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Let's Try a Different Approach and See What Happens
2007-09-12 17:35
by Jon Weisman

Countdown to 81 wins: just six more.

Tonight's game:


Retro Gameday

Comments (419)
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2007-09-12 17:43:53
1.   ToyCannon
I won't be LAT'd

I think it is very valid to point out how well Navarro is doing. Ever since Ned started trading kids it has been pointed out be his supporters that he has never traded anything of value.

Will don't look now boys, but Navarro is building value. At a very fast rate. Were not throwing out the 1st half, were showing you a 23 year old catcher who may have figured things out. I didn't think he had it in him, but that doesn't mean we should ignore it when it happens.

Okay off to the game with some unknown Dodger Thought lurkers. If you don't hear from me again, find out who Chris and Nancy are.

2007-09-12 17:46:16
2.   Jon Weisman
I LATed myself: I commented at 120 in the last thread if anyone cares.
2007-09-12 17:48:13
3.   The Mootz
With apologies to Steve Miller, "The Gibson Clock keeps on slippin' slippin' slippin' into the future."
2007-09-12 17:48:57
4.   King of the Hobos

Josh Kalk, one of the guys using PF/X data, has created an algorithm for determining what pitches a pitcher throws. He has some 300 pitchers up so far. It's far from perfect (see his blog post, apparently Maddux only throws fast balls), but interesting nonetheless.

Blog Post
Player Cards

2007-09-12 17:51:50
5.   Bluebleeder87
From last thread.


I hope for nothing but the best for Navarro & ALL former prospects/Dodgers, maybe I'm just confusing him with regfairfield (sp) a few days ago he basically said that Navarro was a better player than Russell in a tone that IMO was baiting me, I've read his comments before so I know he knows better, I guess he was in "one of those moods that day" or something. My apologies Ungar07

2007-09-12 17:53:17
6.   Jon Weisman
5 - Even if the author had been who you thought it was, the comment was not directed at you or anyone.

I mean, shoot, if we can't even mention Dioner Navarro finally getting on a hot streak, we really have gotten too sensitive.

2007-09-12 17:54:11
7.   underdog
I think we should all participate in an Ultimate Fighting Challenge of the comments board, and whoever emerges victorious will be able to... er... I don't know, haven't figured that part out yet.

Man, I hope the Dodgers win tonight.

2007-09-12 17:55:13
8.   bhsportsguy
2 I agree and I will put my axe away.

I often feel that I am put into a positon of making a counterpoint statement that appears to be supporting the Dodger's front office, etc. Its not that I support them blindly, I just try to look at it from their perspective and if it makes sense to me, then I am probably going to present that point of view.

When things don't make sense, I will point that out also.

So congrats to Dionner and I hope he and his family have a great rest of 2007 and beyond. And I hope a lot of the guys who started their careers as Dodgers do pan out because that will only enhance other minor leaguer's value when they might get dealt away too.

2007-09-12 17:55:57
9.   Howard Fox
81 wins....setting our sights a little high, are we??

I always like Navarro when he was with us, he seemed to have a good command of the field defensively, and at the time, I wasn't so sure we should have gotten rid of him...Martin has made it ok...

and with the number of games we have Martin playing, he should give us a long and fruitful career of at least 5 or 6 years...

2007-09-12 17:56:09
10.   Peanuts in My Shoes
Wonder if this'll work:

Here's to the first of six wins tonight on our way to 81!

2007-09-12 17:56:45
11.   trainwreck
I am gonna get someone caught in a gogoplata.
2007-09-12 17:58:25
12.   Howard Fox
lets say Billingsley get 4 more starts including tonite...there is 4 of your wins...where will the others come from?
2007-09-12 17:58:49
13.   D4P
Triangle CHOKE!
2007-09-12 18:00:46
14.   bhsportsguy
9 154, 147, 139, 141, 129, 134, 137, 121, and 128.

Those are the numbers of games caught by Johnny Bench at the beginning of his career. He started playing at age 19 so his first few years, they really played him a lot.

2007-09-12 18:08:40
15.   KG16
Thought from the last thread...

About the Pedro trade (I can't believe I'm about to do this, but...): I don't think it was a very bad move, at the time. Looking at Pedro's numbers, it wasn't until 1997 that he became the Pedro Martinez that is, arguably, the best pitcher of his generation. In his first four years with the Expos, his numbers weren't that different from his short time with the Dodgers.

Given the team that the Dodgers had in the early to mid-90s (Strawberry, Davis, Piazza, Karros, Mondesi, et al), I think it made sense (again at the time) to trade him, especially considering he was at best a spot starter with a rotation of Orel, Ramon, Candiotti, Gross, and Astacio.

The team needed a second baseman and they got the best available. They were trying to win, I see nothing wrong with it... except in hindsight (Hershiser getting hurt, Ramon getting hurt, Strawberry and Davis getting hurt, etc).

2007-09-12 18:11:56
16.   regfairfield
6 I have not said that Dioner Navarro was better than Russell Martin since about June 2006, and even then it was "Navarro is better right now, Russ will be the catcher by the start of 2007".

I defend the guy because he just got a very raw deal in LA. The guy comes to the club as "Pudgito" performs well offensively at age 21 and 22, then somehow became worthless while he was live the club.

2007-09-12 18:12:01
17.   GoBears
8 I often feel that I am put into a positon of making a counterpoint statement that appears to be supporting the Dodger's front office, etc.

I got LAT'd in the last thread too, but you sort of answered my comment here anyway. Still I guess I wonder: why do you feel that you are put into any position? You're not under any obligation to be the voice of counterpoint. Trust me, I well understand the instinct. I'm surrounded all day by students and colleagues who think that just about everything is a moral outrage in one way or another, in need of immediate attention and protest (often from both sides at the same time).

But forget real life. In baseball, there really ARE moral imperatives.

2007-09-12 18:12:29
18.   King of the Hobos
Looks like Mark Redman could be pitching his way into the Rockies rotation (4 innings, only runner allowed was a Dobbs single). This could be very advantageous to the Dodgers if they manage to stay in the race.
2007-09-12 18:12:30
19.   Bluebleeder87
and at the time, I wasn't so sure we should have gotten rid of him.

For the record I felt the same way about it also, I'm glad it worked out well for BOTH OF THEM. I wanted them to duke it out on the field for what it's worth, but I also have to say I watched Russell Martin since he's Jax days.

2007-09-12 18:13:20
20.   El Lay Dave
14 To keep Bench's bat in the lineup, they also played him 20+ games at other positions, at least through 1975, while he was still young and agile enough for it.

Next year, I'd like to see Martin get more of the DH starts in the AL park games.

2007-09-12 18:13:22
21.   GMac In The 909
13 I hope the Dodgers can break the triangle choke they are in right now.
2007-09-12 18:13:58
22.   GoBears
Hey, D4P. You gonna stand for 15 ? He just insulted your name, man!
2007-09-12 18:14:07
23.   regfairfield
15 I wrote this piece on the subject trying to only take account what we knew then, and still came to the conclusion it was a terrible idea.

2007-09-12 18:14:49
24.   Peanuts in My Shoes
Well, here's the LaRoche answer, from Tony Jackson:
Other injuries: Rookie third baseman Andy LaRoche is limited to pinch hitting because his chronic back problem has become an issue again. LaRoche is unable to bend over to field ground balls and thus hasn't appeared in a game in a week.
``It's not serious,'' Little said. ``He seems to be OK swinging a bat, but fielding ground balls is a little bit of a bother right now, so it will probably be a couple of days before he is available (defensively).''
2007-09-12 18:15:07
25.   D4P
I was going to make a similar comment, but let it slide. I can't think of any scenario under which a DT commenter is "put" into any kind of position. We choose our positions of our own free will.
2007-09-12 18:18:06
26.   D4P
Nah, I'm gonna remain seated. Heck: I don't even stand for cycle alerts anymore.
2007-09-12 18:18:27
27.   Andrew Shimmin
24- I sense a Curb Your Enthusiasm deal going down. Colletti decided that Abreu's fake injury was a brilliant move, and decided to fake a LaRoche injury. So we all get stuck spending the evening with Hillenbrand, when we'd rather be at Ted Danson's.

Or something.

2007-09-12 18:19:00
28.   Curtis Lowe
24 - Nooooo!

I thought only promising young pitchers had their careers derailed due to injuries!

2007-09-12 18:21:32
29.   Bluebleeder87
I defend the guy because he just got a very raw deal in LA.

You can say that about Russell Martin also, ever since Navarro arrived Russell got put on the back shelf (something I even wrote Ken Gurnik about, he never replied but that's a whole different story) Don't forget Home Depo brought in Navarro, Russell Martin was already here. I TOTALLY HEAR YOU about Navarro not getting a fair shake when he injured him self he pretty much got put on the shelf as well.

Ps Let's just be friends, yeah? :o)

2007-09-12 18:22:09
30.   underdog
24 Not great to hear, but on the other hand, good to at least hear about it! I had a bad feeling something was up with Andy's back. Just weird they hadn't seen fit to mention anything 'til today. I guess they thought no one cared. Good thing Abreu's around at least.
2007-09-12 18:22:28
31.   Peanuts in My Shoes
27. Ha! So who eats the cake?
2007-09-12 18:23:58
32.   El Lay Dave
24 Also from Jackson's blog notes:
Meanwhile, shortstop prospect Ivan DeJesus Jr. was at Dodger Stadium for a visit with friend and fellow Puerto Rican Ramon Martinez, but DeJesus had a bandage on his left wrist. He underwent surgery last week to repair torn ligaments he suffered when his hand collided with a sliding baserunner's helmet late in the season at Single-A Inland Empire.

``I was going to go to (the Arizona Fall League), but now I'm just going to rest and let this heal,'' DeJesus said. ``I want to be 100 percent and ready for spring training.''

2007-09-12 18:24:41
33.   Andrew Shimmin
29 You think Martin should have skipped AA and AAA to play instead of Navarro in 2005? Or that he should have just skipped 23 games in AAA, to start 2006 with the major league team?
2007-09-12 18:25:23
34.   KG16
22/23/26 - my main point was that it still took 4 years as a starter for Pedro to become Pedro. I don't think it was in the club's best interest to wait 4 years for him to develop (if he would have developed) when they had the core that they had.

Would I have loved to have seen him play his entire career with the Dodgers? Absolutely. Just like I would have preferred to see Piazza play his entire career with the Bums.

We traded Pedro on potential, and lost. We lost big.

2007-09-12 18:27:02
35.   Andrew Shimmin
31- It's written into his contract that Lasorda gets the right of first refusal on any baked good that finds its way into the front office.
2007-09-12 18:28:06
36.   underdog
Wait, I assume Tony Jackson is confused. In that same blog entry he posts that Wells is starting for Lowe tonight and then Billingsley. Or did they switch places with Wells going tonight? I assume the former...
2007-09-12 18:28:42
37.   Linkmeister
35 No! Who wrote that contract? That's worse than the JD Drew early-out clause!
2007-09-12 18:28:53
38.   GoBears
24. Hmm, that stinks. Of course, it doesn't necessarily imply the counterfactual that Little would play LaRoche if he were healthy.

I wonder if it wouldn't be better to just shut him down for the year. It would end the angst, anyway.

2007-09-12 18:29:42
39.   regfairfield
29 I don't think that's true at all. The common knowledge seemed to be (and someone could correct me if I'm wrong) that Russ' target date was late 2006/2007 and Navarro would hold the job until then. I don't think anyone, even Paul DePodesta, thought that Navarro was a permanent solution. But consider what Russ had done at the time he was acquired, coming off a year where he only hit .250 at Vero Beach, albeit with more walks than strikeouts. Yeah, that's good, but not "anoint this guy catcher of the future with no backup plans" good. Plus, Russ had only been catching for one year at the time Navarro was acquired, so I could the Dodgers not being entirely sold on him making a career at the position.

Navarro seemed to be away to bridge the gap to Russ, as well as a safety net if he failed.

2007-09-12 18:29:52
40.   D4P
I wonder if it wouldn't be better to just shut him down for the year

I agree, and there shouldn't be much resistance from Management.

2007-09-12 18:30:16
41.   Peanuts in My Shoes
36. It's "Tomorrow's Notebook Today" so it's like we're seeing into the future. They should make a TV show about that. Oh, wait...
2007-09-12 18:30:31
42.   underdog
Oh never mind, it's I who is confused - as Jackson was posting tomorrow's notes. So today meant tomorrow and...never mind.
2007-09-12 18:30:35
43.   GoBears
34. Yeah, I got your point. Good point.
2007-09-12 18:31:08
44.   underdog
41 Heh. Or that. Maybe Tom Snyder should write Tony Jackson's blog. Er, uh, never mind.
2007-09-12 18:35:16
45.   Bluebleeder87
33 read 19
2007-09-12 18:36:51
46.   El Lay Dave
A thread or two ago, someone made a reference to a "declining Derek Lowe". Aging, perhaps, but his Dodger numbers are:

Year - GS, IP, WHIP, ERA+ (ERA), K/9, BB/9, K/BB, HR/9
2005 - 35, 222, 1.252, 113 (3.61), 5.92, 2.23, 2.65, 1.14
2006 - 34, 218, 1.266, 126 (3.63), 5.08, 2.27, 2.24, 0.58
2007 - 29, 177, 1.261, 118 (3.80), 6.42, 2.62, 2.45, 0.89

That's pretty consistent.

2007-09-12 18:40:36
47.   Sam DC
I was looking at the list of "letting the pitcher hit late and then immediately pulling him" situations that Curtis collected a couple of threads ago. It is something how that situation came up so many times in such quick succession.
2007-09-12 18:40:44
48.   Bluebleeder87

I didn't realize that, I really felt Navarro was being groomed to be our everyday catcher, it sure felt that way they way management talked about him.

2007-09-12 18:44:24
49.   Linkmeister
The other day when LaTech was going for two and the win after a touchdown against UH in overtime, UH QB Colt Brennan covered his head with a towel; he couldn't watch. (The DB or safety knocked the pass down and UH won.)

I feel that way about tonight's game.

2007-09-12 18:44:55
50.   Curtis Lowe
47 - I had just forgotten about all that.


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2007-09-12 18:47:15
51.   El Lay Dave
34 The first year in Montreal, the ill-fated '94 strike year for the apparently cursed Expos, Martinez made 23 starts, with 123 ERA+ (3.42), 1.106 WHIP, near 9 K/9, 2.8 BB/9. That's at least a very good #3 starter or a pretty good #2. He was similar the next two years, then in '97 became Pedro, only one name needed.

Delino was a second baseman.

Bad trade based even Pedro performs only like those first three seasons with Les Expos.

(Tommy would have kept him in the pen and burned his arm out like Niedenfuer's anyway, so no use crying over that spilled milk.)

2007-09-12 18:48:21
52.   GMac In The 909
49 Here's to Matt Kemp knocking down a pass.
2007-09-12 18:48:43
53.   El Lay Dave
44 Unlike Tony, Tom Snyder would have an even emotional response after each game, no matter what.
2007-09-12 18:49:07
54.   Sam DC
48 I recall uncertainty which guy was better and/or the long term catcher, although definitely it was assumed/understood that Martin was not ready at the time Navarro was acquired. My understanding, which may not be accurate, was that management at that point thought it smart to have options and let them play out some.
2007-09-12 18:50:08
55.   King of the Hobos
Manos: Hands of Fate (a MST3K classic) is now a rock opera. I have no idea if any of you care, but that astounds me.
2007-09-12 18:51:14
56.   Jon Weisman
34 - "my main point was that it still took 4 years as a starter for Pedro to become Pedro. I don't think it was in the club's best interest to wait 4 years for him to develop (if he would have developed) when they had the core that they had."

Martinez's ERA in his first four seasons away from the Dodgers: 3.42, 3.52, 3.70, 1.90.

ERA+: 123, 120, 117, 221

Putting aside the fact that Delino became the best available second baseman only through a domino effect of bungles, are you really suggesting Martinez wouldn't have been an asset? He was already an asset.

This is not a hindsight thing. I know all too well that Delino did worse than expected, but even if Pedro had never become Pedro, the Dodgers still traded a pitcher who had already arrived. He had thrown 107 innings with an ERA of 2.61 at age 21. Would you want to trade that guy right now?

2007-09-12 18:53:16
57.   King of the Hobos
Speaking of DeJesus (in 32 ), Puerto Rico wants a 10 year hiatus from the Draft (the Rule 4 MLB variety). Any chance they get it?
2007-09-12 18:55:36
58.   scareduck
56 - and people wonder why I still have a Fire Tommy Lasorda blog.
2007-09-12 18:56:11
59.   scareduck
55 - that is hilaripus.
2007-09-12 18:56:48
60.   Bluebleeder87
although definitely it was assumed/understood that Martin was not ready at the time Navarro was acquired.

defensively in my opinion he was already better than Navarro (even though Martin was relatively new to the position) BUT in all fairness Navarro had the better bat at that point.

2007-09-12 18:59:16
61.   Bluebleeder87


2007-09-12 19:00:07
62.   Curtis Lowe
The Dodger's should hire the jigsaw guy from SAW to give a team motivation speach.
2007-09-12 19:00:36
63.   KG16
56 - as I said in 34, I would have loved to have seen Pedro play his entire career in the Ravine. And if we learned nothing from the mid-90s (and again this year) it's that you can't have too few starting pitchers on your club. But, as I said in 15, the Dodgers thought they had their rotation figured out for a few years and Pedro was the odd man out.

Honestly, I would have dealt Candiotti and/or Gross before I traded Pedro.

2007-09-12 19:02:14
64.   Bob Timmermann
The Estate of George McQuillan opens a bottle of champagne as Joba Chamberlain's scoreless streak ends on an A-Rod error.
2007-09-12 19:03:59
65.   Bluebleeder87
I didn't realize Glaus was done for the season [ ]
2007-09-12 19:06:18
66.   Gen3Blue
Its going to be a sort of marathon watching a string of west coast starts at 10pm et. But I went to sleep last night after our 3 walk ist, so I'm still rested. If Lowe walks even two guys in the first I'm sleeping. He can give up hits, HRs, anything. But 2 or 3 walks I can't take. When I was thirty-five I could pitch an inning w/o a walk, and I never made it past Babe Ruth.
2007-09-12 19:07:17
67.   Curtis Lowe
66 - I guarantee Lowe will not be walking anybody tonights.
2007-09-12 19:08:58
68.   Zak
Maybe everyone is tired of the losing and not thinking straight, but I can't believe the two ongoing arguments are whether the decision to trade Pedro was correct and whether the Dodgers made a mistake by keeping Russell freakin' Martin.

I mean, I can't think of two bigger no-brainer sides of the argument. What's next? Did the Dodgers mess up by converting Gagne to closer? Come on!! Shouldn't have traded Pedro and made the right decision by keeping Martin. You really have to go outside the box to argue those two points.

2007-09-12 19:09:55
69.   Zak
Why can't Broxton play catch with Jake Peavy and Brandon Webb?
2007-09-12 19:10:33
70.   scareduck
65 - neither did I.
2007-09-12 19:11:39
71.   Jon Weisman
68 - Not one person tonight or any night here has suggested that the Dodgers made a mistake by keeping Russell Martin. Who are you addressing?
2007-09-12 19:12:09
72.   Andrew Shimmin
68- Just to be clear, absolutely nobody thinks keeping Martin was a mistake.
2007-09-12 19:12:36
73.   GMac In The 909
68 I blame Jody Reed for it all.
2007-09-12 19:13:07
74.   Curtis Lowe
nice play by Furcal.
2007-09-12 19:13:54
75.   KG16
68/71 - nor am I suggesting that trading Pedro was the right thing, simply pointing out that at the time, it was justifiable. But as I said, Pedro was probably the fourth pitcher on the staff at the time that I would have traded.
2007-09-12 19:13:58
76.   Gen3Blue
About Lowe walking people....never mind.
I forgot.
2007-09-12 19:15:08
77.   Andrew Shimmin
Russ Martin is perhaps the only Colbert Dichotomy ("great, or the greatest ever?") Dodger.
2007-09-12 19:15:51
78.   Bluebleeder87
Good sign from Billz...
2007-09-12 19:16:26
79.   Curtis Lowe
Besides Martin is Golden God, Navarro is more of a bronze gollum.
2007-09-12 19:16:32
80.   Zak
71 I'm just exaggerating. My point is more along the lines of people are arguing for the sake of arguing and nothing else. And I am not addressing or attacking anybody. Just picking on the tone of the arguments going on. Sorry for saying anything.
2007-09-12 19:16:56
81.   underdog
55 You're kidding?? Still one of my favorite episodes, next to Pod People, but my gosh, watching that film without the commentary would be a slow death, indeed. I wonder who will play beloved sidekick Torgo?
2007-09-12 19:17:05
82.   El Lay Dave
Russell Martin has 31 career steals in the majors (257 games). 39 in the minors (392 games).

68 I don't think the discussion is keeping Martin or not, it is if Navarro was properly evaluated and valued. He was an important piece in a Randy Johnson deal and a Shawn Green (when he still had perceived value) deal, yet he and Jae Seo only netted the Dodgers Mark Hendrickson and Toby Hall.

2007-09-12 19:17:35
83.   Sam DC
Dear ESPN2:

I would rather you be showing me the Dodgers/Padres game with major playoff implications than a pool tournament at Mohegan Sun.

I understand that you don't care.

Very truly yours,


2007-09-12 19:19:31
84.   Jon Weisman
80 - You don't need to apologize. It's just that, as with the Navarro comment, it seems like the people behind the original comment are perfectly calm, and the people who are criticizing those people for stirring things up were actually the ones stirring things up. Compare the tone of 68 to the others.
2007-09-12 19:19:50
85.   El Lay Dave
10 pitches. Billingsley the Kid showing Loaiza the vet how it is supposed to be done. Maybe I'm still a little bitter about yesterday.
2007-09-12 19:20:11
86.   Zak
82 Again, not disagreeing with any of that. Just commenting that the arguments here are Martin v Navarro and should we have traded Pedro or not. Not usually big topics of discussion anywhere or here on most nights.
2007-09-12 19:21:02
87.   Zak
84 OK. Point taken. I really don't have much to add to this topic.
2007-09-12 19:22:15
88.   El Lay Dave
86 Because most blogs don't have rule 8. :)
2007-09-12 19:22:48
89.   El Lay Dave
Germano plays can you top this - seven pitches.
2007-09-12 19:22:51
90.   Gagne55
80 So you're violating rule 6 because others are violating rule 4. And you're making sure not to violate rule 2.
2007-09-12 19:23:37
91.   Sam DC
87 If you'd like to weigh in on my being stuck watching pool or a fourth rerun of the Redskins/Dolphin game, feel free.

It's moderately cathartic. :)

2007-09-12 19:23:42
92.   underdog
83 Amen. Especially since MLBTV is having all sorts of issues tonight, at least for me.
2007-09-12 19:25:11
93.   Bob Timmermann
Volunteering to decorate a Rose Parade float is one of those activities which I have managed to avoid during my tenure in the city of South Pasadena. And they will dragoon any human over the age of five into doing it here.

I'm not volunteering to decorate the Dodger float for the TofR.

2007-09-12 19:25:16
94.   underdog
Uh oh, Spicoli's on first.
2007-09-12 19:25:50
95.   Zak
90 I did definitely violate rule 6. Better a lurker be.
2007-09-12 19:26:17
96.   King of the Hobos
The Angels need a 14 run 9th to tie the Rangers. Too bad Shuey is long gone.
2007-09-12 19:26:56
97.   Curtis Lowe

duh duh duh duhduhduh


2007-09-12 19:27:17
98.   El Lay Dave
93 I was a northeast LA kid, as you may remember, but I have somehow managed to never attend the Rose Parade, despite it being an easy bicycling distance from my high school.

Think the float will have a lot of blue and white flowers?

2007-09-12 19:27:23
99.   Gen3Blue
All the Pads seem red hot when they play us.
2007-09-12 19:29:04
100.   Andrew Shimmin
86- Just be glad that there don't seem to be any English language sites that track the Kia Tigers.
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2007-09-12 19:29:41
101.   El Lay Dave
96 All these Ranger offensive explosions AFTER the Teixeira trade. Hmmmm.
2007-09-12 19:29:45
102.   Bob Timmermann
He's been injured almost all year.
2007-09-12 19:30:13
103.   Sam DC
96 Down to 12.
2007-09-12 19:30:59
104.   KG16
Vin is waxing poetic about Kershaw and Young's game of catch
2007-09-12 19:31:08
105.   Bob Timmermann
Since I will be at the game tomorrow night, this will be my last time to find out how Terrmel Sledge got his first name.
2007-09-12 19:32:13
106.   Bob Timmermann
The Rangers scored 1 run today in Detroit.
2007-09-12 19:32:17
107.   El Lay Dave
105 Sounds like what one gets when one lets Uncle John Madden name the kid.
2007-09-12 19:32:50
108.   KG16
105 - I'm sure they'll put it up on the jumbotron as one of those fun facts about the player...
2007-09-12 19:33:24
109.   El Lay Dave
106 That's what I get for taking 96 at face value.
2007-09-12 19:34:17
110.   Sam DC
I asked around about Termel but got no answer.

I did learn he is half Korean.

And the Os just walked the bases loaded wiht one out in the ninth.

2007-09-12 19:34:24
111.   El Lay Dave
Ugh. Nice K, but bad walk.
2007-09-12 19:34:25
112.   Curtis Lowe
Terrmel went around that pitch before the walk.
2007-09-12 19:34:48
113.   Bluebleeder87
Looks like we're gonna have a small strike zone again.
2007-09-12 19:34:49
114.   Bob Timmermann
Big Papi hits a 2-run walkoff homer to deprive Edwin Jackson of a win.
2007-09-12 19:35:25
115.   Sam DC
But it was the Lugo walk that set it up!!
2007-09-12 19:35:29
116.   Curtis Lowe
Remember that extra inning game where Martin stole third and was called out but was clearly safe.

Dodgers get bad calls against the pads.

2007-09-12 19:36:02
117.   Bluebleeder87

I thought it was a strike, Period. I wonder how in looked on gameday.

2007-09-12 19:36:13
118.   El Lay Dave
111 Ooops, lost track of the outs, thought there was only one, not two.
2007-09-12 19:37:26
119.   King of the Hobos
Angels loaded the bases with 12 runs to go, but couldn't cash score any of the runners. Unless the Orioles rally, the Angels will have to be content with a measly 18 runs.
2007-09-12 19:38:23
120.   Bluebleeder87

I guess it's the way they treat rookies I shouldn't be too surprised, but I always am, oh well.

2007-09-12 19:38:43
121.   scareduck
119 - Slackers.
2007-09-12 19:39:01
122.   Jon Weisman
95 - The last thing I want is to chase you away.
2007-09-12 19:39:01
123.   Jon Weisman
95 - The last thing I want is to chase you away.
2007-09-12 19:39:57
124.   Andrew Shimmin
Olmedo would have scored on that.
2007-09-12 19:40:18
125.   Gen3Blue
But Loney has no power!
2007-09-12 19:40:24
126.   KG16
double and an error, that should be a triple for Loney, even if Giles nutmeged it.
2007-09-12 19:40:37
127.   Bob Timmermann
2-0 Arizona on back to back homers from Reynolds and Snyder.
2007-09-12 19:40:54
128.   Gen3Blue
124 If he'd been on third.
2007-09-12 19:42:39
129.   Sam DC
Russell Greenlight.
2007-09-12 19:42:39
130.   Curtis Lowe
I'm happy for Loney coming through lately.
Kemp and Ethier had horrid at bats. Each time someone weakly hits the first pitch of an at bat they should be fined 10k.
2007-09-12 19:42:40
131.   Bob Timmermann
I think my social station in life is that I was on born on third base, but thought I got there on a single and a double error by the right fielder.
2007-09-12 19:42:59
132.   Zak
122 I enjoy your work far too much to let that happen. DT is home away from home... or mostly home while I'm at the office. :)

It was a flippant comment and I wouldn't have made it if I had thought about it. But it was an innocent rant, and way way way back in the past.

2007-09-12 19:43:38
133.   Sam DC
Is this picking the start date of the division series only an AL thing?

Is that because they have homefield for the Series?

2007-09-12 19:44:27
134.   El Lay Dave
The way things have gone lately, I'm happy with productive outs and scoring the first run.

2 IP, 6 ground outs for Germano. And Loney's double :)

2007-09-12 19:46:18
135.   Bob Timmermann
The top NL team will get the choice next year. Each year one league will have a series that will go like this Game 1, day off, Game 2, day off, Game 3, Game 4, day off, Game 5.

In 2008, the NL will get a series like that.

2007-09-12 19:47:05
136.   Zak
135 They should play a meaningless exhibition game to decide who gets that choice.
2007-09-12 19:48:12
137.   PlayTwo
They have got to link the 50th Anniversary to the 20th since '88. It's seasons like that one that make the long journey worth taking.
2007-09-12 19:48:53
138.   Bob Timmermann
The 2007 postseason schedule is not quite NBAish in length:

But it's getting there.

2007-09-12 19:50:30
139.   scareduck
131 - did your mother know to run the bases counterclockwise?
2007-09-12 19:50:43
140.   Sam DC
I have the sound off, so I don't quite know what this is, but BB2N is showing clips of Jack MacDonald making some unbelievably amazing plays and than they are using animation to highlight his body parts or senses that made the plays (e.g. his upper arm that threw the ball or his field of vision that saw a play unfold).

Perhaps he is bionic?

2007-09-12 19:51:56
141.   El Lay Dave
135 So, assuming the top team has sufficient starter depth, why would they pick that series and let the other guys run their top two starters out four times on full rest?
2007-09-12 19:52:48
142.   Kingmans Performance

Bob just who is behind this new playoff schedule?

Bud Selig?


Or the FOX Network?

It seems awfully unfair to post seasons teams
in both leagues who wont have it.

2007-09-12 19:53:01
143.   Bluebleeder87
if it wasn't for this site & other blogs, I would have sold my computer a long time ago, god knows the news papers don't give me my dodger fix year around.
2007-09-12 19:53:15
144.   El Lay Dave
140 literally electric. ;)
2007-09-12 19:53:50
145.   Gen3Blue
I have to preface this by saying I love Vin's eternal enthusiasm and the fact that he is never the"homer". But something inside me cringed when he said "Wow this is going to be great tomorrow night; Wells against Maddox">>>
2007-09-12 19:55:02
146.   El Lay Dave
145 Age-ist! :)
2007-09-12 19:55:32
147.   Sam DC
144 Well done.
2007-09-12 19:56:09
148.   El Lay Dave
All seven outs now on the ground for Germano. Get those IF assist records handy folks.
2007-09-12 19:56:23
149.   Gen3Blue
144 I got a charge out of that. By the way, did you mean Peavey threw 10 times this year on the 6th day after his last start. I missed it somewhere>>
2007-09-12 19:56:44
150.   El Lay Dave
148 Eight.
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2007-09-12 19:57:32
151.   El Lay Dave
149 Yes. Five days of rest. Must be off-days, postponements, etc.
2007-09-12 19:57:46
152.   El Lay Dave
149 charge. nice.
2007-09-12 19:58:27
153.   Bluebleeder87
2-0 Arizona on back to back homers from Reynolds and Snyder.

Icaros loan DT Mojo isn't working I guess, he's at the game.

2007-09-12 19:58:37
154.   Bob Timmermann
FOX picked the new schedule because they wanted the World Series to begin and end in the middle of the week because people don't watch it on the weekend as much.
2007-09-12 19:58:57
155.   KG16
Raffy looked like he started running there and didn't move for three steps or so. But he got the stolen base, so I won't complain.
2007-09-12 19:59:01
156.   Sam DC
Houston messing with the Cubs and possibly earning themselves a case of bratwurst.

Scored 1 in the bottom of the ninth, now down 3-2 with runners at the corners and one out.

2007-09-12 19:59:41
157.   Gen3Blue
Might as well steal Furc. Slappy may hit one of those singles. I think he's hitting >.290. Worth a try.
2007-09-12 20:00:07
158.   KG16
2007-09-12 20:00:08
159.   Gen3Blue
How prescient I was.
2007-09-12 20:00:16
160.   Curtis Lowe
2007-09-12 20:00:17
161.   Bluebleeder87
look at our 1 & 2 guys coming up with a run, good job.
2007-09-12 20:01:09
162.   El Lay Dave
havoc wreaked.
2007-09-12 20:01:36
163.   Sam DC
156 No bratwurst.
2007-09-12 20:01:43
164.   El Lay Dave
And I'm happy that Pierre singled to left.
2007-09-12 20:02:00
165.   underdog
Slappy comes through! Slappy McClutch, of course.

153 At least he can't blame me; I'm not at the game, too.


Man, MLBTV sucks tonight. Guess it's Gameday for me.

2007-09-12 20:02:14
166.   El Lay Dave
164 that is, going the other way.
2007-09-12 20:02:38
167.   underdog
Get inside his head, Pierre. That's what you do best.
2007-09-12 20:03:11
168.   El Lay Dave
havoc wreaked for both teams.
2007-09-12 20:03:20
169.   underdog
Or get thrown out. That's something you do well, too.

Sigh. Well, we've got two now at least.

2007-09-12 20:03:58
170.   D4P
Well, we've got two now at least

I suspect that will be enough. Billingsley is good.

2007-09-12 20:04:25
171.   Bob Timmermann
That was a very nice DP the Cubs turned and I doubt they would have gotten it against anyone except Eric Munson.

Jim DeShaies thought Eric Bruntlett should have tried to steal since Kendall is having such a bad year.

But Cecil Cooper is a cautious man.

2007-09-12 20:04:53
172.   El Lay Dave
1-1 pitchout. Good call by Bud.
2007-09-12 20:05:24
173.   trainwreck
Pierre seems to be good at a lot of things. Too bad most are not things we like.
2007-09-12 20:06:15
174.   El Lay Dave
Time for me to hit the road. Let's hope for the best folks.
2007-09-12 20:06:40
175.   scareduck
"And Kemp is limping a little bit."

What to say... what to say ...

2007-09-12 20:06:51
176.   underdog
Speaking of Bud, I wonder why he starts Cameron vs. Bilingsley when Bills looks like Koufax vs. him in every at bat. 1 for 16 with a lot of K's. (Of course now that I've said that he'll probably homer next time up.)
2007-09-12 20:07:01
177.   old dodger fan
Kemp is limping after trying to catch that blooper
2007-09-12 20:07:26
178.   underdog
That Jeff Spiccoli SS is really starting to bug me.
2007-09-12 20:07:36
179.   Jon Weisman
Let the record show that Kemp is a hustler.
2007-09-12 20:08:23
180.   underdog
Oh crap. Really? Man, that's all we need.
2007-09-12 20:09:35
181.   Kingmans Performance
bob the least fox network should have done
is make their schedule available in both leagues.

This gives the Red Sox an apparent advantage.

I suppose Fox isn't willing to move The Simpson's or American Idol on the program
schedule for a baseball game.

2007-09-12 20:10:15
182.   old dodger fan
Billingsley - 65 pitches tonight
2007-09-12 20:11:42
183.   Frip
I just had minor surgery and took a Vicodin. Everything seems so nice. And I want to be nice to everything. Why couldn't God have created us with a Vicodin disposition? Instead of like caffeine addicts without caffeine.
2007-09-12 20:12:20
184.   Eric Stephen
I didn't quite see the aftermath of the Kemp attempted dive, but he has a gait that makes it looks like he's always limping, especially when he runs.

Luckily he won't have to run around the bases; he can trot.

2007-09-12 20:12:41
185.   trainwreck
We could play a game.

Predict in how many minutes, Tony Jackson will go on his blog and rip on Billingsley for throwing too many pitches.

2007-09-12 20:13:08
186.   Eric Stephen
How about a Beimel-esque 1-2-3 DP here?
2007-09-12 20:13:47
187.   El Lay Dave
185 Too late.

Really leaving now.

2007-09-12 20:13:56
188.   regfairfield
185 Three.
2007-09-12 20:13:58
189.   Eric Stephen
185 He has that saved as a template. It's just cut and paste really.
2007-09-12 20:14:31
190.   Bluebleeder87
It could have been a lot worse, I'll take the DP for a run.
2007-09-12 20:15:05
191.   Eric Stephen
185 "Billingsley has been an adventure so far, and seems to be falling into old habits of deep pitch counts, but he hasn't given up a run yet"

Pretty tame by Tony Jackson standards.

2007-09-12 20:15:30
192.   trainwreck
I think we could make a drinking game out of his blog.
2007-09-12 20:16:33
193.   old dodger fan
2007-09-12 20:17:17
194.   Bob Timmermann
The DBacks knocked out Sanchez after loading the bases with none out in the fourth. Webb hit into a force play and now it's Andrew Shimmin's Poster Boy up.
2007-09-12 20:17:29
195.   regfairfield
I'll bet that Sledge becomes one of those guys that bounces between the 40 man rosters off the saber friendly teams.

He's got a stint in the Red Sox and A's organizations ahead of him.

2007-09-12 20:18:18
196.   Bob Timmermann
Kookie delivers a sac fly to make it 3-0.

I'm very disappointed that Scott Atchison has not pitched in Topeka or Santa Fe.

2007-09-12 20:18:24
197.   underdog
I'll take a DP with bases juiced and no outs for a run any day of the week. Whew. Billingsley's living in a tree.
2007-09-12 20:19:21
198.   Andrew Shimmin
194- TC is the one with Upton Fever. I like him, but Byrnes is my man. One look into his googley eyes makes me feel safe and warm.
2007-09-12 20:19:24
199.   nick
Bison clearly not lame...
2007-09-12 20:19:41
200.   old dodger fan
Kemp is not hurt.
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2007-09-12 20:19:56
201.   scareduck
185 - Predict in how many minutes, Tony Jackson will go on his blog and rip on Billingsley for throwing too many pitches.

Presumably he does this a lot. Is this somehow an illegitimate criticism?

2007-09-12 20:21:09
202.   scareduck
201 - "he" being Jackson.
2007-09-12 20:21:18
203.   Andrew Shimmin
196- Ah-ha! You thought that just because I don't have EI you could Rick Monday me into believing Byrnes was up, even though he'd already sac'd out. Pretty sneaky, Bob.
2007-09-12 20:22:36
204.   JoeyP
Germano is 0-3 vs the Dodgers this year with a 7.16 ERA.
2007-09-12 20:24:46
205.   Bluebleeder87
The Bison almost ran thru the base, It's hard to stop a big guy like that, wow.
2007-09-12 20:25:38
206.   Eric Stephen
195 Perhaps a Sledge for Adam Hyzdu trade in the near future?
2007-09-12 20:25:58
207.   MollyKnight
I want Kemp to steal third.
2007-09-12 20:26:07
208.   KG16
205 - if you noticed on the replay, he actually grabbed the bag as he slid through.
2007-09-12 20:26:18
209.   underdog
And the Giants are now within 3-2 of someone's precious D-Backs.
2007-09-12 20:26:41
210.   Bluebleeder87


2007-09-12 20:26:44
211.   MollyKnight
That works, too.
2007-09-12 20:26:52
213.   KG16
James Loney, You're my hero
2007-09-12 20:26:56
214.   Bob Timmermann
The boys in Thief River Falls are stirring.
2007-09-12 20:27:02
215.   old dodger fan
Loney has a nice swing. I really enjoy watching he and Kemp play.
2007-09-12 20:27:03
216.   Eric Stephen
I was half right. Kemp can trot for 2 bases.
2007-09-12 20:27:04
217.   JoeyP
I'm not really sure why Sabre teams would like Sledge. He did walk quite a bit in the minor leagues, but he was also old for his league.

As a corner OF'er (not sure if Sledge plays CF), he's rather putrid. At 30yrs old, he has no upside.

2007-09-12 20:27:16
218.   trainwreck
2007-09-12 20:27:23
219.   Andrew Shimmin
You are so beautiful, Loney
You are so beautiful, Loney
Can't you see, can't you see?
You're everything I hoped for
You're everything I need
You are so beautiful, Loney.
2007-09-12 20:27:48
220.   natepurcell
maybe loney is progressing to the mean with his home splits.

the mean=being awesome.

2007-09-12 20:27:51
221.   underdog
Crazy Eyes! Or Crazy Legs! Or whatever we're calling him these days!

I want him to hit 50 RBI's for the season tonight, and only two more to go.

2007-09-12 20:28:23
222.   trainwreck
Remember how everyone thought Loney would not have power and that Kemp was going to be our source of power?
2007-09-12 20:28:24
223.   ucladodger
Dude is such a baller. Kemp and Loney are just awesome to watch. If only they both had been playing every day for the whole year...
2007-09-12 20:28:28
224.   Bob Timmermann
That would sound really cool if Joe Cocker sang it.
2007-09-12 20:28:28
225.   Bluebleeder87
It's just so great watching the young studs develop before our eyes, just beautiful.
2007-09-12 20:28:38
226.   Eric Stephen
Paraphrasing the Padre announcers:

Vasgersian: If you had to pick between one guy, Kemp, Loney, Ethier, who would it be?

Grant: 3-way tie!

2007-09-12 20:28:41
227.   underdog
219 Works better than "Loney Again, Or..."
2007-09-12 20:28:58
228.   natepurcell
season OPS is 893!
2007-09-12 20:29:04
229.   Jon Weisman
201 - Jackson had a habit of writing as if Chad always used a lot of pitches, which wasn't true.
2007-09-12 20:29:19
230.   underdog
Man I wish my MLBTV wasn't crapping out so much tonight. Missed all the good stuff. Gameday's just not quite the same is it?
2007-09-12 20:29:51
231.   Gen3Blue
I was watching game day just for a kick. In play runs--------did Loney homer again? Him and Kemp were essential to this year and have to get 600 abs each.
2007-09-12 20:30:02
232.   Frip
Isn't there a nickname for Loney yet? "Loney" is too soft and somehow lowly sounding of a name for him.
2007-09-12 20:30:12
233.   sydneydodger
I am so happy about Loney's success this year. It's awesome to watch, even as I get by with gameday and highlights on
2007-09-12 20:30:30
234.   Andrew Shimmin
224- Or the candygram singer Karl sent over.
2007-09-12 20:30:40
235.   Eric Enders
The last three times has crapped out on me have all been while James Loney was batting. Each of the three times, he hit a home run and I missed it.
2007-09-12 20:30:47
236.   natepurcell
Loney's ZIPs projections for homeruns was 9 in 512 ABs.


2007-09-12 20:30:52
237.   Eric Stephen
224 That phrase is universal.
2007-09-12 20:32:00
238.   Eric Stephen
235 I hope your craps out often. No offense, of course.
2007-09-12 20:32:04
239.   old dodger fan
My MLBTV is working fine.
2007-09-12 20:33:44
240.   underdog
Well, now it's working again (I was giving it one more try; the last three tries it crashed my browser). Just in time to see replays of Loney's bomb.

Now if only Chad would settle down for an inning or two. That's all we ask!

2007-09-12 20:34:08
241.   Bob Timmermann
Even with Beethoven's "Ode to Joy" or how about a Joe Cocker version of "Nessun dorma"?

"Joe Cocker Does Tuvan Throat Singing"

2007-09-12 20:34:51
242.   Frip
Is there any way to watch Dodger games on the internet besides MLBTV? I live in the Inland Empire and it says Angels and Dodgers will be blacked out for me.
2007-09-12 20:35:52
243.   Eric Stephen
I wonder at what point Billingsley knew he was starting tonight? Did he plan his "throw day" around starting tomorrow instead of tonight? I wonder how much moving him up has contributed to his wildness, even though he is actually on regular rest today.
2007-09-12 20:35:56
244.   sydneydodger
it's amazing when you look down the Padres' lineup how bad their batting averages are, compared to the Dodgers.

Shows you how important pitching is I guess. Are they a good on base team?

2007-09-12 20:36:17
245.   Nagman
Cameron should just take the night off when Billingsley is pitching.
2007-09-12 20:36:33
246.   Bluebleeder87
Dear Padres,

Thank you for being inpatient in this inning.

sincerely, bluebleeder.

2007-09-12 20:36:37
247.   silverwidow
Terrific inning from Chad!
2007-09-12 20:36:45
248.   old dodger fan
Chad found the strike zone.
2007-09-12 20:37:13
249.   Eric Stephen
242 I suppose I could set up a webcam filming my TV as I watch the Dodger game, but I fear the cost would be prohibitive.
2007-09-12 20:38:06
250.   underdog
A 7 pitch inning? We'll take that, thanks.

Seriously, I would be stunned if Black starts Cameron vs. Bills next time he faces the Pads.

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2007-09-12 20:38:25
251.   Gen3Blue
If Andrews bursting into song, things are good.

By the way he had me nuerotic because I was sure I couldn't get the order of vowels right it Tony A's name, but I noticed they match the pronounciation--Abreu---yes?

2007-09-12 20:38:37
252.   Bob Timmermann
Arizona has the worst team OBP in the majors at .316. The Padres are 28th at .321.

The White Sox were in between them starting today, which is pretty sad considering that they get to use a DH.

2007-09-12 20:38:50
253.   Eric Enders
There is a site based in China which illegally webcasts every NFL game for free via streaming video. If there's an MLB equivalent I haven't heard about it, though.
2007-09-12 20:39:25
254.   underdog
245 Yah, like I 176 ed. ;-) I'm fine with it though. Wish Greene would take the night off instead.
2007-09-12 20:40:26
255.   Eric Stephen
244 Quick and dirty:

Padre OBP: .321
LgOBP (adjusted for Petco): .332
Padre OBP+ (100 being average): 97

Dodger OBP: .336
LgOBP: .344
Dodger OBP+: 98

2007-09-12 20:40:38
256.   Bob Timmermann
I can give you implied oral consent to reduplicate the pictures and accounts of this game.
2007-09-12 20:40:50
257.   eusmus
253 That sounds a little extreme. Just use a public proxy.
2007-09-12 20:41:33
258.   underdog
So does that mean OBP doesn't mean as much as we think it does? Or that the Dodgers just don't have a strong enough good luck charm.
2007-09-12 20:41:55
259.   fanerman
Slappy with an extra base hit?
2007-09-12 20:42:16
260.   underdog
Wait, what just happened? Gameday says Pierre doubled on a sharp ground ball to Khalil Greene?
2007-09-12 20:42:21
261.   King of the Hobos
244 Dodgers get on base more often (.336 vs .321), but the Padres have more power. But it's pretty much the pitching that explains the difference in records.
2007-09-12 20:42:49
262.   Bob Timmermann
Susan Sarandon is in "Mr. Woodcock"?
2007-09-12 20:45:01
263.   trainwreck
I swear a TIVO bar just popped up on Gameday.
2007-09-12 20:45:07
264.   Bob Timmermann
Gameday lists whomever fielded the ball. Pierre hit a ball down the LF line and it bounced off the low fence and Greene chased it down.
2007-09-12 20:45:30
265.   sydneydodger
The difference is less that I expected given that they have about 4 guys batting under .250 and only one over .280
2007-09-12 20:46:01
266.   hernari
I saw that too! The scary thing is the whole bar was filled with green...
2007-09-12 20:46:09
267.   Eric Stephen
In their 50 seasons in LA, the Dodgers have had only one season in which two players hit .320 (with at least 200 PA). Wally Moon hit .328 and Ron Fairly hit .322 in 1961 in the Coliseum.

Kemp, .336
Loney, .321

2007-09-12 20:46:15
268.   Frip
Susan is pretty and all, but I couldn't live with her. I'd feel no matter what I did she'd find a way to scold me about it.
2007-09-12 20:46:34
269.   King of the Hobos
257 Or he could do what I did, namely nothing. MLB all of sudden decided my zip code was no longer in the Dodgers' blackout territory about 2-3 weeks ago, although all surrounding zip codes remain blocked.
2007-09-12 20:46:48
270.   KG16
249 - unless you're on a ship in international waters with implied oral consent, as a lawyer, I'd caution against that.
2007-09-12 20:48:34
271.   underdog
263 Did you give it a thumb's up?


Curse that Spiccoli! I think Abreu should start shading him over another foot from now on.

2007-09-12 20:49:22
272.   old dodger fan
270 Or in China
2007-09-12 20:50:12
273.   KG16
272 - if you're in China, you probably don't even need implied oral consent.
2007-09-12 20:51:30
274.   Gen3Blue
Is Mr Woodcock in..

How come we can't get this Kouzmanoff us?

2007-09-12 20:52:45
275.   Bluebleeder87
That was a STRIKE come on blue!!
2007-09-12 20:53:05
276.   Gen3Blue
Good eye my eye. That was good luck.
2007-09-12 20:54:09
277.   hernari
I think that was Vin being diplomatic
2007-09-12 20:54:36
278.   KG16
Kent shows off his range
2007-09-12 20:54:41
279.   Eric Stephen
Chad lowers his ERA to 3.14. Nice job, kid.
2007-09-12 20:54:47
280.   hernari
277 Oops, was commenting to 276 not myself
2007-09-12 20:54:54
281.   Bluebleeder87
the 2nd strike to Barrett was absolutely SICK/unhittable, I swear Billz is the man!
2007-09-12 20:55:02
282.   Frip
He doesn't so much look like Spiccoli as a fishing lure.
2007-09-12 20:55:09
283.   silverwidow
What a horrible ump. Totally squeezing Chad all night.
2007-09-12 20:55:14
284.   old dodger fan
Billingsley looks tired.
2007-09-12 20:56:27
285.   overkill94
Wasn't the easiest Billingsley outing to watch, but the Padres didn't make much solid contact against him and he was able to bear down when needed.
2007-09-12 20:57:23
286.   KG16
285 - the way Vin is talking, Bills is going another inning.
2007-09-12 20:57:38
287.   overkill94
Does Grady have that little trust in the bullpen that he's going to let Bills pitch another one?
2007-09-12 20:57:38
288.   Gen3Blue
277 But you are exactly right.

Now is the time the offense could really make a diff. Led by Kent!

2007-09-12 20:57:42
289.   eusmus
Huh? 109 pitches is enough, take him out Grady.
2007-09-12 20:57:54
290.   Bluebleeder87
uh oh, It looks like another Grady Little weird inning (leaving Bills in for another inning) but Kent makes it all better with the dinger.
2007-09-12 20:58:04
291.   Eric Stephen
We now have a 20-homer hitter!

We could have another one in a couple weeks if Loney stays hot!

2007-09-12 20:58:05
292.   Gen3Blue
Thank you.
2007-09-12 20:58:07
293.   KG16
So, this is what it's like to have a team that hits home runs? Huh. I think I could get use to it.
2007-09-12 20:58:08
294.   StolenMonkey86
286 - I hope not. He's thrown 109 pitches already.
2007-09-12 20:58:11
295.   trainwreck
20 dingers for Kent.
2007-09-12 20:58:14
296.   Jon Weisman
Did you hear the sonic boom? The 20 barrier!
2007-09-12 20:58:42
297.   xaphor
I saw this link fall off the back of a truck.

Kent approves!

2007-09-12 20:58:49
298.   Bob Timmermann
Yellow alert! Yellow alert!
2007-09-12 20:58:50
299.   silverwidow
Loney just ROCKS.
2007-09-12 20:58:58
300.   KG16
Cue Bob...
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2007-09-12 20:59:05
301.   Eric Stephen
Orange Alert for Loney?
2007-09-12 20:59:39
302.   KG16
298/300, d'oh 9 seconds too late
2007-09-12 21:00:03
303.   Bob Timmermann
DBacks score four to break it open in San Francisco 7-2.
2007-09-12 21:00:05
304.   Daniel Zappala
Does anyone know what's up with FJM?
2007-09-12 21:01:05
305.   Eric Stephen
I need to review my Lil' Griddle color chart.
2007-09-12 21:01:50
306.   old dodger fan
Chad is within 7 pitches of his highest pitch count and he looked tired. I hope Grady doesn't try to squeeze one more inning out of him. No shortage of pitchers in the pen.
2007-09-12 21:02:04
307.   underdog
So it's yellow if you need a triple? I've had this all wrong.

I'm just relieved the Dodgers have eliminated the possible shame of not breaking the twenty barrier. Maybe Loney will do it too!

2007-09-12 21:02:45
308.   Gen3Blue
Seeing Loney's hot streak, which can't last forever, I have to wonder if LaRoche is hurt. If you just left him in, once he settled down he would have a streak also, and Kemp should also play every day. Whats up with this.
2007-09-12 21:02:59
309.   Sam DC
On-field delay?
2007-09-12 21:03:10
310.   GMac In The 909
Crazy Legs!
2007-09-12 21:03:48
311.   King of the Hobos
304 For some reason I cannot access it any longer as, but seems to work
2007-09-12 21:04:28
312.   KG16
309 - double switch
2007-09-12 21:04:35
313.   King of the Hobos
308 His back is preventing him from fielding. He's available to PH.
2007-09-12 21:04:55
314.   Jon Weisman
Let the record show that Ethier is a hustler.
2007-09-12 21:05:24
315.   KG16
hustle double for Ethier
2007-09-12 21:05:28
316.   Daniel Zappala
311 Thank you!

So does Martin's baserunning come under a rookie mistake or does he qualify as a grizzled veteran who is easily forgiven?

2007-09-12 21:05:29
317.   Jon Weisman
308 - There's a whole post about it up top.
2007-09-12 21:05:38
318.   Eric Stephen
Loney has overtaken Kemp for the OPS lead (min 200 PA):

Loney .897
Kemp .896
Kent .875
Martin .853
Ethier .802

2007-09-12 21:05:56
319.   Gen3Blue
Hu would I put in.
2007-09-12 21:06:24
320.   Bluebleeder87
I hope Grady doesn't try to squeeze one more inning out of him. No shortage of pitchers in the pen.

& we also have a very nice lead, but it looks like the Tomato is coming in to hit for him, good call.

2007-09-12 21:07:17
321.   dzzrtRatt
Just got back from my first visit to Oriole Park/Camden Yards. Great park -- the original of its type, a modern architectural classic. Small crowd, but good-humored despite the miseries of this season. Angels score five in the first inning, five in the eighth, and eight more at various points. Gosh, the Angels like to score runs. It's almost gauche.

I didn't realize they still play "Thank God I'm a Country Boy" between innings in any major league park. Not to mention "Church of the Poison Mind" (to celebrate the year 1983, last Orioles WC.)

Oh, and I got to see Danys Baez. The fans loathe him. This little kid behind me with a cute Southern accent says, disgustedly, "What's Danys Baez doing in there?" They brought him in to mop up, and he even sucked at that, walking in run #15, and giving up runs #17 and #18 by allowing Brandon Wood's first major league home run.

Nice to come back to the hotel to a so-far-so-good game from the D's. Loney's approaching unconscious. When Little absolutely, positively has to win, he plays Loney, Kemp and Ethier in the same lineup.

2007-09-12 21:08:37
322.   NorCal-Dodger
320 Grady pulled Bills for a Ph, becasue Bills has pitched too good of a game to lose.
2007-09-12 21:08:52
323.   KG16
What's the record for the Bums when Ethier, Loney, and Kemp all start?
2007-09-12 21:10:34
324.   old dodger fan
321 It's a great place for baseball but was better when Cal Jr played.
You're up late.
2007-09-12 21:10:45
325.   Eric Enders
Taiwanese Dodger players, 2007: 8 AB, 2 HR, 1.250 OPS
Juan Pierre, 2007: 598 AB, 0 HR, .674 OPS
2007-09-12 21:12:22
326.   Eric Stephen
323 9-8
2007-09-12 21:12:25
327.   King of the Hobos
325 Speaking of Taiwanese players, Kuo has been shut down for the year.
2007-09-12 21:13:34
328.   Eric Stephen
325 Awesome bat flips:

Taiwanese contingent: 1
Pierre: 0

2007-09-12 21:14:10
329.   silverwidow
Proctor has some pretty bad control
2007-09-12 21:14:15
330.   eusmus
Bad Proctor! NO!
2007-09-12 21:16:31
331.   Eric Enders
323 It's 9-9.
2007-09-12 21:19:35
332.   Andrew Shimmin
It looks like Chin-Feng Chen is the 2007 batting average leader and home run king of the Chinese Professional Baseball League. He's not on the RBI list, so a triple crown might be too much to hope for.

2007-09-12 21:19:36
333.   Frip
RE: Martin's bean ball, why are there no apologees in baseball?
2007-09-12 21:20:23
334.   old dodger fan
Cameron swings at ball 4.
2007-09-12 21:20:47
335.   Daniel Zappala
Hey, the Angels scored 18 runs using 17 different players. Only Howie Kendrick played the entire game in the field.
2007-09-12 21:21:05
336.   Eric Enders
I share Nathan Brittles' philosophy regarding apologies.
2007-09-12 21:21:20
337.   old dodger fan
Good move Grady. Proctor is not sharp tonight.
2007-09-12 21:22:14
338.   old dodger fan
333 Vinny called him "Glum Blum" after taking that throw in the ribs.
2007-09-12 21:22:16
339.   oswald
proctor hasn't been sharp at all lately.
2007-09-12 21:23:16
340.   Daniel Zappala
321 Hope you enjoyed the game. I hope to tour stadiums one of these years.
2007-09-12 21:24:19
341.   Eric Enders
Beimel just got the easiest "Hold" of any pitcher this year there. Five run lead, he makes one pitch.
2007-09-12 21:24:33
342.   Gen3Blue
322 That could be nasty, I just can't say.
2007-09-12 21:24:51
343.   Frip
What does Nathan Brittle say about apologies then?
2007-09-12 21:25:25
344.   old dodger fan
340 If you do it maybe you could find out where all the DTers who don't live in California are and see a game with some of us.
2007-09-12 21:25:29
345.   Bluebleeder87

I've been hit like that, It's gonna leave a nice baseball in print/Russell Martin signature if you will, on his rib, I'd be honored if I were the Pads runner.

2007-09-12 21:26:04
346.   Eric Enders
343 "Never apologize. It's a sign of weakness."
2007-09-12 21:27:21
347.   dzzrtRatt
335 Also, don't miss Dave Trembley's Earl Weaver impression. For the Oriole fans that was the highlight. He was hilarious. The video is on

Little, taking his game tactics straight from DT tonight, and look how well it's working out for him!

2007-09-12 21:28:23
348.   Gen3Blue
Can you imagine a team that played Loney,Kemp,Ethier, Martin, Laroche, and Hu every game. I guess Laroche is still hurting now, but it would cost nothing and be incredible.
2007-09-12 21:28:23
349.   LeeLacy
341 He deserves it after taking the unluckiest loss in recent memory on Sunday.
2007-09-12 21:31:27
350.   Frip
346 I just don't get the whole deal with hitting a guy with a ball and not saying you're sorry.
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2007-09-12 21:31:39
351.   oswald
348 that's why i don't really worry about the money ned spent for 2008 and 2009. but his track record of throwing around money gets worrisome in 2010 and 2011 in that it could prevent the team from keeping the kids.
2007-09-12 21:32:37
352.   dzzrtRatt
340 Me too. This is a rare business trip where I had a night off, the team was in town, and tickets were plentiful. This doesn't ever seem to happen when I go to New York, Boston or Minneapolis.
2007-09-12 21:33:53
353.   underdog
Finally we get Cosmonaut out!
2007-09-12 21:33:56
354.   Bluebleeder87
Broxton made Greene look like a little leaguer there, man! it kind of reminded me of how Nomar looked yesterday against the Peavest'er
2007-09-12 21:35:04
355.   Eric Stephen
10 straight PAs for Kooz reaching base (8 hits and a 2 walks).
2007-09-12 21:35:25
356.   oswald
does laroche strike anyone else as way too young to back pain that prevents him from bending over? isn't that a big red flag?
2007-09-12 21:35:40
357.   underdog
Er, I meant Greene, either that or I guess I thought I could peek through the fabric of time and then saw things incorrectly.
2007-09-12 21:35:42
358.   Eric Enders
Broxton's slider is fooling nobody lately. He threw 8 consecutive fastballs and then gave up a hit on his first slider.
2007-09-12 21:35:44
359.   Gen3Blue
351 I think an owner, even our present owner, has time to get the picture by 2009. I mean thats almost 3 years to get one basic priciple. I'm sure I could do that.
2007-09-12 21:35:51
360.   King of the Hobos
Is this really a time you bother using Broxton? I wouldn't have minded seeing Meloan, maybe in the 9th?
2007-09-12 21:35:52
361.   regfairfield
At this rate, Kouzmanoff might finish with a decent season.
2007-09-12 21:35:54
362.   Frip
354 Isn't there some DT rule against giving cute nicknames to guys who just slaughtered us.
2007-09-12 21:35:57
363.   Bob Timmermann
29 pitchers this year have gotten a hold by throwing just one pitch. The list of ptichers who have done it can be kindly described as motley.

Six pitchers have gotten a save with just one pitch this season:

There have been nine one pitch wins this year:

And the toughest of all, the one pitch loss:

2007-09-12 21:37:21
364.   Eric Enders
363 Yes, but how many have done it with a five-run lead?
2007-09-12 21:37:26
365.   dzzrtRatt
"Chronic back pain" brings back frustrated memories of Mike Marshall.
2007-09-12 21:38:39
366.   Daniel Zappala
352 I once took a trip to Boston and a week ahead of time managed to get a single ticket through a ticket agency. It was worth the (surprisingly reasonable) price and one of my fondest memories.
2007-09-12 21:38:40
367.   underdog
360 Hey, it's not Hernandez, that's all I care about.

356 If not a red flag, then at least a yellow one. It's definitely not a checkered flag.

Send LaRoche to an acupuncturist.

2007-09-12 21:39:53
368.   Eric Stephen
362 I didn't give Kouzmanoff the nickname "Kooz"; many people call him that. Would you prefer "The Crushin' Russian"? :)

355 I looked at the game logs and I think the Kouzmanoff streak is only at 9 PAs.

2007-09-12 21:40:07
369.   StolenMonkey86
363 - my favorite was Broxton getting the win last year by coming in and inducing a double play on one pitch. One pitch for a 0.2 IP win.
2007-09-12 21:40:23
370.   underdog
Come on Bull, settle down.
2007-09-12 21:40:49
371.   Eric Enders
Broxton owes Myrow an apology.
2007-09-12 21:42:45
372.   Bob Timmermann
If you look on the Griddle, I had a list of pitchers who came in and threw one pitch and got three outs. Not all were triple plays.
2007-09-12 21:43:08
373.   Eric Enders
Broxton owes Myrow an apology.
2007-09-12 21:43:56
374.   underdog
368 I think he meant the "Peavester" reference. ;-)
2007-09-12 21:44:11
375.   Eric Enders
372 You guys are just trying to bait me into bringing up the Tippy Martinez game. Well, it isn't going to work.
2007-09-12 21:44:45
376.   nick
358 you may call me a Yankee fan, but after watching Joba tonight, the Broxton slider looks not so impressive....
2007-09-12 21:45:07
377.   Bob Timmermann
Since 1969 (when the save became an official stat), 15 pitchers have gotten saves on one pitch that produced two outs.

13 GIDPs and 2 LDPs

2007-09-12 21:45:56
378.   Bob Timmermann
OK, Yankee fan!
2007-09-12 21:46:23
379.   nick
...though Broxton, to be fair, is a larger man....
2007-09-12 21:46:52
380.   nick
378 just don't call me Shirley, Bob...
2007-09-12 21:47:49
381.   StolenMonkey86
379 - the Biggest Man Alive, according to Mark Grace
2007-09-12 21:47:53
382.   Eric Enders
Off the top of my head, I can think of at least two Hall of Famers named Shirley.
2007-09-12 21:48:28
383.   underdog
379 Well, also to be fair, I wouldn't judge Broxton's slider on how it's looked the past week. He was pretty filthy in general most of the season but for some reason has struggled a bit the past few appearances.
2007-09-12 21:48:37
384.   Bob Timmermann
Cycle alert canceled.

Stand down.

2007-09-12 21:48:38
385.   Daniel Zappala
Vinny dropping the "interesting" label for Loney and his potential to hit for the cycle. I'm afraid to ask what else "interesting" can be applied to.
2007-09-12 21:48:57
386.   KG16
384 - so, you're saying you don't want to see Loney get another AB?
2007-09-12 21:50:49
387.   Sam in SC
not seanez!?!@?
2007-09-12 21:51:02
388.   StolenMonkey86
372 - found it.

2007-09-12 21:51:03
389.   underdog
Billingsley actually threw a nasty slider a couple of times tonight.

Joba's pretty awesome, btw. So far at least. Wish the Dodgers had nabbed him.

2007-09-12 21:51:22
390.   Eric Enders
Well, it's Grady. So of course we're getting Seanez instead of Meloan.

Odds Saito ends up having to warm up: 2:1 in favor of.

2007-09-12 21:51:31
391.   Bluebleeder87
I don't like this move by Grady I mean you haven't used some of the bullpen for a WEEK! this is the perfect time to use Meloan, instead he brings in Seanez
2007-09-12 21:51:48
392.   Bob Timmermann
All these ads on FSN Prime talking about the Turkey Tussle leave out the fact that Muir High usually wins this game handily every year.

I'm not sure what the oldest Southern Section football rivalry is but Glendale and Hoover have been going at it a while. And those games are REALLY bad.

2007-09-12 21:52:22
393.   underdog
387 You'd prefer Hernandez? And why waste Saito here?

Meloan, now I wouldn't mind seeing him here, though.

But again, as long as it's now Hernandez, I'm okay with it.

2007-09-12 21:52:44
394.   Eric Stephen
Is Martinez a defensive upgrade from Abreu???
2007-09-12 21:53:27
395.   nick
389 he shakes off Posada a lot for a 21-year old kid...still, Brox has him by two inches and ten pounds....
2007-09-12 21:53:29
396.   eusmus
394 At third? yes.
2007-09-12 21:53:48
397.   Eric Enders
394 I don't know. But it's clear that
Abreu 2B
Martinez 3B

is better than
Kent 2B
Abreu 3B

2007-09-12 21:54:12
398.   Bob Timmermann
Martinez is an upgrade if you consider that Abreu is now relieving Kent and Martinez is better than just having all the balls bounce down the LF line without anyone to field them.
2007-09-12 21:54:24
399.   King of the Hobos
394 Abreu is upgrading 2nd. I'm not sure why Martinez can't just upgrade 2nd himself, but it's not particularly important.
2007-09-12 21:54:25
400.   Gen3Blue
Seanez ; We will see if we have to change modes here, and if we can do it in time.

Seanus ; reminds me of a juvenile joke I once heard.

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2007-09-12 21:54:54
401.   Gen3Blue
Seanez ; We will see if we have to change modes here, and if we can do it in time.

Seanus ; reminds me of a juvenile joke I once heard.

2007-09-12 21:55:02
402.   Eric Enders
Martinez made the play, but did not strengthen his case for being better than Abreu.
2007-09-12 21:55:08
403.   Bob Timmermann
Dbacks lead 9-4 going to the bottom of the 9th.
2007-09-12 21:56:01
404.   Eric Stephen
397 ,398 My bad. I didn't check the Yahoo boxscore, and the Padres' telecast only showed Martinez at 3B. I was unaware Abreu shifted to 3B. Thanks.
2007-09-12 21:56:13
405.   Bob Timmermann
Cameron trying to match Clay Hensley as the only Padre to strike out five times in a 9-inning game.
2007-09-12 21:56:30
406.   Gen3Blue
I hope we can adapt quickly enough.
2007-09-12 21:57:18
407.   Eric Stephen
The Platinum Sombrero!
2007-09-12 21:57:23
408.   underdog
393 "Not," not "now," now.

395 Well when the Dodgers play the DBacks next and Broxton's in, you should definitely watch the DBacks telecast to hear Mark Grace's awe-struck, mancrushing about Broxton.

2007-09-12 21:57:28
409.   Bob Timmermann
But I don't think Cameron will go and ask Hensley for sympathy.
2007-09-12 21:57:42
410.   Bluebleeder87
poor Hendy, how long has it been sense he's pitched? I think he pitched in the Cubbie series but I'm not sure.
2007-09-12 21:58:29
411.   oswald
striking out five times in one night? i thought only d4p could do that! SCHNAP!
2007-09-12 21:58:38
412.   Bob Timmermann
If you count extra inning games, Andujar Cedeno and Jack Clark also had KKKKK games for the Padres.
2007-09-12 21:58:47
413.   nick
Vin manages to enjoy the 5 Ks without seeming to gloat...I always enjoy his philosophical mode...
2007-09-12 21:58:50
414.   underdog
5 Ks for Cameron? Holy cow.

That's a tough night.

"Feast or famine hitter," indeed, Vinnie.

2007-09-12 22:00:12
415.   Jon Weisman
Five to go to 81! Next thread, please.
2007-09-12 22:00:51
416.   Eric Stephen
410 I bet he pitches tomorrow. I wonder how much pixie dust David Wells has left.
2007-09-12 22:01:04
417.   oswald
tomorrow night is another must win
2007-09-12 22:01:17
418.   Bluebleeder87
Well it's nice that we returned the favor tonight, but tomorrow going against Maddux will be tuff.
2007-09-12 22:01:25
419.   LeeLacy
410 He pitched a week ago in the Dodgers' 8-2 loss to the Cubs. He yielded 2 hits and 2 earned runs without recording an out.
2007-09-12 22:01:32
420.   underdog
Is Greg around? I don't think he is. So...

We win!

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