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1) using profanity or any euphemisms for profanity
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Your New Season Pass
2007-09-07 17:19
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

Today, Variety launched Season Pass, a new blog devoted to thoughts and musings about television, particularly prime-time series. I'm proud to be one of eight contributors (perhaps more later) to the new site.

To commemorate the launch, we put together a chart with our initial thoughts about the new shows for this fall season. If you scroll your cursor over some of the ratings, which range from two thumbs up to two thumbs down, you'll also see brief comments about the shows. But we'll get to expand on these thoughts in the main blog.

The presence of Season Pass solves one of my ongoing problems with Screen Jam, namely finding time to post on it. That's because I now am compelled to contribute TV-related blog posts to Season Pass, so there's really no choice in the matter. For now, I'm going to keep Screen Jam alive for posts related to entertainment (including TV posts that don't fit the Season Pass mold), but it's possible that down the road, I might just consolidate my personal blogging back into Dodger Thoughts. (I experimented with allowing some film chat on Dodger Thoughts Thursday night, just to begin to assess the impact.)

In any case, I am hoping that many of you will check out Season Pass and bring some of that Dodger Thoughts community over there in the comments section. Of course, some of you will be limited in your input before the new fall season officially begins, but I do look forward to seeing your thoughts on the web pages of Variety.

Warning: The first person who mentions Juan Pierre at Season Pass gets a paddlin'.

* * *

Tonight's game:

Gameday

Retro Gameday

Comments (581)
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2007-09-07 17:25:59
1.   Greg Brock
Movie talk? Back on DT? Superb!

But I'm guessing it might not be so popular with "other" folks.

2007-09-07 17:26:44
2.   bhsportsguy
1 So how's life in paradise?
2007-09-07 17:27:56
3.   trainwreck
Alright! Jon gave two thumbs up to both Pushing Daisies and Reaper. The two shows that I have interest in watching.
2007-09-07 17:28:20
4.   Jon Weisman
2 - He's knocking on heaven's door. How could he ask for more?
2007-09-07 17:29:36
5.   trainwreck
3
To add on to that, those seem to be the two best reviewed shows.
2007-09-07 17:29:43
6.   bhsportsguy
4 He could ask but knowing him, he probably feels like he has cashed in all is favors.
2007-09-07 17:29:48
7.   Eric Enders
1 Yeah, I give that a big two thumbs up as well.
2007-09-07 17:31:40
8.   Greg Brock
Things are great, thanks for asking. Any time you can combine team building exercises with throwing wads of paper around the class, it's fun time.
2007-09-07 17:40:48
9.   Bluebleeder87
I'm sure Jon will recognize my bad spelling & grammar if I post over there. :o)
2007-09-07 17:42:21
10.   underdog
Teachers shouldn't be throwing wads of paper at their students - OOoooo, I'm telling!

Okay, off to the game for DodgerThoughts Night North. Wish us luck. If I can take a few pictures of us with Barry's full moon behind us, I will post 'em later.

2007-09-07 17:43:00
11.   Andrew Shimmin
Reading Jon's "About Us" page at the new blog, I didn't know King of the Hill was still running. I can't remember if I quit watching it when I quit watching the Simpsons, or if Fox moved it and I never found it again.
2007-09-07 17:45:38
12.   trainwreck
11
They moved it and semi-ended it and then brought it back at a bad time and now they are bringing it back after the Simpsons.
2007-09-07 17:48:13
13.   Greg Brock
Of all the new shows, I'm most looking forward to Pushing Daisies. Dead Like Me wasn't the best show on television, but it was criminally under-seen.
2007-09-07 17:50:26
14.   Lexinthedena
Nomar's batting fifth!?

Oh, is this the wrong thread?

2007-09-07 17:50:50
15.   Marty
Brock, have you said what school you're at, or do you not want to reveal that in case the principal reads DT?
2007-09-07 17:51:32
16.   Marty
What is the concept for Pushing Daisies?
2007-09-07 17:52:21
17.   paranoidandroid
Good luck with the new gig Jon.

Eric, I just remembered a classic player name that the Cubs had when I was a kid: Pete LaCock.

His dad is/was Peter Marshall, old host of Hollywood Squares. Marshall was his Hollywood name, Pete took the family name to MLB along with his curly his golden locks and giant swing with many holes in it. Hit a few dingers, but was a poor first baseman and an even worse outfielder.

2007-09-07 17:52:44
18.   trainwreck
6
BH, I was going to post here about Johnson getting his red-shirt, but then I see you already did it at BRO.
2007-09-07 17:53:12
19.   Andrew Shimmin
Jon's got a longer Season Passes list than any of the other contributers, it looks like. Show off.
2007-09-07 17:55:35
20.   bhsportsguy
18 Did you see that someone asked about Rasshan at today's breakfast, not a lot said but I think he will be in the group but for now probably not in the top 7 WRs (my guess not from anyone in the program).
2007-09-07 17:55:51
21.   Greg Brock
15 I'm north of San Pedro, South of Santa Monica ;-)
2007-09-07 18:00:46
22.   Marty
You're in the water?
2007-09-07 18:02:01
23.   Bob Timmermann
I am glad Jon did not write the entry on "Private Practice."
2007-09-07 18:02:10
24.   Jon Weisman
19 - Actually, I'm a bit embarrassed.
2007-09-07 18:03:54
25.   Greg Brock
22 Ditch the straight lines, Martin.

23 But Private Practice has Kate Walsh! Best show of the year!

2007-09-07 18:05:07
26.   Andrew Shimmin
24- You're a machine. Don't hide your light under a bushel!

Anyway, it could be worse; you could be the guy who still watches 60 Minutes.

2007-09-07 18:06:28
27.   Marty
Or only watches 60 minutes for Andy Rooney.
2007-09-07 18:08:59
28.   old dodger fan
Can someone answer a playoff question for me?

Suppose the Cubs and Brewers finish tied for 1st in the Central. Padres win the West with the Dodgers 2nd. Cubs, Brewers and Dodgers have identical records and they are all better than the 2nd place team from the East.

I assume the Cubs and Brewers play 1 game for the Central Championship. Does that give the Dodgers the Wild Card because they now are 1/2 hame ahead of the Cubs-Brewers loser?

2007-09-07 18:09:08
29.   Bluebleeder87
Nice to see Tony Jackson giving Saito props for his SICK August performance, hopefully he gets his fair share of Cy Young voting.
2007-09-07 18:10:57
30.   Jon Weisman
16 - Piemaker can bring people back to life with one touch, but with a second touch they die forever. When he does this with the love of his life, he wins her heart but can't ever touch her. Also, he solves crimes. (I know that last part sounds awful, but it works.) Filmed in the style of, say, Amelie.
2007-09-07 18:13:18
31.   Gen3Blue
A bit of verse;

(perhaps to the tune of J. Taylors "Don't let me be lonely tonight.)

Do me wrong, do me right
But please get the line-up right
Everyone here feels my plight
So please play Kemp and Loney tonight.

Sit Abrue, Bench LaRoche
Even let Rich Donnelly coach
when I wake to the morning light
Hope you played Kemp and Loney tonight

Luckily for all, I don't know the bridge.

2007-09-07 18:13:59
32.   Andrew Shimmin
27- Actually, I'll often turn over for Rooney. It's on opposite the replay of Meet The Press, which ends five or ten minutes before the hour. Rooney is, to me, a little like Chris Hitchens' daily regimen of looking at the "All the news that's fit to print" box of the NY Times, to make sure it still enrages him.

Last week he had a big important theory about how movie theaters are better than watching DVDs at home, and how people will always recognize that. Wrong on both counts. Fantastically, empirically wrong. And smug. And bushily eyebrowed!

2007-09-07 18:17:27
33.   old dodger fan
I looked at the ratings chart at Season's Pass and noticed that the show K-Ville had the biggest difference of opinion. Kind of makes me want to watch it just to see why.
2007-09-07 18:17:58
34.   Greg Brock
32 Andy Rooney and Christopher Hitchens go together like Bananas Foster and Christopher Hitchens.
2007-09-07 18:18:55
35.   Andrew Shimmin
31- Not to go all Bob on you, but the Dodgers' young IF spells his name Abreu. His first name can be spelled any of about thirty dozen different ways, and still be arguably right. But the surname is "Abreu."
2007-09-07 18:21:05
36.   ToyCannon
Thumbs up to DT bringing back fun talk.
2007-09-07 18:21:34
37.   old dodger fan
Smoltz pitching very well tonight.
2007-09-07 18:22:47
38.   Andrew Shimmin
34- Did you see the CSPAN2 In Depth with him last weekend? Three hours is a lot of time to spend with anyone, but (not surprisingly) the conversation never lulled.
2007-09-07 18:23:06
39.   Gen3Blue
Its Ok, I like to get that stuff right.
And as you see I'm trying to mix entertainment and the D's.
2007-09-07 18:25:00
40.   Greg Brock
38 I spent last weekend immersed in lesson plans. I've basically missed the last seven days of the world around me.

I've watched exactly one Dodgers game this week.

2007-09-07 18:34:41
41.   Eric Stephen
37 It's not often you see the home crowd cheer an E6 from the home SS.
2007-09-07 18:36:16
42.   SoSG Orel
Congrats on the new gig, Jon!
2007-09-07 18:40:01
43.   overkill94
That grid is pretty dang useful Jon, makes it way easier for me to decide what shows will be worth watching from the beginning. It probably has something to do with no getting a DVR until this last February, but I've been late to the party on too many of the highly-acclaimed shows (Heroes, Lost, etc.).
2007-09-07 18:47:39
44.   Marty
My complaint on the grid is that the reviewers name should be anchored so that when you scroll all the way down, you always see their name. I hate having to scroll up to remind me which column is which reviewer.
2007-09-07 18:52:20
45.   Bluebleeder87
You guys think Grady will platoon Nomar, Hillenbrand & La Roche the rest of the way? It doesn't sound like a good idea if you ask me.
2007-09-07 18:53:19
46.   Lexinthedena
My People, my people.....

As some of you know, I do a radio show on 90.7 KPFK called Soul Rebel Radio.....You guys tend to have good taste...so if your able to, tune in to 90.7 in about 8 minutes to listen to Soul Rebel Radio...the only youth oriented program on the station....I'm hosting tonight...

2007-09-07 18:54:26
47.   Bluebleeder87
43

that's pretty much how I feel about it also.

2007-09-07 18:54:49
48.   Bob Timmermann
28
In that scenario, the teams tied for the division play each other and the winner is declared the champ.
The loser plays the next day against the team from the other division for the wild card.

Teams used to have the ability to "back in" to playoff spots that way, but that has been removed.

You have to win a playoff spot on the field except in cases like the Dodgers/Padres in 06, Red Sox/Yankees in 04, and whatever year the Astros and Cardinals tied.

2007-09-07 18:55:10
49.   overkill94
45 How do you platoon three right-handed hitters?
2007-09-07 18:55:24
50.   Indiana Jon
I just have to ask, is it an LA thing to talk so much about movies and TV? I'm not trying to be rude, but it just seems like a high number of people on here enjoy that kind of discussion while here in my town I probably couldn't find many people that could name five non-reality based TV shows.
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2007-09-07 18:57:38
51.   Gen3Blue
49 Maybe rotate?
2007-09-07 18:57:41
52.   Bob Timmermann
50
Just because it's a stereotype doesn't mean it isn't true.
2007-09-07 18:58:13
53.   ToyCannon
50
It is the business that drives LA. If we aren't in it, we know somebody who is.
2007-09-07 19:00:36
54.   Andrew Shimmin
50- Be careful or it'll rub off on you. On Jon's list of shows he watches, there were four that I'd have ever seen but for DT and ScreenJams. Because of my exposure to the Weisman Media Empire, I've seen 13, and watch five regularly.
2007-09-07 19:00:39
55.   Linkmeister
50 It's a company town. In DC people would talk politics. In Hawai'i we talk tourism and the military.
2007-09-07 19:01:07
56.   Indiana Jon
52 I'm really trying not to stereotype (even if it is true). All I'm saying is that I would guess if I went to a Reds, Cardinals, or Cubs blog, the posters wouldn't have the same knowledge or desire to talk about movies.
2007-09-07 19:02:37
57.   Bob Timmermann
Is it more disconcerting to hear Vin Scully or Joe Garagiola refer to Orlando Hudson as "O Dog"?

Tony Clark does voiceovers for the DBacks in game ads. That guy has a voice. When he retires, he could be narrating trailers.

"In a division gone wild ...."

2007-09-07 19:03:25
58.   Bob Timmermann
56
Actually, I was just giving you permission to stereotype.
2007-09-07 19:03:36
59.   Indiana Jon
54 In a way it already has rubbed off. I've tried a few movies that I've seen highly recommended on here over the last year. Although some have been good movies, I think my taste may be a bit off from the LA norm.
2007-09-07 19:04:58
60.   Bob Timmermann
59
Once you develop a taste for Pac-10 basketball, then will you have been truly brainwashed.
2007-09-07 19:05:11
61.   Indiana Jon
58 Well in that case, you're all welcome to ask me about basketball, car racing and corn.
2007-09-07 19:06:12
62.   Bob Timmermann
61
They play basketball in Indiana?
2007-09-07 19:06:26
63.   Indiana Jon
60 I'm moving that way. Currently I'm as far west as the Big 12.
2007-09-07 19:06:42
64.   Robert Daeley
50 Also, we start watching shows late and stop watching a few minutes early.

That's just how we roll.

2007-09-07 19:08:31
65.   Indiana Jon
62 The word sounds familiar. Actually, John Wooden was born and raised in my town. Does that count?
2007-09-07 19:09:28
66.   Bob Timmermann
Phillies lose, 6-3.
2007-09-07 19:09:57
67.   Eric Stephen
Since the Navy-Rutgers game on ESPN is running long, I will start watching tonight's Dodger game on EI, which has the Giants feed. I actually like the Giants announcers, Duane Kuiper and Mike Krukow, but HD wins out in this battle. Once football is over, I'm switching over to ESPN.

If Vin was on EI, I would sacrifice HD. Similarly, I would not watch ESPN HD if Chris Berman were calling the game.

2007-09-07 19:10:14
68.   NorCal-Dodger
65 In that case, in Bob's eye's you're already part 'La Familia'
2007-09-07 19:11:15
69.   Eric Stephen
Both teams wearing uniforms with Spanish names on the front.
2007-09-07 19:11:50
70.   Indiana Jon
67 If you have DirecTV, it's in HD on EI too. Channel 730.
2007-09-07 19:12:39
71.   Bob Timmermann
65
Greg Brock, bhsportguy, and I will be making a pilgrimage to your home then.

We will walk all the way out.

2007-09-07 19:14:59
72.   Indiana Jon
71 Believe it or not, there isn't much here in honor of Wooden. There is a street bearing his name, the gym, and several of his items on display at the high school and at a restaurant downtown, but considering he is the second best college coach ever, you would think they would have done more.
2007-09-07 19:15:28
73.   Bluebleeder87
I'm not sure I'm digging the KCAL camera angle, But I'm digging Kemps SICK hitting, woo.
2007-09-07 19:15:30
74.   Bob Timmermann
Ooh, will there be a postgame throwing contest between Pierre and Roberts?
2007-09-07 19:16:25
75.   Linkmeister
Worse than Navy-Rutgers running long, Navy's losing. This is not what I signed up for when I was raised in a Navy family and then served for a couple of years in that branch myself.
2007-09-07 19:16:26
76.   Bob Timmermann
72
So you're a big fan of Clair Bee?
2007-09-07 19:17:28
77.   Linkmeister
Clair Bee wrote good wholesome books. What else did he do? I forget. ;)
2007-09-07 19:18:05
78.   Bob Timmermann
75
There is that problem of Rutgers actually being good now.
2007-09-07 19:18:15
79.   Gen3Blue
Wow, one of these announcers knows a lot more about baseball than the players. He must have been good.
2007-09-07 19:18:53
80.   oswald
i've never seen a player who was an actively bad base runner. but kemp is just noticeably terrible. i love the boy but i get the feeling i'm a better base runner
2007-09-07 19:19:38
81.   Bluebleeder87
great Job by Matt Kemp...
2007-09-07 19:19:58
82.   Gen3Blue
Well, how did that DP work out for you, SF.
2007-09-07 19:20:52
83.   Eric Enders
Matt Kemp to baserunning critics: "How 'bout them apples?"
2007-09-07 19:20:56
84.   Gen3Blue
Matt Kemp could be seen as deking them into missing Pierre.
2007-09-07 19:21:11
85.   NorCal-Dodger
GameDay is slow..what happened?+
2007-09-07 19:21:19
86.   Bluebleeder87
it was a hit & run right? Kemp sure acted like it was, so I'll go with it.
2007-09-07 19:21:29
87.   Indiana Jon
76 Odd that of the two best coaches, one would be born here in Martinsville (actually born just north in Centerton) and the other would coach 20 miles south of here for many years.
2007-09-07 19:22:09
88.   Greg Brock
75 Do you remember your first general order?

I do!

2007-09-07 19:22:26
89.   Eric Stephen
Wow, a Jeremy Miller sighting! Nice to see Ben Seaver getting work, albeit in a McDonald's commercial. I thought he vanished into the world of Danny Pintauro obscurity long ago.
2007-09-07 19:22:28
90.   Bob Timmermann
Arizona leads the Redbirds 1-0.
2007-09-07 19:22:40
91.   Eric Enders
85 Hit & run, Kent missed the pitch, Kemp purposely got into a rundown and stayed in it long enough for Pierre to steal home.
2007-09-07 19:22:41
92.   Reiichi
Kemp ran on the pitch. Kent struck out.

But Kemp stopped running to second and ended up prolonging a pickle while Pierre ran home. So I guess that was a good thing.

2007-09-07 19:23:11
93.   Bob Timmermann
85
Kent strikeout, Kemp was going to be caught stealing easily so he got into a rundown and Pierre scored from third.
2007-09-07 19:23:38
94.   NorCal-Dodger
91 92 thanx!
2007-09-07 19:23:58
95.   Bob Timmermann
91 92 93
Rashomon: the boring version.
2007-09-07 19:24:14
96.   Linkmeister
88 Heck no. I deliberately erased boot camp from my memory a long time ago. I was four years older than my fellow company members and couldn't take it as seriously as the DI wanted, so I was always in and out of mild trouble.
2007-09-07 19:24:25
97.   Gen3Blue
Ball was in center field.
This announcer seems to know so much he is getting me confused.
2007-09-07 19:24:53
98.   Eric Enders
Giants announcers calling that a misplay by Ethier. Who decided to position him so deep? Did they think it was Joe DiMaggio and not Dave Roberts?
2007-09-07 19:24:54
99.   Indiana Jon
88 I will guard everything within the limits of my post and quit my post only when properly relieved?
2007-09-07 19:25:43
100.   Bob Timmermann
Nats lose...

And make five errors.

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2007-09-07 19:27:31
101.   Greg Brock
96 Relieve your post only when properly relieved.

You're failing America, Linkmeister!

2007-09-07 19:27:35
102.   Gen3Blue
Roberts is one of the best Giants this year.

Ah- the knowing one says you cringe.

2007-09-07 19:28:30
103.   bhsportsguy
That must have been some throwing error to score a runner on first base with two out in Arizona.
2007-09-07 19:29:23
104.   Linkmeister
Well, rats, guys, I knew that. It was so thoroughly ingrained I didn't think I had to repeat it.

(Am I cleverly skating out of that one?)

2007-09-07 19:30:09
105.   Bob Timmermann
Orange alert for Frank Catalanotto
2007-09-07 19:30:41
106.   Eric Enders
That was a beautiful thing.
2007-09-07 19:30:54
107.   Jon Weisman
Oh man, I loved that 3-2 pitch to Bonds from Billingsley. Froze him!
2007-09-07 19:31:05
108.   Eric Stephen
Billingsley making Sutcliffe eat his words by striking out Bonds.
2007-09-07 19:31:37
109.   Bob Timmermann
Garret Anderson now has an RBI in 12 straight games.
2007-09-07 19:31:48
110.   Eric Stephen
107 The 3-1 pitch was nasty too! Excellent cutter tailing inside.
2007-09-07 19:32:14
111.   Bluebleeder87
it was a thing of beauty what Bills did to Bonds.
2007-09-07 19:32:51
112.   Andrew Shimmin
Mine eyes have seen the glory of coming of the Billz.
2007-09-07 19:33:13
113.   Eric Enders
S.O.N.

(Same Old Nomar)

2007-09-07 19:33:19
114.   Eric Stephen
And welcome back Nomar!
2007-09-07 19:33:25
115.   Gen3Blue
There is much enjoyable here. Hope it continues.
2007-09-07 19:33:38
116.   NorCal-Dodger
Nomar, doesn't miss a beat..first ball hacking.
2007-09-07 19:34:03
117.   Gen3Blue
S. O. N. of a
2007-09-07 19:34:18
118.   Bob Timmermann
In the fourth inning in Colorado, the Rockies are on their fifth pitcher.

And yet they're ahead 5-3.

2007-09-07 19:34:31
119.   JT Dutch
... Hey, Nomar, welcome back. We were gettin' sick of having all those baserunners anyway. More outs are what we need.
2007-09-07 19:34:45
120.   Sam DC
Wow, what a nice surprise to tunr on the tv and find the game is on.

Sorry if this is a repeat -- I have like 250 comments to get through since just since leaving work! -- but wanted to pass on to Greg that the Nationals ended their five game winning streak by getting no-hit through seven by John Smolz and committing five errors, including three in one inning, two of those by their best fielder Ryan Zimmerman.

Baseball is some crazy game.

2007-09-07 19:34:58
121.   NorCal-Dodger
He probably didn't want to tire out his calf, standing there more than 1 pitch.
2007-09-07 19:35:02
122.   Eric Stephen
Once again, Russ spits on his gloves then immediately gets a hit on the next pitch!
2007-09-07 19:35:50
123.   Indiana Jon
105 They just pinch hit for him with Sosa!
2007-09-07 19:36:49
124.   Gen3Blue
Whoa-- that called strike was a good bit below the knees.
2007-09-07 19:36:57
125.   Disabled List
The Giants broadcast has the crowd sound mixed waaaaay up. The announcers sound like they're shouting over a roaring throng, except I can tell the fans aren't making that much noise.
2007-09-07 19:37:02
126.   Bob Timmermann
123
Cycle alert canceled.

Stand down.

2007-09-07 19:37:20
127.   Vaudeville Villain
Did I hear Vin Scully correctly? Did he just say that Loney will sit for Shea Hillenbrand tomorrow?
2007-09-07 19:37:56
128.   Mark Joseph
82

Well, lessee:

Dodger win expectancy before the K/CS/run: 50.2%

After: 50.3%

2007-09-07 19:38:55
129.   Bob Timmermann
127
"Well you see there, Strawberry, that pitcher throws with his left hand and Hillenbrand bats from the right side. It's called playing the percentages. It's what smart managers do."
2007-09-07 19:38:59
130.   Indiana Jon
126 Had Sosa doubled, would credit have been given for a combined cycle, like when pitchers combine for a no-hitter?
2007-09-07 19:39:14
131.   Eric Enders
127 Well, hopefully what he means is that Hillenbrand is a painter like Tomko.
2007-09-07 19:40:05
132.   Mark Joseph
127

Yes, you heard correctly. Sigh...

2007-09-07 19:40:59
133.   Vaudeville Villain
129

Yeah, but couldn't you just play Nomar at first and let La Roche play 3rd? Or maybe La Roche plays 3rd with Hillenbrand? Just seems like weird timing considering how well Loney has been playing.

2007-09-07 19:41:32
134.   Eric Enders
Ethier only got that walk because he was batting eighth.

Oh, wait...

2007-09-07 19:42:01
135.   alexx
Did the ESPN guys just say they think Martin will need knee surgery in the off season?
2007-09-07 19:42:40
136.   Mark Joseph
128

And yet, after a scoreless time up for each team, the Dodger win expectancy creeps up to 51.5%.

2007-09-07 19:42:56
137.   MMSMikey
yeah, he might need some small procedure. hes obviously in pain.
2007-09-07 19:43:23
138.   MMSMikey
with that being said, maybe liberthal will catch wells tomorrow.
2007-09-07 19:44:01
139.   Eric Enders
Is there such a thing as a "small" knee surgery?
2007-09-07 19:44:21
140.   Vaudeville Villain
Who's calling the EPSN game?
2007-09-07 19:45:22
141.   Gen3Blue
Some lefties are tougher than others on left handed hitters. I can see this one is so its not good to have Loney and Ethier back to back. of course I would remedy this pehaps by batting Loney and Ethier 2nd and 5th or sixth. I doubt Grits would concur.
2007-09-07 19:47:07
142.   Eric Enders
140 Rick Sutcliffe, Dusty Baker, and some soulless dweeb who's serving as mediator.
2007-09-07 19:48:13
143.   Eric Enders
Right now they are talking about how good Pedro Feliz is.
2007-09-07 19:48:28
144.   Bob Timmermann
142
Dave O'Brien I assume.

May God have mercy on your souls.

2007-09-07 19:49:30
145.   Marty
Have we been Los Dodgers yet this season?
2007-09-07 19:50:05
146.   Bob Timmermann
The last series against the Rockies had a Viva Los Dodgers promotion.
2007-09-07 19:50:12
147.   Lexinthedena
145- We're Los Doyers every game homes!
2007-09-07 19:51:25
148.   jujibee
I actually switched over to the ESPN game vs. Kruk and Kuip over on FSNBay area. The only thing worse than being deprived of Chavez Ravine and Tommy Burgers, is having to listen to local telecasts when you're out of area.
2007-09-07 19:52:01
149.   Eric Enders
145 I don't think we would stoop to that level, would we? Pandering to audience segments by using your uniform as a cheap promotional tool may work for the Giants. But the Dodgers do not answer letters.
2007-09-07 19:52:44
150.   Lexinthedena
Disco Stu doesn't advertise
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2007-09-07 19:53:33
151.   Bluebleeder87
135 ,137

some one should start a Fire The Windmill webpage, seriously.

2007-09-07 19:53:47
152.   NorCal-Dodger
148 - MMMMM a Doble chili cheese Tommy Burger at Beverly and Rampart at 0300 in the morning..
2007-09-07 19:55:53
153.   Gen3Blue
I realize I have a choice of announcers, but I find it may be no choice at all.
2007-09-07 19:57:07
154.   Bob Timmermann
153
I believe you have a Hobson's choice of announcers right now.

But you could be upset about it enough to turn it into a Sophie's choice.

2007-09-07 19:57:17
155.   Eric Enders
The Giants announcers are good once you get over the fact that they're Giants announcers. They have about three times the intelligence of the ESPN guys.

(The same ESPN guys who are now making fun of people who think Juan Pierre is having a bad year.)

2007-09-07 19:57:23
156.   Sam DC
I'm still trying to come to grips with how totally and completely the Orioles have fallen apart starting the very second they committed to Dave Trembley.

It's probably not knowable if this is the worst nosedive on signing a new managerial contract of all time.

2007-09-07 19:58:03
157.   MMSMikey
139.

miniscus is a pretty small injury

2007-09-07 19:58:07
158.   Sam DC
MVP-Rod goes 3-3 with a walk, including his 49th home run.
2007-09-07 19:58:51
159.   jujibee
I pray that every GM in baseball is watching this telecast to hear them praise Pierre and how someone should tell the people in LA that he's having a good year. This can only boost the confidence of a GM that might trade for this guy.
2007-09-07 19:59:15
160.   Eric Enders
156 I hereby give you the managerial career of Joe Quinn.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/managers/quinnjo02.shtml
2007-09-07 19:59:29
161.   Gen3Blue
ooooh. Did you catch the ESPN announcers take on Pierre. The folks in LA don't appreciate the year he is having. DT has more influence than you think, perhaps.
2007-09-07 19:59:42
162.   Greg Brock
I went from being ambivalent about Grady to being slightly perturbed.
2007-09-07 20:00:12
163.   Bob Timmermann
156
You would be hard-pressed to find one worse for a fulltime manager except maybe for some people the St. Louis Browns tried out in the 19th Century when Chris Von Der Ahe was changing managers like a drunken George Steinbrenner trying LSD.
2007-09-07 20:00:58
164.   Bob Timmermann
160
And who was the owner of St. Louis in 1895?
2007-09-07 20:01:33
165.   Eric Enders
Ethier was playing Roberts about 10 yards shallower this time around.
2007-09-07 20:01:42
166.   Bob Timmermann
And are Eric Enders and I the only two people here who know who Chris Von Der Ahe was?
2007-09-07 20:02:10
167.   Marty
You want a burger, try this:

http://www.chowhound.com/photos/41903

And it's walking distance from my house.

2007-09-07 20:03:09
168.   Eric Enders
That was a hell of an attempt, but Bison needs to work on his relationship with the wall.
2007-09-07 20:03:34
169.   jujibee
155 Are you kidding me??? Grab some pine meat???? They spend more time talking about people in the stands than they do the game. I forget what they call the writing over people and blacking them out thing, but they are absolutely atrocious.
2007-09-07 20:04:25
170.   Bob Timmermann
Kent must have known that the ball was going to be trouble if Kemp didn't catch it.

Which it was.

That was almost an Ichiro-like homer.

2007-09-07 20:04:28
171.   Sam DC
160 That age 34 comeback didn't really pan out, that's for sure.

Just the depth of the daily drubbings, starting of course with the 30-3, losing the second half of the double header, getting no hit by a guy in his second major league start, giving up 17 to Tampa Bay the other night and multiple other double digit losses crammed into such a short time. It's pretty grim.

Tonight Daniel Cabrera was ejected for throwing at Pedroia's head.

2007-09-07 20:04:41
172.   Eric Enders
169 Not only do I disagree, but I'm calling the question mark police. ;)
2007-09-07 20:04:57
173.   Bluebleeder87
168

I think he's a little gun shy ever since his crash on opening day.

2007-09-07 20:05:13
174.   bhsportsguy
There was a time with a runner on third and two out, any pitcher would walk Pujols. Not tonight.

161 Its been talked about by some local media but it makes sense that "baseball" people like Juan Pierre, he never gets hurt, he works hard, and he doesn't cause any trouble. I think for a manager, those kind of attributes make up for his production.

2007-09-07 20:06:43
175.   Eric Enders
So are we really going to spend the next 190 games holding our breath every time a grounder is hit to third base?
2007-09-07 20:06:51
176.   Gen3Blue
Someone sounds very like Joe Morgan, I hope it isn't Dusty Baker.

The resentment I'm hearing around the leaque about things like the D's defense and inexperience is an auspicious sign for a great future.

2007-09-07 20:08:20
177.   bhsportsguy
An old friend may be winning a start in Dodger Stadium next Wednesday night. And I don't mean Milton Bradley.
2007-09-07 20:10:44
178.   Vaudeville Villain
177

Hopefully it's not Brian Myrow.

2007-09-07 20:11:05
179.   MMSMikey
whats with all these wussy pop ups kent has been hitting of late
2007-09-07 20:11:33
180.   Eric Stephen
I was on the phone and had the game on mute, so I had to rewind to hear the Pierre lovefest. Here is the transcript:

Dave O'Brien: "Speaking of good athletes, here is Juan Pierre. He has singled and scored tonight, really having a nice season. He is 5th in the National League in hits."

Rick Sutcliffe: "Will you repeat that for everybody in LA that thinks he is having a bad year."

O'Brien: "I don't understand that at all. He's almost hitting .300, he's going to have 60 stolen bases plus."

Meanwhile, Pierre fittingly grounded out to second on the first pitch.

Flash forward to the present: Dave O'Brien, when talking about Matt Kemp, he of the .536 slugging percentage, said "this could have been a big power year for him. Yeah, I guess if he was playing everyday in LA instead of Vegas or the bench.

2007-09-07 20:12:01
181.   Greg Brock
I'm really glad the number one third base prospect in baseball is on the bench so that Nomar's fossilized remains can bounce back to the mound.

Grr...

2007-09-07 20:12:36
182.   MMSMikey
what do you know, peavy is pitching on tuesday. thats why he pitched on 3 days rest against arizona, so he can open up the dodgers series. cant wait for that one.
2007-09-07 20:12:46
183.   Gen3Blue
155 You may have a point. I think I am going back. At least they couldn't be worse.

I kind of regret the break with Baker. He obviously hates the D's. But he may be a better baseball guy than some we've had. I don't know who or what did it.

2007-09-07 20:13:00
184.   Bluebleeder87
it looks like Nomar got botox or something...
2007-09-07 20:13:40
185.   Greg Brock
180 When homeless people yell at you on the street, don't argue with them.

Pssst...Their crazy...Ignore them.

2007-09-07 20:14:15
186.   Vaudeville Villain
In Rick Sutcliffe's defense, he was drunk.
2007-09-07 20:15:27
187.   Eric Enders
Dear Barry Bonds:
You suck and I am not afraid of you.

Sincerely,
Chad Billingsley

2007-09-07 20:15:28
188.   Greg Brock
185 That should be "They're"
2007-09-07 20:15:54
189.   JT Dutch
... Nice hustle, Barry.
2007-09-07 20:15:56
190.   bhsportsguy
Barry is slow, really slow.
2007-09-07 20:17:05
191.   Bob Timmermann
If the Cardinals do hold on to win, they move into first place by .0001
2007-09-07 20:17:50
192.   Reddog
That's just great that next season we will have Nomar as our everyday 3rd baseman, at least until he gets hurt.

Plus, we get to look forward to Pierre playing all 162 games in center.

2007-09-07 20:18:00
193.   Marty
This is my last game for a week. I head to Arhus Denmark tomorrow. I hear it's not a big baseball town.
2007-09-07 20:18:26
194.   Eric Enders
The next Nomar bobblehead giveaway should come with a pullstring.

"And Nomar pops it up on the infield..."
"Nomar swings at the first pitch again..."
"Grounder to third, bobbled by Nomar..."
"Low and outside, Garciaparra's out on strikes."

2007-09-07 20:19:28
195.   Bob Timmermann
I'd rather worry about 2008 when this season is over. Many things can change in the offseason.
2007-09-07 20:19:40
196.   bhsportsguy
Boy, everybody just loves to beat up on Nomar.
2007-09-07 20:19:54
197.   Eric Enders
The 1981 World Series twins are now ragging on Ethier's defense.
2007-09-07 20:20:10
198.   JT Dutch
... Wow -- what a great throw from Russ.
2007-09-07 20:20:16
199.   Bob Timmermann
Andrew's idol ties it up in Arizona with an RBI double.
2007-09-07 20:20:23
200.   Bluebleeder87
wow, that is beautiful.
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2007-09-07 20:20:31
201.   Sam DC
1. I'm glad I took the time to figure out what the FJM wonkatalk was all about -- that was pretty funny.

2. Also near the top of FJM is a breakdown of someone talking about Jose Vidro that sits pretty comfortably with that discussion re Juan Pierre.

3. This from the most recent Joe Morgan chat breakdown just struck me as hilarious (it's a longish excerpt, but still just a small part of the whole -- link in the sidebar):

James (Charlotte): Hey Joe, this is probably the 100th time you see this question today but what do you think of Pedro's performance yesterday? Do you think he'll be good enough to be part of the playoff rotation and get the Mets to the World Series?

Ken Tremendous: Now, let's get off to a good start here, Joe. The question is: for the 100th time (probably), what did you think of Pedro's performance yesterday?

Joe Morgan: The difficult question is whether he will stay in the rotation.

KT: Yes, but the actual question -- the one you are being paid to answer -- is: what did you think of Pedro's performance yesterday?

I really believe that guys like Pedro, or Clemens, have an impact on a team even when they are not at their best.

Was he at his best? You can answer that question by answering the original question: what did you think of Pedro's performance yesterday?

Their toughness and confidence is something a team feeds off. I think Clemens has really helped the Yankees as far as mental toughness even though he is only 6-6.

Yes. Okay. That's an interesting comment about a man who is not Pedro Martinez. Quick refresher: the question on the table: what did you think of Pedro's performance yesterday?

So guys like Pedro and Roger bring more than just pitching. But no one can tell what Pedro will do the rest of the way at this point.

Hey -- I have a question, a propos of nothing. What did you think of Pedro's performance yesterday?

We need to see him pitch a few more games,

Other than the one he pitched yesterday? What did you think of Pedro's performance yesterday?

but I am sure the Mets are very glad to have him back even at less than 100%.

Me too, based on how he pitched yesterday, which was: pretty well.

2007-09-07 20:20:46
202.   Greg Brock
A catcher gunning a runner off a breaking pitch is always impressive. Especially a breaking pitch down in the zone.

Nice job, Golden God.

2007-09-07 20:21:05
203.   D4P
After today's games, it looks like the Dodgers will be 1.5 back of the wild card and 2.5 back of the division leader.
2007-09-07 20:21:14
204.   Eric Stephen
197 That has to be a short-term memory thing. Ethier played too deep in the 1st inning, ergo he is a bad defender!
2007-09-07 20:21:50
205.   Greg Brock
196 Only because he's not very good.

Once you get past that, Nomar is alright.

2007-09-07 20:22:26
206.   Gen3Blue
I love it! Mess around with Martin.
2007-09-07 20:23:03
207.   Sam DC
Two more scoreless from Joba.
2007-09-07 20:23:34
208.   JT Dutch
203

... What was that all about? Are you assuming a win based on our overwhelming "attack" at the plate tonight?

2007-09-07 20:23:43
209.   Frip
Baseball has retro jersey games. I wish it had retro fan games, where everyone would have to dress sharp.
2007-09-07 20:24:10
210.   Andrew Shimmin
Århus hosts the GF World Cup (the world's largest handball tournament for women)!
2007-09-07 20:24:18
211.   Eric Enders
It's Loneyrific!
2007-09-07 20:24:29
212.   Eric Stephen
Loney lost it!

Hey, ESPN, there's a game going on. Announce it!

2007-09-07 20:24:33
213.   overkill94
Big Game James!
2007-09-07 20:24:34
214.   Bob Timmermann
203
So what is your method of approximating the number of a certain type of poultry you have in your possession?
2007-09-07 20:24:34
215.   Bluebleeder87
wow, that swing was beautiful by Loney, POWER!!
2007-09-07 20:24:45
216.   JT Dutch
... LONEY!!!!! There's an attack!
2007-09-07 20:25:15
217.   D4P
Are you assuming a win based on our overwhelming "attack" at the plate tonight?

First of all, I'm assuming Loney will hit a homerun.

2007-09-07 20:25:38
218.   Eric Stephen
209 The thing I love about old photos from the 1940s and sooner is that seemingly all the male fans in the stands wore a suit and a hat!
2007-09-07 20:25:43
219.   Eric Enders
I really hope Ken Tremendous is watching this broadcast. Rick Sutcliffe just pimped Jeff Francis to finish second in the Cy voting.
2007-09-07 20:25:49
220.   Bob Timmermann
The Twins led the White Sox 10-4 going to the bottom of the ninth.

It's 10-10 now and the White Sox have the winning run on second with one out.

2007-09-07 20:26:14
221.   D4P
So what is your method of approximating the number of a certain type of poultry you have in your possession?

Simple: I just count the number of eggs.

Number of eggs = Number of poultry.

Duh.

2007-09-07 20:26:16
222.   JT Dutch
217

... I need to criticize our offense more often.

2007-09-07 20:26:33
223.   Gen3Blue
Not a Loney line drive again. his swing is level, and should hit the wall, not go over.
He may be losing his plane, or maybe getting stronger.
2007-09-07 20:27:37
224.   Exick
Helluva throw by Martin.

Loney!

2007-09-07 20:27:44
225.   Eric Stephen
214 Bob, that was the greatest version of that question that has ever been asked.
2007-09-07 20:27:45
226.   Frip
These innings are going by super crazy fast.
2007-09-07 20:28:33
227.   Bob Timmermann
225
Thank you. Being a bureaucrat pays off.
2007-09-07 20:28:36
228.   Eric Enders
The Logan White era breathing its last gasp: Lake Elsinore 3, Inland Empire 0, bottom 5.
2007-09-07 20:31:08
229.   Nagman
Milton Bradley just left the game with an 0-2 count. He fouled off a pitch and immediately grabbed his right side (his original oblique injury was to his left side).
2007-09-07 20:31:12
230.   JT Dutch
... Keep it going, Chad.
2007-09-07 20:32:54
231.   Bob Timmermann
Free baseball in Chicago!
2007-09-07 20:33:52
232.   Lexinthedena
The aptly named "Dusty" Baker moralizing about banned substances...
2007-09-07 20:34:27
233.   Eric Stephen
That pitch to Sanchez was dirty!
2007-09-07 20:35:21
234.   Bluebleeder87
I hope Jonathan Meloan comes in to pitch tonight.
2007-09-07 20:35:52
235.   NorCal-Dodger
Looks like we are getting the good Chad tonite....
2007-09-07 20:36:02
236.   Gen3Blue
Something I've noticed with Loney, if he gets hot he often stays hot. I assume this would be even more likely if he sees a righty next time.
2007-09-07 20:36:05
237.   bhsportsguy
234 Not if this score remains the same, he won't be in this game.
2007-09-07 20:36:16
238.   D4P
I hope Jonathan Meloan comes in to pitch tonight

I hope Billingsley hurls a complete game. But that's just me.

2007-09-07 20:36:33
239.   overkill94
Nick Punto's ruining the comedy of being the first player since 1991 to hit below the Mendoza Line. Stupid 2-4 today brings him up to .201
2007-09-07 20:37:50
240.   Marty
We get the good Chad nearly every game now.
2007-09-07 20:37:55
241.   Bluebleeder87
Crank one out Kemp...
2007-09-07 20:38:15
242.   Gen3Blue
Favorite Giants minute? I hope I formone tonight.
2007-09-07 20:38:16
243.   Eric Stephen
An Adrian Gonzalez fielder's choice cuts the Padre deficit to 5-4, top 7th in Colorado.
2007-09-07 20:38:30
244.   NorCal-Dodger
I think JP should lead-off and Furcal 2nd or 8th.
2007-09-07 20:38:32
245.   Exick
Who's the guy behind the plate? Joyce? I love when he's calling balls and strikes. He sounds like an alarm clock after a called strike.
2007-09-07 20:38:34
246.   Bluebleeder87
238

that works me for too.

2007-09-07 20:38:49
247.   jujibee
Now they say that Juan Pierre has batted into a major league leading 242 times. I know it contradicts the earlier statment, but it is quite comical.
2007-09-07 20:39:14
248.   Jon Weisman
209 - I like that idea.
2007-09-07 20:40:28
249.   overkill94
245 Sounds more like the shrieks of terror from dubbed 70's kung-fu movies to me
2007-09-07 20:41:06
250.   Marty
Stampede!
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2007-09-07 20:41:10
251.   Eric Enders
Now Rick Sutcliffe is speaking in mock Ebonics. What are the chances he is actually sober?

BISON!!

2007-09-07 20:41:14
252.   overkill94
248 Perhaps the theme for the next DT day at the park?
2007-09-07 20:41:29
253.   Bluebleeder87
Matt Kemp hits a BOMP, that thing is GONE anywhere alse
2007-09-07 20:41:41
254.   Exick
Beautiful.
2007-09-07 20:41:46
255.   Eric Stephen
240 Billingsley ERA before my jersey purchase: 3.38

Billingsley ERA after the purchase: 3.00 (including tonight)

2007-09-07 20:42:19
256.   MMSMikey
jeff is hitting some sweet pop ups
2007-09-07 20:42:19
257.   JT Dutch
... Wow, they let Kemp swing 3-0 -- and after the results, Vin is spelling Kemp's name.

Man, it goes without saying, but do I ever like these young guys a lot.

2007-09-07 20:42:35
258.   LeeLacy
Sutcliffe and Baker are embarrassing themselves with the way they're ripping on Kemp while lavishing praise on Pierre.

That being said, it did seem like Kemp could have gotten a triple off that.

2007-09-07 20:42:55
259.   NorCal-Dodger
That's trusting the kid, allowing to swing on 3-0 count! The kid delivers..now time for the vets to come up big.
2007-09-07 20:43:10
260.   MMSMikey
no-arm garcia-pop-up
2007-09-07 20:43:35
261.   Eric Enders
Now Baker and Sutcliffe are talking about Kemp with the sort of disdain usually reserved for serial killers and pedophiles.
2007-09-07 20:43:36
262.   Eric Stephen
Sutcliffe and Baker are killing Kemp for not getting a triple there. Yet, they didn't mention his smart baserunning play (lasting in the rundown) in the first inning.
2007-09-07 20:44:43
263.   bhsportsguy
258 Especially because the play is in front of him, that ball hit the 421 sign on a bounce.
2007-09-07 20:44:58
264.   NorCal-Dodger
I think the Nomar try-out for 3rd should be over...get Andy or Tony in, some plate patience would be appreciated.
2007-09-07 20:45:22
265.   Frip
232 Saying that Dusty is moralizing, isn't saying much. To speak about steroids at all, even if favorably, requires moralizing. For some reason people assume that only con opinions contain a moral element.
2007-09-07 20:45:27
266.   bhsportsguy
5-4 Rockies after 6 1/2 innings.
2007-09-07 20:45:32
267.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
But Baker has said with confidence that Kemp will learn. I haven't seen a non-Dodger announcer yet not impressed with Kemp's tools, but he is awfully raw in so many ways. I like him as much as anyone else, but he does need to do better on the basepaths.

WWSH

2007-09-07 20:46:13
268.   Gen3Blue
Gee, how do Kent,Nomar and Furcal look in the last few games relative to Kemp and Loney.

Sort of a Vet thing.

2007-09-07 20:47:19
269.   LeeLacy
Man, when Billz is in a groove, like he is now, he is awesome to watch.
2007-09-07 20:47:28
270.   Eric Stephen
I'd take a Dodger win in any fashion, but if they happened to win by 2 runs, someone inclined to wager on tonight's contest, for entertainment purposes only, might win $24 of Monopoly money on a bet of $20. Of Monopoly money.
2007-09-07 20:47:53
271.   Greg Brock
267 I think the major complaint is that when a player leads the team in average, slugging, HR's, RBI's, and general awesomeness over a two-month period, it gets a little nit-picky to focus on his mistakes.

He makes mistakes. He's also the best hitter on the team. I'll take his "raw" over everybody else's "medium-well" any day of the week.

2007-09-07 20:47:55
272.   bhsportsguy
The 2003 Draft before your eyes. Chad and Matt.
2007-09-07 20:49:05
273.   immouch
kent's attendance at cal berkely must be some sign of the end times... it's freakish, no?
2007-09-07 20:50:18
274.   Bob Timmermann
273
Not everyone at Berkeley is a member of the IWW.
2007-09-07 20:51:09
275.   JT Dutch
271

... Absolutely.

2007-09-07 20:51:38
276.   Gen3Blue
Darn, just a few more pitches and we would have had this Sanchez guy out of there. It may be late, but make him throw this inning and he is gone.
2007-09-07 20:51:58
277.   Greg Brock
274 But I bet you were, Mr. Workers of the World...
2007-09-07 20:52:59
278.   Indiana Jon
Pretty rare to get this deep into the game with a base on balls for either team.
2007-09-07 20:55:47
279.   immouch
274 - i know, but, still... feels odd to my ears
2007-09-07 20:55:49
280.   Gen3Blue
92 pitches. Is Jack Hirshcorn wearing a Groucho setup or is that his real face?
2007-09-07 20:55:52
281.   bhsportsguy
Of course, 2002 Draft not doing so bad today either.
2007-09-07 20:56:29
282.   immouch
274 - and, don't forget, he's part of a union now...
2007-09-07 20:56:49
283.   Frip
271 What you call people "focusing" on Kemp's mistakes is merely people noticing them.
2007-09-07 20:58:07
284.   Exick
Friggin idiotic 421 notch in Frisco.
2007-09-07 20:58:58
285.   Bluebleeder87
Loney has some really nice swings off of Jonathan Sanchez.
2007-09-07 20:59:02
286.   Gen3Blue
It is better with these announcers than ESPNs. But this one guys brilliance is distracting me.
2007-09-07 20:59:06
287.   Bob Timmermann
The Rockies have tied the NL record for pitchers used in a 9-inning game with 9. That presumes the game will end in 9.

And it's just the 8th.

The extra inning record is 10. The AL record is 10 in a 9-inning game.

2007-09-07 20:59:26
288.   bhsportsguy
5-4 Rockies after 7 1/2.
2007-09-07 20:59:42
289.   immouch
271, et. al., did sutcliff say something bad about kemp? at this point, that's probably an endorsement of some sort. the man is not lucid.
2007-09-07 21:00:15
290.   Eric Enders
So according to Jon's philosophy, Billingsley should not be batting here with 89 pitches, since he will likely only go one more inning.
2007-09-07 21:00:20
291.   Greg Brock
283 Well, that's a fair point. You can "notice" his mistakes, and I'll "notice" what a great hitter he is at such a young age.

I forgive a lot of mistakes when they're attached to a great hitter. So he fouls up on the bases...So does Mark Sweeney. But one guy rakes, and the other guy is Mark Sweeney.

2007-09-07 21:00:29
292.   Exick
So which of Andre's 5 girlfriends is going to comfort him after going 0-3? hehe
2007-09-07 21:00:31
293.   Bob Timmermann
277
I was a radicalist with syndicalist tendencies.
2007-09-07 21:00:53
294.   Gen3Blue
Sanchez has 100 pitches and if he gets left in after the shots he's given, it should be tater time.
2007-09-07 21:02:28
295.   Gen3Blue
Now Furcal--O/3. At one point in his career he would have been due.
2007-09-07 21:02:39
296.   Eric Enders
283 No. That is absolutely, completely wrong. If they discussed the good things he does -- which far outnumber the mistakes -- in equal proportion, then I don't think anybody would be upset. It is people focusing almost solely on the mistakes that really chaps my hide.
2007-09-07 21:03:00
297.   immouch
271, et. al. sutcliff just said billingsly being allowed to swing away was a sign of the manager's confidence... he, uh, didn't mention it was 2 outs... i mean, if he's the guy bagging on kemp i wouldn't sweat it. as somebody, somewhere once wrote... "the hawk does not hunt the fly."... or something like that.
2007-09-07 21:04:40
298.   Greg Brock
293 I like to think of you as the Jonathan Pryce character from "Brazil."

A brilliant man relegated to cog in the machine. Just don't end up like that dude. Didn't work out too well for him.

2007-09-07 21:05:04
299.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
RE: 271

Groan Now that's a strawman. I've listened to Dusty in this broadcast, and he's talked a lot about Kemp's tremendous potential. Phillips did much the same thing; Phillips even endorsed the idea of playing younger players and accepting their mistakes. But, what, they can't comment on Kemp's mistakes, because it rubs us the wrong way in our holy war against the mainstream media's affection for vets?

I like Kemp a lot--he's on my ridiculous 26-keeper fantasy league, along with the likes of Kershaw, LaRoche, Martin, Miller, and Meloan, but I don't see how it's beyond bounds to comment on how Kemp does on occasion make ugly plays in the field.

WWSH

2007-09-07 21:05:07
300.   Frip
296 I've never met such people. Who are they?
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2007-09-07 21:05:59
301.   Eric Enders
In fact, these particular announcers are focusing so excusively on Kemp's mistakes that
(a) They actually -- and inexplicably --criticized him for the heads-up baserunning play that resulted in a first inning run, and
(b) They credited his RBI double to Jeff Kent.
2007-09-07 21:06:04
302.   immouch
baker has just pointed out that running makes you tired. sutcliff agrees...
2007-09-07 21:07:36
303.   Eric Enders
300 Well (and I don't mean this as a Rule 2 violation, but hey, you asked the question), you, for one.
2007-09-07 21:08:21
304.   Bob Timmermann
298
You do know that all the villains in "Brazil" have names that end in "-nn"
2007-09-07 21:08:56
305.   immouch
i love this ump, and i hate bonds. but that was a ball...
2007-09-07 21:09:20
306.   Bob Timmermann
DBacks up 4-2 in the 8th. Rockies extend lead to 6-4 in the 8th.
2007-09-07 21:09:40
307.   Bob Timmermann
Now 7-4 Rox.
2007-09-07 21:10:05
308.   Greg Brock
299 Groan...Why are you talking about "potential?" He's already the best offensive player on the team...right now...at this stage...at present. BEST PLAYER RIGHT NOW.

Yes, he has "potential" on the field. And he is ALREADY the best offensive player.

Groan

2007-09-07 21:10:36
309.   Exick
7-4 Rockies now. Hooray!
2007-09-07 21:10:45
310.   Gen3Blue
Unfortunately yesterday and today, Kent Nomar and Furc, have been making cosistantly ugly plays at the plate. Like six in a row each.
2007-09-07 21:10:58
311.   Eric Enders
For the second consecutive game, the Dodger starting pitcher is not allowed to record another out after being allowed to bat.
2007-09-07 21:11:00
312.   Andrew Shimmin
If Kemp's baserunning never improves, he'll still be very good at baseball. It'd be really great if he gets even better at baseball; no argument there. But he is good.

Manny Ramirez is a head case, but he's good at baseball, too. If he were less of a head case, he'd be even better. But he's not. He's only as good as he is. Which is pretty good.

2007-09-07 21:11:23
313.   Marty
So that's why Grady let Chad hit.
2007-09-07 21:11:55
314.   bhsportsguy
308 Relax. Remember, perfect job, can wake up in the 310 area code.

Okay, now go back to ranting.

2007-09-07 21:11:55
315.   LeeLacy
Billz retires 15 out of 16 batters and then gives up a single to Bonds, and he gets the hook? I don't get it. Why did they have him bat then? He hasn't even crossed the 100-pitch threshold.
2007-09-07 21:11:58
316.   Bluebleeder87
We need a DP with what should be the SLOWEST RUNNERS in the NL.
2007-09-07 21:12:21
317.   capdodger
Oh, Heck.
2007-09-07 21:12:25
318.   Bluebleeder87
ugh, come on Furcal you gotta make that play.
2007-09-07 21:12:28
319.   Eric Enders
I am now waiting for the ESPN guys to criticize Matt Kemp for making that error.
2007-09-07 21:13:15
320.   Bluebleeder87
this has potential HORROR written all over it.
2007-09-07 21:13:23
321.   Marty
Furry probably could have run over and tagged the bag.
2007-09-07 21:13:57
322.   Frip
It was all fun and games, now it's time for that sick feeling.
2007-09-07 21:14:51
323.   Andrew Shimmin
Matt Kemp is responsible for all the wars in the world.
2007-09-07 21:14:57
324.   Greg Brock
I usually take the best student in my class, and find his/her mistakes, and rip the ever-loving hell out of them in front of everybody else.

It's the best way to analyze players, I've found. And it builds confidence.

Good God.

2007-09-07 21:15:20
325.   overkill94
320 Luckily, we only have to face the Giants' offense
2007-09-07 21:15:21
326.   immouch
i'm fuzzy on why proctor is pitching here. billingsly was pitching spectacularly well.
2007-09-07 21:15:27
327.   Bluebleeder87
o.k. sigh or relief there, good job. We still need the DP.
2007-09-07 21:16:40
328.   Greg Brock
You know who else was a terrible baserunner? Jesus. That guy can't go first to third to save his life. Sure, the wine and water thing, the Lazarus thing, and all that jazz.

But he didn't run the bases. That guy sucked.

2007-09-07 21:16:45
329.   JT Dutch
... You could hang your hat and coat on that breaking ball.
2007-09-07 21:16:49
330.   Marty
This is all on Little in my opinion.
2007-09-07 21:16:51
331.   Bluebleeder87
Pierre with his patented joggle of a ball...
2007-09-07 21:17:29
332.   JoeyP
You gotta throw Feliz breaking balls low and away.

Not down the middle.

2007-09-07 21:17:40
333.   capdodger
IBB time?
2007-09-07 21:17:41
334.   capdodger
IBB time?
2007-09-07 21:18:08
335.   Eric Enders
331 If Pierre does actually have a patent on that, then he should sue Nomar.
2007-09-07 21:18:16
336.   Bluebleeder87
329

Proctor is lucky that thing didn't end up in the seats JTDutch.

2007-09-07 21:18:26
337.   Marty
328 He was a terrible carpenter too I've heard. Made Homer Simpson look like a master craftsman.
2007-09-07 21:18:31
338.   immouch
i'm not smart enough to listen to sutcliff. every word he says kills brain cells and i don't have enough to lose.
2007-09-07 21:18:53
339.   overkill94
Why did we pull Chad again?
2007-09-07 21:19:19
340.   JoeyP
BS Scott Proctor.

Good game Billz.

2007-09-07 21:19:22
341.   Bluebleeder87
New ball game, ahhh [shaking head & then tips head down with hands in face]
2007-09-07 21:19:23
342.   Bob Timmermann
The Rockies have Broderick Crawfored the Padres.
2007-09-07 21:19:50
343.   Marty
339 Because Grady is an Idiot, and Matt Kemp.
2007-09-07 21:20:04
344.   Eric Enders
Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid Grady Little.

Take a pitcher out who's pitching brilliantly and then dares to allow a hit to that awful hitter, Barry Bonds.

Then you play the infield back with a runner on third in the seventh inning with a one-run lead? What the hell?

2007-09-07 21:20:43
345.   overkill94
There better be some kind of inside information to absolve Grady for lifting Chad because he was positively rolling until Bonds got that hit and he was still under 100 pitches
2007-09-07 21:20:59
346.   Frip
328 I'd like to see you run in sandles and a frock.
2007-09-07 21:20:59
347.   bhsportsguy
Hey Proctor did his job, he got Molina to roll over and hit a ground ball that Furcal fielded.

That should be at least one out.

He then got a foul out.

He then gave up a single.

He then got a ground out.

He should not have given up any runs.

2007-09-07 21:21:01
348.   Bluebleeder87
Grady Little did make a weird move WITH Bills batting, you gotta admit that..
2007-09-07 21:21:10
349.   Greg Brock
We all know who is to blame here...

Matt Kemp.

2007-09-07 21:21:12
350.   Andrew Shimmin
If OBL were really on the ball, the Carl's Jr. commercials would get a shout out in his videos.
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2007-09-07 21:21:23
351.   Marty
Broderick Crawford was always leaning on the highway patrol car in that series. I've been told it was because he was always drunk.
2007-09-07 21:21:37
352.   JT Dutch
... Is this some sort of a joke? Little wants to turn Winn around, where he's a .350 hitter?
2007-09-07 21:21:53
353.   LogikReader
Hopefully I got this in before it's too late.

I've got to see this. Why on earth didn't Grady Little just put randy on intentionally?

2007-09-07 21:22:32
354.   capdodger
Alert the media: Grady makes poor managerial decisions again.

Of course, Frucal and Kent didn't help.

2007-09-07 21:22:54
355.   LogikReader
Going back to when Bills hit for himself, this whole sequence is like Deja Vu all over again.

Bob, what was that line that Guyantana said...?

2007-09-07 21:23:17
356.   Bluebleeder87
WOW
2007-09-07 21:23:22
357.   JT Dutch
... I don't believe this!!! Unreal.
2007-09-07 21:23:41
358.   Gen3Blue
342 10-4ed? Like it.

but our strategy has seriously sucked.
Hope we win anyway.

2007-09-07 21:23:43
359.   Vaudeville Villain
Ugh. Just ugh.
2007-09-07 21:23:49
360.   LogikReader
Clockwork. The minute Winn came up I had to rush to turn on the computer and get my posts in before the Dodgers officially blew it... at least I made it.
2007-09-07 21:24:05
361.   JoeyP
Tough couple games for Grady.
Beimel against the righty?
2007-09-07 21:24:19
362.   LogikReader
Honestly, I love this. I really do. Ppl need to learn a lesson, and I hope the Dodgers eventually figure out what seems painfully obvious to most of us.
2007-09-07 21:24:20
363.   Eric Enders
I like Grady Little, usually.

But if the Dodgers lose this game tonight, it will have been lost by Grady Little. Period. End of story.

There is only one person stupider than Rick Sutcliffe in that entire ballpark right now. And unfortunately, he happens to be our manager. This whole seventh inning has been a spectacular display of incompetence. I mean, it really is beyond words.

2007-09-07 21:24:56
364.   capdodger
He missed two chances when an IBB might have helped the situation.
2007-09-07 21:25:02
365.   Marty
As JoeyP would say, the Dodgers don't deserve to win this game.

The good news is Kemp can still save us.

2007-09-07 21:25:46
366.   overkill94
I'm usually a Grady apologist, but that last inning made absolutely no sense
2007-09-07 21:26:06
367.   JoeyP
Its possible the players could still bail out Little.

Need some of the 2004 mojo.

2007-09-07 21:26:24
368.   bhsportsguy
If Furcal turns the double play, which 95% of the time he will, this is a nothing inning.
2007-09-07 21:26:55
369.   Greg Brock
363 It's becoming more and more apparent that Grady, while a funny fellow and a fairly competent human being, makes some really baffling decisions.

I hate to harp on managers, but I'm slowly sliding away from the Grady Little fan club.

2007-09-07 21:27:06
370.   Bluebleeder87
363

Theres still plenty of baseball to be played but I hear you Eric Enders.

2007-09-07 21:27:27
371.   Jon Weisman
Point that Kemp has been over-criticized has been made.
2007-09-07 21:27:44
372.   capdodger
368 Hell, if Furcal gets one out on that play it's a nothing inning.
2007-09-07 21:27:49
373.   JT Dutch
363

... Eric, I just don't understand this sort of horrible managing this year. I don't recall Grady making this many errors last season.

To me it's been night and day from one season to the next for Grady.

2007-09-07 21:28:17
374.   Indiana Jon
363 There is only one person stupider than Rick Sutcliffe in that entire ballpark right now.

You didn't see the interview with Lasorda earlier?

2007-09-07 21:28:20
375.   jujibee
Grady didn't burn the double play. The inning would've looked a lot different with 0 runs in 2 out and noone on. The next batter popped out if I remember correctly. This inning was a magnification of a costly error.
2007-09-07 21:28:23
376.   Nagman
Grady's bad night started when he filled out the lineup card.
2007-09-07 21:28:46
377.   ucladodger
I really dont like putting blame on managers because i dont think they have that huge of an impact throughout the season. But, that 7th inning was just absolutely baffling to me. Even with the error, Little deserves blame, even for just turning Winn around where he is a far superior hitter. extremely frustrating turn of events.
2007-09-07 21:28:51
378.   Exick
Dear Grady Little,

An 80-year-old man with a full head of orange hair is questioning your managing decisions. Just thought you should know.

2007-09-07 21:29:56
379.   Bob Timmermann
378
Red Schoendiest is angry?
2007-09-07 21:30:17
380.   Gen3Blue
363 There is one person stupider than Rick Sutcliff.

There may be two, I heard someone say the D's needed a more cerebral manager--like Kevin Kennedy. And that today, or possibly yesterday.

2007-09-07 21:31:03
381.   Frip
It would be nice if managers, as players do, would admit after the games that, "Yea, this ones on me, poor judgment. I just didn't get the job done."
2007-09-07 21:31:23
382.   LogikReader
You know, I'll also say that this doesn't hurt as badly as yesterday's blown lead did (the Padres losing helps).
2007-09-07 21:32:00
383.   capdodger
375 That point is noted, but immaterial. It's the managers job to protect his players from themselves. It's his job to tell them when to pick their spots, and tell them what to do. He orders bunts, and determines who gets pitch to. It's his job to manage, if you will.

Grady has proven on numerous occasions that he makes questionable decisions.

2007-09-07 21:32:00
384.   Vaudeville Villain
Nice at-bat going for Kemp.
2007-09-07 21:33:06
385.   Greg Brock
Matt Kemp is single handedly destroying this season.

Trade him for Jeff Shaw.

2007-09-07 21:33:08
386.   Eric Enders
The exact same pitch that was called Ball 2 was also called Strike 3.

Of course, it probably should have been a strike both times, so I guess I shouldn't complain.

2007-09-07 21:33:30
387.   JT Dutch
... Wow; they're just going to trot Nomar out there until it hurts. Unbelievable.
2007-09-07 21:33:44
388.   Vaudeville Villain
At least we get Nomar's spot in the order out of the way.
2007-09-07 21:33:57
389.   Vaudeville Villain
At least we get Nomar's spot in the order out of the way.
2007-09-07 21:34:04
390.   Eric Enders
385 I would also be willing to take Robert Shaw. Or George Bernard Shaw.
2007-09-07 21:34:14
391.   JoeyP
Pretty early to lift Kent for a pinch runner, unless they think his fielding is that bad.
2007-09-07 21:34:22
392.   JT Dutch
... Yeah, that didn't take long. Thanks, beautiful.
2007-09-07 21:34:32
393.   LeeLacy
Nice patience, Nomar.
2007-09-07 21:34:54
394.   Telemachos
Martin, Loney, Ethier in the ninth. Could be worse.
2007-09-07 21:35:02
395.   ucladodger
386

On first look the ball looked like a strike, but on the replay, i thought it was 2-3 inches inside.

2007-09-07 21:35:04
396.   ucladodger
386

On first look the ball looked like a strike, but on the replay, i thought it was 2-3 inches inside.

2007-09-07 21:35:12
397.   Bluebleeder87
You know what man Furcal makes that Double Play & nothing happens, I'm going with that.
2007-09-07 21:35:13
398.   MMSMikey
thats the kind of approach u want late in the game right there, great job nomar
2007-09-07 21:36:06
399.   Frip
Instead of doing the Carmax poll about what Bonds is gonna do next year, it would've been more interesting to have used Nomar.
2007-09-07 21:36:14
400.   Bob Timmermann
Good to know that Jon's comment in 371 has not had a chilling effect on speech.
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2007-09-07 21:36:37
401.   capdodger
And sticking a .682 into the five-hole doesn't help.
2007-09-07 21:37:02
402.   JoeyP
I couldnt tell if Furcal double clutched bc he couldnt get a grip, or if he did that bc Kent wasnt over to cover the bag in time.
2007-09-07 21:37:11
403.   MMSMikey
beimel gives up so many hits
2007-09-07 21:37:30
404.   Ken Noe
I hope LaRoche starts tomorrow. Nomar looks bored.
2007-09-07 21:37:55
405.   MMSMikey
he must have been rushing cause bengie molina was running down the line, he had to hurry.
2007-09-07 21:38:06
406.   Cornell Blue Fan
Roberto is warming up? Are we giving up?
2007-09-07 21:38:07
407.   Eric Enders
394 I'm having trouble remembering what happened the last time we had Martin, Loney, and Ethier up in the ninth.
2007-09-07 21:38:10
408.   LogikReader
I'll end my stance by reviewing the number of chances blown.

1. Little should have pinch hit for Bills. He got a hit anyway, but there was no point. Just like yesterday's game.
2. If there's going to be a pitching change... Why on earth are you putting in Proctor? Beimel is the 7th inning guy!
3. Randy Winn is the big time Dodger killer, with nobody significant hitting after him. Not intentionally walking him with 1 out and a man in scoring position is inexcusable.
4. Having gotten past that, why does anyone bring in Beimel after the fact, turning around Winn to where he hits 70 points BETTER?

My gut feeling is any one of these four decisions done the right way would at least have preserved a tie. I know about the botched double play but otoh it wouldn't have come to that, in my opinion, had other things been done correctly.

That's all I'll say about that.

2007-09-07 21:38:35
409.   Xeifrank
why is Hernandez warming up? Just getting some excercise??
vr, Xei
2007-09-07 21:38:35
410.   ucladodger
398

Anyone knows how many pitches Nomar has seen tonight? I've seen his last 2 AB's, and that was only 2 pitches. I dont mind first pitch swinging if the pitch is drivable, but Nomar swings at everything on the first pitch. And without any power, his AB's are truly worthless.

2007-09-07 21:39:10
411.   Cornell Blue Fan
I thought Furcal double clutched because he knew he had time with Molina running
2007-09-07 21:39:10
412.   capdodger
397 You know that they let the manager react to changing situations, right? If I'm not mistakem that's part of his job.
2007-09-07 21:39:56
413.   Eric Enders
408 You left out arguably the worst mistake, which was failing to play the infield in during the 7th inning of a one-run game.
2007-09-07 21:39:59
414.   JT Dutch
410

... 7 pitches in 4 at-bats.

2007-09-07 21:40:20
415.   Exick
Furcal definitely double clutched. Even the camera man got fooled. Dunno why exactly, whether he had a transfer problem or Kent wasn't covering fast enough, but that was certainly the source of the error.
2007-09-07 21:41:04
416.   capdodger
NIce catch. Nice DP. Let's hope they get some runs.
2007-09-07 21:41:04
417.   JT Dutch
... That DP reminds me of Greg Maddux last season in Dodger Stadium.
2007-09-07 21:41:31
418.   JoeyP
Nice stab of that rocket Joe.
2007-09-07 21:41:42
419.   Bluebleeder87
This might be a stupid question but is Grady signed for next year? or is Ned waiting till the end of the season to resign him?
2007-09-07 21:42:19
420.   Eric Enders
Barry Bonds has 15 at-bats in his career against Joe Beimel and has made 17 outs.
2007-09-07 21:42:29
421.   LogikReader
413

That's a good point, Eric. eh, you win some you lose some... I used too much energy yesterday to care much, so rational thought takes over.

2007-09-07 21:42:50
422.   jujibee
Hopefully Logan White will have full control to hire whomever he wants to manage in 2008.
2007-09-07 21:43:27
423.   King of the Hobos
410 He's seen 7 pitches. Three 1-pitch ABs, and a 4-pitch AB.
2007-09-07 21:43:28
424.   preacherroe
I hope the ninth is more magic like yesterday. How many times can that happen in one road trip? It felt like we were getting some momentum going which is what makes September baseball what it is. You got your stud young pitcher stepping up, young hitters delivering key hits. It felt like something is shaking. Only to be undone by guys who are seriously slipping into mediocrity.Egads!
2007-09-07 21:43:39
425.   Eric Enders
420 Actually, check that, 16 at-bats and 17 outs.
2007-09-07 21:44:19
426.   capdodger
Oh my God. They blamed Kemp again.
2007-09-07 21:44:22
427.   eusmus
Ahahahah, Sutcliffe blamed Kemp for it! Awesome!
2007-09-07 21:44:44
428.   overkill94
408 I felt that it was perfectly fine to let Billingsley bat in the top of the 7th since there was only a runner on 1st with 2 outs. If they had pinch-hit for him that would be fine, though not ideal. Where it gets truly idiotic is pulling him after only giving up one hit. If he's on such a short leash then you should just pinch-hit for him and get it over with.
2007-09-07 21:45:29
429.   LogikReader
I'll give it another week before we're officially eliminated. We gave it our best shot tonight though :)
2007-09-07 21:46:47
430.   JoeyP
428--Exactly.

Truely bizarre Little did it two games in a row.

2007-09-07 21:46:55
431.   Eric Enders
Oh. My. God.
2007-09-07 21:46:57
432.   LogikReader
HOLY HAT!!!!!!!
2007-09-07 21:47:01
433.   King of the Hobos
Amazing
2007-09-07 21:47:02
434.   Exick
LOOOOOONEY!
2007-09-07 21:47:04
435.   ucladodger
BALLLLLLLLLLLER
2007-09-07 21:47:05
436.   Cornell Blue Fan
OH MY GOSH
2007-09-07 21:47:08
437.   eusmus
Loney! AMAZING!
2007-09-07 21:47:09
438.   Vaudeville Villain
LONEY!!!
2007-09-07 21:47:11
439.   Bluebleeder87
WOO WOO WOO WOO

Loney POWER!!!!

2007-09-07 21:47:14
440.   immouch
HAAAAAA
2007-09-07 21:47:15
441.   dzzrtRatt
"Would you believe..."

I love it. What a guy.

2007-09-07 21:47:23
442.   JT Dutch
... And you spell that L-O-N-E-Y, folks.
2007-09-07 21:47:32
443.   Andrew Shimmin
Some times solipsism doesn't seem all that far fetched.
2007-09-07 21:47:46
444.   JoeyP
There's some 2004 Mojo.
3rd Loney HR in 2 games.
2007-09-07 21:47:47
445.   Bluebleeder87
U N B E L I E V E A B L E!
2007-09-07 21:47:50
446.   LogikReader
429

Of course I was kidding... and I was going to post this just before the hr was hit.

2007-09-07 21:47:52
447.   capdodger
The Kids Say: Don't rain on our parade, fossils.
2007-09-07 21:48:01
448.   overkill94
Grady and Raffy each owe Loney a big steak dinner if we end up pulling this one out
2007-09-07 21:48:15
449.   LeeLacy
LONEY!!!

Big Game James comes through again!

2007-09-07 21:48:18
450.   Frip
I feel like I drifted off and must have dreamed Loney hit a home run.
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2007-09-07 21:48:19
451.   jujibee
OT This morning I was listening to the local sports talk radio 1140AM and heard FP Santangelo talking about a possible trade between the Giants and Drays. Actually it was 2. Here they are:

Carl Crawford for Noah Lowry

Pena for Brad Hennessey

FWIW he was serious.

A little tarde, but right on Loney!!

2007-09-07 21:48:31
452.   Eric Enders
Grady is so relieved that Loney hit that homer. Because now Roberto Hernandez will get a chance to pitch.
2007-09-07 21:48:46
453.   confucius
They should have traded for Teixeira.
2007-09-07 21:49:45
454.   overkill94
Please tell me it'll be Broxton and not Hernandez coming in to pitch the 9th if we're still tied
2007-09-07 21:49:51
455.   Gen3Blue
Loney will never have enough power to be a first baseman.
2007-09-07 21:50:14
456.   capdodger
So... Hernandez?
2007-09-07 21:50:17
457.   preacherroe
I hope the ninth is more magic like yesterday. How many times can that happen in one road trip? It felt like we were getting some momentum going which is what makes September baseball what it is. You got your stud young pitcher stepping up, young hitters delivering key hits. It felt like something is shaking. Only to be undone by guys who are seriously slipping into mediocrity.Egads!
2007-09-07 21:50:24
458.   MMSMikey
ehtier has looked almost as bad as nomar tonight
2007-09-07 21:50:32
459.   Vaudeville Villain
Loney very easily could have had three home runs in this game. He hit it to the deepest part of the park in his last AB.
2007-09-07 21:50:34
460.   JoeyP
Giants must be feel like they are cursed.
Of course, they are with Sabean running them.

But 11 game winning streak for the Dodgers in SF is nuts.

2007-09-07 21:50:45
462.   LogikReader
Man, that thing was smoked, wasn't it?
2007-09-07 21:51:01
463.   Cornell Blue Fan
Love how the kid who wasn't ready to play 4 months ago just bailed Little out
2007-09-07 21:51:15
464.   Gen3Blue
These homers are line drives--they don't really count.
2007-09-07 21:51:18
465.   jujibee
I wonder if Grady will sit Loney tomorrow.
2007-09-07 21:51:21
466.   Frip
Jodie Foster is SO heavy. I don't know what's more stressful, looking at her or just hearing her.
2007-09-07 21:51:47
467.   MMSMikey
broxton
2007-09-07 21:51:49
468.   Bluebleeder87
No way R. Hernandez comes in here right?
2007-09-07 21:52:14
469.   overkill94
Phew, that was a close one
2007-09-07 21:52:16
470.   Bluebleeder87
467

to redeem him self, yes.

2007-09-07 21:52:18
471.   Vaudeville Villain
Broxton...Phew.
2007-09-07 21:52:26
472.   Cornell Blue Fan
Broxtasaurus
2007-09-07 21:52:47
473.   preacherroe
Hey I didn't post that again, but I believe in magic!
2007-09-07 21:53:00
474.   MMSMikey
i thinkfurcal is the one who needs to redeem himself
2007-09-07 21:53:29
475.   LogikReader
Perhaps... perhaps... Sweeney or LaRoche will take over for Nomar if it goes into extra innings.
2007-09-07 21:54:01
476.   capdodger
Shucks.
2007-09-07 21:54:02
477.   Eric Enders
Well, that was quick.
2007-09-07 21:54:08
478.   Fallout
Grace II? or Helton II?
2007-09-07 21:54:19
479.   LogikReader
so much for that
2007-09-07 21:54:21
480.   overkill94
What happened to the version of Broxton that never game up homers?
2007-09-07 21:54:23
481.   MMSMikey
that one hurts
2007-09-07 21:54:30
482.   Vaudeville Villain
Yuck.
2007-09-07 21:54:39
483.   JT Dutch
... And, there we go again.
2007-09-07 21:54:42
484.   dzzrtRatt
Well, that was not a fun ending.
2007-09-07 21:54:43
485.   Exick
Damn.
2007-09-07 21:54:47
486.   Bluebleeder87
oh boy.
2007-09-07 21:55:06
487.   JoeyP
Brox, thats two homers in two days.
This time, Grady wasnt bailed out.
2007-09-07 21:55:16
488.   LogikReader
Well the Giants were overdue, gotta hand it to them.
2007-09-07 21:56:04
489.   JoeyP
Brox picked a bad time to regress to the mean on his homers allowed.
2007-09-07 21:56:13
490.   overkill94
The sad thing is that Grady won't get any of the blame for tonight's loss
2007-09-07 21:56:22
491.   capdodger
488 Well, the Dodgers sure handed this one to them.
2007-09-07 21:56:24
492.   LogikReader
Doesn't hurt me as much as yesterday's would have. Not sure why, I guess the whole karma thing. Just gotta go back at 'em tomorrow.
2007-09-07 21:56:31
493.   Frip
Vin: "...and another day goes by."
2007-09-07 21:56:36
494.   MMSMikey
Pitch 1 - In play, run(s)

Daniel Ortmeier homers (5) on a fly ball to right center field.

2007-09-07 21:56:39
495.   Bluebleeder87
oh well, Tomorrow is another day but these in my book, TRULY DO HURT.
2007-09-07 21:57:17
496.   MMSMikey
i wish we had a competent manager
2007-09-07 21:58:30
497.   Eric Enders
490 He will get some in this post, at least. You can moan about your Furcals and Broxtons. But this loss sits squarely on Grady's shoulders.

This game is the counterexample for those who believe managers don't really have much impact one way or another.

2007-09-07 21:59:20
498.   MMSMikey
i want to hear littles reason fur turning randy winn around. if he doesnt loneyd homer probably puts us ahead in the 9th.
2007-09-07 21:59:25
499.   Bluebleeder87
496

but if Ferkels makes the DP....

2007-09-07 22:01:14
500.   LeeLacy
Boy, that hurts. It just never should have come to that. Saito should have been pitching that inning with the Dodgers still holding (at least) a 2-run lead.
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2007-09-07 22:01:46
501.   Andrew Shimmin
Now I can't decide whether solipsism is fully discredited, or I just hate myself.
2007-09-07 22:02:11
502.   capdodger
Has someone registered firegradylittle.com yet?
2007-09-07 22:02:45
503.   Bluebleeder87
497

You can look at it that way as well, but it's better for my sanity to look at it in my {499 } at least for me it is.

2007-09-07 22:03:11
504.   Fallout
Let me see. The mgr made the Furcal error. Or called the pitch that Broxton threw. Or he brought in the wrong pitcher at the wrong time. Or is it that some people just must complain.
2007-09-07 22:03:35
505.   El Lay Dave
499 Furcal's error could have been overcome, but the managing far from maximized the opportunity. Who do you want Joe Beimel to pitch to, Randy Winn with first base open, or Dave Roberts with the bases loaded. Beimel's not a walk machine; I pick Roberts.
2007-09-07 22:04:18
506.   Disabled List
Furcal is not getting enough blame for his part in the Dodgers' problems this year. His OPS+ is 81. Him and Pierre at the top of the order have been a big vortex of suck all season long.

After tonight's game, I feel like piling on.

2007-09-07 22:05:59
507.   Reddog
In an alternate universe, Grady Little leaves Billingsley in to pitch the 7th and 8th innings, and Saito comes in to save a routine 4-1 Dodger win.

And in that alternate universe, the Dodgers started the season with Loney at first base, and are currently 6 games in front in the West.

2007-09-07 22:06:34
508.   JT Dutch
504

... The manager pulled his effective starting pitcher. The manager batted his two worst hitters 2nd and 5th. The manager brought in a lefty to face a hitter who hits .350 against lefties. The manager didn't bring his infield in in a tie ballgame in the bottom of the 7th.

2007-09-07 22:07:02
509.   Pedro Astacio
shades of Brian Johnson 10 years ago...

oh well, night...

2007-09-07 22:07:27
510.   Gen3Blue
I take it we lost, I was too chicken to watch. But I take the easy way out by feeling Loney, Kemp and Martin did all they could, and couldn't drag the moldering vets over the finish line. Bills looked pretty good too.
2007-09-07 22:09:06
511.   El Lay Dave
Ortmeier's career Slg% as a LHB: .337
career minor league Slg% overall: .433

Blech. Not in the cards, I guess.

2007-09-07 22:09:38
512.   Eric Enders
Furcal has been playing hurt all year long. So he's admirable for his toughness on the one hand, but stupid to the point of hurting the team on the other. Like Gagne, he seems to value his own reputation for toughness more than he cares about the welfare of the team.

He really should have taken a few weeks off to let it heal, especially since this year we happened to have a replacement in the minors who was just as good as the hurting Furcal if not better.

2007-09-07 22:09:52
513.   Bluebleeder87
Good Night my fellow DT'ers

We'll come back fighting tomorrow, the standings don't look all that bad.

2007-09-07 22:10:00
514.   Disabled List
509 At least Barry Bonds didn't do a pirouette. That would mean another ten pennant-less years for the Dodgers.
2007-09-07 22:11:52
515.   Bluebleeder87
512

God Bless you Eric, love your enthusiasm/pain for tonights loss bro.

2007-09-07 22:12:10
516.   El Lay Dave
504 see 505

Dave Robert vs. LHP 2007: .164 .238 .192

2007-09-07 22:12:36
517.   Gen3Blue
506 You have quite a point.

Tho I don't want to get defeatist yet, for I think we have a good chance of making the playoffs--I have been down on the playoffs because of the blow fortune has given our pitching this year. And it is nothing but pure fortune, which is a large part of BB.

2007-09-07 22:12:42
518.   LeeLacy
507 I'm getting on Orbitz right now to see if I can get a ticket to that alternate universe. It's looks pretty good right now.

It's going to take me a while to get to sleep tonight ...

2007-09-07 22:13:07
519.   El Lay Dave
Furcal's error was physical; Grady's errors were mental.
2007-09-07 22:13:21
520.   Fallout
508 JT Dutch
The mgr also got severely criticized for leaving in Lowe too long against the Cubs. So, this time he pulls his starting pitcher too early? He didn't bring the infield in to keep away from a big inning. Pitching to Winn was a decision that could be questioned more than the others.
2007-09-07 22:16:26
521.   dzzrtRatt
512 "He really should have taken a few weeks off to let it heal, especially since this year we happened to have a replacement in the minors who was just as good as the hurting Furcal if not better."

Except I doubt Colletti would've used him (if you mean Hu). He would've traded for somebody we all would've hated.

2007-09-07 22:16:41
522.   Bluebleeder87
519

your damned if you do & YOUR DAMNED IF YOU DON'T.

o.k. I'm really out.

2007-09-07 22:16:58
523.   capdodger
499 Grady set into motion a chain of events where that non-DP would hurt. Why not hit for Chad? Why pull him after a single to Bonds?

Furthermore, he allowed it to snowball when he could have taken actions to prevent it from becoming a three run inning.
Why not IBB Vizquel? You've got Brox in the pen and a favorable split on a PH, plus it sets up a force anywhere.
If you're going to pitch to him, bring the infield in. He's slugging .299.
Why not IBB Winn? Again, this gives you a DP potential, Roberts at the plate, and Beimel coming in.

So, by my count that's five tactical errors that GL made that helped lead to the Giants three runs. Players play. Managers manage. Grady watches.

2007-09-07 22:17:08
524.   LogikReader
That's the one that killed me, pitching to Winn. But its pointless to cry over spilled milk now. College Football tomorrow, a big home stand, cooler weather, there's so much to live for right now I can't let one idiot manager ruin it for me.
2007-09-07 22:20:46
525.   Frip
506 "Furcal and Pierre at the top of the order have been a big vortex of suck all season long."

Indeed

2007-09-07 22:23:08
526.   regfairfield
506 Furcal's D has been amazing this year. If you start blaming him for the Dodger's problems, you might as well start blaming Russ.
2007-09-07 22:26:36
527.   Frip
523 Well done.
2007-09-07 22:27:09
528.   capdodger
520 The mgr also got severely criticized for leaving in Lowe too long against the Cubs. So, this time he pulls his starting pitcher too early?

Yes. He let that pitcher hit then pulled then pulled him on his 94th pitch after giving up a single to the "Greatest Hitter in the Game". At least let the kid, who's been nearly the best pitcher on the team for the last month, try to pitch to a mere mortal.

He didn't bring the infield in to keep away from a big inning.
How'd that work out for him? Vizquel isn't going to cause a big inning. He's batting .241 and slugging .299. If he insists on pitching to him, try and hold the runner at third.

Pitching to Winn was a decision that could be questioned more than the others.

Aye.

2007-09-07 22:28:27
529.   Disabled List
526 Right. Also, my golf game has been terrible lately, so I might as well start blaming Tiger Woods.
2007-09-07 22:29:17
530.   capdodger
Feh... I really should go to bed. I've got a (small) bathroom to demo tomorrow.
2007-09-07 22:29:18
531.   Eric Enders
Yeah, his defense has been amazing. But it hasn't quite made up for his hitting. Jon referenced Izturis before, and I think that's not a bad comparison. Furcal v.2007 is sort of like Izturis v.2005.

Furcal's great defense doesn't mitigate the fact that we've had ample opportunity to put him on the DL, get him healed, and temporarily fill his spot with a guy who is (a) likely a better hitter, and (b) "already the best defensive shortstop in the National League," according to Baseball Prospectus yesterday.

2007-09-07 22:32:05
532.   El Lay Dave
520 Lowe had allowed eight baserunners, including an uncharacteristic four walks in his six innings. He was pretty clearly laboring. Billingsley had allowed four hits and NO walks before Bonds singled and was pretty sharp, about 15 pitches / inning.

Also, Lowe had only a one-run lead when he hit, Bills had two.

2007-09-07 22:32:48
533.   Indiana Jon
Furcal is barely a better hitter than Pierre. That's not only this year, his career numbers are only slightly better. Many people are blaming it on his injury this year, which may have contributed, but the fact is he just isn;t that good and we spent too much on him.
2007-09-07 22:34:15
534.   capdodger
531 ... and temporarily fill his spot with a guy who is (a) likely a better hitter, and (b) "already the best defensive shortstop in the National League," according to Baseball Prospectus yesterday.

Nomar?

2007-09-07 22:39:59
535.   El Lay Dave
533 But Furcal's hitting numbers were rising, and Pierre's were falling. Look at their OBPs for their careers (2000-2006):

Furcal: .394, .321, .323, .352, .344, .348, .369
Pierre: .353, .378, .332, .361, .374, .326, .330

This year (before tonight), Pierre's .325 follows the trend, while Furcal's .339 is, perhaps, unexpectedly low (and how much is due to the ankle injury?).

2007-09-07 22:41:41
536.   JoeyP
504--Little was playing Jim Tracy-ball the last two games (letting your pitcher bat, then pulling him in the bottom half of the inning).

Its just stupid, incompetant baseball and teams deserve to lose when they do that.

2007-09-07 22:41:55
537.   Indiana Jon
535 Bottom line is Furcal is the worst position player making that amount of money in baseball. As is Pierre at his price.
2007-09-07 22:42:59
538.   eusmus
The only SS in the NL with more errors than Furcal is Hanley Ramirez. A lot of scouts thought Chin-Lung Hu was the best defensive SS in all of the minor leagues. When you combine this with his with Furcal's sub .700 OPS and his diminished speed, it's easy to see that he is one of the biggest liabilities on this team.
2007-09-07 22:43:10
539.   El Lay Dave
531 I was advocating some extended rest for Furcal by adding a few off days around the All-Star break. I think Diamond Leung asked Grady about this and Grady said something along the lines of that there was no way that Furcal wanted days off.
2007-09-07 22:43:44
540.   Disabled List
533 Furcal has been a marginally better player than Pierre over his career. He's had five season with an OPS+ between 96 and 109; Pierre has only had two. He has 77 career homers, Pierre only has 12, and defensively, they're not comparable.

Unfortunately, this year, Pierre and Furcal have been the Gruesome Twosome. It's disturbing how similar their stat lines are:

Furcal .274/.339/.358
Pierre .291/.325/.349

They've swallowed up over 1,230 plate appearances with all that suck. Any discussion of the Dodgers' offensive woes in 2007 should start right here.

2007-09-07 22:44:29
541.   JoeyP
531--I think you mean Izturis 2004.

Izturis in 2005 was horrible. And 2006, and pretty much every year of his career except 2004, including the minors.

I dont think there's any comparison between Izturis and Furcal.

I think Izturis may go down as one of the most overrated Dodgers of all time. JMO.

2007-09-07 22:45:17
542.   Disabled List
Addendum to 540 : They've swallowed up over 1,230 plate appearances and $22 million worth of payroll with all that suck.
2007-09-07 22:45:40
543.   Eric Enders
539 I understand Furcal didn't want the time off. Fortunately, though, Rafael Furcal is not the general manager of the Los Angeles Dodgers.
2007-09-07 22:47:07
544.   El Lay Dave
537 Really? How about J. D. Drew's line of .252 / .353 / .378 as a RIGHT FIELDER?
2007-09-07 22:49:28
545.   El Lay Dave
543 Exactly. Grady should have done what was right for the team and started Abreu and Betemit* for a few games at SS around the AS break. Dodgers had an four-day break, so three games off around it would have been a week's rest for that ankle.

*LA still had him then, and if he can sub for Jeter for day, he can rest Furcal.

2007-09-07 22:49:29
546.   Eric Enders
541 No, I meant Izturis 2005. Although it's not really a great comparison, because Izturis 2004 was significantly better than Furcal 2007, while Izuris 2005 was significantly worse. There is no Izturis season that matches up perfectly to Furcal's 2007. One of them was better and the rest were worse.

Which really means I should have followed Jon's lead and just dismissed the comparison.

2007-09-07 22:50:06
547.   capdodger
533 Furcal's OPS+ has been at or above 100 for three of the last four years. That's not position adjusted, and he has played a fine shortstop. He has the power to hit 10 to 15 home runs a year.

Pierre has had one year in the last four above 100. Right now, he has an OPS+ of 74. He has hit 12 home runs in his career.

2007-09-07 22:52:56
548.   Eric Stephen
537 Furcal - .274/.339/.358, 81 OPS+, great defense at SS, $13m

J.D. Drew - .252/.353/.378, 92 OPS+ as a corner OF, $14m

Jason Kendall - .243/.299/.310, 62 OPS+ at C, $13m

2007-09-07 22:55:55
549.   Eric Stephen
541 Was Izturis 2004 significantly better than Furcal 2007?

Izturis 2004 - .288/.330/.381, 81 OPS+
Furcal 2007 - .274/.339/358, 81 OPS+

2007-09-07 22:58:22
550.   Eric Enders
549 The league and park adjustments are different, and you have Izturis' OPS+ wrong: it was 88 as opposed to Furcal's 81 (which probably dropped to 79 or 80 tonight).
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2007-09-07 23:00:34
551.   Eric Stephen
541 ,549 Expanding, from The Hardball Times' win shares:

Izturis 2004: 18.2 batting/6.9 fielding/25.1 total
Izturis 2005: 2.5/3.6/6.1 total
Furcal 2007: 8.5/6.9/15.4 total

2007-09-07 23:00:39
552.   El Lay Dave
Furcal 2006 earned his money though:
.300/.369/.445 OPS+ 107 quality SS.
2007-09-07 23:01:48
553.   Eric Stephen
550 You are right, Eric. That was a cut and paste error on my part.

Win Shares bears out your point.

2007-09-07 23:04:08
554.   Indiana Jon
I would rather have Drew than Furcal any day. I had no idea Kendall made that much though or I wouldn't have made that comment about Furcal being the worst. He is still quite bad though at that price.
2007-09-07 23:08:35
555.   Eric Stephen
554 Even with his poor hitting this season, Furcal's defense has boosted his win shares to 57th in the NL. It's not great, but it's pretty good. Especially when you factor in that he's been hurt most of the year (even though his stubbornness is his own fault).
2007-09-07 23:11:19
556.   El Lay Dave
555 The Dodgers made that financial commitment to Furcal for the 2006-2008 seasons. Where did he rank in win shares for 2006?

554 I would rather be stuck with Furcal as my SS this year than Drew as my RF this year.

2007-09-07 23:17:20
557.   Daniel Zappala
Pulled in the bottom of the ninth on KNBR while driving home from SLC tonight. Not a great time to tune in, but it was still nice to hear a game on the radio. It's been a long time since I've done that.

The Dodgers will get them tomorrow.

2007-09-07 23:21:15
558.   Eric Stephen
556 Furcal had 26.8 win shares in 2006 (20.1 batting / 6.7 fielding), good for 12th in the NL.
2007-09-07 23:28:22
559.   Eric Enders
Furcal has a halfway decent shot at the Hall of Fame if you go by his list of most similar players:
Ray Durham (954)
Paul Molitor (947) *
Lou Whitaker (943)
Chuck Knoblauch (939)
Ryne Sandberg (937) *
Tony Fernandez (934)
Joe Morgan (934) *
Jason Kendall (933)
Woody English (932)
Craig Biggio (927)

Izturis:
Bill Russell (964)
Royce Clayton (964)
Marty Marion (961)
Rafael Ramirez (960)
Terry Turner (960)
Steve Yerkes (960)
Jose Oquendo (958)
Jackie Hayes (958)
Bucky Dent (957)
Jerry Remy (957)

2007-09-07 23:33:41
560.   underdog
Well if you're all feeling terribly pained by this loss, at least you weren't there in person tonight! Actually, it was still fun even sitting in the bleachers, and even ultimately having to take the usual garbage and ribbing from bizarrely cocky Giants fans; lots of good natured banter there, too. And Dodger Thoughts North still had a good time - Fanerman, Louis, Paul, Icaros, and Vishal, and myself.

Icaros and I decided we shouldn't watch games together any more, until some kind of magick ritual at least, because we're bad luck in that case. 0-fer-2 in TV games, 0-fer-1 in person (though we did both attend the Dodgers blow out of the Giants a couple of months ago).

Also, in the bottom of the 9th, we all collectively jinxed it or tried to unjinx it unsuccessfully. Vishal said, "I really don't want to see a walk off. I've never seen the Dodgers lose in a walk-off." I said, "I've seen Feliz do it before, could see that happening." Then, infamously, I added, "Watch, Ortmeier will hit one out." A last second attempt at the reverse jinx is quickly foiled! I don't know why I felt so unconfident in the 9th when it was tied and the Bull was in there, but I did.

Look, we can all overanalyze this one to death, and I agree, Billingsley should have either been pinch hit for and then they bring in Beimel, or you leave him in there longer. Giving up one hit should not have spelled the end. But the fact is, they botched a double play, Broxton gave up a home run to a guy he shouldn't give up one too, and various other things where players didn't get things done. So I think Grady did some things wrong tonight but the players and pitchers had plenty of chances to put this one away and to then keep it tied and didn't do it. Broxton is totally the guy I'd want there in the 9th with the game tied.

Tough one.

I definitely think Nomar contributed nothing by being in there tonight and hope he isn't in there tomorrow. I think all of us at the game together thought LaRoche would have grabbed that line drive that scored a run (not at all an easy play mind you, but for a taller, rangier 3rd baseman, it was do-able.) And he looked feeble at the plate.

Oh well. We saw Loney smash two of them out of there, which was sweet. Bills looked real good overall.

The Dodgers have to take the next two, but it won't be easy. Especially since they never seem to do well with Fox day games on Saturdays. But take comfort in knowing that I won't be there at least!

Be kind to each other. We're all we've got!

2007-09-07 23:36:36
561.   Eric Stephen
Time to think positive. Still only 2.5 out of the wild card, with two more games to play in our home away from home, The House That Kevin Elster Built.

The 25 & Under Group (stats through tonight's game)
Martin, 24 years old, .298/.381/.477
Kemp, 22, .342/.373/.539
Loney, 23, .317/.370/.502
Ethier, 25, .287/.351/.451
Billingsley, 23, 128.2 IP, 10-4, 3.22 ERA, 123/50 BB/K
Broxton, 23, 72.1 IP, 2.36 ERA, 86/23 BB/K

2007-09-07 23:43:10
562.   Eric Stephen
560 "Especially since they never seem to do well with Fox day games on Saturdays"

Dodgers are only 3-4 in Saturday day games this season, but they are 2-0 in such games in SF! Fear not.

2007-09-07 23:45:46
563.   underdog
562 Well... maybe since I won't be there in person, too, they have a chance at least.
2007-09-07 23:49:14
564.   underdog
This note on Dodgers.com depressed me though: "Little said he will start Hillenbrand at first base for Loney and Luis Gonzalez in left field Saturday against Barry Zito. Hillenbrand is 5-for-11 against Zito, Gonzalez 6-for-12 with a homer. Loney is 0-for-3."

I wonder if this is still his decision, now that Loney homered twice tonight? 0-3, not exactly a lifetime. And Nomar will probably be in there again tomorrow, too. Sigh.

2007-09-07 23:53:13
565.   Eric Stephen
Since August 14, the date Kemp became a more-than-part-time player, he has started 17 of 23 games, and has hit .400/.412/.650 in 85 PA, with 15 runs and 14 RBI.
2007-09-08 00:08:34
566.   El Lay Dave
558 Thank you. That's not too shabby indeed.

564 Someone tell Grady immediately that Hillenbrand last batted against Zito in 2002! (True.) Zito splits this year are about a wash. Loney hits lefties. Please start James!

2007-09-08 00:17:31
567.   Vishal
564 loney was 0 for 3 against brad hennessey until tonight. 0 for 3 is meaningless.

DT SF crew: i had a great time hanging out with you guys, despite the disheartening loss. i'm looking forward to more fun times (hopefully made all the better by dodger wins) in the future. it was really nice to meet you all, and see icaros again.

2007-09-08 00:24:19
568.   King of the Hobos
564 Nomar and Gonzo seem like foregone conclusions, but I don't think Grady can actually sit Loney after he hits 3 homers in 2 games. But what do I know?
2007-09-08 00:26:36
569.   Eric Enders
I've been hesitant thus far to join the "Grady Must Go" bandwagon, but if he actually trots out Hillenbrand, Gonzalez, Pierre, and Nomar tomorrow in the middle of a pennant race, that is seriously close to a firing offense.
2007-09-08 00:29:36
570.   King of the Hobos
It was hinted that the end was coming earlier in the thread, but the end of the season for the Dodgers' minor league teams has finally come. Inland Empire lost 8-2, and they never really put up a fight in this game. At least Pedroza went out with a bang, going 3-4 with 2 doubles.
2007-09-08 00:30:16
571.   Andrew Shimmin
Furcal 2007 sOPS+ for a SS: 90
Drew 2007 sOPS+ for a RF: 84 (omits the 24 PA he's had in other positions in which he's 6/20 with 4 BBs and 1 2B)
Pierre 2007 sOPS+ for a CF: 78
2007-09-08 00:32:15
572.   kngoworld
Mr. Frank M. should send a message to the whole team and organization by firing Grady Little tomorrow. The message, "the Dodgers are going young," needs to be brought out in the open so there is no confusion. No more of this dancing around the subject. No more using Gonzo because his split stats are better then Ethier/Kemp who have less service time but have out performed him all season long. No more throwing Nomar and Hillenbrand out on the field with better options available in Loney and LaRoche. The kids have done more then prove themselves at a major league level (with LaRoche being the only exception, but he should follow in the footsteps of those before him, if given the chance). Little obviously caters to the veterans and he might be great at managing player's feelings and emotions, but his real job duty is to field the best possible team. I would bet that for 80% of the games this season he has not fielded the best possible team with the players Colletti has made available to him. Some would argue that that number should be 100% solely on Pierre playing everyday, but that is a different story (sorta). Upper management has set the path to let the young players play, but something is stalling this from taking place and it appears to be Grady. Even if it is not Little and others are pressuring him to use veterans, someone needs to be the scapegoat and that is usually the manager's role to fill.

If Frank fires Grady and releases a quote along the lines of differences of player personal decisions, everyone will know what he means. We have saved these kids from trades for years now; it is time to let them play, EVERYDAY.

Some might say that Colletti has just as much to do with wanting to play the veterans over the young as Grady does but I don't buy it. I believe Grady:

Signed Nomar as insurance, incase Loney or Betemit was not ready yet (had to go two years to keep "the fan favorite").

Signed Gonzo as insurance incase Kemp and Either needed more seasoning at AAA.

Brought in Sweeney because Seanz was not cutting it anymore.

Brought in Hillenbrand because Nomar and LaRoche were both hurt at the same time.

Sure, Colletti signed all these players, but I do not believe he thought they would all be getting regular playing time this deep into the 2007 season.

It is Grady Little who plugs these aging veterans in the lineup on a day to day basis.

Grady should be fired for his starting lineups and his game time decision mistakes are just the icing on the cake.

Frank, please send a message to the whole organization. Please play the best possible team everyday.

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2007-09-08 01:10:29
575.   Bob Timmermann
Time to go to sleep now, Brock.
2007-09-08 01:16:20
576.   Greg Brock
575 I was about to send you an email, asking you to clean things (574) up. Thanks, Bob.
2007-09-08 07:12:30
577.   D4P
Little said he will start Hillenbrand at first base for Loney and Luis Gonzalez in left field Saturday against Barry Zito. Hillenbrand is 5-for-11 against Zito, Gonzalez 6-for-12 with a homer. Loney is 0-for-3

Brilliant. Hey Grittle, what about this:

Pierre vs. Zito: .167/.286/.167/.452

2007-09-08 07:21:34
578.   Frip
573 "Matt Kemp was the unnamed witness in the Dreyfuss Affair."

I know you're being facetious, but there is in fact some evidence of this. (And not all circumstantial).

2007-09-08 07:35:09
579.   Bluebleeder87
Theres no balance in the Dodgerdugout:

Grady Little: makes questionable pitching moves (to be fair that's my only peeve with him, like the guy)

Rick Honeycutt: Grady Little does his job, why is he even a pitching coach?

Rich Donnelly: I don't even have to explain him.

Mariano Duncan: He's the only balanced coach out there.

2007-09-08 07:36:28
580.   Howard Fox
572 you may be entirely correct, but we aren't privy to possible directives handed down from Coletti...he was trained by Sabean to value experienced players...some people have an eye for such things...

don't get me wrong, I do not like Little at all, and I would like him gone, but it is just possible the problems lie with Coletti

2007-09-08 07:38:45
581.   Howard Fox
to finish my thought in 580 , that being said, sitting Loney (3 homers in 2 days, swinging the bat as well right now as anyone in the majors) for anyone, let alone Hillenbrand, is a crime...
2007-09-08 07:46:46
582.   Bluebleeder87
And Dodger Thoughts North still had a good time - Fanerman, Louis, Paul, Icaros, and Vishal, and myself.

Man, Vishal lives the good life, studying in China visiting Europe, New York & traveling all over Cali, Is he the most interesting man in the world??

2007-09-08 07:51:23
583.   Jon Weisman
New post up top.
2007-09-08 10:08:06
584.   Vishal
582 hah! thanks, man. i try. :)

but seriously, that does kind of put things in perspective for me, though. i guess my life isn't so boring after all.

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