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More Surgery for Wolf
2007-08-31 20:40
by Jon Weisman

From Ken Gurnick at

Randy Wolf's season, which started with nine wins before the All-Star break, will end Wednesday with exploratory arthroscopic shoulder surgery. ...

The operation will initially be diagnostic and if damage is found, it will be fixed during the procedure. It will be performed by Dr. Lewis Yocum and Dr. Neal El Attrache at Kerlan-Jobe Clinic. Yocum performed Wolf's Tommy John elbow reconstruction surgery in 2005.

"I know something is not right," said a devastated Wolf. "I know my body. I learned from my elbow about the reliability of MRIs. It seems like 30 percent of the time."

Wolf tried to pitch with a torn elbow ligament for two seasons in Philadelphia, finally having Tommy John surgery and returning healthy last year. He suspects pitching through that pain might have led to whatever shoulder problem he has.

"If they find nothing, I'd be surprised," he said. "I know I tried to do everything I could. It just didn't work out. It's really unfortunate. I went in understanding the risk. There were three-year contracts I left on the table. I took that gamble. I lost. I'd do it again."

Emphasis mine. But I wish him the best.

This Associated Press article adds that Wolf "felt pain in his shoulder while throwing last weekend."

Update: Chih-Hui Tsao has also been shut down for the rest of the season, reports Diamond Leung of the Press-Enterprise.

Comments (234)
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2007-08-31 20:46:56
1.   underdog
Am I the first to arrive? I brought beer and some hors d'oeuvre.
2007-08-31 20:47:20
2.   JoeyP
Bon Soir Randy Wolf.
We hardly knew ye.
2007-08-31 20:47:39
3.   Bob Timmermann
Did you bring tapas?
2007-08-31 20:49:06
4.   KG16
Vin mentioned something about an exploratory surgery for Wolf. It's a shame that it didn't work out for a local boy... seems to happen a lot to guys who grew up in the area and try to come back and play for the Bums.
2007-08-31 20:49:11
5.   underdog
Seanez is officially the winner of the "Living in a Tree All Year" Award for '07.
2007-08-31 20:49:52
6.   Bluebleeder87
Livan dose it with smoke & mirrors you gotta hand it to the guy, wow.
2007-08-31 20:51:27
7.   Frip
I wish they delivered popcorn. I hate watching a weekend game without munchies.
2007-08-31 20:52:07
8.   Bluebleeder87
it Grady Little sure seems Grady Little doesn't trust Honeycutt all that much, I've never seen a manager go out & talk to his pitchers as much as Grady Little does.
2007-08-31 20:52:20
9.   Lexinthedena
They should let mangers wear whatever they's kind of rediculous to make seniors wear baseball PJ's.....
2007-08-31 20:53:06
10.   Lexinthedena
2007-08-31 20:53:16
11.   underdog
3 If tortilla chips and salsa count as tapas, then, yes, indeed I did señor!
2007-08-31 20:53:22
12.   Sam in SC
an outfield assist for pierre.

how odd is that?

2007-08-31 20:53:23
13.   LAT
Holy Cow! Assist for JP. Amazing. On a bounce but what the heck.
2007-08-31 20:53:39
14.   imperabo
Holy frapuccino was that as assist by JP?
2007-08-31 20:53:44
15.   JoeyP
Kouz must be slow to get thrown out by Pierre.
2007-08-31 20:53:54
16.   immouch
wait... did j.p. throw somebody out? am i hallucinating? maybe both?
2007-08-31 20:53:57
17.   BlueCrew Bruin
Is someone at least throwing in the pen? Seanez should be outta there.
2007-08-31 20:54:35
18.   Who Is Karim Garcia
2007-08-31 20:54:37
19.   underdog
I can't wait til we can use Meloan in the bullpen.
2007-08-31 20:54:47
20.   LAT
Can Rudy get anyone out any more? (Don't answer that.)
2007-08-31 20:55:08
21.   Bluebleeder87

that didn't come out right, sorry about that.

2007-08-31 20:55:32
22.   Lexinthedena
In my lifetime, the Dodgers have never had a 1st baseman with such a glove....
2007-08-31 20:55:47
23.   underdog
Uh oh, is Loney hurt? He was limping a bit after that ball deflected off him. Nicely deflected though, James!
2007-08-31 20:55:53
24.   JoeyP
Dont see many 3-4-3 grounders.
2007-08-31 20:56:10
25.   Frip
Kinda looked like Pierre was gonna throw out the runner by simply throwing it at his head real hard.
2007-08-31 20:56:44
26.   KG16
The Dodgers do not seem to have a downloadable schedule for iCal (yes, I know, I should have downloaded the schedule before the final month of the season, but whatever)... anyone with a Mac know how to get a .cvs file into iCal?
2007-08-31 20:57:20
27.   underdog
Yep, someone is throwing in the pen. No more innings for Mr Living in a Tree.

Yep, Pierre had an assist. Unfortunately not at home, but we'll take it. The Dodgers did a good job directing him to throw to third, smart play.

2007-08-31 20:57:27
28.   Bluebleeder87
hopefully we can get to the tired Padres pen, the game really should be 3-2 Dodgers if it wasn't for that Pierre error that cost us 2 runs, sigh!
2007-08-31 20:57:49
29.   Jon Weisman
23 - He'll have a bruise but should be okay.
2007-08-31 20:58:20
30.   LAT
Can anyone on the Dodgers look at a first pitch. (Don't answer that)
2007-08-31 20:58:44
31.   immouch
maybe pierre will hit a homer to tie it up... the assist was about as rare for him, statistically speaking.
2007-08-31 20:59:13
32.   immouch
2007-08-31 20:59:20
33.   underdog
Way to make 'em work and get on base there, Raffiere!
2007-08-31 21:02:47
34.   dan reines

sure they do. i have it. in iCal, go to Calendar --> subscribe, and put in this URL:


2007-08-31 21:04:03
35.   Ghost of Carlos Perez
Does anybody else think that Seanez looks like Ray Liotta (sp)?
2007-08-31 21:05:57
36.   LAT
I am late to this and I'm sure you all vetted it but I got home in the 5th inning so I had not seen that SD scored two runs on JPs lost ball. That takes a lot of Rule 1 restraint.
2007-08-31 21:06:25
37.   KG16
34 - you rock, thanks
2007-08-31 21:07:09
38.   Lexinthedena
35-He lookes like the guy who played the father in "Once Were Warriors"....guys name is Temuera Morrison....
2007-08-31 21:08:20
39.   Blue in Beantown
I keep seeing references to "Rule 1". Can someone explain this to a DT rookie?
2007-08-31 21:09:53
40.   The Mootz
That's quite a demographic Carl's Jr is shooting for: hedonistic morons.
2007-08-31 21:11:04
41.   Marty
39 Look way down here at the bottom of the page
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2007-08-31 21:11:32
42.   imperabo
39 You're a rookie? Then you have to fight. That's rule 1.
2007-08-31 21:11:40
43.   JoeyP
Why not walk Bradley and have Beimel face Gonzalez?
2007-08-31 21:11:50
44.   KG16
39 - there's a list on the right hand column entitled "Thank You For Not..."

And with another run scoring because of the hitting of old friend Milton Bradley, I'm going to start preparing for my night out.

See y'all tomorrow, one day closer to the Andy LaRoche regime.

2007-08-31 21:12:55
45.   Bluebleeder87

yes, but you have to look at the bottom right hand corner.

2007-08-31 21:13:15
46.   underdog
This game just got really annoying, and the Padres fans waving towels doesn't help my mood. Everything just blew up on them.

But hey, we know not to give up on these games.

2007-08-31 21:13:41
47.   Frip
I hate how a mere baseball team can effect your whole night. Can we please not suck like this!
2007-08-31 21:14:04
48.   bhsportsguy
You were going to pay for Wednesday at some point.
2007-08-31 21:14:20
49.   Blue in Beantown
Gotcha. Thanks everyone!
2007-08-31 21:15:08
50.   immouch
i'm not saying i miss milton bradley. but, honestly wondering, did the A's actually let him walk off their team without any compensation from the padres?
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2007-08-31 21:15:28
51.   underdog
If Peavy wasn't going tomorrow, I'd still feel confident about taking the series. That's gonna be a tough one.
2007-08-31 21:15:45
52.   Bluebleeder87


right over there Blue in Beantown :o)

2007-08-31 21:16:04
53.   underdog
50 Andrew Brown was compensation, a bit better than nothing, though arguably not much.
2007-08-31 21:16:10
54.   King of the Hobos
Laroche made a fielding error today, any chance that it negates the homer/double/single that he's hit tonight?
2007-08-31 21:17:10
55.   immouch
53... thanks. andrew brown must be, what, 48? he's been traded about 20 times
2007-08-31 21:17:38
56.   Bob Timmermann
The Rockies tie it up on a single by Atkins and a misplay by Young.
2007-08-31 21:17:56
57.   Frip
Bell looks like he's ready to pound us.
2007-08-31 21:17:57
58.   LAT
Apparently I am seeing a lot late these days but I just saw the Carl's Jr. commercial about the teachers flat butt for the first time. I'm no pantywaist but that commercial offends me. The Paris Hilton commercial was just stupid. This is much worse unlees of course you want a generation of misogynist teenagers who objectify women, nevermind adult women they are suppose to be respecting.

Tom Cruise you now have company.

2007-08-31 21:19:00
59.   sweepstakes
Anyone know of a online alternative to radio. I'm a Dodger fan in San Diego and can't stand the biased game that the local announcers call. They sit there blatantly rooting for the Padres, takes the enjoyment out of the game.
2007-08-31 21:19:39
60.   Bob Timmermann
Just click on the "KFWB" link.
2007-08-31 21:20:06
61.   immouch
53... main thing is... milton bradley, when lucid, is a very decent player
2007-08-31 21:20:29
62.   Bob Timmermann
But remember. You will outlive Ted Leitner.

I don't know how old you are, but I'll make sure of it.

2007-08-31 21:21:51
63.   Bob Timmermann
Walk to Hawpe. Infield hit by Barmes and the bases are loaded with two outs for Torrealba.

3-3 in the 9th.

2007-08-31 21:23:47
64.   Bob Timmermann
Torrealba whiffs. He's 0 for 3 on the night with the bases loaded.
2007-08-31 21:24:55
65.   underdog
Weird. I think I now officially hate the Padres as much as I hate the Giants. Weird how it just sort of happened. Shouldn't there be some sort of a ceremony to mark this special moment in my life, a hate mitzvah or something?
2007-08-31 21:25:22
66.   Blue in Beantown
Bob, I just tried KFWB, but it appears that MLB doesn't allow the game to be streamed.
2007-08-31 21:25:33
67.   Lexinthedena
Hoffman has been shakey.....that's my only far a very frustrating game...

I'm very upset with the Juan Pierre signing....I may be alone on this, but it was a bad move...

2007-08-31 21:25:47
68.   Mark Joseph
Looking at the line scores at this instant:

COL 3-15-1
ARI 3-3-1

2007-08-31 21:25:57
69.   Ken Arneson
53 Andrew Brown is 26. I did a post recently on Catfish Stew where I noted how he has almost exactly the same stats as Huston Street (who is 24). After which Brown promptly went out and gave up five runs in his next five innings, just to make me look bad. But then Street went and gave up four runs in his next four innings, and things were pretty much even again.
2007-08-31 21:26:23
70.   underdog
55 Believe it or not, Andrew Brown's only 26, but it does seem like he's been traded a bunch of times without seeing much of the majors, doesn't it?
2007-08-31 21:26:31
71.   Icaros
LaRoche wins it in extras with another homer. Bet he starts at third this weekend.
2007-08-31 21:26:41
72.   Frip
I'm just not mentally prepared to lose tonight. If I'd been in a sour mood, I could handle a loss as just another aspect of sucky life. But I've been particularly optimistic today. Maybe I should be thanking the Dodgers for bringing me back to Earth.
2007-08-31 21:27:15
73.   underdog
69 D'oh! Beat me to it.
Brown was once considered a pretty high prospect, when he first came up with the Braves I think. But that was then and this is now.
2007-08-31 21:27:26
74.   LAT
I guess I should know this but how can Wells be charged with 3 earned when 2 of them came in on JP's error?
2007-08-31 21:27:31
75.   King of the Hobos
Jacksonville lost 6-3, and have officially (I believe) missed the playoffs.

AJ Ellis has decided he really wants to be our 3rd catcher. In August, he's hitting .288/.424/.550 in 80 ABs. The power won't last (he's had 5 homers in August in 80 ABs, in his previous 800 minor league ABs, he had 6), but the patience is legitimate. He's nothing more than minor league depth (he's 26, although this is really his first full year as a starter), but he could be interesting as a backup, due to the OBP. But I'm sure whatever PVL value that Moeller has will get him promoted.

2007-08-31 21:27:32
76.   Bluebleeder87
with an ERA of 6.14 it's beyond me why R. Hernandez is still with the team, there's just so many other options Ned could have gone with, oh well.
2007-08-31 21:27:45
77.   sweepstakes
Thanks, Bob. I'm 31, and it's too much hearing them call Kahlil "my boy" and just raving about Bradley.
2007-08-31 21:27:58
78.   Icaros
Oh wait, there's still the bottom of the inning. Vegas is on the road.
2007-08-31 21:28:27
79.   underdog
Hernandez is in. Shouldn't he have the nickname "Game Over" too? (In reverse meaning.)
2007-08-31 21:28:35
80.   immouch
59... if andy kaufman had ever done a schtick as an announcer, he woulda sounded like ted leitner.
2007-08-31 21:28:54
81.   fordprefect
Since when has Prime Ticket stopped displaying the radargun pitch speed.

Has an announcement already been made?
-yours in ignorance,

2007-08-31 21:29:22
82.   Bluebleeder87
LaRoche wins it in extras with another homer. Bet he starts at third this weekend.

That makes me smile, I can't wait to see him up here helping the big club.

2007-08-31 21:30:11
83.   Lexinthedena
Hernandez lookin' you like them apples Dodger Thoughts posters!
2007-08-31 21:30:21
84.   Icaros

It wasn't an error because he didn't come anywhere near touching the ball.

2007-08-31 21:31:37
85.   King of the Hobos
71 But he had an error! Can't stick someone that shaky on defense at third. Better keep a PVL at the hot corner.

And from what I can see, it's not won yet. Unless Meloan/Hull come in for the save (and if they're being promoted tomorrow, they may not), this game is very much not over yet.

2007-08-31 21:32:05
86.   Blue in Beantown
I feel horrible about this, but I actually want to see Hillenbrand strike out one more time.
2007-08-31 21:32:06
87.   LAT
78. I did that earlier this season at the 40 hit Philly game. I turned to my friend in the middle of the 9th and asked no one was leaving.
2007-08-31 21:32:09
88.   underdog
So the Padres will be recalling old friends Brady Clark and Brian Myrow when rosters expand. I really hope they aren't involved in some game winning rallies this weekend.
2007-08-31 21:32:16
89.   Lexinthedena
I was kidding...he he...yeah, that's the ticket...twas a joke...
2007-08-31 21:32:24
90.   Bob Timmermann
It's the biggest night in Kennedy High baseball in the majors except for all those games when Garret Anderson has faced Jon Garland.
2007-08-31 21:32:34
91.   imperabo
84 You're kidding me.
2007-08-31 21:32:40
92.   Frip
77 I kinda like listening to homer announcers from other teams. It gives a totally different feel to the game than you're used to.
2007-08-31 21:33:09
93.   Bluebleeder87
I'm very upset with the Juan Pierre signing....I may be alone on this, but it was a bad move...

believe me your not alone.

2007-08-31 21:33:47
94.   LAT
83. If by "sharp" you mean a couple of 2 out base hits, he looks great.
2007-08-31 21:34:06
95.   King of the Hobos
No Hull or Meloan for the save for Vegas (Juarez, who pitched the previous inning, is still in there). Do I smell a pair of promotions tomorrow?
2007-08-31 21:34:36
96.   jtrichey
C'mon, let's work some magic and get a win for old man Hernandez. He just Keeeeps On Rollllling Along.
2007-08-31 21:35:02
97.   Eric Stephen
Jon, I'm going to partake in a Fungoes marathon this Labor Day weekend to catch up!
2007-08-31 21:36:07
98.   Bob Timmermann
Leadoff triple for Sullivan in the 10th in Arizona.
2007-08-31 21:36:20
99.   underdog
I assume "I may be alone" was sarcasm in 67 .
2007-08-31 21:36:48
100.   Icaros
They just about never give an outfielder an error if he doesn't touch the ball.
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2007-08-31 21:36:55
101.   fanerman
67 100% of the population here agrees with you. Don't worry.
2007-08-31 21:37:17
102.   Lexinthedena
93- C'mon know I was playin'!
2007-08-31 21:37:20
103.   Bluebleeder87

I want Trevor Hoffman to hit Hillenbrand in that part of the leg were it really really hurts.

2007-08-31 21:37:50
104.   Bluebleeder87
oh look good 'ol Hillenbrand got a hit when it didn't matter, sigh.
2007-08-31 21:38:10
105.   underdog
Aw, Shea had to go and ruin the dream with a hit!
2007-08-31 21:38:23
106.   LAT
84. Thanks Icaros.

Now Shea gets a hit. Hurry up Adam. I can't watch this guy any more.

2007-08-31 21:38:48
107.   Bob Timmermann
The guiding rule for the Pierre situation is:

"The official scorer shall charge an outfielder with an error if such outfielder allows a fly ball to drop to the ground if, in the official scorer's judgment, an outfielder at that position making ordinary effort would have caught such fly ball."

Also, the Padres were the home team so they wanted to give out a hit.

2007-08-31 21:38:49
108.   Icaros
Looks like LaRoche may get another at bat tonight. Tying runs on and no out for Salt Lake.
2007-08-31 21:39:22
109.   Bob Timmermann
4-3 Rockies in the 10th after a horrific throwing error by Pena.
2007-08-31 21:41:04
110.   Icaros
Brandon Wood is Salt Lake's last hope after a Vegas double play.
2007-08-31 21:41:15
111.   Lexinthedena
OK...I'm dangerously close to violating rule 11....I'm off to the clubs to see the junior high school homie XL Middleton do some of that G-Funk at club hypnotick in Glendale.....I will watch the bottom of the 9th in silence and then I'm out...

1 more out...let's do something!!!

2007-08-31 21:41:36
112.   LAT
Grady is going to have quite a dilemma when he has to choose between Shea, Sweeny and Olmado to pinch hit.
2007-08-31 21:41:38
113.   Bluebleeder87

well at least we got that going for us.

2007-08-31 21:41:45
114.   King of the Hobos
I assume most of you already know, but as I don't see it posted, Stults is no longer on the active roster. Optioned to give Loaiza a spot. I really hope that if we do get to the playoffs, that Roberto doesn't make the team.
2007-08-31 21:42:02
115.   underdog
Wow, Slappy McClutch comes through!
2007-08-31 21:42:02
116.   LAT
I don't like Matt's cahnces against the change up
2007-08-31 21:42:41
117.   Icaros
Vegas wins!
2007-08-31 21:42:43
118.   Frip
That first swing was all nerves, no thought. Does Kemp think at all?
2007-08-31 21:43:02
119.   Bluebleeder87
so frustrating. such a winnable game. Tomorrow is another day though.
2007-08-31 21:43:05
120.   Eric Stephen
Is the national consensus that Trevor Hoffman is a HOFer? It just seems that down here in San Diego the term "future hall of famer" is automatically linked to Hoffman with such confidence and no one really questions it.

Does he make it in that easily?

2007-08-31 21:43:33
121.   fordprefect
speaking of under the influence in Glendale, is Damon's still serving up those wicked Chi-chi's?
2007-08-31 21:43:39
122.   underdog
Kemp looked like he had a pitch to hit there, too.

Sigh I better go do stuff now, be productive, to make up for the 2 hours+ of my life I just wasted watching that yuck.

2007-08-31 21:44:28
123.   underdog
I know where I'd like those white Padres towels to go, but I'll keep that to myself.

Night all!

2007-08-31 21:44:42
124.   jtrichey
That looked like a driveable pitch for Kemp there, but that's what Hoffman does. Kemp swung a little late on a ball he actually should have swung out of his shoes on.

Yes I think Hoffman is a pretty definite Hall of Famer. Maybe 2nd yera instead of first ballot, but he seems like a shoo-in

2007-08-31 21:45:07
125.   Bluebleeder87
Pierre gave us all a collective punch in the stomach with that horrible miss play, ugh, I'm gonna pretend it never happened.
2007-08-31 21:45:09
126.   LAT
But isn't it pretty clear that "an outfielder at that position making ordinary effort would have caught such fly ball."

A little leaguer would have caught such a fly ball.

2007-08-31 21:45:52
127.   Bob Timmermann
Yes, they are.

My girlfriend loves Damon's.

I tend to spend a lot of time in a room with a lot of porcelain in it after I go there.

2007-08-31 21:46:38
128.   Bob Timmermann


"The official scorer shall not score mental mistakes or misjudgments as errors unless a specific rule prescribes otherwise."

2007-08-31 21:46:51
129.   LAT
120 All time save leader. I would think he is automatic.
2007-08-31 21:47:08
130.   Bluebleeder87
Does he make it in that easily?

In my opinion the dude is a special reliever, cinch HOF, same with Mariano Rivera.

2007-08-31 21:48:08
131.   fordprefect
Hah. Somehow I never got quite that lucky, only got to the anaesthetized phase. I remember when they used to smoke in the bar. Whew.
2007-08-31 21:48:31
132.   Icaros

I agree, but for whatever reason outfielders don't get errors for balls they misjudge by a mile.

2007-08-31 21:49:18
133.   LAT
I'm no arguing witht you Bob but I don't get this. Isn't every error a "mental mistake or misjudgment."
2007-08-31 21:49:25
134.   Icaros
Or what Bob said, of course.
2007-08-31 21:49:38
135.   Bob Timmermann
Lee Smith then asks why he isn't the Hall of Fame.

And why isn't Rich Gossage in the Hall of Fame.

Hoffman may make the Hall of Fame, but it won't be the first time out. He has no Cy Young Awards or MVPs and has not been particularly special in the postseason.

2007-08-31 21:51:00
136.   Frip
I have Time Warner. This game was on channel 255, the Fox Prime Ticket "HD" channel. But the game was definetely not in HD tonight. Anyone know how this works? Or how you know if it's going to be in HD?
2007-08-31 21:51:08
137.   jtrichey
It's not necessarily the all time save leader thing. Lee Smith hasn't gotten a ton of support though he held that title for almost 20 years. I actually think Lee Smith should be in (as well as Gossage, but not Sutter). I think Hoffman and Rivera will be the next relievers in, and neither will have to wait like Lee Smith.
2007-08-31 21:51:21
138.   Marty
I remember when Damons was on Central. Great Mai Tais
2007-08-31 21:51:30
139.   Bob Timmermann

It's just not an error because official scorers have decided it's not an error.

I can't come up with a better explanation.

2007-08-31 21:51:34
140.   Eric Stephen
I really, really hate losing to the Padres. At least I didn't go to stretch my in-person losing streak to San Diego though.

Dodgers are 14-20 at Petco Park (.412), and 21-32 (.396) in San Diego since 2002.

2007-08-31 21:51:40
141.   LAT
I hate the post game Dodger guys. Kennedy points out JP's error and the other idiot implies it was offset by the assist at 3rd.
2007-08-31 21:51:56
142.   Bluebleeder87
by the way the D-Backs are imploding in this game it's now 7-3 in the 10th inning.
2007-08-31 21:52:05
143.   Bob Timmermann
7-3 Rockies in the 10th now.
2007-08-31 21:56:08
144.   fordprefect
I think my wife still has a menu from the old location buried somewhere in our garage--Two dollar dinners.(along with the deed to the old house on Alameda--$5,000 if i remember rightly)
2007-08-31 21:56:17
145.   LAT
139. I can accept that. I live with people in black robes making arbitrary decisions all the time.
2007-08-31 21:59:59
146.   Bob Timmermann
Stare decesis.
2007-08-31 22:00:23
147.   LAT
Ned, you have to ask yourself would Betiment or LaRoche have left 5 base runners or fanned three times? I'm guessing not.
2007-08-31 22:01:37
148.   LAT
146. Indeed.
2007-08-31 22:02:05
149.   Frip
147 Impossible to guess such a thing.
2007-08-31 22:03:42
150.   Eric Stephen
147 Betemit would have whiffed thrice, but he also would have hit at least a double!
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2007-08-31 22:05:31
152.   Frip
So sick of Kevin Kennedy saying the Dodgers shouldn't pay attention to the wild card. Like they can't chew gum and walk at the same time. Like they'll all turn to salt if they glance at the scoreboard.
2007-08-31 22:08:14
153.   Eric Enders
LaRoche is batting .429/.500/.762 this week. His (presumably final) season line:
.310/.399/.594, 18 HR in 261 AB

I reiterate: He should have been playing third base for us the past few days. I don't care how close it is to September 1, there's no excuse for playing a Shea Hillenbrand at third base when you have a guy who's twice as good playing in AAA. He was clearly well enough to play in the minors. That performance shouldn't have been wasted in a Triple A league. Tonight's game might have gone very differently if you subtracted Hillenbrand and added LaRoche.

2007-08-31 22:09:56
155.   Eric Enders
The Moneyball A's have their first baseman and #5 hitter, Dan Johnson, trying to sacrifice right now.
2007-08-31 22:10:40
156.   Eric Enders
And as soon as I type that, Johnson pops up the bunt, swings away on the next pitch, and hits a walk-off double.
2007-08-31 22:11:55
157.   Eric Stephen
Tomorrow's mound opponent, Jake Peavy, has been more than decent against the Dodgers. In his last 8 starts vs. LA (spanning 3 years), Peavy is 5-0 with a 1.94 ERA and 56 Ks in 55.2 IP. Dodgers are hitting .184/.236/.348 against the probably 2007 NL Cy Young winner over those 8 starts.

The only game of those 8 Peavy starts won by the Dodgers was, of course, the 4+1 game.

2007-08-31 22:13:28
159.   Eric Stephen
154 [LaRoche] has had all year to be up this year and hasn't done it

LaRoche can't call himself up!

2007-08-31 22:13:38
160.   PDH5204
143 That Hawpe single there was rather nice, both in real life and in my fantasy world. In other words, Brad rocks! And he upped his average against lefties for one AB as well.
2007-08-31 22:14:52
161.   Eric Stephen
LaRoche can field like Pedro Guerrero for all I care, especially since he can hit like him.
2007-08-31 22:16:46
163.   Frip
From what I remember from when LaRoche was playing with serious players, he's not worth getting this worked up about, yet.
2007-08-31 22:16:50
164.   Bob Timmermann
You know what makes me sick to my stomach?

Salmonella bacteria.

2007-08-31 22:19:43
165.   Eric Stephen
163 When was LaRoche not playing with "serious players"?

Or is that your term for the majors?

2007-08-31 22:23:26
167.   Xeifrank
Yeah, LaRoche if healthy should be playing 3B. I'm sure the reasoning has something to do with veteran, playoff experience, receeding hairline, wily, gutty, [adjective of choice].
vr, Xei
2007-08-31 22:24:42
168.   Xeifrank
162. I agree. Who can we get for a package of Pierre/Nomar/Schmidt/Loaiza?
vr, Xei
2007-08-31 22:26:37
170.   Eric Stephen
166 What's wrong with LaRoche defensively? He's average at worst defensively. And he makes up for it with his bat. His last 3 seasons:

2005: .305/.374/.553
2006: .315/.410/.514
2007: .310/.399/.594

He has legit power, and very good plate discipline. He is everything this lineup needs, and he'll cost $12-$13m less than Beltre, per year, for the next three years.

2007-08-31 22:29:40
172.   Eric Stephen
169 Beltre's 48 HR and amazingly fluky batting year (he's never come close to matching that before or since) contributed much more to the Dodgers' 2004 success than all the defense combined of the players you mentioned.
2007-08-31 22:29:59
173.   Frip
He hit .211 for the Dodgers. I mean...
2007-08-31 22:30:55
175.   Eric Stephen
171 Are you spelling LaRoche's name wrong on purpose to make a point?

If not, I agree. We should not call up "la rouche". But this Andy LaRoche kid is pretty darn good.

2007-08-31 22:32:12
176.   Xeifrank
173. Do you use batting average as the tell all stat? Do you know you are basing this off of 38 at bats? In those 38 at bats he managed to have a higher OPS than Nomar and Hillenbrand. Betemit was higher, but he got traded for spare parts. I think you and kg need to go back to the drawing board.
vr, Xei
2007-08-31 22:32:33
177.   Eric Enders
163 "From what I remember from when LaRoche was playing with serious players, he's not worth getting this worked up about, yet."

Anything to denigrate the young players, right, Frip?

Of the seven players who have started at third base for the Dodgers this year, LaRoche has the best on-base percentage by a country mile. This while playing with an injured labrum.

And then there's this:
"That first swing was all nerves, no thought. Does Kemp think at all?"

If any player other than Kemp swings and misses at that pitch, nobody says a word. But Kemp does it, and all of a sudden he's a mental midget who's incapable of forming a thought. As if you have the first clue about it. How come every time Kemp misses a pitch, all of a sudden everybody's a mind reader and a psychiatric expert? How come when Kemp misses a pitch, it's a mental mistake and not a physical one, as it is with Jeff Kent or whoever? Why the double standard? How come people are always hooting and pointing whenever Kemp misses a breaking ball or a changeup, and yet we don't hear a peep on the frequent occasions when he murders breaking balls and changeups?

Why go out of your way to pick on the guy who's far and away the best hitter on the team? Why not pick on the guys who actually help lose ballgames?

2007-08-31 22:33:25
178.   Xeifrank
174. Please read Rule #1.
vr, Xei
2007-08-31 22:33:30
179.   Frip
He batted 8th, did he not. So he's going to have a better OBP than Nomar.
2007-08-31 22:34:01
180.   Eric Stephen
174 AAA numbers don't mean anything if you choose to ignore them. And I wouldn't mind getting A-Rod.

But, LaRoche has done nothing to disprove the notion that he will be an effective, if not very good major league 3rd baseman.

2007-08-31 22:34:21
182.   Kevin Lewis

PRIME HD is only broadcasted on certain nights. You can tell by looking on the Dodgers schedule on the website. It will say PRIME HD. I have only seen it broadcasted this way a few times,versus the Angels broadcast, which is in HD quite a lot.

This is in response to the other thread on Kent going home on Martin's single. I think the play was called before the hit was even made. When Martin was on second base, he responded to the base coach's signal with a two hand, one out acknowledgment. When I played ball in High School, the base coach would hold up one hand with the number of outs on it to say you are only going to third on a ball hit through the left side and two hands to say you are going home on a single through the left side. I think Russell got the same signal when he was on second, so that is probably why Donnelly was not signaling anything, since the signal had already been given prior to the pitch.

2007-08-31 22:35:48
183.   Xeifrank
Ok, I think the trolls arrived. I'm heading out. Have fun. vr, Xei
2007-08-31 22:35:56
184.   Eric Stephen
179 Does batting 8th provide the .110 point difference in OBP between LaRoche and Nomar?
2007-08-31 22:36:52
185.   LogikReader
This is the first time in a while I didn't feel totally helpless while watching the Padres/Dodgers game tonight. I think the time has now passed where I think of the Padres as "the little brother." Today they are now equal rivals as hated as the guys up north.

I'm encouraged, so long as we get Hillenbrand kicked to the curb as soon as possible. I want to see what this LaRoche guy is all about :)

It's also nice to see the majority of the dead weight has been excised from the lineup lately.

kgibson, don't you have a bridge to go to?

2007-08-31 22:37:47
186.   Frip
182 Thanks for the response. But what I'm saying is that it WAS broadcasted tonight...but curiously not in HD. This has happened a few times. Why show it on the HD channel if it's not in HD?

Eric, I feel your pain. Seriously. In frustration I think you may be blowing things up to be bigger than they are.

2007-08-31 22:38:39
187.   Kevin Lewis
It is like the perfect storm of poorly supported comments.
2007-08-31 22:39:45
188.   Eric Stephen
181 Beltre is good defensively, yes. But since he left LA he has hit .268/.320/.454, good for a 105 OPS+.

I will bet a decent amount of money LaRoche can beat that OPS+ if he gets 300 PA next season, enough to offset any defensive disadvantage.

2007-08-31 22:39:56
189.   Kevin Lewis

Oh, I think it was broadcasted on that channel by mistake then. It was not listed to be in HD, so I think the mistake happened there. SD signal broadcasted on HD channel

2007-08-31 22:40:09
190.   LogikReader

ESPN relapse, sorry buddy. I didn't mean to pull a Rule 2.

2007-08-31 22:40:49
191.   LogikReader
I'd better run myself... nite all!
2007-08-31 22:41:00
192.   regfairfield
I love how Loney is called a viable corner infielder with his .152 isolated slugging while LaRoche is dismissed as trash.

For all the stuff people talk on here about dumb announcers, there's so much emphasis placed on small sample size and batting average by a lot of posters.

Seriously, LaRoche is our best hitting prospect by a country mile, and there seems to be a lot of effort to denigrate his achievements.

2007-08-31 22:41:36
193.   underdog
I'm confused. When did the Dodgers sign Lyndon LaRouche? Was he on the same AAA team featuring Eric Stoltz?
2007-08-31 22:42:11
194.   Bob Timmermann
I don't believe kgibson will be visiting much more.
2007-08-31 22:42:18
195.   underdog
192 A lot of effort mostly by one incoherent poster, you mean.
2007-08-31 22:43:25
196.   Eric Stephen
Great, I linked to all those posts for nothing!
2007-08-31 22:44:20
197.   Eric Stephen
194 Bob, do you have the power to drop the hammer like that? Not that I don't already fear your awesome power.
2007-08-31 22:44:26
198.   Eric Enders
Tomorrow's lineup?

SS Furcal
CF The Player
RF Ethier
2B Kent
LF Gonzalez
C Martin
1B Loney
3B LaRoche
P Lowe

I think Kemp will sit against Peavy. He is, after all, inconsistent. And he hasn't proven himself. And he has halitosis.

2007-08-31 22:45:03
199.   Eric Enders
197 I don't believe Eric Stephen will be visiting much more.
2007-08-31 22:45:37
200.   Icaros
I love Big Brother. He keeps me warm and safe.
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2007-08-31 22:46:34
201.   Eric Enders
Bob is going to feel horrible when he finds out that was the real Kirk Gibson.
2007-08-31 22:46:35
202.   Eric Stephen
198 I really hope LaRoche starts as soon as he's up, then takes third base before Nomar gets back, and never gives it up.
2007-08-31 22:46:39
203.   Bob Timmermann
I have a 00 designation.
2007-08-31 22:48:48
204.   Eric Stephen
201 Ha! I was thinking the same thing; it would be great if Kirk Gibson was just spreading his special brand of intensity at DT, when Bob came around all Orosco-like and put eye-black all over his keyboard.

199 In the end, there can only be one Eric. Oh wait, I have no chance. Never mind!

2007-08-31 22:49:09
205.   Icaros

Sure Eric, put LaRoche in the 8th spot so he can rack up some more of that cheap OBP.

2007-08-31 22:49:39
206.   Eric Stephen
203 License to Griddle
2007-08-31 22:51:36
207.   Frip
I should go to bed, but I'm in a kind of trance, like when I watch cooking shows for no reason.
2007-08-31 22:52:21
208.   Bob Timmermann
Actually all the 00 designation gets me is a congratulatory phone call from my choice of either Jim Otto or Ken Burrough.
2007-08-31 22:52:42
209.   Eric Enders
205 I was just putting forth my best hope for what whatsisface might write on the lineup card.

You want the fantasy version? Okay.

SS Furcal
C Martin
RF Ethier
2B Kent
CF Kemp
1B Loney
3B LaRoche
LF Gonzalez
P Lowe

2007-08-31 22:53:13
210.   underdog
So when will the team announce the first round of call-ups? I'm gonna make a prediction:

Abreu, LaRoche, Young, Meloan, Hull, Houlton, Stults (on Sept 4) and Moeller. (Poor Ken Huckaby!)

That might be it. What do I get if I win?

Besides the pleasure of getting to see some of these guys play.

2007-08-31 22:54:31
211.   Eric Enders
I guess you all noticed that Randy Wolf's doctor's surname is an anagram for "reattach."

Also, you can't spell Gibson without Bison.

2007-08-31 22:55:08
212.   Eric Stephen
209 Heck, why not reward Delwyn Young for his sweet season in Vegas? Start him in LF.
2007-08-31 22:55:10
213.   LogikReader
Can we rule out an off-season trade of Pierre for baseballs or maybe some chewing gum? I'd be OK with Repko in CF if he managed to return next year.
2007-08-31 22:56:55
214.   Eric Stephen
211 And you can't spell America without Eric.

One day, when I run for office, I'm going to use that slogan. And lose 77% to 23%. The race would be called with 1% of the precintcs reporting.

2007-08-31 22:58:16
215.   Frip
I may be having dinner at The Porch at The House of Blues in Hollywood tomorrow. Can anyone tell me if it's going to be too loud to have a dinner conversation? Cuz I really hate that.
2007-08-31 22:59:47
216.   Eric Enders
On Sunday, meanwhile, I'm going with the special Neil Young lineup:

Homegrown's all right with me
Homegrown is the way it should be
Homegrown is a good thing
Plant that bell and let it ring!

C Martin
RF Ethier
CF Kemp
1B Loney
3B LaRoche
LF Young
2B Abreu
P Billingsley

2007-08-31 23:00:24
217.   Eric Stephen
210 From Tony Jackson: "The Dodgers are expected to promote some players from Las Vegas today and some more on Monday."

I wonder who waits until Monday. Maybe Houlton stays till the end of the 51s season?

2007-08-31 23:02:17
218.   Eric Enders
Monday would be a weird day, because the 51s season is not over yet. They play their final game that day. You'd think players would be called up either tomorrow or Tuesday.
2007-08-31 23:04:07
219.   Eric Enders
Diamond Leung reports Nomar could be activated tomorrow.


2007-08-31 23:05:31
220.   Eric Stephen
219 But only for pinch hitting duties. Might be a week until he's ready to play in the field (or run the bases if he gets on).
2007-08-31 23:06:38
221.   fanerman
Nomar Garciaparra, professional pinch hitter?

Roster expansion day is kinda like Christmas. Or a birthday.

2007-08-31 23:07:49
222.   Eric Enders
Papa, can I unwrap Andy LaRoche early?
2007-08-31 23:08:19
223.   Eric Stephen
Hey, bad luck charm Michael Barrett is due to be activated from the DL tomorrow. Let the Padre freefall begin!
2007-08-31 23:09:20
224.   Eric Stephen
221 fanerman, is your real name Eric? Because you Mike Sweeney'd a run of "Eric" posts.
2007-08-31 23:09:59
225.   Eric Enders
Either Tony Jackson or Randy Wolf missed the lecture covering nautical metaphors in Crash Davis' class.

``I really have no idea,'' Wolf said. ``I'm in unchartered waters.''

2007-08-31 23:12:21
226.   fanerman
224 Sorry to disappoint, but nope =/.
2007-08-31 23:12:34
227.   King of the Hobos
217 Houlton pitched yesterday, albeit only threw 35 pitches, so he's a good guess to come up Monday/Tuesday. And Stults is due to come up after the Vegas season ends as well.

My initial guess would have been to see who's not in the Vegas game today, and who's not in the Inland Empire game (where the Vegas replacements would likely come from, like Hoffmann and Dunlap last year). Hull and Meloan were both absent today, despite the fact there was a save situation, and extra innings. No Moeller or Hu either. However, the Inland Empire game was rained out, and I don't think a lineup was ever posted.

2007-08-31 23:13:45
228.   Eric Stephen
The Padres are 8-17 in games started by Michael Barrett. Not that I believe it's all his fault. I'm just grasping at straws here.

Anything to throw Peavy off his game.

2007-08-31 23:17:47
229.   Eric Enders
I know I keep hemorraging at the mouth about LaRoche, but one more thing. His line today was 6-4-4-4. No player in Los Angeles Dodger history has ever had a box score line ending in "444."

Three guys actually did better than "444," though.

Shawn Green 2002-05-23 6667
Mike Marshall 1987-06-07 5445
Steve Garvey 1977-08-28 5555

2007-08-31 23:18:55
230.   Eric Stephen
J.J. Furmaniak scored the winning run for the A's tonight, and I didn't know the last part of his last name was pronounced like "maniac" (I thought it was fur-MAN-i-ak). He is immediately more interesting to me now.
2007-08-31 23:19:31
231.   Eric Enders
hemorraghing. I need a better editor.
2007-08-31 23:25:37
232.   Gen3Blue
I need to sleep. Its 2:30 here. But Laroche could help if the darn guy is healthy.
2007-08-31 23:26:04
233.   Frip
229 Eric, what can you tell us about the pitchers he's been facing?
2007-08-31 23:29:59
234.   s choir
Been lurking for a few months, but just wanted to drop in my two cents on LaRoche:

Cent #1: Despite the walks, LaRoche's plate discipline showed room for improvement during his mid-season callup. He consistently looked foolish against curveballs. Batting 8th, however, he didn't have to face many curveballs, so this weakness was masked.

Cent #2: The extra development time in the minors allows the Dodgers to stop his arbitration clock. I have heard the adage that 'tis better to bring a player up too soon than to cut him too late. I'm not sure I agree from a long-term perspective.

I definitely hope they bring him up tomorrow, though. I'll be looking forward to reading Roster Thoughts here tomorrow (seems as though Roster Thoughts has persisted throughout the season).

2007-09-01 00:03:32
235.   dzzrtRatt
Ken Gurnick, mee-YOW:

Callups: The Dodgers, who protect roster move information as if a leak would jeopardize homeland security, would not reveal which players would be promoted Saturday when rosters expand. Candidates included Andy LaRoche, Tony Abreu, Delwyn Young, John Meloan, Eric Hull, and D.J. Houlton from Triple-A Las Vegas. They also are likely to bring up a catcher, either Ken Huckaby or Chad Moeller.

Stop scratching the furniture!

2007-09-01 00:08:14
236.   King of the Hobos
Wolf, from LAT:

"It's really unfortunate," Wolf said. "But I went into this year understanding the risks. I went to L.A. wanting to play for the Dodgers. I took that gamble and I lost. But I'd do it again."

2007-09-01 00:12:32
237.   King of the Hobos
236 Wow, please ignore that. I guess I should have reread Jon initial post.
2007-09-01 00:19:53
238.   silverwidow
Gotta love Hillenbrand's two (!) walks in 55 ABs with us. That 8th spot really inflates his OBP...
2007-09-01 00:23:48
239.   dzzrtRatt
No more Hillebrand, no more Shea
Adam LaRoche is on the way!*
No more K's with RISP
A star's what Adam's going to be!

*I'm assuming.

2007-09-01 00:55:59
240.   silverwidow
Hu, Meloan, Moeller, and Houlton will be up Saturday.

In the case of Meloan, FINALLY!

2007-09-01 00:57:04
241.   dzzrtRatt
Let me try this again:

No more Hillebrand, no more Shea
Andy LaRoche is on the way!
No more K's with RISP
A star's what Andy's going to be!

(The heat is getting to me.)

2007-09-01 01:13:49
242.   Eric Enders
Let's go Hillenbrand, let's go Shea!
Andy LaRoche to Tampa Bay
K's and K's and GIDP
Somebody please euthanize me

The Meloan callup will be news to the Press-Telegram's Bob Keissler, who writes in tomorrow's paper that "the system's five best pitching prospects - Scott Elbert, Clayton Kershaw, Jonathan Meloan, Greg Miller and Justin Orenduff - aren't likely to grace a 25-man roster before 2009."

Those are clearly not the five best pitching prospects, but whatever.

2007-09-01 03:04:25
243.   natepurcell

i think he just looked at a BA top 30 list going into the season without doing any actual researching.

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