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A Dream Is a Wish Your Heart Makes
2007-09-11 17:40
by Jon Weisman

Tonight's game:


Retro Gameday

Comments (585)
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2007-09-11 17:44:51
1.   Bob Timmermann
I thought a dream was a lie that don't come true?
2007-09-11 17:44:58
2.   Jon Weisman
Colorado 4, Philadelphia 0, sixth inning
2007-09-11 17:45:25
3.   Jon Weisman
1 - That's for after we see the picture of the fishes.
2007-09-11 17:47:14
4.   Eric Stephen
Phase I of the Dodger Wild Card March: Rockies up 4-0 on Philly in the 6th.
2007-09-11 17:47:29
5.   das411
2 - Whatareya tryin to do, get me to watch the Dodgers now Jon? :)
2007-09-11 17:47:50
6.   Eric Stephen
2 You were faster than me because I was reading Fungoes!
2007-09-11 17:48:43
7.   Eric Enders
1 No. It's something worse.
2007-09-11 17:50:03
8.   Zak
From last thread

270 So why would he not give DePo the opportunity to beat, or match, Seattle's best offer. I have my doubts that DePo would have matched it anyway. But that's beside the point. It's just seems odd that he wasn't given the opportunity.

Possibly because if DePo matched Seattle's offer, no one would pay $55 million for Drew. I say possibly because I don't know, you don't know and we'll probably never find out. But that's one school of thought.

2007-09-11 17:50:26
9.   Dodgers49
Got LAT'ed. :-)

270. Dodgers49
163. 158 I think the issue is, was Boras negligent in his fiduciary duty to Beltre by not soliciting a higher bid from the Dodgers after he recieved Seattle's bid?

Correct. What I found so strange about what DePo said is that Boras is known for raising the bids for his free agents by getting GMs into bidding wars. Heck, he even got The Sheriff to bid against himself for Kevin Brown. So why would he not give DePo the opportunity to beat, or match, Seattle's best offer. I have my doubts that DePo would have matched it anyway. But that's beside the point. It's just seems odd that he wasn't given the opportunity.

2007-09-11 17:51:30
10.   Zak
I wish that 3-13 run the Dodgers went on last month was a dream.
2007-09-11 17:55:18
11.   Bluebleeder87
XeiFrank machine says we have a good chance of winning but I don't really trust it.
2007-09-11 17:57:40
12.   Eric Stephen
The Dodgers need to win their final 19 games to make my prediction dream/wish that their 2007 record would be 94-68.

I also said Furcal would score 125 runs. Yikes.

2007-09-11 17:58:18
13.   BlueMamma
Can someone tell me what it means to be LAT'ed?
2007-09-11 18:01:35
14.   Bluebleeder87
I just looked at Jake Peavy's splits, He only pitched 4 innings on that ILL faded attempt on going on 3 days rest so I don't think it affected him all that much.
2007-09-11 18:01:38
15.   Eric Stephen
LAT is infamous for having a post that ends up being the last (or close to it) in a thread because Jon has put a New Post Up Top™ ("NPUT")
2007-09-11 18:01:46
16.   Curtis Lowe
My dreams gave up on me along time ago...

Lets Go Dodgers!!!

2007-09-11 18:02:58
18.   Disabled List
LAT = Left At (old) Thread
2007-09-11 18:04:55
19.   Eric Stephen
17 We have a new verb: To "underdog" a post.
2007-09-11 18:05:12
20.   Zak
17 So, how many characters can you post in one post on the Toaster?
2007-09-11 18:07:11
21.   Disabled List
It's a goof thing that was the old thread. If he posted the entire current thread into the current thread, that would've caused a rip in the space-time-thread continuum.

The Toaster would've ate itself.

2007-09-11 18:07:21
22.   underdog
Oh crap! That was a total mistake! Please delete that! Sorry guys.

I think my copy and paste went haywire. Just read the darned post in the previous thread. Ack.

2007-09-11 18:07:46
23.   Disabled List
goof=good. That's a great typo.
2007-09-11 18:07:50
24.   Andrew Shimmin
20- Apparently 59774.
2007-09-11 18:08:22
25.   Bluebleeder87

Yeah, that wasn't cool underdog, what gives??

2007-09-11 18:08:29
26.   underdog
LOL. I think I just had my own individual space time continuum. A wormhole ate my brain!

Are you there Dog? It's me, Magritte.

Sigh, it's been a really long day at work.

2007-09-11 18:08:38
27.   Zak
21 On the other hand, I do want to see right now what I am going to be posting around 9:30 pm tonight.
2007-09-11 18:09:28
28.   Dodgers49
WOW! What a post. :-)

If anyone should get LAT'ed this should be it. :-)

2007-09-11 18:09:32
29.   underdog
Well, BB, if the opposite of cool is completely spastic, than yes, that wasn't cool.

I'm gonna skulk off of here for awhile. Ken, Bob, Jon? Anyone around? Delete! Delete!

At least I didn't copy and paste porn by accident.

2007-09-11 18:10:08
30.   Zak
26 It's ok man. Just lay off the Ctrl-c and Ctrl-v for a while and it'll all be ok.
2007-09-11 18:10:46
31.   trainwreck
Longest post ever!
2007-09-11 18:11:22
32.   Sam DC
Discretionary win rule is off in South Fl.

LAT is a commenter here who has a knack for putting in comments just as a new thread opens up, orphaning them in the stale thread below. So being LAT'd is posting a comment just as a new thread opens.

2007-09-11 18:11:42
33.   Bluebleeder87
At least I didn't copy and paste porn by accident.

well if you put it that way, I guess it wasn't that bad. :o)

2007-09-11 18:12:19
34.   underdog

Whoa. In other news.. Charlie Frye was traded to the Seahawks.

2007-09-11 18:12:20
35.   Zak
31 And the record can never be broken, only tied. Thanks 24 .
2007-09-11 18:12:45
36.   King of the Hobos
The winner of the Nats game is no longer in doubt, assuming Logan Kensing pitched sufficiently well enough for the official scorer and the Nats don't score any more runs.
2007-09-11 18:13:33
37.   underdog
That was like one of those faux posts that that dork does on Inside the Dodgers comment threads when trying to post as a DT commenter, except in my case it was purely innocent and more just along the lines of retardation.
2007-09-11 18:14:08
38.   trainwreck
The balance of power shifts to the NFC.
2007-09-11 18:14:37
39.   Bob Timmermann
Comment 17 deleted to make everybody's life easier.
2007-09-11 18:15:04
40.   underdog
Maybe I can make up for it by posting a link to this cute essay written for Yahoo by the 11 year old son of Dave Jauss:
>>Editor's note: Will Jauss, the 11-year-old son of Los Angeles Dodgers coach Dave Jauss, lives every kid's dream: He gets to hang out with a Major League baseball team all summer. Will shared some of his experiences with Yahoo! Sports. Email Will at<<

Doesn't his brother on the left look like the kid from Freaks and Geeks?

2007-09-11 18:15:25
41.   Zak
37 Well, at least you covered a whole range of topics in your post.
2007-09-11 18:15:31
42.   Andrew Shimmin
Remember that one guy who registered the user name Dodger Thoughts? That was awesome.
2007-09-11 18:15:32
43.   underdog
Thanks Bob!

{removes self from underneath desk}

2007-09-11 18:16:44
44.   underdog
From Will Jauss:
>>"We had Jose Cruz Jr. on our team last year, and I became really good friends with his kids. They didn't come back this year. I was excited to be able to spend two whole summers with my best friends, the Beimel kids and the Kent kids. I also made new friends with the Gonzalez kids. We will see who next year brings."<<
2007-09-11 18:17:38
45.   bhsportsguy
Boy I'm sorry I missed number 17.
2007-09-11 18:18:02
46.   bhsportsguy
44 And I posted that link yesterday.

But its cool.

2007-09-11 18:18:19
47.   Eric Stephen
So the Dodgers have 19 games left this season. They immediately followed their worst 19-gm stretch of the year (4-15 from July 24-Aug 14) with their best 19-gm stretch (13-6, Aug 15-Sep 4).

It's not quite 17-1 following 1-13 last July & August, but quite a turnaround nonetheless.

Rockies are pouring it on in Philly. 7-0 with runners on 2nd & 3rd for the Rockies, top 7.

2007-09-11 18:18:19
48.   El Lay Dave
45 Don't worry, you've seen it all before.
2007-09-11 18:19:09
49.   trainwreck
Hehe, I was just waiting for you to crush underdog's shot at redemption.
2007-09-11 18:19:58
50.   Disabled List
I have a good feeling about this thread. Very entertaining so far.

If the Dodgers do their part tonight, this one could be an ESPY nominee.

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2007-09-11 18:20:08
51.   underdog
45/48 - Literally. bh, i just accidentally cut and pasted the last section of the last comment thread, so it was a long block of pointlessness. I will no longer multi task!

Gonna leave you all in peace for awhile before I accidentally send us through a wormhole or something.

2007-09-11 18:21:07
52.   Sam DC
Meanwhile, 18 is pretty great too.

It's not true, but you get the sense that, in a few years, it could be.

2007-09-11 18:21:30
53.   Eric Stephen
51 We may need the wormhole or some other cosmic force to beat Peavy tonight. Post on, underdog!
2007-09-11 18:21:39
54.   underdog
Darn, 46 and I thought I'd read everything the last couple days. Sigh. They just headlined it on Yahoo for some reason...

So who has week 3 in the Brady Quinn Start pool?

2007-09-11 18:22:54
55.   underdog
53 Maybe we can go back in time to play the 1979 Padres?
2007-09-11 18:23:00
56.   trainwreck
I am more mad at the fact that the Browns basically guaranteed the Cowboys getting Darren McFadden.

What a terrible trade.

2007-09-11 18:25:18
57.   Disabled List
The Browns are gonna ruin Brady Quinn just like they ruined Tim Couch.
2007-09-11 18:27:12
58.   Eric Stephen
55 The Dodgers were 9-9 against the Padres in 1979.

The 2007 Dodgers are 6-9 versus the Padres. There's only one way to make it 9-9.

I like your style, underdog.

2007-09-11 18:27:28
59.   Sam DC
Yellow alert in S. Fl. -- Hanley Ramirez needs a triple. He's batting now in the sixth of a one run game.
2007-09-11 18:29:12
60.   Sam DC

May get another chance, but not a sure thing with the Nationals trailing.

2007-09-11 18:29:46
61.   Curtis Lowe
If LaRoche starts at 3b next year will he be eligible for RotY?
2007-09-11 18:30:41
62.   trainwreck
2007-09-11 18:31:10
63.   regfairfield
61 Yep. Unless he starts everyday from here on out, the 130 PA threshold is impossible, and he would have to be on the roster for 45 days outside of September to lose his illegibility that way.
2007-09-11 18:32:08
64.   Linkmeister
You know, if there was a way to do a word or character count, before it got deleted that might have been a good test of the Toaster's capacity.
2007-09-11 18:32:21
65.   Bob Timmermann
Can the Dodgers go back in time to play the 1974 Padres? And make Dan Spillner disappear?
2007-09-11 18:33:34
66.   Eric Stephen
61 You need less than 130 ABs to be a rookie, so it looks like he will almost certainly qualify next year.

Perhaps leading to another run of 4 straight Dodger ROYs?

2007-09-11 18:34:51
67.   El Lay Dave
Peavy has five days rest tonight. He's made nine starts this year on five days rest with these results:

6-0 60.2 IP 1.48 ERA 33 hits, 1 HR, 18 BB, 69K.

2007-09-11 18:35:12
68.   Eric Stephen
63 Does MLB use 130 PA or AB? It would make more sense to use PA, but I think they use ABs.
2007-09-11 18:35:36
69.   underdog
65 And so it shall be done.

This reminds me of the Patton Oswalt routine on if he had a time machine, he's such a geek that he'd use it to go back to the early 90s to kill George Lucas with a shovel. Before he could make any of the prequels.

2007-09-11 18:35:47
70.   El Lay Dave
64 see 24

Great minds....

2007-09-11 18:36:36
71.   Curtis Lowe
62,63,66 - Thanks.

There goes good ol'Grady putting LaRoche in a position to succeed.

2007-09-11 18:37:39
72.   regfairfield
68 I've always assumed PA. I could be wrong.
2007-09-11 18:37:52
73.   bearlurker
9 Depo got taken to the cleaners by Boras that offseason, losing Beltre and then doing that ill advised Drew deal with the one sided out clause for Drew.
2007-09-11 18:38:20
74.   Linkmeister
70 Oh! I saw Andrew's comment as it went by but didn't make the connection. It looked like some new-found Internet code like leet-speak. "Andrew being Andrew," I thought, and went right on past.
2007-09-11 18:38:27
75.   Andrew Shimmin
64- Well, I'm not sure the site I used was accurate (it was an embedded Java app), but I did a character count. It was 59774 characters long. Oh. I have a word processor! MS Word counts it as 58714, with spaces; 49103 without. 10,472 words over 32 pages.
2007-09-11 18:39:20
76.   Eric Stephen
67 The Padres did lose 1 of those 9 starts though. To quote Lloyd Christmas, "so you're saying there's a chance!"

Two of the no-decisions were against the Dodgers. But, the Padres won both of those games. The first of those was the worst loss of the year, the 5 runs in the 9th, Kent/Nomar/Broxton 6-5 loss in SD.

2007-09-11 18:39:50
77.   Andrew Shimmin
74- I'm like a velociraptor, probing defenses, observing responses. Biding my time. . .
2007-09-11 18:40:25
78.   Eric Enders
63 It's going to take a lot of work for LaRoche to lose his illegibility. ;)

2007-09-11 18:41:53
79.   Linkmeister
77 Sounds ominous. Pick on the Fathers (as ESPN's guys kept calling them on late-night SportsCenter last evening), willya?
2007-09-11 18:41:53
80.   regfairfield
73 Yet somehow we came out ahead on the Drew contract.
2007-09-11 18:42:36
81.   Vishal
63 lose his illegibility

does he have penmanship problems?

2007-09-11 18:42:39
82.   El Lay Dave
Padres lineup:

B. Giles rf
G. Blum 2b
M. Cameron cf
A. Gonzalez 1b
K. Greene ss
K. Kouzmanoff 3b
T. Sledge lf
J. Bard c
J. Peavy p

This does not look like something Loaiza should fear.

2007-09-11 18:43:21
83.   Vishal
78 oh, i guess he does! hahah.

darn you for beating me to the punch though :P

2007-09-11 18:44:04
84.   King of the Hobos
A player shall be considered a rookie unless, during a previous season or seasons, he has (a) exceeded 130 at-bats or 50 innings pitched in the Major Leagues;

2007-09-11 18:44:35
85.   das411
Jimmy Rollins with his career high 27(!)th home run, now 7-1 Rockies, bottom 8th. And if there's any team out there that could come back from down this far...
2007-09-11 18:46:18
86.   Eric Enders
82 There aren't too many lineups that could be improved by swapping #2 hitters with the Dodgers. That's one of them.
2007-09-11 18:47:18
87.   Eric Stephen
86 One World Series Hero for another!
2007-09-11 18:47:19
88.   Curtis Lowe
78 - Are you sure that isn't doctored?
2007-09-11 18:49:51
89.   Bob Timmermann
The Red Sox have erased an 8-1 deficit to the Rays and are tied 9-9 in the 6th.

Old friend Brian Corey pitching for the Sox.

2007-09-11 18:54:12
90.   King of the Hobos
86 Their OBP and SLG are essentially the same. Pierre has an EQA of .245, Blum .242. I'm not so sure Pierre really is better than Blum, other than his speed once on the bases (although I'm sure Blum is actually a decent defender)
2007-09-11 18:59:10
91.   Sam DC
60 Ramirez should bat again next inning.
2007-09-11 19:00:56
92.   ToyCannon
Nice to see Wily Mo living up to my expectations. I'd like to see him hit a couple where Hondo used to hit them before they move.
2007-09-11 19:04:03
93.   Bob Timmermann
And now the Red Sox lead 12-9. And they're just in the bottom of the 6th.
2007-09-11 19:07:51
94.   Sam DC
Here's Hanley.
2007-09-11 19:08:42
95.   Sam DC
Well . . . a second HR . . .
2007-09-11 19:09:25
96.   Eric Stephen
I'd give Hanley the MVP, but I doubt he'll come close to getting the actual award.
2007-09-11 19:10:52
97.   ToyCannon
Wish that had been on TV. Mr. Navarro continues to tear it up in the 2nd half.
JD Drew is now the 4th best outfielder on the RedSox, as Ellsbury looks as good as they said.
2007-09-11 19:11:48
98.   Bluebleeder87
any body have Loaiza #'s pitching at Dodger Stadium?
2007-09-11 19:12:28
99.   trainwreck
Me too.
2007-09-11 19:13:00
100.   D4P
Woah. Furkle's OPS is only 19 points above Pierre's.
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2007-09-11 19:13:03
101.   King of the Hobos
97 Crisp is better than Drew?
2007-09-11 19:14:28
102.   Bluebleeder87
Looks like we're gonna have a minimal strike zone today with this ump.
2007-09-11 19:15:01
103.   ToyCannon
Right now he is. His defense in CF is what kept him in the lineup, and his offense has been good enough since the slow start.
2007-09-11 19:15:31
104.   Andrew Shimmin
98- 47 IP 4.02 ERA 31 Ks 14 BBss
2007-09-11 19:16:40
105.   Eric Stephen
98 8 starts, 2-2, 47 IP, 4.02 ERA, including a game Bob was at.

2007-09-11 19:17:24
106.   MollyKnight
What's the over/under on total bases this inning?
2007-09-11 19:18:16
107.   Bluebleeder87
woah, Loaiza dialed it up to 91mph.
2007-09-11 19:18:22
108.   trainwreck
Wow, 91 mph!
2007-09-11 19:18:38
109.   Eric Stephen
106 Two.

I'll take the under.

2007-09-11 19:19:18
110.   Bluebleeder87
in Bob's spirit, do we have 2 Tijuanians right now? Gonzalez & Loaiza.
2007-09-11 19:20:26
111.   MMSMikey
i just do see any situation where the dodgers score off peavy tonight
2007-09-11 19:20:44
112.   MMSMikey
don't see.
2007-09-11 19:20:55
113.   El Lay Dave
110 Gonzalez was born in San Diego, so almost.
2007-09-11 19:21:48
114.   Eric Stephen
Meloan hasn't pitched since last Wednesday. I wonder if he'll get some work tonight (hopefully before the third inning or so the way Loaiza's going).
2007-09-11 19:23:01
115.   MMSMikey
1 run outta do it for the padres
2007-09-11 19:23:26
116.   Eric Stephen
I wonder if Kemp would have gunned down Giles on that. :)
2007-09-11 19:23:27
117.   NorCal-Dodger
Is Loazia that wild, or is the Ump blind..some of those called Balls on Gameday looks like Strikes to me???
2007-09-11 19:23:35
118.   MollyKnight
2007-09-11 19:24:11
119.   El Lay Dave
111 How about Loney doubles, Kent singles?
2007-09-11 19:24:19
120.   Gen3Blue
I've never seen a clutch of millonaire pitchers who can't find the plate for two innings. At least I am glad we are not in a pitchers park like San Diego while facing Peavey.
2007-09-11 19:24:20
121.   Eric Stephen
I don't like the fact that the UUWU is working this series.
2007-09-11 19:25:38
122.   MMSMikey
jeff, take 2 steps back. make a catch.
2007-09-11 19:25:47
123.   overkill94
Someone tell Rosebush that you can take a few steps back before you jump
2007-09-11 19:25:50
124.   Eric Stephen
Did Kent jump too early there? It looked like he could have moved back to catch that one.
2007-09-11 19:25:58
125.   Bluebleeder87
I guess Kent didn't read that ball AT ALL, it looked VERY catchable.
2007-09-11 19:26:23
126.   Curtis Lowe
Kent does that all the time.
2007-09-11 19:26:29
127.   Frip
Vin is especially revved up. Hasn't taken a single breath. Sort of annoying.
2007-09-11 19:26:31
128.   Eric Stephen
122 ,123 ,124 Minds think alike.
2007-09-11 19:26:48
129.   El Lay Dave
111 Gonzo might reanimate long enough to hit a solo shot. Heck, Nomar did it earlier this year.
2007-09-11 19:26:51
130.   Curtis Lowe
So, this is where dreams go to die...
2007-09-11 19:27:29
131.   MMSMikey
2 runs off peavy is pretty much impossible.
2007-09-11 19:27:35
132.   El Lay Dave
Hmmm, last out at third base....
2007-09-11 19:28:19
133.   scooplew
131 Keep the faith. We're overdue against Mr. Peavy.
2007-09-11 19:28:34
134.   MMSMikey
god, what a dissapointing year for furcal.
2007-09-11 19:28:50
135.   overkill94
124 He didn't jump too early, he just stood there like a deer in headlights before finally deciding to jump for the ball. Like bluebleeder said, he must not have read it at all.
2007-09-11 19:29:03
136.   Eric Stephen
Peavy and the Pads were up 4-0 last time he started a September game at Dodger Stadium.

We did OK that game.

2007-09-11 19:29:12
137.   D4P
2 runs off peavy is pretty much impossible

Peavy has given up 3 or more runs in 11 of 29 starts.

2007-09-11 19:29:33
138.   overkill94
134 The $30 I wasted on him in my NL-only fantasy baseball league agrees
2007-09-11 19:29:50
139.   MMSMikey
2 up 2 down
2007-09-11 19:30:28
140.   Bob Timmermann
So this is what it sounds like when doves cry?
2007-09-11 19:30:56
142.   MMSMikey

were 1 of those 11 starts against the dodgers?

2007-09-11 19:31:07
143.   KG16
I think I've figured out Pierre's problem at the plate. It looks like he drops his left elbow well before he swings. It doesn't come in as part of the swing but before the swing. Just noticed it in his last at bat.
2007-09-11 19:31:22
144.   El Lay Dave
Peavy has given up 2 or more runs 13 times this year. Of course, he has 29 starts this year, so that's 16 starts giving up 1 run or less.
2007-09-11 19:32:22
145.   MMSMikey
the only time i can remember the dodgers ever doing anything off peavy was the 4+1 game last year.
2007-09-11 19:32:43
146.   Bob Timmermann
So just how did Terrmel Sledge get his first name?
2007-09-11 19:32:49
147.   Sam DC
And the people bowed and prayed
To the neon god they made.
And the sign flashed out its warning
In the words that it was forming.
And the sign said, "The words of the prophets are written on the subway walls
And tenement halls,"
and whispered in the sounds of silence.
2007-09-11 19:33:13
148.   El Lay Dave
142 Allowed 4 to LA on 6/7.
2007-09-11 19:33:38
149.   Bluebleeder87
god, what a dissapointing year for furcal.

Yeah, it's pretty annoying watching him this year, he should have been placed on the DL to nurse that injury.

2007-09-11 19:33:39
150.   Curtis Lowe
146 - Terrance and Melford.
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2007-09-11 19:33:52
151.   MMSMikey

thats right, then broxton blew a 5-1 lead in the 9th. There is a peavy curse.

2007-09-11 19:34:10
152.   El Lay Dave
143 So he should do the Joe Morgan chicken flap? THAT could be entertaining.
2007-09-11 19:34:42
153.   Eric Stephen
142 ,145 Dodgers touched up Peavy for 4 runs in San Diego on June 7, but they ended up losing that game 6-5 when the Padres scored 5 in the 9th.
2007-09-11 19:34:46
154.   El Lay Dave
151 Do you avoid cracks on sidewalks too? Never set foot on the 13th floor?
2007-09-11 19:35:23
155.   Andrew Shimmin
145- Peavy pitched the first game that proved Broxton was no good. The Dodgers did well against him, that night.

2007-09-11 19:35:25
156.   El Lay Dave
151 thats right, then NOMAR blew a 5-1 lead in the 9th.


2007-09-11 19:36:14
157.   Andrew Shimmin
Refresh is my friend. But sometimes we're not on speaking terms.
2007-09-11 19:36:37
158.   MMSMikey
nomar makes an error then broxton gives up 4 straight hits. thats all nomars fault.
2007-09-11 19:36:48
159.   KG16
152 - while that would be entertaining, no. By dropping his elbow in so early, he is unable to generate any power, he's basically handcuffing himself and has thus become Slappy McPopup.

I'm going to have to watch his next AB closely to see if he always does this, but given his performance this year, I think that's what it is.

And if it is, the Dodgers should hire me as their hitting instructor, so what if I never played beyond 10 and under little league.

2007-09-11 19:37:29
160.   Sam DC
So, what was that game again? We got four off Peavy, then what happened? Tell it all!
2007-09-11 19:37:37
161.   trainwreck
Did the gun just say 51mph?
2007-09-11 19:37:44
162.   El Lay Dave
140 Maybe some posters are just like his mother?
2007-09-11 19:37:47
163.   MMSMikey
they just own us.
2007-09-11 19:37:52
164.   Curtis Lowe
See this, this is my sad face.
2007-09-11 19:37:56
165.   Bluebleeder87
That's all she wrote....
2007-09-11 19:38:07
166.   Eric Stephen
I was just going to type how I wasn't worried since Loaiza gave up a couple runs early in Chicago before settling down.

Then Giles homered.

Now I'm worried.

2007-09-11 19:38:14
167.   scareduck
Cookie monster like cookie.
2007-09-11 19:38:44
168.   Eric Enders
Cue the latest "season is now over" post in 3... 2... 1...
2007-09-11 19:38:52
169.   NorCal-Dodger
Somewhere in the Padres' dugout a Mr. Tomko is smiling.
2007-09-11 19:39:30
170.   scareduck
155 - Peavy pitched the first game that proved Broxton was no good.


2007-09-11 19:39:47
171.   El Lay Dave
158 the IF single to Nomar was iffy also.
2007-09-11 19:39:52
172.   Eric Stephen
158 Two of the hits should have been errors, one on Kent, and another on Nomar for not flipping the ball to Broxton, who was waiting at first. Broxton didn't pitch that well, but he basically induced 4 outs, and got screwed.
2007-09-11 19:40:22
174.   El Lay Dave
170 For you, 155 is a rule 7 violation.
2007-09-11 19:40:25
175.   Bluebleeder87
You gotta look at the big picture, this is Peavy, who pitches for the Pads tomorrow? BIG PICTURE FOLKS, BIG PICTURE.
2007-09-11 19:40:47
176.   MMSMikey
fire estoban loiza.
2007-09-11 19:41:44
178.   ToyCannon
That tells me to TIVO this game and check the score before I bother to watch. When you give Peavy 4 automatic outs, he shouldn't have to work to hard to throttle this lineup.
Sure glad I have the Wed-Fri tickets instead of tonight.

Which reminds me, I've got 3 tickets available tomorrow night if anyone is interested. Email me at Put Dodger Game in the subject.

2007-09-11 19:41:58
179.   Andrew Shimmin
170- Every time Broxton throws a bad game, it's proof that he's no good. Sure, he'll sting together a dozen perfect innings, here and there, strike out fifty in a row, not allow a home run for six months. But then, he throws another bad game. And it just goes to show that he's unreliable.
2007-09-11 19:42:17
180.   Indiana Jon
162 She's never satisfied.
2007-09-11 19:42:25
181.   El Lay Dave
172 Oh yeah, Kent, the leadoff IF single. I forgot about that.
2007-09-11 19:42:41
182.   Frip
Not a bad guy, but Giles looks pretty squidly with that hairdo.
2007-09-11 19:42:44
183.   Eric Stephen
177 Tomko pitched like Cy Young would today, at 117 years old freshly exhumed.
2007-09-11 19:43:03
184.   blutomania

I'd ask Jon to remove your email address, it's bound get caught by a search engine and open you up for spam.

molokai at yahoo dot com.

2007-09-11 19:43:35
185.   Andrew Shimmin
174 is right. Sorry about that. If DT were a Hawthorne novel, I'd have a big red 7 across my chest.
2007-09-11 19:44:45
186.   El Lay Dave
Sorta close to a three-true outcome game for the Padres so far: 4 BB, 3K, 1 HR, plus Sac., 2 single, SF.
2007-09-11 19:44:59
187.   Eric Stephen
With that single, Dodgers must feel like Rocky Balboa after Ivan Drago got cut in their fight.

If yous can change, I can change!

2007-09-11 19:45:01
188.   underdog
177 You're kidding, right?


Well, apparently my stab at opening up a wormhole that would allow us to bend the rules of quantum physics and defeat Jake Peavy obviously didn't work, so for my next attempt, I will now cut and paste my entire screenplay. Brace yourself!

{Command+C, command+V.}


2007-09-11 19:45:54
189.   Eric Stephen
185 But not for the rankings! ;)
2007-09-11 19:45:58
190.   scareduck
174 - Broxton is having an ill-timed rough patch, but he's hardly worthless.
2007-09-11 19:46:32
191.   Bluebleeder87
Not a bad guy, but Giles looks pretty squidly with that hairdo.


2007-09-11 19:47:04
192.   KG16
187 - he's bleeding! See, he's human, he's not a machine, he's not a machine!

Now if we can get the classic Rocky running series of left crosses across the ring

2007-09-11 19:47:09
193.   Bluebleeder87
Look at Peavy being all wild.
2007-09-11 19:47:26
194.   scareduck
179 - so Broxton is "bad" in the 70's Aframerican sense.
2007-09-11 19:47:28
195.   Eric Enders
Peavy is getting squeezed badly by this ump too. That's something we could use to our advantage, but almost certainly won't.
2007-09-11 19:47:52
196.   El Lay Dave
183 What a dead arm phase he'd have.
2007-09-11 19:47:57
197.   Eric Enders
I think it's time for Mariano Duncan to go to work.
2007-09-11 19:47:58
198.   scareduck
Watch Martin go long.
2007-09-11 19:49:17
199.   scareduck
198 - apparently, "long" = 60'6".
2007-09-11 19:50:48
200.   scooplew
LaRoche should be batting here...
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2007-09-11 19:51:07
201.   El Lay Dave
190 194 For me, 155 is merely sarcasm. That cat Broxton is a baaad muth....... well, he can dig it.
2007-09-11 19:51:11
202.   Eric Stephen
Guaranteed grand slam. There has to be karmic retribution for walking NoMore.
2007-09-11 19:51:29
203.   KG16
how often do you see a starting pitcher call for an intentional walk?
2007-09-11 19:51:44
204.   Eric Enders
Pinch hit.

It's outside the box, I know. Do it anyway.

2007-09-11 19:51:52
205.   Bob Timmermann
Time for Loaiza Magic!
2007-09-11 19:51:57
206.   El Lay Dave
200 I might even settle for Abreu, at least he's a left-handed #8 hitter.
2007-09-11 19:52:32
207.   scooplew
204 Agreed.
2007-09-11 19:52:33
208.   Eric Stephen
203 It was called from the dugout. Peavy yelled from the mound to confirm the call.
2007-09-11 19:52:39
209.   Bob Timmermann
The Dodgers can't tap into their 16-man pitching staff too early.
2007-09-11 19:52:42
210.   KG16
good eye by Loaiza on the 0-2 pitch
2007-09-11 19:52:49
211.   El Lay Dave
Down four - send up Sweeney now, the entire pen had yesterday off!
2007-09-11 19:52:51
212.   nick
I was about to ask: is there a manager who's pinch-hit in a comparable situation?
2007-09-11 19:52:54
213.   bluedog
No pinch hitter?
2007-09-11 19:53:11
214.   MMSMikey
i would'nt mind seeing peavy take a comebacker off the mouth, maybe that will shut him up.
2007-09-11 19:53:11
215.   KG16
208 - ah, nevermind.
2007-09-11 19:53:20
216.   Bluebleeder87
Man, Loaiza looked totally useless there.
2007-09-11 19:53:23
217.   El Lay Dave
204 yeah, what you said.
2007-09-11 19:53:34
218.   Eric Stephen
My guarantee holds less weight than that of Pat Riley, and probably Mike Hart too.
2007-09-11 19:53:51
219.   scooplew
I guess Grady wants to get that "one more inning" out of his starting pitcher...
2007-09-11 19:54:04
220.   Curtis Lowe
Martin and Ethier failed to impress.
2007-09-11 19:55:05
221.   Bob Timmermann
With a 16-9 lead in the ninth, Terry Francona feels comfortable enough to use Eric Gagne for the first time since August 26.
2007-09-11 19:55:11
222.   Eric Enders
This entire game has been one long 216 .
2007-09-11 19:55:38
223.   El Lay Dave
If Bob Lemon can PH for Tommy John after four innings in a 1-1 game, Grady Little can PH for Loaiza after two, down 4-0!
2007-09-11 19:56:04
224.   nick
Cameraman spots the hot mommy; but Vin, of course, prefers the cute daughter...
2007-09-11 19:56:56
225.   underdog
Tough call, but it's the 2nd inning, and Loiaza hasn't pitched as badly as the score would indicate. I've seen managers pinch hit that early when it's a bit more of a deficit, but still at this point I'd rather have Loiaza than Houlton in there.

on the other hand, not many chances to get something going against Peavy, so when you get them you might want to take advantage. So basically, I'm wishy washy and don't know. Don't ask me!

2007-09-11 19:57:43
226.   Curtis Lowe
225 - What now?
2007-09-11 19:58:06
227.   MollyKnight
185- I'm re-reading the Scarlet Letter right now! First time since 11th grade.
2007-09-11 19:58:35
228.   Bob Timmermann
Not using a pinch-hitter brings to mind that the Cardinals announcers said, despite the team having 33 other players, that they were "shorthanded" because Chris Duncan got hurt.
2007-09-11 19:58:37
229.   underdog
I typed that before the Greene at bat of course. Okay, let's go back in the time machine and pinch hit for his butt!

And for the rest of him, too!

2007-09-11 19:58:58
230.   Bluebleeder87
Greene has a mullet
2007-09-11 19:59:30
232.   trainwreck
Purple rain. Purple rain.
2007-09-11 19:59:31
233.   MollyKnight
Is Hershiser available on the waiver wire?
2007-09-11 19:59:32
234.   nick
204 etc.....we all wuz right.
2007-09-11 19:59:33
235.   underdog
Um... yeah.


What's on TV tonight?

2007-09-11 19:59:38
236.   D4P
Um, can we have Tomko back...?
2007-09-11 20:00:15
237.   Eric Stephen
Turns out this wasn't the Balboa-Drago fight. This is the Creed-Drago fight.
2007-09-11 20:00:20
238.   D4P
Don't worry: we only signed Loaiza for one more year.
2007-09-11 20:00:32
239.   Eric Enders
Yawn. I think I'm about to turn this one off. I've seen this game 100 times before anyway. Reader's Digest version: Loaiza will settle down and end up allowing 6 runs in 6 innings. Peavy will shut the Dodgers down. They'll score two runs off Bell in the eighth and one off Hoffman in the ninth, but will fall short when Nomar pops up with the tying runs on base.
2007-09-11 20:00:54
240.   Bob Timmermann
I'm beginning to think that this is not the Dodgers night.

It's just a hunch. A gut feeling. Call it "baseball intuition." It's a sixth sense that I have.

2007-09-11 20:00:56
241.   eusmus
I'm just glad we have him locked up for 2008!
2007-09-11 20:00:58
242.   Frip
At a certain point you have to ask yourself, "why do I even like the Dodgers?"
2007-09-11 20:01:10
243.   Bluebleeder87
the only thing you can say in Loaizas defense is that this umpire has a small strike zone, which doesn't help Loaiza.
2007-09-11 20:01:14
244.   skybluestoday
Re: 221

Allegedly, he has been injured.

Knowing Gagne's history, you may feel free to remove the "allegedly."

2007-09-11 20:02:06
245.   ryu
boo... boo...
2007-09-11 20:02:14
246.   underdog
Maybe Grady just figured this one's an "L" before the thing even started, given the SP match-up. He could put in a position player to pitch, just to enliven the carnival atmosphere.
2007-09-11 20:02:16
247.   Future Hall of Famer Matt Kemp
Can't blame Grady for not pinch hitting... Loaiza was hitting .333 going into that at bat.
2007-09-11 20:02:28
248.   trainwreck
If he dies, he dies.
2007-09-11 20:02:45
249.   Andrew Shimmin
227- The best thing about finishing school was that, for the rest of my life, I knew that nobody could make me read 19th century literature again. It's too bad the people who burned down the Library of Alexandria weren't available to do it again 1500 (or whatever) years later.
2007-09-11 20:03:08
250.   jtrichey
I think a manager managing with a sense of urgency would have pinch hit in that situation. Heck, it would have been understandable to take him out directly after the Giles HR. If it were Penny, Lowe or Bills, no you wouldn't do it. In the most recent "most important series of the year" I think you pull out all the stops. As Bob said, we've got plenty of arms in the pen.
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2007-09-11 20:03:10
251.   Eric Enders
Esteban is dominant tonight. Five Ks in three innings!
2007-09-11 20:03:13
252.   Bluebleeder87
My timing is WAY off but I still think we can take the series, it's still frustrating though.
2007-09-11 20:04:17
253.   El Lay Dave
4 out 5 batters had "true outcomes" for the Pads that inning too. Sheesh.
2007-09-11 20:04:49
255.   Bluebleeder87

Something tells me your retire 55

2007-09-11 20:05:06
256.   NorCal-Dodger
251 But Loazia portion is horrible.
2007-09-11 20:05:13
257.   Eric Stephen
As long as the Dodgers are within 4 starting the 9th, we got this one.
2007-09-11 20:05:53
258.   D4P
Is Pierre the falsiest outcome player in the league...?
2007-09-11 20:05:57
259.   El Lay Dave
I suspect Jeff Kent would not approve of pinch-hitting there. Even keel, wait until the edge of elimination and all that.
2007-09-11 20:06:59
262.   El Lay Dave
258 I think the falsiest player was Kemp the other day on the plane.
2007-09-11 20:07:14
263.   MollyKnight
OT: Anyone who feels like reading the Scarlet Letter again should probably avoid reading "The Custom House" introduction. Hawthorne is basically as angry about being fired from his job as I am about Esteban Loiaza's performance tonight. It's the modern day equivalent of:


:( !!!!

2007-09-11 20:07:49
264.   Eric Enders
I'm not sure I'd want to punish myself reading Hawthorne again. When re-reading mid-19th century novels I prefer Jane Eyre or Wuthering Heights.
2007-09-11 20:08:35
265.   Future Hall of Famer Matt Kemp
257. You may have to wait until Thursday... I think that only happens on fleece blanket night.

255. ?

2007-09-11 20:08:58
266.   Bluebleeder87
well if anything it's nice seeing Loney with that POP!
2007-09-11 20:09:06
267.   Andrew Shimmin
Everybody who changed channels deserves to have missed that.
2007-09-11 20:09:21
269.   NorCal-Dodger
264 Tonight the Dodgers is giving us their renditon of 'Les Miserables'
2007-09-11 20:09:45
270.   Eric Stephen
One run per inning and we win 7-6.
2007-09-11 20:10:01
272.   MollyKnight
Can Matt Kemp play third?
2007-09-11 20:10:35
273.   Eric Enders
It may be a sinking ship, but I'm glad Loney is still using his bucket to dump water out.
2007-09-11 20:10:38
274.   El Lay Dave
I guess there is a way for this line-up to score on Peavy.

Too bad Jake got spotted six runs.

2007-09-11 20:11:41
276.   Eric Enders
262 - that was great.
2007-09-11 20:11:48
277.   Indiana Jon
Teddy Higuera?
2007-09-11 20:11:49
278.   scooplew
250 I think a manager managing with a sense of urgency would have pinch hit in that situation. Heck, it would have been understandable to take him out directly after the Giles HR. If it were Penny, Lowe or Bills, no you wouldn't do it. In the most recent "most important series of the year" I think you pull out all the stops. As Bob said, we've got plenty of arms in the pen.
That may have been the first time that I saw "urgency" and Little ("manager") in the same sentence. Instead, Little fiddled while Loaiza burned. This is the kind of game in which Lasorda might tried to motivate the team by getting thrown out after challenging the umpire.
2007-09-11 20:11:51
279.   NorCal-Dodger
Hey Senor Loazia is out on the mound, what a gamer, saving our bullpen for the final 18 games that really matters.
2007-09-11 20:11:54
280.   Eric Stephen
273 Shea approves of your analogy.
2007-09-11 20:11:59
281.   MollyKnight
I've put on my Dodger Thoughts t-shirt and I am thinking blue right now.
2007-09-11 20:12:12
282.   Bluebleeder87
Tonights afflac trivia question is fairly easy, specially for me. Actually it's VERY EASY.
2007-09-11 20:12:41
283.   Eric Enders
Aflac - Higuera?
2007-09-11 20:12:50
284.   Frip
267 I'd have changed channels but the remote is on the kitchen counter and I'm on the sofa, recovering from one of those shockingly massive Chinese take-out meals.
2007-09-11 20:13:22
286.   bhsportsguy
259 I somewhat have to agree with Kent in the sense that baseball is about doing things the way you always do them because unlike most sports, failure is pretty much the usual outcome when it comes to batting and you can't really give 150%. There is no physically to the game, you can't run any faster or hit someone any harder.

So I guess my take from Kent is that, I am sure he realizes the situation but you can't play more than the game you have front of you.

I know that for fans, sometimes that play one game at a time creed seems dispassionate but I do think that you have to play pro sports like that.

2007-09-11 20:13:41
287.   Bluebleeder87

Dude!! you just spoiled it for the rest, but I guess everybody knew the answer anyway.

2007-09-11 20:13:46
288.   Eric Stephen
Enter tonight's winning pitcher, D.J. Houlton.
2007-09-11 20:13:46
289.   MollyKnight
The crowd is thinking boo.
2007-09-11 20:14:00
291.   El Lay Dave
276 Thank you. I'll be here all week.
2007-09-11 20:14:33
292.   Eric Enders
I was hoping Loaiza would flip off the crowd or something. We need to inject more energy in this game somehow.
2007-09-11 20:15:00
293.   Indiana Jon
287 Just wanted to spoil it before Eric did 6 posts later.
2007-09-11 20:15:25
294.   Eric Stephen
What was the AFLAC question, for those of us watching the SD feed?

Something like, who is second place on the wins from a Mexican list?

2007-09-11 20:16:20
295.   El Lay Dave
291 uh oh, uh, did you mean Kemp's costume in the hazing ritual was great?
2007-09-11 20:16:26
296.   scooplew
264 As a college freshman, I was supposed to read "The Last of the Mohicans," which I imagined would be exciting. So, the first Friday afternoon of school, I went to the library, sat down, and began to read. About 20 boring minutes later, I realized that there were better things to do at the end of the first week of school. Life got better; the book did not.
2007-09-11 20:16:32
297.   Indiana Jon
294 20 game winner, Mexican, besides Loaiza and Valenzuela.
2007-09-11 20:17:00
299.   Eric Stephen
That is the most subdued I've ever seen Angel Hernandez. He actually walked away from Giles!
2007-09-11 20:17:22
300.   trainwreck
Angel Hernandez strikes again.
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2007-09-11 20:18:17
301.   trainwreck
Wow, he did not toss him.
2007-09-11 20:18:18
302.   Indiana Jon
298 Are you left handed? If so, you may have a chance. Practice the knuckleball.
2007-09-11 20:18:38
303.   El Lay Dave
Are Grady's moves on delayed reaction tonight? This is like when the sound and the video on a TV show are out of sync.
2007-09-11 20:18:46
304.   Eric Stephen
298 Giles was tagged before his hand got back on the bag.
2007-09-11 20:19:18
305.   bhsportsguy
Well given this team couldn't win when they had starters go 6+ and 7+ over the weekend, I am pretty sure those games pretty much wrote off the season.

I would have started Loiaza on Sunday and went for the Penny, Lowe, Billingsly rotation this week.

I know that means that Penny is only lined up to pitch twice in the last 2 weeks but I think it would have been our best pitchers against the team we needed to beat.

2007-09-11 20:19:40
306.   s choir
Furcal blocked Giles' hand from getting back on the bag with his foot. He was out.
2007-09-11 20:21:56
307.   El Lay Dave
286 I tend to agree, but in September you have expanded rosters, so sometimes you SHOULD do things differently. Other times, it's hard to PH for your pitcher early. But in September, down 4 to Peavy, but bases-loaded and two out - it's time to do something different, not the way you would always do it.
2007-09-11 20:21:59
308.   King of the Hobos
Most False Outcomes:
Pierre 584
Rollins 542
Ichiro 532

Highest False Outcome Percentages (min 100 PAs):
B. Hall 91.0%
Pierre 90.8%
Eckstein 89.6%

Pierre appears on both lists, so I doth proclaim him the falsiest outcome player.

2007-09-11 20:22:42
309.   Eric Stephen
Since you were kind enough to give me the LA AFLAC trivia question, here is the SD question:

For what movie did Grady Little serve as technical advisor?

2007-09-11 20:22:56
310.   regfairfield
Tonights super fun challenge: Find a post by Herm where he does something besides call everyone associated with the Dodgers an incompetent boob.


2007-09-11 20:23:02
311.   D4P
2007-09-11 20:23:13
312.   Bluebleeder87
Can you imagine if Teddy was pitching in the NL & he pitched against Fernando AT DODGER STADIUM!!? WOW.
2007-09-11 20:23:18
313.   Frip
Giles exploding was the only time I felt a guy got his panties in a wad and actually thought he might be wearing panties.
2007-09-11 20:23:45
314.   King of the Hobos
308 I served Bill Hall a grave injustice there. That should be T. Hall. All hail Toby!
2007-09-11 20:24:37
315.   Future Hall of Famer Matt Kemp
309. Lost Boys?
2007-09-11 20:25:10
316.   Eric Stephen
313 Ironically, I was typing the term "panties in a bunch" in a post earlier about how we shouldn't worry about Loaiza, when Giles homered to make it 4-0. I didn't submit that post.
2007-09-11 20:25:37
317.   Bluebleeder87
For what movie did Grady Little serve as technical advisor?

That's even easier...

2007-09-11 20:26:09
318.   El Lay Dave
310 A: 275 268 , but I notice them right away.
2007-09-11 20:26:13
319.   Indiana Jon
310 How about 260 ?
2007-09-11 20:26:21
320.   Bluebleeder87
A Dream Is a Wish Your Heart Makes

Jons opening to the thread looms large at this point.

2007-09-11 20:26:40
321.   El Lay Dave
309 Being There ?
2007-09-11 20:27:11
322.   Indiana Jon
318 4 seconds!
2007-09-11 20:28:06
323.   Eric Enders
313 got a chuckle.

This thread is pretty funny tonight. Maybe the Dodgers should get blown out more often. Or, not.

2007-09-11 20:28:27
324.   El Lay Dave
322 Only because I dropped a 'd' !
2007-09-11 20:28:49
325.   sydneydodger
320 because your head tells you this season is cooked?
2007-09-11 20:29:45
326.   King of the Hobos
Shea Hillenbrand hits a false outcome 87.3% of the time, tied for 5th with a minimum of 100 PAs.

Jack Cust hits a false outcome only 42.7% of the time! Ryan Howard is the next lowest at 46.4%. Betemit hits false outcomes 52.6% of the time.

2007-09-11 20:30:56
327.   Indiana Jon
324 No, you got it. I think even I can type a d in 3 seconds. Maybe, when sober.
2007-09-11 20:30:56
328.   scooplew
This game reminds me of that old Henny Youngman line. "My friend said, 'Cheer up. Things could get worse.' So I cheered up, and things got worse."
2007-09-11 20:31:07
329.   NorCal-Dodger
317 That was the movie when Susan Sarandon was HOT!
2007-09-11 20:31:08
330.   El Lay Dave
323 The cross-dressed dudes are what tickle your funny bone?
2007-09-11 20:31:21
331.   Bluebleeder87

No, actually because Jake Peavy is pitching tonight, I'm still holding out hope we can sneak in the playoffs.

2007-09-11 20:31:42
332.   El Lay Dave
329 Rocky Horror? ;)
2007-09-11 20:32:10
333.   Andrew Shimmin
Grittle has an IMDB page:

2007-09-11 20:32:44
334.   KG16
I sense a big inning
2007-09-11 20:32:59
335.   Eric Stephen
I sure hope the Dodgers make the playoffs. Otherwise I might not win The Griddle Playoff Elimination pool.
2007-09-11 20:33:00
336.   trainwreck
No, it is Dead Man Walking.
2007-09-11 20:33:12
337.   El Lay Dave
I'd like to see Kemp in this game to get some Peavy experience. How about he hits for Houlton and 2-1 switch with Pierre, even if the Dodgers go 1-2-3?
2007-09-11 20:33:12
338.   Eric Enders
So, I just noticed that the first five numbers in this thread's URL, in that order, are also my ZIP code. What are the odds?

I hope that doesn't mean I'm responsible for the disastrous outcome of this game.

2007-09-11 20:34:22
339.   El Lay Dave
336 Well played.
2007-09-11 20:34:32
340.   Eric Enders
Belated answer to 309 - Sling Blade?
2007-09-11 20:35:28
341.   Future Hall of Famer Matt Kemp
337. How about Kemp in for Holton and Pierre on the mound? I'd be interested in seeing if he can get it to the plate on less than two hops.
2007-09-11 20:36:43
342.   NorCal-Dodger
341 If JP pitches, Martin needs to get one of those waffle size catcher's mitt for knuckleballers.
2007-09-11 20:37:16
343.   Eric Stephen
340 He was uncredited for his work with I Am Sam.
2007-09-11 20:37:34
344.   NorCal-Dodger
Need that big mitt to handle JP's fastball!
2007-09-11 20:39:03
345.   scooplew
Furcal and Pierre have come up five times in this game and grounded out five times to second base.
2007-09-11 20:39:11
346.   jujibee
How bout that? Vinny calling out Jon's post. Very nice.
2007-09-11 20:39:34
347.   Eric Enders
345 Hey, somebody had to fill Shawn Green's shoes.
2007-09-11 20:39:43
348.   Frip
330 Should they not?
2007-09-11 20:40:16
349.   El Lay Dave
Why do the Dodgers have 36 players ...
... if they aren't going to use them? By the bottom of the second inning, Esteban Loaiza already had given up four runs, and the Dodgers already trailed 4-0 But after Jeff Kent's leadoff single and Gonzo's walk, it looked like the Dodgers might have a crack at Peavy. Well, after Russell Martin grounded out, advancing the runners, and Andre Ethier struck out, the Padres predictably walked Nomar intentionally (he IS hitting .400 w/RISP, after all). So, with Loaiza's spot due up, what does Grady do with all those arms in his bullpen and all those bats on his bench? Why, let Loaiza hit for himself of course. Loaiza predictably struck out, leaving the bases loaded. He then went back to the mound and gave up back-to-back homers to Khalil Greene and Keven Kouzmanoff with one out in the third. When Brian Giles singled with one out in the fourth, Grady FINALLY came to get Loaiza. What is Grady saving his bench and his pen for? Those last two weeks of the season, when the Dodgers are going to be playing out the string? ... Loney went deep in the third, but this one's over, folks.

Tony Jackson on the same wavelength. Despairing also.

2007-09-11 20:41:05
350.   El Lay Dave
346 Details please?
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2007-09-11 20:42:37
351.   El Lay Dave
348 They should. I'm just trying get fine-tuning on Mr. Enders sense of humor (as if there weren't already plenty of evidence strewn about).
2007-09-11 20:43:59
352.   jujibee
350 Vin always does a "this day in baseball" bit. Today he did his this day in baseball on the RJ Reynolds game that Jon posted earlier today. He didn't mention this sit eor Jon's name, but I think we all know that he's a frequent reader.
2007-09-11 20:44:39
353.   El Lay Dave
Unless this gets closer, Beimel, Proctor and Broxton better all get the night off.
2007-09-11 20:44:57
354.   Eric Enders
I would have responded to 330 sooner, but I was busy watching an Eddie Izzard special.
2007-09-11 20:45:31
355.   scooplew
For what movie did Grady Little serve as technical advisor?
Actually, it was a TV show: "Lost in Space."
2007-09-11 20:45:57
356.   Future Hall of Famer Matt Kemp
Does anyone else out there think that the "Jeff Kent toast" guy's wife is a total bitch for eating his mystical creation?

(Brilliant Pierre... almost get thrown out at second down by 5)

2007-09-11 20:46:31
357.   Eric Enders
Wow, good thing Pierre risked taking that extra base down by 5 runs with nobody out.
2007-09-11 20:47:16
358.   NorCal-Dodger
Hey Brady Clark is in, think we'll get to face Tomko?
2007-09-11 20:47:59
359.   Eric Enders
358 I'm holding out for a Brian Myrow sighting.
2007-09-11 20:48:34
360.   Eric Stephen
This is Peavy's final inning. Mark it down.
2007-09-11 20:50:24
361.   El Lay Dave
358 Help us Brett Tomko, you're our only hope!
2007-09-11 20:50:49
362.   Frip
I reckon Kent doesn't wear the new style helmets just cuz they're new.
2007-09-11 20:51:22
363.   Eric Enders
I will not allow myself to be infused with false hope.
I will not allow myself to be infused with false hope.
I will not allow myself to be infused with false hope.
I will not allow myself to be infused with false hope.
I will not allow myself to be infused with false hope.
I will not allow myself to be infused with false hope.
I will not allow myself to be infused with false hope.
2007-09-11 20:51:45
364.   El Lay Dave
Mr. Kent with a calm, veteran single there.
2007-09-11 20:51:49
365.   NorCal-Dodger
Make Peavy work!!
2007-09-11 20:52:43
366.   Icaros

Actually, he was wearing one last year and got beaned. He said the new helmet wasn't as thick and the ball hurt more, so he went back to the old style.

2007-09-11 20:53:10
367.   El Lay Dave
366 Held up through his beaning this year, eh?
2007-09-11 20:53:47
368.   Bob Timmermann
I would not give you false hope on this strange and mournful day.
2007-09-11 20:53:56
369.   Future Hall of Famer Matt Kemp
Think Martin can come up with something other than a weak grounder to first this time?
2007-09-11 20:54:11
370.   jujibee
I bet Kemp could've done that.
2007-09-11 20:54:27
371.   Eric Stephen
Old friend Dioner Navarro went 4-4 tonight with a double and a walk, and is now hitting .313/.363/.527 since the AS break.

Fellow Old Friend Edwin Jackson starts tomorrow in Fenway.

2007-09-11 20:54:54
372.   King of the Hobos
This is not Broxton's week. First all the homers, and now it appears that he may have incapacitated Lowe. They were playing catch, and Lowe's pitching hand was hit. It's swollen, discolored, and Lowe says it hurts. Hopefully it's just a bruise.

And can anyone decipher this?
"This isn't good negotiating, but I wouldn't have picked up my option for next year," Wolf said. "I want to play here, but they have to want me, as well. We'll see what happens in the offseason."

2007-09-11 20:54:57
373.   NorCal-Dodger
3 run bagger seems to be a trend of late........
2007-09-11 20:55:07
374.   Frip
362 Well if you decide to, just make sure you use protection.
2007-09-11 20:55:32
375.   Eric Enders
368 But the wild card is only a motion away.
2007-09-11 20:55:42
376.   Eric Stephen
A very fortuitous double play for the Pads.
2007-09-11 20:55:52
377.   Bluebleeder87
Russell Martin is having a very bad day at the office today.
2007-09-11 20:55:54
378.   King of the Hobos
369 Yes, a weak grounder to third.
2007-09-11 20:56:13
379.   bhsportsguy
I knew it was bad luck to listen to the game.
2007-09-11 20:56:22
380.   Sam DC
363 Good thing you were careful there.

Could've been frustrating.

2007-09-11 20:57:22
381.   Bob Timmermann
In San Francisco, Arizona has loaded the bases with one out in the sixth in a 1-1 tie. Justin Upton facing Scott Munter.
2007-09-11 20:57:40
382.   scooplew
This is not Broxton's week. First all the homers, and now it appears that he may have incapacitated Lowe. They were playing catch, and Lowe's pitching hand was hit. It's swollen, discolored, and Lowe says it hurts. Hopefully it's just a bruise.
How did he hurt his pitching hand playing catch?
2007-09-11 20:58:37
383.   trainwreck
Interesting play in A's/Mariners game. The A's were turning the double play and Kenji Johjima was sliding into second and he put his arms up to try to block the play and the ball hits him straight in his hand and possible broke it.
2007-09-11 20:59:49
384.   bhsportsguy
381 Double play.
2007-09-11 20:59:54
385.   Icaros

Was he called for interference?

2007-09-11 21:00:06
386.   Bob Timmermann
Upton bounced into a 643 DP.
2007-09-11 21:00:28
387.   Bob Timmermann
Blum with loge power!
2007-09-11 21:00:53
388.   Icaros
Going by the times I've watched him play, Geoff Blum is one of the greatest hitters in baseball history.
2007-09-11 21:01:04
389.   Bob Timmermann
He wasn't.
2007-09-11 21:01:05
390.   trainwreck
Yeah, after he rolled around in pain.
2007-09-11 21:01:08
391.   Eric Enders
I promise never to insult Geoff Blum again by saying he's worse than Juan Pierre.
2007-09-11 21:01:30
392.   trainwreck
Nevermind then.
2007-09-11 21:02:44
393.   Icaros

That'll put him in next year's media guide, along with Kemp.

The Olmedo Saenz lodge shot from the Adam Dunn Scouting Expedition is among those listed.

2007-09-11 21:03:04
394.   El Lay Dave
387 Bocachica must have taught Blum something while he was there.
2007-09-11 21:03:19
395.   King of the Hobos
From Gurnick:
Broxton, who has a fastball that was clocked at 100 mph this year, said Lowe attempted to catch the throw with his glove in an awkward backhand position. The ball missed the glove and struck Lowe's bare right hand.

Unless Broxton throws 100 mph during catch, I have no idea how this could cause injury, but I guess it did.

2007-09-11 21:03:37
396.   Wilbert Robinson
bring in Meloan Grady...Come on give us something....Hernandez....yeesh.
2007-09-11 21:04:57
397.   bhsportsguy
Geoff Blum, a .229 hitter against the Rockies and a .300 hitter against the Dodgers.
2007-09-11 21:05:19
398.   El Lay Dave
Here I was earlier badmouthing the Padres lineup and they have four, count 'em FOUR, shots tonight. Blech.
2007-09-11 21:06:09
399.   Bob Timmermann
Dan Giese into the game for the Giants.

Yeah, that Dan Giese.

2007-09-11 21:07:14
400.   Frip
I can SO see Grady as a farmer.
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2007-09-11 21:07:30
401.   trainwreck
The white flag has been raised.
2007-09-11 21:10:00
402.   King of the Hobos
399 What's so special about Giese?
2007-09-11 21:10:28
403.   jujibee
I suppose that if I HAD to see Hernandez, that I'd prefer it be in an inning with 2 out and his spot due up in the next inning
2007-09-11 21:11:55
404.   El Lay Dave
That wild pitch will completely change the inning.
2007-09-11 21:12:21
405.   Eric Stephen
Old Yeller having a rough outing tonight.
2007-09-11 21:12:24
406.   El Lay Dave
If this is a "sinking ship", we need a new Hull, not an old Roberto.
2007-09-11 21:13:02
407.   Bob Timmermann
Nothing. Just trying to be Rule 7ish in a good way.
2007-09-11 21:13:10
408.   El Lay Dave
Heck, first is open, walk Kouzmanoff and pitch to the old friend.
2007-09-11 21:13:40
409.   El Lay Dave
Now that wild pitch did change the inning.
2007-09-11 21:15:15
410.   Andrew Shimmin
BBref wants $180 for sponsorship rights to Dan Giese's page.
2007-09-11 21:15:31
411.   eusmus
Oh Roberto, you never fail to disappoint. So did Meloan kill Grittle's dog or what?
2007-09-11 21:15:34
412.   trainwreck
Well, I am going to go jog. Last time I stopped watching a game early and came back to see it at the end was the 4+1 game.

Hopefully that happens again.

2007-09-11 21:15:41
413.   King of the Hobos
407 Oh, OK. I figured there might be a story behind someone making his major league debut at 30, and I had never heard of him so I asked.
2007-09-11 21:17:26
414.   underdog
Why does Roberto Hernandez relieving Rudy Seanez feel like Rutherford B. Hayes stepping in for Ulysses S. Grant, or, frankly, Joe Besser stepping in for Shemp in the 3 Stooges?

Rhetorical question, no need to answer.

2007-09-11 21:17:48
415.   Icaros

"Don't forget to bring a towel."

2007-09-11 21:20:18
416.   Eric Stephen
Opposing batters are now hitting a robust .310/.390/.479 off Roberto Hernandez in his Dodger career.
2007-09-11 21:20:32
417.   El Lay Dave
OK, I guess pitching to Clark doesn't work either. Kids on the mound to finish please.
2007-09-11 21:20:40
418.   underdog
I think the comment thread on Inside the Dodgers caved in on itself. I tried to post a comment - and I have no idea why I cared anyway - but it won't let me log in. Probably because it's on anger overload, or caps and exclamation point overload.
2007-09-11 21:21:58
419.   dzzrtRatt
I'm glad I'm in Baltimore. I'd be watching this game if I was home.

I'm also glad its so lopsided. I can go to bed. If it's 4+1 redux, it'll be fun to read about in the morning.

Peavy was going to beat us, regardless. Better this way than a crazy-making 3-1 type of game.

Imagine if Grady put Roberto in a game like that! This is painless by comparison.

2007-09-11 21:22:18
420.   Eric Stephen
418 Maybe it wouldn't accept your 50,000-word special? :)
2007-09-11 21:24:34
421.   Bluebleeder87
I'm still positive about our team but watching a guy like R. Hernandez just makes me feel different, it's like, what the hell is this guys still doing with the Dodgers. sigh.
2007-09-11 21:27:33
422.   underdog
420 Hee. Yeah, I must be on some kind of list. I was threatening to post the entire game-by-game statistical summary from Roberto Hernandez's career in the comments but they got wind of it.
2007-09-11 21:28:04
423.   Bob Timmermann
You mean the ones who run out on the field at the beginning?
2007-09-11 21:28:09
424.   Eric Stephen
I'm glad I'm in Baltimore

First time anyone's ever typed or said that.

2007-09-11 21:28:20
425.   underdog
Tony Jackson feels our pain tonight.
2007-09-11 21:28:24
426.   El Lay Dave
Oh sure, now we get Hull.

But why not leave Abreu in to finish up at 3rd? I know he made the last out, but there's no reason Nomar and his bad calf have to stay out there. Give Abreu the 2 innings of defensive work.

2007-09-11 21:28:56
427.   King of the Hobos
Nice inning by Hull. Hopefully the Dodgers figure out that he's a pretty good middle reliever sooner or later.
2007-09-11 21:29:03
428.   El Lay Dave
422 Your post is there now.
2007-09-11 21:29:37
429.   underdog
Bring in Will Jauss to pitch!
2007-09-11 21:30:08
430.   Bluebleeder87

your perfect writing & timely humor is missed DzzrtRatt

2007-09-11 21:30:45
431.   scooplew
421 I think that none of the players on the Dodgers whose names end in "z" are likely to be back next year -- Gonzalez, Hernandez, Martinez, Saenz, Seanez and Valdez.
2007-09-11 21:30:53
432.   Eric Stephen
And so the comeback begins.
2007-09-11 21:30:54
433.   underdog
428 On Jackson's yeah, but I was originally over on the official Dodgers blog, the other ItD.
2007-09-11 21:32:09
434.   underdog
The Hull-Moeller batter is the wave of the future!
2007-09-11 21:32:11
435.   Bluebleeder87
I swear if Pierre swinger at a 3,o count...
2007-09-11 21:32:21
436.   Eric Stephen
431 And, thanks to a visa correction from Alabama, Pierrez.
2007-09-11 21:32:36
437.   Bluebleeder87

that should be swings, oops.

2007-09-11 21:32:47
438.   underdog
battery, not batter.

This game is worse than the Niners-Cardinals game last night for what it's done to my brain.

2007-09-11 21:33:33
439.   scooplew
A Dream Is a Wish Your Heart Makes:
The Red Sox rallied from seven runs down to win today...
2007-09-11 21:33:42
440.   El Lay Dave
Why start Peavy in the 8th? He's already over 100 pitches.
2007-09-11 21:33:50
441.   Bob Timmermann
Chad Moeller, in sympathy with the batting coach, has told people that his last name should be pronounced Meller.
2007-09-11 21:34:22
442.   King of the Hobos
This is a very good time for the 4 part of the 4+1. Moeller provides something of an obstacle though.
2007-09-11 21:34:23
443.   Bluebleeder87
See, this is when you kind of get mad at Grady, if he didn't bring in R. Hernandez we'd be better off.
2007-09-11 21:35:36
444.   dzzrtRatt
Can they make the Padres put in Hoffman?

That would be a moral victory and a strategic advantage for the rest of the series.

So that should be the goal Grady. Who can get you there?

2007-09-11 21:35:54
445.   Marty
Greetings from cold and rainy Denmark, land of cheese and sausages. If Denmark was in the U.S. it would be Wisconsin. Not such a great game I see.
2007-09-11 21:35:55
446.   underdog
So this would still be a game with some hope if Roberto Hernandez hadn't come in and plastered the field with his aging brand of suck.
2007-09-11 21:37:00
447.   Bluebleeder87
bases JUICED! yay.
2007-09-11 21:37:22
448.   Eric Stephen
With their games tonight thus far, Kent (.501) and Loney (.506) have joined Matt Kemp (.530) in the .500 slugging club.
2007-09-11 21:37:35
449.   Icaros
PH Kemp!
2007-09-11 21:37:35
450.   Eric Enders
Time for a pinch hitter here. Of course, we won't see one.
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2007-09-11 21:37:59
451.   Bob Timmermann
Giants take a 2-1 lead in the 8th on a sac fly from Feliz.
2007-09-11 21:38:15
452.   scooplew
When was the last time that Furcal and Pierre led off an inning with back-to-back singles prior to just now?
2007-09-11 21:38:19
453.   Eric Stephen
Hope you are having a great trip, Marty!
2007-09-11 21:38:28
454.   King of the Hobos
440 Kevin Cameron started the inning.
2007-09-11 21:39:11
455.   Eric Stephen
Oh c'mon!!!! Saenz????
2007-09-11 21:40:09
456.   Future Hall of Famer Matt Kemp
Nice... bring in the easiest double play in the league with the bases loaded and no outs... best hope here is a K.
2007-09-11 21:40:25
457.   El Lay Dave
455 I hope that's a rule 7 violation.
2007-09-11 21:40:39
458.   underdog
I guess Kevin Cameron is a younger Roberto Hernandez.

Saenz is to our bench as Hernandez is to our bullpen.

2007-09-11 21:41:11
459.   scooplew
...pinch-hitting for Gonzalez, who hit a three-run homer off lefty Barry Zito on Saturday...
2007-09-11 21:41:15
460.   eusmus
Great... now Kemp gets to see Heath Bell rather than the lefty.
2007-09-11 21:41:38
461.   Marty
I am. It's 6:40 in the morning here. Aarhus is a beautiful city.
2007-09-11 21:41:38
462.   underdog
Poor Chad Moeller.

"I can do it coach! Keep me in!"

2007-09-11 21:41:45
463.   Bluebleeder87

what did he do? I was at the kitchen graving some water.

2007-09-11 21:41:48
464.   Eric Stephen
Could have had Kemp, then Sweeney (even burning LaRoche to bring in the righty) but instead Saenz gets called on. How many failures must he have before he doesn't get called on to hit???
2007-09-11 21:42:07
465.   Bob Timmermann
Kevin Cameron had pitched really well starting out this season, but the Padres only used him in mopup situations. Then he got moved up in the pecking order.

And now he's kind of like Rudy Seanez.

2007-09-11 21:42:39
466.   Eric Stephen
463 Mmmmm...gravy water.
2007-09-11 21:43:01
467.   Bluebleeder87

stop it, your giving me flashbacks.

2007-09-11 21:43:47
468.   Bluebleeder87
Kemp with bases loaded.
2007-09-11 21:43:57
469.   underdog
463 He existed on the team, that's what he did. So Grady used him. And he struck out.
2007-09-11 21:43:58
470.   Eric Stephen
Laying off the curves off the plate. I sense runs here.
2007-09-11 21:44:33
471.   Bluebleeder87
we've seen this scenario before.
2007-09-11 21:44:34
472.   sydneydodger
who is actually hitting?
2007-09-11 21:45:02
473.   Eric Stephen
469 He soft-lined to SS on the first pitch.
2007-09-11 21:45:11
474.   King of the Hobos
469 He actually hit a soft line drive, I think.
2007-09-11 21:45:30
475.   Eric Stephen
472 Kemp.
2007-09-11 21:46:08
476.   Eric Stephen
The Easter Bunny just died.
2007-09-11 21:47:04
477.   sydneydodger
ESPN still had Moeller, thanks.
2007-09-11 21:47:42
478.   Bluebleeder87
Bell looks like a slim Broxton.
2007-09-11 21:47:43
479.   underdog
474 Oh, sorry, for some reason I envisioned striking out so that's what I got in my head. I guess he gets a bonus point for making contact.
2007-09-11 21:48:06
480.   overkill94
Not much help from the pinch-hitters tonight, 0-4 with 6 runners LOB
2007-09-11 21:49:45
481.   Icaros
If I only saw Heath Bell from the waist down I'd think he was a woman.
2007-09-11 21:50:14
482.   overkill94
Kent needs to stop teaching guys the dive into 1st
2007-09-11 21:50:15
483.   Eric Stephen
Stop sliding into first...please.
2007-09-11 21:50:46
484.   Eric Enders
Silly Andre, you don't dive into first.
2007-09-11 21:50:54
485.   Bob Timmermann
Have you thought of renting "The Crying Game"? You may pick up some valuable tips.
2007-09-11 21:50:55
486.   Icaros
Totally would've beaten it without the headfirst slide.
2007-09-11 21:51:00
487.   scooplew
How did that play go 3-4-1?
2007-09-11 21:51:19
488.   Eric Stephen
For a 9-3 game, this game sure feels much closer and second-guessier.
2007-09-11 21:51:31
489.   Icaros

With pants on, I meant.

2007-09-11 21:51:35
490.   underdog
482 But he's a veteran! The young 'uns have to learn the right way to do things from the PVLs.
2007-09-11 21:51:41
491.   Bluebleeder87
well that looks like the best look at the game we're gonna have, at least we gave Bud Black a touch of hart burn.
2007-09-11 21:52:22
492.   The Mootz
When it ain't your year, it ain't your year.

Here's hoping 2008 is better.

2007-09-11 21:52:31
493.   underdog
Sigh. These last few games have really put me in a bad mood. I'm gonna go play Q Bert or write or do something cathartic.
2007-09-11 21:52:47
494.   Eric Stephen
487 Hard shot, off Adrian Gonzalez's glove, rolled to Blum who threw to Bell covering first as Ethier decided to slide into first.
2007-09-11 21:53:10
495.   scooplew
Top four in the lineup tonight: 8-for-15. Bottom five: 0-for-16.
2007-09-11 21:53:50
496.   scooplew
494 Thanks, Eric.
2007-09-11 21:53:51
497.   King of the Hobos
487 Hard hit that Gonzalez was able to knock down towards Blum, who threw to Bell.
2007-09-11 21:54:14
498.   Icaros
Who remembers the Q-Bert cartoon?
2007-09-11 21:54:49
499.   Bluebleeder87
Icaros, you lived in L.A. at one point in your life right?
2007-09-11 21:54:59
500.   Eric Stephen
498 Who doesn't?!
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2007-09-11 21:55:17
501.   BlueCrew Bruin
Well, I'm safely at home now. The Dodgers are free to start their comeback.
2007-09-11 21:55:38
502.   Wilbert Robinson
94 I remember reading somewhere recently that sliding into first was actually advantageous.
2007-09-11 21:56:20
503.   El Lay Dave
The remaining drama: is Bud Black perverse enough to use Tomko to put one nail in the Dodgers' coffin lid?
2007-09-11 21:56:22
504.   Bluebleeder87

I had to google it & I still don't remember it.
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2007-09-11 21:56:40
505.   Bluebleeder87
Hull is looking like a CHAMP.
2007-09-11 21:57:14
506.   silverwidow
Hull indeed looks TREMENDOUS.
2007-09-11 21:57:55
507.   Icaros

Orange County from '75-'80

Long Beach from '94-'05

2007-09-11 21:58:31
508.   Wilbert Robinson
Hull is the next Rick Ankiel
2007-09-11 21:58:45
509.   Eric Stephen
502 It seems counterintuitive that sliding gets you to the base quicker. It can certainly avoid a tag, though.

I can entertain the idea that sliding helps. I usually think of sprinters in the Olympics not sliding into the finish line, but the finish line isn't on the ground obviously, so maybe that analogy doesn't work.

2007-09-11 21:58:46
510.   underdog
So the two pitchers to pitch really well tonight for the Dodgers: Houlton and Hull. What do they have in common? They're not old and sucky.
2007-09-11 21:59:08
511.   El Lay Dave
If Grady had left Martin in, would he have used Kemp for Gonzo? He wasn't going to PH for Martin, but Moeller was now in that spot.

(It's a little late in the year for Martin to finally get some rest.)

2007-09-11 21:59:41
512.   Zak
One of the more important games of the year and our pitchers are Loaiza, Houlton, Seanez, Hernandez and Hull. Loaiza should have been pinch hit for and he would have given up only 4 runs. Seanez gave up another 3 runs. Dodgers have so many chances to score, but bad hitting + bad pinch hitting situations created by Grits.

This game should be a lot closer.

2007-09-11 21:59:59
513.   Eric Stephen
502 Also, Roberto Alomar slid into first base a lot, and he was one of the smartest baseballers ever so I'm open minded to the possibility that sliding helps.
2007-09-11 22:00:08
514.   King of the Hobos
So the young'ns pitch 3.2 perfect innings and the PVLs pitch 5.1 innings for 9 runs, 10 hits, 4 homers, and 6 walks.

Maybe the young'ns aren't that bad? Maybe?

2007-09-11 22:00:29
515.   silverwidow
2007-09-11 22:00:35
516.   King of the Hobos
503 Apparently
2007-09-11 22:00:43
517.   Eric Stephen
Hope arrives on the hill!
2007-09-11 22:01:14
518.   Eric Enders
I have no doubt whatsoever that Bombko is going to shut us down.
2007-09-11 22:01:32
519.   Bluebleeder87

Is that perverse enough for you Dave?

2007-09-11 22:01:45
520.   Eric Stephen
Speaking of nail in the coffin, nice AB Nomar!
2007-09-11 22:02:14
521.   El Lay Dave
My respect for Bud Black has grown immensely. The move is poetic.
2007-09-11 22:02:22
522.   Zak
This sucks, because it decreases the chances that they will use Tomko against us in a meaningful situation tomorrow.
2007-09-11 22:02:31
523.   Eric Stephen
Hu's a bum!
2007-09-11 22:02:31
524.   King of the Hobos
2007-09-11 22:02:31
525.   Bluebleeder87
Hu did that, YES!
2007-09-11 22:02:45
526.   eusmus
I love you, Chin-Lung Hu.
2007-09-11 22:02:51
527.   scooplew
508 Since the HGH allegations story broke, Ankiel is 1-for-18 with 6 strikeouts and the Cardinals are 0-5.
2007-09-11 22:02:51
528.   underdog
Hu's up now?
2007-09-11 22:03:05
529.   KG16
Hu the man!
2007-09-11 22:03:17
530.   Wilbert Robinson
2007-09-11 22:03:22
531.   underdog
I freaking love it. LOVE it.
2007-09-11 22:03:26
532.   Eric Stephen
Kemp is the winning run. Just sayin'.
2007-09-11 22:03:28
533.   trainwreck
Go Hu!!!

Well, I guess my plan did not work.

2007-09-11 22:03:35
534.   scooplew
How did the crowd respond to the announcement that Tomko was pitching?
2007-09-11 22:03:42
535.   Eric Enders
That was awesome.
2007-09-11 22:03:52
536.   Icaros
Hu is the cutest little thing I've ever seen. I want to give him to someone's kids to play with.

He homered while I wrote that.

2007-09-11 22:04:05
537.   sanchez101
hu was that?

seriously, though, that was one of the more surrealistic moments of the season. Kemp and Ethier fail to drive in runs, but the tiny SS hits one out?

2007-09-11 22:04:18
538.   El Lay Dave
HU!!! Well, a nice after-dinner drink after the awful meal.
2007-09-11 22:04:22
539.   KG16
I have to admit, I've been watching other shows (most notably Eureka on SciFi), have I missed anything in the last hour? I see the score is 9-4, so I'm guessing the answer is no.
2007-09-11 22:04:28
540.   Eric Stephen
I like how the Dodger dugout is not even congratulatory since the HR was off Tomko. ;)
2007-09-11 22:04:33
541.   Bob Timmermann
There are so many parts wrong with that comment, I don't know where to begin.

First of all, when did Roberto Alomar get to be a smart player.

As for sliding into first, think in terms of vectors. If you're running straight ahead, the vector describing your velocity is going in one direction. Once you slide, that vector goes in a downward direction and you lose velocity.

I also think there is a lot more friction involved when your whole body is sliding against dirt as opposed to just your feet touching the dirt.

2007-09-11 22:05:12
542.   KG16
I love Brett Tomko.


2007-09-11 22:05:24
543.   sanchez101
534 Boos a plenty
2007-09-11 22:05:24
544.   El Lay Dave
522 I think those odds were zero to begin with.
2007-09-11 22:05:31
545.   Bluebleeder87

I kind of figured, it must be nice watching your boss with the miserable season SF is having.

2007-09-11 22:05:41
546.   silverwidow
I nominate Hu's homer as one of the best moments of the year.
2007-09-11 22:06:09
547.   KG16
541 - Pete Rose Superman Slide into first?
2007-09-11 22:06:16
548.   Bob Timmermann
Tomko's reception from the Dodger Stadium crowd would be best described as "less than congratulatory."
2007-09-11 22:06:16
549.   Future Hall of Famer Matt Kemp
Look Hu's feeling the pressure and finally getting a hit, although off Tomko it's more like getting a base knock in BP.
2007-09-11 22:06:36
550.   Zak
Bad swing by Loney.
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2007-09-11 22:06:44
551.   underdog
Honestly, in a game the Dodgers had basically lost from the get go, just to run through their bullpen a bit is indeed a moral victory of sorts. Just to see Tomko lit up is a spiritual one. A win would trump both those things of course, but it's something.
2007-09-11 22:07:36
552.   El Lay Dave
513 Is spitting on umpires smart.

Oh wait. Was that sarcasm?

2007-09-11 22:08:01
553.   Eric Stephen
541 I was just saying I'm open minded to the idea that sliding wasn't worse. Your argument brought me back more firmly to my original position.

As for Alomar, he always seemed to be good at the secondary things in the game (baserunning, defense, eye, etc) but maybe that's just a thought I had in my head from my youth.

2007-09-11 22:08:16
554.   KG16

Next two are must wins.

2007-09-11 22:08:37
555.   El Lay Dave
Kent is Tomko's last batter no matter what?
2007-09-11 22:10:40
556.   underdog
555 Alas, yes.

Sigh. Loney had a pitch to hit there, too. Oh well. Yeah, I agree, the Dodgers have to win the next two, they have to do whatever they can. Get some more of the kids in there for pete's sake, too.

2007-09-11 22:10:44
557.   scooplew
Having Tomko mopping up is rubbing our noses in it. I think that the Dodgers will have some revenge tomorrow. Good luck to all; I'll be at Jewish New Year services.
2007-09-11 22:10:59
558.   Icaros

I'm going to the SF-AZ game tomorrow. This was going to be one of the rare times in my life when I would be rooting for the Giants.

I don't think it's even worth cheapening myself like that now.

2007-09-11 22:12:49
559.   Zak
How do you leave in Loaiza to give up six runs in an important game like this? You're coming off a rest day with expanded rosters. The guy should have been on a short leash. And you get the chance to PH for him with the bases loaded, you have to take it.

I really want to like Little, but it's getting harder and harder. Kinda like Tracy. Tracy always seemed like a nice guy and you wanted to root for him to succeed. But one befuddling decision after another, and you just start disliking the guy. Little is drifting that way.

Ned keeps getting him players, and instead of picking the best team, he rotates the lineup so they can all play often. WTF?

2007-09-11 22:13:55
560.   Frip
I'm so stuffed with Chinese food I could care less if the stadium caught fire, much less about this loss. Food coma completely debilitates the conscience.
2007-09-11 22:14:01
561.   Zak
Sorry, I am usually more of an internalizer when frustrated. That post got away from me.
2007-09-11 22:14:57
562.   ToyCannon
2007-09-11 22:15:35
563.   Zak
Kennedy is going on about Little leaving Loaiza in to hit with the bases loaded.
2007-09-11 22:16:36
564.   Bluebleeder87
I would've pitched Hull, Houlton & Meloan in those key situations, call me crazy but I'd rather the Padres face pitchers the padres KNOW NOTHING ABOUT, yeah I said it, call me crazy if you want, but it makes sense to me.
2007-09-11 22:17:49
565.   Frip
You're crazy.
2007-09-11 22:18:23
566.   Bluebleeder87

ugh, that gets me angry (maybe jealous) I hit the treadmill if I eat to much ice cream, god bless you man.

2007-09-11 22:24:42
567.   underdog
564 I don't think a single person here will call you crazy for suggesting that, amigo.

I really do think Grady's suffering from burnout - his decision-making the last 4-5 days has been particularly bad. But then I thought Dave Jauss was there to supposedly help keep a manager from doing something stupid. Fire Dave Jauss!

Sorry, I'm burned out too. Night all. Here's to better times tomorrow.

2007-09-11 22:24:56
568.   LAT
Kennedy ripping Grady for leaving Loaiza in the second but no one questions what the guy is doing on the team in the first place. I guess its the Inept GM Professional curtersy.
2007-09-11 22:26:25
569.   El Lay Dave
567 If you fire Dave Jauss, Will will cry.
2007-09-11 22:27:01
570.   Zak
568 Having a Loaiza is no worse that having a Tomko. I don't mind sending him out there, although how much worse could someone like James McDonald be? Anyway, with Loaiza out there though, you don't wait to see if he will settle down. Anyone could see from inning one, he was not going to settle down.
2007-09-11 22:28:07
571.   Zak
Lyons is still optimistic about the Dodgers chances. That's good enough for me.
2007-09-11 22:28:22
572.   KG16
568 - I wouldn't call Ned inept, yet. The team needed a starting pitcher, given how many starters had gone down. He got the guy that he thought was the best available. Does anyone here really like the idea of relying on Hendrickson and/or Tomko for the remainder of the season?
2007-09-11 22:28:42
573.   trainwreck
Torey Lovullo would have pulled him.

Actually, I have no idea.

2007-09-11 22:31:52
574.   scooplew
Reading all these posts tonight makes me think that we are the crew and Little is the captain in "The Caine Mutiny." Didn't I notice him rolling balls in his hands?
2007-09-11 22:34:43
575.   Zak
574 That sounds painful.
2007-09-11 22:36:50
576.   El Lay Dave
571 If the Dodgers come back, Lyons doesn't want to caught with his pants down.
2007-09-11 22:37:51
577.   KG16
What's McCourt's commitment to Dodger Stadium? I remember him saying something like at least the next 10 years. Is that the time frame we are looking at for a new stadium?

If so, where does it get built, and what kind of team do we build it for? Dodger Stadium was obviously built for Koufax and Drysdale, much like Yankee Stadium was built for Ruth and Gerhig.

2007-09-11 22:38:08
578.   Eric Stephen
576 You're on fire tonight.
2007-09-11 22:38:29
579.   Zak
576 Lyons would never be stupid enough to allow that to happen.
2007-09-11 22:39:05
580.   KG16
Grady says we'll get a different line up tomorrow.

Optimism or pessimism?

2007-09-11 22:39:12
581.   Eric Stephen
577 I seem to remember him saying the plan is to be at DS for 25 more years. Am I remembering that correctly?
2007-09-11 22:40:20
582.   underdog
I'd forgotten how wonderful Galaxy Quest is. It's on Cinemax right now. I'm already cheered up.


The thing about Loiaza - well, we'd been warned about him. He's going to be pretty good 2 out of 3 times and that 3rd time he'll be truly awful. I guess the Dodgers could sub in for him the next time there's a third time - if necessary. So, hey, maybe next time he'll be solid again. Tomko's terrible every time. Next year the Dodgers will have more options - that actually aren't terrible options.

2007-09-11 22:40:32
583.   trainwreck
I am going to go with optimism.

Yeah, let's try that.

2007-09-11 22:40:57
584.   underdog
580 Where'd you hear that?
2007-09-11 22:41:54
585.   underdog
576 But did Lyons ever slide into first with his pants down? Or ever get mistaken for a woman with his pants down?
2007-09-11 22:43:23
586.   KG16
584 - post game show, they jumped into Grady talking to the media, they asked him about changes to the lineup, he said, "It won't be the same one we had tonight".
2007-09-11 22:43:33
587.   King of the Hobos
580 That just means Kemp will play.
2007-09-11 22:44:18
588.   Eric Stephen
The positive side is that we get Lowe and Billingsley the next two days, each on 5 days rest (against Germano & Maddux).
2007-09-11 22:45:24
589.   trainwreck
If Lowe's hurt hand does not keep him from pitching.
2007-09-11 22:48:59
590.   Eric Stephen
586 I'm going to allow myself to believe LaRoche gets a start at 3B tomorrow for the first time in 6 days. Furcal already got a day off Sunday, so he stays in. I don't think Pierre gets benched just yet. Here's my guess at the lineup tomorrow:

SS Furcal
CF Pierre
1B Loney
RF Kemp
LF Ethier
C Martin
2B Abreu
3B LaRoche

I think Abreu starts for defense since Lowe is on the mound, but I can see him at 3B instead of LaRoche (leaving Kent in).

2007-09-11 22:50:03
591.   King of the Hobos
Seems like McLane is going to draw out the GM search, so we apparently won't know if White is leaving us for awhile. Here's a quote from the Houston Chronicle:

"I got good vibes," Watson said. "We'll see what happens. He said he'll be back in touch with me in 10 days. I'll either go to Round 2 or be out."

And the Chronicles' lead story on their homepage is about a Mormon beefcake calendar. Is that really worth the lead story on the Chronicle's homepage?

2007-09-11 22:50:42
592.   KG16
590 - we can dream
2007-09-11 22:51:15
593.   underdog
586 And he also said we won't see Roberto Hernandez near a pitcher's mound until the season's over, right?

Yeah, what's the latest on Lowe? I am optimistic he'll be ready by Wednesday.

2007-09-11 22:51:34
594.   King of the Hobos
586 Did Grady mention anything about Lowe's condition?
2007-09-11 22:53:15
595.   underdog
590 I think that's dead-on.

But I'll throw in Delwyn Young in CF just for wishful thinking. ;-)

Night all.

2007-09-11 22:54:02
596.   KG16
594 - they only jumped in for a few seconds, basically a question about leaving Loaiza in and then a question about the line up. The answer on the Loaiza question was pretty much gibberish.
2007-09-11 22:56:22
597.   Eric Stephen
This is purely academic, but Jeff Kent had 5 PAs tonight, giving him 521 on the season. He needs 29 more plate apps in the Dodgers final 18 games for his $9m 2008 option to vest.

If he doesn't reach the 550 PA threshold, the Dodgers hold a $7m option with a $500k buyout. However, if he doesn't get the 29 PAs without being hurt (highly unlikely, close to 0%), I foresee a grievance filed by the MLBPA.

Kent has said all year he will wait until the offseason to decide whether or not he will play in 2008.

2007-09-11 23:00:09
598.   Jon Weisman
Yes, they should have hit for Loaiza in the second inning.

Vin does not read DT that I know of. He's a big fan of the 9/11 game too - he usually talks about it on the anniversary. I think he does that on his own.

I think LaRoche and Kemp will play Wednesday, but not Abreu.

Did anyone predict Hu would hit his first major-league homer before LaRoche?

2007-09-11 23:02:42
599.   Jon Weisman
New post up top.

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