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September 8 Game Chat
2007-09-08 11:54
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

Today's 12:55 p.m. game:

Gameday

Retro Gameday

Comments (531)
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2007-09-08 12:12:24
1.   trainwreck
It is getting to the point where I feel like we have to run the table to make the playoffs.
2007-09-08 12:14:19
2.   Connector
[reposted from last thread]
Hi everybody -
One of the factors affecting the pennant race which I haven't heard discussed is the fatigue factor: How many rest days remain for each team? How many time zones must teams travel though in these last 3 weeks? There is quite a difference between team schedules. For example, while the Dodgers and the D-Backs have 3 days off, the Pads only have one day (Sep 10!). The Dodgers, also, do hardly any traveling, while both the D-Backs and the Pads are earning lots of frequent flyer points.

Another factor is the home/away winning % combined with the winning % against each division. The Diamondbacks, for example, are only .479 against western division teams.

Still another factor is the home field advantage which plays a huge role in the last week of the season: Where does each competing team finish the season? At home? or away? The Dodgers finish the season with 6 home games, while the D-backs are away for 6, and the Pads are away for 7.

I did some research before Friday night's game and the results, I believe, are surprising, and even exciting.

METHODOLOGY TO DETERMINE FATIGUE FACTOR: I gave one win per each rest day, and one loss per each 5 times zones of required travel.

METHODOLOGY TO DETERMINE WIN FACTOR: I multiplied the number of home games remaining by the current (Sep 7, am) home win%, ditto the away games by the away win%, and averaged that sum with the # of games and win% against each division

METHODOLOGY TO DETERMINE HOME FIELD ADV
I gave one win for each final-week series at home, and one loss for each final-week series away (max. 2 wins or 2 losses).

from Fri 7 sept till end of season:

DODGERS:
Win factor: 11.5 wins
Rest factor: 2.6 wins
Home field factor: 2 wins
record Sep 7 till end of season: 16-6
final record: 90-72

D-BACKS
Win factor: 10.5 wins
Rest factor: 1.6 wins
Home field factor: 2 losses
record Sep 7 till end of season: 10-11
final record: 88-74

PADRES
Win factor: 12.9 wins
Rest factor: 0.2 loss
Home field factor: 2 losses
record Sep 7 till end of season: 11-12
final record: 87-75

ROCKIES
Win factor: 12.1 wins
Rest factor: 1.8 wins
Home field factor: 1 win, 1 loss
record Sep 7 till end of season: 13-10
final record: 85-77

I calculated the wild card teams,too:
Phillies: 13-10, so final record 86-76
Brewers: 14-9, so 85-77
Cardinals: 9-16, so 78-84
Cubs: 11-12, so 82-80
Braves: 10-12, so 81-81

Needless to say, these estimates are based upon past performance, only, and do not take individual performance or streak-quirks into account.

2007-09-08 12:16:48
3.   imperabo
1 Is there anyway we can start by pocketing the magic 8 ball?
2007-09-08 12:16:57
4.   dzzrtRatt
But what if you're 8th inning pitcher -- in his first full season -- starts to show fatique?
2007-09-08 12:22:21
5.   Bluebleeder87
4

I was thinking the same thing, & I really feel Broxtons pitch to Soriano was a darn good one (He hit it almost off the ground!) & the pitch to the Giants hitter last night was basically a badly located pitch, I'm sure The Bull™ will be fine, just a little run of bad luck that's all.

2007-09-08 12:24:08
6.   Bob Timmermann
The Giants are starting:
Davis
Schierholtz
Winn
Feliz
Aurilia
Ortmeier
Rodriguez
Frandsen
Zito
2007-09-08 12:27:37
7.   Andrew Shimmin
6- Mmm, September baseball--catch the fever!

I've just discovered that not only is Versus a real channel, but it's one that I get. So, I've got that going for me.

2007-09-08 12:32:04
8.   underdog
Ortmeier and Schierholtz, Dodger killers '07!
2007-09-08 12:35:26
9.   Andrew Shimmin
Rosenthal is creeping me out. What's he so smiley about?
2007-09-08 12:40:51
10.   trainwreck
9
He really loves Dan Evans.
2007-09-08 12:47:53
11.   Bob Timmermann
I thought Oregon's uniforms had no names on the back, but instead they have gray letters on a white jersey.
2007-09-08 12:56:09
12.   Eric Enders
I had no idea Mark Twain won the Cy Young Award.
2007-09-08 12:56:34
13.   Eric Enders
Loney's T-shirt is awesome!
2007-09-08 12:57:05
14.   King of the Hobos
Hillenbrand owns a zebra?
2007-09-08 12:57:16
15.   Icaros
I love Andy. That was funny.
2007-09-08 12:57:21
16.   Bob Timmermann
And you thought you wouldn't see LaRoche today.
2007-09-08 12:57:42
17.   Eric Stephen
Love the "Deploy the Tomato" shirt sported by Loney.
2007-09-08 12:58:25
18.   Bob Timmermann
"Zito needs to become acclimated to the new league."

Yes, Barry, these hitters are usually a lot worse than you faced in the AL.

2007-09-08 12:59:02
19.   Eric Enders
4 "But what if you're 8th inning pitcher -- in his first full season -- starts to show fatique?"

Clearly you do not mean our 8th inning pitcher, who pitched his first full season last year -- and September was his strongest month.

2007-09-08 12:59:11
20.   King of the Hobos
So the Giants won yesterday because their youngsters have more reckless abandon?
2007-09-08 13:00:38
21.   Bob Timmermann
20
That may be reading a bit much into a throwaway line.
2007-09-08 13:02:47
22.   Eric Stephen
Highest batting average, LA Dodger history (minimum 200 PA):

Piazza (1997), .362
Piazza (1995), .346
W.Davis (1962), .346
Kemp (2007), .342

2007-09-08 13:04:10
23.   Eric Enders
Time for a double steal?
2007-09-08 13:05:11
24.   Eric Stephen
Zito's curve is extra nasty today.
2007-09-08 13:06:15
25.   Bob Timmermann
I guess a lot of us here don't like people.
2007-09-08 13:07:49
26.   Bob Timmermann
22
Piazza's mark was topped seven times in Brooklyn.
2007-09-08 13:08:02
27.   Eric Enders
That Grady Little, he's a genius.
2007-09-08 13:08:17
28.   Eric Stephen
Thank god Gonzo is in the lineup! ;)
2007-09-08 13:08:40
29.   Andrew Shimmin
25- I like people. Just not most people.
2007-09-08 13:08:57
30.   trainwreck
I have never heard so many cheers for a home run hit by a Dodger in San Francisco.
2007-09-08 13:09:18
31.   Greg Brock
Very good year
Model of consistency
Veteran presence

Is Eric Karros on autopilot today?

2007-09-08 13:09:55
32.   Connector
A lot of Dodger fans in the park
2007-09-08 13:10:13
33.   Eric Stephen
26 That brings to mind something Vin said the last couple of years when Gonzo was in Arizona, something to the effect of "it's not often when your team's best player is also your best human."

That always struck me as odd, overstating the "he's a nice guy" point.

2007-09-08 13:11:51
34.   Andrew Shimmin
32- Just imagine how many there'll be in a couple more innings.
2007-09-08 13:12:27
35.   Eric Enders
On FOX games, for whatever reason, the Dodger lineup readers always do a better job than the opposition.
2007-09-08 13:12:36
36.   MJW101
Grady is getting closer and closer to the Tracy management by intuition style. However, Grady has the same problem Tracy had, that being having NO intuition at all.

All the psychobabble Grady spouts when he posts an idiotic lineup is just BS. His job is not to keep harmony in the dugout, but to put the best 8 available position players on the field EVERY game. He has failed to do that in 2007.

He obviously needs a better bench coach to assist him in deciding pitching changes.

2007-09-08 13:12:55
37.   gpellamjr
34 Do Dodger fans get to the game late even in SF? Jerks.
2007-09-08 13:13:19
38.   underdog
31 That cracked me up. He had a very good half year, Karros meant to say. Then he should've stopped at that. But I greatly enjoyed that veteran home run!

32 Fortunately this Dodger fan isn't there, or they'd already be losing 3-0.

Okay off to get second hand stoned. Later taters!

2007-09-08 13:13:56
39.   Gagne55
This Giants lineup is pathetic. Zito, Aurillia, and Winn are the only recognizable major leaguers.
2007-09-08 13:14:08
40.   gpellamjr
I am now calling for the benching of Pierre in favor of Gonzo! Kemp can handle CF!
2007-09-08 13:14:17
41.   Andrew Shimmin
The single biggest thing you can say about David Wells, actually, is his bra size.
2007-09-08 13:14:52
42.   nick
for all you fans of TV announcing, so far Wells has been dubbed a "proven winner" and Kemp evaluated as possessing "a ton of potential"...
2007-09-08 13:15:01
43.   Gen3Blue
Its another Gameday saturday.

It seems there have been very few games opened this way this year

2007-09-08 13:15:43
44.   Bob Timmermann
36
Wouldn't it be the pitching coach who would advise on relievers. The bench coach is usually around to advise on all the other stuff. Honeycutt might say, "I think Billingsley can go for X more batters. We've got Proctor and Beimel available."

Jauss would then say, "You've got two lefties and a righty up the next inning for the Giants."

Eventually, they'd just call up Robert McNamara and ask his opinion.

2007-09-08 13:15:55
45.   nick
Wells could throw a complete game against these punks....
2007-09-08 13:16:37
46.   Gagne55
39 And the first three guys all took some pretty feeble swings. For all thats wrong with Wells he never stopped throwing strikes and just that should be good enough for today.
2007-09-08 13:17:09
47.   natepurcell
42

yea, i didn't realize a 132 OPS+ qualifies as potential.

2007-09-08 13:17:13
48.   Bob Timmermann
Oregon leads Michigan 11-7.

Fewer things make me happier in football than seeing an 11 on the board. The only other numbers that would make me happier are 4 and 5.

2007-09-08 13:17:58
49.   fanerman
Woohoo LuGo.

Late thanks to underdog for organizing the little meet yesterday. Entering enemy territory (especially the bleachers) was much more pleasant with some nice DT company. Everybody was great, though from the descriptions I was hearing before the game, I was a little disappointed that Vishal didn't show up in a business suit. Ah well. Thanks Louis in SF, Paul B, Icaros, Vishal, and underdog for a great night!

And I think the loss was my fault mostly. I can't seem to attend a Dodger game where they win for the life of me.

2007-09-08 13:17:59
50.   gpellamjr
47 Imagine how good he'll be when he reaches that potential!
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2007-09-08 13:19:31
51.   natepurcell
49

just curious, what was the age range of that get together?

2007-09-08 13:20:00
52.   Gagne55
48 Personally, I'd love to see a "1"
2007-09-08 13:20:15
53.   Bob Timmermann
51
You couldn't go unless you had an AARP card.
2007-09-08 13:20:32
54.   Greg Brock
It's nice when the best hitter on the team also has potential.
2007-09-08 13:21:07
55.   Eric Stephen
48 Bob, my dream final score in football is 4-2.

I did greatly appreciate Oklahoma's 13-2 Orange Bowl win over FSU a few years back, to win the national title.

2007-09-08 13:22:02
56.   Bob Timmermann
55
I would prefer 11-5.
2007-09-08 13:22:20
57.   Gen3Blue
It seems Wells got seven pitches that at bat. Not bad.
2007-09-08 13:22:39
58.   Gagne55
52 Actually, I'd be kinda creeped out if a football team scored 1 point.
2007-09-08 13:23:27
59.   Bob Timmermann
Iowa beat Penn State 6-4 in 2004.
2007-09-08 13:23:42
60.   trainwreck
I just want to see Michigan people go into complete meltdown if they lose to Oregon, especially Desmond Howard.
2007-09-08 13:23:45
61.   Bob Timmermann
58
Stay out of Canada.
2007-09-08 13:24:46
62.   underdog
51 I think we had every decade covered, or at least the 20s, 30s and 40s. I had the 37 year old demographic covered.

And you're welcome Fanerman! Great to meet you. Sorry that you and I are both jinxes.

Wasn't I leaving?

2007-09-08 13:25:04
63.   Icaros
Hillenbrand is going to get Loney killed. Throw the ball!
2007-09-08 13:25:24
64.   Gagne55
61 Is that a reference to soccer being called football or does the CFL have different scoring rules?
2007-09-08 13:25:41
65.   Eric Stephen
Wow, Karros is claiming Wells missing a start helped the Padres.

Apparently 17 baserunners in 10 innings qualifies as "two good starts".

2007-09-08 13:25:58
66.   underdog
Glad to see the Giants un-working the count.
2007-09-08 13:26:01
67.   Greg Brock
58 You can score a point on a punt in Canada.
2007-09-08 13:26:27
68.   Gagne55
Wells inducing lots 'o pop ups.
2007-09-08 13:26:52
69.   Bob Timmermann
64
You can score one point in Canada if an unsuccessful field goal or a punt is not brought out of the end zone.
2007-09-08 13:26:57
70.   underdog
63 Hillenbrand's like the third base equivalent of Pierre. It's like he's throwing warm up tosses over there. I hope the Dodgers win today and Shea makes two errors.
2007-09-08 13:28:51
71.   Gagne55
67 huh? how? Do they get a point for a touchback or something?
2007-09-08 13:29:47
72.   Marty
Well, I'm off to the airport. I'll leave with a 3-0 lead so I got that going for me. I'll try to say Hej from Denmark.
2007-09-08 13:30:38
73.   Gagne55
69 OK, didn't see that when I posted 71.
2007-09-08 13:30:52
74.   Andrew Shimmin
64- I read it as a less a reference to anything than just a simple threat.
2007-09-08 13:31:58
75.   alexx
Anyone notice Gameday doesn't show the strike zone box anymore? Or did I change some setting without realizing it?
2007-09-08 13:32:26
76.   natepurcell
increase that ISOd!
2007-09-08 13:32:34
77.   Bob Timmermann
71
Effectively, that is the case. The kicking team gets a point and I think the ball gets moved out to the 35 for punts and field goals and the 25 for kickoffs.

They are officially called rouges, but everyone in Canada calls them "singles." I've been to one CFL game in person and there were no singles.

I should have asked for a refund.

2007-09-08 13:32:38
78.   King of the Hobos
39 Ortmeier, Schierholtz, and Frandsen are just as recognizable as Loney, Laroche, and Abreu. Admittedly they're not as good as the Dodgers players, but we really shouldn't be criticizing the Giants because they're playing their prospects instead of their PVLs.
2007-09-08 13:32:46
79.   trainwreck
Our players are clearly not football experts.
2007-09-08 13:33:05
80.   Icaros
Zito appears to want none of Matt Kemp today.
2007-09-08 13:33:28
81.   Eric Stephen
Hmmm...two guys on for Gonzo again. Take two!
2007-09-08 13:33:37
82.   Bob Timmermann
75
The retro Gameday has a strike zone box.
2007-09-08 13:34:17
83.   eusmus
79 Even football experts are horrible at pre-season predictions.
2007-09-08 13:34:36
84.   Eric Stephen
79 At least we didn't pick the Packers (like Bengie Molina)

81 Cut!

2007-09-08 13:35:25
85.   King of the Hobos
75 No box here either
2007-09-08 13:35:36
86.   MJW101
{44} Obviously, Grady is not listening to his pitching coach. Well, either that or his pitching coach is as ill suited for the job as Grady.
2007-09-08 13:35:38
87.   Greg Brock
72 Have fun, Marty!
2007-09-08 13:37:27
88.   Gagne55
77 Interesting, so when punting from midfield you have to decide whether you want to pin them deep in their terretory or go for the point and give them good field position.
2007-09-08 13:37:46
89.   Bob Timmermann
I have the box and I can tell you that it looks like Rick VandenHurk got a bad call on ball one to Chris Coste, which resulted in a walk.
2007-09-08 13:37:54
90.   natepurcell
i would have picked the Vikings.
2007-09-08 13:38:05
91.   King of the Hobos
Apparently the box in Enhanced Gameday is gone for everyone. Lots of complaining over at the Gameday Blog, but no posts explaining why it was removed yet.
2007-09-08 13:39:00
92.   Icaros
90

And I the Rams. I guess that's just how it works.

2007-09-08 13:39:20
93.   Gagne55
83 I picked the Colts at the beggining of last year. I also picked the Patriots the last year that they won.
2007-09-08 13:39:30
94.   Bob Timmermann
88
Since the Canadian field is so wide, it's pretty hard for a punter to hit the corner. They usually just let it fly. If the receiver can't get the ball out of the end zone, it's one point, not two.

You can't win a CFL game in overtime on a single.

2007-09-08 13:40:21
95.   natepurcell
Shea's arm is soooo bad.
2007-09-08 13:40:30
96.   alexx
That's strange; I wonder why they decided to remove it. On the bright side, I went to the gameday blog and watched that documentary they have explaining how the pitch fx data works. It's kinda neat.
2007-09-08 13:40:42
97.   Bob Timmermann
91
Check Baseball Analysts in a few days and see what the other Joe Sheehan has to say. That guy really knows the ins and outs of all that Gameday stuff.
2007-09-08 13:41:11
98.   natepurcell
93

I pick the Vikings every year.

2007-09-08 13:41:36
99.   Gagne55
9 up 9 down
2007-09-08 13:42:07
100.   Icaros
That's three Maddux-esque innings for Wells.
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2007-09-08 13:42:30
101.   NorCal-Dodger
99 Hope Wells was out all last night, and is pitching with a hangover.
2007-09-08 13:42:49
102.   Bob Timmermann
Oregon got a TD on a 4th and 2 from the 3 at Michigan. Looks like it's time to light up the 18 on the scoreboard.
2007-09-08 13:43:19
103.   Greg Brock
88 And you can catch the punt and immediately punt the ball right back during the same play.

The CFL is big on shenanigans.

2007-09-08 13:43:34
104.   Eric Stephen
97 Tall Joe Sheehan?
2007-09-08 13:44:21
105.   King of the Hobos
97 Doesn't he just play with the XML data? I don't think he has any inside knowledge of Gameday (or does he? I know nothing about him, I just read his articles).
2007-09-08 13:44:43
106.   Bob Timmermann
104
I've met one of the Joe Sheehan's and it wouldn't be stretch that the Gameday guy is taller.
2007-09-08 13:45:17
107.   Bob Timmermann
105
But he uses the strike zone in his displays doesn't he?
2007-09-08 13:46:45
108.   King of the Hobos
107 The XML data provides coordinates of each pitch, and he creates those boxes in R using the coordinates.
2007-09-08 13:47:15
109.   Eric Stephen
Shea turns the lineup over. Gotta give him credit for that.
2007-09-08 13:49:19
110.   overkill94
101 I'm watching with a hangover, does that count?
2007-09-08 13:50:34
111.   Greg Brock
So the Dodgers fall behind the Rockies in importance, according to comedy abortion Dane Cook. Man, we've fallen quite a bit, haven't we?
2007-09-08 13:51:07
112.   Greg Brock
110 It's not a hangover if you don't stop.
2007-09-08 13:52:02
113.   natepurcell
110

I don't have a hangover...i think its because i never went to bed.

2007-09-08 13:52:10
114.   NorCal-Dodger
112 I like that approach...
2007-09-08 13:52:19
115.   D4P
Good grief. If you're gonna pitch an Interesting Game, this is the lineup to do it against.
2007-09-08 13:52:21
116.   overkill94
Upset brewing in Seattle...
2007-09-08 13:52:24
117.   trainwreck
I am going to pull a Dane Cook and steal that comedy abortion line Brock.
2007-09-08 13:52:33
118.   natepurcell
but my stomach does hurt.
2007-09-08 13:52:57
119.   overkill94
112 Well, the UCLA game starts pretty soon, so that sentiment won't be too far off
2007-09-08 13:53:11
120.   trainwreck
I am surprised, I am not hung over. I think I got good anti-hangover genes.
2007-09-08 13:53:17
121.   Bob Timmermann
116
Boise State was just a 3 point favorite against UW.
2007-09-08 13:54:09
122.   Icaros
120

Those genes usually die off as you get older.

2007-09-08 13:54:24
123.   Bob Timmermann
I guess it's time for me to leave to head over to the Rose Bowl.
2007-09-08 13:55:01
124.   natepurcell
I'm going to totally LOL and get blitzed again tonight if this actually happens.
2007-09-08 13:55:06
125.   overkill94
118 My advice to you is to start drinking heavily. Better listen to me, I used to be pre-med.
2007-09-08 13:55:32
126.   overkill94
121 So if Washington wins, the game would technically be...
2007-09-08 13:55:38
127.   natepurcell
123

Bye Bob, Godspeed.

2007-09-08 13:56:00
128.   trainwreck
123
What do you do for the hour or so while you wait?
2007-09-08 13:57:19
129.   Icaros
Come on, Raffy. Why swing at that?
2007-09-08 13:58:04
130.   NorCal-Dodger
128 Hopefully get started, working on his hangover
2007-09-08 13:58:24
131.   D4P
Come on, Raffy. Why swing at that?

We swing at that here.

2007-09-08 13:58:42
132.   Bob Timmermann
128
I'm bringing a book.

I'm a real hard core fan.

2007-09-08 13:59:55
133.   kngoworld
Nice AB Pierre, saw a lot of pitches.
2007-09-08 14:00:14
134.   NorCal-Dodger
126 The game would technically be over.
2007-09-08 14:00:18
135.   MMSMikey
like to see hu get a start tomorrow.
2007-09-08 14:01:43
136.   natepurcell
nothing you can do with that. tip your cap and move on.
2007-09-08 14:02:25
137.   Icaros
Yeah, that pitch to Kemp was ridiculous.
2007-09-08 14:04:23
138.   Greg Brock
Oregon runs a fake Statue of Liberty QB keeper against Michigan.

Hilarious...25-7 Ducks.

2007-09-08 14:05:25
139.   D4P
138
I'm starting to think Michigan isn't very good this year.
2007-09-08 14:05:36
140.   trainwreck
Michigan fans are in shock.

At least, Oregon is helping to off-set the Oregon State debacle.

2007-09-08 14:06:39
141.   D4P
Touchdown Oregon.
2007-09-08 14:06:40
142.   trainwreck
139
I am starting to think that cops are going to have to watch over Lloyd Carr's house.

And they score again lol.

2007-09-08 14:07:12
143.   Greg Brock
One play, 60, yards, 32-7 Oregon.

Bye Bye, Lloyd.

2007-09-08 14:07:14
144.   Gen3Blue
I actually kind of like this Gameday with all the parameters on each pith.

As usual we are at a point where if we could have a goodd inning from the standpoint of making Zito throw some pitches
we could put him out. And you know what comes next.

2007-09-08 14:08:53
145.   D4P
Can't say I would have predicted the Ducks sweeping Michigan in the home and home thing.
2007-09-08 14:10:02
146.   D4P
I'm kinda surprised the Giants are rolling over for the Dodgers today. Phils, Pads, DBacks, and Rocks can't be too happy about that.
2007-09-08 14:10:09
147.   Telemachos
MIchigan is getting absolutely crushed. Wow.
2007-09-08 14:11:37
148.   overkill94
Rick Vanden Hurk does not care about our playoff hopes
2007-09-08 14:14:15
149.   Daniel Zappala
Things I love so far today: Oregon crushing Michigan, Dodgers winning, Bob takes a book to read before the football game starts. Bob is my kind of guy -- I could easily attend a football game with him. We have a neighborhood picnic in the park today, and I'll be taking my radio so I can listen to BYU-UCLA and a good book to read.
2007-09-08 14:14:26
150.   D4P
Even though it hurts the Giants, the Zito contract still makes me mad.
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2007-09-08 14:15:14
151.   D4P
Bob is my kind of guy -- I could easily attend a football game with him

You guys could read books together.

2007-09-08 14:16:34
152.   D4P
What are the chances that pinch-hitter Bonds breaks up the Interesting Game in the bottom of the 9th with a bunt single...?
2007-09-08 14:16:44
153.   natepurcell
150

why? jealous much?

2007-09-08 14:16:53
154.   Daniel Zappala
151 You could come and read a book too. Give in to your inner bookworm.
2007-09-08 14:17:51
155.   Bluebleeder87
I'm welling my Lucky Dodger Thoughts T, for what it's worth.
2007-09-08 14:19:59
156.   Bluebleeder87
155 + wearing = oopsie
2007-09-08 14:20:12
157.   D4P
153
Because it's so stupid. And because GMs are so stupid. And yet they keep their jobs. The whole thing is annoying.
2007-09-08 14:21:26
158.   Bluebleeder87
Steiner sure is good with the dramatics also.
2007-09-08 14:23:30
159.   Lexinthedena
157- The more time I spend on Dodger Thoughts, the more I realize that what you just said is way more true than it should be....sad....
2007-09-08 14:23:43
160.   trainwreck
And Cal barely beats Colorado State.

Somewhere in Colorado, Hallux is angry.

2007-09-08 14:24:29
161.   Eric Stephen
I thought Kent could have thrown that ball, but on the replay it looks like that could have been disastrous.
2007-09-08 14:24:34
162.   D4P
You could come and read a book too

That would be pretty sweet. Would we have to talk at all?

2007-09-08 14:24:48
163.   Bob Timmermann
Rats I got stuck on the golf course. This will add 20-30 minutes to my ride home despite being just four miles from home.

I blame this on Rick Monday.

2007-09-08 14:25:42
164.   natepurcell
hillenbrand is awesome!
2007-09-08 14:25:45
165.   trainwreck
Boooenbrand!!!
2007-09-08 14:26:27
166.   Bluebleeder87
I was out on the road buying some personal effects, but is this Hillenbrands 1st or 2nd bone head play?
2007-09-08 14:26:33
167.   gpellamjr
Youthful mistake by Hillenbrand there.
2007-09-08 14:26:49
168.   Eric Stephen
160 Cal was up 34-14 with 6:43 remaining. Those so inclined to wager on Cal -14, and I'm not naming any names, are not happy with the ending of that game.

And that was a dumb play by Shea.

2007-09-08 14:27:35
169.   Woden325
Gee whiz, bang goes the Perfecto and the No-Hitter.
2007-09-08 14:28:10
170.   alexx
It looked like the previous play should have been a double play.
2007-09-08 14:28:32
171.   trainwreck
Awww crap.
2007-09-08 14:28:40
172.   Eric Stephen
169 And the sheatout.
2007-09-08 14:28:40
173.   NorCal-Dodger
Starting to feel like last night.....
2007-09-08 14:28:44
174.   Woden325
... and the Shut-out.
2007-09-08 14:29:09
175.   Eric Stephen
OK, nice gave Boomer. You've given us more than we could expected, blah blah blah, but it's time to take a seat.
2007-09-08 14:29:27
176.   NorCal-Dodger
Loney...saves the day
2007-09-08 14:29:28
177.   Greg Brock
Loney is the man.
2007-09-08 14:29:40
178.   Bluebleeder87
Loney saves the day, yay!
2007-09-08 14:29:46
179.   D4P
Scoring from first on a groundball to third doesn't seem very common.
2007-09-08 14:29:49
180.   Icaros
Loney, that was beautiful.
2007-09-08 14:29:49
181.   Eric Stephen
Loney saves the day, and his lineage!
2007-09-08 14:29:57
182.   Lexinthedena
Loney might be a lot more Will Clark than Mark Grace....what a player....
2007-09-08 14:29:59
183.   Eric Stephen
175 gave = game
2007-09-08 14:30:36
184.   Daniel Zappala
162 Talking optional. We're going for comfortable, silent companionship here. We're all secure in our friendship, right?
2007-09-08 14:31:49
185.   Woden325
I think the KFWB guys jinxed it. They kept throwing around the P-word.
2007-09-08 14:32:40
186.   natepurcell
hitting wells....
2007-09-08 14:32:51
187.   Eric Stephen
Why oh why is Wells hitting here? He's D-U-N done!!!
2007-09-08 14:33:07
188.   Lexinthedena
Keeping Wells is there huh....but Chad doesn't get to go 7....

How do I stay rational...how?

2007-09-08 14:33:25
189.   Gen3Blue
For us gameday guys--How did Mclain or whoever score on a single .
2007-09-08 14:33:39
190.   gpellamjr
186 No worries, it's not like Grady will let him pitch the 7th, at least not the whole inning.
2007-09-08 14:33:52
191.   Eric Stephen
3 straight games incorrectly letting the pitcher bat in the 7th.

Let's see if we can guess what will happen in the 7th: 1 or 2 guys get on, and Wells gets pulled.

2007-09-08 14:34:02
192.   JoeyP
Fire Little.
3 games in a row.

Ridiculous.

2007-09-08 14:34:02
193.   trainwreck
188
There is a reason this board was talking about hangovers.
2007-09-08 14:34:14
194.   Bluebleeder87
175

Grady Little doesn't agree with you, I really hope this decision doesn't COLLAPSE ON HIM.

2007-09-08 14:35:29
195.   Eric Stephen
189 Slow ground ball closer to short but Hillenbrand was in front of Furcal...no chance to get the runner at first, so Shea tried for 2nd, but McLain was already there. The throw hit McLain and caromed into left, where Gonzo was apparently watching from the warning track.
2007-09-08 14:35:49
196.   scooplew
I only hope that Jon is a bench coach on the Dodgers next season and can talk to Grady, who has really shown great amounts of ineptitude lately.
2007-09-08 14:35:56
197.   D4P
184
Secure indeed. I may bring the laptop instead of a book, though.
2007-09-08 14:36:20
198.   overkill94
Furcal's last six games - 2-for-26
2007-09-08 14:37:35
199.   overkill94
Why would you pull a guy after 67 pitches and 3 hits allowed? I think you guys are being a bit over-critical.
2007-09-08 14:37:53
200.   trainwreck
And it begins...
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2007-09-08 14:37:54
201.   natepurcell
way to go grady.
2007-09-08 14:37:55
202.   overkill94
199 Maybe that's why...
2007-09-08 14:38:35
203.   Lexinthedena
199- Clicked "submit" a little late there....
2007-09-08 14:38:37
204.   NorCal-Dodger
JP had a chance to catch that..
2007-09-08 14:38:43
205.   Eric Stephen
This is not second guessing...it's first guessing. Wells is done. They are hammering him. Please remove him now.
2007-09-08 14:38:47
206.   Cornell Blue Fan
wow here we go
2007-09-08 14:39:32
207.   Cornell Blue Fan
at least Shea is gone, why not pinch hit for him too?
2007-09-08 14:39:33
208.   gpellamjr
199 I think the problem is that most here assume that Grady will pull him anyway if he gets into any trouble here.
2007-09-08 14:39:35
209.   Lexinthedena
203- I'm a dork...that's what I get....I meant a little early....
2007-09-08 14:39:46
210.   Eric Stephen
At least the infield is in tonight, unlike last night.
2007-09-08 14:40:08
211.   Bluebleeder87
Grady Little is giving me belly aches like Hillenbrand.
2007-09-08 14:40:25
212.   gpellamjr
207 Hillenbrand has a proven track record of success against Zito.
2007-09-08 14:41:13
213.   NorCal-Dodger
Looks like the vet Shea got benched for his brain cramp on the field
2007-09-08 14:41:16
214.   overkill94
Interesting move pulling Shea this early in the game. Hopefully the end to his starting ways?
2007-09-08 14:41:27
215.   Eric Stephen
212 Zito wasn't pitching last inning.
2007-09-08 14:41:47
216.   Gen3Blue
195 That sounds even worse than my fear.
But thanx. It fills in some things one cannot begin to deduce from GD gameday.
2007-09-08 14:41:50
217.   Cornell Blue Fan
nice
2007-09-08 14:42:03
218.   overkill94
Questionable strike three call, but I'll take it!
2007-09-08 14:42:06
219.   Lexinthedena
Thanks blue...
2007-09-08 14:42:34
220.   Eric Stephen
Bullet, dodged.
2007-09-08 14:42:53
221.   Bluebleeder87
let's thank our lucky stars he got out of it, we gotta score more runs though.
2007-09-08 14:43:30
222.   gpellamjr
My two favorite players: Gonzo and Wells. You can't do any better than that.
2007-09-08 14:43:53
223.   NorCal-Dodger
The madness that is Grady the Manager.
2007-09-08 14:44:07
224.   gpellamjr
215 Then maybe that move actually doesn't make sense. Weird!
2007-09-08 14:44:09
225.   JoeyP
Well at least he kept Wells in to finish the inning.
2007-09-08 14:46:58
226.   Eric Stephen
Broxton has pitched the last two days, and given up 2 HR. But the plus side is he only threw 13 pitches total over the 2 games.

I say he pitches the 8th.

2007-09-08 14:47:41
227.   Daniel Zappala
197 Hey, you bring a laptop, I bring a laptop. I can do anything in this world with a laptop.
2007-09-08 14:49:31
228.   Bluebleeder87
226

I'd bring him in, He's had some bad luck with the 2 dingers but I think he's good to go.

2007-09-08 14:49:52
229.   Greg Brock
227 So, I guess we are enemies today, Professor.

If you promise to lose to UCLA today, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks!

2007-09-08 14:50:20
230.   Lexinthedena
I don't know of karros and this other guy are good, or they are just better than the disgrace that was last nights ESPN yuck-yucksters.....
2007-09-08 14:50:28
231.   Bluebleeder87
or is Grady so unconventional he'll pitch Saito for 2.
2007-09-08 14:50:58
232.   trainwreck
Does Daniel call our QB Benedict Olson too?
2007-09-08 14:52:21
233.   overkill94
231 That's what I would do. He's pretty well-rested and I doubt it would take him more than 20 pitches to get through those two innings.
2007-09-08 14:52:25
234.   D4P
227
It's a deal. Then you can witness firsthand the weird things my laptop's doing, though it thankfully doesn't happen too often.
2007-09-08 14:53:39
235.   Bob Timmermann
Beautiful day in Pasadena. You can see the Wasatch Mountains from here today.
2007-09-08 14:54:21
236.   D4P
Great time to pinch-hit Bonds. Bases empty and one out in the 8th. Brilliant.
2007-09-08 14:55:04
237.   D4P
You can see the Wasatch Mountains from here today

Do you have to look up from your book for that?

2007-09-08 14:56:01
238.   NorCal-Dodger
YESSSSSS
2007-09-08 14:56:12
239.   Bluebleeder87
Well It's nice seeing the real Broxton.
2007-09-08 14:57:20
240.   D4P
Bonds's OPS vs. LA this year is his lowest against any team.
2007-09-08 14:58:05
241.   Daniel Zappala
234 You just need to take it to a repair shop, starving student status notwithstanding.

229 Sorry, no deal. My BYU affinity gets stronger every day. Plus I'm a sucker for an underdog. And I already granted you last year's win. Didn't you know I had a hand in that?

232 Olson is OK by me. With the way college coaches move around, players ought to be able to do it too. I hold no hard feelings. I hope he throws two TDs today, in a BYU 31-24 win.

2007-09-08 14:59:16
242.   Connector
Could someone tell me why Saito didn't pitch the 9th inning last night...I didn't watch the game.
2007-09-08 14:59:31
243.   Daniel Zappala
I can barely see the Wasatch Mountains today, and they're right outside my backyard. Too much haze. Bob must be reading a picture book.
2007-09-08 15:00:04
244.   NorCal-Dodger
242 It was a tied game, and Broxton was brough in for the last half of the ninth.
2007-09-08 15:00:35
245.   Indiana Jon
242 It was a tie game, not a save situation.
2007-09-08 15:01:02
246.   NorCal-Dodger
PR for LuGo
2007-09-08 15:03:51
247.   Greg Brock
So the three surviving members of Led Zeppelin are getting back together for a World Tour.

Excuse me while I throw the biggest parade ever.

2007-09-08 15:05:07
248.   Icaros
247

Who's drumming? Jason?

2007-09-08 15:06:18
249.   Greg Brock
248 Yeah. Which I'm not thrilled about.

But I'll take it.

2007-09-08 15:08:05
250.   Cornell Blue Fan
Martin looks like he is trying to pull everything
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2007-09-08 15:08:16
251.   trainwreck
Looks like Greg Brock is going to be partaking in the silliness.
2007-09-08 15:08:18
252.   Cornell Blue Fan
Martin looks like he is trying to pull everything
2007-09-08 15:08:51
253.   Icaros
249

Who would you prefer?

2007-09-08 15:09:31
254.   Eric Stephen
James Loney career, in SF, 9th inning or later:
4-5, 2B, HR, walk, 3 runs, 1 RBI
2007-09-08 15:11:15
255.   KG16
251 - he ain't the only one. Unless tickets will cost a first born child
2007-09-08 15:11:26
256.   Daniel Zappala
Another Oregon TD. Soon to be 39-7. Wow.
2007-09-08 15:11:57
257.   Greg Brock
253 It works because he's Jason Bonham, but I just don't think he's a particularly good drummer.

I would take any number of random rock drummers.

2007-09-08 15:12:51
258.   Greg Brock
255 Tickets will be a fortune. And I will pay. And I will partake.

This is awesome.

2007-09-08 15:13:34
259.   Eric Stephen
Abreu with some insurance!
2007-09-08 15:13:55
260.   Icaros
Neil Peart would be kinda fun.
2007-09-08 15:13:58
261.   Bluebleeder87
Abreu waited really nicely on that hit, we needed that run too, good for him.
2007-09-08 15:14:38
262.   D4P
No way Saito gives up 2 runs, especially against a AAA lineup.
2007-09-08 15:15:48
263.   Eric Stephen
262 Especially if he doesn't have to pitch!
2007-09-08 15:16:08
264.   D4P
No way Saito gives up 3 runs, especially against a AAA lineup.
2007-09-08 15:16:27
265.   Lexinthedena
Mr. Clutch strikes again, and Karros drops a "professional hitter" on him....
2007-09-08 15:16:33
266.   Icaros
262

I'm not sold on this new "Mr. Jinx" addition to your persona.

Nothing personal.

2007-09-08 15:16:49
267.   overkill94
260 Too technical for such a raucous band, I'd prefer someone like Bill Ward
2007-09-08 15:18:19
268.   Daniel Zappala
I will be buying a ticket for Led Zepplin ... then selling it to Greg Brock with a markup of 500%.
2007-09-08 15:18:42
269.   Bluebleeder87
262

I don't like it either but it's been working lately.

2007-09-08 15:19:01
270.   Eric Stephen
Wow, Saito hasn't given up more than 1 run since the 4+1 game.

Since last Sept 18, Saito's ERA is 1.14, with 85 Ks and 10 BBs in 63.1 IP.

2007-09-08 15:19:13
271.   trainwreck
How about Ian Paice?
2007-09-08 15:19:14
272.   Linkmeister
I remember Angell saying something like "Lasorda loves the squeeze like a wino loves muscatel;" looks like Grady does too.
2007-09-08 15:19:17
273.   Icaros
267

I know, but I've never been a huge Zeppelin fan anyway, and the style clash would make the experience more interesting for me.

Bill Ward hasn't looked healthy in two decades.

2007-09-08 15:19:42
274.   D4P
270
That's what I'm sayin'.
2007-09-08 15:19:46
275.   Greg Brock
267 I'll bet Neil Peart would abandon his Rush music technicianship for some good old fashioned, air-it-out craziness. That would be sweet.
2007-09-08 15:20:12
276.   Lexinthedena
So let's say the Dodgers do something smart like sign Torri Hunter in the offseason...

can anyone think of a team that would take Pierre?.....

2007-09-08 15:22:11
277.   D4P
276
Signing Torii Hunter wouldn't really be that smart, which is partly why I thought Ned would have been interested in him in the first place.

It will be particularly unsmart to sign Hunter this offseason, when he'll undoubtedly get paid a lot more than a team should pay him.

2007-09-08 15:22:15
278.   jujibee
276 the one we're playing right now
2007-09-08 15:22:30
279.   Bluebleeder87
can anyone think of a team that would take Pierre?.....

I doubt it, I seriously do.

2007-09-08 15:23:16
280.   jujibee
the twins might need a new cf as well.
2007-09-08 15:23:26
281.   Eric Stephen
Gagne 2003: 1.20 ERA, .133/.199/.176 batters against

Saito 2007: 1.29 ERA, .160/.205/.242 batters against

2007-09-08 15:24:36
282.   NorCal-Dodger
Hey Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, John Paul-Jones, Jason Bonham, I've waited for their 'In Through The Outdoor' Tour to come through L.A. back in 1983, then John passed away, and have been waiting ever since. The group had to keep the Bonham name as part of their line-up for any type of reunion. Though I think Phil Collins would fit in nicely, though, he may be viewed as too soft.
2007-09-08 15:24:51
283.   trainwreck
Karros, you are killing me!!!
2007-09-08 15:26:48
284.   Lexinthedena
277- Well your right that he will get paid too much....but other than that, why would it be a bad move?
2007-09-08 15:27:07
285.   Bluebleeder87
270

Eric Karros makes a great point, we're only paying Saito a million bucks, pretty cool, & the Dodgers only paid Gagne minimum wage during his SICK STINT, pretty lucky I'd say.

2007-09-08 15:28:41
286.   Greg Brock
282 Phil Collins is a heck of a drummer. But I think the name alone would turn people off.

I always wanted to hear Keith Moon play with Zep. But his being dead precluded such a union.

2007-09-08 15:29:08
287.   xaphor
282 . Forget Collins, they need this guy:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XdO2aYfQa6I

2007-09-08 15:29:23
288.   JoeyP
Its amazing the Giants have such bad position players, considering their payroll.
2007-09-08 15:29:46
289.   Eric Stephen
283 Karros said that Colletti should be "GM of the year" because Saito is making only $1 million.

Never mind the fact that technically Saito has only one year ML experience and he is not even arb-eligible until 2009.

2007-09-08 15:29:49
290.   Greg Brock
We win!
2007-09-08 15:29:57
291.   trainwreck
Perfect timing!
2007-09-08 15:29:58
292.   D4P
284
This is just my opinion, but I'm suspicious of guy who have their best year ever the year before they stand to become very well paid free agents. Plus, I'm not high on guys whose OPS is mostly SLG. I don't like his Soriano-like .291/.336/.525/.861, and .324 career OBP. Plus plus, he's 32 years old.

Whomever signs him is bound to regret it.

2007-09-08 15:30:28
293.   Bluebleeder87
David Wells just needs one more win to even out his win loss ratio.
2007-09-08 15:33:45
294.   Lexinthedena
292- Would you go after a guy like Rownand?, or Jones?...or do you stick with Pierre....

Another thought is letting Kemp play center, putting Ethier in right, and Young in left, but this front office doesn't have the courage.....

2007-09-08 15:34:31
295.   Gagne55
Bonus coverage: the Philladelphia Phillies. Dang, they're already up 6-1.
2007-09-08 15:36:23
296.   Linkmeister
Goodness. Oregon 39-7 over Michigan.

Dear media,
Please recognize that the Big Ten is not the be-all end-all of college football.

2007-09-08 15:37:57
297.   D4P
294
I don't claim to speak intelligently or for anyone else, but I definitely wouldn't go after Jones. He's another all SLG no OBP guy, and he doesn't even SLG any more. I always thought he was a likely roid suspect too.

I don't know much about Rowand, other than that his stats seem to vary wildly from year to year.

2007-09-08 15:38:17
298.   NorCal-Dodger
294 I think we are stuck with JP, doubt any team is willing to take on his contract, maybe if we cover half of it...It would be nice to see an outfield of Young, Kemp, Ethier.

If had my choice of Hunter, Jones, or Rowand, I take Rowand.

2007-09-08 15:39:53
299.   Greg Brock
296 Silly man...The SEC is the end-all-be-all of college football. The best SEC team could beat the Colts. The SEC champions could cure cancer and defeat the Iraqi insurgency...If they wanted to.

It's all about the Southeastern Conference.

2007-09-08 15:39:54
300.   trainwreck
Jones is a terribly stupid hitter. Tries to pull everything.

We are not going to get rid of Pierre. Ned thinks he is good. Simple as that.

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2007-09-08 15:40:12
301.   Indiana Jon
296 There must be a different media out there than there is here, where all we here about is USC.
2007-09-08 15:42:33
302.   D4P
We are not going to get rid of Pierre. Ned thinks he is good

Yep. As we've been saying all along, Ned will be quite content with Pierre's BA and SBs at the end of the year, and probably not too disappointed with his Rs.

2007-09-08 15:42:57
303.   NorCal-Dodger
301 What's wrong with that..USC the NBR 1 team in the Nation?
2007-09-08 15:43:24
304.   Linkmeister
301 I was thinking about the national media, not the highly-partisan Los Angeles market. ;)

And yes, 299 The SEC runs a close second in hype to the Big Ten.

2007-09-08 15:44:22
305.   Lexinthedena
297- I think your right about Jones...I'm a lot higher on Hunter than you, but I would still go for the Kemp, Ethier, Young OF.....but I'm afraid NorCal-Dodger is right.....god I hope there is way to watch him hit 290 for someone else next year.....
2007-09-08 15:45:03
306.   Greg Brock
Linkmeister, I'm still pretty bummed that I don't get Wahine football anymore.

I miss late night Hawaii football.

2007-09-08 15:45:08
307.   Indiana Jon
304 Yes, I was too since I don;t get much LA media here in Indiana. The SEC does run a close second to USC, followed by the Big 12.
2007-09-08 15:46:36
308.   Linkmeister
Well, today they're on ESPNU against LaTech in Ruston, starting in about 20 minutes.

Not that I get that channel.

2007-09-08 15:50:22
309.   Greg Brock
308 No local station carries the game for you?
2007-09-08 15:52:25
310.   trainwreck
I get ESPNU and it does not list the Hawaii game.
2007-09-08 15:52:59
311.   Linkmeister
Not live. It's on PPV, but I don't care that much. I didn't attend the school, so I'm not that enthusiastic.
2007-09-08 15:53:44
312.   Linkmeister
310 I'm just going by the ESPN trailer, which indicated it would be. Maybe I misread it and it's on Gameplan.
2007-09-08 15:56:52
313.   King of the Hobos
Rosenthal is reporting that Major League Baseball's chief labor counsel, Frank Coonelly, is going to be named the Pirates' new CEO.

But more importantly, he is also reporting that Dan Evans will get an interview with Houston, bringing the official candidate list up to 11 men. At least White has a lot of competition for the job.

2007-09-08 15:57:09
314.   Eric Enders
306 Hawaii plays women's football?
2007-09-08 15:58:56
315.   King of the Hobos
313 Oh, and Coonelly is the guy in charge of the draft slotting system, so hopefully White has no interest in going to Pittsburgh. At least one would assume Coonelly would force his new team to stick to the slotting system.
2007-09-08 16:02:12
316.   Linkmeister
314 Ha! How did I miss that?
2007-09-08 16:04:22
317.   Dodgers49
22. Highest batting average, LA Dodger history (minimum 200 PA):

Piazza (1997), .362
Piazza (1995), .346
W.Davis (1962), .346
Kemp (2007), .342

Actually, that .346 BA in 1962 belongs to Tommy Davis.

2007-09-08 16:07:17
318.   KG16
So, six games this week, three against San Diego and three against Arizona, is it safe to say that this week determines whether or not the Dodgers make the playoffs?
2007-09-08 16:11:41
319.   Eric Stephen
317 Damn! I can't believe I screwed that one up, not properly recognizing the only LA Dodger to win a batting title.
2007-09-08 16:12:09
320.   Greg Brock
314 Yeah, whoops.

Hey Enders, are you going to take a break from lousy music like The Boss and get tickets for Led Zeppelin's upcoming tour?

2007-09-08 16:14:46
321.   Daniel Zappala
That one was for you, Brock.
2007-09-08 16:16:28
322.   MJW101
Kemp should play CF in winterball to get more accustomed to the way the ball comes off the bat. With Kemp's speed and athleticism he should make a fine CF (far better than JP could ever hope to be). JP could move to LF where his noodle arm is not such a disaster.
2007-09-08 16:21:24
323.   Greg Brock
321 My buddy got a baseball scholarship to BYU. We like the Cougars. It's a great campus.

It's the honor code I have a problem with. Honor Codes and college should not go together.

2007-09-08 16:21:29
324.   D4P
JP could move to LF where his noodle arm is not such a disaster

But his bat would be even more of one.

2007-09-08 16:25:44
325.   trainwreck
Olson needs to stop locking onto receivers.
2007-09-08 16:25:56
326.   BlueCrew Bruin
322 Or better yet, if Kemp can be trusted with CF duties, Pierre could go away completely thus clearing the way for A. Dunn to play LF.

Furcal - SS
Martin - C
Kemp - CF
Dunn - LF
Kent - 2B
Loney - 1B
Ethier - RF
LaRoche - 3B

I'm not quite sure who we traded to bring Dunn in though.

2007-09-08 16:27:36
327.   D4P
One would be hard-pressed to find a less-Colletti-friendly player than Adam Dunn.

If the Dodgers had had Dunn this season, Ned would have thrown him in with Betemit in the Proctor trade.

2007-09-08 16:28:34
328.   BlueCrew Bruin
Sad but true.
2007-09-08 16:30:16
329.   Daniel Zappala
323 Honor Codes and college should not go together.

Google:

Results 1 - 10 of about 2,290,000 for college honor code

I would guess nearly every college has an honor code. BYU goes beyond plagiarism to include other behaviors they consider immoral. Not too surprising from a private, religious institution.

Believe it or not, the BYU students, if given the chance to vote on it, would overwhelmingly uphold the honor code.

2007-09-08 16:34:01
330.   trainwreck
This game is getting quite chippy.
2007-09-08 16:35:14
331.   Greg Brock
329 I didn't mean honor code in the academic sense. I meant it in the John Belushi extracurricular sense.

Again, I like BYU, and I respect its standards. But for a kid that grew up with Irish Catholics and Episcopalians, we just look at it a bit differently, ya know?

Don't smite me, Professor.

2007-09-08 16:35:39
332.   D4P
UCLA vs. BYU

Eric E. must have no idea what's going on.

2007-09-08 16:42:04
333.   trainwreck
Whatever performance-enhancing drugs Khalil Bell is on, they are very effective.
2007-09-08 16:59:55
334.   Eric Stephen
326 Besides the fact that Colletti probably does not covet Adam Dunn, it's highly unlikely for the Dodgers to acquire him, unless it's as a free agent.

If Dunn is traded in 2007, his 2008 option ($13m) becomes void, which means he would have to clear waivers and be traded during the next 3 weeks, and even then he would not be eligible for postseason play.

If the Reds pick up his 2008 option, Dunn has a complete no trade to June 15, 2008, then a limited no-trade after that (during which Dunn can pick 10 teams to which he can be traded).

The most viable option for acquiring Dunn is if the Reds decline his option, making him a free agent.

2007-09-08 17:00:41
335.   Eric Stephen
Dick Vitale buttons the top button on his polo shirt. Discuss.
2007-09-08 17:01:51
336.   trainwreck
335
He does not seem like a closed, guarded person whatsoever.
2007-09-08 17:02:20
337.   King of the Hobos
327 Ned is currently paying a malcontent that has no ability to hit for average or power, no patience, no defensive value, and no speed. Add power and patience, and you have Dunn.
2007-09-08 17:04:15
338.   D4P
Western Kentucky is beating West Virginia Tech 87-0. The score at the end of the first quarter was 49-0.
2007-09-08 17:04:58
339.   D4P
337
Is Dunn a malcontent?
2007-09-08 17:16:32
340.   Greg Brock
335 Terrible. Just terrible.

And that's a hilarious observation, Eric.

2007-09-08 17:21:33
341.   D4P
I give Kuznetsova no chance of beating Henin in tonight's final.
2007-09-08 17:22:37
342.   Dodgers49
According to Tony Jackson the Los Angeles Dodgers were eliminated from post season consideration last night. :-)

>> Furcal, who was charged with an error on the play, left the clubhouse without speaking to reporters after the third-place Dodgers (74-67) fell 42 games behind division-leading Arizona in the National League West. <<

http://www.dailynews.com/ci_6835156

2007-09-08 17:26:33
343.   King of the Hobos
341 At 116-25, the DBacks are destroying their expected win/loss at such an unholy rate that I think I may have to disregard everything I ever thought about baseball numbers.
2007-09-08 17:26:39
344.   trainwreck
Hawaii is losing to LA Tech right now.
2007-09-08 17:27:22
345.   King of the Hobos
343 should be directed at 342
2007-09-08 17:28:28
346.   D4P
Colorado is losing to San Diego right now.
2007-09-08 17:28:53
347.   trainwreck
Bob would be quite happy with how bad ND's offense looks.
2007-09-08 17:30:56
348.   Cornell Blue Fan
Is the UCLA game on TV? If so, what channel?
2007-09-08 17:32:48
349.   trainwreck
348
Versus.
2007-09-08 17:33:04
350.   King of the Hobos
Orlando Hudson is done for the season. Season-ending thumb surgery scheduled for Monday.
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2007-09-08 17:34:04
351.   underdog
I'm no longer second hand stoned, after the Franti concert, which was cool. Glad to see the Dodgers won, and even though half the scoring came in the 9th for them, the final sounds about right. Wells looked quite good against, admittedly, a fairly weakened line-up (though a couple of those guy hurt us last night). But he was definitely solid. Hoping we'll get to see LaRoche or Abreu at 3rd tomorrow, because Hillenbland is a noodlearm.

But happy about the win.

There is another POS movie on the Sci-Fi channel that is indescribably laughably awful, btw. A man in a giant carpet who looks like something from GWAR is attacking stupid people. Better switch to college football...

2007-09-08 17:34:24
352.   Cornell Blue Fan
BYU the game going on right now
2007-09-08 17:34:47
353.   underdog
350 Ouch. Andrew will be upset. This division is still winnable, folks.
2007-09-08 17:37:14
354.   Eric Enders
Boy, Colt McCoy is an interception machine today. This is starting to get ugly.
2007-09-08 17:37:29
355.   Cornell Blue Fan
lame, its not on cable
2007-09-08 17:39:29
356.   trainwreck
352
Versus is actually the name of the channel. It used to be Outdoor Life Network.
2007-09-08 17:46:03
357.   D4P
357
Speaking of Versus, I didn't watch the free WEC the other night. I also don't think I'm gonna watch the free UFC tonight. I already saw who won the bouts.
2007-09-08 17:47:14
358.   trainwreck
357
I missed the WEC card too. I will definitely watch tonight's UFC and I have totally avoided finding out the winners.
2007-09-08 17:48:53
359.   D4P
358
Then I'm glad I didn't blurt anything out. I will say, however, that there was no Fedor announcement, which is too bad. It's pointless for him to sign anywhere else.
2007-09-08 17:50:03
360.   trainwreck
359
I did not expect there to be one. Apparently, Mark Cuban is going hard after him and going to try to build an organization around him.
2007-09-08 17:56:10
361.   D4P
360
I read that. The problem is that there's not enough people outside the UFC for him to fight. Actually, there's not that much competition inside the UFC.
2007-09-08 17:58:10
362.   Dodgers49
If Brett Tomko is going to get a start against us it will have to be Thursday. As of right now the announced matchups are:

Tue - Peavy vs Loaiza
Wed - Germano vs Lowe
Thu - TBA vs Billingsley

2007-09-08 17:58:51
363.   trainwreck
Yeah, he needs to be in the UFC. He will be wasting the rest of his career if he does not sign with them.
2007-09-08 18:04:37
364.   Some Guy in San Diego
Just had to chime in on the Zepplin drummer thing... Dave Grohl. Period. He is everything you would want, highly proficient technically, incredibly passionate, and most importantly, in this case, hits the bejeezus out of the skins.
Grohl is Rock and Roll.
2007-09-08 18:09:52
365.   JoeyP
Strange season for Dioner Navarro:

Pre-All Star Break:
209 ABs: .177/.238/.254

Post-All Star Break
120 ABs: .300/.351/.500

He hit his 8th HR of the year tonight.

2007-09-08 18:22:27
366.   Greg Brock
364 Grohl is actually an inspired choice. that would be flippin' awesome.

And fire Karl Dorrell.

2007-09-08 18:24:32
367.   trainwreck
366
This was a bad game to bring recruits to.
2007-09-08 18:26:22
368.   Bluebleeder87
365

Let it go bro, we have the better catcher & we had him all long, stupid upper management...

2007-09-08 18:27:27
369.   Greg Brock
367 This is why I don't care about Bruins football. If I did, I'd be pretty bitter right now.

But I refuse to care while this buffoon is running the program.

2007-09-08 18:30:51
370.   trainwreck
Aside from the football recruits at the game, we got super important basketball recruits, Hollis Thompson and Kendall Williams at the game.

I hope they do not care about football.

2007-09-08 18:33:26
371.   Greg Brock
370 I'm not worried about basketball. The head coach isn't a coward or an incomp.
2007-09-08 18:33:27
372.   Bluebleeder87
I'm surprised nobody is giving David Wells his proper "kudos" the guy pitched an absolutely great game, sure he collapsed nearing the finish line but he did pitch a great game. Tomorrows match up of Penny vs. Cain should be a good one.
2007-09-08 18:36:23
373.   D4P
372
He pitched against a pathetic lineup. Sabean should be ashamed of himself, not to mention fired.
2007-09-08 18:38:06
374.   Bluebleeder87
373

Well that's true...

2007-09-08 18:40:27
375.   Bluebleeder87
That's pretty cool, So I'm flipping threw the channles (bored) & I happen to flip to the IFC channel & there showing SWINGERS one of my favorite movies.
2007-09-08 18:41:30
376.   Slipstream
Hochevar on the mound in KC.
2007-09-08 18:43:46
377.   Andrew Shimmin
Twenty games left to answer the ultimate question: will Mark Sweeney get as many ABs as Marlon Anderson did, for the Dodgers, this year?
2007-09-08 18:47:28
378.   Greg Brock
The most unimaginative play calling of all time.
2007-09-08 18:48:10
379.   trainwreck
378
Clearly, you did not watch the Raiders last year.
2007-09-08 18:49:25
380.   trainwreck
379
Honestly, we would have faired better just taking a knee every play.
2007-09-08 18:55:55
381.   trainwreck
Wow, we scored a touchdown. That was unexpected.
2007-09-08 19:10:53
382.   Bluebleeder87
Zona takes the early lead 3-0 on a Connor Jackson 3 run dinger.
2007-09-08 19:11:52
383.   King of the Hobos
376 And he actually pitched fairly well, though he was facing the Yankees' B lineup. Boom Boom only managed a groundout against him, after hitting his 14th homer earlier.
2007-09-08 19:19:43
384.   ToyCannon
If this was pre-2001 they would be talking about Arod and Maris right now. What a tear he is on.

Based on the comments I thought UCLA had gotten creamed. Imagine my surprise when I found out they won.

DJ Bonebrake

2007-09-08 19:21:47
385.   Daniel Zappala
Sigh. For most of that half, I thought BYU would win the game. Too many turnovers, and no play reviews went their way. The consensus from the BYU announcing team was that they did well to make a game of it, but I'm guessing the football team is not satisfied. This was a game they could have won, and had they not botched the first half this was their game.
2007-09-08 19:22:36
386.   Eric Stephen
I didn't realize the Padres signed Brady Clark in August. He pinch struck out in the 9th tonight.
2007-09-08 19:22:36
387.   Gen3Blue
351 Was that a sasquatch movie, or a saber-tooth movie? They are all beautifully bad.
If the big guy exists outside of Hendricksen, he must be very offended by now.
It was a nice win even w/Gameday, and I hope we continue. I know I had something to say, and if I think of it, I may be back.
2007-09-08 19:24:10
388.   Greg Brock
387 SciFi movies are awfully bad in their own special, cute sort of way.
2007-09-08 19:26:44
389.   Eric Stephen
Khalil Greene adds to the Padres lead with an RBI single in the 9th. 3-1 Madres, top 9 in Colorado.
2007-09-08 19:34:06
390.   ToyCannon
365
As Joey pointed out, Navarro is no longer the throw away in the deal for Hendrickson. His 2nd half is better then Salty's and he's only one year older. Evidently whatever Depo saw in him actually existed.
It would appear that some of the throw aways are starting to establish themselves.
2007-09-08 19:34:41
391.   Bluebleeder87
Albert Pujols helps our cause with a 2 run triple!

that has to be a Bob alert no? Pujols hitting a triple, 1st at bat!

2007-09-08 19:41:08
392.   D4P
Padres hurt our cause with a 2 run victory.
2007-09-08 19:42:00
393.   Bluebleeder87
Aaron Miles just hit a 3 run home run to take the lead in Arinoza, 6-3 Cardinals.
2007-09-08 19:48:30
394.   Dodgers49
386. I didn't realize the Padres signed Brady Clark in August. He pinch struck out in the 9th tonight.

Yep, they're thinking of starting him against us in at least one game next week if Milton Bradley is unable to play.

2007-09-08 19:49:26
395.   natepurcell
390

eh i dunno. His numbers are still hideous.

2007-09-08 19:50:12
396.   King of the Hobos
386 He actually started the game, had a hit and a walk (and an out) before the strikeout you saw. Bradley's injured yet again, out for the weekend.
2007-09-08 19:51:20
397.   Bluebleeder87
390

if anything it worked out well for both guys.

2007-09-08 19:52:18
398.   Bob Timmermann
Best ... parking ... spot ... ever ...

I think I pulled into a VIP lot and they let me stay there at the Rose Bowl today.

Pretty big crowd out there for a game before school starts for UCLA.

2007-09-08 19:53:47
399.   Bluebleeder87
396

when healthy he is a good ball player, but man...

2007-09-08 19:53:56
400.   Greg Brock
398 Well???

Were you sufficiently impressed with the Bruins' outing today?

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2007-09-08 19:53:57
401.   King of the Hobos
390 Was Navarro really a throw away? Wasn't he more the centerpiece of the deal for the DRays? Seo wasn't doing well and was just Hendrickson's replacement in the rotation. The real throw away was Justin Ruggiano, who I wouldn't mind having back either.
2007-09-08 19:53:57
402.   Daniel Zappala
398 TV announcers here seemed to think about half the crowd was from BYU. Any truth to that?
2007-09-08 19:54:40
403.   D4P
Were you sufficiently impressed with the Bruins' outing today?

And what about your book?

2007-09-08 19:54:49
404.   Andrew Shimmin
Navarro's sOPS+ (C) is identical to Pierre's (CF).
2007-09-08 19:58:23
405.   Bluebleeder87
Bob seems extremely energized, heck, reading his post gave me some energy!

lacy (sp) saturday for me, after some exercise

2007-09-08 19:58:40
406.   King of the Hobos
404 But how many stolen bases does he have?
2007-09-08 20:02:13
407.   King of the Hobos
405 I assume you mean lazy.

A lacy Saturday would probably involve lots of lace, which I'm sure would make for a very exciting day. Nothing like lacing a dress to give you lots of energy.

2007-09-08 20:09:07
408.   Bob Timmermann
I was very impressed with my parking spot.

I think that sums it up.

There were a LOT of BYU fans. Including the father and daughter sitting next to me. I would assume that the crowd was 40-50% Cougars fans.

2007-09-08 20:10:17
409.   Bob Timmermann
Orange alert for Albert Pujols in Arizona. I'm tempted to make it red since it's just the 4th inning and the DBacks are already into their mopup men.
2007-09-08 20:12:29
410.   berkowit28
I dunno, somehow today's win does not make up for last night's loss.

Maybe expecting managers and others in baseball to be smart is misguided? There are people out there with incredible sporting talent, both natural and cultivated. But they're jocks. Maybe we shouldn't expect them to be smart too. It's probably quite rare. It's more reasonable to expect it of GMs.

Who are the smart managers? And
if there are smart players (perhaps Jeff Kent is one?) how much opportunity do they have to exercise independent smart judgment?

2007-09-08 20:14:52
411.   Andrew Shimmin
406- Three.

Hendrickson is the 327th VORPiest pitcher in baseball this year. Toby Hall is gone. And it's still not clear that the trade was lost. Really, the whole thing is too pathetic to spend any time thinking about.

2007-09-08 20:19:30
412.   Bluebleeder87
It looks like it's gonna be "One of those games" over in Arizona, 7-7 now.
2007-09-08 20:23:21
413.   regfairfield
Navarro had a .266/.345/.411 PECOTA projection heading into the year, with the theory being that he never really had time to develop in the minors and the beginning of his career could be considered development years. His overall numbers are still pathetic, and 120 AB is still small sample size, but the theory could just now be coming true.

Oh, and he has a better caught stealing percentage than Russ so that whole "he can't play defense" thing was probably a giant over reaction.

2007-09-08 20:26:17
414.   Bluebleeder87
Oh, and he has a better caught stealing percentage than Russ so that whole "he can't play defense" thing was probably a giant over reaction.

O.k.

2007-09-08 20:28:48
415.   King of the Hobos
410 If by smart, you mean embraces the sabermetric principles of lineup construction, the use of leverage in in-game decisions, etc., then there simply aren't any currently managing the 30 teams.

I know MGL thinks highly of Ned Yost, who apparently owns a copy of The Book, though who knows if he's actually read it or used it.

2007-09-08 20:37:35
416.   King of the Hobos
Toby Hall's season:

98 AB, .204/.210/.235, OPS+ of 20 (and that's before today's 0-3 performance), 5 PB, 20 SB, 2 CS

What an awful season, from all aspects. He really should have had the surgery back after he was hurt in April, considering how amazingly bad he's been while playing this year.

2007-09-08 20:39:02
417.   Andrew Shimmin
Ned Yost was a taxidermist.
2007-09-08 20:39:47
418.   natepurcell
Navarro had a .266/.345/.411 PECOTA projection heading into the year

interestingly, Russ had a 270/.352/.410 pecota projection coming into the year.

2007-09-08 20:43:41
419.   Jon Weisman
413/414 - Overreaction indeed. Navarro was sort of the Matt Kemp of his day. He had one game in Houston where he had this very costly passed ball, and all of a sudden people decided that he was hopeless behind the plate.

I never was convinced that Navarro would be better than Martin - and people like Canuck were sure from the start that he wouldn't be. But the way many people turned on him, despite his youth, was just another reflection of how so many people ignore age when they evaluate players. Why wouldn't he be improving. He's still only 23.

The argument against trading him to Tampa Bay last year is not that he should be starting over Martin. It's that he was more valuable than he was given credit for, even if he couldn't have been Martin's backup for lack of playing time.

2007-09-08 20:44:12
420.   King of the Hobos
417 He was also a member of Dale Earnhardt's pit crew.
2007-09-08 20:44:13
421.   Jon Weisman
By the way, you know what I mean with the Matt Kemp comparison - not that he had Kemp's hitting ability, but the whole focusing on the negative.
2007-09-08 20:50:46
422.   Andrew Shimmin
420- I liked that whoever added that bit felt it necessary to point out that he'd stopped being one after Dale Earnhardt died.
2007-09-08 20:50:51
423.   regfairfield
419 Exactly. Navarro had no future on the team, and I figured that even had he not gone down, Russ would have been the catcher by the end of 2007. His value lied in the fact that he was a huge trading chip, a player that would be very valuable to other clubs while being expendable to us.

We then effectively cashed that chip in for Toby Hall.

2007-09-08 21:01:10
424.   Greg Brock
Focusing on the negative is part and parcel when dealing with young players. Because young players are a threat to old players. And old players take care of each other.

God forbid baseball become a meritocracy. That would be terrible. Rookies are stoopid!

2007-09-08 21:03:14
425.   Bob Timmermann
The other thing I will add about the UCLA game is that bhsportsguy and I discovered that our season ticket seats are just a few rows apart. It's the old alumni section. There were a couple of people I seriously thought were making their last trip up the stairs.

Last in every sense of the word.

2007-09-08 21:08:48
426.   MJW101
Repko is the only player from the 99 draft still in the Dodger organization.

No player from the 2000 draft is still in the organization.

Luis Gonzalez is the only player left in the organization from the 2001 draft.

FIVE players from the 2002 draft (Loney, Broxton, Young, Stults and Martin) are currently on the Dodgers MLB team (McDonald and Miller still have a chance).

THREE players from the 2003 draft (Billingsley, Kemp and LaRoche) are currently on the Dodgers MLB team (Wright and Paul still have a chance).

EIGHT players from the 2 drafts on our current MLB team.

2007-09-08 21:21:19
427.   bhsportsguy
425 My day started in the beautiful South Bay with a family breakfast.

I eventually made my way to Pasadena, debating all the way of whether I should park at the Rose Bowl or take the shuttle.

I decided to take the shuttle so I parked at Parsons and then went to a local pub to have my traditional pre-game beer and sandwich. So while I am watching Cal hang on in Colorado and Oregon help Lloyd Carr out the door at a Michigan, the time grows close to about an hour before gametime.

Eventually, I get to the Rose Bowl and I am fumbling with my wallet to get my ticket so I go inside and I wanted to buy a program. So I reach into my pocket and my wallet isn't there so I know I dropped it outside the gate. So I have to go outside and retrace my steps and amazingly, I find it sitting on the ground, luckily I dropped on the grass cutout instead of the pavement.

In the midst of my search, I get annoyed with my I-Pod, so I rip off my earphones, and shove it in my bag.

So, now wallet in hand, I make it into the Rose Bowl in time for kickoff.

I'll skip the game.

So now, I have left and I am standing in line to get back on the shuttle. I pull out my I-Pod to listen to it while I wait and while part of the cord (its two parts) is their, the part with the earphones is gone. So now, I am faced with no earphones and I think it probably fell off when I ripped them off my head. But I can't recall exactly where I did that. And I'm tired so I think I may just have to face that I lost them.

Now, luckily, there was still a little light left, so I glance at that same cutout area and what do I see on the ground, yes, my earphones.

So as I rode the bus back to my car, I will say that while UCLA had a very fortunate day, no one had a luckier day than me today.

Oh, and yes, Bob and I are but a few rows apart and I'm sure that at some point, I'll be able to move down to share some baked goods with him.

But for now, I'm just happy to make it back home intact.

2007-09-08 21:27:45
428.   King of the Hobos
426 And Jon Meloan from 2005! Also, Zach Hammes is on the 40 man roster from 2002, so I'd say he has a legitimate shot as well.

I just realized White drafted Matt Antonelli out of high school in 2003. Sure would be nice if he were a Dodger and not a Padre right now. As a 22 year old second baseman:
A+ 347 ABs, .314/.409/.499
AA 180 ABs, .294/.395/.476

2007-09-08 22:15:29
429.   Bob Timmermann
Cycle alert canceled in Arizona.

Stand down.

2007-09-08 22:36:47
430.   Greg Brock
429 Thank you for using one "L" in canceled.

If Bob's on board with the proper spelling of canceled, we've won the fight.

2007-09-08 22:47:29
431.   Dodgers49
Well, it appears San Diego really doesn't trust Brett Tomko. :-) I was looking forward to us facing him on Thursday night but they just posted Greg Maddux as the starter to face Billingsley. Since Tomko isn't eligible for the playoffs it appears the only way we will face him this year is to get into the Padres bullpen.
2007-09-08 22:49:15
432.   Bob Timmermann
Are ASU and Colorado going to play for an indeterminate period?
2007-09-08 22:50:15
433.   Linkmeister
For the UH fans who couldn't watch, the Warriors pulled it out in OT, knocking down a 2-point conversion attempt at the goal line. Final score: 45-44.
2007-09-08 22:50:53
434.   Bob Timmermann
But UH isn't coming home after the game.
2007-09-08 22:53:04
435.   Greg Brock
433 Wow, I thought their goose was cooked.

My intel tells me that Colt looked terrible today.

2007-09-08 22:57:32
436.   das411
59 - I was at that 6-4 game!!!!!

426 - Wasn't Luis Gonzalez, um, winning a World Series with another team, in 2001? :)

2007-09-08 22:58:30
437.   Linkmeister
Well, his stats were good, but he was a little out of synch with his receivers for a while. And they dropped a few passes, too.

Game recap here:
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/recap?gid=200709080038

But I don't deny that the radio guys and I were both highly concerned until the UH field goal kicker hit a 49-yarder with 1:34 left in regulation to tie it. It was 4th and 19, and the broadcasters thought Jones was going to go for it; that shows how infrequently UH's field goal unit has been used in the past couple of years.

2007-09-08 23:05:17
438.   Some Guy in San Diego
I just wanted to give Toy Cannon a shout out for the DJ Bonebreak reference.

Many, many people don't understand how amazing a band X was, and still is. If they hit the scene in 1992 instead of the 80's.. they would've been the biggest thing ever.
I had my one and only chance to see them in person in 1995 at the House of Blues in Hollywood... I fought thru the crowd.. got dead center and anchored myself in front of Exene. It was amazing.. with Billy Zoom on guitar, damn fine.
By the way, and I say this as a USC Alum... LSU is a truly impressive football team. If the Trojans don't turn the hype into production next week, oy...

2007-09-08 23:21:22
439.   Greg Brock
438 You seemed like such a nice guy. To find out that you're a Southern Cal alum...Tragic.

Nobody's perfect.

2007-09-08 23:22:46
440.   underdog
438 - I dug the Bonebreak reference, too.

But hey, a few of us here at least appreciate the heck out of X.

https://dodgerthoughts.baseballtoaster.com/archives/716197.html

https://dodgerthoughts.baseballtoaster.com/archives/781522.html

Good times, good times...

I could see an X song being my at bat music if I were on the Dodgers.

2007-09-08 23:27:24
441.   underdog
436 Heh, um, this one actually:
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/G/Luis-Gonzalez-2.shtml
2007-09-08 23:39:34
442.   Some Guy in San Diego
I'm not perfect Greg, but I have a lot of friends that pay A LOT of property taxes in the South Bay with kids in public schools.

I actually root for the Bruins when they're not playing SC. I grew up in Hawaii and was a fan of all things LA, I just ended up a Trojan.

Not to be redundant, but X is amazing. I remember the first time I heard Everclear's hit "Santa Monica", I thought.. "these guys have to be X fans".. sure enought on the liner notes, "thanks to John Doe".

2007-09-08 23:41:35
443.   xaphor
440 "I Must Not Think Bad Thoughts" should be the DT theme song.
2007-09-08 23:44:06
444.   Greg Brock
442 Let me know about your friends in the South Bay. If their kids are my students, I'll fail them for you. We teachers wield a lot of power.

I'd be more than happy to fail some students for a quick buck. I have no morals.

2007-09-08 23:45:10
445.   King of the Hobos
If anyone's interested in learning a little about Logan White's potential GM rivals, John Perrotto did a good job of composing a list of the top GM candidates (White, Ng, DePo, and Evans all made the top twelve):

http://tinyurl.com/yoo6xn

2007-09-08 23:49:35
446.   Some Guy in San Diego
Greg, you are a funny man. So weird.. I was strangely obsessed with the "real" Greg Brock's potential when I was in high school. I would just like to say you've turned his on-the-field potential into on-line performance. Thanks for fulfilling the promise.
2007-09-08 23:53:08
447.   Greg Brock
446 In the pantheon of DT posters, I'm in the top ten. But I'm not in the top five.
2007-09-08 23:58:08
448.   CanuckDodger
447 -- There's a pantheon? Who makes the top five? Who are the other four in the six to ten range?
2007-09-08 23:58:24
449.   Some Guy in San Diego
Well, that depends on what you look for on this board.
My favorites are Jon, Bob Timmerman, and you.
There are many, many great contributors here.. all of whom speak WAY over my head..
your humor is what I enjoy.
What grade level do you teach anyway? Sorry if that's old news, or something you don't share.
2007-09-09 00:02:35
450.   Greg Brock
448 It depends on what you're looking for in DT posters. If you want substantive analysis...I'm out. Not even top 30. If you're looking for prospect stuff, you and Nate are "The Guys" to talk to. Baseball stuff, terminology and whatnot, I've played with a few major leaguers, so I'm right there. If you're looking for total silliness and complete irrelevance, I'm in the mix.

449 I'm teaching middle school this year.

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2007-09-09 00:06:38
451.   Some Guy in San Diego
The children I know won't be bothering you for several years.
I never played organized ball. Just enjoy it and have met several major leaguers.
I used to work for a radio station in LA and met some interesting baseball people, Tommy being the most entertaining.
2007-09-09 00:07:22
452.   Some Guy in San Diego
BTW, by "entertaining" I mean profane.
2007-09-09 00:16:12
453.   Bob Timmermann
Is "entertaining" going to become the Rule 1 violation code word like "interesting" does for Rule 9.
2007-09-09 00:21:00
454.   Some Guy in San Diego
Bob, that'll be up to the community.
Besides being blue, Tommy seemed quite bitter. His disdain for Fred Claire, and many others, was quite remarkable.
2007-09-09 00:22:10
455.   Eric Stephen
447 My unscientific take on the DT Top Ten:

1) Jon Weisman (as obvious a choice as UHF for greatest movie ever!)
2) Bob Timmermann (a combination of knowledge and dry wit like no other)
3) bhsportsguy (common sense to the extreme, combined with a baking prowess)
4) Eric Enders (historian, Gagne look alike, occasional insider access)
5) Greg Brock (funniest person here)
6) ToyCannon (always brings a great perspective)
7) regfairfield (stats combined with great knowledge)
8) natepurcell (we all live vicariously through him; oh yeah, he's great at the prospect info too)
9) CanuckDodger (prospect guru, a wealth of info)
10) Marty (hilarious)

Apologies to Andrew Shimmin, Suffering Bruin, Bluebleeder87, and LAT, who narrowly missed the cut.

2007-09-09 00:26:32
456.   Linkmeister
455 Fine. See if I add you to my Facebook friends list.

(I'm reverting to high school)

2007-09-09 00:27:34
457.   Eric Stephen
456 I'm going to use an east coast AP voter's excuse: Your posts are too late! I'm already asleep. :)
2007-09-09 00:29:36
458.   Linkmeister
457 Heh. Good enough for me.
2007-09-09 00:31:01
459.   Some Guy in San Diego
I think Eric's list is damn fine.
Seriously, as someone who has been reading this site for years now, those are some great contributors.
2007-09-09 00:32:38
460.   Greg Brock
455 It's basically Jon, Bob, and everybody else. I appreciate the "funniest person here" ranking, but Jon and Bob are the show.

And trust me, I know bhsporstguy...He's on my speed dial...He's not that funny. He's not remotely entertaining. And Enders is just another one of those brilliant people that likes to bowl you over with how brilliant he is. "Oh, look at me, I'm Eric Enders, and I'm really, really smart. I know about stuff...I'm a genius!" Yeah, well, so what?

I should be higher in the rankings. In fact, I should be number one.

2007-09-09 00:34:33
461.   King of the Hobos
Who cares about quality when you can have quantity? I'll always have my title as the Eleventh Highest Content Creator as of March 8th, 2007.
2007-09-09 00:39:20
462.   Some Guy in San Diego
I will say that Eric Young is one of my favorite baseball players, period. So few of them seem to want to share their love of the game with fans (if they have any), but EY would talk baseball with anyone, and be happy about it.
I know that was random, but it's late in the midwest.
2007-09-09 00:40:41
463.   Bob Timmermann
But all I really do is criticize the people of St. Louis.
2007-09-09 00:41:53
464.   Eric Stephen
462 The midwest? Is there a San Diego in Ohio that I don't know about?

I like Eric Young too, but he is really, really bad on Baseball Tonight. A good drinking game is to drink every time EY says "I'll tell you what."

2007-09-09 00:41:53
465.   Greg Brock
455 And Andrew Grant isn't funny at all. All he does is bring stats and knowledge. He doesn't even make juvenile jokes. And ToyCannon just combines stats with insight. And nobody cares about that. That's just good reportage, and that's BORING. Nate and Canuck talk about prospects, and I don't care about that until they make the show. And Marty...Don't even get me started...Yeah, he's funny and nice and everybody's favorite guy, but he's flawed.

I'm just trying to say that I'm the backbone of this operation.

2007-09-09 00:42:00
466.   bhsportsguy
460 I'd rebut that but I'm still trying to figure out how the Dodgers won a game that I did not follow at all and did not know the score until Bob Timmermann told me at halftime.

The funniest thing is that if you ever met Greg Brock, you would have no idea that he is "Greg Brock."

2007-09-09 00:42:28
467.   Some Guy in San Diego
I hate them too. Wait, no.. I'm a Rams fan.. arrrrrrrrrggghhhhhhh.
2007-09-09 00:44:16
468.   Greg Brock
And you didn't even mention underdog or icaros, both of whom represent the very worst of DT. I hate those guys!
2007-09-09 00:44:32
469.   bhsportsguy
463 And you ignore the northern part of this state.
2007-09-09 00:45:11
470.   Eric Stephen
I can't believe I didn't realize this until this very moment.

Greg Brock's uniform number with the Dodgers: 9

Current Dodger #9: Juan Pierre

Well played secret fandom, sir.

2007-09-09 00:46:01
471.   Some Guy in San Diego
Eric,
I was "Some Guy in San Diego" until January. I'm now, officially, "Some Guy in Omaha". It's just hard to give up my last claim to Southern California.
Greg, I'd say you're the spine of this operation... if it was twisted and turned.
2007-09-09 00:46:07
472.   Greg Brock
466 Yeah, I'm pretty much the world's most boring human in person.

The tubes make me funnier. I'm not that funny live.

2007-09-09 00:46:28
473.   Eric Stephen
468 Icaros and underdog are definitely top 20. They work in the Northern California Bureau of DT.
2007-09-09 00:47:36
474.   Greg Brock
471 I'm the Scoliosis of this operation.
2007-09-09 00:48:00
475.   Eric Stephen
All this ranking talk is too competitive. We need to get back to casting Dodger Thoughts: The Movie. Brock, what is the current cast list?
2007-09-09 00:50:11
476.   bhsportsguy
470 Did you ever of the film, "The List of Adrian Messenger?" Well, you have now made Greg Brock's list.
2007-09-09 00:52:00
477.   Some Guy in San Diego
If it helps, I'm a Ben Affleck look alike.
I also work for scale.
2007-09-09 00:53:51
478.   regfairfield
My Mom thinks I'm funny.
2007-09-09 00:56:53
479.   Bob Timmermann
My mom never thought I was funny. But she was from St. Louis.
2007-09-09 00:57:07
480.   Greg Brock
475 Dodger Thoughts: The Movie

Is currently in development hell. Now that I've met so many of you, my casting list is out the door. I had BH as Richard Benjamin...and now that I've met him I know how bad the casting list is. BH would probably be played by Ken Watanabe.

Suffering Bruin will be played by Daniel Craig...That's for sure. LAT will be played by George Clooney. Once we get past those dreamy leads, the rest is up in the air.

2007-09-09 01:01:02
481.   Greg Brock
478 My mom thinks I'm funny

Your mom is wrong. But you're still one of the best posters around here. But not funny

I'm still having a huge problem casting Bob Timmermann.

2007-09-09 01:02:14
482.   Eric Stephen
476 Never seen that movie, but the cast list of that movie is great. The first 6 names on IMDB:

Tony Curtis
Kirk Douglas
Burt Lancaster
Robert Mitchum
Frank Sinatra
George C. Scott

2007-09-09 01:02:30
483.   bhsportsguy
The key scene is a dream sequence where during the DT meeting with Frank McCourt, Greg Brock finally yells "that is quite enough!" and hurls his complimentary media guide at the motion detector.
2007-09-09 01:03:21
484.   bhsportsguy
482 The Get Smart parody with Pat Paulsen was good too.
2007-09-09 01:04:39
485.   Greg Brock
Andrew Grant is Shane Carruth. If you haven't seen "Primer" then ignore the casting choice.

But if you've seen the movie, you know that it's a compliment.

2007-09-09 01:05:27
486.   Eric Stephen
481 I'm still having a huge problem casting Bob Timmermann

Peter Krause?

2007-09-09 01:05:34
487.   Some Guy in San Diego
I get the whole casting Bob problem.
The way I see it, you have to basic options:
1)He's the Wizard.. the guy behind the curtain. So someone who could replicate that role.
2)Charlie, from "Charlie's Angels". Seriously, that guy had it all figured out.
Who could be the new Forsythe?
2007-09-09 01:08:51
488.   trainwreck
I thought Bob was Harold Ramis? Bob even approved of it.
2007-09-09 01:09:55
489.   Greg Brock
I cast Bob as Mort Sahl. He hated it.
I cast Bob as Tom Lehrer. He hated it.

I don't know how to cast Bob. I gave him the two most brilliant comedians of the last half century, and he declined both of them.

Bob will be played by Bob Newhart. No more arguments. The cast has been set.

2007-09-09 01:10:03
490.   Eric Stephen
488 Harold Ramis is a great choice for Bob.

"Do..."
"Re..."
"Bob!"

2007-09-09 01:12:07
491.   Some Guy in San Diego
I just had a horrible, horrible realization.
I'm neither "eastern most in quality", nor "western most in flavor".
(sigh)
2007-09-09 01:13:15
492.   regfairfield
485 I've always seen myself as more of a Brad Pitt or Johnny Depp. Maybe Daniel Craig if you don't mind getting the accent wrong.
2007-09-09 01:13:17
493.   bhsportsguy
489 Bob Newhart is 78 years old and is 5 feet, 8 inches tall.
2007-09-09 01:13:39
494.   Greg Brock
Bob can choose between Bob Newhart and Harold Ramis.
2007-09-09 01:14:25
495.   Eric Stephen
491 I just realized I left Sam DC off my list. He's probably tied with Marty at #10. Sam DC is the "eastern most in quality", for sure.
2007-09-09 01:15:26
496.   Greg Brock
492 Have you seen Shane Carruth? He's dreamy. I gave you a solid actor.

Don't get picky, Andrew.

2007-09-09 01:17:27
497.   trainwreck
496
Shane Carruth dreamy? He looks like Tom York from Radiohead.
2007-09-09 01:17:43
498.   Greg Brock
495 Don't worry about Sam. He won't take it personally...Sam DC is awesome.

Sam DC has already been cast as David Strathairn.

2007-09-09 01:19:41
499.   regfairfield
496 I looked him up and the thought that came to mind is "well, he looks like less of a dork than the other people in this movie".

Then again, glass houses, stones, etc.

2007-09-09 01:20:26
500.   Greg Brock
497 trainwreck, your random ethnicities prevent me from choosing an actor for you.

Would you like to make a recommendation? M. Night meets Russell Crowe? Help me out here.

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2007-09-09 01:23:07
501.   Greg Brock
499 I picked Shane Carruth because he is handsome yet smart. If you wanna nit-pick, I can go another way.

Andrew Grant will now be played by Julia Styles.

2007-09-09 01:23:19
502.   trainwreck
500
I am too much of a mutt to look like anyone. I just want someone who can get attractive women.

You can cast me as Ellen Degeneres for all I care.

2007-09-09 01:28:39
503.   Greg Brock
502 I want to incorporate your Indian heritage with an ability to pull hot broads.

Gandhi meets Duchovny. Congrats...You are now played by Jay Chandrasekhar.

2007-09-09 01:28:52
504.   trainwreck
Actually, Arj Barker probably works. He is half-Indian and white, which is similar to me.

Works for other reasons too.

2007-09-09 01:29:23
505.   trainwreck
504
Arj Barker is Dave from Flight of the Conchords, if anyone did not know.
2007-09-09 01:29:59
506.   regfairfield
501 I'm just giving you a hard time.

Though Julia Stiles is pretty dang attractive.

2007-09-09 01:30:19
507.   bhsportsguy
502 This board is much nicer tonight than the one on BRO.
2007-09-09 01:33:40
508.   trainwreck
507
If you think BRO is bad, go over to Bruins Nation.
2007-09-09 01:34:30
509.   Greg Brock
506 I gave you Shane Carruth. Keep giving me a hard time, and you'll be played by the fat guy from Beyond Thunderdome.

Andrew Grant will now be played by MasterBlaster.

2007-09-09 01:34:31
510.   regfairfield
According to some facial recognition software I just tried, the celebrity I most resemble is Ashley Olsen.

Sophie Marceau also made the top five for me. Draw your own conclusions.

2007-09-09 01:35:46
511.   bhsportsguy
508 No surprise there.
2007-09-09 01:36:57
512.   trainwreck
510
Sophie Marceau is extremely attractive.

This is awkward.

2007-09-09 01:43:14
513.   bhsportsguy
Ahh Late Night at Dodger Thoughts, nothing like it.

And we have California covered.

2007-09-09 01:57:47
514.   King of the Hobos
510 prompted me to try a facial recognition site, and apparently the celebrity I most closely resemble is Ana Beatriz Barros, though I also share a resemblance with Andre Braugher, Brad Pitt, and Tiiu Kuik.
2007-09-09 02:06:49
515.   Michael D
Forgive me if this has been answered but is tomorrow's game on tv?
2007-09-09 02:44:22
516.   El Lay Dave
430. Greg Brock
429 Thank you for using one "L" in canceled.

He traveled a long way and excelled at spelling "canceled".

2007-09-09 02:48:17
517.   xaphor
515 Tomorrow's game is on FSN Prime Ticket.
2007-09-09 02:49:09
518.   El Lay Dave
455 dzzrtRatt deserves an "apology" there too, IMHO.
2007-09-09 02:49:40
519.   El Lay Dave
460 I should be higher in the rankings. In fact, I arguably should be number one. Fixed, Joe Morgan style.
2007-09-09 02:55:58
520.   El Lay Dave
494 Somehow, I see Bob T. as Fred MacMurray. Usually the nice guy, but ready to go "Double Indemnity" on stone fruits and San Francisco.
2007-09-09 03:07:54
521.   ToyCannon
520
Good call but Ramis also fits, brainy but awkward in a good way.

It is 3:00 on Sunday Morning and I've decided we need a DT Sunday Picnic Softball game where the over 40's play the under 40's once the Dodger season is over in November. The field on Ohio/Sepulveda should do the trick.

2007-09-09 03:11:46
522.   El Lay Dave
514 Facial recognition software is hilarious. Using the DT photo of me by ToyCannon

My 1, 3, and 4 (I didn't recognize 2) matches for men: Ernest Hemingway, Phillip Seymour Hoffman and Ted Bundy!

1, 2, 3 for women: South Korean actress Son Ye-jin (the highest match), Halle Berry (same % as Hemingway), and Letizia Ortiz Rocasolano, Princess of Asturias

2007-09-09 03:13:55
523.   El Lay Dave
521 Splendid idea - brilliant and optimistic. I like it.
2007-09-09 07:09:21
524.   D4P
This thread is hurtful.
2007-09-09 07:56:14
525.   Bluebleeder87
I just wanna give Kudos to David Wells for a great pitching performance yesterday, hopefully Brad Penny gives us a similar performance, should be a great match up Penny vs Cain.
2007-09-09 08:36:13
526.   Xeifrank
Colorado vs Philadelphia
and
San Diego vs LA Dodgers
early in the week. A big couple of days for the wild-card race.
vr, Xei
2007-09-09 08:46:46
527.   Bluebleeder87
reading this little [ http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=los ] tid bit on espn.com makes me wonder if he'll give Nomar the start today at 1st base.
2007-09-09 08:55:38
528.   Peanuts in My Shoes
527. Today's LA Times says, "Garciaparra sat out Saturday's game but is expected back in the lineup today." So...1B or 3B, which would mean three consecutive days off for LaRoche? Either way, I just dont get it.
2007-09-09 08:59:23
529.   Bob Timmermann
Since Nomar Garciaparra is a third baseman now, that's where he will start.

I don't think he would play first now unless there were several emergencies. And after Loney, the Dodgers have four players who can play first: Hillenbrand, Saenz, Kent, and Martinez.

2007-09-09 08:59:25
530.   Jon Weisman
New post up top.
2007-09-09 09:16:23
531.   goofus
29 And Sweeney.

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