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Martin Returns to Lineup
2007-09-06 08:53
by Jon Weisman

Russell Martin has a sprained left knee and is day-to-day, with that day perhaps being today. Tony Abreu makes his first start since his recall, giving Jeff Kent a rest.

Rafael Furcal, SS
Juan Pierre, CF
Matt Kemp, RF
Luis Gonzalez, LF
Russell Martin, C
James Loney, 1B
Andy LaRoche, 3B
Tony Abreu, 2B
Derek Lowe, P

* * *

Today's 11:20 a.m. game:


Retro Gameday

Update: Meant to mention this earlier, but the Dodgers have not homered since August 29.

Comments (457)
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2007-09-06 09:06:32
1.   underdog
Whew, about Martin.

Will be fun to see Abreu in there. (I agree, he's partially in there for some added defense behind Lowe.)

Marquis' one of those pitchers who always seems so hittable and yet the Dodgers seem to have had some struggles against him, at least in my own memory they do...

2007-09-06 09:06:47
2.   StolenMonkey86
LaRoche moves up to 7th!
2007-09-06 09:07:44
3.   underdog
And hey, Kemp, Martin, LaRoche, Abreu and Loney. The Jacksonville Express!
2007-09-06 09:09:44
4.   capdodger
2 As much as Grady would like to, he can't bat all the unproven rooks eighth.
2007-09-06 09:10:46
5.   caseybarker
After reading a portion of last night's comments, I'm surprised at the lack of comments on Hillenbrand's play of the groundball in the 8th.

That play was ridiculous. The ball had clearly begun its journey into foul territory.

2007-09-06 09:11:07
6.   D4P
Nor can he bat Pierre first and second.

It's a real dilemma.

2007-09-06 09:11:44
7.   D4P
Oops, 6 refers to 4 , not 5 .
2007-09-06 09:12:56
8.   kinbote
what's interesting about the jacksonville five is that it always seemed like laroche was the best hitter of the bunch. i remember a quote from martin last year where he basically said if the other guys were hitting in the majors, he knew laroche could too. i see laroche as a crucial part of our future success. i love his approach at the plate, and i swear he's not that far from having a david wright ceiling. martin is martin and kemp is kemp, but loney & laroche just make me happy to think about.
2007-09-06 09:13:16
9.   regfairfield
5 Complaining about Shea Hillenbrand's defense seems kind of pointless. Everyone knows he stinks, so you can't really complain when he does something bad.
2007-09-06 09:14:08
10.   Bluebleeder87
Nice lineup I guess, Hopefully one of the youngsters goes deep today (La Roche, Abreu preferably) Lowe really needs to deliver today something I'm sure he'll do.
2007-09-06 09:17:33
11.   fanerman
There's an unusually orange sun this morning in Oakland. It's pretty.
2007-09-06 09:17:59
12.   caseybarker

OK, but that play showed an utter lack of judgement by Hillenbrand; so I guess he is stupid as well as being talentless.

This play just really got my goat.

2007-09-06 09:18:13
13.   D4P
Complaining about Shea Hillenbrand's defense seems kind of pointless. Everyone knows he stinks, so you can't really complain when he does something bad

Does this mean we can't complain about, well, pretty much anything Pierre does...?

2007-09-06 09:20:56
14.   regfairfield
13 You could complain if he's slow or if he hits the ball in the air, I guess. He's actually a good person to prove my point, since I don't think anyone here expresses disappointment if he doesn't walk or hit a home run.
2007-09-06 09:23:03
15.   still bevens
If Lowe doesn't give up any home runs today, I say we win.
2007-09-06 09:30:26
16.   Bluebleeder87

channeling my sisters, "How Cute!"

2007-09-06 09:34:40
17.   JoeyP
Ethier continues to be Ethier'ed.
2007-09-06 09:35:42
18.   BlueMamma
9 May we complain about Gonzo hitting 4th today?
2007-09-06 09:36:44
19.   Bluebleeder87

I'd love to see him go against Jason Marquis, Ethier looks like the type of hitter that can do something against Marquis style of pitching, oh well, maybe Luis Gonzalez can also do something against Marquis.

2007-09-06 09:39:20
20.   JoeyP
The Great Lakes Loon manager--Lance Parrish--was fired too.

I wonder what one must do in order to get fired from Class A baseball.

2007-09-06 09:39:27
21.   old dodger fan
It seems like last night was a complete team effort. Except for Proctor everyone pitched poorly, Hillenbrand should have given that ball a few more seconds (I am not so sure it would have gone foul but there was no good reason to pick it up at that point); Kemp made a terrible throw from the OF; Kent threw the ball over 1B. I am sure there is more. I missed the first few innings.

Let's hope everyone got it out of their systems last night.

A win today means taking 3 out of 4 in a division leaders park. Nothing wrong with that.

Martin is back in the line up. What great news. Abreu is starting today and I just love watching Matt Kemp play. He looks like a thoroughbred going around the bases. This is a fun team to watch.

2007-09-06 09:40:07
22.   das411
Man, that's an infield that would be nice to see in the lineup every day for the next, oh, ten years or so. Would anybody have predicted at the beginning of the season that the Dodgers would be 2 games out of a playoff spot in September and have five of the kids in the lineup (not to mention Broxton and Billingsley and Stults and Meloan...) at the same time??

Step back and look at the forest, fellow DTers! It looks a whole lot nicer than ripping on individual trees every game ;)

2007-09-06 09:43:53
23.   Gen3Blue
The line-ups are beginning to feel like the culmination of years. I don't mean to expect too much, too fast, but there has been nothing like it since the early Russell infield days. Even then I sort of kept track of the prospects but the availability of information was miniscule by todays standard.
2007-09-06 09:45:47
24.   fanerman
I'm just glad the Tony Abreu injury scandal seems to be over.
2007-09-06 09:47:06
25.   Jon Weisman
22 - "Would anybody have predicted at the beginning of the season that the Dodgers would be 2 games out of a playoff spot in September and have five of the kids in the lineup?"

With Loney, Kemp, LaRoche, Martin and Ethier competing with Gonzalez, Pierre and a questionable Garciaparra... I was seriously all but counting on it.

2007-09-06 09:47:08
26.   Bob Timmermann
I think the Shea Hillenbrand must bear bitter fruit. He must be a peach tree.
2007-09-06 09:47:42
27.   Jon Weisman
24 - It's all over but the resolution ... they're still jabbering about it in this morning's papers. I decided not to write about it because I had nothing new to add. But at least he's playing.
2007-09-06 09:48:05
28.   Gen3Blue
24 A-men to that. Isn't his agent he who.....?
2007-09-06 09:51:21
29.   Daniel Zappala
26 You're thinking lemon. Peaches are loaded with sugar.
2007-09-06 09:53:54
30.   Bob Timmermann
I'm going for a personalized metaphor here.
2007-09-06 09:57:45
31.   ToyCannon
2007-09-06 09:58:20
32.   Howard Fox
As poor as I think Pierre is, value for dollar, etc etc...I hate to say it, but right now I have a lot more faith when he is at bat than Furcal (a power hitter in mini me's body)

Today's lineup...substitute Ethier for that next year's regular lineup?

2007-09-06 10:02:06
33.   delias man
5 I agree. I was shocked Vin did not mention it.
2007-09-06 10:02:20
34.   blue22
32 - Kent gets one more year as the starting 2B. And there's Nomar's role to be determined for next year.

But will Ned be able to resist the urge to tinker?

2007-09-06 10:04:03
35.   Daniel Zappala
30 I understand you don't like peaches, but you can't simply call them bitter. It defies all reason and logic. You'll need to appear before the USDA Commission on Fruit Labeling, meetings on the first Tuesday of every month in Stockton.
2007-09-06 10:07:48
36.   regfairfield
34 I'm really curious to see how Ned handles this offseason. If he stands pat like he probably should, he'll get flamed for not improving a third place team, ignoring the fact that the improvement will come from Kemp, Loney, Bills, and Ethier being regulars from day one.

If does anything but add a reliever or a bat off the bench, the team probably gets worse and more expensive, but he'll look like he's doing something. Should be very interesting.

2007-09-06 10:08:32
37.   Bob Timmermann
I'll be there on October 2!
2007-09-06 10:09:22
38.   Daniel Zappala
36 Except it won't be a third place team.
2007-09-06 10:10:14
39.   regfairfield
38 Fourth? Four game comebacks at this point are exceedingly rare.
2007-09-06 10:12:38
40.   Daniel Zappala
39 1st or 2nd. Lots of games left.
2007-09-06 10:14:24
41.   Jon Weisman
36 - Well, in all seriousness, with Plaschke taking up the non-tinkering banner, it will be easier for Ned to resist making moves for the sake of making moves. I'm sure he'll look for more power and more pitching depth, but I think Ned believes in the core to a large extent.

Garciaparra/LaRoche could replace Garicaparra/Loney as next year's frustration.

2007-09-06 10:14:55
42.   Jacob L
Plus, the peaches this year, particularly within the last few weeks, have been tremendous. This includes the peaches sold every Wednesday outside the Central Library. Between stone fruits, Oregon, and who knows what else, I sometimes wonder if Bob's personal crusades are a bit overboard. Stone fruits and Oregon are no Frank Robinson.
2007-09-06 10:16:16
43.   BlueMamma
22 I think those people who were predicting that the Dodgers would be the 2007 WS Champs two years ago were depending on them having 5 rookies in the lineup by the beginning of September. It's what we've all been waiting for, precisely because we're in a playoff hunt.

I'm only disappointed that it's not 6.

2007-09-06 10:18:06
44.   caseybarker
What's Bob's problem with Oregon?


2007-09-06 10:18:46
45.   kinbote
36 - it'll be a strange offseason to be sure. we SHOULD be set with martin/loney/kent/furcal/laroche/ethier/pierre/kemp as our starting eight, but we know garciaparra will be given every chance to win [back] the 3b job. i simply don't see an opening unless ned creates one.

as for pitching, a lot depends on saito's possible return. even if he does come back, i'd like to see us spend some $ on a quality reliever. they always seem expensive in the offseason, but then, when they're good, they're irreplaceable.

personally, i'd love to see a quiet offseason. i can see a stealth move on a japanese player or two; i could also see a few low-risk gambles on injured players. to me, the best thing that could happen this offseason wuld be long-term contracts given to martin and billingsley.

2007-09-06 10:21:12
46.   regfairfield
45 I pretty much agree. I was talking to my freind about this and the only things I could come up with for this offseason were seeing if we could get a good pitcher for Ethier and signing Mike Cameron to take his place, then getting Francisco Cordero to make the deadliest bullpen the world had ever seen.
2007-09-06 10:22:55
47.   Bob Timmermann
What problem with Oregon?

2007-09-06 10:27:17
48.   Jacob L
47 I know, Bob. I'd just like to see a similar post about peaches. Change is good.
2007-09-06 10:28:51
49.   Bob Timmermann
After trying peaches a couple of times, I would have to say that there are some things that you can't change about me.
2007-09-06 10:30:43
50.   caseybarker
Oh, when I read this:

Stone fruits and Oregon are no Frank Robinson

I just assumed you had a problem with Oregon and stone fruits.

I don't think I've seen Mt. Hood without the snow.

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2007-09-06 10:30:46
51.   Jon Weisman
Alyssa Milano's new job:

2007-09-06 10:31:57
52.   caseybarker
Ever had a white peach?

Mmmmmmm... white peaches.

2007-09-06 10:34:14
53.   Gagne55
I don't even think the bullpen really needs any tinkering. Saito, Broxton, Beimel, Proctor, and Hendrickson are all under club controll or arb eligible for next year. Just swap Seanez for Hull, Meloan, Tsao or another NRI and it's set.

The one thing I'd be in favor of would be adding another starting pitcher. Lowe, Penny, Bills, Loaiza is good, but Schmidt can't be counted on being able to go at this point and I'd rather have Stults/Holten as the emergency starters than part of the set rotation.

2007-09-06 10:34:52
54.   still bevens
41 How many months does Nomar get to prove that hes no longer an everyday player? Two? I understand that management must have been hoping that he would play out of it because of his past track record, but you'd think after this terrible season that the leash would be shortened a bit.
2007-09-06 10:35:50
55.   bhsportsguy
52 Nahh, he is just waiting for the "Mackinaw" peach from Oregon which are ripe only two weeks a year.
2007-09-06 10:35:50
56.   Daniel Zappala
Oregon has some really great peaches grown there. If Bob went to Oregon without hiking some of the many trails through the Columbia River Gorge, then he's going to have to go again.
2007-09-06 10:37:25
57.   Jon Weisman
54 - I would assume that he'll get a shorter rope than last year, but still some rope.

53 - Hendrickson hasn't done anything lately to make me retract my confidence that he will not return next season. Did you know his second-half ERA is 7.97?

2007-09-06 10:37:46
58.   caseybarker
I thought the Mackinaw was from Michigan, but I am probably mixing up Seinfeld episodes.
2007-09-06 10:38:23
59.   ToyCannon
I found those donut peaches to be the best when your traveling through the heartland of California.
2007-09-06 10:38:49
60.   Benaiah
53 - I hope Hendrickson is cut loose this offseason. I don't expect it, but his upside is so low that I would rather just take fliers on young guys. I realize it is nice to have pitchers who can spot start if needed, but DJ Houlton can't be much worse and he is dirt cheap. Stock Las Vegas with AAAA starters who can be called up in extreme circumstances and hope that Elbert/McDonald/Kershaw are ready by midseason.
2007-09-06 10:39:56
61.   D4P
If Bob went to Oregon without hiking some of the many trails through the Columbia River Gorge, then he's going to have to go again

Not to mention that Bob hasn't seen a game at Mac Court. I can't imagine a better experience for him than seeing UCLA play Oregon there.

He's running out of opportunities as we speak.

2007-09-06 10:40:15
62.   Benaiah
53 - I hope Hendrickson is cut loose this offseason. I don't expect it, but his upside is so low that I would rather just take fliers on young guys. I realize it is nice to have pitchers who can spot start if needed, but DJ Houlton can't be much worse and he is dirt cheap. Stock Las Vegas with AAAA starters who can be called up in extreme circumstances and hope that Elbert/McDonald/Kershaw are ready by midseason.
2007-09-06 10:40:55
63.   Benaiah
Ugh Sorry for the double post. My internet is miserable.
2007-09-06 10:41:20
64.   Eric Enders
Everyone always seems to be hedging their statements about next year with the phrase "if Saito comes back." Well, why wouldn't he come back? Retirement is his only other option, and he's a better pitcher right now than he's ever been before, so why wouldn't he want keep pitching? He's about to start making the big bucks after next year. And he certainly seems to enjoy his job. All the retirement talk last off-season was just a negotiating ploy; I would seriously doubt it's something he's actually considering.
2007-09-06 10:43:27
65.   regfairfield
53 I think it's fine too, but we have money to spend, why not spend it? A guy like Cordero would make the bullpen better.
2007-09-06 10:44:04
66.   rockmrete

No need to turn this into a racial thing...Just Kidding

Nectarines for me, white ones.

2007-09-06 10:44:46
67.   ToyCannon
Nomar is done as a starter for us. Expect Ned to go after Mike Lowell. He had a hard enough time believing in Loney and Kemp after 2006. If he has to worry about the back of La Roche, I will be shocked if he does not bring in an alternative.
2007-09-06 10:44:50
68.   Eric Enders
"we have money to spend, why not spend it?"

Because it tends to result in ideas like "let's sign Juan Pierre" ?

2007-09-06 10:45:09
69.   Benaiah
64 - I think Saito will definitely come back. He is one of the 2 or 3 best closers in the game at this point, and he said that he didn't even consider not coming back last off-season. I hope Ned gives him a nice raise and he sticks around for year*s* to come.
2007-09-06 10:45:50
70.   regfairfield
68 Okay, we have money to spend, why not spend it on things that will make the team better?
2007-09-06 10:46:01
71.   Gagne55
Ok, maybe Hendrickson will leave. But when a team has two dominant relievers, it doesn't spend big money for another. And, Beimel and Proctor have been reasonably effective. I think an NRI and the Vegas Express is good enough for filling out the bullpen.
2007-09-06 10:47:57
72.   LogikReader

"The one thing I'd be in favor of would be adding another starting pitcher. Lowe, Penny, Bills, Loaiza is good, but Schmidt can't be counted on"

Enter future Dodgers Starter Livan Hernandez. I wish it'd be someone else, but the PVL factor will be off the charts!

2007-09-06 10:48:12
73.   Benaiah
67 - I can't believe that Ned would do that. Besides, I live in Boston and I would be shocked if Lowell didn't come back. The only way that would happen is if A-Rod comes here and that is just too implausible to consider (it would be like Barry coming to LA).
2007-09-06 10:48:28
74.   ToyCannon
But you'd have to pay closer money? How are your getting the bang for your buck? How many games has our bullpen cost us in a situation where Cordero would be used? Seems like a waste of money to me.
If we have extra money, then save it, you never know when a Bobby Abreu situation will arise during the season.
2007-09-06 10:49:02
75.   Daniel Zappala
Not to mention that Bob hasn't seen a game at Mac Court. I can't imagine a better experience for him than seeing UCLA play Oregon there.

Amen to that. Hurry and do that this season because it is a fantastic experience. I had the pleasure of watching Luke Ridnour there.

2007-09-06 10:49:20
76.   Jon Weisman
71 - I agree. I would hate to see the Dodgers shell out huge bucks for a reliever. And that's the thing - Hendrickson will command big bucks.
2007-09-06 10:50:06
77.   Jon Weisman
75 - Is that Frank Mac Court?
2007-09-06 10:50:41
78.   Gagne55
67 Except that Nomar already is here as an alternative. Sure he ain't worth his salary no more, but it's a sunk cost so we might as well keep him. You don't think Nomar can rebound? Check out Paul Konerko's career and look at what he did in '03 and Pat Burrell same year or Dusty Baker's first year with the Dodgers. Or you mentioned Mike Lowell. Check out his '05 season. Year long slumps happen sometimes for no explicable reason. I'm not saying that Nomar is definately not done, but he could very well be not done.
2007-09-06 10:51:03
79.   regfairfield
74 True, wasn't considering that. Still, it looks like the Dodgers have about 20-25 million to spend this offseason and nothing to really spend it on. With more and more youth being infused into the team, we can afford a luxury item like an extra closer.
2007-09-06 10:51:07
80.   D4P
The only way that would happen is if A-Rod comes here and that is just too implausible to consider (it would be like Barry coming to LA)

I don't think either ARod or his agent would care one iota about such things.

I had the pleasure of watching Luke Ridnour there

Me too. In fact, I go back to the Blair Rasmussen days. I got his autograph at Valley River way back when. He was with a girl who was about half as tall as he was.

2007-09-06 10:51:07
81.   Daniel Zappala
77 Jon, you've just signed yourself up for a trip to see Stanford play at Oregon.
2007-09-06 10:52:49
82.   ToyCannon
It is not the performance but the injuries. Ned will not count on LaRoche or Nomar to be our 3b in 2008. They could be option B and C but I don't think they will be option A. Just an opinion.
2007-09-06 10:53:26
83.   Daniel Zappala
80 Way before my time. I came in with Ernie Kent. Deciding between rooting for Stanford or Oregon during basketball season was really hard.
2007-09-06 10:54:20
84.   rockmrete
20-25 million isn't far off what ARod will command.
2007-09-06 10:54:57
85.   Bob Timmermann
That will be on Sunday January 13.

DT offseason road trip!

If someone could guarantee my tickets for a game, preferably a conference game, I will do my darnedest to get up to Eugene this winter.

2007-09-06 10:55:59
86.   D4P
If someone could guarantee my tickets for a game, preferably a conference game, I will do my darnedest to get up to Eugene this winter

I'd be willing to chip in for UCLA tickets off eBay. At the very least, I'd give you back your dimes.

2007-09-06 10:58:10
87.   bhsportsguy
82 I think it will depend on if Kent returns. If Kent is there and he knows that he has Kemp, Loney, Ethier, Furcal, Martin, Pierre, then I think he can probably feel safe with LaRoche/Nomar (though I wonder if he will offer Nomar around to an AL team for I don't know, another pitcher).

But if Kent goes, then I think he will not feel comfortable.

2007-09-06 10:58:21
88.   Jon Weisman
81 - I've been to every Pac-10 hoops venue except OSU and Oregon.

83 - There are two Ernie Kent eras at Oregon, aren't there?

2007-09-06 10:59:31
89.   bhsportsguy
85 That should be a good game when the Duck fans "welcome" former Oregon high school player of the year, Kevin Love, back home.
2007-09-06 11:00:13
90.   Daniel Zappala
88 Impressive. Better than I've done. Yes, Kent was a player too.
2007-09-06 11:00:24
91.   caseybarker
How about a road trip for a U of O vs. OSU BASEBALL game next year?
2007-09-06 11:00:52
92.   silverwidow
Signing Lowell would eliminate BOTH Loney and LaRoche from everyday jobs.
2007-09-06 11:01:07
93.   scooplew
What I find striking about today's lineup is, with Kent on the bench, the lack of a clean-up hitter. Gonzalez bats there by default. He has 62 at bats in the #4 hole this year and is hitting .258 with 2 HR and 13 RBI. The other seven players have a total of 6 AB in the clean-up spot. In his long career, Gonzalez has a lower batting average, .266, while batting 4th than in any other spot in the line-up. Yet another argument for acquiring a big bat in the off-season.
2007-09-06 11:01:52
94.   EJM
72 Cole Hamels?
2007-09-06 11:02:28
95.   regfairfield
93 The big question is who, and where do you put him?
2007-09-06 11:09:04
96.   Bob Timmermann
U of 0 isn't playing baseball until 2009.
2007-09-06 11:09:46
97.   scooplew
95 Whether or not Kent returns, I think we need an upgrade at third. LaRoche has hit for power in the minors, but if Kent does not come back, I doubt that Ned would depend on LaRoche to fill a power void. And even with Kent playing, we are last in the NL in HR this season. There are options around MLB for third base.
2007-09-06 11:10:23
98.   bhsportsguy
93 I think it is pretty clear that if Ned could make a deal for a big bat, he would but who is available and what would you give up?

As I watch this game more and more, the whole idea of lead-off, third place hitter, clean up hitter types just makes less sense, just put out your best lineup and let them do their thing.

2007-09-06 11:10:38
99.   ToyCannon
If we leave Wrigley without hitting a home run with the pitchers we've faced, it will be a complete travesty.

Just practicing for game time posting and the overreaction to each and every pitch. I think I'm ready.

2007-09-06 11:11:20
100.   Bob Timmermann
UCLA plays at Oregon on a Thursday, so that would be a lot harder for me to get to. But a Ducks-Trojans game on the weekend would ensure my loyalty to the cause.
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2007-09-06 11:13:39
101.   ToyCannon
Barry Bonds, cost us nothing except our moral outrage.
2007-09-06 11:14:08
102.   Bob Timmermann
What about going to Gill Coliseum to see some of the least interesting basketball in the Pac-10?
2007-09-06 11:14:12
103.   bhsportsguy
97 Andy LaRoche will be 24 at the beginning of next year and he will be in his 3rd option year (if it is used). I think he will be given every opportunity to hold down that job for next year and really with his patience and power, he is the ideal 4th/5th guy especially since surprisingly to me, Matt Kemp really does well in the three spot.

Next year

It was either move Pierre down or have Martin bat 8th.

2007-09-06 11:15:45
104.   ToyCannon
That would be the correct path. Care to wager on which path Ned chooses?
2007-09-06 11:17:19
105.   D4P
You never know if you might be looking at the next A.C. Green or Gary Payton.

Or Charlie Sitton.

2007-09-06 11:18:25
106.   scooplew
95 98 Regarding who should play 3rd next year, ARod may be available, but at likely too great a cost for McCourt. After him, the best possibility is possibilities Miguel Cabrera. Then there is a dropoff to Beltre, Glaus, the ailing Rolen and Blalock. Granted, besides ARod and Cabrera, that is not a stellar field. As to who to give up, I'd suggest that LaRoche, Abreu and one of the higher rated younger pitchers, but only if Cabrera were available.
2007-09-06 11:18:37
107.   Dark Horse
I think it's inconceivable Ned will not tamper with this line-up in the offseason. We've all seen how tampering is in his nature, and how not actually having a need won't keep him from scrambling to fill it. Depth, you understand. Depth.

He'll sign a power-hitting outfielder, then deal Ethier. That's my fear. He and LaRoche seem like possible trade-bait to me, the latter because of injury concerns.

Really, what makes me worry is Colletti's belief that more is better. We'll bring in the power bat but he'll replace someone who can actually hit, not--ahem--a short, nameless slap-hitter who can't. We'll let Hendrickson go and bring in another pitcher, but will that pitcher be better than Hendrickson or just another roadblock for McDonald? It's not that I think we should presume the latter is ready, but Ned seems to like expensive solutions that hang around too long. They must make him feel secure. But consider the long presence of Tomko and then imagine if we'd simply swapped him out for Houlton or Stults at the beginning of the season. Neither would've been spectacular, yet that's the likely difference between October baseball and Russ Martin's well-earned vacation, right there.

2007-09-06 11:18:55
108.   scooplew
I foresee an offensive explosion for the Dodgers today, starting in the first inning.
2007-09-06 11:19:27
109.   bhsportsguy
104 Sure. What is exactly is the bet?

Now there will be no money changing hands right?

2007-09-06 11:20:25
110.   still bevens
The 3B free agent pool is totally atrocious. I would assume Ned would be fine with Nomar and LaRoche. I also think Ned's track record with avoiding trading the blue chippers will apply this year as well, esp since they have performed at the ML level. I wouldnt be surprised if Ned goes for pitching again this offseason, hoping that will carry us through. Pretty much the same blueprint as this season.
2007-09-06 11:20:27
111.   regfairfield
104 Nomar/New guy at third to start the year. LaRoche takes over the job if Nomar repeats this years performance, but I'd say June at the earliest for that. If we get new guy, maybe LaRoche is deemed expendable with Nomar on the bench and Abreu likely in AAA.
2007-09-06 11:20:34
112.   scooplew
106 Pardon my lack of editing...
2007-09-06 11:22:15
113.   ToyCannon
I doubt that replacing Tomko with DJ Houlton or Stults would have changed things one iota.
2007-09-06 11:23:31
114.   ToyCannon
I'll bet you a Mario's sandwich and a Dodgers Blinky Light Beer that La Roche is not the Dodgers opening day 3rd baseman even while hoping he is.
2007-09-06 11:24:20
115.   Bluebleeder87
Hu will play SS now?
2007-09-06 11:24:33
116.   Gen3Blue
Hu's next?
2007-09-06 11:24:49
117.   Curtis Lowe
What happen?
2007-09-06 11:25:21
118.   KG16
Even if Saito comes back, what does everyone think of getting Gagne? My understanding is that because he was traded, he becomes a free agent at the end of the season. Broxton, Saito, Gagne - Nasty Boys LA. Plus our starters would only have to go 6 instead of 7.

Anyone else scared by Furcal's limping?

2007-09-06 11:25:26
119.   scooplew
What is the injury delay for?
2007-09-06 11:25:42
120.   Jon Weisman
99 - I meant to put that in my morning post. The Dodgers have not homered since Aug. 29.
2007-09-06 11:26:16
121.   Gen3Blue
Furcal hit one off his shin. He's staying in for now.
2007-09-06 11:27:25
122.   Bob Timmermann
Gagne hasn't pitched since August 26.
2007-09-06 11:27:38
123.   DodgerBakers
Lets go Kemp!
2007-09-06 11:27:44
124.   ToyCannon
Bob, when was the last time the Dodgers played a four game set in Wrigley without hitting a home run?
2007-09-06 11:28:12
125.   Dark Horse
113-Do you? I doubt that swap would've changed things much more than an iota, but that's about how far out of it we are. Marginally better pitching than we got out of the Hendrickson-at-starter/Tomko slot was available, and could've made that slight difference.
2007-09-06 11:29:10
126.   Bob Timmermann
After the first inning, I will just 99
2007-09-06 11:29:21
127.   bhsportsguy
114 One, I owe a sandwich anyway but you are on my friend.

I have until April to save up for the beer.

2007-09-06 11:29:44
128.   kinbote
i can't conceive of any scenario in which we bring back hendrickson.
2007-09-06 11:30:25
129.   scooplew
108 . . . starting in the second inning.
2007-09-06 11:30:52
130.   KG16
122 - why do you insist on using facts to dispel my dreams?

I'll agree that he's struggling this year. It's unfortunate, I've always liked him (even when he was a starter). But his struggling could make his return to LA more plausible, no? Or is there another team out there that will gamble and drop a large amount of money on him?

2007-09-06 11:31:24
131.   Gen3Blue
Not an auspicious start. And that pitch wasn't up

Keep it down lowe.

2007-09-06 11:31:26
132.   ToyCannon
Let's hope this has the same result as Monday when he did that.
2007-09-06 11:32:09
133.   imperabo
Thankfully Soriano is a stubborn doofus who insists on leading off, or that homer could have hurt more.
2007-09-06 11:32:34
134.   underdog
Lowe's gonna really have to stop this trend of giving up gopher balls.

I wonder how many more runs the Cubs would average if Soriano batted somewhere other than leadoff?

2007-09-06 11:32:34
135.   fanerman
Well there goes hoping Lowe doesn't give up a home run.
2007-09-06 11:33:55
136.   ToyCannon
Just so were clear, I'm hoping very much to lose this bet, unless 3b is being manned by a 30 million dollar man.
2007-09-06 11:34:08
137.   scooplew
133 Shouldn't mild-mannered Piniella simply write out the lineup card with Soriano batting 3rd, 4th or 5th?
2007-09-06 11:35:07
138.   bhsportsguy
Lowe really hasn't been the same since he irritated his hip against the Mets.
2007-09-06 11:35:10
139.   underdog
The WGN cameramen really need to get girlfriends. Sheez.
2007-09-06 11:35:34
140.   underdog
Where was THAT pitch? Come on, ump.
2007-09-06 11:36:01
141.   Bluebleeder87
man, thank god for Russell Martin, good job.
2007-09-06 11:36:03
142.   KG16
Martin is a golden guard
2007-09-06 11:36:25
143.   kngoworld
Find the strike zone please.
2007-09-06 11:36:31
144.   fanerman
133 I thought Soriano offered to hit lower in the line-up given he came back from an injury and was a little slow? But Pineilla had him lead-off anyway? That may have been a couple weeks ago. Posted on Cub Town.
2007-09-06 11:36:41
145.   underdog
Dar-yle! Dar-yle!
2007-09-06 11:36:43
146.   ToyCannon
Is it possible that we are seeing a matchup of the two worse cleanup hitters in the history of games played on Sept 6th?
2007-09-06 11:36:56
147.   D4P
The WGN cameramen really need to get girlfriends

My WGN is showing the White Sox.

2007-09-06 11:37:02
148.   Summer Saint
What's the consensus on Hu's offensive prowess? Is his increased production at the plate this year something that is for real and can be counted on to continue? Or was it the product of some sort of flukey luck and we shouldn't expect him to be anything more than an all glove/no bat shortstop?

And while I'm asking about Hu, barring any unforeseen disasters, can we expect him to start at shortstop in AAA next year?

2007-09-06 11:37:28
149.   kngoworld
Is the plan for Lowe to walk um all and Martin to throw them out on the paths?
2007-09-06 11:38:04
150.   underdog
147 Sorry, Comcast Sportsnet I guess it is. Lots of shots of girls with cleavage...
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2007-09-06 11:38:27
151.   dzzrtRatt
Is Lowe crying?

That's what it looks like on TV. I realize it's probably mere perspiration. Maybe he's having flop sweat.

2007-09-06 11:38:44
152.   Curtis Lowe
150 - oH NO!
2007-09-06 11:39:40
153.   scooplew
Lowe, before the A-S Game: 8-8, 3.12 ERA, 8 HR in 127 IP; Lowe, since the A-S Game: 3-4, 5.47 ERA, 9 HR in 49 IP (not counting today).
2007-09-06 11:39:43
154.   Jon Weisman
148 - For what it's worth, Hu said he had vision problems in '06. Kinda like Jake Peavy.
2007-09-06 11:40:13
155.   ToyCannon
No matter how old I get I hope I never complain about a camerman showing shots of girls with cleavage.
2007-09-06 11:40:20
156.   kngoworld
Gameday has almost all of Lowe's pitches outside the strike zone, by a lot.
2007-09-06 11:41:24
157.   ToyCannon
Most scouts seem to be predicting an offense around the level of Furcal without the stolen base threat.
2007-09-06 11:42:22
158.   Bluebleeder87

from what I understand he should be a great glove guy & above average bat.

2007-09-06 11:43:26
159.   ToyCannon
That was the worse at bat from a Dodger clean up hitter I've ever witnessed on Gameday.
2007-09-06 11:43:56
160.   LeeLacy
Well, I hope the first inning was an aberration for Lowe. He should feel lucky that a 2-hit, 2-walk inning only resulted in 1 run.

scooplew--I certainly hope your intuition that the Dodger offense is primed to explode is an accurate one.

2007-09-06 11:44:00
161.   underdog
Now the cameraman's fascinated by some girl's HS volleyball team in the stands (3 shots of them). Perv!
2007-09-06 11:44:33
162.   fanerman
I have a feeling Russell Martin will homer today.
2007-09-06 11:45:14
163.   underdog
150 Oh I'm not minding it that much, it's just so blatant it's hilarious. I feel like I'm watching some Fox program.
2007-09-06 11:45:19
164.   Bluebleeder87

You make it sound like it's something bad bro!

2007-09-06 11:46:27
165.   underdog
Come on, this is freakin' Jason Marquis! Sigh.
2007-09-06 11:48:58
166.   Curtis Lowe
This team needs some K-lories.
2007-09-06 11:51:46
167.   Bluebleeder87
Looks like D-Lowe settled in, nice inning for him.
2007-09-06 11:51:50
168.   Bob Timmermann

See comment 99

2007-09-06 11:56:55
169.   trainwreck
Put Monroe back in center.
2007-09-06 11:57:16
170.   kinbote
it's a little scary to think about how important this game is. with a win, we move 2.5 back in the wild card & 3.5 back in the division. the team would have no alternative but to feel good about its chances.
2007-09-06 11:57:16
171.   Curtis Lowe
Nice to see them work the count.
2007-09-06 11:57:38
172.   underdog
168 I was just practicing for later, too.

At least Abreu gave that one a ride. Hope this game doesn't turn out too "interesting."

2007-09-06 12:00:39
173.   King of the Hobos
After the Houston Chronicles named 7 candidates being interviewed for the Astro GM job, one of which was Ed Wade, TJax decided to add another. He says the Astro have requested permission to interview Logan White, though he didn't mention whether permission was granted (note that this was from his Daily News article, not his blog).

Apparently Tal Smith really likes Ed Wade. I agree, he's a far better GM candidate than Logan White. White stinks, Ed Wade all the way!

2007-09-06 12:00:44
174.   Bluebleeder87
wow, D-Lowe took Soriano to school in this at bat, it was beautiful to watch.
2007-09-06 12:02:44
175.   trainwreck
White drafted James Adkins and he did not draft Buchholz. He can't be a GM.
2007-09-06 12:02:46
176.   King of the Hobos
Does Rule 9 hold for interesting games that involves the Dodgers' hitters?
2007-09-06 12:02:59
177.   DodgerBakers
173. A plea to Logan White: Please stay!

Two Ks in one inning for Lowe? Hope he keeps this up.

2007-09-06 12:04:27
178.   Bob Timmermann
Rule 9 has no exceptions from my experience. Jon feels about Rule 9 the same way I feel about peaches.
2007-09-06 12:04:28
179.   D4P
Does Rule 9 hold for interesting games that involves the Dodgers' hitters?

I've asked that before. The answer is "Yes".

2007-09-06 12:05:34
180.   Disabled List
Way too early to be talking about Rule 9, folks.
2007-09-06 12:05:44
181.   underdog
Jeff Kent wouldn't have been that acrobatic. Nice pick up, Abreu!
2007-09-06 12:05:47
182.   Bluebleeder87
did that ball bounce off James Loneys leg or something? it was a weird play.
2007-09-06 12:06:07
183.   Curtis Lowe
Certainly McCourt understands that the majority of the money saving good on this team is a result of Logan White and not Colletti.
2007-09-06 12:06:41
184.   underdog
Marquis has good stuff so far. But he's liable to make a mistake now and again. The question is, can the Dodgers' hitters make him pay when he does? If not, it could be a long (or short) game. But it's only the top of the 4th inning!
2007-09-06 12:06:47
185.   Andrew Shimmin
Extremism in the defense of [Rule 9] is no vice. Moderation in the [opposition to pitted fruits] is no virtue!
2007-09-06 12:07:54
186.   ToyCannon
Hopefully in about 12 pitches this will be a moot point.
2007-09-06 12:09:12
187.   underdog
Wouldn't expect Pierre to be the only one working the count so far today.
2007-09-06 12:09:22
188.   imperabo
Allways dive into first.
2007-09-06 12:09:31
189.   underdog
That would've been the time for a head's first slide, if ever.
2007-09-06 12:09:36
190.   Reddog
We're running out of time. If we win only 2 of the 4 left on this road trip, I think we'll need to win 5 out of 6 on the next homestand - vs Ariz and SD.
2007-09-06 12:10:19
191.   Gagne55
Pierre should have diven into first.
2007-09-06 12:10:19
192.   underdog
Way to work the count there Bison.


2007-09-06 12:10:44
193.   Benaiah
Stop swinging at the first pitch! This team is so stressful to watch.
2007-09-06 12:11:20
194.   D4P
Does Kemp have much chance of becoming a patient hitter under the current regime...?
2007-09-06 12:11:29
195.   Gen3Blue
We need to get at this pitcher somehow, but he seems invulnerable, as he usually does against the D's. Maybe someone could be snuck into the dugout to tell him the equivalent of Monty Pythons fatal joke.
2007-09-06 12:11:44
196.   Gagne55
The existence of rule 9 is making me violate rule 10.
2007-09-06 12:11:46
197.   NorCal-Dodger
Guess, Lowe's run support from last few previous start has worn out..back to the usual no run and er h*t support either.
2007-09-06 12:11:56
198.   madmac
96 I'm pretty certain that at halftime on Saturday, Horton said their first game will be in 2008.

My last Mac Court appearance was also Reggie Millers last game there. I think UCLA beat Oregon by almost 40 and Reggie hit everything he threw up. Shortly after that I moved to CA.

Anyone going to the Ore/Stanford football game?

2007-09-06 12:12:04
199.   Curtis Lowe
Though watching them make weak count too early in the count is really getting on my nerves, Marquis is constantly throwing strikes.

Dodger hitter could however learn how to foul off a few and make him throw a ball.

2007-09-06 12:13:12
200.   Bluebleeder87
I'll tell you what, the Dodger batters are making Marquis look better than he actually is, swinging at first or 2nd pitches. believe me we won't have to worry about rule 9 I'm pretty sure the Dodger batters will be more selective in there next at bats.
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2007-09-06 12:13:37
201.   Daniel Zappala
It's no wonder the Dodgers can't hit well today -- Jason Kendall has a great catcher's ERA. It has nothing to do with Jason Marquis.
2007-09-06 12:13:39
202.   Curtis Lowe
199- Weak outs early in the count.
2007-09-06 12:15:07
203.   underdog
195 Hah, I love that sketch Gen.

"Wenn ist das Nunstück git und Slotermeyer? Ja! ... Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput." (Nonsensical German translation of joke.)

2007-09-06 12:15:08
204.   scooplew
194 Did you see where Kemp barked at the L.A. Times reporter, Dylan Hernandez, in today's story? Hernandez has been doing solid work cover the club.
2007-09-06 12:15:59
205.   imperabo
204 The bison goes. . . Bark Bark!
2007-09-06 12:16:08
206.   underdog
If I were Grady Little, I would make an announcement in the dugout. "Whoever swings at the first pitch from now on, better hit it out of the park or you owe me $1000."
2007-09-06 12:16:18
207.   D4P
Has anyone ever seen research on what "typically" happens when a hitter takes all the pitches in a PA?
2007-09-06 12:17:16
208.   scooplew
207 Isn't PA the backup Cubs centerfielder?
2007-09-06 12:17:22
209.   Linkmeister
Completely off topic but amusing (for the subset of people who didn't attend or don't like Stanford:

John McEnroe (former Stanford attendee), reacting to Appalachian State's defeat of Michigan last weekend, said "What's next? Stanford's going to have a good year?"

2007-09-06 12:17:42
210.   underdog
207 He either walks or strikes out - every time! (Or gets hit by a pitch.) It's uncanny. {duck}
2007-09-06 12:17:55
211.   kinbote
207 - he typically opts out and signs with boston for more money.
2007-09-06 12:18:58
212.   Gagne55
207 Walks and strikeouts are typical. Balls in play are not.
2007-09-06 12:21:58
213.   Bluebleeder87
hahaha, Luis Gonzalez teasing Marquis that he's gonna bunt for a hit, with the typical Gonzalez smile, nice little moment.
2007-09-06 12:22:05
214.   gpellamjr
211 Nice.
2007-09-06 12:22:27
215.   scareduck
204 - any time I read of a player saying something like "what a dumb question!", it's usually a sign that somebody's ego is taking a beating. Kemp has had one godawful week.

(I'm reminded of Ervin Santana's bitter remark after yet another crappy performance back in June or July in which he asked, "What kind of a question is that?" in response to Mike DiGiovanna asking him if he was concerned about being demoted to AAA.)

2007-09-06 12:22:59
216.   scareduck
211 - Brilliant! LOL!
2007-09-06 12:23:00
217.   D4P
208 et al.
What a buncha smart Alecs. Is everything a joke to you? Can't you be serious for one second?
2007-09-06 12:23:58
218.   KG16
this game is getting just a bit too interesting for my liking.
2007-09-06 12:24:49
219.   underdog
217 Not when a game's this 'interesting'!
2007-09-06 12:25:07
220.   Curtis Lowe
2007-09-06 12:25:10
221.   King of the Hobos
Loney breaks up the interesting game!
2007-09-06 12:25:14
222.   KG16
Interesting no more! Thank you James Loney!
2007-09-06 12:25:26
223.   trainwreck
2007-09-06 12:25:26
224.   Linkmeister
Take that, Rule 9!
2007-09-06 12:25:28
225.   kngoworld
Thats what the doctor ordered! LONEY!
2007-09-06 12:25:34
226.   imperabo
I'm actually finding it more interesting now.
2007-09-06 12:25:34
227.   underdog

Loney says, Interesting THIS!

2007-09-06 12:25:38
228.   Gen3Blue
Line drive by crazy eyes.
2007-09-06 12:25:39
229.   Bluebleeder87
200 Told you, Loney goes DEEP!!

Loney's swing looked beautiful too.

2007-09-06 12:25:42
230.   ToyCannon
Thank you Mr. Loney
2007-09-06 12:25:42
231.   scareduck
Helen will be mighty unhappy. I think I'll let her find out on her own.

Yay, Loney!

2007-09-06 12:25:46
232.   still bevens
"prodigious wallop" - Charlie Steiner quote of the year
2007-09-06 12:25:47
233.   BlueCrew Bruin
Leave it to Loney to make the game uninteresting. :)
2007-09-06 12:25:52
234.   Disabled List
Die, Rule 9, die!
2007-09-06 12:26:24
235.   underdog
Just like I said - Marquis is going to make some mistakes. The Dodgers have to make him pay when he does. Loney did.
2007-09-06 12:26:52
236.   imperabo
No no-hitter no more no more, no no-hitter no more.
2007-09-06 12:26:59
237.   Bluebleeder87
YAY, Vinnie making the same observation I made about La Roche standing PRETTY FAR FROM THE PLATE!
2007-09-06 12:27:03
238.   Gen3Blue
LaRoche wants one too badly.
2007-09-06 12:28:20
239.   SgtWyatt
Well, at least I can start rooting for the Dodgers again with the Loney HR. I had started rooting for the perfect game....ohhhh, if only LaRoche had kept that fair.
2007-09-06 12:28:21
240.   King of the Hobos
Laroche hammered that one foul.
2007-09-06 12:28:45
241.   Curtis Lowe
At least he worked the count.
2007-09-06 12:28:48
242.   underdog
Ooh, and Andy just missed making him pay, too.
2007-09-06 12:29:00
243.   Bluebleeder87
New ball game 1-1, hopefully Lowe keeps on pitching well.
2007-09-06 12:29:22
244.   KG16
237 - if he can lay off the outside junk, being off the plate isn't a bad thing because he'll be able to get good wood on inside stuff. It also makes it easier to go the other way, if he's stepping into the swings on stuff on the outside half of the plate. At least that's what I remember my hitting coach telling me in little league.
2007-09-06 12:29:40
245.   BlueCrew Bruin
Argh. Well, at least LaRoche got 8 pitches out of Marquis in that AB.
2007-09-06 12:29:49
246.   underdog
239 You were rooting for a perfect game against the Dodgers? I'd only consider doing that if it was the 9th inning and I was there in person.
2007-09-06 12:30:41
247.   Reddog
I wonder if LaRoche is one of these guys who plays well in the minors, but can't make it at the major league level.

Right now, I don't see much that impresses me.

2007-09-06 12:30:53
248.   Bluebleeder87

Andy La Roche gave it a ride but it curved foul.

2007-09-06 12:30:54
249.   Disabled List
239 I would never root for a perfect game or a no-hitter against the Dodgers, even if I were at the game in person. I'd be hoping up to the last pitch that someone breaks it up.
2007-09-06 12:31:16
250.   Curtis Lowe
LaRoche took my advice and instead of waiting for balls to work the count he fouled em off, except in my head it ended with getting on base not playing a base.
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2007-09-06 12:31:22
251.   Bob Timmermann
Cancel comment 99
2007-09-06 12:34:38
252.   Bluebleeder87

I see were your going with that & I would agree with you BUT from what he's shown now I'd have him step in a little closer (He tries to pull everything) ironically the 2 hits he has were to right field so go figure, I see your point though.

2007-09-06 12:34:39
253.   King of the Hobos
247 It's still far too early to conclude anything about Laroche yet. Especially while he's swinging at everything, which isn't really his game.
2007-09-06 12:34:57
254.   natepurcell
I wonder if LaRoche is one of these guys who plays well in the minors, but can't make it at the major league level.

You mean like Alex Gordon?

2007-09-06 12:35:07
255.   WillieD
Just signing in for today... Great point about the lack of homers since August 29, Jon! Hoorah for Loney! Sure glad they never traded that guy.
2007-09-06 12:35:08
256.   underdog
Excellent pitch from Lowe on that 3-2 strikeout.
2007-09-06 12:35:42
257.   regfairfield
Lance Berkman hit .237/.321/.387 in his first year.
2007-09-06 12:36:15
258.   Jeromy
Has anyone noticed how far LaRoche sinks down when he swings? I want to call it a crouch, but the easiest way to identify it is when they show a side view of his swing. It appears to me that as he swings, his entire torso drops 4-5" and while the bat head is level through the zone, he must have to adjust his eye level mid-swing to stay on the ball.
2007-09-06 12:36:28
259.   regfairfield
252 I'm pretty sure Andy LaRoche knows where he's comfortable standing at the plate.
2007-09-06 12:36:32
260.   underdog
I think the word "LaRoche" in French actually means "overanalyze prematurely," if I'm not mistaken.
2007-09-06 12:36:35
261.   natepurcell
going from low A to single A and from high A to AA, he has started each level off slowly. Its the same thing here. He needs an adjustment period. Don't worry, he will hit.
2007-09-06 12:38:05
262.   silverwidow
LaRoche is still pretty young. Those guys that mash in the minors but can't make big league rosters are usually late 20s/early 30s.
2007-09-06 12:38:10
263.   regfairfield
Bonds' rookie year: .223/.330/.416 in 413 at bats.
2007-09-06 12:39:12
264.   Bob Timmermann
Actually, LaRoche means "the rock."
2007-09-06 12:39:37
265.   Bluebleeder87
bone head play by Marquis, he had a play on Abreau on D-Lowe's bunt but opted to throw to 1st, hopefully we can capitalize on that mistake.
2007-09-06 12:39:45
266.   Curtis Lowe
But he's 2-12/2BBS!!!!!!!
2007-09-06 12:40:25
267.   silverwidow
I'm more worried about why Meloan all of a sudden can't throw strikes.
2007-09-06 12:40:28
268.   underdog
Raffy's hitting more like Raffi today.
2007-09-06 12:40:56
269.   regfairfield
262 And they generally strike out all the time.
2007-09-06 12:41:03
270.   underdog
264 Meh. I'll stick with my translation, merci.
2007-09-06 12:41:11
271.   imperabo
Do that every time Juan.
2007-09-06 12:41:27
272.   underdog
Way to take one for the team Pierre!
2007-09-06 12:41:32
273.   Curtis Lowe
267 - Meloan was pinched last night.
2007-09-06 12:42:14
274.   regfairfield
264 Wouldn't it be therock?
2007-09-06 12:42:27
275.   Jon Weisman
260 - Right on.
2007-09-06 12:43:21
276.   Gagne55
272 It should have been called that he made no effort to get out of the way. I hate it when players do that. Though it did help the team, I must admit.
2007-09-06 12:43:26
277.   Jon Weisman
267 - A guy making his major-league debut in a pennant race in September (instead of the calmer time of midseason) and you're worried? The explanation seems obvious.
2007-09-06 12:43:35
278.   underdog
I hope this doesn't mean I won't be seeing Kemp in person tomorrow night at the Giants game.
2007-09-06 12:43:48
279.   Bob Timmermann
Was Meloan physically pinched?

Or did someone steal something from him?

2007-09-06 12:44:44
280.   underdog
279 He kept saying, "I'm in the big leagues! I must be dreaming..."
2007-09-06 12:44:45
281.   WillieD
35 My daughter eats peaches, peach fuzz and all. The horror!
2007-09-06 12:45:35
282.   ssjames
279 If they say "he" was pinched, wouldn't that mean that someone actually Meloan, instead of stealing something from him?
2007-09-06 12:46:55
283.   D4P
Or did someone steal something from him?

His dimes, perhaps?

2007-09-06 12:47:05
284.   Gagne55
263 Mike Schmidt's .196 .324 .373 laughs at you.
2007-09-06 12:48:28
285.   imperabo
Is it really too much to ask that all of our prospects be Pujols?
2007-09-06 12:49:05
286.   Gagne55
Thank you Jones for swinging at ball 4.
2007-09-06 12:51:09
287.   capdodger
285 Do we really want that? I mean, I can't really imagine Pujols as a shortstop.
2007-09-06 12:51:13
288.   scooplew
Ron Cey's rookie year, 1973: .245, .338, .385, with 15 HR and 80 RBI.
2007-09-06 12:51:31
289.   natepurcell
the stage is set for a laroche GS.
2007-09-06 12:52:41
290.   Benaiah
Do you pinch hit for Lowe here? He probably will only go one more inning anyway, but on the other hand a 1-2-3 inning will let Kemp with less than two outs... Tough call.
2007-09-06 12:54:08
291.   capdodger
287 And yet, he played two innings there in 2002 without a putout, assist, or error.
2007-09-06 12:54:11
292.   Gagne55
287 Exactly what I was thinking. Plus, some of these guys are left handed. Hu needs to be more like Honus Wagner, Loney like Stan Musial, Kemp like Hank Aaron, and LaRoche like Mike Schmidt. Not to mention Billingsley be Roger Clemens, Kuo Sandy Koufax, and Kershaw be like Steve Carlton.
2007-09-06 12:54:25
293.   Benaiah
290 - On the other hand, he probably won't get to bat this inning since I misread who was leading off.
2007-09-06 12:54:35
294.   Bob Timmermann
Since Lowe's spot would be the sixth one in the inning, he would certainly be hit for in that situation. The Dodgers would be on the brink of a big inning.

It would be Shea Time!

2007-09-06 12:55:07
295.   underdog
Luis Gonzalez, we'd like to thank you for coming out today. We'll be in touch with you soon about the opening. Don't call us, we'll call you.
2007-09-06 12:55:25
296.   Bluebleeder87
That was probably the worst swing I've seen Russell Martin make, WOW.
2007-09-06 12:55:59
297.   Gagne55
290 If Lowe gets to bat, at least two runners will have reached base. I'd have to say pinch hit.
2007-09-06 12:56:14
298.   imperabo
293 I was actually wondering if that comment was sent from the future, or the past.
2007-09-06 12:56:25
299.   trainwreck
Martin is not moving too well.
2007-09-06 12:56:41
300.   silverwidow
277 -- Grady hasn't put Meloan in a real pressure situation yet, tbough. He looked great during his first inning, but since then has had trouble locating.

Maybe it's the Lieberthal factor.

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2007-09-06 12:57:51
301.   Gagne55
294 Sweeny=Shea?
2007-09-06 12:58:52
302.   dzzrtRatt
Russell Martin is "the natural."
2007-09-06 12:59:04
303.   Bluebleeder87
The windmill proves himself use full...

another great at bat by Loney.

2007-09-06 12:59:17
304.   imperabo
Martin was bookin'
2007-09-06 12:59:19
305.   trainwreck
Well he moved a lot better there.
2007-09-06 12:59:23
306.   natepurcell
hell yea! loney!
2007-09-06 12:59:25
307.   Jon Weisman
300 - It hardly seems like a permanent condition.
2007-09-06 12:59:27
308.   capdodger
299 Was that said before or after Martin scored from first on a double?
2007-09-06 12:59:28
309.   underdog
Martin didn't look too hurt on that sprint.

What excellent hustle!!

2007-09-06 12:59:31
310.   dzzrtRatt
Looking at the replay, Martin is obviously still hurting. Fastest limp I ever saw.
2007-09-06 12:59:31
311.   Curtis Lowe
Loney says HA!
2007-09-06 12:59:41
312.   Andrew Shimmin
Martin's crutches are turbo charged.
2007-09-06 12:59:41
313.   LeeLacy

If Martin's the Golden God, then what should we call James?

2007-09-06 12:59:49
314.   Gagne55
When I heard Scully say that Martin was being waved home, I nearly freaked out. turns out he scored easily.
2007-09-06 13:00:09
315.   underdog
Darn, I hate commenting when on slight delay.
2007-09-06 13:00:36
316.   underdog
This is it, Andy! This is your career - now or never! A hit or bust!


2007-09-06 13:01:11
317.   Gagne55
Although if the dodgers open this lead up more, I'd just keep Lowe in there.
2007-09-06 13:01:39
318.   Fallout
147 D4P
The WGN cameramen really need to get girlfriends

>>My WGN is showing the White Sox<<

I was reading through the comments and this one 139 made look to see if Dish Network had made a mistake in their menu. No. The White Sox were on.

2007-09-06 13:01:57
319.   capdodger
313 Crushinator?
2007-09-06 13:02:26
320.   Gen3Blue
Martin on one knee is better than most on two. And Loney's swing makes the average ones look poor.
2007-09-06 13:02:47
321.   Gagne55
Pinella is forcing Little's hand.
2007-09-06 13:03:16
322.   underdog
Tony Abreu's first career IBB, I'm guessing?
2007-09-06 13:03:18
323.   imperabo
313 An average hitting first baseman with a good glove who comes cheap?
2007-09-06 13:03:47
324.   natepurcell

we need a shorter name then that.

2007-09-06 13:04:21
325.   underdog
And Little says, fuhget you, Lou, Lowe's no worse than most of my pinch hitters! Er... Huh.
2007-09-06 13:04:26
326.   Gagne55
And he shows confidence in Lowe. Lowe better go out and dominate this inning.
2007-09-06 13:04:27
327.   Benaiah
So now what? I guess my comment about pinch hitting for Lowe was strangely prescient (the strange part being my inability to remember who made the last out of the last inning).
2007-09-06 13:04:33
328.   Bob Timmermann
Tell the grandkids about it!
2007-09-06 13:04:57
329.   Bob Timmermann
Shows what I know about whether or not Lowe would be hit for.
2007-09-06 13:05:00
330.   imperabo
2007-09-06 13:05:45
331.   Bluebleeder87

the visual just makes you LOL.

2007-09-06 13:05:54
332.   underdog
I guess "Crazy Eyes" Loney isn't the most flattering nickname in the world. Maybe LoneZilla?
2007-09-06 13:06:26
333.   Gagne55
I thought Lou actually made a smart decision. Either he gets an easy out or forces Lowe out of the game.
2007-09-06 13:06:34
334.   Jon Weisman
327 - It was strangely prescient.

I'd be (pleasantly) surprised if Lowe got through two more scoreless innings, and just one isn't enough to justify keeping him in. I think you have to hit for him there.

2007-09-06 13:07:36
335.   Bob Timmermann
But there will be a hitter for Marquis.


2007-09-06 13:07:49
336.   scooplew
330 Except I think that Loney will hit above .300 with some pop -- 15-20 HR a year.
2007-09-06 13:08:20
337.   Fallout
313,324 Grace II
2007-09-06 13:08:20
338.   Gagne55
Looks like keeping in Lowe wasn't such a good decision after all.
2007-09-06 13:08:36
339.   ToyCannon
The Sept legend of Crazy Eyes Loney continues to grow. The T-Shirt to wear in October will be:
I'm Loony
2007-09-06 13:08:42
340.   scooplew
334 Who do you think Little would have had pitch the 7th had Lowe being pinch-hit for?
2007-09-06 13:09:35
341.   regfairfield
336 So an average hitting first baseman with a good glove who comes cheap?
2007-09-06 13:09:53
342.   underdog
I agree. I was thinking he was trying to rest the beleaguered bullpen after last night, and Lowe's been pitching well, but the two best pitchers in the 'pen didn't appear last night. Doesn't make sense to me after all.
2007-09-06 13:10:19
343.   capdodger
340 Why bother guessing? If Lowe doesn't get some outs, we'll find out soon enough?
2007-09-06 13:10:25
344.   fawnkyj
How about the "Lonestar"?
2007-09-06 13:10:38
345.   WillieD
150 I enjoy the shots of girls. Haven't seen today's yet, just thinking of the last Cubs broadcast of the Dodgers I saw. At least it isn't like those ridiculous Carl's Jr. ads lately. Sheesh!
2007-09-06 13:10:42
346.   KG16
a ground ball to Furcal would be real nice right now.
2007-09-06 13:11:22
347.   caseybarker
Flirting with disaster... all those low and inside pitches to Floyd.
2007-09-06 13:11:35
348.   underdog
Well, it's looking like a dumb move now, at any rate.
2007-09-06 13:11:44
349.   Jon Weisman
340 - Probably Beimel.
2007-09-06 13:11:47
350.   imperabo
336 That's about average for a first baseman. I'm not disparaging. An average hitting first baseman is probably worth 10mil+ per year.
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2007-09-06 13:11:52
351.   still bevens
Grady making his 'let Lowe hit' decision look absolutely nuts.
2007-09-06 13:11:58
352.   underdog
Double switch here?
2007-09-06 13:12:20
353.   Terry A
313 - Sweet Baby James?
2007-09-06 13:12:25
355.   Fallout
334 Jon Weisman

It seems to me that they are looking for only one inning more.

2007-09-06 13:12:28
356.   Jon Weisman
Wow, I underestimated him. If he's willing to go with Broxton in the seventh, all the more reason to pinch-hit for Lowe.
2007-09-06 13:12:34
357.   ToyCannon
How many times has a pitcher hit for himself with a lead of 2 runs or less in the 6th inning, and then blew his own win when he took the mound?
2007-09-06 13:12:48
358.   Benaiah
Good thing we got that extra nothing out of Lowe. It really saved the bullpen. Grady obviously had Lowe on something of a short leash at that point so why leave him in at all?
2007-09-06 13:13:01
359.   silverwidow
307 -- As someone who's been begging for Meloan's call-up all year long, I think I realize it's not a 'permanent condition'. But there has to be some disappointment about his 5BB/1K ratio.
2007-09-06 13:13:30
360.   KG16
An Ethier pinch hit and defensive replacement in left field probably made sense in the top of the 7th. Though, I am suspect of any pitcher out of the bullpen not named Broxton or Saito - no, I'm still not sure about Meloan.
2007-09-06 13:13:44
361.   Bluebleeder87
Lonestar Loney sounds pretty hip in my book.
2007-09-06 13:13:50
362.   Jonny6
Grady's managerial genius is on full display today.

I really can't understand giving up a near sure out with two runners on for one more potential inning. Even if Lowe had done well it was a poor decision, especially since Beimel, Broxton, and Saito all had yesterday off.

2007-09-06 13:14:11
363.   Jon Weisman
359 - You originally said you were worried. That's what I was responding to, and that's entirely different from "disappointment."
2007-09-06 13:14:20
364.   capdodger
352 Double-switching would compound his error. Lowe made the last out, so if he put the pitcher in another spot he'd have to pinch hit again sooner than he would for a straight change.
2007-09-06 13:15:50
365.   Jonny6
Correcting myself, Beimel actually made 2 pitches yesterday. Watched most of that game, but must have missed that minute.
2007-09-06 13:16:27
366.   caseybarker
Coach G--Little
King of Town--McCourt
2007-09-06 13:16:46
367.   trainwreck
2007-09-06 13:16:56
368.   capdodger
Oh, darn.
2007-09-06 13:17:01
369.   ToyCannon
Meloan would have just walked him
2007-09-06 13:17:07
370.   Bluebleeder87

It just didn't make sense, just like Jon said, ugh.

2007-09-06 13:17:22
371.   KG16
I'm beginning to wish that Little had stayed in Boston.
2007-09-06 13:17:24
372.   Sam in SC
I am sure that was even more depressing on television than it was on gamecast.
2007-09-06 13:17:25
373.   underdog
I literally just said out loud to myself, "please don't give up the 3 run homer, Broxton."

So much for reverse jinxing it!


2007-09-06 13:17:25
374.   Bob Timmermann
Then that happened...
2007-09-06 13:17:26
375.   regfairfield
2007-09-06 13:17:53
376.   natepurcell
I'm sad.
2007-09-06 13:18:14
377.   Bob Timmermann
Unlike Jon, I'm not having a hunger strike. Lunch time for me.
2007-09-06 13:18:31
378.   Improbable88
piss poor
2007-09-06 13:18:38
379.   KG16
Soriano should take up golf, both pitches he hit out were inches off the ground.
2007-09-06 13:18:43
380.   Sam in SC
and there was the ground ball we needed. not so bad, just out of order.
2007-09-06 13:18:44
381.   ToyCannon
We are still going to win.
2007-09-06 13:18:48
382.   Bluebleeder87
Hopefully we can get to there bullpen.
2007-09-06 13:18:51
383.   Andrew Shimmin
369- Broxton tried his best to walk him. Just didn't work out.
2007-09-06 13:19:01
384.   WillieD
Ugh. Talk about taking the wind out of your sails.
2007-09-06 13:19:02
385.   imperabo
Imagine how dangerous Soriano would be if he can the patience to get 3-1 counts regularly.
2007-09-06 13:19:06
386.   underdog
I was having a hunger strike. Now I've just lost my appetite.
2007-09-06 13:19:46
387.   trainwreck
Shortest Bull outing in a long time.
2007-09-06 13:19:52
388.   Benaiah
Ouch, that worked out about as poorly as you could possibly imagine. Grittle basically rolled the dice and threw up snake eyes, but it was a stupid bet either way. I don't remember him being this absurd with his in game decisions last year, but maybe I just blocked out those memories?
2007-09-06 13:20:06
389.   D4P
Broxton tried his best to walk him. Just didn't work out

Yeah. You can throw Soriano a pitch in the dirt, but you can't make him not swing.

2007-09-06 13:20:23
390.   underdog
that really was a low ball he hit out wasn't it? (Which I've now had ample opportunity to see, what with the 23 replays of it on the Cubs broadcast.) Next time, just plunk him in the butt, Broxton.
2007-09-06 13:20:29
391.   Xeifrank
11% win probability.
vr, Xei
2007-09-06 13:20:41
392.   Benjamin Miracord
"Everybody knew it was the end of the line for Big Jon."
2007-09-06 13:20:42
393.   Improbable88
wow....broxton for two the 7th!

Grady is really showing his true colors here.

2007-09-06 13:20:52
394.   Bluebleeder87
I feel like I got punched in the torso or there abouts!!
2007-09-06 13:21:03
395.   bearlurker
Agreed that Little should have it for Lowe, especially after the callups and with Broxton and Saito rested.
2007-09-06 13:21:09
396.   MollyKnight
I am really, really angry right now.
2007-09-06 13:21:17
397.   imperabo
391 Never tell me the odds.
2007-09-06 13:22:55
398.   underdog
Yah, I more often than not defend Grady but this was a thoroughly dumb decision making. Now, in fairness, no guarantee that a) a pinch hitter would've done anything and b) that a reliever would have done any better than Lowe in that inning (since Broxton sure didn't), but I would've rolled the dice for pinch hitter and gone that way. Oh well. Would've been better if Lowe had just thrown some strikes and Broxton did his part.
2007-09-06 13:23:07
399.   Xeifrank
What's wrong with Broxton in the 7th? Especially in a situation with the "Leverage Index" soaring. vr, Xei
2007-09-06 13:24:09
400.   LogikReader
So lets say that Lowe was pinch hit for, would we be saying "Hey Lowe was on a roll, why did we ruin his momentum?"
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2007-09-06 13:24:16
401.   underdog
Oh for the love of... He swung into a pitch in the middle of the plate (high) and then gets hit and gets a base.
2007-09-06 13:25:26
402.   Benaiah
397: Rachel: Yeah, it's a game of chance though, isn't it? It's what you...
Gareth: No, it's not. I would know what cards you've got immediately just through what cards I've got. I used to play it by myself, with a dummy hand just testing out every different scenario of which cards would beat which other cards for hours, sometimes three or four at a time. But put in the work, the rewards are obvious. So I'd know exactly what card you've got in your hand from what cards I've got and I would know, probability wise, exactly what feature to pick on my card to defeat, statistically, any card that you could have in your hand at that precise moment. You will never win.
Gareth: Could still be fun, though.
2007-09-06 13:25:31
403.   imperabo
401 Yeah I think if you swing at a ball and it hits you in the arm. . .
2007-09-06 13:25:37
404.   Bluebleeder87
Grady looks like he knows it was his fault so I'll give him that.
2007-09-06 13:26:25
405.   Bluebleeder87
Nice inning by Beimel, hopefully the Dodger bats get us some runs.
2007-09-06 13:26:38
406.   scooplew
Overall, I have to say that Little was a better manager last season.
2007-09-06 13:26:51
407.   underdog
Well, that was a lovely double play! (In the Small Consolation Dept.)
2007-09-06 13:26:53
408.   Improbable88
399 Just that if he was willing to go with Broxton in the 7th, why not pinch hit.

Jon said as much I think too.

2007-09-06 13:27:12
409.   ryu
404 How can you tell Grady knows it was his fault?
2007-09-06 13:28:59
410.   Benaiah
406 - Do you think that he was better last year because he was still new and this is him being comfortable on the job? Is this the real Grady? He is just awful.
2007-09-06 13:29:20
411.   underdog
What kind of a name is Fuld? Vewwy vewwy odd.
2007-09-06 13:29:30
412.   Bluebleeder87

He has that look of "damn it!" it was my fault. But maybe he's thinking something else, I like giving people the benefit of the doubt I guess.

2007-09-06 13:29:42
413.   scooplew
I don't see a lot of Dodgers games on TV where I live, but from what I have seen I put Grady Little in the same category with Shawn Green as far as showing emotion -- very low on the scale.
2007-09-06 13:30:07
414.   bearlurker
400 No, I was calling for him to PH (but didn't post in time) and so was Jon. Lowe had not pitched that well and he was going to have to face Soriano again. It's the 6th, so any type of rally later, we'd see the effective Marmol or Howry--it was a mistake not to PH in that situation.

Disappointed in Grady (I've been a supporter of his and still like him more than Tracy).

2007-09-06 13:30:11
415.   JoeyP
Jim Tracy used to do what Little just done all the time.

Its so ridiculous, that its fruitless to comment on.

2007-09-06 13:30:16
416.   Dark Horse
406-I agree, Little was a better manager last season. He also had a better team to manage.

Everytime I watch something like that happen--a three-run jack, the very thing our offense is built to seldom produce--I think this sits on Colletti's shoulders. About all I can console myself with is the recognition that McCourt might've felt in June like Ned was a brilliant hire, but it would only take one more season like this one to change his mind, I'm sure.

2007-09-06 13:30:41
417.   Sam in SC
as an aside, I will never understand why MLB has put two of the worst three umpires in baseball on the same crew.

Umpires: Home - Ed Rapuano, First Base - Ed Hickox, Second Base - C.B. Bucknor, Third Base - Joe West

all you need is angel hernandez.

2007-09-06 13:30:45
418.   underdog
He made a bad decision. Does that make him an awful manager throughout the year? I don't think so. Or at least, When I look at managers throughout the league, I can't think of many - or any - that would consistently please all the posters here.
2007-09-06 13:30:49
419.   Xeifrank
408. I think the manager is "willing" to take ANY pitcher out at ANY time in the game if it is so warranted. I missed too much of the game to really argue the point very strongly. My guess is that he wanted one more inning out of Lowe, to get to Broxton/Saito for the last two innings. And when Lowe got in trouble, he had to bite the bullet. What were the circumstances when Lowe batted? Runners in scoring position with 2 outs? vr, Xei
2007-09-06 13:31:02
420.   Jon Weisman
Molly, where you been?

New post up top.

2007-09-06 13:31:08
421.   bhsportsguy
How can it be his fault? So, no matter what happens on the field, its the manager's fault.

He went with Derek Lowe, who is the pitcher who generally goes 7 innings, he presumely wanted to just use Lowe, Broxton and Saito today.

Sometimes players make bad pitches or players come through, Soriano came through.

2007-09-06 13:31:21
422.   imperabo
412 JP has that expression all day long. Doesn't make me feel better.
2007-09-06 13:31:56
423.   underdog
Good job Slappy McPopup.


2007-09-06 13:32:00
424.   scareduck
Wow, that lead changed hands in a hurry.

Gameday is still stuck on Soriano's homer. There must be some metaphysical reason for this.

2007-09-06 13:32:27
425.   still bevens
Theres nothing I hate more than seeing our 1-2 come up in late innings when we're down. An even more potent combo is when its 9-1-2 in any inning.
2007-09-06 13:32:41
426.   scareduck
423 - Helen got a laugh out of that nickname when I told her about it, having suffered through a year of Pierre as a Cub.
2007-09-06 13:33:22
427.   underdog
2007-09-06 13:33:27
428.   trainwreck
Bison Blast!!!
2007-09-06 13:33:30
429.   scareduck
On the other hand, there is the Cubs bullpen.
2007-09-06 13:33:34
430.   still bevens
Yeah good thing nobody was on base for that one.
2007-09-06 13:34:02
431.   scooplew
410 You have a good point. My criticism includes his benching of Kemp periodically after Kemp has had good games, playing Garciaparra too frequently, staying with Tomko as long as he did (instead of pitching Houlton or someone else), not ever benching Pierre at the expense of Ethier and others sitting out, playing Hillenbrand at third base after sending Young back to AAA (I know Colletti was involved) and a frequent bad call on pitching changes. This is not a great team, but it is not, as Hershiser said last night, "mediocre." I just question many of Little's moves and not all of them with 20-20 hindsight.
2007-09-06 13:34:22
432.   Xeifrank
Win probability soars to 16% on the Kemp HR.
vr, Xei
2007-09-06 13:35:50
433.   JoeyP
Pierre/Kemp batting back-back is like watching the worst thing about the Dodgers followed by the best.
2007-09-06 13:35:57
434.   still bevens
PVL Index is 0 at the moment with no chance of redemption unless we get extra innings.
2007-09-06 13:35:57
435.   FirstMohican
Loney homered, LaRoche almost homered, Kemp homered. Ok Martin and Abreu, lets see what you 2've got.
2007-09-06 13:37:39
436.   JoeyP
421--Its stupid to let your pitcher bat in the top half of the inning if you're only going to pull him in the bottom half.

Especially with a 40man roster.

2007-09-06 13:38:12
437.   ssjames
Why do we even play anyone on this team, outside of the pitchers and Kent who is over 25 years old anymore? All of the talent is very young and all of the older players' talent has diminished below the current level of the youngsters.
2007-09-06 13:41:31
438.   scareduck
"The Dodgers have three outs left in their arsenal."

I thought they weren't allowed to cuss on the airwaves.

2007-09-06 13:41:33
439.   natepurcell
Martin/Loney/Laroche is probably the best we could have hoped for.
2007-09-06 13:43:21
440.   Jon Weisman
You guys missed the New Post Up Top message - here's a reminder.
2007-09-06 13:44:01
441.   regfairfield
437 Furcal is good at baseball.
2007-09-06 13:44:45
442.   scareduck
Carlos Marmol has a 1.45 ERA and is striking out close to two batters per inning, and the Cubs send out Ryan Dempster to shut this game down. Hm.
2007-09-06 13:45:05
443.   Xeifrank
436. I'm sure he wasn't planning on pulling Lowe. He took a chance and lost. Atleast he brought in Broxton. But that back fired too. More bad luck than anything else imho.
vr, Xei
2007-09-06 13:45:28
444.   ssjames
441 I totally forgot about him. Okay, Furcal can come, but he better watch himself.
2007-09-06 13:49:34
445.   JoeyP
439--pinch hitting for LaRoche?
2007-09-06 13:49:44
446.   dzzrtRatt
Mon Dieu!!!
2007-09-06 13:49:46
447.   Andrew Shimmin
Ch-i bless you, Mr. Ethier.
2007-09-06 13:50:43
448.   Longhorn Bill
Props to Grady
2007-09-06 13:50:54
449.   JoeyP
The Cub suckiness has saved Little.
This was a total flashback to 2004 when Jim Tracy would make bad decisions and the Dodgers would still win.
2007-09-06 13:51:02
450.   Longhorn Bill
and Andre of course
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2007-09-06 13:51:34
451.   JoeyP
I do give credit for Little for not bunting with Ethier.

Tracy would have bunted.

2007-09-06 13:52:38
452.   WillieD
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!@@! Way to jinx the homer drought, Mr. Wiesman.... It's Saito time. :-)
2007-09-06 13:53:44
453.   MollyKnight
I am really, really happy right now.
2007-09-06 13:55:25
454.   Gen3Blue
I've got my sound up again! Ethier!

444 Furcal has spent so much time playing with injuries, That the effect is that he is diminished to that point much of the time.

2007-09-06 13:55:37
455.   scooplew
439 You nailed it!
2007-09-06 13:56:29
456.   dzzrtRatt
449 I think you're giving managers too much credit and the first-place Cubs too little. These aren't the Pirates. The Dodgers have battled and battled to get to where they are in this game. This game did not look like it was going to be a pleasant one.

Hitting for LaRoche was exactly the right thing to do. Ethier is having a superb season and should be playing every day. Having him on the bench is a luxury, and I'm glad Little didn't shy away from using it.

And I am enthused as anyone that LaRoche is playing. But he's a kid, he's pressing, and this at-bat was a big deal. Looking at the post-HR video of LaRoche and Ethier on the bench, Andy looked relieved and pleased.

2007-09-06 13:59:47
457.   JoeyP
456--Win, Lose, or Draw--you're looking at the end result rather than thought process to get there.

Yeah, Ethier hitting a homer is great.
But pinch hitting for LaRoche, when Ethier could have hit for Abreu or for Beimel would have been a smarter move.

Unless of course you dont think LaRoche is as good as Abreu/Sweeney.

Little made a goof in the 7th with the letting Lowe bat, and then taking him right out in the bottom. It happens. Those are bad decisions. Sometimes teams win despite bad decisions, but usually they dont.

2007-09-06 14:11:14
458.   Improbable88
I was giving my classroom direction from the back of the room (and in front of the computer) during the ninth inning rally and couldn't help a Gibson-esque fist pump and whoop! when Ethier's blast went out on gameday.

What a great game! And the most enjoyable day of teaching I have had in awhile!

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