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LaRoche Forced To Be Disk Jockey
2007-09-04 07:41
by Jon Weisman

Andy LaRoche will need to be diligent in taking care of his back problems for the remainder of his career, writes Diamond Leung of the Press-Enterprise:

LaRoche suffered a partially protruded disk in his back this season, an injury that he will have to monitor for the remainder of his career.

"The doctor said as long as I keep exercising it, it should be fine," LaRoche said. "There is a small chance it can get worse."

LaRoche said a minor back issue he thought he had dealt with during the spring worsened during a season that saw him receive his first major league call-up in May and end up spending time on the disabled list after returning to Class AAA Las Vegas.

  • Jerry Crasnick of asks of the Padres the question Dodger fans became familiar with this summer: Is it the hitting coach or the personnel?

    Update: Something I had never focused on before regarding the whirlwind joy of Pedro Astacio's first major league game, of which I've written about frequently - Astacio's pitch count. From Tom Verducci of

    Once there was a day -- July 3, 1992, to be exact -- when a manager (Tommy Lasorda) gave the ball to a 21-year-old rookie (Pedro Astacio) for his first major-league start, said, "Go get 'em," and let him throw 144 pitches -- for a team hopelessly out of the race, mind you.

    Honestly, I'm so happy I didn't pay attention to pitch counts back then. Not that pitch-counts have been recorded for every major league debut, but Astacio's is the second-highest of all that have been recorded, according to, trailing only Tim Wakefield. Ramon Martinez is 10th on the list.

    Astacio's Game Score in his debut is the fifth-best in major-league history since 1957.

    1) Juan Marichal, 7/19/60 - nine innings, no runs, one hit, one walk, 12 strikeouts, game score of 96
    2) Steve Woodard, 7/28/07 - eight innings, no runs, one hit, one walk, 12 strikeouts, game score of 91
    3) Jimmy Jones, 9/21/96 - nine innings, no runs, one hit, no walks, five strikeouts, game score of 90
    4) Rudy May, 4/18/65 - nine innings, one unearned run, one hit, five walks, 10 strikeouts, game score of 88
    5) Pedro Astacio, 7/3/92 - nine innings, no runs, three hits, four walks, 10 strikeouts, game score of 87

    Update 2: A quick look at the stretch-run schedules of the NL West playoff contenders at my latest Fungoes posting at Also, there's an audience-participation segment at the bottom!

    Update 3: This year's free agent hitters get a preview from Rich Lederer at Baseball Analysts.

  • Comments (223)
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    2007-09-04 07:48:58
    1.   D4P
    On an unrelated note, fans of "The Wonder Years" might appreciate this "The Wonder Years: 25 Best Moments" piece I ran across recently on the internets.

    2007-09-04 07:49:59
    2.   Gen3Blue
    I don't like the sound of that, but I've seen exercise programs work wonders for some people. Unless its more extensive than one disc, I would think there must be a surgery that would be effective--if it came to that.
    2007-09-04 07:53:37
    3.   Jon Weisman
    1 - That is too major for me to respond to right now.
    2007-09-04 07:57:13
    4.   D4P
    Yeah, it takes some time to sink your teeth into. But in the end, your teeth will tell you it was worth the effort.
    2007-09-04 08:02:42
    5.   Jon Weisman
    4 - I'll make a thread at Screen Jam for it, though.
    2007-09-04 08:29:40
    6.   eusmus
    I remember a couple of people here criticizing Logan White for drafting Hochevar over Clay Buchholz the other day so I thought this might be relevant.

    2007-09-04 08:38:49
    7.   Vishal
    2 i'm no doctor, but from what i understand, back surgery in general is extremely complicated and risky. in many cases it's almost as likely to make the condition worse than it is to make it better.
    2007-09-04 08:48:21
    8.   Bob Timmermann
    Many of us have already carved a 20 foot marble statue of Clay Buchholz to make our worshiping easier.
    2007-09-04 08:49:06
    9.   Jon Weisman
    7 - That's been my impression. It's hard to know what to do in those situations.
    2007-09-04 08:52:31
    10.   D4P
    Did the many carve a single statue together, or did they each carve their own statues...?
    2007-09-04 08:56:38
    11.   Bob Timmermann
    There are actually parts of L.A. covered in collections of terra cotta Clay Buchholzes in various poses. It's quite an impressive site and people travel for thousands of miles to come see them.

    Archaeologists are still debating the meaning of them.

    2007-09-04 08:58:56
    12.   D4P
    I think I'd prefer a marble Clay over a, well, clay Clay.
    2007-09-04 09:02:45
    13.   Bob Timmermann
    I find it more unusual that there are two Buchholzes pitching in the majors now and they aren't related.
    2007-09-04 09:05:24
    14.   FirstMohican
    So if we had drafted Clay instead of Hochevar and Hochevar was signed by the team that took him, we likely wouldn't have Kershaw?

    What's anyone's take on Clay vs. Clayton?

    2007-09-04 09:07:44
    15.   jtrichey
    Sorry, what is the 127 reference to Pedro Martinez in the previous thread?
    2007-09-04 09:12:33
    16.   kinbote
    after looking at the schedules for teams involved in the wild card scrum, i think we may have more trouble keeping up with philly than catching arizona. i hope arizona expends all their energy trying to catch the padres--san diego seems destined to win the division.
    2007-09-04 09:16:13
    17.   Jon Weisman
    Updates to this post above.
    2007-09-04 09:18:56
    18.   Gagne55
    Jon puts the fun in fungoes.
    2007-09-04 09:22:33
    19.   FirstMohican
    Clay Buchholz is in rarer company that we thought:

    Clay Buchholz 2007
    Taylor Buchholz 2006-2007
    Don Buschhorn 1965
    Mark Eichhorn 1982-1996
    Harry Lochhead 1899-1901

    This does not include players with first names ending in and last names starting with "h".

    2007-09-04 09:26:00
    20.   Jon Weisman
    15 - Should I give away the answer yet?
    2007-09-04 09:26:16
    21.   Vishal
    15 click on pedro's name, which links to his baseball-reference page, and you should be able to figure it out.
    2007-09-04 09:34:14
    22.   Bob Timmermann
    RIP, a chair in my apartment.

    The "Furniture Medic" came and took a look at it and declared it DOA.

    It was just three years old.

    2007-09-04 09:38:25
    23.   D4P

    1. some corn, and
    2. this in the ole' media player.

    2007-09-04 09:38:30
    24.   Vishal
    from fungoes, my nl west gold gloves...

    c: russell martin
    1b: adrian gonzalez, maybe
    2b: orlando hudson
    3b: probably pedro feliz
    ss: troy tulowitzki
    cf: um, willy taveras?
    lf: eric byrnes
    rf: randy winn, perhaps
    p: i have no idea

    2007-09-04 09:40:25
    25.   Bob Timmermann
    Greg Maddux has a lifetime certificate for a Gold Glove.
    2007-09-04 09:41:52
    26.   Jon Weisman
    24 - Did you post it there, too? I'm glad to see it here, but I'd like to get the comments going there, too.
    2007-09-04 09:42:20
    27.   Vishal
    25 i thought about that, but i disagree in principle with the concept of a legacy gold glove. the man is past 40; is he really the best fielding pitcher in the division/league? i'm thinking not.
    2007-09-04 09:43:05
    28.   D4P
    is he really the best fielding pitcher in the division/league?

    Since when was that a criterion...?

    2007-09-04 09:45:08
    29.   Bob Timmermann
    It's a little-known fact that pays the Fungoes writers by the comment.

    That's why I didn't get any money.

    2007-09-04 09:47:44
    30.   Vishal
    26 okay, done
    2007-09-04 09:48:21
    31.   Vishal
    28 well, when i'm handing them out, they are.
    2007-09-04 09:48:54
    32.   Bob Timmermann
    Now Jon will get enough money to buy his daughter a child-sized Dodger jersey with "Astacio" on it.
    2007-09-04 09:49:07
    33.   Vishal
    er, it is.
    2007-09-04 09:50:29
    34.   Johnson
    21 Nope. Perhaps it's a reference to something I'm not familiar with (say, "Arrested Development"). Of all the myriad numbers listed on Pedro's BR page, 127 isn't one of them.
    2007-09-04 09:52:58
    35.   underdog
    No love for Horst Bucholz?
    2007-09-04 09:55:55
    36.   Gagne55
    34 Yeah I scanned through for 127 as well. Couldn't find any stat that was 127. Then I thought maybe the DeShields trade was on January 27, but that wasn't it either.
    2007-09-04 09:56:15
    37.   kngoworld
    34 Try adding two numbers together...
    2007-09-04 09:56:34
    38.   ssjames
    34 Doing the tiniest amount of math on Pedro's BR page will show you where exactly that 127 number comes from.
    2007-09-04 09:57:07
    39.   StolenMonkey86
    going along with the free agent hitter update, Kent has 55 more PA until his option vests.
    2007-09-04 10:01:45
    40.   LogikReader
    Is that why they're taking him out in the 7th inning every day?
    2007-09-04 10:03:45
    41.   StolenMonkey86
    38 - last year's K - HBP?
    2007-09-04 10:04:56
    42.   Johnson
    37 38 Ah, OK. Though to be fair, there are about 6 thousand different numbers on the page, so you have to actually be thinking in the right (though fairly obvious, I guess) direction to see it.
    2007-09-04 10:06:15
    43.   StolenMonkey86
    oh, adding. Got it.
    2007-09-04 10:06:35
    44.   LogikReader

    I was just kidding. It would be impossible for Jeff Kent to get less than 60 at bats the rest of the way, barring injury.

    2007-09-04 10:13:44
    45.   StolenMonkey86
    also, if you assume 4.4 AB per game (and I have no idea if that's high or low for him), Pierre needs to hit .320 for the rest of the year to get to 200 hits. He has 165 now.
    2007-09-04 10:15:39
    46.   StolenMonkey86
    44 - and he only needs 55 plate appearances, so yeah
    2007-09-04 10:15:51
    47.   Bob Timmermann
    Juan Pierre is averaging 4.5 PA per game this year.
    2007-09-04 10:21:29
    48.   Bob Timmermann
    For comparison purposes, Rafael Furcal is averaging 4.7 PA per game this year.
    2007-09-04 10:33:06
    49.   Sam DC
    I find this so strange. At, there is an ad running for some movie, and in red it says "Click here for R-Rated Trailer."

    If you click for the r-rated trailer, than you get a form asking for name and other info from your=government issued ID, and small print saying that by hitting submit you give them permission to compare your info with the data you gave to the government.

    Just odd in multiple ways.

    2007-09-04 10:33:27
    50.   Gagne55
    37 Are these two numbers by definition league adjusted?
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    2007-09-04 10:34:12
    51.   Bob Timmermann
    I trust my government! Especially when it lets me watch trailers of Coen brothers films.
    2007-09-04 10:42:17
    52.   Vishal
    50 um, no. think about the context of the post, and why we, as DT denizens, would care about pedro....
    2007-09-04 10:47:25
    53.   fanerman
    37 I got it with that hint. Was some quick math.
    2007-09-04 10:48:26
    54.   FirstMohican
    My first guess was that it was Pedro's weight as a Dodger.
    2007-09-04 10:54:54
    55.   Nagman
    So Sunday's game at SF is not going to be televised (besides MLB.TV)? Besides being the start of the NFL season (which shouldn't affect Prime or KCAL), is there any reason for it not to be?

    I find it hard to believe that they looked at that game before the season started and figured that a game in September w/ the Giants would not be important. (Okay, it might end up not to be that important but they couldn't have thought that when they were setting the TV schedule).

    2007-09-04 10:59:32
    56.   blue22
    55 - It's on channel 747 on DirecTV (alas, not in HD however). Though based on your post, looks like I'll be gettin' some Kruk and Kuip.
    2007-09-04 11:08:32
    57.   Nagman
    56 - Ha, I had forgotten that since I don't live in LA, I guess I will get the game on EI, but yeah, must be the Giant broadcast.

    I only noticed because I was looking at the schedule (calendar layout) and the box looked empty without the KCAL,FOX, or PRIME written in it. Weird.

    2007-09-04 11:09:30
    58.   Eric Enders
    So is it just me, or is Mike's latest Baseball Rant waaaay off base regarding Pedro?

    "So what's the verdict? A reasonable twilight to his career would make him pretty much a lock for the Hall. ... You could make a strong argument for his being the best pitcher in the game from 1997 to 2003. Outside of that he was very good if oft-injured pitcher."

    That's kind of like saying you could make a reasonable argument that Ronald Reagan was President of the United States from 1981-1989. Or that Babe Ruth was a pretty good yet pudgy hitter.

    Either Mike's perception of a Hall of Fame caliber career is way off, or mine is. Wasn't Pedro a lock if he got hit by a bus five years ago? We're talking about a guy who is by far the greatest pitcher who ever lived, at least if you go by ERA+. Does he really need "a reasonable twilight to his career" to strengthen his case?

    2007-09-04 11:10:56
    59.   Slipstream
    Speaking of pitch counts, Theo Epstein was quoted in the Boston Globe as saying that Buchholz would not have been allowed to go beyond 120 pitches, no-hitter or not.

    "We couldn't go beyond 120 pitches," said Epstein, who said he talked to Francona a couple of times during the game. "Thank God it didn't get to that. That would have been a horrible position, to take him out with a no-hitter in the ninth, but he would not have started a hitter after 120 pitches."

    Somehow, it's hard to believe that Francona would have taken him out in the ninth with a no-hitter on the line.

    2007-09-04 11:13:27
    60.   blue22
    Was that brutal week-of-doubleheaders (Astacio's first start was Game 2 of the first of 3 double-headers in less than 1 week's time) a result of the Rodney King riots?
    2007-09-04 11:13:34
    61.   regfairfield
    58 Pretty much. From his peak alone Pedro is in the top 10 players of all time. I think there's an argument to be made that he's behind only Ruth and Bonds on the all time list.

    At least a couple years ago, Pedro had a bigger lead on Lefty Grove in ERA+ (Grove is #2 all time) than Tom Glavine had over the average pitcher.

    2007-09-04 11:13:55
    62.   Gagne55
    Ok, I think I know what it is now. And if not, then I've found a whole new 127. :)
    2007-09-04 11:15:22
    63.   blue22
    57 - It's possible that even LA residents could get that game (on EI). Is it subject to the blackout even if the local team isn't carrying it?
    2007-09-04 11:17:13
    64.   Eric Enders
    59 In Boston the manager doesn't make the decision on those kinds of things. Francona has been quoted as saying that he was on the phone with the front office during the 7th and 8th innings to find out how far he was allowed to let Buchholz go.
    2007-09-04 11:20:16
    65.   Eric Enders
    63 Yes, it's blacked out in team's territory regardless of whether it's actually on TV. That's actually one of the purposes of having the blackouts, from MLB's perspective -- that fans who are blacked out of games will demand that their cable company start carrying the network, or that the network carry more games.
    2007-09-04 11:27:46
    66.   LogikReader

    I don't know when the last time was that this happened. It might have been eons ago, back when the Dodgers were in Montreal in '02 or something. Actually make that '03 during a trip to Detroit, or was that '04?

    2007-09-04 11:29:33
    67.   LogikReader
    It was '03

    2007-09-04 11:33:45
    68.   Bluebleeder87
    on Jons opening to the thread: I've always kept it simple & said just read Dr. John E. Sarno's book "Healing Back Pain: The Mind-Body Connection" but I'm pretty sure it's a little more complicated than that, I've read the book & it's extremely mind opening.
    2007-09-04 11:34:17
    69.   Eric Enders
    Wasn't the Shawn Green game not televised by either team?
    2007-09-04 11:36:15
    70.   Bluebleeder87
    Heres a tid bit of what the book is about (very interesting) [ ]
    2007-09-04 11:36:35
    71.   Disabled List
    58 That reminds me of the arguments over whether or not Mike Piazza is a Hall-of-Famer. I sometimes wonder what Hall of Fame these people are talking about.
    2007-09-04 11:41:51
    72.   Sam DC
    Eric -- just in case you missed it, thought you might get a laugh out of comment 471 in this thread.
    2007-09-04 11:43:09
    73.   Bluebleeder87

    He actually is very handy with the glove though.

    2007-09-04 11:45:48
    74.   old dodger fan

    From 1997 - 2004 (excluding 2001 when he was injured and only pitched in 18 games) Pedro's Cy Young award rankings were 1,2,1,1,2,3,4. That is an amazing 7 year span. Prior to 1997 he had some excellent years but did it with some not so good teams. His ERA during that span was 1st or 2nd every year. Looking at about half a dozen stats he was at the top in almost everything. He is one of just a handful of ballplayers that you can just say his first name and everyone knows who you are talking about.

    Koufax got in based on 5 years.

    If Pedro quit tomorrow I would vote for him and would be shocked if he did not get in.

    Ref-"By far the greatest pitcher who ever lived". You know a lot more about baseball than I do and maybe it is just my age but for 17 years in a row Warren Spahn was one of the top pitchers in the game. He was never as dominent as Pedro but for 17 years the Braves knew they were going to be in the game every time he went out there.

    I think when you define "greatest" some weight goes to dominance and some goes to longevity (as long as it includes excellence). Over any one year I would rather have Pedro or Koufax or Gibson. For a career, I think Spahn was the best in my lifetime.

    2007-09-04 11:47:16
    75.   Bluebleeder87
    It would be impossible for Jeff Kent to get less than 60 at bats the rest of the way, barring injury.

    Did you have something in mind? (I'm game) ;o) just kidding, but wow it looks like Old man Kent will stick around for '08 huh.

    2007-09-04 11:48:03
    76.   Eric Enders
    72 Heh, that's pretty funny. Definitely be careful with that thing, it's heavy enough to injure someone seriously. The upside is it makes a great doorstop.
    2007-09-04 11:49:07
    77.   Bob Timmermann
    The Yahoo TV listings for Sunday show the Dodgers game being shown on Fox Prime Ticket on Sunday.
    2007-09-04 11:49:47
    78.   Disabled List
    Addendum to 71 : Mike's Baseball Rants also mentions that Randy Johnson has a "strong case" for the Hall of Fame, as opposed to "locks" like Maddux and Clemens.

    Even if they never pitch another game, here are the active pitchers who most assuredly will visit Cooperstown in a suit someday: Clemens, Maddux, Pedro, Johnson, Glavine, Smoltz, Schilling, Rivera, and Hoffman.

    Mark it, Dude.

    2007-09-04 11:50:15
    79.   underdog
    Huh, I looked it up on and it shows FSN Bay Area as televising the Sunday game (on channel 40 for SF comcast subscribers). So it's listed as being televised at least. Which means if it's not on in LA, it should be on MLBTV at least.

    Looking forward to the Lions-Raiders game, too. :-/ (Sorry, Train.) Speaking of which, is there an MLBTV for the NFL, and does it cost more?

    2007-09-04 11:51:08
    80.   underdog
    What's annoying is WGN isn't televising today's Cubs-Dodgers game. Tomorrow's is on ESPN, at least. Guess I'll work late and have MLBTV queued up.
    2007-09-04 11:53:14
    81.   dzzrtRatt
    75 Do we have somebody better than Jeff Kent that he's "blocking?"
    2007-09-04 11:55:08
    82.   Eric Enders
    74 I don't believe Pedro is a definitive choice for the best pitcher of all time. What I was getting at is that ERA+ is probably the most important stat for pitchers, and in that particular category he runs circles around everybody else. Of course, you'd have to balance that with the longevity of people like Spahn and Clemens and Walter Johnson.

    Pedro's winning percentage is also #1 all-time among post-1900 pitchers with at least 1500 innings.

    2007-09-04 11:56:07
    83.   imperabo
    81 A hibiscus?
    2007-09-04 11:56:15
    84.   Eric Enders
    80 Tomorrow's game is on WGN, though. Can't imagine what benefit they get out of showing the same game head-to-head with ESPN but not televising today's.
    2007-09-04 11:59:58
    85.   Sam DC
    Ray King has been traded to the Brewers.

    Racing Sausages beware!!

    2007-09-04 12:02:32
    86.   Bob Timmermann
    There must be some sort of complicated calculus that explains which games get shown on which outlets for the Cubs.

    It's about as complicated as YES figuring out which pairing of announcers they use for Yankee broadcasts.

    2007-09-04 12:02:32
    87.   heato
    Tomko signed with the Padres.

    2007-09-04 12:03:14
    88.   underdog
    85 Heh.

    84 Can't imagine either, except perhaps that they have a ton of "America's Funniest Pets and People" episodes they're contracted to expose their viewers to. Pet lizards or Steve Trachsel - which move slower?

    2007-09-04 12:03:41
    89.   underdog
    87 Seriously??!
    2007-09-04 12:04:03
    90.   old dodger fan

    My daughter was writing a book report this weekend on a book titled, "Ender's Game." I thought it was a baseball book until I read the first few pages.

    2007-09-04 12:04:38
    91.   Joshua Worley

    I agree that Pedro was already a lock 5 years ago.

    2007-09-04 12:05:12
    92.   Bob Timmermann
    Yes, it is.
    2007-09-04 12:05:17
    93.   LogikReader

    I CAN'T BELIEVE... what I just read!

    2007-09-04 12:05:58
    94.   old dodger fan
    87 Next week- Tomko vs Wells.
    2007-09-04 12:06:13
    95.   LogikReader
    Now let's see, so basically the two teams swapped 5th starters, they being the Dodgers and Pads.

    That's a swap that I don't have much problem with.

    2007-09-04 12:12:05
    96.   Dark Horse
    87-Now that's magnificent. Ordinarily, I dread facing ex-Dodgers, but really, that's the sort of pick-up that gives me hope.

    Also, it suggests their front office isn't actually any smarter than ours, for what that's worth: I suspect a great deal.

    2007-09-04 12:12:48
    97.   Bob Timmermann
    Brett Tomko vs the Dodgers in his career.

    2007-09-04 12:14:32
    98.   underdog
    Man, and I thought the Dodgers were desperate.

    Next week: The DBacks trade for Matt Morris and the Rockies sign Scott Erickson to a minor league contract.

    2007-09-04 12:14:49
    99.   Eric Enders
    Couldn't we have just traded Tomko for Wells to begin with?
    2007-09-04 12:14:59
    100.   Bluebleeder87

    as far as D goes yes (his lack of range P.O'S many of us) but his bat is still very solid so I guess I'm o.k. with him being back for '08.

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    2007-09-04 12:15:09
    101.   D4P
    If the 2003 Dodgers could "own" one pitcher, it would have to be Brett Tomko.
    2007-09-04 12:15:17
    102.   underdog
    Yeah, I would worry about that one more than you'd think - Tomko would probably pitch the game of his life against the Dodgers. But he'll definitely suck against everyone else.
    2007-09-04 12:15:24
    103.   ssjames
    In the last two years 2006 and 2007, the Dodgers have employed seven different players who rank within the current top 500 in career homeruns hit.

    Anybody care to guess as to which 7 those were?

    2007-09-04 12:16:02
    104.   Eric Enders
    I will say this for Kent: Whatever his other defensive shortcomings, he is still fantastic at turning the pivot on a double play.
    2007-09-04 12:18:14
    105.   Bluebleeder87
    Now let's see, so basically the two teams swapped 5th starters, they being the Dodgers and Pads.

    You know what man, I'd much rather have David Wells than Tomko, I really hope they make him a starter, woah.

    2007-09-04 12:20:06
    106.   Eric Enders
    The Padres are getting ever closer to their goal of being able to field a lineup composed entirely of "old friends."

    1B Brian Myrow
    2B Hiram Bocachica
    SS Oscar Robles
    LF Brady Clark
    CF Milton Bradley
    RF Jose Cruz Jr.
    SP Greg Maddux
    RP Brett Tomko

    2007-09-04 12:20:15
    107.   imperabo
    Apparently there was a bidding war for Tomko. Colorado was the "loser".
    2007-09-04 12:21:02
    108.   Bob Timmermann
    I thought the Padres released Cruz?
    2007-09-04 12:21:12
    109.   kngoworld
    This can not be a good sign for either Chris Young's or Jake Peavy's recent health problems. This should be a good sign for the Dodgers and Diamondbacks.
    2007-09-04 12:21:26
    110.   Gagne55
    75 You say that like it's a bad thing.

    87 Wells and Tomko going head to head would be awesome. And I find this whole situation quite amusing.

    103 Kent, Gonzo, Jose Cruz, Nomar, Saenz, Andersen

    2007-09-04 12:22:16
    111.   Gagne55
    oh and Ledee
    2007-09-04 12:23:33
    112.   old dodger fan
    103 Lofton
    2007-09-04 12:24:57
    113.   ssjames
    You guys have got five of the seven right, but you are missing two and have three incorrect guesses.
    2007-09-04 12:25:16
    114.   Eric Enders
    103 That's pretty hard, actually.

    The last one must be Mueller, Lofton, Furcal or Alomar... I'll say Lofton.

    2007-09-04 12:26:16
    115.   FirstMohican
    96 - "it suggests their front office isn't actually any smarter than ours"

    I disagree, considering how much the Pads will pay Tomko vs. how much the Dodgers have paid him.

    2007-09-04 12:26:53
    116.   ssjames
    114 nailed, with the correct guess of Lofton as the final one.
    2007-09-04 12:27:07
    117.   Eric Enders
    115 And for how long they will pay him vs. how long the Dodgers paid him.
    2007-09-04 12:29:56
    118.   Bob Timmermann
    Remember that in Game 161 of the 2004 season, Tomko was the starter for the Giants and he kept the Dodgers in check while he was in. It wasn't until the Giants bullpen melted down that the Dodgers won.
    2007-09-04 12:31:58
    119.   Eric Enders
    But that was before Brett Tomko transformed from merely mediocre to blowing chunks.

    Actually, since the main reason he sucks is giving up too many home runs, he should be a better pitcher in Petco than he was with the Dodgers.

    2007-09-04 12:34:20
    120.   Bob Timmermann
    Tomko in the friendly confines of Petco

    2007-09-04 12:34:42
    121.   underdog
    Darn, I was gonna guess Pierre, too.
    2007-09-04 12:35:03
    122.   Eric Enders
    So which Old Friend will catch for the Cubs today, Henry Blanco or Koyie Hill?
    2007-09-04 12:37:08
    123.   Bob Timmermann
    Koyie Hill isn't on the Cubs anymore.
    2007-09-04 12:38:02
    124.   Eric Enders
    123 Well, that's what I get for relying on the Griddle for my earth-shaking baseball news! What happened?
    2007-09-04 12:39:38
    125.   D4P
    Koyie Hill isn't on the Cubs anymore

    What about Jody Davis...?

    2007-09-04 12:40:20
    126.   Bob Timmermann
    Keeping track of Cub catcher transactions got tiring.

    I was awoken from my slumber last night when I realized that Rob Bowen was on the A's.

    Adam Melhuse is back with the A's too.

    2007-09-04 12:41:51
    127.   Nagman
    109 Peavy has health problems? If so, I'd hate to see him when he's healthy.

    I think this has been the healthiest season of his (short) career.

    2007-09-04 12:47:40
    128.   Eric Enders
    Actually it turns out Koyie Hill was with Iowa until the AAA season ended yesterday, so there's probably a fair chance he's on the Cubs roster by game time.

    Hey, it's like Little League again!
    "Omaha and Iowa were uanable to get through Monday's regular-season finale with Paul Phillips' bat.
    That didn't stop the 30-year-old catcher from delivering the go-ahead RBI double in the top of the ninth inning with someone else's lumber as the Royals topped the Cubs, 5-4.

    Before the game, both teams agreed that they would share a single bat for the entire contest. Phillips' made it through the first five frames before Iowa's Jake Fox donated his bat. The Royals came up with the third and final bat, and Phillips made the most of it, snapping a 4-4 tie with a two-bagger off reliever Ben Howard (6-9)."

    2007-09-04 12:55:22
    129.   Xeifrank
    Cubs fans seem to be of the opinion that it is quite alright to boo their own player(s) (C.Z.) if they aren't performing well. I for one think they have it right. vr, Xei
    2007-09-04 12:57:34
    130.   D4P
    I have no problem booing players on "my" team, especially when they start underperforming after signing a big contract.

    Does booing help them play better? I don't know, but that's beside the point.

    2007-09-04 12:58:39
    131.   Bob Timmermann
    However, Hill was taken off the 40-man roster and the Cubs already have three catchers with Kendall, Blanco, and Soto.

    A fourth catcher, Jake Fox, is on the 40-man roster.

    2007-09-04 13:00:30
    132.   D4P
    I should clarify that I personally don't boo, nor do I cheer. I'm too lazy either way.
    2007-09-04 13:04:21
    133.   GoBears
    130. Not me. I'll consider booing in only three instances: obvious loafing, "look at me" displays on the field/court (less of a problem in baseball than football or hoops), and dumb decisions by managers or umps. If a guy is playing hard and just isn't very good (that day, or at all), it's not his fault. Maybe boo the manager or GM for having him on the field, but not the player (although, I'll admit, a boo from the stands is a pretty vague signal).

    Hmm, I guess a dumb decision by a player (to try to take an extra base when he has no chance or to somesuch) would fall into the third category as well.

    2007-09-04 13:06:27
    134.   neuroboy002
    Lisa: Dad, we're the MTV generation. We feel neither highs nor lows.
    Homer: Really? What's that like?
    Bart and Lisa: meh.
    2007-09-04 13:06:46
    135.   Eric Enders
    131 Right now with Kendall hurt, though, they only have two catchers and I thought they might add a third. But I guess it would probably be Fox if he's already on their 40-man.
    2007-09-04 13:07:17
    136.   rockmrete
    Maybe winning clouds my judgement, but the throws from LaRoache to Kent to start the DPs were right on the money both in timming, and location. Almost as though the kid, and Kent had been doing it all year.
    2007-09-04 13:09:53
    137.   Bob Timmermann
    Look at the most recent Cubs Town post to see the list of incredibly mediocre Cubs catchers Steve Trachsel has thrown to in his career.
    2007-09-04 13:11:00
    138.   D4P
    Almost as though the kid, and Kent had been doing it all year

    And almost as if LaRoche, though just a rookie, has played third base before and has made throws from third to second.

    And almost as if he wouldn't have made it to the majors in the first place if he couldn't throw from third to second.

    And almost as if rookies can play too, despite not having "been there".

    2007-09-04 13:13:15
    139.   GoBears
    I like Kent on the DP turn as well. I think he has good hands in general. Just doesn't have the legs to get to very many ground balls.

    Forgive me if this was discussed yesterday, but did anyone else think that Kent looked like he might have tweaked something yesterday when scoring on the sac fly? He came out immediately, replaced by Martinez in the bottom of the inning, but that could just have been late-inning rest in a blowout. Still, it looked to me like he was running not just slowly but awkwardly to bring in that run (he says, hoping nobody has videotape of him sprinting 90 feet).

    2007-09-04 13:18:25
    140.   Eric Enders
    And on that note, did we ever figure out what the deal with Proctor was? He kept acting hurt and then started throwing 98. That was weird.
    2007-09-04 13:19:56
    141.   rockmrete
    Are you trying to be funny in general, or just think of me as an idiot?
    2007-09-04 13:24:56
    142.   D4P
    Are you trying to be funny in general, or just think of me as an idiot?

    Sorry. That wasn't aimed at you, but rather the Management types who think young players don't know how to play the game correctly.

    2007-09-04 13:26:24
    143.   regfairfield
    The Padres signed the pitcher with better peripherals who played in a worse park.

    Don't see how we won that one.

    2007-09-04 13:27:17
    144.   Curtis Lowe
    143 - Ummm, we got rid of Tomko.
    2007-09-04 13:28:17
    145.   KG16
    I always think of Tompko the way that I think a lot of Red Sox fans think of Buck Dent... I even call him by the same nickname.

    I was under the impression that today's game was a day game, hurried through my errands so I could get back in time to watch. Now, I have to mull around the house, I suppose there are things that I could do instead.

    2007-09-04 13:28:36
    146.   D4P
    we got rid of Tomko

    But now we gotta get rid of Wells. And there's a lot of Wells to get rid of.

    2007-09-04 13:31:11
    147.   heato
    Via ItD . . .

    Furcal, SS
    Pierre, CF
    Kemp, RF
    Kent, 2B
    Gonzo, LF
    Martin, C
    Loney, 1B
    LaRoche, 3B
    Penny, P

    2007-09-04 13:31:42
    148.   regfairfield
    144 We replaced him with a pitcher that is, at best, equally bad. Go us.
    2007-09-04 13:32:21
    149.   still bevens
    Josh also noted that Nomar was activated from the DL.
    2007-09-04 13:34:22
    150.   rockmrete

    I shouldn't be so defensive.

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    2007-09-04 13:35:10
    151.   KG16
    147 - I was willing to give Gonzo a pass yesterday because it was his birthday, but now not so much. Unless of course, Ethier was replacing Pierre, then I wouldn't mind Gonzo as much.
    2007-09-04 13:35:22
    152.   Eric Enders
    The only way to argue that Tomko is a better pitcher than Wells is to both (a) throw all past seasons out the window, and (b) ignore Wells' performance so far as a Dodger.
    2007-09-04 13:35:39
    153.   regfairfield
    Oh, and we have to pay Wells more thanks to that little bonus clause he had to have.
    2007-09-04 13:35:46
    154.   GoBears
    147. Well, I guess I was imagining the Kent injury.

    148. Typical Colletti move. Shift junk for new, improved junk, and declare victory.

    149. Uh oh.

    2007-09-04 13:37:07
    155.   Gen3Blue
    139 I mentioned Kent turning double plays yesterday, but I didn't notice anything on that scoring play. Of course anytime aguy like kent hits the dirt it is dangerous. Lets hope it was just a coincidence he got pulled right away.
    2007-09-04 13:37:47
    156.   Summer Saint
    148 But our team has gained a marked increase in Veteranacity Over Replacement Veteran (VORV) and Facial Hair+ (FH+)! We've come out of this "deal" ahead by 9 years and one goatee!
    2007-09-04 13:38:50
    157.   Gen3Blue
    147 I like it.
    2007-09-04 13:39:36
    158.   Dodgers49
    >> Tomko won't be eligible for a postseason roster because he's joining a team after the Aug. 31 deadline. But he could help stabilize a San Diego rotation that has dealt with an injury to Chris Young and ineffective outings from its fifth starter. <<

    If they're depending on Tomko to stabilize their rotation then the Dodgers should win the West after all. :-)

    2007-09-04 13:40:25
    159.   eusmus
    Aside from the fact that Gonzo shouldn't be starting over Ethier in the first place, why is he batting ahead of Loney? He's been on fire lately and is clearly a much better hitter. Grady Little confounds me like no other.
    2007-09-04 13:40:42
    160.   regfairfield
    152 Once a guy gets to age 44, I tend to throw all previous data away. Wells as a Dodger so far has struck out almost as many as he's walked, and his pitched in two very pitcher freindly parks. Once he plays a few games in Dodger Stadiium, his jack rate will go way up. Plus, he's only good for about 80 pitches and supplies a 4.50 ERA, and this is when he's good.

    Dave Cameron covered why Tomko wasn't having a terrible season far better than I could.

    2007-09-04 13:41:46
    161.   GoBears
    158. I expect Tomko to be OK in Petco Canyon. Better defense, and virtually home-run proof. He's still not good, but if that get most of his starts at home, I think he'll help them.
    2007-09-04 13:41:55
    162.   Eric Enders
    There is actually a facial hair stat adjusted for league norms (FH+)? Frenchy Bordagaray must be the all-time leader in that.
    2007-09-04 13:42:05
    163.   regfairfield
    By the way, I really hate that Colletti put me in a position where I have to defend Brett Tomko.
    2007-09-04 13:43:19
    164.   Bob Timmermann
    Tomko won't be eligible for the postseason with the Padres however.

    They'll get by.

    2007-09-04 13:49:17
    165.   Gen3Blue
    I wonder if a change in pitching coaches could help Tomko. For at least the last two starts, it seems most of his pitches in the first two innings have come in letter high.
    2007-09-04 13:49:37
    166.   trainwreck
    The bad thing about Nomar being activated is that he will probably take starts from LaRoche and maybe Loney.

    I would be happy if we just kept him as a pinch hitter.

    2007-09-04 13:50:23
    167.   Marty
    I'm having disk problems too. My doctor is of the opinion that surgery fails to remedy the problem more often than it succeeds. So if cortisone and re-hab don't do it, I guess suicide is next :-)
    2007-09-04 13:52:03
    168.   Bob Timmermann
    I hear suicide is painless and brings on many changes.

    I can take or leave it if I try.

    2007-09-04 13:53:14
    169.   Dodgers49
    140. And on that note, did we ever figure out what the deal with Proctor was? He kept acting hurt and then started throwing 98. That was weird.

    >> And Scott Proctor's eighth inning was interrupted during the first batter when he doubled over in pain, something he's done several times since he joined the club.

    Proctor explained that when his mechanics are off, he gets a twinge in his shoulder, but the pain immediately subsides. He was insistent on remaining on the mound, hit 94 mph on the radar gun with his next pitch and went on to record a strikeout in a scoreless inning. <<

    2007-09-04 13:53:41
    170.   Bluebleeder87
    Peavy has health problems? If so, I'd hate to see him when he's healthy.

    He gets patch up with cortisone (or something), believe me we're seeing prime Peavy out there.

    2007-09-04 13:54:46
    171.   bhsportsguy
    166 I don't think he can move that well yet but even so, he probably is a better RH pinch hitter than Olmedo or Shea.
    2007-09-04 13:57:32
    172.   GoBears
    169. Greaaaaaaaaaaaaatttttttt.

    Isn't pain some sort of signal that something is wrong?

    patient: Hey Doc, it hurts when I do this.

    doc: Don't do that.

    2007-09-04 13:58:20
    173.   goofus
    OK, S D signed Tomko; Does that mean we don't have to pay his buy-out?
    2007-09-04 14:00:05
    174.   regfairfield
    173 Assuming we actually released him, yes. (I'm pretty sure we did).
    2007-09-04 14:02:48
    175.   Bluebleeder87
    Per Kim Ng, Nomar will be activated TODAY (I'm in the Ng chat at the moment) I hope Grady assigns him to pitch hitting duties only.
    2007-09-04 14:05:23
    176.   ssjames
    175 What besides pitches would you have Nomar hit? ;)
    2007-09-04 14:07:59
    177.   GoBears
    176. Wells.
    2007-09-04 14:08:16
    178.   Jon Weisman
    Marty, I just went to a screening of this in the morning ... thought you might be ineterested.

    2007-09-04 14:08:49
    179.   GoBears
    177. On 2nd thought, "Hillenbrand" would have been much funnier.


    2007-09-04 14:09:58
    180.   ToyCannon
    I know what the numbers say, but if you had a game at a neutral park that would decide the division, would you rather have Tomko or Wells, based on what they have to offer right now?
    2007-09-04 14:10:18
    181.   Bob Timmermann
    The Padres DFA'd Pete LaForest and the Phillies picked him up.

    Surprisingly, the Padres are going with just two catchers now, Bard and Barrett.

    2007-09-04 14:10:33
    182.   MMSMikey
    is there anyway to get a real question answered on in the chat rooms. or do you just have to ask a complete softball question like "what do u like to do on your free time?"
    2007-09-04 14:11:12
    183.   regfairfield
    180 Forfeit. Then Tomko.
    2007-09-04 14:11:20
    184.   MMSMikey
    "kim, what is your favorite color?"
    2007-09-04 14:11:21
    185.   trainwreck
    I have a lower back and hip problem. Not exactly sure what it is, since my doctor won't even bother to x-ray it. So I just have to stretch a lot.

    It is very annoying.

    2007-09-04 14:11:29
    186.   FirstMohican
    159 - Grady Little confounds me like no other.

    You forget all about the last guy who had his job?

    2007-09-04 14:12:51
    187.   bhsportsguy
    180 Neither.
    D.J. Houlton?
    2007-09-04 14:13:20
    188.   MMSMikey
    "kim, If you could be either a puppy or a kitty, which would you choose and why?"
    2007-09-04 14:13:45
    189.   Dodgers49
    >> Nomar Garciaparra could be activated today so he'd be available to pinch-hit.

    Garciaparra said if he can run today without any pain, he intends to come off the disabled list. He said he last ran Saturday, after which he experienced swelling.

    Garciaparra said he was willing to take a certain amount of risk to be part of the playoff hunt.

    "I've already jeopardized my career so many times," he said. <<

    2007-09-04 14:17:00
    190.   Marty
    178 Thanks!

    I think the only time ever that someone looked at me with complete awe was the time I went into a liquor store and there was a kid with a mohawk behind the counter. I looked at his t-shirt and said "Isn't that the singer from Joy division who killed himself?"

    He gave me this look like "how could you possibly know that".

    2007-09-04 14:17:40
    191.   paranoidandroid

    I'd need a lot of PeptoBismal to get through either of them.

    I like Wells more simply because he isn't Tomko. He has one more hit as a Dodger than Tomko did this year. He ignited a rally, and he pitched well in SD. Not that he instills confidence in me, but the two games he pitched in we were in.

    2007-09-04 14:20:13
    192.   paranoidandroid
    I think the Pads signed Tomko to paint the clubhouse with pastels.

    How long until Milton Bradley gets into a public feud with someone in SD? I give it ten more days.

    2007-09-04 14:21:17
    193.   still bevens
    178 Was it any good? Anton Corbijn takes pretty photos but I seriously doubt his ability to direct a feature film.
    2007-09-04 14:21:55
    194.   King of the Hobos
    From today's Houston Chronicle:

    Asked specifically if the Los Angeles Dodgers' Kim Ng was scheduled to interview, McLane acknowledged that he knew who she was but that her name didn't appear to be one he's been discussing with Smith.

    It doesn't mention White (Dan Evans and Ruben Amaro seem to be the early favorites)

    2007-09-04 14:23:01
    195.   still bevens
    190 Hah I used to wear a Joy Division tshirt to class in college (not every day mind you) and had a teacher basically ask me whether or not I was a poser for wearing the shirt.

    "Do you actually like Joy Division or are you just wearing that shirt?"

    2007-09-04 14:25:23
    196.   Marty
    I wish I still had my old Germs t-shirt.
    2007-09-04 14:25:59
    197.   overkill94
    I don't care what the peripherals say, I'd still take Wells over Tomko at this point in the season. Remember that Wells's stats from his last start are skewed due to Slappy's mishap in the 1st inning.

    What's most amusing to me is how much crap I got from Padres fans when we signed Wells. Now that they're picking up our garbage, it's time for them to eat a little crow.

    2007-09-04 14:26:43
    198.   Peanuts in My Shoes
    178. Jon, where did you see the screening? (Some industry thingy, I assume) I've been waiting for this to hit our shores, and the first date I saw was mid-October at the Newark.

    Oh, and how was it?

    2007-09-04 14:31:50
    199.   Jon Weisman
    193 - It was quite good. It perhaps could have seen some trims in the second half, but I liked it quite a bit. Great performances and it was shot very well.

    198 - It was a media screening. I'll try to write about it at Screen Jam. Looks like it comes out early next month.

    2007-09-04 14:34:11
    200.   Bob Timmermann
    Kim Ng can use sports cliches just like a male front office guy.
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    2007-09-04 14:35:41
    201.   Bluebleeder87

    Man, I'd be jealous if Dan Evans went to the Stros, sure he made some questionable moves/signings (mainly Dreifort for 5) but the guy truly has a great eye for talent.

    2007-09-04 14:35:52
    202.   King of the Hobos
    197 His stats are also skewed by pitching half his games in Petco. I'm probably the only one here, but I'd actually prefer Tomko.
    2007-09-04 14:38:01
    203.   King of the Hobos
    201 That was Kevin Malone I believe.

    Dan Evans' specialty was doing nothing at all, except picking up his annual 3b/PH at the trade deadline.

    2007-09-04 14:38:07
    204.   Dodgers49
    Aggressive Kemp being scrutinized

    >> The baserunning adventures of Dodgers outfielder Matt Kemp have come under the review of the coaching staff, manager Grady Little said on Monday, a day after Kemp made his fifth glaring mistake in the past two weeks.
    But Little also said the situation is delicate because Kemp's speed and aggressiveness on the basepaths are valuable weapons, and no one wants him to be timid about using them. <<

    2007-09-04 14:41:52
    205.   Jonny6
    I've got an old DK shirt that gets busted out of the drawer for special occasions, and an Alternative Tentacles shirt that I like to wear around other parents just to freak them out a little.

    It always amuses me to see the current crop of disaffected teenagers still wearing stuff from DK, Black Flag, the Misfits, etc. etc. I'm tempted to ask them if there are any punk bands from the 21st century that have t-shirts available, but I usually just walk on by without commenting.

    2007-09-04 14:42:11
    206.   eusmus
    202 Meanwhile, Tomko somehow managed to have 7.00 ERA in the notorious bandbox that is Dodger Stadium.
    2007-09-04 14:43:25
    207.   Bluebleeder87

    I could have sworn it was Evans, I still think he rocked as a Dodger G.M, Kevin Malone, not so much.

    2007-09-04 14:45:04
    208.   delias man
    Wells at least has some deception/movement in his pitches. He has ability to make a batter swing and miss or hit off the skinny part of the bat with that curve. Tomko seems to be laying 92 MPH fastballs over the plate once he his behind and getting lit up.

    We have seen too many soft tossing guys do well this year. I take my chance with Wells.

    2007-09-04 14:45:20
    209.   jtrichey
    So now can you tell me what Pedro and 127 means?
    2007-09-04 14:47:24
    210.   still bevens
    208 Straight fastballs. Tomko has one of the straightest fastballs I've seen. He can dial it up, but its a laser.
    2007-09-04 14:49:08
    211.   Andrew Shimmin
    209- That's how many of his 3K strikeouts came in a Dodger uniform.
    2007-09-04 14:49:45
    212.   trainwreck
    There are hardcore bands, that some consider punk or there is noise type punk like The Locust.
    2007-09-04 14:54:18
    213.   LAT
    178. I was hoping to see Chief and Larabee, the cone of silence and find out why Agent 13 alway got stationed in the trash can or the airport locker. Instead I got some trailer about a British band. I feel cheated.
    2007-09-04 14:56:16
    214.   underdog
    168 Especially if it comes via "Black Capsule."

    I remember seeing that film after watching the show for years as a kid, and being surprised the theme song had lyrics.

    2007-09-04 15:01:47
    215.   still bevens
    212 I love noise music for the kids because its the most 'punk' stuff out there. I personally hate it with a fiery passion, but I think thats what makes it so punk rock in the first place, as I feel like an old man these days.

    I also recommend that those noise loving kids stay off my lawn.

    2007-09-04 15:04:13
    216.   underdog
    Proof that Tony Jackson can be a little facetious, humorous, too, when he has to:
    (commenting on his blog about his proclamation a month ago that the Dodgers were done)
    "yeah, I have switched gears a little. I'm not entirely convinced the Dodgers can't somehow sneak in (especially now that the Pods have signed Tomko)."
    2007-09-04 15:06:55
    217.   dzzrtRatt
    Tomko v. Wells is not even a contest. In this one, we come out way ahead. Despite his Falstaffian demeanor, Wells is clearly the more intelligent and focused pitcher. Tomko might have better peripherals (AMIICAP), but it all goes to hell because he falls apart in the face of adversity. Wells has an emotional equilibrium, probably brought about by beer, that Tomko lacks.

    My only concern about Tomko going to the Padres is that they'll use him against Arizona.

    2007-09-04 15:07:38
    218.   Jon Weisman
    213 - LOL
    2007-09-04 15:09:42
    219.   Ghost of Carlos Perez
    Speaking of Tommy Lasorda, is there anybody else out there who hates that guy? I know this is blasphemy, but I can't help but think that guy has done a lot to hurt this franchise. My sense (with no proof) is that he was the proverbial Wormtongue who made McCourt banish DePodesta from the Dodgers.
    2007-09-04 15:12:00
    220.   Jon Weisman
    216 - Jackson is as big a slave to what happened in the previous 24 hours as you'll find.

    New post up top.

    2007-09-04 15:12:32
    221.   Marty
    That was one heck of a debut for Marichal. I hated him ever since the Roseboro assault, but man could he pitch.
    2007-09-04 15:13:20
    222.   Jon Weisman
    219 - If you think it's only you, it almost never is.
    2007-09-04 15:15:50
    223.   bhsportsguy
    222 It's not you, it's me.
    George Costanza

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