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Sounds Like a Man With the Right Spirit - And a Good Dental Plan
2007-09-06 19:46
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

"I broke a tooth playing tag in fifth grade in France, where I went to school for two years," he says. "I fell right on my face and broke my tooth. I had to get it glued back together, and I have had to have it redone two or three times since. But I have never really minded. I would rather break my tooth than get tagged."

- Russell Martin in Sports Illustrated

Comments (127)
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2007-09-06 19:52:19
1.   Gen3Blue
This game was a marvel, but I would have felt OK if we lost 4-3. HRs by Loney and Kemp; good start by Lowe.
2007-09-06 19:59:53
2.   Bob Timmermann
I like the winning part more.
2007-09-06 20:02:12
3.   dzzrtRatt
We should never let Martin go so long as he can play ball like this. We could have no better "face of the franchise."
2007-09-06 20:02:35
4.   Benaiah
Jon, not to hijack this thread also, but since you are down on two of my favorites, let me ask what is your opinion of Wes Anderson (my all time favorite)?
2007-09-06 20:05:25
5.   Bob Timmermann
I will be VILIFIED for this, but in my opinion, Wes Anderson = peaches.
2007-09-06 20:06:40
6.   Benaiah
The Colts are much, much better than the Saints. Every time Peyton Manning throws the ball I expect a touchdown.
2007-09-06 20:07:06
7.   ToyCannon
Jon I read that when I got home tonight. You beat me to the post. It is an amazing quote.
2007-09-06 20:08:30
8.   Benaiah
5 - I love peaches and I will pretend that is what you meant. In all seriousness though, I can see how people don't like him at all, but his movies resonate with me in a huge way. The trio of Rushmore, The Royal Tennenbaums and The Life Aquatic are just amazingly hilarious and melancholy movies.
2007-09-06 20:09:35
9.   Jon Weisman
Trying to clear the palate of movie talk, but I loved Rushmore, and liked each subsequent pic of his less.
2007-09-06 20:09:52
10.   Bob Timmermann
Wes Anderson films = Vogon poetry
2007-09-06 20:13:46
11.   Marty
He's always been the "bad" Anderson to me since I love P.T. Anderson movies. I need to revisit his stuff though. I hated Rushmore, but I thought Bottle Rocket and Tennenbaums were ok.
I never saw The Life Aquatic.
2007-09-06 20:14:44
12.   Bluebleeder87
1

what?.. do tell.

2007-09-06 20:15:45
13.   Benaiah
9 - Message received, at least you liked Rushmore. Alright I am off to the bars, my public (aka the people panhandling between my apartment and the bars) awaits. Today was a great day to be a Dodger fan, lets hope tomorrow is the same.
2007-09-06 20:16:18
14.   MMSMikey
from bleedcubbieblue.com

As if you didn't dislike Dodgers OF Andre Ethier enough already, after his game-winning three-run HR off Ryan Dempster that gave the Dodgers the series with a 7-4 win over the Cubs, I'm going to tell you a little story about him about something that occurred this morning at the ballpark.

You all have seen me write about Jenna, my daughter Rachel's friend who was Bat Mitzvah two weeks ago. Today, Jenna's mom came to the ballpark on her day off to get some Dodger autographs that Jenna had wanted. She got Mike Lieberthal to sign, a couple of others, and then went to Russell Martin, who wasn't signing very much, and Ethier, who she said at first she didn't even recognize.

Ethier told her: "I'm only going to sign as much as Martin does." Martin had signed, at that time, only one piece, so Ethier signed only one piece. Then Martin signed a few more, so Ethier did, too -- but only for the men waiting, not for Jenna's mom, who was the only woman around. She asked him, "Aren't you going to sign for me?"

His response will stun you. He said, "I already have five girlfriends, I don't want another one." She responded, "I don't want to be your girlfriend, I just want your autograph." But Ethier continued: "I'm just a Southwestern kind of guy, I like to rope my women in." (He's a native of Phoenix, Arizona.)

Stunned, Jenna's mom handed Ethier's card to one of the men in line and Ethier signed it (a pretty weak-looking signature, too, I might add).

Now, maybe Ethier thinks he was being funny, but it strikes me as being extremely rude. Oh, and in case any of the five girlfriends is reading this: you're not the only one!!!

2007-09-06 20:17:20
15.   dzzrtRatt
The Life Aquatic was a test of the hypothesis that a comedy can be really, really, really slow and still be funny.

The results were mixed. It was more weird than funny, but it had some moments.

2007-09-06 20:17:32
16.   trainwreck
I got to give Wes Anderson credit for his homage to The Magnificent Ambersons, although I did not find Tennebaums that funny. Probably need to see it again.
2007-09-06 20:18:40
17.   Pedro Astacio
I've heard Ethier wasn't exactly a nice guy from stories in Vero Beach before.
2007-09-06 20:19:11
18.   dzzrtRatt
14 Apparently, 3.5 is off the mark.
2007-09-06 20:21:34
19.   MMSMikey
.18

3.5?

2007-09-06 20:22:16
20.   Jon Weisman
Oh, I liked Bottle Rocket lots too.
2007-09-06 20:22:33
21.   trainwreck
14
Ugh, first the Kemp thing and now Ethier's a jerk. I don't need anymore backstories on our youngsters. Let me have my positive feelings.
2007-09-06 20:24:10
22.   MMSMikey
21.

I havent heard the thing on kemp, whats that all about?

2007-09-06 20:24:40
24.   natepurcell
Ethier is married!

and Russ needs to be signed long term this offseason. Along with Billingsley.

2007-09-06 20:25:00
25.   King of the Hobos
Didn't Ethier win some character award when he was in the AFL as an Athletic? I remembered it was referenced a lot when we signed him, how he was such a good character guy (or at least far better than BRadley).
2007-09-06 20:25:14
26.   trainwreck
22
He was one of five basketball players on his high school team accused of raping a woman. The woman ended up deciding not to press charges.
2007-09-06 20:25:48
27.   MMSMikey
26.

oh gees.

2007-09-06 20:25:58
28.   natepurcell
Ethier is married!

and Russ needs to be signed long term this offseason. Along with Billingsley.

2007-09-06 20:26:41
29.   MMSMikey
my brother played in the big leagues for about 6 weeks, and he said players arent married on the road.
2007-09-06 20:27:03
30.   natepurcell
and Kershaw is the perfect guy in the world according to Preston Mattingly. lets focus on that.

he doesn't even drink soda!

2007-09-06 20:27:18
31.   Bluebleeder87
I'm watching the replay if the game right now, man Loney has a pretty nice swing.
2007-09-06 20:27:53
32.   Jon Weisman
I find that story unfathomable, if only because it's so certain that if any player said those things in this age, word would get out. Am I to believe Ethier is that dumb?
2007-09-06 20:29:26
33.   MMSMikey
but jon word did get out
2007-09-06 20:30:05
34.   dzzrtRatt
21 I didn't hear the "Kemp thing."

I get to hear a lot of gossip about showbiz folk from my wife, who reads Perez Hilton and Defamer and so on. Some of it is undoubtedly true, but there is so much envy mixed in with it, you have to take it with a grain of salt. The fact that this appeared on the site of a bitter Cub fan (is there any other kind?) would tend to make me discount it.

Josh Rawitch will get on top of this if there's anything to it.

18 It was just a dumb joke. Unworthy of this site.

2007-09-06 20:30:44
35.   natepurcell
34

I got it :)

2007-09-06 20:32:29
36.   Gen3Blue
I could tell you a story about most of the current young Dodger players that would make you feel revulsion for almost all of them. But this would be BS and fiction at its worst. Please check reality
2007-09-06 20:33:53
37.   King of the Hobos
30 I don't drink soda either. Now all I have to do is learn to throw left handed, then learn how to throw well left handed, and I could near Minotaur-like perfection.
2007-09-06 20:34:29
38.   natepurcell
37

are you 6'4 220lbs?

2007-09-06 20:34:32
39.   Eric Enders
30 Who?
2007-09-06 20:35:05
40.   King of the Hobos
33 An anecdote on a blog doesn't really equate to word getting out.
2007-09-06 20:35:07
41.   Bob Timmermann
Meanwhile, two of the three best teams in baseball are playing in Anaheim.

Apparently many of the Angels fans are going to the game on their own dimes.

2007-09-06 20:35:34
42.   MMSMikey
didnt ethier hit a big pinch hit homerun against the cubs earlier this season at dodger stadium? im not sure but i think i was at that game.
2007-09-06 20:35:58
43.   Jon Weisman
33 - Uh, yeah. Either Ethier is so so dumb, or the story is not true. Do we know for sure which?
2007-09-06 20:36:00
44.   MMSMikey
40

yeah thats true

2007-09-06 20:36:04
45.   Greg Brock
All this negative Nellie-ness toward Wes Anderson is not cool.

And we won today? Sweet. We..uh, win?

2007-09-06 20:36:45
46.   King of the Hobos
38 Close.

Assuming 5'10", 150 lbs is close.

2007-09-06 20:39:13
47.   Eric Enders
You guys will be happy to know that James Loney has knocked Nomar Garciaparra off his perch as the 2007 Dodgers' "regular" first baseman on baseball-reference. He has now played 574 innings at first base compared to Nomar's 571.
2007-09-06 20:41:31
48.   Bluebleeder87
14

I don't get the whole "autograph" thing, sincerely I don't, anytime you have to put your self at the mercy of a ballplayer or actors mood it's nobodies fault but your own, & I know I didn't explain my self properly but that's the best I can do.

2007-09-06 20:41:38
49.   Bob Timmermann
Steve Physioc: "Why the Tampa Bay Devil Rays are playing the AL West this late in the year is beyond me?"

Dear Steve, please look at a copy of the AL standings. Note that there are FIVE teams in the East and FIVE in the Central. Five divided by two does not yield an integer.

I know this is a tough concept for you to grasp.

What does he want the team not playing inside its division to do? Play intrasquad games?

2007-09-06 20:42:10
50.   Sam DC
Brockerson -- you should know there was much consternation at your absence during the game threads.

And it wasn't just Bob.

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2007-09-06 20:44:36
51.   Sam DC
48 I don't recall if I or someone else linked this story (found at USS Mariner) about seeking autograph and how one ballplayer feels about the whole thing, but it's pretty compelling.

http://tinyurl.com/2f9o3y

2007-09-06 20:44:36
52.   Icaros
I believe I was the first to ever pimp Wes Anderson on DT. Bob hated him even more back then.

Even if Ethier did say that stuff, couldn't he have been joking? Perhaps he was just putting a woman trying to use her physical appeal to get what she wants in her place, or something D4P would say...

2007-09-06 20:46:26
53.   Sam DC
52 I too was thinking that there's a lot of room for comments to have been misunderstood or jokes to fall flat or someone to intentionally stretch the meaning of what a person said in that kind of exchange.
2007-09-06 20:46:58
54.   Gen3Blue
We need a new rule. I love this site way too much to hear pssss-pssss did you here what this Dodger said to some girl in the parking lot. I'm really thinking about this and trying to be fair. I better check in in the morning.
2007-09-06 20:48:10
55.   Eric Enders
I'm not sure what motivation someone would have to invent something about Ethier out of whole cloth. My guess is that the story has a kernel of truth but has been distorted or exaggerated to show Ethier in the worst possible light.

Most of the negative stuff I've heard about Ethier has been of the goody-two-shoes variety, that he wears his religion on his sleeve and thinks that makes him better than everyone else. That, combined with the behavior alleged in the blog post, makes me wonder if there's some sort of Doug Christie thing going on with Ethier.

That said, who really cares?

2007-09-06 20:51:19
56.   King of the Hobos
While they are certainly not the 2005 Suns, the 2007 66ers are up 5-3 in the 5th inning of game 2. Win it, and they move on to the second round of the California League Playoffs.
2007-09-06 20:51:43
57.   Greg Brock
50 Thanks, Sam. Once everything gets settled, I can hopefully get back to some high-quality goofing off. Alas, responsible guy has to be responsible for a week or two.
2007-09-06 20:53:15
58.   Eric Enders
I'm still trying to figure out how the 66ers made the playoffs without winning either half of the season. I guess the Cal League uses an unconventional playoff system of some sort.
2007-09-06 20:54:37
59.   Dark Horse
"I've got five girlfriends...I'm a southwestern type of guy..."

This is really not the sort of stuff that requires careful analysis, but honestly that sounds more like a wooden attempt at "playful" banter than anything else.

2007-09-06 20:55:28
60.   King of the Hobos
58 Second place in the first half, I think. It's a 3 round playoff system, so 6/10 teams make the playoffs.
2007-09-06 20:55:54
61.   oswald
14 is it wrong that when i read that story, i thought "gee, i wonder how i can be the sixth" ?
2007-09-06 20:57:09
62.   Jon Weisman
55 - Was it the blogger or a commenter who passed along the story? I don't disagree with you, but I find the timing of the story curious.
2007-09-06 20:57:40
63.   King of the Hobos
60 Nevermind that, there's a wildcard for the team with the best record in each division that isn't in the playoffs, and they were 3rd behind the 2 other playoff teams in the southern division.
2007-09-06 20:59:52
64.   Gen3Blue
I took it way too seriously. The neg. Ethier stuff was apparently from a cubs fan. sorry.
2007-09-06 21:02:49
65.   ToyCannon
Garret Anderson with another one of those worthless RBI's. Uncanny how the Angels win games when players on the team get some RBI's.
2007-09-06 21:03:44
66.   ToyCannon
61
No, but it sure makes you more interesting then 99% of the other posters here.
2007-09-06 21:04:58
67.   ToyCannon
The Dodger/Cub replay is on now. I think the Ethier home run with Vinny making the call should be about 1/2 hour away.
2007-09-06 21:05:41
68.   bigcpa
I recall a review of Tenenbaums where the critic said everyone in his screening had 1 or 2 chuckles- never at the same time. This is the problem with Wes Anderson post Rushmore. He's perfectly fine if only 5% of the audience gets any given joke or reference. Very snobby if you ask me. Rushmore seemed subtle at the time but in comparison to Tenenbaums/Aquatic it's mainstream.
2007-09-06 21:06:31
69.   King of the Hobos
And almost immediately it's 6-5 Storm over the 66ers.
2007-09-06 21:08:42
70.   Eric Enders
69 The 66ers basically don't exist to me because they don't audio stream their games. I can listen to the 51s, Suns, Loons, or Raptors games online, so I tend to follow those teams more closely.

Also, can we get some farm teams that don't have stupid numbers as their nicknames?

2007-09-06 21:11:10
71.   Eric Enders
62 It was the blogger, Al Yellon, who's a fairly well-known blogger. He also is a SABR member who works for the local ABC station in Chicago. (Which either proves that he's not some random kook, or proves that he is.)
2007-09-06 21:13:14
72.   Jon Weisman
67 - Kemp HR is imminent.
2007-09-06 21:15:04
73.   Eric Enders
The phrase in 72 should be added to the Gameday lexicon. Spice things up a bit.
2007-09-06 21:15:22
74.   Bluebleeder87
67

I'm watching it also, poor Broxton the camera focused on him & he seemed to be a lonely soldier except for Stults who gave him a brotherly pat on the back.

2007-09-06 21:17:29
75.   Jon Weisman
71 - Well, that's credible, isn't it.
2007-09-06 21:19:28
76.   Robert Daeley
70 Pretty sure you can listen to their games via the live KVCR stream here:

http://kvcr.org/listenlive.htm

2007-09-06 21:23:03
77.   Gen3Blue
A P'd off Cub fan has had his way with us, but I have a sense of humour and can dig it.
Enjoy the Ethier HR, becuase it stupified the Cub's fans royaly.
2007-09-06 21:24:32
78.   Eric Enders
76 Thanks, that's great.
2007-09-06 21:24:39
79.   underdog
Underdog on Wes Anderson:
Appreciated each of his films but, like Jon, have enjoyed each subsequent one less and less. Rushmore is still my favorite. And Bottle Rocket. Tenenbaums is nice and amusing but kind of detached and hard to get involved in. His films are like short stories for short attention spans though, with lots of whimsy and humor. Decidedly not for all tastes. Life Aquatic I liked the first time, but thought it was kind of off, and uninvolving and sloppy, on a second viewing. His new one looks like The Greatest Hits of Wes Anderson, and yet I'm intrigued by the cast and locations.

---

Top 10 plays coming up on ESPN and their ad teaser made it look like Abreu's crazy leaping grab and throw will be one of them.

2007-09-06 21:25:46
80.   Robert Daeley
Oh, and Wes Anderson is just this side of a deity. That is all. ;)
2007-09-06 21:26:41
81.   Eric Enders
Wes Anderson's films started going downhill when he stopped co-writing with Owen Wilson. Whether that's coincidence or not, who knows.
2007-09-06 21:27:02
82.   underdog
I really think the truth about Ethier's moment with the fans today was, as someone said above, a grain of truth greatly exaggerated. He was probably having a spot of fun and it didn't come off right. Maybe he's socially awkward, who knows? From what I've heard he's not exactly a womanizer (again, who knows, though?) and I think was trying to be silly. Then the Cubs fans are looking for a more legit reason to hate him so whatever happened becomes like the Telephone game and now who knows what to believe. And who cares.

But if you want, now that he's here in SF, I can go keep an eye on him. Maybe get his cell # for Oswald, too.

2007-09-06 21:27:45
83.   underdog
Is there a more disgusting new food concoction than the "Dessert Pizza" at Domino's? Those ads make me seriously queasy.
2007-09-06 21:30:46
84.   underdog
Abreu #3 on the Top Plays countdown.

Oh, and Wes Anderson's soundtracks always rock. I love 'em all. (Even if the music takes center stage too often and sometimes makes it feels like a music video.)

2007-09-06 21:31:50
85.   dzzrtRatt
Did it ever rain in Chicago? Vinny was worried about the Doppler.
2007-09-06 21:34:47
86.   Andrew Shimmin
What kind of a staff would you need to keep five girlfriends? A social secretary is a given, but you'd have to figure a couple of gophers (sure you've got the clubhouse guys during the year, but what about the off-season?), maybe a professional forger to gin up some plausible deniability. Very expensive for a pre-arbitration player. Jason Phillips was living paycheck to paycheck, and I can't imagine he had even one woman.
2007-09-06 21:35:58
87.   Eric Enders
"What kind of a staff would you need to keep five girlfriends?"

Jeanne Tripplehorn.

2007-09-06 21:40:27
88.   Andrew Shimmin
87- Right, but that's a self-staffing operation. They're all helping the big dog hold on to each other. What are the chances Ethier's alleged girlfriends are that big on team work?
2007-09-06 21:41:41
89.   Jack Dawkins
I didn't see this mentioned by Josh on ItD but for folks interested in Dodger history and those things called books Mark Langill (Dodgers official team historian for those who don't know) will be discussing and signing his book "The Game of My Life: Dodgers" at the Barnes & Noble in Encino this Saturday at 3 pm. One of the event organizers is a friend of mine and thought I would pass this along.

Saturday's game won't be over by then, unfortunately . . . I suspect the event was scheduled well before the game start time was changed.

2007-09-06 21:49:04
90.   ToyCannon
Loney, Kotchman
Kendrick, Abreu, Hu
La Roche, Wood
Martin, Mathis, Napoli
Kemp, Ethier, Willits
Billingsley, Weaver

Nice

2007-09-06 21:56:06
91.   Future Hall of Famer Matt Kemp
New to commenting here, but I wanted to toss a theory out there about today's game. For those of you that saw it, the Cubs fans called out Soriano for a curtain call in the seventh inning of a close game. He obliged and the fans cheered wildly, but I am of the belief that this type of behavior is frowned upon by the Baseball Gods. Curtain calls should be reserved for game winning homers or late game bombs that put the game firmly in hand. A 4-2 lead in the seventh doesn't qualify.

Now to my theory – Ethier's "bomb" was pretty much a can of corn to the left-center gap that would have been caught under normal circumstances. The wind wasn't blowing out all game, then suddenly in the top of the ninth with the Dodgers at the plate, the wind picks up and carries the ball just over the netting for a game winner. Chance? Perhaps. But maybe it was more. Perhaps it was the ancient gods of the game exacting their revenge on the fans. Of all people, Cubs fans should know better than to tempt fate the way they did, but then again, day games at Wrigley don't always lead to proper decision making (see: Cub fan/Bud man).

Also of note, they lustily booed Dempster as he left the field. Mind you this is a guy that up to that point had only blown two saves all year (Saito's blown three). Zambrano deserved it, Dempster… not so much. As a comparison, Tomko deserved every boo he ever got at Dodger Stadium, but when Saito blows a save there shouldn't be a sound. It's just good form, but then again, can we really expect people who throw homerun balls back onto the field and eat their own (Bartman) to ever practice good form?

2007-09-06 21:58:46
92.   ToyCannon
Cub fans will be forever teased. When the Brewers sweep the Padres at the end of the year, Cub fans will again rail against the injustice.
2007-09-06 22:00:42
93.   Eric Enders
91 "this type of behavior is frowned upon by the Baseball Gods. Curtain calls should be reserved for game winning homers or late game bombs that put the game firmly in hand. A 4-2 lead in the seventh doesn't qualify."

Well, I guess that explains Kuo's arm going bad.

2007-09-06 22:01:27
94.   goofus
So a player gets blasted because he won't sign a bunch of autographs for a fan to sell? I can see some reason iin a player refusing to give out autographs at all. Better yet, have your autograph printed by the thousands and flood the market. Why would anyone want an autograph except for the monetary value?
2007-09-06 22:02:24
95.   LAT
86. One name: Lloyd.
2007-09-06 22:04:22
96.   King of the Hobos
10-5 Storm over the 66ers after 7, thanks largely to the 2006 Jon Adkins, Garrett White.
2007-09-06 22:08:52
97.   natepurcell
Ankiel....HGH....
2007-09-06 22:08:56
98.   goofus
91 Nothing unusual, just a typical baseball game. Seems I remember a recent game against the Padres (?) where a flyball right down the left field line fell just over the fence for a 'slam. And didn't Soriano swing at ball 4 today for his second homer? Or am I thinking of another game? Baseball is a weird game, strange things happen every day; Over a period of time they even out....
2007-09-06 22:09:31
99.   Eric Stephen
47 Eric, I've been waiting for that day for months! Plus, there is a good chance Betemit will remain as the regular 3B, since he has a 65-inning lead over Nomar.
2007-09-06 22:09:32
100.   natepurcell
just on BBTN
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2007-09-06 22:10:08
101.   Jon Weisman
94 - Though I don't collect autographs, the answer to that is obvious.
2007-09-06 22:11:26
102.   underdog
100 Yah, just saw that too. Uh oh. Just said on ESPN that Ankiel may be linked to an HGH steroids investigation from two years ago. Has not been officially accused of anything yet. Stay tuned. (This came from NY Daily News, so take it with a grain of salt. And it was before they officially banned HGH.)
2007-09-06 22:11:56
103.   LAT
94. It sounded like she was trying to get the autograph for her daughter. As for collecting autographs my daughter collects them and she is 13 so I don't think its for money. While many obviously do seek autos for money, I think a lot of people have favorite players and feel connected to them when they get an auto.
2007-09-06 22:12:50
104.   Andrew Shimmin
100- Detroit Free Press story:

http://tinyurl.com/34obu6

2007-09-06 22:14:22
105.   Dodgers49
91. and eat their own (Bartman)

But Bartman deserved to be eaten.

2007-09-06 22:14:29
106.   Andrew Shimmin
103- Yeah, but Ethier was either the fourth or fifth player to be asked. I can see that grating, especially if she made it obvious that she (by her hearsaid admission) didn't know who he was.
2007-09-06 22:15:18
107.   LAT
102. But to be fair they did say Ankiel's HGH orders stopped when MLB outlawed the stuff.
2007-09-06 22:17:37
108.   underdog
107 Right-o. That's what I mentioned at the end of 102. Yeah, definitely don't think any assumptions should be made.
2007-09-06 22:21:15
109.   Icaros
Signature Pharmacy is the same shakedown that has resulted in a number of WWE wrestler suspensions. Chris Benoit was also a customer.
2007-09-06 22:30:53
110.   underdog
109 People get suspended from WWE? Why does that sound like actresses getting suspended from adult films for having boob jobs? But I'm no expert... Er, on both! Not an expert on both!

I'm watching Mad Men. I should go before I defame myself.

2007-09-06 22:35:30
111.   King of the Hobos
Inland Empire loses, so game 3 is a must win. Jamie Hoffman went 4-5 with a homer and Josh Bell went 3-5.
2007-09-06 22:38:00
112.   Eric Stephen
In the interest of helping Russell Martin afford to upgrade his dental plan, the Dodgers should sign him to a long-term deal this winter, at least buying out his arbitration years.

Russ will have 1 year and 150 days service time at the end of this season. He will almost certainly be eligible for arbitration after 2008 (as a "Super Two") and for four years through 2012.

Similar young stud catchers in similar situations were Victor Martinez and Brian McCann, plus Joe Mauer in a slightly different situation (he signed his contract after 3 years of service time)

Victor Martinez (signed in 2005 with 1 yr, 114 days service time):
$1m signing bonus
2nd yr - $500k
3rd yr - $800k
arb yr 1 - $3m
arb yr 2 - $4.25m
arb yr 3 - $5.7m
FA yr 1 - $7m option ($250k buyout)
Total contract - 5 yrs, $15.5m

Brian McCann (signed in 2007 with 1 yr, 117 days service time):
$1m signing bonus
2nd yr - $500k
3rd yr - $800k
arb yr 1 - $3.5m
arb yr 2 - $5.5m
arb yr 3 - $6.5m
FA yr 1 - $8.5m
FA yr 2 - $12m option ($500k buyout)
Total contract - 6 yrs, $26.8m

Joe Mauer (signed in 2007 with 3 yrs service time - not an exact comp):
arb yr 1 - $3.75m
arb yr 2 - $6.25m
arb yr 3 - $10.5m
FA yr 1 - $12.5m
Total contract - 4 yrs, $33m

Here's my expected Martin contract, which I expect to be more Mcannish than Maueriffic:

$1m signing bonus
2008 (2nd yr) - $500k
2009 (arb yr 1) - $3m
2010 (arb yr 2) - $5.5m
2011 (arb yr 3) - $7.5m
2012 (arb yr 4) - $9.5m
2013 (FA yr 1) - $13m option ($1m buyout)
Total contract - 6 yrs, $28m

All the great young catchers start with M, as in Money.

2007-09-06 22:38:28
113.   LAT
108. Sorry, missed that in 107. You did indeed. Underdog is fair and balanced:-)
2007-09-06 22:46:32
114.   Andrew Shimmin
I don't understand why teams don't front load contracts for young players. Ten million bucks next year would, presumably, be worth much more to Martin than it would be down the road. It's MLB, so the money is all guaranteed, no matter how it's structured--it seems like the player would be likely to sign for less total money, and it would help put off the day of reckoning, where the team has to pick between it's bumper crop.
2007-09-06 22:47:30
115.   underdog
113 Thanks! More than Fox News? ;-)

Night all! It's Dodger Thoughts Night North tomorrow as a few of us will sit together behind Barry's butt. Look for us on ESPN as we catch a Matt Kemp home run.

2007-09-06 22:49:11
116.   bcg60
I would take comments from Ethier's mouth about interacting with fans more than I would comments from a Cub fan no doubt mad because he had the game winning home run:

http://www.the-tidings.com/2007/083107/sangabe.htm#sangabe2

I've heard a lot more good reports about fans interacting with him than bad ones and a friend of mine got his authograph for me last season and said he was really nice and told him to tell me thanks when my friend told him I was a big fan. From what I've observed, I don't think he's the type to play around. I think he's just guilty of having a goofy sense of humor.

2007-09-06 22:50:10
117.   Eric Stephen
114 Two reasons MLB teams don't frontload the contracts (besides signing bonuses) are:

1) present value of money
2) setting precedents

If the Dodgers give, say $10m to Martin for next year, what happens when the next all star with less than two years service time comes a knockin'?

2007-09-06 22:56:13
118.   LAT
I can tell you that Ethier signed for my daughter earlier this season. (In fact she got Kemp, Ethier, Martin and Bills on one ball)
2007-09-06 22:56:28
119.   underdog
116 - Should post that on that Cubs blog that had the Ethier anecdote. Only fair to get another side to the story.
2007-09-06 22:57:25
120.   dzzrtRatt
Don't tell Ned, but the Mariners have released reliever Rick White, who has played for 11 teams. I mean, that's Proven. That's Veteran. And that's Leadership. Right there in one package.
2007-09-06 22:57:54
121.   Eric Stephen
118 That ball will probably be the impetus behind the movie sequel Sandlot 19.
2007-09-06 22:59:04
122.   Eric Stephen
120 The billionaire?
2007-09-06 23:04:46
123.   King of the Hobos
122 No, that's Matt, and he's in Japan. Rick is a 40 year old fat guy with unfortunate facial hair.
2007-09-06 23:11:17
124.   Jon Weisman
New thread at Screen Jam.

120 - Rick White was once a Dodger org man too:

http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=30070

2007-09-06 23:20:05
125.   Jon Weisman
New post up top.
2007-09-07 06:28:14
126.   goofus
I don't remember the number of the original post but as I read it, he DID sign an autograph for her and she later came back wanting several more. One you might possibly collect; more than one, they're are going to be sold or traded for profit. Possibly that was his interpretation also.
2007-09-07 08:53:29
127.   Ben P
Does the phrase "Dental Plan" make anyone else think of the classic Simpsons episode where Homer becomes the union leader?

"Dental plan."
"Lisa needs braces."
"Dental plan" ....

2007-09-08 12:58:54
128.   Bradley Strong
Dear Mr. Martin,
The next time you are in Las Vegas, I will gladly trade some exceptional cosmetic dentistry for a few Dugout Club seats.
Respectfully,

Bradley Strong, D.D.S.
www.bstrongdds.com

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