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It's Not Second-Guessing; It's a Philosophy ... But Third Acts Are Welcome
2007-09-06 13:21
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

Dodgers lead, 2-1, top of the seventh inning, two runners on, two out, starting pitcher Derek Lowe due up.

From Dodger Thoughts, June 3, 2005:

Let me say this again: The starter who was a better pitcher than the reliever when the game began, who was a better pitcher than the reliever in the second, third, fourth and fifth innings, in most cases goes from better to worse as the game enters the final innings.

So the bargain you strike when you let that starter pitch in the late innings - trying to eke out another effective inning from the guy who has already thrown five to seven, trying to spare your bullpen an extra inning of work, is like blowing your bubble gum past its breaking point. Your starting pitcher might not make it through his next inning, you'll have to go to your bullpen anyway, and you're facing a larger deficit - one sticky mess. If you sacrificed a pinch-hitting opportunity in the process, call up Don Rickles so that he can add the perfect insult to your injury.

So today, even if the pinch-hitter for Lowe were to strike out, it still very likely would have been a better move than expecting Lowe to keep the Cubs off the scoreboard into the seventh and eighth innings. Especially in September, you have to go for the runs and pinch-hit.

As it happens, Lowe (Mike Fontenot single, Cliff Floyd walk) and Jonathan Broxton (Alfonso Soriano three-run home run) have combined to nullify James Loney's homer/double/two-RBI heroics, and the Dodgers trail Chicago, 4-2, entering the eighth.

Update:
Hallelujah!
Hallelujah!
Hallelujah! Hallelujah!
Hallelujah!
After Matt Kemp homers in the eighth, Russell Martin and Loney single and pinch-hitter Andre Ethier hits a three-run homer in the ninth to put the Dodgers up, 6-4. Takashi Saito then closes out a 7-4 victory, moving the Dodgers within 2 1/2 games of the Padres in the wild-card race.

Loney, Kemp and Ethier homer. Oh my.

Comments (438)
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2007-09-06 13:32:56
1.   Bluebleeder87
KEMP GOES YARD!!!!
2007-09-06 13:33:24
2.   bhsportsguy
In the American League, this is not even an issue.

Matty makes it a one-run game.

2007-09-06 13:33:40
3.   underdog
Bison!! He buffaloed that one!
2007-09-06 13:33:47
4.   Gagne55
4-3 now.
2007-09-06 13:34:22
5.   underdog
Gonzo's done nothing all day. (Sort of like me, and my job.) Time for both of us to make up for that!
2007-09-06 13:34:39
6.   underdog
Um... yeah. (No comment.)
2007-09-06 13:35:08
7.   Ken Noe
The Dodgers have now homered since August 29. Bison!
2007-09-06 13:37:20
8.   Jon Weisman
7 - Twice.

First road HR for Matt.

2007-09-06 13:37:39
9.   ryu
Isn't that Kemp's first homer on the road?
2007-09-06 13:37:46
10.   StolenMonkey86
8 - of the year.
2007-09-06 13:38:53
11.   bearlurker
Great post up top Jon.

If Lowe pitched for the Reds, I could see keeping him in there with their awful pen.

Plus, I don't know if anyone has mentioned that both Kent and Ethier were available to PH.

2007-09-06 13:38:59
12.   ryu
And the answer 8 precedes the question 9 by 19 seconds...
2007-09-06 13:39:13
13.   Curtis Lowe
What happens when LaRoche is pinch hit for with Shea or Ramon?
2007-09-06 13:39:27
14.   Ken Noe
5 The kids have all the runs and rbis today. Got four more coming up in the ninth. Maybe Abreu has the guts/stomach/etc. to get a game winner.
2007-09-06 13:39:50
15.   Curtis Lowe
11 - Kent,Ethier, Sweeney,Young,Hu,Saenz.
2007-09-06 13:40:28
16.   Bluebleeder87
Martin
Loney
La Roche

batting in the 9th, should at least be interesting.

2007-09-06 13:40:44
17.   imperabo
13 Cats and dogs, living together, mass hysteria!
2007-09-06 13:41:31
18.   Ken Noe
8 Sorry, guess it would help to check the box score first. I've been doing that work thing.
2007-09-06 13:41:47
19.   King of the Hobos
13 It's September, so I doubt that will happen. More likely Kent will get Laroche's AB, and Shea/Martinez take over 3rd if there is a bottom of the 9th.
2007-09-06 13:41:51
20.   underdog
Beimel sure did his part today. I guess Grady arranged this dyslexically. Should have been Beimel in for Lowe, after a PH. Then Broxton. 3-1 Dodgers win. Ah well.

I wish they had more than one more inning to come back, though.

2007-09-06 13:44:11
21.   underdog
Everytime a cloud covers the sun at Wrigley it becomes pitch black - at least on TV.
2007-09-06 13:44:34
22.   King of the Hobos
Ethier will be batting in Laroche's spot. He has a helmet on and a bat in hand behind Loney.
2007-09-06 13:45:30
23.   Bluebleeder87
O.K. Here we go.
2007-09-06 13:45:59
24.   King of the Hobos
I know Martin scored on Loney's double, but I tend to prefer Hu run for Martin here.
2007-09-06 13:46:07
25.   imperabo
Nice outfiled play. I thought that was a double.
2007-09-06 13:46:27
26.   Andrew Shimmin
Ethier for LaRoche. I'm not lovin' it, like McDonalds, but it could be worse.
2007-09-06 13:47:18
27.   Bluebleeder87
25

that's what I thought too, oh well, we'll see what else unfolds.

2007-09-06 13:47:19
28.   Xeifrank
I have no problem with letting Lowe bat unless he was up with runners in scoring position and two outs. The manager took a gamble and lost. Bad luck imho. Thread switching during the middle of the game, now that I don't understand! :) vr, Xei
2007-09-06 13:47:26
29.   Benaiah
22 - I don't mind that move. Laroche is still getting his sea legs and Ethier is an awfully nice pinch hitting option.
2007-09-06 13:47:56
30.   Bluebleeder87
man, Loney has absolutely no speed, but at least he beat it out, YES!!
2007-09-06 13:48:07
31.   trainwreck
Clap Clap Clap!!!
2007-09-06 13:48:12
32.   scareduck
Holy guacamole, Rick Ankiel is hitting .338/.386/.675 since he returned:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/ankieri01.shtml

2007-09-06 13:48:32
33.   Jon Weisman
Alert! Alert!
2007-09-06 13:48:35
34.   bhsportsguy
Now do you send up someone to bunt?
2007-09-06 13:48:50
35.   Bluebleeder87
29

I agree, big spot for Ethier.

2007-09-06 13:48:53
36.   JT Dutch
... Come on, Dodgers. Here we go now.
2007-09-06 13:49:07
37.   KG16
Ethier hitting for LaRoche? Interesting move. I'd have waited for the pitcher's spot, but hey, I don't get paid the big bucks for these kind of decisions.
2007-09-06 13:49:08
38.   capdodger
Plus you get the LHB-RHP split like this.
2007-09-06 13:49:15
39.   Xeifrank
gone@!
vr, Xei
2007-09-06 13:49:21
40.   blue22
33 - So much for that.
2007-09-06 13:49:29
41.   scareduck
I repeat: with Carlos Marmol in the pen idle -- he's got a 1.47 ERA while striking out nearly two batters per inning -- why do they have Ryan Dempster trying to save this game, other than the fact that he is the anointed closer?
2007-09-06 13:49:31
42.   Xeifrank
win probability, three trillion!!!!!!!!
vr, Xei
2007-09-06 13:49:32
43.   bhsportsguy
34 It would have Martinez if they would have bunted.
2007-09-06 13:49:32
44.   Bluebleeder87
YES YES YES!! ETHIER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2007-09-06 13:49:33
45.   KG16
I no longer doubt Grady Little's move.
2007-09-06 13:49:34
46.   Fallout
Are those 16% odds going up?
2007-09-06 13:49:38
47.   still bevens
Gameday disagrees with some of these called strikes Dempster is getting.
2007-09-06 13:49:42
48.   ssjames
Why can't we just pinch hit Kemp here and actually for every player we have, even himself?
2007-09-06 13:49:43
49.   King of the Hobos
I'm fine with Ethier batting for Laroche here.

!!!!!!!!

2007-09-06 13:49:49
50.   StolenMonkey86
3 run jack from 3.5!
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2007-09-06 13:49:56
51.   Bluebleeder87
HAPPY OVERLOAD, HAPPY OVERLOAD, HAPPY OVERLOAD!!
2007-09-06 13:49:58
52.   ssjames
48 Nevermind
2007-09-06 13:49:58
53.   imperabo
Bee You Tee Full.
2007-09-06 13:50:03
54.   JT Dutch
... YES! ANDRE~~~!
2007-09-06 13:50:07
55.   LogikReader
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa hooooooooooo!
2007-09-06 13:50:09
56.   underdog
I'm so happy I could cry right now. If I wasn't in the office I would do a big ol' jig.
2007-09-06 13:50:12
57.   nick
!!!!!

"From Moron to Genius: The Grady Little Story"

2007-09-06 13:50:16
58.   capdodger
BOOYAH!
2007-09-06 13:50:18
59.   ToyCannon
Grittle is a frickin genius.
2007-09-06 13:50:23
60.   Ken Noe
If I were a woman, I'd bear Ethier's kids right now. Have to say it, nice move Grady.
2007-09-06 13:50:26
61.   scareduck
Oh. My. God.

Life at 6-4-2 World Headquarters is going to be interesting after this game.

2007-09-06 13:50:28
62.   Xeifrank
46. see 42.
2007-09-06 13:50:36
63.   Benaiah
Ha ha ha ha ha. Wonderful.
2007-09-06 13:50:43
64.   Jonny6
Do you think Ethier might get the start tomorrow after that one?
2007-09-06 13:50:43
65.   LogikReader
no need to second guess that one!
2007-09-06 13:50:46
66.   trainwreck
EEEEEETTTTTTTHIIIIIIIIERRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TC IS NOSTRADAMUS!!

2007-09-06 13:50:56
67.   Gagne55
Ethier belts one! W00T!!!!!!
2007-09-06 13:50:59
68.   madmac
what was that about a 3 run jack
2007-09-06 13:50:59
69.   underdog
Bless you, 'Dre, bless your heart and soul.

See?? Grady was right after all! {duck}

2007-09-06 13:51:01
70.   capdodger
Grady Little: Crazy like a Fox.
2007-09-06 13:51:18
71.   Xeifrank
60. I think Alyssa has first dibs.
vr, Xei
2007-09-06 13:51:26
72.   bearlurker
Kudos to Grady for not making anyone bunt!
2007-09-06 13:51:47
73.   ToyCannon
The best part is that my co-worker was asking if we shouldn't be bunting one second before the blast.
2007-09-06 13:51:57
74.   Daniel Zappala
Two times today I have seen "Pitch hit in play" from Gamecast and I've willed it over the fence. I should do this more often.
2007-09-06 13:51:59
75.   Xeifrank
how about a new thread, to discuss that strategy?? vr, Xei
2007-09-06 13:52:04
76.   Disabled List
Man, I love 3-run homeruns. Those are the best. Way better than this five-singles-for-every-three-runs business.
2007-09-06 13:52:06
77.   madmac
Underdog is my favorite DT poster
2007-09-06 13:52:26
78.   fawnkyj
THIS IS SPARTA!!!!!!!!
2007-09-06 13:52:32
79.   underdog
I'm glad I postponed getting lunch just a little longer.
2007-09-06 13:52:33
80.   imperabo
I gotta say this is the luckiest inning ever. A big error and a Wrigley Field popup.
2007-09-06 13:52:33
81.   Curtis Lowe
34 - No

HAHAHA Sweeet.

LaRoches would have been more bombie.

2007-09-06 13:52:45
82.   ToyCannon
I love Steiner's enthusiasm
2007-09-06 13:52:49
83.   Xeifrank
how dare the Cub fans boo their own players.
vr, Xei
2007-09-06 13:53:04
84.   underdog
80 And a legit hit down the line for Russell, don't forget.
2007-09-06 13:53:05
85.   SgtWyatt
What a game! It's a good thing I can never bring myself to turn the TV off, just in case just such an inning takes place late in the game.
2007-09-06 13:53:09
86.   nick
those great Cub fans booing Dempster; pretty weak stuff...
2007-09-06 13:53:24
87.   Benaiah
Grady gets lucky. I do not forgive his first idiotic move, but it is awfully hard to feel anything other than euphoria right now.
2007-09-06 13:53:25
88.   blue22
72/73 - Play for the win on the road, but don't you think most managers bunt right there?
2007-09-06 13:53:26
89.   Gagne55
Dempster is hearing it! We've gotten the Cubs fans to boo twice this series. :)
2007-09-06 13:53:38
90.   scareduck
http://www.fangraphs.com/livewins.aspx?gameid=270906116
2007-09-06 13:53:48
91.   capdodger
69 It's all part of his plan to motivate them. Everyone knows that the quickest way to gain proven vet status is stirring, 9th innning comebacks.
2007-09-06 13:53:48
92.   LAT
On radio, Steiner telling Monday how much Ethier reminds him of Monday 30 years ago. The way he looks in his uniform and rounds the bases. Its hard to listen to. BTW, it took about 45 seconds for Seiner to call the HR.
2007-09-06 13:53:51
93.   Disabled List
80 We were overdue for some breaks.
2007-09-06 13:53:57
94.   Kevin Lewis
I just danced around my office
2007-09-06 13:54:01
95.   underdog
77 What'd I say? I just want to make sure I say it again, whatever it was. ;-)
2007-09-06 13:54:30
96.   bigcpa
I'll admit I had that "we deserve to lose" feeling in the 8th. Then when Loney beat out the squibber my fist involuntarily pumped. Watching Ethier grin rounding third made me feel like a jerk. We're gonna win 3 out of 4 and have a very likable team.
2007-09-06 13:54:33
97.   WillieD
Nice.... A little slow to get over here. Again, way to jinx the homer drought, Jon. :-)
2007-09-06 13:54:53
98.   bhsportsguy
I recall my good friend, Mr. Brock calling an Ethier shot and I am remissed that I didn't predict that myself for the happiest guy in Torrance.
2007-09-06 13:54:55
99.   underdog
I like the fan with the "Cubs fans don't boo" sign that was furled up in their lap just now.
2007-09-06 13:55:31
100.   bhsportsguy
87 That's the nature of the job.
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2007-09-06 13:55:40
101.   Fallout
Some managers might bunt in that situation and some managers might have PH for Lowe.
2007-09-06 13:55:40
102.   Gagne55
88 Bunting in that situation would be stupid. A force out at third base is way too easy. A hit is about as likely as a successful bunt with first and second no out. Tracy did like to bunt in that situation though for whatever reason and it drove me crazy.
2007-09-06 13:55:44
103.   Bluebleeder87
86

I swear you can hear a pin drop at Wrigley, except for some muttering splashes of booing.

2007-09-06 13:55:47
104.   Ken Noe
Every hit, every run, every rbi from the kids until Sweeney's. If LA holds on, this could sure be a memorable game in hindsight.
2007-09-06 13:55:48
105.   ToyCannon
I dare to say, that these are the times Jon loves his blog.
2007-09-06 13:55:50
106.   bearlurker
88 Yes, and that's a good reason to like Grady.
2007-09-06 13:56:08
107.   underdog
Now if Slappy hits one out, we'll know officially that the wind is gael force and blowing out.
2007-09-06 13:56:21
108.   bhsportsguy
71 I think his wife may have a say in that.
2007-09-06 13:56:29
109.   Ken Noe
103 Zambrano's warming up?
2007-09-06 13:56:31
110.   KG16
85 - I'm pretty sure every Dodger fan learned that rule in 1988. But yeah, it's what I love about baseball. No prevent defense, no taking a knee, no running out the clock. It truly ain't over 'til it's over.
2007-09-06 13:56:49
111.   blue22
87 - Grady gets lucky.

Hmm...it was his decision to not bunt there. If this was him getting lucky, he was just as unlucky in the 7th.

2007-09-06 13:57:10
112.   bearlurker
Giving a Pierre a day off has been suggested in numerous posts...how about giving Furcal a day off?
2007-09-06 13:57:13
113.   StolenMonkey86
havoc!
2007-09-06 13:57:23
114.   ToyCannon
I love having a co-worker who is just as big a Dodger fan as myself. I can never tell him about DT because then he'll know why I never get any work done.
2007-09-06 13:57:26
115.   Xeifrank
Brewers may be tied for first with the Cardinals only one game out... The Griddle will be having a field day. vr, Xei
2007-09-06 13:57:51
116.   underdog
Another run would make me feel even slap-happier.
2007-09-06 13:57:54
117.   Bluebleeder87
Roller coaster ride...
2007-09-06 13:58:16
118.   Xeifrank
Good thing Ethier didn't pinch hit for Lowe in the 7th inning. vr, Xei
2007-09-06 13:58:20
119.   Dark Horse
96-I think there's a little bit of Tony Jackson in all of us, this year. This team has an immensely promising & lovable face and an equally mediocre & despicable one. There appear to be a good many more wrinkles in the latter (which is also affixed to a very small head), but we might be forgiven our fickle moments.
2007-09-06 13:58:27
120.   underdog
I have the sound off - were they booing Dempster as he departed?
2007-09-06 13:58:31
121.   imperabo
Nice range.
2007-09-06 13:58:47
122.   trainwreck
120
Of course.
2007-09-06 13:58:47
123.   blue22
102 - It may be stupid, but a successful bunt gets the tying and winning runs in scoring position with just one out. I think most managers drop one down there.
2007-09-06 13:58:47
124.   ryu
92 Ethier's stance reminds me of Hollandsworth's.
2007-09-06 13:58:56
125.   Bob Timmermann
The last Dodger to hit a 3-run pinch-hit homer was Wilson Betemit on May 16 off of Kip Wells of the Cardinals.
2007-09-06 14:00:06
126.   Bluebleeder87
110

amen to that KG16

2007-09-06 14:00:11
127.   scooplew
Martin singled on a 1-2 count, Loney singled on an 0-2 count, Ethier homered on an 0-1 count and Sweeney singled on an 0-2 count. That is excellent hitting.
2007-09-06 14:00:14
128.   Xeifrank
win probability up to 3.5 trillion.
vr, Xei
2007-09-06 14:00:15
129.   Joshua Worley
To me the above quoted piece is one of the most memorable DT pieces I've ever read --- I think of the philosophy behind it every time this type of situation comes up. Is the one late inning from a tired starter worth the likely wasted crucial at bat? I agree that it's almost always best to go with the pinch hitter and relievers.

But why especially in September, Jon? I don't get that part.

Say, did someone hit a home run?

2007-09-06 14:00:46
130.   blue22
112 - With Abreu up, yes, I think Furcal should get more than just a token day off here and there. He is strugga-ling.
2007-09-06 14:00:56
131.   Bob Timmermann
Michael Wuertz is the opposition's victory cigar. The Cubs are 20-44 when he pitches.
2007-09-06 14:00:58
132.   underdog
Wow, the Cubs are really falling apart this inning. I love it, even if I almost feel sorry for them. Almost.
2007-09-06 14:01:34
133.   regfairfield
123 That's one of the few times bunting is a good idea.
2007-09-06 14:01:36
134.   underdog
125 Hopefully Ethier won't now be traded for a reliever.
2007-09-06 14:01:47
135.   Xeifrank
129. Because you have plenty of relief pitchers and pinch hitters to burn through. Though that can be counter argued that they are quantity not quality. vr, Xei
2007-09-06 14:01:48
136.   Gagne55
123 But how often is the bunt actually successful? I remember Tracy would ask guys like Antonio Perez bunt in that situation and they'd usually either foul pitches off and strike out or bunt into a force at third.
2007-09-06 14:01:48
137.   dzzrtRatt
I can't believe I got LAT'd and only found out about it after 113 posts!

I was wondering why the muted reaction to Andre's homer.

My post isn't worth reposting, though. I was just being crabby.

Seems like today's rule is: As soon as you slag somebody, they do something great. DT commenters scorn, God laughs.

2007-09-06 14:01:53
138.   Jon Weisman
83, 118 - I don't want to spoil anyone's good time, now of all times, but I can't help thinking you're being sarcastic at my expense. Am I wrong?

105 - The only thing I don't love right now is not getting to see that HR except on Gameday.

2007-09-06 14:02:26
139.   ToyCannon
98
Do you think his students have figured out yet why's he's dancing around the classroom and high fiving everyone who asks a question?
2007-09-06 14:02:34
140.   underdog
Kemp should put out a gone fishin' sign at the plate after that at bat. But it's okay, Bison, we still love ya.
2007-09-06 14:02:37
141.   LAT
Top two of the order has really contributed today. 1-9. We are winning in spite of these two.

(Not to mention Gonzo 0-4)

2007-09-06 14:02:38
142.   imperabo
Crappy atbat by Kemp.
2007-09-06 14:03:04
143.   Bob Timmermann
Boone Logan of the White Sox appeared in his 44th losing game of the year. So the Dodgers can put Wuertz back into the lead.

Two Cubs relievers have the most appearances in losing games in one season: Will Ohman last year and Dick Tidrow in 1980 appeared in 50 losses.

2007-09-06 14:03:09
144.   babber
I picked a GREAT day to telecommute!!!!
2007-09-06 14:03:17
145.   blue22
133 - I would be more apt to bunt in that situation if I was the home team. On the road, I go for maximum runs.
2007-09-06 14:03:18
146.   Sam DC
I haven;'t read all these comments but I came back from a meeting to find the gameday I had left open was us losing 4-2 to find this 7-4 game with Kemp homering and then Martin and Loney getting on base to be homered in by Ethier.

That is some hard core prospecty-porn.

WAHOOO!

2007-09-06 14:03:35
147.   Gagne55
Takashi Saito FTS!
2007-09-06 14:03:44
148.   Jon Weisman
129 - Starting pitchers are more tired generally by this point, and your bullpen is generally deeper. But I thought about taking the "especially in September" part out.
2007-09-06 14:04:14
149.   SgtWyatt
Here comes my ninja!
2007-09-06 14:04:32
150.   Benaiah
111 - He got unlucky in the 7th, but he put himself in that position. He made the right call in the 9th but it was a marginal move (Laroche and Ethier are approximately the same hitter) while not pinch hitting for Lowe was a huge swing. In other words, Grady took a huge risk in the 7th and lost, but a small move in the 9th completely saved his bacon.
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2007-09-06 14:04:42
151.   underdog
Now if Roberto Hernandez comes in this inning instead of Saito, that'll rain on everyone's parade, too.
2007-09-06 14:04:46
152.   Jon Weisman
137 - I put two NPUT messages in that thread, and still people missed them.
2007-09-06 14:04:53
153.   LAT
"That is some hard core prospecty-porn."

Ha ha. That's Best of DTII worthy.

2007-09-06 14:05:40
154.   underdog
Oops. Sammy wants a do-over after that pitch.
2007-09-06 14:05:53
155.   Bob Timmermann
I will thank my boss for rescheduling a meeting today from 2 to 2:30 today.
2007-09-06 14:06:40
156.   Exick
Irasshaimasen Takashi-san!
2007-09-06 14:07:01
157.   JoeyP
150--I'm surprised Ethier pinch hit for LaRoche. A higher percentage play (if you want the best hitters to bat), would have been Ethier to pinch hit for Abreu or Beimel.

It worked, but thats why there's luck in baseball. Bad decisions sometimes ultimately work out.

Its like throwing a pass into double coverage, having it bounce off the defenders and into the WR's hand for a TD.

2007-09-06 14:07:05
158.   Xeifrank
138. I don't agree that Grady Little should be criticized so heavily for not pinch hitting for Lowe. I also, don't think it's a big deal for fans to boo, even if it's against their own team/players/front office etc... If it came across as sarcasm that can be misinterpreted negatively, then I apologize. It wasn't pointed at any one person, just a general comment(s).
vr, Xei
2007-09-06 14:07:52
159.   scooplew
143 You're remarkable!
2007-09-06 14:08:32
160.   Bluebleeder87
man, Saito's fastball is topping out at 96mph & his CURVE is bitting really good.
2007-09-06 14:08:35
161.   underdog
{in Edward G Robinson voice} "Where's your Messiah now, Soriano? Nyaah!"

--
I like your BigBlueFont attack above Jon. :)

2007-09-06 14:08:45
162.   Jon Weisman
158 - It just seems like you've made the booing point more than once this week, and I didn't know why you kept making it. But thanks for explaining.
2007-09-06 14:08:57
163.   Xeifrank
"Biggest win of the year." - C.S.
vr, Xei
2007-09-06 14:09:00
164.   SgtWyatt
SAITO ROCKS! Too bad he won't be around very long :(
2007-09-06 14:09:24
165.   Gagne55
GAME!!!
2007-09-06 14:09:25
166.   imperabo
Never a doubt.
2007-09-06 14:09:26
167.   dzzrtRatt
"The Dodgers win a big one."

Indeed.

2007-09-06 14:09:40
168.   underdog
I was reading lips there and it really did look like Martin was speaking Japanese to Saito-san. Cool.
2007-09-06 14:09:48
169.   Curtis Lowe
Yippppeee!
2007-09-06 14:10:05
170.   ssjames
As I was going to get my lunch today I was listening to the game on the radio and heard Broxton give up the homer. I got annoyed and then decided that well we have had a great season, and this loss would really knock us all but out of the playoffs. And I was just glad that the kids got their time in. As of now, I am euphoric and really would love nothing better than seeing a post-season game this year with this starting lineup:

Furcal, SS
Martin, C
Kemp, CF
Kent, 2B
Ethier, RF
LaRoche, 3B
Loney, 1B
Young, LF
Billingsley, P

I know it would never happen, but that would just make my year. Almost as much as if we won the world series.

2007-09-06 14:10:06
171.   ToyCannon
152
This moment was so great that it required two threads.

Any bets on how often "momentum" will be used on Baseball Tonight?

2007-09-06 14:10:25
172.   underdog
Can I go get lunch now?
2007-09-06 14:10:29
173.   ssjames
As I was going to get my lunch today I was listening to the game on the radio and heard Broxton give up the homer. I got annoyed and then decided that well we have had a great season, and this loss would really knock us all but out of the playoffs. And I was just glad that the kids got their time in. As of now, I am euphoric and really would love nothing better than seeing a post-season game this year with this starting lineup:

Furcal, SS
Martin, C
Kemp, CF
Kent, 2B
Ethier, RF
LaRoche, 3B
Loney, 1B
Young, LF
Billingsley, P

I know it would never happen, but that would just make my year. Almost as much as if we won the world series.

2007-09-06 14:10:52
174.   Ken Noe
Now I want to dress up as a samurai. Wow.

Big game, needed game, game the kids won, happy happy, joy joy.

2007-09-06 14:11:24
175.   bhsportsguy
For GB - We win.

Furture Box Scores

(HR) - Loney, Kemp, Ethier.

Sweet. Just add Andy LaRoche and we will be in business.

2007-09-06 14:11:30
176.   blue22
173 - Is Delwyn on the roster right now?
2007-09-06 14:11:46
177.   LAT
This just in: Andre Ethier elected Honorary Mayor of Milwaukee!
2007-09-06 14:11:50
178.   Jon Weisman
Fortunately, I ate early today.
2007-09-06 14:11:51
179.   Xeifrank
162. Ok, I will keep to once per week. :)
vr, Xei
2007-09-06 14:12:26
180.   underdog
Btw, I agree with whoever said above that Furcal could use a day off. We have Abreu and Hu now - why not?

--

170 - Reminds me of how Steve Phillips astonished me last night by being astute enough to say that the Dodgers had called up more players than most teams because they have more good players to call up, and that those young players are better than the veterans they had on their bench! I no longer mock Steve Phillips.

2007-09-06 14:12:39
181.   ToyCannon
Would we be less happy if the home runs had come from Gonzo, Shea, and Pierre? Yes, and with good reason.
2007-09-06 14:12:40
182.   Benaiah
Has anyone in MLB history with a minimum of 130 innings pitched had a career ERA lower than Saito's 1.74?
2007-09-06 14:12:51
183.   trainwreck
172
No lunch for you!
2007-09-06 14:13:22
184.   underdog
176 Yes.

Okay, I'm going to eat a happy meal (but not a Happy Meal ™.)

2007-09-06 14:13:29
185.   JoeyP
With the Cubs loss, there are now 3 NL Central teams with 68 losses.

Ankiel's a beast.

2007-09-06 14:13:30
186.   Kevin Lewis
164

Are you trying to make me cry?

2007-09-06 14:13:31
187.   Bob Timmermann
Dead even tie in the NL Central and typographical challenge for the Griddle's NL Conference standings.
2007-09-06 14:13:33
188.   Fallout
157 JoeyP
I think that you have been eating some of 150 Benaiah's beacon.
2007-09-06 14:14:03
189.   hernari
157

I believe Grady was going for the lefty-righty matchup when he hit for LaRoche. So it wasn't all luck.

2007-09-06 14:14:20
190.   LogikReader
Man those mlb.com highlights can't come fast enough!

Oh dang, it will probably be the Cubs broadcasters on those highlights.

2007-09-06 14:14:31
191.   bhsportsguy
175 BTW, Greg Brock isn't gone, he's just not available for these games.
2007-09-06 14:15:37
192.   JoeyP
188- No, its total independent thought. Trust me, this game wasnt anything new to Dodger fans that followed the team game by game when Tracy managed. He pulled the exact same stuff.

The only good thing about Little is he's not a bunter.

2007-09-06 14:17:11
193.   Joshua Worley
181

I would be in shock if a home run came from Pierre!

2007-09-06 14:17:13
194.   natepurcell
so i yelled when ethier hit that homerun.

im in the back of my operations lecture class.

2007-09-06 14:17:29
195.   ToyCannon
Don't dwell in the past, the future is calling.
2007-09-06 14:17:29
196.   Andrew Shimmin
188- Banaiah's love is the beacon that lights up his way. Because with him, he knows, a lifetime could be just one heavenly place.
2007-09-06 14:17:34
197.   Disabled List
That was one of the best games of the year. I was really preparing myself for a disappointing split. Now I'm thrilled with a very satisfying series win.

Let's see how far Big Mo' can take us!

2007-09-06 14:18:19
198.   ssjames
192 Not being a bunter is a pretty big deal, considering how wasteful it is of outs. I am glad we have Grady and not Jim, although I don't believe there is that much difference. I actually don't believe any manager is worth more than 5 wins in any given year over the average manager.
2007-09-06 14:19:03
199.   ToyCannon
194
I expect that many of us raised a head or two today with our outburst. Keeping that stuff bottled up is what will kill you.
2007-09-06 14:19:37
200.   Jon Weisman
194 - Any consequences?
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2007-09-06 14:19:37
201.   dzzrtRatt
152 Jon, nothing you did was remiss. It was my inattention. During day games, I'm tuning in and out based on phone calls, focusing on "work," etc. I saw Loney's HR while talking to a business colleague and had to suppress an outburst. Then my wife was remonstrating me for something or another when Ethier was batting, but luckily I agreed completely with her and promised never to do it again just in time to see the home run.
2007-09-06 14:19:38
202.   bhsportsguy
199 I did a fist pump aka Gibby.
2007-09-06 14:21:22
203.   JoeyP
198--Grady's better than Tracy, but not by much. The bunting this is important. Little also tends to not use his loogies so much as Tracy did.

The thing that hurt each of them is putting out machines at the top of the lineup, and not playing the best players all the time.

2007-09-06 14:22:00
204.   LAT
Of course I would like to see SD lose every remaining game but I am really focusing on Ariz. They are more catchable.

1. We play AZ 6 more time, SD only 3;
2. AZ has a harder remaining schedule than SD;
3. AZ has cooled off since their hot streak;
4. We play Ariz better than SD.

2007-09-06 14:22:01
205.   bearlurker
Dare I say it, Saito for Cy Young? Relievers have a high hurdle to merit consideration but I think Saito clears it.
2007-09-06 14:22:07
206.   Jonny6
The post-game Pinella interview should be entertaining today. I'm sure I would be a better person if I focused solely on the positive, but I can't help myself - I like to watch certain opposing managers go ballistic and Pinella is one of the best, especially when it comes to late-inning leads blown by crappy relievers.
2007-09-06 14:23:13
207.   trainwreck
I nominate Ethier's homerun for moment of the year.
2007-09-06 14:23:14
208.   King of the Hobos
182 Papelbon
2007-09-06 14:23:16
209.   ToyCannon
Celebration is a key component of loving sports.
2007-09-06 14:23:56
210.   bhsportsguy
Replays on Prime Ticket
7:00 - 10:00
11:00 - 1:00
2007-09-06 14:24:25
211.   scareduck
182 - apparently not, even including the pre-1900 era. Wow.
2007-09-06 14:24:45
212.   capdodger
201 Now if you could just remember what is was you promised not to do. That's the tricky part, I've found.
2007-09-06 14:25:33
213.   scareduck
208 - I didn't pick him up because his current year's exploits aren't in the Lahman database. That's impressive.
2007-09-06 14:25:43
214.   Bluebleeder87
Have you guys seen the new e-buy commercial???
2007-09-06 14:25:44
215.   Benaiah
198 - 5 Wins is a huge, huge amount. Especially on a good team. The difference between an 88 win team and a 93 win team is worth 10-20 million dollars probably. I don't think managers have that much effect, but a very good manager can definitely add 2-3 wins over the course of the year (net wins, since some moves will not work out).
2007-09-06 14:25:55
216.   bigcpa
This game reminds me so much of the Sept 15-16 trip to Wrigley where Tomko gave up the 3-run GW HR to Aramis and we lost 2 of 3. I was at that miserable game. That appeared to be the deathblow to the season before we rattled off the 9-1 finish.
2007-09-06 14:26:04
217.   Gen3Blue
As has been mentioned, the people who won this game, esp. Loney,Kemp, Ethier and Martin are also those who are important for the long haul. This is a wonderful confluence.

The way Saito is pitching, it is a given that he will be effective at age 38 next year. It would be worth giving him 2 years in light of the money I have seen us throw at old pitchers of much less worth.

2007-09-06 14:26:15
218.   ToyCannon
204
I'm still hoping we win the Division and Arizona wins the wildcard. I'm in the minority, it would appear that the Phillies are the team of choice for most of you. Why we want someone East of the Missisippi instead of our Western brethren is beyond me.
2007-09-06 14:26:23
219.   LAT
Instead of arguning with my wife, next time I am going to tell her "Stop remonstrating me!"
2007-09-06 14:26:36
220.   Curtis Lowe
I did an Uh Uh pump and knoed over my chair.
2007-09-06 14:26:37
221.   scareduck
206 - who put him in there as closer-designate? With a better option still available in the bullpen, Piniella got what he deserved.
2007-09-06 14:27:28
222.   dzzrtRatt
Here in LA, they're playing a Charley Steiner interview with Jeff Kent. Steiner's glasses are crooked, which is not a good look on a pumpkin head like his. (Speaking as one myself.)

Kent is not in his "I hate baseball" mode in this interview. It's more like, "It drives me crazy, so I have to get away from it."

They just showed a picture of Kent in his Cal Bears uniform...is he the most famous Cal Bear in the majors?

I'm one who believes Kent was DePo's most unambiguously great move. I can go along with the slagging of PVLs, so long as Kent is excepted. He's a superb Dodger.

2007-09-06 14:27:33
223.   LAT
207. Its no 4+1 but I'll vote for it.
2007-09-06 14:28:11
224.   Gen3Blue
Lions and Bisons and Bears Oh my!
Thats where I've seen that.
2007-09-06 14:28:37
225.   Fallout
192 JoeyP
No, its total independent thought. Trust me...
I beleive that. It's just that you both have stated similiar views in different yet similiar ways.
2007-09-06 14:28:52
226.   ToyCannon
222
I guess if you like HOF's he's okay. Jay Jaffe be dammed.
2007-09-06 14:28:56
227.   bhsportsguy
For those of us in the Bay area:
I would expect to see some happy youngsters in the City around 8:00 p.m., they should also be roaming around Saturday night since they play a day game.

Fortunately, no Tomko sightings this weekend.

2007-09-06 14:29:19
228.   Benaiah
213 - So it is just Papelbon and Saito though. Papelbon is a good bit ahead in both innings and ERA though. Saito is ahead of him this year though (in both categories).
2007-09-06 14:30:32
229.   bhsportsguy
227 I will not be there. I was using the royal "us" as I sit in Southern California.
2007-09-06 14:31:13
230.   Bluebleeder87
Saito has 37 saves, he's got a pretty good chance of saving 45+ right, woah.
2007-09-06 14:32:13
231.   ToyCannon
221
I love managers who leave the better option in the bullpen when it isn't ours.

I'm not a gloater but 381 from the previous thread proves that everyone can be right if they make enough predictions.

2007-09-06 14:33:17
232.   regfairfield
222 Jeff Kent was the only player that I was so overjoyed to get that I had to call my buddy and celebrate.
2007-09-06 14:33:42
233.   Jon Weisman
I had forgotten this crazy Dodgers-Cubs game from way back in ... 2007.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=270525119

2007-09-06 14:34:28
234.   trainwreck
Why would anyone not from Philly, root for any team from Philadelphia?
2007-09-06 14:34:34
235.   bhsportsguy
231 You are the man.
2007-09-06 14:35:45
236.   WillieD
202 Me too, quietly yet vigorously pumped my arm when Either hit that HR. Just before I realized I ought to be over here in Jon's new thread.

Isn't it fun sometimes, when suddenly, you're smiling, in a good mood, and many people may have no idea why?

2007-09-06 14:37:40
237.   gibsonhobbs88
Great win! As the Who once sang "The Kids are Alright!! I'm so happy they were able to overcome Grady's butchering of the 7th inning. The Kids can hit, run and field and other than Kent and Furcal and the man on the bump, we don't really need to see the vets out there clogging up the good Karma flow from the kids. Furcal can use a day off here and there also, I do agree. Unfortunately, they will continue to send Pierre and Ethier will continue to share left field time with Lugo. The team of the future has arrived in the present, Let 'em play!!!
2007-09-06 14:38:10
238.   LAT
233. Yes that was a long time ago as evidenced by this comment

"• Unsung heroes: Olmedo Saenz, Rafael Furcal, Luis Gonzalez and Brady Clark."

Its been a long time since that group and "hero" were used in the same sentence.

2007-09-06 14:38:42
239.   trainwreck
231
That is why I called you Nostradamus.
2007-09-06 14:39:12
240.   Woody
Had appointments all afternoon, and then had to go to the dentist. Got back to see Broxton come in to give up the 3 run homer. Felt bad for him, but he's a baby. Turned it off immediately.

Went to do the dishes. Came back to see the Dodgers with 2 men on and Ethier at bat in the 9th, and my Mlb.com crashed for a change. Only got to see the replay of the home run.

But who care? We won, we won! And we're back to fight another day. I think a loss today would have been pretty close to circling the drain.

2007-09-06 14:39:21
241.   natepurcell
200

just a few turned heads. the cubs fan next to me and the padres fan behind me were quite loud. although they were probably displaying a different emotion then me.

2007-09-06 14:39:46
242.   Bluebleeder87
I really hope Saito gets his fair share of votes for the Cy Young voting.
2007-09-06 14:41:05
243.   dzzrtRatt
233 Another one of Jonathan Broxton's rare bad games. I guess if he lets the opposing team get the lead, we shouldn't worry, we'll get it back.
2007-09-06 14:41:30
244.   bhsportsguy
241 And when Jonathan gave up the gopher ball, the roles were reveresed.
2007-09-06 14:42:11
245.   Penarol1916
234. Why would anyone root for a team from Phoenix?
2007-09-06 14:42:34
246.   blue22
234 - How can you not root for Chase Utley, Ryan Howard, Shane Victorino, Jayson Werth, Cole Hamels and Jimmy Rollins?

Independent of the race for the Wild Card, I like that team a lot.

2007-09-06 14:43:27
247.   blue22
242 - Peavy better stink it up like yesterday a few more times. He's got a stranglehold on the award right now.
2007-09-06 14:45:43
248.   FirstMohican
Has anyone given Ankiel the nickname The Natural yet?
2007-09-06 14:46:46
249.   Bluebleeder87
243

It was only the 2nd four bagger Broxton has givin up.

2007-09-06 14:47:25
250.   trainwreck
246
Have you ever talked to Philly fans? Sole reason not to like any Philly team.
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2007-09-06 14:47:51
251.   JT Dutch
"Loney, Kemp and Ethier homer. Oh my."

... I think this statement needs to be blown-up to poster size and sent directly to Neddy Collettle.

2007-09-06 14:48:30
252.   fanerman
Just got back from a little field trip. Great win.

And that's why Matt Kemp and Andre Ethier should play every day.

2007-09-06 14:48:34
253.   Bluebleeder87
247

true, & to be really fair he's gonna probably win it.

2007-09-06 14:49:31
254.   ToyCannon
Baseball in 2007 has so many great stories going on.
Josh Hamilton
Rick Ankiel
Braun
Hunter Pence
Some guy in SF
Arod
Carlos Pena
Saito
Papelbon
2007-09-06 14:49:53
255.   blue22
250 - No I haven't (with the exception of das411 here). Probably because they are so localized to Philly. They don't travel well, I guess.
2007-09-06 14:51:00
256.   Gen3Blue
re 219 LAT is making a stand. But unfortunately we may not here from him for a while.
2007-09-06 14:52:15
257.   Bluebleeder87
it's pretty ironic, yesterday ToyCannon had a mini-survey of what was our favorite moment of '07 I typed in Russell Martins GS, but I must say it has to be Andre Ethiers clutch 3 run dinger NOW.
2007-09-06 14:52:21
258.   trainwreck
255
I just know them from various sports board.

Personally, I just root for the Dodgers and root against teams I hate.

2007-09-06 14:53:47
259.   trainwreck
Plus, Philly does dumb things like make Myers closer, which just annoys me.
2007-09-06 14:55:38
260.   ToyCannon
259
As opposed to batting Gonzo 4th?
2007-09-06 14:56:40
261.   trainwreck
260
Well I am stuck liking us. No matter what dumb stuff we do.
2007-09-06 14:57:13
262.   bearlurker
Myers appears to be one of the least redeeming players in the big leagues.

Also, I didn't like how Manuel berated that reporter. We're not talking about a Lasorda temper tantrum here.

So there are couple of good reasons to root against the Phils.

2007-09-06 14:57:54
263.   blue22
But you cannot deny the greatness that is Chase Utley. He's become my favorite non-Dodger.
2007-09-06 14:59:29
264.   trainwreck
263
And he is a Bruin! I love Utley.
2007-09-06 15:01:03
265.   Gen3Blue
261's comment often sums it up. At this point the freshness of our talent threatens to overwhelm any boneheaded moves we make. This is a rare situation and one we should all enjoy it for all it is worth.
2007-09-06 15:02:27
266.   bhsportsguy
264 Norvell, Everett, Abraham, Harwell and Horton at the breakfast tomorrow, any questions.
2007-09-06 15:02:33
267.   ToyCannon
Doesn't this make you cry?

Drafted - Selected by Los Angeles Dodgers in 2nd Round (76th overall) of 1997 amateur entry draft (June-Reg) ... Selected by Philadelphia Phillies in 1st Round (15th overall) of 2000 amateur entry draft (June-Reg) Jul 29,2000 - signed

2007-09-06 15:03:15
268.   bhsportsguy
Today's win will make the rest of today, tonight and tomorrow go much better.
2007-09-06 15:04:33
269.   ToyCannon
We will sweep the Giants

By next Monday the BP playoff calculater will be broken.

2007-09-06 15:04:46
270.   blue22
267 - What coulda been...
2007-09-06 15:05:09
271.   underdog
227 "Fortunately, no Tomko sightings this weekend."
Funny, because last time the Dodgers were here (in SF) my coworker almost literally ran into Tomko and his wife shopping downtown.

I wonder if they're staying at the Hotel Nikko again. {stalk}

2007-09-06 15:05:20
272.   ToyCannon
265
Spot on
2007-09-06 15:05:27
273.   bhsportsguy
Ankiel has 2 HRs and a double and 7 RBI thus far.
2007-09-06 15:06:20
274.   bhsportsguy
271 That's what I remembered. They probably are staying at the same hotel.
2007-09-06 15:06:39
275.   Jon Weisman
So Ethier homers, and what's the Dodgers' NL West deficit?

3.5

2007-09-06 15:07:50
276.   trainwreck
266
I am interested to know how much playing time they expect to give Rashaan.

I wish Olson was there so we could find out what he thinks about being called Benedict Olson.

Thanks.

2007-09-06 15:07:59
277.   underdog
Was asked on ESPN last night: Should Ankiel be considered for comeback player of the year, despite only playing for a month+? I say yes.
2007-09-06 15:09:41
278.   LogikReader
Here they are!

Highlights of todays game, on MLB.com:

http://mlb.mlb.com/mediacenter/index.jsp#20070906

Enjoy everyone

[click on the "Top Plays" link in the corresponding column for the LAD/CHC game]

2007-09-06 15:14:01
279.   trainwreck
277
And I agree with Steve Phillips (can't believe I just typed that), that Carlos Pena has to win the award.
2007-09-06 15:14:09
280.   imperabo
Ankiel. . . what an amazing athlete. He also hit 32 homers in the minors this year before he got called up, which still has him tied for 4th in the entire minor leagues even though everone else has more atbats.
2007-09-06 15:14:39
281.   ryu
278 Awesome! Thanks for the link.
2007-09-06 15:15:09
282.   underdog
279 I know, I agreed with him once last night, too(!) Isn't there a different award for NL and AL players, or just one?
2007-09-06 15:17:34
283.   bhsportsguy
What's more fun than watching highlights, listening to Ron Santo have a fit in the 9th inning.
2007-09-06 15:18:39
284.   Jon Weisman
278 - Wow, even for an opposing announcer, that was a feeble home run call on Ethier.

Didn't realize he went opposite field on that.

2007-09-06 15:19:47
285.   overkill94
252 "And that's why Matt Kemp and Andre Ethier should play every day."

Reminds me of the one-armed guy from Arrested Development that's always teaching the kids lessons. What was his name?

2007-09-06 15:21:34
286.   Jon Weisman
Just listened to the calls on Soriano's homers. Such homers on the broadcast team.
2007-09-06 15:22:25
287.   imperabo
I'm delighted with the win, but I can't really heap praise on Ethier. That ball doesn't reach the warning track in any other park. Or maybe he saw the wind and tried to go op field, in which case he's awesome.
2007-09-06 15:22:35
288.   bhsportsguy
284 A little better call on their radio broadcast, Santo added a "that the ball was really helped by the wind" comment.

Santo was really down. Then he added this little diddy.

"Lower part of their order."

2007-09-06 15:22:52
289.   trainwreck
285
J Walter Weatherman
2007-09-06 15:25:50
290.   Curtis Lowe
Kemps homer was a Bomb. Ethier's was beautiful and graceful in it's simplicity.
2007-09-06 15:27:07
291.   ToyCannon
278
Thanks for link

284
He sure seemed excited when Soriano hit his jacks.

That is now two lead off home runs for Soriano and two losses in 4 games.

2007-09-06 15:30:08
292.   underdog
Rewatching the highlights, I didn't realize 'til now that a Cubs fan tossed back Kemp's home run onto the field. Hah hah.
2007-09-06 15:30:17
293.   Jon Weisman
287 - Same wind was available for all the hitters, I presume.
2007-09-06 15:31:27
294.   Summer Saint
286 I was just thinking that as I was watching all the home runs. When Loney and Kemp hit theirs, the announcer sounded like he really couldn't care less, whereas with Soriano's jacks he injected a ton of enthusiasm into his calls. Especially when he shouted "GONE!" after Soriano's second four bagger.

At least on Ethier's home run he was forced into sounding dejected and somewhat confused, as he tried to figure out what the new score was.

2007-09-06 15:34:48
295.   underdog
Enjoy(?) reading these comments on one of the more popular Cubs' blog:
http://mvn.com/mlb-cubs/?comments_popup=1119
2007-09-06 15:35:18
296.   Gen3Blue
267 I was out on an automotive rescue mission so I may have missed something-- whoo do these draft notes apply to.
2007-09-06 15:40:41
297.   bhsportsguy
Well flying into San Francisco in these costumes will be interesting as Diamond Leung writes in his blog that the rookies and second year guys are not wearing their street clothes on the plane.

Costumes include:

Chad Billingsley - Robin Hood
Jonathan Broxton - monk
Eric Hull - devilette
Jonathan Meloan - something Tarzan-like
Takashi Saito - Samurai
Eric Stults - pirate
Russell Martin - Nacho Libre
Tony Abreu - Native American
Chin-lung Hu - Prince of Persia?
Andy LaRoche - clown
James Loney - Popeye
Delwyn Young - Snow White
Andre Ethier - pink disco-wear
Matt Kemp - Let's just say his pecs and gluts were overly accentuated.

2007-09-06 15:40:54
298.   GMac In The 909
57 How about this one: "Filling Out the Dodgers Lineup for Dummies"?
Chapter 1, Page 1, Paragraph 1: Always include Martin, Loney, Kemp and Ethier.
2007-09-06 15:41:51
299.   underdog
297 ??? Is that some kind of hazing ritual?
2007-09-06 15:41:59
300.   imperabo
293 Yeah. I'm not saying it was an unfair advantage or we should give it back, I'm saying that it was mostly luck and provides little evidence of Ethier's worth. Unless he intentionally went op field.
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2007-09-06 15:42:09
301.   underdog
(Or just a weird group fetish. ;-) )
2007-09-06 15:43:11
302.   Bluebleeder87
287

I heard the interview with A. Martinez, Ethier thought the ball was gonna be a gap shot so he just kept on running but he said he heard Duncan yelling like a MAD MAN so he looked at the ump & the umpire had his arm out signaling that it was a four bagger.

ps It was just freaking AWESOME!

2007-09-06 15:43:12
303.   underdog
300 I don't get it - is Ethier's worth being questioned anyway? If nothing else, that would have been a deep fly ball that sacrificed the runners over. I also didn't know that his value was in question.
2007-09-06 15:44:47
304.   trainwreck
297
Sucks to be Delwyn Young.
2007-09-06 15:45:17
305.   bhsportsguy
299 Yeah, but I don't think they did it last year.

My question is, what player in the Dodger system is the most likely to be next?

James McDonald?

2007-09-06 15:46:48
306.   bhsportsguy
BTW - We have the optimistic Tony Jackson again.
2007-09-06 15:47:49
307.   blue22
296 - Chase Utley. LA drafted him out of HS in the 2nd round, but he went to UCLA instead (after which Philly obviously drafted him). I don't know any more about what happened than that though.
2007-09-06 15:48:10
308.   Bluebleeder87
Rewatching the highlights, I didn't realize 'til now that a Cubs fan tossed back Kemp's home run onto the field. Hah hah.

I was so excited about Kemps dinger that I didn't realized it was an absolute laser bomb.

2007-09-06 15:49:37
309.   GMac In The 909
306 I'm only a fan of the sleeping Tony Jackson.
2007-09-06 15:50:20
310.   trainwreck
Saito's is lucky that the Dodgers think in stereotypes, because he probably has the best one.
2007-09-06 15:50:22
311.   underdog
Poor Eric Hull. First he gets almost zero chance to prove himself this year. And then he has to wear a devilette costume like some weird burlesque freak.
2007-09-06 15:50:42
312.   imperabo
303 I was mostly responding to the "that's why Ethier should play everyday comment". Honestly I don't think that would have even been a deep fly ball, and I don't think it would have advanced anything. It was a midfield popup that got caught in the jetstream. In any other ballpark it's just a failed atbat. Yes, Ethier should play everyday, but that atbat doesn't support the notion.

Now I seem all negative because I'm defending a perfectly reasonable comment against strawman criticism.

2007-09-06 15:50:58
313.   fanerman
I wonder how paranoidandroid would react if he saw Matt Kemp "in costume."
2007-09-06 15:51:10
314.   blue22
Yeah Kemp can certainly hit em.

Keith Law predicts that Kemp could eventually be a .330/.390/.600 player.

That .330/.390 part looks a little heavy, but he's got all-world talent.

2007-09-06 15:52:48
315.   GMac In The 909
312 Someone should've told Gonzo about the jetstream.
2007-09-06 15:54:08
316.   bhsportsguy
Andre Ethier pinch hit for Andy LaRoche on May 27th against the Cubs with the Dodgers down by a run.

He homered.

Today, Andre Ethier pinch hits again for Andy LaRoche with the Dodgers down by a run.

He hits his second pinch-hit home run.

2007-09-06 15:56:21
317.   underdog
312 Ah, no, that's okay, at least now I understand what you meant. I was legitimately unsure. I do think it's fair to say that wouldn't have been a homer without the wind aiding it, but Ethier did look to be going the other way on purpose and I don't think it's fair to say that would've just been a pop up. But I get your point. Kemp and Loney's dingers were more clearly smashed, that's for sure. I'll take all three. :-)
2007-09-06 15:56:34
318.   Jon Weisman
312 - It wasn't clear in [287[ you were responding to that specific a comment. And so my reaction was to your comment is, the guy came up cold in a huge-pressure situation, and drove the ball instead of striking out, popping out or hitting a weak grounder. Regardless of whether the wind helped, it was hard to see how that wasn't worthy of praise. And even in your context, I'm willing to use Ethier's at-bat as more evidence that he's one of the three best OFs on the team.
2007-09-06 15:56:51
319.   Jacob L
Current Cubbie announcers are following in the proud tradition of Harry Caray. I believe one of his famous calls was for an opposing game-winning (or game losing for the Cubs) homer was,

"There's a drive. Oh, fer chissakes."

2007-09-06 16:00:17
320.   imperabo
Ah well. It was a "blast" any way you look at it. Great game.
2007-09-06 16:01:26
321.   Bluebleeder87
DodgerDugOut Dot Com had a really really nice peace on Andre Ethier a while back (I was looking for it but couldn't find it) it basically said that Andre Ethier flies under the radar of many teams & he makes them PAY DEARLY for that reason.
2007-09-06 16:06:51
322.   jasonungar07
This year, the kids should haze the veterans and make them dress up....let's imagine that list...I'll start by imagining the following 5 dressed up as "supertroopers"

For photo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:2002_super_troopers_0001.jpg

Thorny- Lucille
Rabbit- Kent
Mac - Nomar
Foster- Sweeney
Farva - Wells

2007-09-06 16:13:48
323.   underdog
322 Hah hah. Too true. Or as the cast of Reno 911.
2007-09-06 16:16:20
324.   Bluebleeder87
322

that idea is priceless, & very true.

2007-09-06 16:24:36
325.   GMac In The 909
322 Kent hasn't shaved for two weeks.
2007-09-06 16:26:45
326.   jasonungar07
We could do a gangster theme...We could roll with Carlitos way for example.

Loaiza as Carlito (Pacino with dos eqis beard)
Furcal as Benny Blanco (John Leguizamo)
Lowe as Kleinfeld the lawyer (Sean Penn)
Olmedo as Pachanga (Luis Guzman)

2007-09-06 16:28:14
327.   natepurcell
someone needs to be Jesus from the big lebowski.
2007-09-06 16:29:21
328.   Indiana Jon
322 And throw in the Village People

Indian - Loaiza
Construction Worker - Pierre
Cop - LuGo
Biker - Lurch

2007-09-06 16:35:49
329.   overkill94
Those costumes could save one of those youngsters' life. Anybody remember the story about a guy who had to dress up in drag and got shot in the leg while on the team bus? His go-go boots were so thick that I don't think the bullet even reached his leg.
2007-09-06 16:49:37
330.   underdog
327 No one {messe}s with the Jesus.
2007-09-06 16:52:54
331.   jasonungar07
The Dude abides..
2007-09-06 16:54:06
332.   Ladderkite
319 - If that call can be found, I want to hear it!
2007-09-06 17:07:18
333.   Bluebleeder87
I think Fargo was WAY better then The Big Labowski [runs!]
2007-09-06 17:08:02
334.   LAT
328. There is only one cop on this team and it ain't LuGo. If Jeff Kent was not born to be a state trooper I don't know who is. He's got the attitude. He's got the moustache and I bet he even has the uniform stashed for those special role-palying nights with Mrs. Kent.
2007-09-06 17:11:54
335.   Curtis Lowe
333 - I like fried rice better than chow mein.
2007-09-06 17:16:58
336.   Jim Hitchcock
278
Thanks for the highlights, LR...Watching on GameDay just didn't quite inspire the same feeling.
2007-09-06 17:19:40
337.   Jon Weisman
333 - Right with you, Bluebleeder. But I need to see Big L. again.
2007-09-06 17:24:35
338.   trainwreck
Soon Drew Brees and Devery Henderson will help start my dominance in the DT Fantasy Football League.
2007-09-06 17:25:24
339.   underdog
Fargo's a better film, and yet Lebowski is the one I'd rather watch repeatedly. Probably because it improves on repeat viewings and also because Fargo is rather dark, disturbing at times.
2007-09-06 17:25:59
340.   Bluebleeder87
You guys notice that our young studs are the once keeping the Dodger boat a float? with Chad Billingsleys money performance against the Pads a few days ago & then today, I really like this trend & I hope upper management goes with the youth in '08 I really hope Ned doesn't tinker with the roster all that much in 2008.
2007-09-06 17:26:20
341.   underdog
338 Brees beats my Kitna-Alex Smith combo, that's for sure, but we'll see!
2007-09-06 17:26:55
342.   natepurcell
I dont think this has been mentioned but maybe the dodgers are keeping Gonzo's impending free agency in the back of their mind when it comes to playing time.

in the free agent compensation formula, playing time is heavily weighted and maybe the dodgers want to assure themselves that gonzo will become a type A free agent. Off the top of my head, he looks to be the only dodger that has a good chance of doing so.

2007-09-06 17:26:59
343.   underdog
340 Why no, none of us here have noticed that. ;-P (just teasing you)
2007-09-06 17:27:51
344.   Benaiah
337 - Its not even close in my mind. The Big L is something well beyond special, it is the funniest movie I have ever seen- the absolute perfection of quotability and atmosphere. Meanwhile, Fargo, as wonderful as it is, gets far too much mileage out of those wacky accents.
2007-09-06 17:30:23
345.   trainwreck
I like both films and while The Big Lebowski may not be the Cohens best film, it is the most entertaining movie I ever seen. Therefore, it is my favorite film of all time. Not like it is a badly made film, either.
2007-09-06 17:36:42
346.   Benaiah
I don't understand why people get down on TBL as though it is this mediocre film that just happens to be funny. It is complex, beautiful to look at, the acting is astounding and while it doesn't go for a huge amount of thematic complexity, there are some amazing story telling techniques (the mirror story between Donny and the audience, the narrator who interacts with the characters without participating in the action). It is really a perfect film within its goals and aspirations.
2007-09-06 17:37:41
347.   King of the Hobos
342 I know Gonzo complains about playing time, but would he reject arbitration to get a smaller deal? Would someone actually sign him if they had to give up a draft pick (assuming Littlefield is fired and Ed Wade isn't named the GM of the Astros)?
2007-09-06 17:38:11
348.   trainwreck
346
Yep.
2007-09-06 17:41:05
349.   trainwreck
First play and Addai is already hurt.
2007-09-06 17:42:29
350.   natepurcell
347

it seems pride is a big issue for him and yes, brian sabean still has a job.

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2007-09-06 17:55:55
351.   Jon Weisman
346 - Like I said, I need to see it again. Hudsucker Proxy grows on me with every viewing, and I've seen that around 10 times. But TBL left me totally flat when I saw it in the theater - I didn't even think it was that funny.

On the other hand, Fargo and Raising Arizona, for example, absolutely knocked me out when I first saw them. There's no way I could ever possibly like TBL more than Raising Arizona, Fargo or Hudsucker Proxy - that much I can say for sure.

Crediting a large part of Fargo's success to the "wacky accents" is every bit as wrongly dismissive as what you seem to be hearing about TBL. "Complex, beautiful to look at, the acting is astounding and ... amazing story telling techniques" is a description that absolutely applies to Fargo, Hudsucker and, unless you hate the desert, Raising Arizona.

2007-09-06 17:59:06
352.   Eric Enders
I love both Fargo and The Big Lebowski, but was disappointed enough in Raising Arizona that I actually turned it off halfway through. Maybe I should give it another shot.

I would trade Jon "Raising Arizona" for the "Before Sunrise" movies any day, and I'd even send cash to offset Cage and Hunter's salaries.

2007-09-06 18:00:56
353.   bhsportsguy
Nate - Diamond answered your Bryan Morris question.
2007-09-06 18:01:53
354.   natepurcell
353

victory!

2007-09-06 18:02:37
355.   Dodgers49
Could-be teams to keep an eye on in October

>> Los Angeles Dodgers: Mostly it's about the pitching. Not that anyone's noticed, what with all the excitement over Joba Chamberlain and his best-in-the-history-of-humankind slider, but Chad Billingsley has developed into something akin to an ace over the past few months. His emergence gives the Dodgers a starting trio unmatched in the NL, and the back-of-the-pen Broxton/Saito pairing makes them tough from the seventh inning onwards.

So yeah, I l-u-v luv luv luv the Dodgers when Billingsley, Brad Penny or Derek Lowe are on the hill. And whether they were prompted by injury to do so, the team has finally started to include Matt Kemp, James Loney and Andy LaRoche in the starting lineup most days. If the team doesn't make the postseason, whoever insisted on giving 400 at-bats earlier in the year to Nomar Garciaparra will have some 'splainin to do. <<

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/story/10335367

2007-09-06 18:04:40
356.   Penarol1916
352. Nah, you were just so distracted by the vortex of mediocre acting that is Nick Cage, he is the only thing wrong with that movie, but is so bad that I can't watch that otherwise great movie ever again.

As for the Cubs announcers, of course they are homers, doesn't anyone else remember that Chip Caray and his broadcast partner were fired for not being big enough homers (and they were pretty homerish).

As for a last topic, anyone else watching the surprisingly entertaining Louisville/Middle Tennessee State?

2007-09-06 18:06:04
357.   bhsportsguy
354 I mean how many Nates are going to ask a question about a guy who hasn't pitched all year.

One.

2007-09-06 18:09:46
358.   Marty
Missed the whole game. First I was at the hospital for another cortisone shot. Then every system I manage decided to melt down at the same time. Looks like I missed a great one. If this doesn't convince them to sit LuGo 90% of the time, then nothing will.

333 That's like saying Vertigo is better than North by Northwest. They are both great in their own way.

2007-09-06 18:10:02
359.   GMac In The 909
351 Long live the Hud!
2007-09-06 18:11:59
360.   Marty
352 Finally someone agrees with me!
2007-09-06 18:15:41
361.   Benaiah
351 - I am not dismissing "Fargo", which I loved, based solely on the accents. However, much of the humor is unquestionably rooted in the fact that everyone in the movie talks funny. I think it holds up despite that, for its stark beauty, for Marge Gunderson's dignity and character and for just generally being a fantastic story. Nevertheless, it feels exploitive at times.

The idea that you could watch TBL and not laugh is just shocking to me. That is like someone telling me they didn't feel anything when they watched "Its a Wonderful Life". It is so unbelievably funny that I laugh when I just think about scenes from it.

2007-09-06 18:18:01
362.   Curtis Lowe
I believe in nothing.
2007-09-06 18:18:53
363.   Benaiah
362 - Sounds exhausting.
2007-09-06 18:26:08
364.   LAT
I have to vote for Fargo. One, becasue "And I guess that was your accomplice in the wood chipper." is one of the great movie lines. Two, because I am a big Frances McDormand fan. Three, William H. Macy is an exceedingly good actor (but not good enough to save Wild Hogs from being one of the worst movies ever.) Four, the scene where Marge Gunderson is interviewing the two hookers is one of my favorites.
2007-09-06 18:26:19
365.   Marty
I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos
2007-09-06 18:27:04
366.   Marty
364 I imagine it's GoBears' favorite too.
2007-09-06 18:28:32
367.   Curtis Lowe
364 - Is it that bad? Netflix just shipped it today. Maybe the Lookout will balance out the suck factor.
2007-09-06 18:29:48
368.   Jon Weisman
352 - Oh, gawd ...
2007-09-06 18:29:49
369.   Lexinthedena
TBL...I can't do it....too great a film to have an acronym placed on it.....I loved Fargo as well, and even though they were made by the same people, I have trouble comparing them....
2007-09-06 18:33:31
370.   overkill94
I thought Fargo was terrrrible. The accents did nothing for me since one of my college roommates was from Minnesota and I found pretty much nothing interesting about the whole movie. Easily one of the biggest disappointments of my movie-watching history (right up there with Elizabethtown).
2007-09-06 18:33:49
371.   Jon Weisman
361 - "much of the humor is unquestionably rooted in the fact that everyone in the movie talks funny."

That's objectively false, since I question your "unquestionably." But it sort of depends how you define "humor." If you characterize Fargo as a comedy and not a drama, and if you acknowledge that it's not a set-up/joke movie, then the comedy (dark as it is) is situational and character-driven. Maybe the most obvious laughs come in part from the accents, but obvious laughs are hardly all that movie was about.

2007-09-06 18:35:09
372.   overkill94
That being said, The Big Lebowski is in my top-5 of all-time. The Coen brothers and I have a strange relationship.
2007-09-06 18:35:26
373.   Sam DC
201 I just hope the remonstration wasn't for pretending to listen to her while really paying attention to something else.

I also love this, which I could imagine sitting up there alongside Fanerman's tivo quote: "I love having a co-worker who is just as big a Dodger fan as myself. I can never tell him about DT because then he'll know why I never get any work done."

275 is cool. I tried to explain to a friend why I liked the 3.5 nickname so much and I couldn't really do it. I jus tlike it how grew out of the moment and has the capacity to grow and change as he does. I long for the day when it's akin to the 8 foot 350 lb bruiser guy being nicknamed "tiny."

277 , 279 I believe Dmitri Young would like to have a word with you fellows.

2007-09-06 18:36:58
374.   Benaiah
1. "Jackie Treehorn treats objects like women." 2. I am a huge Julianne Moore fan. 3. John Goodman can dominate a screen like few others and this was his opus. 4. The funniest moment in film history is when the Dude sneaks over to find out what Jackie Treehorn wrote on the pad of paper by the phone.
2007-09-06 18:37:02
375.   Jon Weisman
By the way, I know this should be on Screen Jam, but I'm allowing an exception tonight.
2007-09-06 18:37:33
376.   D4P
The idea that you could watch TBL and not laugh is just shocking to me. That is like someone telling me they didn't feel anything when they watched "Its a Wonderful Life"

I watched TBL and didn't laugh.

I feel a lot when I watch IaWL.

2007-09-06 18:41:27
377.   overkill94
The Big Lebowski can not be fully appreciated until at least three full viewings. So much stuff got by me the first couple times that it felt like a different movie once everything sunk in.
2007-09-06 18:41:48
378.   LAT
367. Let's put it this way, I saw Wild Hogs on an airplane and I wanted to jump out. How they got William H. Macy, John Trovolta, Marisa Tomei and Ray Liotta to even read the script is beyond me. I hope they made a lot of money. But I should have known it would stink becasue IMO, Tim Allen is the least funny person out there. He is the Lance Carter of comedy.
2007-09-06 18:43:48
379.   Benaiah
371 - It is obviously not a comedy, but the accents drive the quirky humor that makes the dark, dark medicine go down. I think it is a fantastic movie, but it is inextricably linked to its setting and those accents are part and parcel of that. Since I think it is kind of a bully type of humor it feels a little cheap to me. It transcends that criticism, but I think it is a fair criticism nevertheless.
2007-09-06 18:45:22
380.   trainwreck
378
You think John Travolta is good and makes good movies?
2007-09-06 18:46:21
381.   LAT
377. The Big Lebowski can not be fully appreciated until at least three full viewings

I understand this. The Holy Grail was that way for me. I actually hated it the first couple of times. Of course, that could have been cause I wasn't wasted enough but eventually I came to love it.

2007-09-06 18:46:48
382.   D4P
Tim Allen is the least funny person out there

I'm pretty sure Scott Long has asked us to explain him before.

2007-09-06 18:49:44
383.   Benaiah
378 - John Travolta has a few misses on his resume, Martin Lawrence is hardly a can't mis comic, Ray Liotta just had a series canceled after about 2 episodes and Marisa Tomei is topless in the previews of her new movie (not a criticism, as much as a a point that no one in their prime would sign a clause allowing that). Even William H Macy and John C. McGinley, both of whom I love, aren't exactly setting the box-office on fire right now. Basically everyone pooled their star power en route to box office gold and professional infamy. Maybe this will pay the bills for "The Cooler 2" or something people will actually enjoy.
2007-09-06 18:49:46
384.   Eric Enders
IMO, the use of acronyms is getting way OOH. YMMV, and maybe I'm just a GOM, but HTH am I supposed to automatically know what "TBL" and "IaWL" stand for? Have we really reached the point where we can't even be bothered to spell out movie titles that are eleven letters long? Heck, we might as well do it with the quotes too -- the best TBL lines will henceforth be known as NFWTJ and IDROS.

PTIYPASI.

2007-09-06 18:52:37
385.   LAT
380. He's had a few that were decent and a few that I'm sentimental on. Pulp Fiction, Saturday Night Fever, Grease and some others. For the most part, his movies are not horrible.
2007-09-06 18:53:42
386.   Sam DC
Eric got my BS:TR and my JR:THCOJR. Enjoying. TY.
2007-09-06 18:54:11
387.   D4P
I wish I could find clips of Dana Carvey playing John Travolta on Saturday Night Live.

"It's like, so weird"

2007-09-06 18:55:29
388.   Eric Enders
I agree with Benaiah that a large amount of the amusement in Fargo comes from cheap bully humor with the accents. I sort of feel guilty for laughing while also being unable to prevent myself from laughing. Of course, the Coens have made a career out of making people laugh at things they really shouldn't be laughing at, so maybe the accent humor was all just part of that master plan.
2007-09-06 18:55:48
389.   Sam DC
I bet Bob is looking forward to writing his playoff race roundup with only four games to figure.
2007-09-06 18:56:00
390.   Benaiah
385 - The Punisher, Swordfish and Battlefield Earth beg to differ.
2007-09-06 18:57:31
391.   D4P
John Travolta is nearly as overrated as Joe Montana.
2007-09-06 18:57:37
392.   Bob Timmermann
I would disagree strongly with anyone thought that "The Big Lebowski" was better than "Fargo." While I like both, the latter is like Steve Finley's homer in 2004 and the former is more like Andre Ethier's homer today.

"The Hudsucker Proxy" seems more like a Shea Hillenbrand homer.

2007-09-06 18:57:40
393.   trainwreck
I don't think I laughed once at the accents, but I find Fargo to be a funny movie.

I got a dark sense of humor.

2007-09-06 18:58:32
394.   Bob Timmermann
389
I've got loads of material from St. Louis. My brother left that game early.

And he was working it!

2007-09-06 19:00:21
395.   LAT
383. I loved the Cooler. I don't think you can do a sequel without Alec Baldwin's character. That was the best performance of his career. I also have a little something for Maria Bello who I might point out was naked in the movie. I don't think the topless thing is indicitive of a fading female star. Nicole Kidman was naked in Cold Mountian and she was a pretty big star at the time. Some actors feel its avant-garde. Regretably Michael Douglas did it in Basic Instinct.
2007-09-06 19:00:25
396.   Eric Enders
392 So "Blood Simple" would probably be Mike Scioscia's NLCS homer -- vital and underappreciated.

Will "No Country For Old Men" be Kirk Gibson?

2007-09-06 19:01:05
397.   Eric Enders
386 GTHI.
2007-09-06 19:02:17
398.   Eric Enders
"Maria Bello who I might point out was naked in the movie."

Gee. I hadn't noticed.

2007-09-06 19:02:54
399.   trainwreck
392
That is my pick for best made Cohen brothers film.
2007-09-06 19:03:21
400.   trainwreck
399 was meant for 396
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2007-09-06 19:03:31
401.   Jon Weisman
Eric, I wouldn't expect anyone to know what TBL stands for except that's the main thing we've been talking about for the past hour. I've never used that acronym before, but someone started doing it tonight and it seemed a reasonable thing to do to save time.
2007-09-06 19:04:13
402.   Bob Timmermann
396
Yes, those are apropos.
2007-09-06 19:04:52
403.   D4P
So, any fans of David Mamet movies around here? After watching "The Spanish Prisoner" many times, we've watched "House of Games" and "Glengarry Glen Ross" in the past month and really liked them both.
2007-09-06 19:05:17
404.   Benaiah
395 - Topless is not a big deal at all (Keira Knightly has done it at least twice and I doubt anyone would say her career is on the rocks), but topless previews? An R-Rated trailer where anyone can see the goods for free, without even buying a movie ticket? Not a chance. I think almost as much of Marisa Tomei as George Costanza does, but no way she does that at the peak of her fame.
2007-09-06 19:06:46
405.   trainwreck
404
Seen as how the peak of her fame was one film, I am not surprised.
2007-09-06 19:07:16
406.   Bob Timmermann
RIP, Miyoshi Umeki
2007-09-06 19:07:20
407.   D4P
BTW: "Glengarry Glen Ross" has to be one of the all-time Rule 1 violators.
2007-09-06 19:08:51
408.   natepurcell
Topless is not a big deal at all (Keira Knightly has done it at least twice and I doubt anyone would say her career is on the rocks)

especially when the first time was when she was 16!

2007-09-06 19:08:55
409.   trainwreck
407
Mamet is making an MMA movie. It stars Tim Allen as a promoter.
2007-09-06 19:10:46
410.   Lexinthedena
I'm not a big Travolta fan, but both Pulp Fiction and Get Shorty were fun movies, and Travolta was excellent...

The Big Lebowski is definitely a movie that needs to be seen mulitplie times, but in my opinion, most great movies do.....Blazing Saddles is a great comedy that gets better with each viewing....

2007-09-06 19:11:33
411.   Sam DC
I'm just wondering if the Toaster can handle the traffic spike from "Keira Knightley topless" searches landing in this thread.
2007-09-06 19:14:00
412.   Bluebleeder87
Old friend Franklin Gutierrez sighting over at anaheim.
2007-09-06 19:14:50
413.   ToyCannon
Loved Fargo and don't remember laughing because of the accents. Don't even remebmer laughing much, it was a bit dark.

Raising Arizona is my wife's favorite comedy along with the "in-laws". Two movies we can't help but watch whenever were scanning the schedule.

403
Only seen the "Spanish Prisoner" of the 3 and enjoyed it. The cadence of the girls voice stays in your mind for a long time.

Bogart, Stewart, Cary Grant were all great.

You want to see a funny movie watch Cary Grant in "Arsenic and Old Lace" or "Mr. Blanding builds his dream house".

2007-09-06 19:14:54
414.   Eric Enders
411 If the Toaster server can handle Bob's Ashley Saltalamacchia obsession, I guess it can handle anything. ;)
2007-09-06 19:15:00
415.   LAT
403. I loved House of Games.

404. I agree giving it away for free does not make much sense but Marisa Tomei has always been a little unconventional in her career choices. I'll tell you this much, I am going to have a look see at that trailer.

2007-09-06 19:17:54
416.   Sam DC
Orioles are playing tonight in Black Sox uniforms.

This is a Negro League tribute, not a scandal tribute.

2007-09-06 19:19:35
417.   trainwreck
413
Dr. Einstein: Johnny, why did you kill that man? He was being nice to us and gave us a ride.
Jonathan Brewster: He said I looked like Boris Karloff!
2007-09-06 19:20:02
418.   ToyCannon
405
Cousin Vinny had the perfect cast.

It was strange to watch the "Jersey Boys" the other night and find out Joe Pesci was a little annoying street kid. Now one of the 4 Seasons is his driver.

2007-09-06 19:21:31
419.   Bob Timmermann
414
Ashley is not in the lead this month. "Bill Henry" is the top search term for The Griddle in Google.
2007-09-06 19:24:29
420.   Benaiah
418 - Suffering Bruin would have made it perfect*, Ralph Macchio is no replacement for the SB.

*I am assuming that SB would have had exactly the same career as R.M. post Karate Kid.

2007-09-06 19:27:14
421.   trainwreck
Oregon State is not making the Pac-10 look good.
2007-09-06 19:30:15
422.   Jon Weisman
418 - I saw it the other night too.
2007-09-06 19:32:28
423.   Eric Enders
"Joe Pesci was a little annoying street kid"

Man, how far he's come. Now he's a little annoying street adult. ;)

2007-09-06 19:37:44
424.   Bob Timmermann
I can't believe how ugly OSU's uniforms are.

Those are hideous. They make Oregon's look good. And Oregon's uniforms look like they were designed by an 8-year old with green and yellow crayons while loaded on Nyquil.

2007-09-06 19:40:23
425.   Lexinthedena
424- An 8 year old with green and yellow crayons........

Now that is funny......

2007-09-06 19:41:43
426.   Eric Enders
That 8-year-old is a seasoned veteran with the green and yellow crayons. He cut his teeth working for Charlie Finley.
2007-09-06 19:43:29
427.   trainwreck
426
MC Hammer?
2007-09-06 19:44:03
428.   Andrew Shimmin
403- As much as you hate women, Oleanna should be right up your boulevard.
2007-09-06 19:51:56
429.   Marty
I love Fargo. When I saw it the first time, I'd thought I'd seen a perfect movie. The best scenes are the ones that I've heard a lot of people (not here) say were pointless. The scene with the Japanese guy and Marge in the restaurant is just so perfect in my mind. The scene with the cop talking to the man sweeping his driveway (I don't know, just funny looking in a general sort of way) is wonderful. I also love the scene where Buscemi is burying the money and he looks both directions to get his bearings and they both look identical, just a long fence and a lot of snow.
2007-09-06 19:52:22
430.   Disabled List
This might've been overlooked the first time I posted it, but since we're on a Big Lebowski symposium tonight, please allow me the re-post:

http://tinyurl.com/yqsgpe

I'm a Lebowski, You're a Lebowski: Life, The Big Lebowski, and What Have You (Paperback)
by Bill Green (Author), Ben Peskoe (Author), Scott Shuffitt (Author), Will Russell (Author)

It was just released, and is definitely worth a read, or at least a browse, for all the Little Lebowski Urban Achievers here.

2007-09-06 19:53:39
431.   Marty
Jon knows my least favorite Coen Bros. movie. My second least favorite.....Hudsucker!
2007-09-06 19:53:43
432.   Jon Weisman
New post up top, to clear the palate.
2007-09-06 19:54:50
433.   Jon Weisman
429 - Absolutely - the movie is filled with great moments like that, all part of a cohesive story in plot and theme.

431 - Awww....

2007-09-06 19:55:45
434.   Disabled List
Incidentally, I think it's a crime (figuratively, anyways) that John Goodman did not receive a Best Supporting Actor nomination in 1998 for TBL.
2007-09-06 19:55:50
435.   Marty
I should add, I haven't seen the remake of the Lavender Hill Mob, nor the Clooney/T-Mobile pitch woman movie.
2007-09-06 20:14:20
436.   dzzrtRatt
435 Can't believe I missed the Coen Brothers discussion. Oh well.

The Lavender Hill mob remake is the only Coens movie that bored me. I like all the rest. I even liked Intolerable Cruelty (the Clooney divorce lawyer movie). I didn't notice anyone talking about O Brother Where Art Thou (OBWAT), but that's one of their best if you ask me. Clooney should only work with them.

It's possible for one person to love Fargo, the Big Lebowski and Raising Arizona.

Okay, back to the Russell Martin's choppers thread.

2007-09-06 22:02:40
437.   underdog
436 It's actually The Ladykillers that they remade, but I basically agree.
2007-09-06 22:09:53
438.   underdog
Uh oh. They just said on ESPN that Ankiel may be linked to an HGH steroids investigation from two years ago. Has not been officially accused of anything yet. Stay tuned.

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