exceptional at any level of pro ball. He's a corner infielder who OPSed below 800 in his time as a Dodger. If LaRoche hadn't gone down I doubt we'd miss him it all. Just because he may or may not be better than some alternatives doesn't make him a star.
2007-08-28 22:57:54
217.   Jon Weisman
Betemit is 25, and no one has said he was a star. His weaknesses have been acknowledged by his biggest fans. He doesn't need to be a star to have been valuable to this team. Being third on the team in slugging percentage is exceptional in this context.
2007-08-28 22:59:17
218.   fanerman
Betemit is sort of like Hee Seop Choi. Except better. And DT isn't as attached to him.
2007-08-28 22:59:21
219.   Linkmeister
202 Eric, those pictures are spectacular. I tried a few (it happened between 10:52pm and 1:22am local time) with my film camera (Canon A-1 SLR) and the shutter speed must have been around 3 seconds. No bets on how steady I held the camera.

Trouble is, I now have 10 shots taken on a 24-shot roll. This always happens to me when I use film.

2007-08-28 23:06:21
220.   ToyCannon
At least get your age right. He's 25.
From Baseball Reference:Born November 2, 1981 in Santo Domingo,
From Baseball Cube: Born: November 2, 1981 Santo Domingo,Dominican Republic
At the age of 19 in AA he posted a 900 OPS as a SS and was the number one prospect in the Brave organization. If that is not exceptional, your standards are to high for me.
2007-08-28 23:10:30
221.   ToyCannon
The play by Shea was awesome tonight. What a rocket.
I've now seen him get six hits in two games. To bad I don't have another game until we know if were still in the race.

Spending a night at the ballgame with a fellow DT poster as bright as BHSPORTSGUY is priceless.

2007-08-28 23:21:21
222.   Greg Brock
I often pine for patience and power 25 year old switch hitters that can play every infield position. They don't grow on trees you see.

But his batting average was too low.

2007-08-28 23:24:09
223.   bhsportsguy
221 Thanks for the sandwich and thanks to LAT for the seats, my other friends enjoyed them greatly.

And I finally reached .500 for the season at 12-12.

2007-08-28 23:24:35
224.   Greg Brock
Belay my last. Betemit can only play third. It's the stupid Yankees who play him at every infield position except catcher. What do they know?
2007-08-28 23:25:43
225.   trainwreck
Apparently the love of Brock's life, the crazy, diaper wearing astronaut, is saying that the Chinese government told her to do it all.
2007-08-28 23:26:10
226.   bigcpa
Accd to Keith Law, Logan White is among a list of 4 candidates for Astros GM.
2007-08-28 23:28:05
227.   King of the Hobos
226 Not good. How about we just promote White to GM, kill 2 birds with one stone.
2007-08-28 23:28:54
228.   fanerman
226 I'm not listening! LA LA LA LA LA!
2007-08-28 23:31:04
229.   Greg Brock
225 Prove that she wasn't brainwashed. I bet you can't.

226 Baseball is the antithesis of a meritocracy. He won't get the job because, well, he hasn't proven himself.

2007-08-28 23:31:09
230.   King of the Hobos
226 Who were the other 3?
2007-08-28 23:43:51
231.   bhsportsguy
226 Former Dodgers GM Dan Evans; former Tigers GM Randy Smith (son of Astros team president and interim GM Tal Smith); Dodgers assistant GM Logan White; and Dan Jennings, the Marlins' VP of player personnel.

While I think (and you may call me crazy) Kim Ng would be a bigger loss to the club and I think she should be on that short list because her skill set is much more closer to what clubs need in a GM than Logan White, who may have a great eye for unrefined talent and potential, has not had a position to demonstrate some of the other skills that Jon had in an earlier thread.

Logan White as a GM is not going to be scouting amateur players or going to the Dominican to see some 16 year old shortstop, he is going to have figure out if the Astros need to trade Oswalt and Berkman to build up their farm system, find a buyer for Carlos Lee and stop signing free agents. But he will also now be wearing the hat of having to produce today (its unavoidable) and not have the same luxury of time like his draft picks do to develop and grow into the job.

That all said, I think they go with guy in Florida.

2007-08-28 23:50:30
232.   Eric Enders
Yeah, this is where all this gibberish comes in handy. Come on, Astros. White is unproven and inexperienced. He doesn't have that veteran savvy. He doesn't have that rapport with the media and he darn sure doesn't have a sweet mustache.

Logan: Have you completely taken leave of your senses, good man? This is the Houston Astros we're talking about here. The same Houston Astros who, under dictates from ownership, spent only $536,000 on the draft this year -- the only team to spend less than $1.3 million. A team which has willfully and deliberately dismantled its farm system. A franchise for which "player development" means hiring as many of Craig Biggio's pals as can fit into a uniform.

This is also Houston we're talking about. Houston leads the nation in two important things. It's been officially named America's fattest city, and it's officially been named America's sweatiest city. And I will personally vouch for the fact that it's America's ugliest city.

This is a city where the entrance to the ballpark is decorated with -- and I'm being completely serious here -- a pewter engraving of Dick Cheney's face. This is a city where zoning laws do not exist; a city where your kid's school will be bordered by a pawn shop on one side and a theater showing "The Devil Wears Nada" on the other. You do not want to move to Houston, my friend. You do not want to think about it. You do not want to even visit.

2007-08-28 23:50:57
233.   King of the Hobos
231 I wonder how accurate that is. Tal Smith has pretty much denied that Randy will have any consideration:

"I want to be set the record straight and be completely clear on this, because there's been some erroneous reporting," Tal Smith said. "Randy is not a candidate. [Astros chairman] Drayton [McLane] and I talked about it and we agreed that it wouldn't be appropriate."

But really, out side of Smith, who has proven himself incompetent as a GM, any of those other 3 guys should prove to be a good GM.

2007-08-28 23:52:18
234.   Greg Brock
231 If Kim Ng became the Dodgers GM, I would throw a parade. Because, although they have smaller brains and are prone to hormonal outbreaks, women are often good at things. Beyond domestic-type endeavors, of course.

But I don't think she'll ever get a GM job. She's a trailblazer, but not a pioneer. Like Shirley Chisholm...without the lisp. Or the awesome hair.

2007-08-28 23:53:42
235.   natepurcell
no logan white for the astros.
2007-08-28 23:56:46
236.   trainwreck
Honestly, Logan White gives me hope that he can produce enough talent to save us no matter what.

If he is gone, I will be worried.

2007-08-29 00:00:37
237.   LAT
BH, glad you enjoyed the game. Sitting with TC is always fun. I'm sorry I missed the wonders of the cushioned seat discussion. Frankly, I could do without the cushion because the Dodgers use it as an excuse to charge an extra $4 or so per seat per game. I could buy a $5 cushion and bring it with me that would last the entire season or longer.

Good crowd tonight. Although not that big everyone seemed pretty into the game.

Sam, I will send you an email tomorrow but in a nutshell: (1) they love Manny; (2) naming rights are unresolved; (3) City won't allow more parking, ownership wants more; (4) Bud is unhappy with the Nats for exceeding the slot bounus for some kid going to Stanford; and (5) they are thrilled to have Greg Brock as their No. 1 Fan.

2007-08-29 00:01:40
238.   bhsportsguy
I just think its inevitable that someone will hire Kim Ng or Logan White (though his promotion last year did raise the stakes meaning he would have to get a GM job since he is already an Asst. GM, Scouting).

I just glanced at Kim Ng's resume, someone convince that she is not a better candidate than Logan White for an open GM position.

2007-08-29 00:05:25
239.   LAT
234. And, as a wise man once said, "Clothes it all about the clothes. When females have a problem just but them clothes."
2007-08-29 00:05:28
240.   bhsportsguy
237 The cushion is not worth an extra 5 bucks. Thanks again.

They didn't just exceed slot bonus on that pick, they blew it out like the Dodgers did for Andy LaRoche. ToyCannon and I were discussing that deal but we couldn't remember if the plan was for him not to pitch professionally for a few years and just let him go to class.

2007-08-29 00:05:44
241.   natepurcell

Chad Billingsley
Matt Kemp
Russ Martin

2007-08-29 00:06:01
242.   LAT
Darn it. "but" = "buy"
2007-08-29 00:08:36
243.   trainwreck
All this talk of Kim and Logan leaving is scaring me.

Make it stop! Make it stop!

2007-08-29 00:08:45
244.   Greg Brock
I just glanced at Kim Ng's resume, someone convince that she is not a better candidate than Logan White for an open GM position.

It's not what she has...It's what she doesn't have. You know, in that region. Down there.

2007-08-29 00:09:30
245.   Greg Brock
239 That man is genius.
2007-08-29 00:09:31
246.   paranoidandroid
ToyCannon, I left you a voice mail while at the game, I was having trouble with service when you called and I was also walking briskly through the parking lot.

Sorry to have missed you and BH tonight. Good game, thought we should have put up more runs with all the baserunners we had. Bills was giving me stomache aches in the first inning and he got hit hard in the seventh. Shea saved the game and Felipe Lopez gave us a chance to win it without going into extras. I am glad that Pierre made a fine catch to get us out of the seventh and that Shea made sure Bautista's homer was a solo shot.

I had a weird exit with my lunch boxes in tow. Security stopped me and my buddies and demanded to see our drivers licenses and tickets. They didn't know it was a Blue Crew night and didn't know why we had lunch boxes. They were quite rude and when I told them they couldn't write down my identification information, a group of six rent-a-cops arrived and were itching to have a confrontation. I showed them our Blue Crew cards and explained what the fan club was to employees who had no idea there was one and they sort of understood but followed us to the exit. I left rather than escalate it, but it amazes me that they never bothered to radio someone smarter and find out there was a giveaway for the Blue Crew, they instantly thought we stole lunch boxes. I might call guest relations, they attempted to be intimidating but they were such a sad bunch of knuckleheads without real jobs I couldn't be more than just annoyed.

2007-08-29 00:09:40
247.   LAT
240. Yes he is going to Weisman U. on the Washington National four year scholarship program.
2007-08-29 00:13:17
248.   paranoidandroid
I am an amazing 6-0 this year after tonight. Won't be at a game until Sept 11th, but if we need a few big wins during the last few weeks and my streak is intact, I'll have to convince the wife that the team needs me.
2007-08-29 00:15:57
249.   LAT
246. Funny, I too had a difficult time getting reception and when I finally got a hold of BH it was one big "can you hear me now" conversation. Usally I have no problem with reception at DS.
2007-08-29 00:18:45
250.   Greg Brock
I would have very much enjoyed a game with the DT posters this evening. Instead, I took care of children that:
A) Are not mine
B) Have very little to contribute to conversations
C) Poop
D) Fail to understand the magnitude of a pennant race
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2007-08-29 00:21:05
251.   Greg Brock
250 In short, It was like hanging out with Andy Rooney all night.
2007-08-29 00:22:06
252.   Eric Enders
I can think of a certain mustachioed GM who also meets all four of those criteria.
2007-08-29 00:24:29
253.   bhsportsguy
243 I'm the only one saying it but okay, outside of Houston, and try to be serious not wisful, what other teams might consider a change of General Managers.

No way do they change list
San Diego
San Francisco
St. Louis
New York
Kansas City
New York
Tampa Bay

Possible but unlikely


Even my possibles are probably very unlikely so I don't see any real oppurtunities outside of this job for prospective GMs.

2007-08-29 00:25:53
254.   bhsportsguy
wishful, jeez, its too late to type.
2007-08-29 00:32:33
255.   Greg Brock
I must say, on a personal level, my nephew is awesome. He refuses to hit off a tee, and makes contact with underhanded pitching. And he's two years old. He'll sit and watch an entire baseball game on TV without getting bored.

Baseball to him is like cartoons. Except without all the advertisements for Cinnamon Toast Crunch.

2007-08-29 00:36:57
256.   bhsportsguy
255 How about as a professional uncle, how would you rate your nephew on a 20-80 scale. Sounds like he may already be a 50 on knowing the strike zone and a 70 on being patient.
2007-08-29 00:42:51
257.   Greg Brock
256 His plate discipline is terrible. I guess you don't walk off the playground, either.

But he's toolsy. He's failed to grasp handedness, so I can make him into a bat left/throw right guy. When he grabs the bat right handed, I simply hit him in the head with a fly-swatter. He's caught on quite quickly.

At this point, I'm really worried about his clubhouse presence...He's mainly focused on eating M&M's and watching Peter Pan...and that's not good for morale.

He may turn out to be a clubhouse cancer.

2007-08-29 00:51:07
258.   bhsportsguy
257 Only if he hurts himself doing wheelies on his tricycle.

And then claims he fell off the slide in an awkward manner.

2007-08-29 00:53:10
259.   trainwreck
According to IMDB, police reports have now confirmed Owen Wilson attempted suicide.

I hope he gets well.

2007-08-29 00:56:35
260.   Eric Enders
I would throw Toronto and the Yankees into the possible but unlikely group. Otherwise that list seems solid.
2007-08-29 00:56:41
261.   Greg Brock
259 If that's what it takes to keep him away from a Watchmen movie, I'm all for it.
2007-08-29 01:07:44
262.   trainwreck
Are you a Rorschach guy or an Ozymandias guy?

Or, I guess neither.

2007-08-29 01:12:04
263.   trainwreck
Also have you heard the rumors about them changing the ending?
2007-08-29 01:19:26
264.   Lexinthedena
I just put in 4 hours for the next radio show..on my way back home from the studio, I feel a little hungry, and I remember that I have the perfect amount of leftovers in the fridge......I start to visualize the satisfaction I am going to get from eating them......I park, run into the house, go to the the fridge can guess what happens next.....A Todd Worrel blown save/Erick Karros double play level frustration I'm feeling right now....
2007-08-29 01:32:14
265.   Greg Brock
262 I love the cast they've put together. I think this could really work.

But if they change any aspect of the plot, I quit. It's Watchmen. It's the best graphic novel of all time. It's brilliant.

Change the plot to sell T-shirts and I'm irate.

2007-08-29 01:40:06
266.   Greg Brock
263 I'll add this...I'm not a comic book guy. Never have been. But I was introduced to the graphic novel by friends that convinced me it was genius. And they were right. Black Hole and Watchmen are unbelievably great, and I'd hate to see either one of them get whored out for a quick buck.

I honestly didn't know that graphic novels could be so good until I read Watchmen. And I'm a Rorschach guy.

2007-08-29 01:55:56
267.   trainwreck
I need to read more Moore graphic novels. The complexity and intricate details are amazing.
2007-08-29 07:13:48
268.   Sam DC
237 Good stuff; glad you had fun.

From my perspective, we've had two pretty good close games, the Dodgers are closer to the playoffs, the Nationals are closer to the top of the draft pick heap. It's all good.

2007-08-29 07:26:52
269.   Wilbert Robinson
BP Postseason odds have the Padres winning the division.

2007-08-29 07:43:18
270.   Jon Weisman
The end of time:

2007-08-29 07:45:17
271.   Bob Timmermann
Let's all drive to Nevada and call the number!
2007-08-29 07:46:00
272.   ToyCannon
Sorry we missed you. My service died as soon as I went to sit down. Which is unusual as I usually have no problem.

LAT, thanks for the extra ticket. The advantage of having the cushion is that you don't have to look like a dork bringing a cushion to the game. Is that worth $4?

2007-08-29 07:48:39
273.   ToyCannon
From a chat with Clay Davenport at BP:
Conor Glassey (Woodinville, WA): Hi Clay - How would you rate the following young outfielders based on their future potential: Nick Markakis, Matt Kemp, Chris Young, Justin Upton & Jeremy Hermida?

Clay Davenport: Three 23-yos, a 22, and a 19?

Me and the peak eqas see them like this

Upton, .314 peak eqa, cf skills

Kemp .305 peak, can play cf but better in corner

markakis .295 good rightfield

Young .284, ok cf

Hermida .299 but bad corner defense, lots of injuries have really slowed him up; he's looking like an old-player skill/short career guy to me.

Have to say I was a bit shocked to see Matt Kemp over Chris Young by such a large margin.

2007-08-29 07:51:22
274.   Bob Timmermann
Looks like the giant satellite that placed in geosynchronous orbit above Dodger Stadium for the purpose of jamming cell phone calls and shooting down beach balls is working.

I always have poor cellular service at Dodger Stadium.

2007-08-29 07:51:25
275.   Sam DC
"It was always there," said Orlo Brown, 70, who for many years kept Pacific Bell's (and subsequently SBC's) time machines running in a downtown Los Angeles office building.

If the time machines go, how we will Reese get back in time to save Sarah Connor?

2007-08-29 07:56:47
276.   JoeyP
273--I think Chris Young will end up being a better player than Delmon Young. Delmon hasnt done much his first two years so far in the league.

Young's hit 28 HRs (17 on the road---so its not just playing at the BOB), and if he starts walking even a bit more he's going to be one of the best CF'ers in the game.

2007-08-29 08:04:51
277.   bhsportsguy
Why a day game?

Washington @ Los Angeles 12:10 PDT
Next game - Friday evening - Washington hosts San Francisco, Los Angeles at San Diego.

Toronto @ Oakland 12:35 PDT
Next game - Friday evening - Toronto hosting Seattle, Oakland hosting Detroit

Colorado @ San Francisco 12:35 PDT
Next game - Friday evening - Colorado at Arizono, San Francisco at Washington

Los Angeles Angels @ Seattle 1:35 PDT
Next game - Friday evening - Angels host Texas, Thursday evening - Seattle at Cleveland (make up snow game)

If not for the makeup game for Seattle, all 8 teams are off tommorrow, there is another game featuring two teams that would have been off tomorrow, Minnesota @ Cleveland but they play tonight.

2007-08-29 08:10:31
278.   Terry A
253 - Walt Jocketty isn't the surest of sure bets to remain in St. Louis. Their surge of late may keep him around, but unless I've missed something, his contract is up at season's end, and the Pirates and Reds allegedly have high interest.
2007-08-29 08:12:02
279.   Terry A
P.S. - I support Ng getting any better job, especially a GM job, even in Houston. Same for Dan Evans.

Maybe I just sympathize with the two of them having to work for such incompetent supervisors.

2007-08-29 08:12:14
280.   Jon Weisman
277 - Sometimes, you just have to lure people out of work for no good reason.

Plus, summer camps are over. Kids needs something to do before being sentenced to school and the dastardly teachers therein. (You know who you are, dastardly teachers.)

2007-08-29 08:18:01
281.   Daniel Zappala
280 What, school hasn't started yet in LA? My kids are attending for their second week. But then, it's Utah, and the kids need to be able to end school in late May so they are available for the summer planting season.
2007-08-29 08:24:11
282.   ToyCannon
LAUSD doesn't start until next Wednesday.
2007-08-29 08:31:51
283.   LogikReader
Listen, it's easy for us baseball nerds to criticize the incompetence of the higher ups, and we'd be right, but here's an interesting angle:

Today on Colin Cowherd's show, he basically mirrored the viewpoint of the casual fan. Apparently the Dbacks are drawing only 44% of capacity at home games with them leading the division. His point is most fans go in to watch the big star players. Meanwhile, the mediocre Cubs and Dodgers have attendance in the top ten.

My counterpoint to that, if there is one, is that for Chicago and LA, ppl go for the stadium experience. Heck in 2005, the Dodgers still drew 3 million!

Second counterpoint, just came up with it, is you have to start from scratch eventually to get stars of your own, instead of borrowing other people's used up all stars. We have them: Martin, Bills, Kemp, Ethier, etc.

2007-08-29 08:33:31
284.   LogikReader
The kids are unknown right now, but in time, they could be as good as the best of them.
2007-08-29 08:37:32
285.   ToyCannon
Chris Young
Age 22 OPS+ 72-small sample size
Age 23 OPS+ 88-full time CF

Delmon Young
Age 20 OPS+106-small sample size
Age 21 OPS+90-full time RF

Delmon Young is two years younger then Chris Young. How many 21 year olds are even playing in the major leagues?

Two years from now when Delmon Young is the same age as Chris, he will make Chris Young's 23 age year, look pedestrian.

2007-08-29 08:39:30
286.   LogikReader

Side note: Beltre had his breakout year when he was 25

2007-08-29 08:41:19
287.   Gen3Blue
Its amazing how my outlook improves after a 9 for 13(or close) stretch.This compared to our post all-star debacle. I thought this year I was much more calm about this stuff, but unfortunately at this time of year you can almost track my mood by that little up/down chart at the THT daily.
2007-08-29 08:49:50
288.   LogikReader
I really wanted to go to today's game, but seeing my potential commute, decided against it. Anyone else going to today's game?
2007-08-29 08:53:47
289.   bhsportsguy
283 Small sample size, let's delve in a little deeper.

Top 5 Leaders in attendance based pct. of capcity.

1. Boston 36,675 101.4%
2. Chicago Cubs 40,072 97.5%
3. San Francisco 40,278 97.0%
4. Detroit 37,962 94.6%
5. St. Louis 43,853 93.6%

The Angels are next at 93.3%, followed by the Yankees and Houston at 91.3%, the Yankees are the only team in that group with a capacity over 50,000. The Dodgers ranked 10th at 84.8%.

Of the top ten leaders, eight are part of the original 16 teams and the Angels and Astros have been playing for over 45 years. The Dodgers and Giants have been playing in their second homes for almost 50 years.

That is not to say that being a longtime franchise guarantees anything, see Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, and Cleveland, but having tradition matters as much if not more in baseball because of the day to day existence of the game.

Occasionally, a Barry Bonds comes on the scene, and he has certainly influenced attendence in San Francisco but the Giants may have now built up so much good will in AT&T as much as the team that you might not expect a huge drop off when Bonds does his last home run trot for the Giants.

Arizona may just be a lousy place for professional sports or needs more than 2/3 of season to believe in anything.

2007-08-29 08:57:52
290.   LogikReader
Wow, I didn't know Detroit was in the top 5!
2007-08-29 08:58:38
291.   LogikReader
I also didn't know Comerica had a capacity of only 38k. It sure looks a lot bigger on TV
2007-08-29 09:00:31
292.   Bob Timmermann
Traditional schedule schools in LAUSD start next week, but the year-round schools started yesterday.

But the year-round schools are going the way of the dodo.

2007-08-29 09:01:52
293.   Gen3Blue
Scanning a recent article at Prospectus I was amazed to see the D's and ST Lou's team off stats are essentially identical. Who would have thought at the start of the season.
2007-08-29 09:09:21
294.   Jon Weisman
273 - Why is Kemp given a peak .305 EQA for his career when his current EQA at age 22 is .301?
2007-08-29 09:10:27
295.   underdog
Man, I'm glad I checked the schedule today, I would've missed the early start time otherwise.

Man (x2), I hope we don't lose White, or Ng for that matter, to the stupid Astros. They deserve someone sucky, and definitely don't deserve either of them. And... and... well, it can't happen! {tantrum}

Hey, does anyone have any suggestions for ways to get tickets for a group of us for that upcoming series in SF?

2007-08-29 09:10:30
296.   Gen3Blue
I'm on my way to Nevada to call for free time. I'm almost at the NY state line already.
2007-08-29 09:11:18
297.   underdog
And what's with the three game home stand? Sheez.
2007-08-29 09:21:19
298.   ToyCannon
I assume that is rhetorical?

This is as good as it gets? Isn't this pretty good if translated over 600 at bats?

2007-08-29 09:21:22
299.   Bob Timmermann
Seattle has a similar situation. They came back from Texas to play three games at home against the Angels and go back out on the road tomorrow.
2007-08-29 09:23:59
300.   Jon Weisman
298 - It's not about me being satisfied or unsatisfied. Objectively, why wouldn't one assume Kemp will improve his EQA more than .004 sometime in the next 10 years?
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2007-08-29 09:26:20
301.   underdog
299 I guess the Dodgers can't complain as much as Seattle, since LA just goes down to San Diego to start that trip.
2007-08-29 09:34:32
302.   blue22
Apropos to the GM conversation last night, we should feel very lucky that Seattle is defying the odds and competing for the playoffs this year. Bavasi was pretty much a dead GM walking this year, save for some miracle playoff run. Chris Antonetti was a preferred candidate (at least over at USS Mariner), until signing an extension in Cleveland. Dan Evans, however, has a position of influence in Seattle's front office, and I was more than a little concerned that he might target Ng, or to a lesser extent Logan White. Now it looks as if Bavasi will get a stay of execution.

Long live outperforming your run differential!

2007-08-29 09:44:15
303.   LogikReader
Would it have been a good idea to Penny an extra day of rest to offset the day he lost last week?

ps: Penny always pitches badly at Shea... can't figure out why.

2007-08-29 09:49:37
304.   Wilbert Robinson
300 He must mean a peak .305 EQA after a full season and that if Kemp had seen more playing time this year his EQA would be lower.
2007-08-29 09:51:47
305.   JoeyP
Furcal, SS

Pierre, CF

Kemp, RF

Kent, 2B

Gonzo, LF

Martin, C

Loney, 1B

Hillenbrand, 3B

Penny, P

Good thing Gonzo threw his temper tantrum and Ethier's back on the bench.

2007-08-29 09:53:40
306.   Wilbert Robinson
305 This is a joke?
2007-08-29 09:54:42
307.   dzzrtRatt
I'm glad they didn't bench Martin for his baserunning blunder.
2007-08-29 09:57:06
308.   paranoidandroid
RE: Jon's post at the top.

Since I coached at the same high school that Delwyn Young went to, I've followed him closely and I know for sure that he started two games for us this year, the only two starts of his budding career so far. The list has him with one start which is incorrect.

2007-08-29 09:58:34
309.   LogikReader
We've explained LuGo... but what keeps Pierre in the lineup every day? The consecutive game streak?
2007-08-29 09:58:41
310.   paranoidandroid
305 306

I'm just glad Kent is playing and not Ramon. I'd prefer Andre today also, but I can live with that over Kent sitting with tomorrow being an off day.

I still don't understand how Pierre never gets a day off.

2007-08-29 09:59:38
311.   Bob Timmermann
Baseballreference says Delwyn Young started on August 3 against Arizona and August 9 at Cincinnati.
2007-08-29 10:01:38
312.   D4P
what keeps Pierre in the lineup every day? The consecutive game streak?

First of all, this question seems to assume that Management doesn't think Pierre should be in the lineup every day, but keeps him in there anyway. I'm not sure that's true.

Setting that aside, he's also in the lineup everyday because the roster doesn't contain another player that Management considers to be a suitable centerfielder.

2007-08-29 10:03:19
313.   paranoidandroid
311 He was 0 for 3 with two strikeouts against Arizona (nobody hit that day) and 4 for 4 against Cincy and had to leave with cramps in his calf.

He helped us win one when we couldn't win for two weeks. Then he got sent down to make room for Shea.

2007-08-29 10:03:49
314.   LogikReader
If JP is trying to catch Cal Ripken Jr, he might as well quit now. Cal has 2,632 consecutive games and Juan has a mere 350.

Besides what kind of achievement is that?

2007-08-29 10:03:54
315.   old dodger fan
Last night went to a AAA game and was pleasantly surprised to find our old friend Jae Seo pitching. He threw 6 great innings (3H; 1ER; 0BB; 3K) and picked up the win. I hope he makes it back.
2007-08-29 10:04:09
316.   dzzrtRatt
283 I'm going to be a contrarian. The Dodgers' attendance is high because there are a lot of serious baseball fans in LA. Arizona and San Diego are smaller markets and that figures into it, but the empirical evidence suggests that these two cities don't have as many people who crave the unique drama and excitement of a late-season ballgame with pennant implications.

Few days ago, there was a debate over which team "owns" LA -- the Lakers, the Trojans or the Dodgers. To me, the huge crowd for last night's game settles that question. The Dodgers are mediocre, and they're playing a lousy team, it's a Tuesday night, they repeatedly disappoint in similar situations over the past 15 years, and yet -- there they are, 45,000 fans, most of them locked into the moment.

With the Lakers or the Trojans, those who run those franchises know it's "Win or else." With the Dodgers, the loyalty and love of the game runs deeper.

2007-08-29 10:05:15
317.   LogikReader
but, D4P, NEVER getting a day off? Wouldn't Pierre need at least a day off every now and then?

Who knows what will happen when Repko returns... if he returns.

2007-08-29 10:05:16
318.   blue22
309 - Pierre's playing quite well in August. Credit where credit's due?
2007-08-29 10:12:30
319.   ToyCannon
I agree, after all Ethier's EQA after about the same number of ab's as Kemp has had this year(194) was a far cry from where it ended.
A peak of 305 seems just a little low, but reasonable to me.
The peak for C Young seems very low. As Joey said if he learns plate discipline the sky is the limit. Now that Jose Reyes has shown that it can be done at the major league level it is hard to discount those who have every skill but discipline until they prove they are unable to master the skill.
2007-08-29 10:13:49
320.   Bluebleeder87
I guess I'm in the minority here but I don't think Kim Ng makes a good G.M. she makes a great assistant to a G.M. But like everything it's a matter of taste & or philosophy. If I remember correctly it was her call on bringing up Matt Kemp & the dude to this day has very OBVIOUS holes & for her not to see them makes me question some of her baseball knowledge, JMO.
2007-08-29 10:14:24
321.   LogikReader
You're right, blue22, and for that I give Juan Pierre the propers. Its funny how he always turns it on towards the end of the year o O
2007-08-29 10:14:55
322.   LogikReader
-- my biggest problem with him is that his arm is zero upgrade over last year's CF, Kenny Lofton.
2007-08-29 10:15:20
323.   ToyCannon
Juan Pierre's defense has improved so much in CF from the scrambling, fumbling fool who inhabited it in April, it is hard for me to believe they are the same person.
That is just an observation and is not backed up by any statistical measures.
2007-08-29 10:15:44
324.   D4P
Wouldn't Pierre need at least a day off every now and then?

But wasn't durability one of the features that made him attractive to Ned in the first place...?

2007-08-29 10:18:14
325.   Eric Enders
Kemp EQAed .306 last year at Las Vegas and .318 at Jacksonville, so it's not like he hasn't proven he's a .300 EQA hitter. (Those numbers are adjusted for competition level, by the way, so that's a .300+ major league EQA)

Here are PECOTA's predictions for the next few years of Kemp's career. Note that these were derived after he hit .255 in the majors last year and will probably be revised upward somewhat due to the excellent year he's had in 2007.

2007 age 22 .297/.345/.509, 24 HR, 23 SB, .286 EQA, 37.2 VORP
2008 age 23 .295/.349/.524, 27 HR, 21 SB, .291 EQA, 34.2 VORP
2009 age 24 .300/.35/.528, 27 HR, 19 SB, .293 EQA, 36.0 VORP
2010 age 25 .296/.349/.511, 25 HR, 17 SB, .292 EQA, 32.5 VORP
2011 age 26 .295/.354/.524, 25 HR, 19 SB, .293 EQA, 32.1 VORP

So basically they expect him to get gradually worse year by year after having his peak season at age 22. I don't see how that's realistic. However, this year may change all those expectations, as Kemp is hitting his 75 percentile projection and BP will probably have to revise their numbers upward.

So Kemp, as good a prospect as he already was coming into this season, has, with his performance this year, significantly improved the expectations for his career potential.

2007-08-29 10:19:29
326.   capdodger
320 What makes you think she doesn't see these "holes"? Maybe she just sees a good young player who can help the big club and learn the game as he goes.
2007-08-29 10:19:44
327.   Telemachos
320 Wait, so you'd rather that Kemp (despite his learning curve) not be on the major-league roster?

I don't think any of us can say whether or not Ng is a good GM.... because she hasn't been given the opportunity yet.

2007-08-29 10:19:57
328.   Wilbert Robinson
*BP: How did your work doing arbitration cases and coming up through front offices help you in terms of growing your knowledge base and improving your player evaluation skills?

Ng: When you're in the baseball operations department, you're watching games every single night, and you get a pretty good feel for what players are capable of and what they're not. Sometimes people think stats don't always tell the truth, and that's true. There are some players where stats don't do them justice. You'll see a player who has great instincts, who does the little things that don't show up in box scores like taking the extra base. I think it is important for people doing arbitration to have a feel for what players can do.*


*BP: Let's try this another way. Why do you think you'd be a good candidate for a GM job?

Ng: A lot of it depends on who the owners are and what they're looking for. For me to tell you I have a scout's background in player evaluation, that's wrong. I wouldn't try to say that. More and more general managers out there don't have that extensive background, but have been successful in other areas and have proven themselves over time. Two of those are people I've worked for, Brian Cashman and Dan Evans. With Bill Bavasi getting the Mariners job, it's the same thing, and he would also admit that. Sandy Alderson, years ago, was the same way, and he was able to put together a world championship club.

One of my strongest skills is the decent relationships I have with many agents, players, and other club executives. Someone put it in a really good way: As a GM, you're the conductor of the orchestra--that doesn't mean you need to know how to play every single instrument. But being a good leader, having good communication skills, that's going to take you a long way.*

from BP interview 11/18/03

2007-08-29 10:20:40
329.   regfairfield
300 Two things: Kemp would probably go down given a full season.

Also, PECOTA had a similar outlook for him coming into the season. He would have a good EQA this year (.286) but then only improve to .295 in the next four years thanks to his lack of plate discipline.

2007-08-29 10:20:50
330.   blue22
320 - You're criticizing Ng for being a proponent of LA's best hitter? Kemp's not a great baserunner, and a bit of a shaky fielder, but he clearly belongs in the middle of the lineup each and every day. Credit Ng for backing Kemp (if that was even the case).
2007-08-29 10:21:18
331.   Eric Enders
320 Yeah, because Kemp started off so poorly last year. You're right, that alone should disqualify Ng from ever holding a GM job.
2007-08-29 10:22:40
332.   Wilbert Robinson
325 "after having his peak season at age 22". I think they would argue that he only has 192 ABs this year thus far. I for the record think the projection of .305 is low. But I am biased.
2007-08-29 10:22:44
333.   blue22
320 - Well at least you were right in assuming you were in the minority on that viewpoint. :)
2007-08-29 10:25:27
334.   Eric Enders
332 As I noted, those projections were done after last season. They predicted 2007 to be Kemp's peak season, with a 37 VORP. Of course, they also apparently predicted that our management's idiocy wouldn't limit Kemp to 200 plate appearances.
2007-08-29 10:25:54
335.   ToyCannon
Welcome Mr. Loaiza
2007-08-29 10:26:25
336.   regfairfield
335 Says who?
2007-08-29 10:26:44
337.   blue22
Seems that there is only about 10-20 players each season that register an eqa above .305 (in fact no one not named "Bonds" is above .340 this year). That's a pretty high standard to hold him too.
2007-08-29 10:27:04
338.   Wilbert Robinson
334 ah right sorry didn't read carefully.
2007-08-29 10:27:41
339.   Eric Enders

I really dislike Ned Colletti. And so, presumably, does Eric Stults.

2007-08-29 10:27:54
340.   Wilbert Robinson
2007-08-29 10:29:09
341.   underdog
So it doesn't cost the team anything other than picking up the rest of his salary? No prospects traded or anything? What's the problem with this again? Remind me why I should hate this...
2007-08-29 10:29:18
342.   blue22
Loaiza next year on a 1-year deal for $7M? I'll take that.
2007-08-29 10:29:52
343.   D4P
Loazia, 35, joins a rotation that recently was bolstered by the signing of left-hander David Wells

I always thought bolstered meant "strengthened"...

2007-08-29 10:29:54
344.   ToyCannon
Eric you really believe that Eric Stults can do a better job then Loaiza?
To me Stults is just one game away from giving up 7 runs in 3 innings and so is D Wells.
I'm onboard with this one.
2007-08-29 10:30:17
345.   Eric Enders
342 The money's not that awful. The bad part is you have to have Esteban Loaiza on your team.
2007-08-29 10:30:54
346.   Eric Enders
344 Yes, I do. Not only can, has.
2007-08-29 10:31:05
347.   BlueCrew Bruin
Didn't have to give up any players so it seems like a reasonable gamble to me.
2007-08-29 10:32:23
348.   regfairfield
342 This means Wolf is almost certainly gone next year, unless we really want to blow through our budget. Loaiza is an improvement over Stults and Wells at least. The man has the ability to be both very good and very bad, so it should be interesting at least.
2007-08-29 10:32:40
349.   Wilbert Robinson
346 Maybe the Dodgers are playing Toronto 162 times next year.
2007-08-29 10:33:01
350.   dzzrtRatt
Where's all this Kemp dissing coming from?

Do most rookies arrive in the majors with nothing more to learn? From what I've seen, the holes in his swing are not there every day. And he's actually a terrific baserunner.

Kemp's rawness sometimes stands out against the smoother play of veterans who don't have his upside. But I love watching the guy play.

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2007-08-29 10:33:24
351.   ImprobableImpossible
It's a solid move.

Look at the pool of potential free agent pitchers for this upcoming offseason.

Maybe now we only have to dip our toes in the pool rather than a head-first dive.

2007-08-29 10:33:27
352.   Eric Enders
Pitchers who strike out 4-5 batters per nine innings are not successful. Especially not when they play for a team with a lousy defense. And especially not when they are 36 years old and put up a 4.89 ERA last year for a team with outstanding defense.

I hope to be pleasantly surprised, let's put it that way.

2007-08-29 10:36:16
353.   Eric Enders
With luck, James McDonald will take his job away in Spring Trainingn anyway. So, Ned, if you want to spend $8 million for a guy to make five starts, be my guest. Even if the guy you already have for $300K could have made the same five starts and performed the same.
2007-08-29 10:36:26
354.   Vaudeville Villain

Kemp might be the best player on the team, holes or no. I don't see how bringing him up was a bad move at all.

2007-08-29 10:38:29
355.   dzzrtRatt
An AL 4.89 ERA is different than an NL 4.89 ERA. In the AL, that's not too bad.

This move is as much about 2008 as 2007, I suspect.

Of course...the same money could have bought eight Kyle Blairs! So that's a downside.

2007-08-29 10:40:21
356.   Bluebleeder87

That was very nice, thanks for the quotes (I've been enlightened) 327 If it meant a more polished player why not? I'm patient by nature though.

2007-08-29 10:43:42
357.   ToyCannon
Was Russel Martin traded?
2007-08-29 10:46:00
358.   ToyCannon
If Jason Kendall can post a 390 OBP in the NL, maybe Loaiza can post a sub 4.00 ERA.
He did it as recently has 2005 but of course all his good work came at home, courtesy of RFK.
2007-08-29 10:46:38
359.   Bluebleeder87

No dissing just opinion, there's no question IF he puts it all together the guy will be something special, I'm a Dodger fan believe me I want him to succeed.

2007-08-29 10:46:39
360.   fanerman
Russell's sporting a pretty .426 OBP in August.
2007-08-29 10:46:55
361.   bigcpa
Loaiza was a bit unlucky on BABIP his last 2 seasons... his FIP era was 3.51 and 4.25. Best case we can pencil in another D. Lowe type line in 2008. Plus his arm must be fresh after a year off. I'd like to hear what his velocity was like in his 2 starts this month.
2007-08-29 10:51:07
362.   ToyCannon
Even with the vaunted Oakland defense?
2007-08-29 10:51:46
363.   Vishal
[361 ] i thought i read he was sitting at 86-88mph, instead the mid-low 90s he used to have.
2007-08-29 10:52:30
364.   Vishal
[362 ] "the oakland defense" sounds like an indie rock album title.
2007-08-29 10:54:02
365.   regfairfield
363 I remember last year, Loaiza was terrible out of the gate, they discovered he was hurt, and he came back as a solid pitcher.

I don't know how he's throwing this year.

2007-08-29 10:55:02
366.   D4P
In Loaiza's two games this year, he had a 0.36/1 G/F ratio, with 10 GBs and 28 FBs.
2007-08-29 10:55:29
367.   BlueCrew Bruin
357 How do you think we got Loaiza? ;)
2007-08-29 10:55:45
368.   regfairfield
Athletics Nation is strangely upset about this move. You'd think they wouldn't miss a guy who's made a whopping two starts this year.
2007-08-29 10:56:19
369.   LogikReader
7 million seems to be the magic number for Ned.

I swear to you, this Loaiza deal makes my "Livan Hernandez as 3rd Starter" prediction more of a no brainer.

2007-08-29 10:56:25
370.   Wilbert Robinson
363 I watch both of his starts and he was in the 88-91 range.
2007-08-29 10:56:47
371.   regfairfield
Then again, they were expecting at the very least Hu, or maybe even LaRoche, so I guess if you're delusional you might be a bit upset.
2007-08-29 10:57:12
372.   Eric Enders
359 "No dissing just opinion, there's no question IF he puts it all together the guy will be something special"

I think the point people are trying to make is that he already IS something special, whether he ends up putting it all together or not. Even if he never improves one bit, the player he is now will be a solid major leaguer for years to come.

I'm not necessarily talking about Bluebleeder here, but people keep mentioning Kemp's potential and capacity for improvement in the context of why he's not playing more. Screw potential, forget about the future -- RIGHT NOW he is our best hitter.

2007-08-29 10:58:29
373.   Wilbert Robinson
370 uh "watched"
2007-08-29 11:01:25
374.   LogikReader
my worst fears being realized: the Dodgers are turning into the Giants (plus a few nice youngsters)
2007-08-29 11:03:00
375.   D4P
the Dodgers are turning into the Giants (plus a few nice youngsters)

Minus the best hitter in the game.

2007-08-29 11:03:15
376.   LogikReader
by the way, I wouldn't be 100% against Livan Hernandez on the Dodgers. He does throw strikes... but just the concept irks me... fat pitcher who throws junk at the plate... not an ideal pitcher candidate.
2007-08-29 11:03:47
377.   LogikReader

Minus A-Rod?

2007-08-29 11:06:29
378.   Gagne55
367 Dodgers did a waver claim, briefly tried to work out a trade. Beane just said, "screw it. take Loaiza and his $7 mil obligations too!"
2007-08-29 11:08:35
379.   Jon Weisman
New post up top.

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