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LaRoche, Lowe, DeJesus All Healing
2007-09-12 18:59
by Jon Weisman

Derek Lowe will pitch no sooner than Saturday, according to The Associated Press. But there is doubt as to whether he could make the start, leaving open the possibility of the return of Eric Stults or some other audible.

And finally, an answer on Andy LaRoche - and new news of an injury to a minor leaguer - from Tony Jackson of the Daily News:

LaRoche is limited to pinch hitting because his chronic back problem has become an issue again. LaRoche is unable to bend over to field ground balls and thus hasn't appeared in a game in a week.

"It's not serious," (Dodger manager Grady) Little said. "He seems to be OK swinging a bat, but fielding ground balls is a little bit of a bother right now, so it will probably be a couple of days before he is available (defensively)."

Meanwhile, shortstop prospect Ivan DeJesus Jr. was at Dodger Stadium for a visit with friend and fellow Puerto Rican Ramon Martinez, but DeJesus had a bandage on his left wrist. He underwent surgery last week to repair torn ligaments he suffered when his hand collided with a sliding baserunner's helmet late in the season at Single-A Inland Empire.

"I was going to go to (the Arizona Fall League), but now I'm just going to rest and let this heal," DeJesus said. "I want to be 100 percent and ready for spring training."

DeJesus, 20, was the Dodgers' second-round pick in the 2005 amateur draft. He had a solid year with the 66ers, batting .287 with 22 doubles, 52 RBI and a .371 on-base percentage, and could be in line for an invitation to big-league camp next spring.

Comments (350)
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2007-09-12 22:01:47
1.   Eric Stephen
Oooh, comments are open? I'm as happy as a little girl!
2007-09-12 22:02:24
2.   underdog
We win!
Night all.
2007-09-12 22:04:04
3.   silverwidow
Loney gives pretty dry interviews. He rules nonetheless.
2007-09-12 22:05:17
4.   Eric Enders
3 It's hard to be interesting when the questions you're being asked are that stupid.
2007-09-12 22:05:48
5.   Eric Enders
Mike Cameron tonight became the first player ever with both a 4 HR game and a 5 K game in his career.
2007-09-12 22:05:59
6.   dzzrtRatt
Jon is like Moses, changing the course of mighty rivers from one comment thread to another!

Okay, it's 1:05 a.m., baseball is done for the night, and so am I.

2007-09-12 22:06:42
7.   Bob Timmermann
Jon is trying to make LATing a thing of the past. One day we will look back at it as something strange and removed to us, like smallpox, unsliced bread, and the 2007 NL Central pennant race.
2007-09-12 22:06:46
8.   Bluebleeder87
Hopefully David Wells can muster up another great outing, with Maddux going for the Pads we're gonna need it.
2007-09-12 22:07:37
2 I disagree.

"Can we now call you Big Game James?"
- too much gel and spanish accent announcer dude
"You can call me whatever you want."
- James Loney, being too cool for school

I like that our young guys are arrogant.

2007-09-12 22:07:52
10.   Eric Enders
I missed the first four innings tonight because I was busy finishing 40th in a 50-player poker tournament. Billingsley looked sharp in his last couple of innings, but I take it earlier in the game he was more like the Tony Jackson version?
2007-09-12 22:10:20
11.   Bluebleeder87
you gotta give him credit, I really thought he was good for 2 MAYBE 3 good starts but it looks like he's got plenty in the tank (no pun) of course now I've jinxed him.
2007-09-12 22:13:12
12.   Reddog
Right now there's an exact 3-way tie between the Dodgers, Phillies and Rockies
2 1/2 games behind SD for the wildcard.

What would happen if the season ends with a 3-way or god forbid a 4-way tie for the wildcard? I wonder if they've even accounted for the possibility.

2007-09-12 22:13:48
13.   King of the Hobos
6 I'm pretty sure Oakland/Seattle disagree that baseball is done for the night.
2007-09-12 22:25:04
14.   dzzrtRatt
I kind of like it when a LAT'ing occurs. It's like a couple of people talking while they're cleaning up after a party. Or someone talking to themselves, which is not unhealthy.

13 Two teams playing out the string doesn't count. I don't play fantasy leagues, so whether Nick Swisher goes 1 for 4 isn't my concern.

2007-09-12 22:27:36
15.   King of the Hobos
14 Seattle still has a .53643% chance at the playoffs!
2007-09-12 22:27:44
16.   Bob Timmermann
3-way and 4-way ties each take two days to play off.

In 1973, the NL was ready for a 5-way tie in the East. That would have taken three days.

2007-09-12 22:28:24
17.   Bob Timmermann
I can't put up my Griddle post until the last game is over.
2007-09-12 22:28:39
18.   Xeifrank
12. I believe the tie-breaker for a four way tie is movie trivia. I believe the Dodgers would then add a few DT members to the 40 man roster for a quick call up to the bigs.
vr, Xei
2007-09-12 22:38:17
19.   dzzrtRatt
17 Even if Seattle really isn't a factor anymore? I think I just read in 15 that they are 99.4 percent likely to be playing out the string.

You're just too hard on yourself.

2007-09-12 22:39:06
20.   Bob Timmermann
I'm dedicated to my craft.
2007-09-12 22:48:37
21.   Who Is Karim Garcia
I had the oppurtunity to talk to and sit with Ken Landreaux for about 3 innings today.

Nice guy. I asked him which player he thought the most of and he said it was Matt Kemp. He added that he would be a 40/100 guy easy.

He also added that he loves Delwyn Young and worked with him extensively in Vero, but feels that he might not find a position.

Good game for the boys in blue! Even sat two rows in front of a DT'er!!!

2007-09-12 22:50:55
22.   underdog
Very cool, WhoKarim!

I'm not surprised about the Landreaux-Young connection.

2007-09-12 23:12:43
23.   trainwreck
I thought you would like this quote from Shanahan on Jamarcus.

"I personally think they should start him this week," Shanahan told the Bay Area media by conference call Wednesday. "If they're paying him that kind of money they should throw him into the fire and put him in against the Broncos."

2007-09-12 23:44:32
24.   underdog
23 Nice one, Shanny. Or nice try, anyway. ;-) The Raiders aren't that dumb. Maybe next time!
2007-09-13 00:33:59
25.   Greg Brock
LAT, you need to check your gmail.
2007-09-13 00:45:42
26.   dsfan
Sorry if this was posted earlier from the San Diego paper...but here is an excerpt:

"Padres pitcher Chris Young has insights into highly touted pitching prospect Clayton Kershaw, a 19-year-old left-hander who reached Double-A with the Dodgers this summer. Young and Kershaw attended the same high school in Dallas, and this past offseason they played catch regularly with one another.

"You learn more from playing catch with somebody than you do from watching him pitch from the side," Young said. "His arm is literally electric."

Young has played catch regularly with major leaguer pitchers, but he said of Kershaw: "I have never played catch with anybody whose arm is as fast and flowing as his. That's amazing. I wish he was in our organization. I think we'll see him next year."

2007-09-13 04:53:13
27.   D4P
After the Padre series, the Dodgers play only 3 teams the rest away, against whom they have winning records.

vs. AZ: 7-5
vs. CO: 6-5
vs. SF: 8-7

2007-09-13 06:29:59
28.   Sam DC
That literally was posted before. :)

Here's Boswell and how the Angels have declared war on the statheads. And won!

Let's just say it's not a very restrained piece of writing.

2007-09-13 07:07:53
29.   D4P
That brings us to the Los Angeles Angels, a team that doesn't hit home runs, doesn't draw walks, doesn't successfully steal bases and doesn't show patience at the plate, all cardinal sins in the stat-geek world. However, the Halos do score tons of runs and have the second-best record in the sport

The Angels are 5th in runs, and 5th in OBP.

Advantage: Stat-geeks

2007-09-13 07:26:18
30.   D4P
I keep trying to leave a comment on that article and it keeps not letting me.
2007-09-13 07:29:52
31.   D4P
Anyway, here's the comment I tried to post:

Q: What do "stat geeks" say is the most important predictor of scoring runs?
A: Getting on base, which is conveniently measured by the on-base percentage (or "OBP") statistic.

Q: Where do the Angels rank in runs scored in the MLB?
A: 5th

Q: Where do the Angels rank in OBP in the MLB?
A: 5th

Q: If they're 5th in runs and 5th in OBP, is it really so mysterious why they're scoring runs?
A: No

Q: Does their run scoring prove stat geeks wrong?
A: No. In fact, their run scoring is predictable, given the relationship between scoring runs and getting on base that is so often touted by stat geeks.

2007-09-13 07:50:31
32.   ToyCannon
But wouldn't a stat geek say that the Angel high OBP is based on overly inflated batting averages due to luck? They currently have the 2nd highest BA, but rank 9th in base on balls. The high BA is fueled by Figgins(52 points above normal) and Cabrera(32 points above normal) who are having career seasons in batting average.
BP has pointed out several times the Angel offense is very batting average orientated. In a season in which they get lucky they will score runs, when the batting averages normalize, they strugglen to score runs. It does seem to me that the team does fly into the face of how BP would construct a team.
2007-09-13 07:57:49
33.   D4P
But wouldn't a stat geek say that the Angel high OBP is based on overly inflated batting averages due to luck?

That's a separate issue. Their BA is what it is, regardless of luck. It still contributes to OBP, which in turn contributes to runs. Nothing about their season thus far appears to contradict your statement:

In a season in which they get lucky they will score runs, when the batting averages normalize, they strugglen to score runs

2007-09-13 08:12:16
34.   D4P
Looking at 2007 data thus far, OBP explains 78% of the variation in Runs/Game, which means that all other factors (SLG, SBs, clutchness, grit, scrap, hustle, magic, etc.) combine to explain 22%.

Course, it should be noted that some of those other factors may contribute to OBP. But if they do, then they're means, not ends, and they're reflected in stats.

2007-09-13 08:25:20
35.   FirstMohican
"You can't think about what's ahead of you. You've got to think about what's in front of you."

-Russel Martin, channeling a certain Hall of Fame catcher.

2007-09-13 08:26:46
36.   FirstMohican
2007-09-13 08:33:48
37.   LogikReader

Aside from the points all of you guys made already, he didn't even get all his facts straight.

"On what other team does [Garret Anderson,] a man with 1,205 career RBI, 10 of them in one game last month at Yankee Stadium, know how many times his teammates have gone first to third?"

Yankee Stadium? The 10 RBI game was played at Angel Stadium.

2007-09-13 08:36:59
38.   LogikReader
Hey, all right! James Loney made the front page of Yahoo Fantasy Sports.

2007-09-13 08:39:44
39.   still bevens
38 8% owned. Hah. I'm sure 90% are Dodger fans.
2007-09-13 08:40:28
40.   FirstMohican
37 - "The 10 RBI game was played at Angel Stadium."

He should resign.

2007-09-13 08:41:57
41.   FirstMohican
39 - Germano was 100% owned last night. OHH!
2007-09-13 08:57:05
42.   ToyCannon
In 76 at bats James Loney now has a Sept split of:



2007-09-13 08:57:45
43.   ToyCannon
He needs to walk more:)
2007-09-13 09:11:07
44.   Penarol1916
32. And wouldn't that be born out by history? Last year, the Angels were in the bottom half of the league in runs scored when their luck was not as good. This year, their luck was better, and thus they scored more runs.
2007-09-13 09:13:16
45.   D4P
Kemp too. In all seriousness, their respective low walk rates and high BABIPs don't really bode well, do they?
2007-09-13 09:14:39
46.   dzzrtRatt
29 I realize this was only against Boswell's beloved Baltimore Orioles, but the Angels scored 18 runs by getting something like 30 men on base, nearly half of them by base on balls.
2007-09-13 09:15:24
47.   D4P
2006 Angels:
18th in runs
18th in OBP

2007 Angels:
5th in runs
5th in OBP

2007-09-13 09:15:59
48.   Daniel Zappala
45 Maybe they'll be just as good as those pesky Angels.
2007-09-13 09:25:29
49.   D4P
For some reason, BP has yet to update their postseason probabilities.
2007-09-13 09:25:53
50.   old dodger fan
2007 Dodgers (NL Only):
10th in runs
11th in OPS
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2007-09-13 09:26:54
51.   LogikReader
Just trying to get on the same page: Is the implication that the only difference between the 2006 Angels and the 2007 Angels a little better luck?

-- It's not the strategy, it's been the same since 2002
-- It's not the new Offensive players, many of them are the same, save Gary Matthews Jr, but I don't think he made that kind of an impact
-- Could it be the pitching?

2007-09-13 09:27:58
52.   dzzrtRatt
I love Boswell's list of "pesky" Angels at the end of the story. Figgins, Izturis and Willits might be "scrappy," but Kotchman, Napoli and Kendrick are merely young and unfamiliar to an East Coast-centric writer. If you've never heard of a player, then of course by definition he's doing what he shouldn't be doing.

The Dodgers will face that kind of non-scrutiny followed by strange new respect in the next couple of years.

2007-09-13 09:32:34
53.   Kevin Lewis
So, I thought it was a typo on the broadcast, but it looks like the Saturday night game I have tickets for has been moved to a 12:55pm start because FOX picked up the game. That is really annoying.
2007-09-13 09:34:53
54.   bhsportsguy
I think it was Joe Sheehan (BP version) who pointed out that the Angels have to hit a high batting average to counter their lack of patience (21st in the league in walks) and lack of HR power (26th). Because they value agressive base running and stealing, they generally need multiple hits to score runs.

Last year the Angels were 9th in batting and hit 12 points lower than they did this year, thus their OBP was lower. Their walks and HR placement was about the same. This year, their OBP placement is high because as a team they are hitting .286.

So my addition to this discussion would be, on the one hand, the analysis of the Angels is very easy, hits and more hits, when they do that, they are successful, when they don't, they are not going to win because they don't get guys on base by walks or hit a lot of homers when they are not hitting as a team.

2007-09-13 09:37:22
55.   Penarol1916
51. I'd say you could probably add growth from younger players to the list along with luck and Gary Mathews has been pretty decent, although I don't know how much that has to do with luck. Pitching has nothing to do with going from 18th in runs scored and OBP to 5th.
2007-09-13 09:37:36
56.   Daniel Zappala
51 Kotchman, Kendrick, Willits doing very well (thought Willits has tailed off lately), Figgins having a career year, Mathis and Morales having nice Septembers, Anderson playing well after being hurt for a while. Escobar has really stepped it up this year, solid starting pitching all around, above average bullpen.

Basically, good hitting (due to luck or whatever) up and down the order, with strong pitching.

2007-09-13 09:39:41
57.   fanerman
45 Like Obi-Wan says, they "will learn patience."

At least one hopes.

2007-09-13 09:40:17
58.   Frip
3 silverwidow
"Loney gives pretty dry interviews. He rules nonetheless."

Player interviews should be phased out. There's really no point, unless something special happened.

Besides being a waste of everyone's time, player interviews HURT. A cliche repeated since 1926 inflicts actual physical pain upon the ear drum.

These interviews stink because

1. Most athletes are mentally / verbally boring.

2. There simply isn't much of interest to say about a game, play, or performance that everyone just saw with their own eyes. What happened, happened, and that's that.

3. Alot of us would clam-up too if we were asked to spontaneosly broadcast our thoughts to millions of people.

4. Boring questions call forth boring answers. I mean, how can you sparkle responding to questions like:

"That home run had to feel pretty good."

"What do the Dodgers need to do to keep the momentum going"?

"What's the mood in the clubhouse?"

I'd rather hear what their favorite cake is.

2007-09-13 09:44:24
59.   D4P
Because they value agressive base running and stealing, they generally need multiple hits to score runs

I looked at this the other day with respect to the Dodgers (but didn't report my findings)


Angels = 1.88 (10th in MLB)
Dodgers = 2.08 (29th in MLB)

2007-09-13 09:45:09
60.   njr
21 Good to see you WIKG!

I knew I recognized the guy who came and sat down with you!

My mom (queen lurker) has been wearing her Dodgerthoughts tshirt for months hoping to run into someone else from the site. You made her very happy.

It was such a treat watching the kids play last night. It makes it seem all the more absurd that they've spent so much time on the bench this year.

These Dodgers are gonna win just enough to keep me from giving up. Ugh.

2007-09-13 09:45:36
61.   Jon Weisman
58 - "I'd rather hear what their favorite cake is."

That reminds me of this thread:

2007-09-13 09:47:09
62.   fanerman
58 If I were a player, I'd make an effort to use every cliche imaginable for every interview. I'd have a cheat sheet for ready-made answers that I'd blatantly read from anytime an interviewer asked me a question. I'd also try to read in the most Eeyore-like voice I could do, even after an exciting win.
2007-09-13 09:50:24
63.   Kevin Lewis

Greg Oden always reminds me of Eeyore when he gives interviews. He looks melancholy and about 45 years old.

2007-09-13 09:57:24
64.   bhsportsguy
59 All I am saying is that if we are going to be talking about stat analysis, the Angels' success relies on the one stat that from what I have read, baseball analysts say is the least valued, batting average, because of how much luck factors into it.

It makes sense that the Dodgers would have a higher average since they are 9th in MLB in hits and 21st in runs.

Now, if I was scrutinize the Dodgers, their lack of power plus having an empty hole at 3B for most of the year did not help their offense this year.

2007-09-13 09:58:28
65.   jasonungar07
I mean, how can you sparkle responding to questions like:

"That home run had to feel pretty good."

Yup, in fact I would probably have about 10 more if I was just allowed to play with the big club since April. It feels good because you know the press was saying I was pouting about how and the heck they can sign Nomar to play first base when I was good and ready. I am a better fielder too.

"What do the Dodgers need to do to keep the momentum going"?

We were considering a karoke bar tonight but instead were just gonna get a bunch of strippers and hang out over at Martins pad in Manhattan Beach. We already got the keg of newcastle..Furcal is on his way to pick it up and get the party started, he dosen't really want to talk to you guys right now, so he took it upon himself to deal with the Keg and getting the tap to work. That's always the tricky part.

"What's the mood in the clubhouse?"

Pretty good, but Kent is a downer. He is a nice guy to me and all but sheesh man have some fun. We just won. I mean how often can you read about the brand new Kawasaki 550. And it's weird that some of us guys want to party but then some of the older players think we are silly. Gonzo, Nomar, Kent, Hernandez and other would rather be running daddy day care out of the clubhouse so that's why we have to go to Martin's place.

2007-09-13 10:00:49
66.   Gagne55
"Dodgers = 2.08 (29th in MLB)"

There's somebody worse?!

2007-09-13 10:04:30
67.   dzzrtRatt
I'd rather hear players and managers utter cliches than be forced to endure the likes of Kevin Kennedy and Steve Lyons "analyzing" the game and telling us what the Dodgers "need to do" (usually "take advantage of scoring opportunities" and "make your pitches.")
2007-09-13 10:04:45
68.   Gagne55
"Now, if I was scrutinize the Dodgers, their lack of power plus having an empty hole at 3B for most of the year did not help their offense this year. "

Neither did the team ineptness on the basepaths. Oh so many pickoffs and guys getting killed trying to go first to third.

2007-09-13 10:07:01
69.   dzzrtRatt
is there anything new on logan white?
2007-09-13 10:08:30
70.   fanerman
65 Do you think Loney would refer to his teammates by their last names?
2007-09-13 10:12:59
71.   regfairfield
68 As of about a month ago, the Dodgers were the fourth best base running team in baseball. This is accounting for all aspects of running (first to third, sac flys, productive outs, etc.)
2007-09-13 10:14:40
72.   regfairfield
More detail on that:

In fact, the Dodgers skills on the basepath were how they were generating runs with their legs, since they were a net negative on steals.

2007-09-13 10:16:29
73.   bhsportsguy
69 Potentially good news for those on GM watch, Terry Ryan, longtime Minnesota Twins GM is resigning per, his longtime assistant will be taking over the job.

Now, he could be burned out but if I were Pittsburgh or Houston, I would certainly give him a call.

2007-09-13 10:16:39
74.   D4P
The Nats...!
2007-09-13 10:18:08
75.   jasonungar07
70 no not at all. that's sorta the point.
2007-09-13 10:18:11
76.   KG16
58 - I'm just reminded of the scene in Bull Durham, where Costner teaches the kid all the cliches.

In re the Angels, looking at their 2005 stats (when they won 95 games) as a team they hit .270/.325/.409, while the league went .268/.330/.424. They were also 9th in the AL in OBP yet 5th in runs scored. Say what you will about them, they are fun to watch, if you can put up with Rex Hudler.

63 - he looks 45 because he probably is.

2007-09-13 10:18:32
77.   regfairfield
73 Interesting. I'd be more interested in making him a director of scouting, since he really doesn't seem to understand how runs are scored (Punto, Nick) and he seems to waste the first two months of every season on guys like Sidney Ponson and Tony Batista, but he has a great farm system. Still, a very valuable talent is out there.
2007-09-13 10:18:36
78.   Bob Timmermann
Another GM resigns, but a replacement has already been named:
2007-09-13 10:19:46
79.   regfairfield
74 Speaking of the Nats check out this picture that was actually taken during the Nats/Marlins game yesterday.

2007-09-13 10:20:31
80.   LogikReader

What site did you use to pull up that team data? I couldn't find it on BR or

2007-09-13 10:22:24
81.   Frip
65 Hilarious. What a wonderful world that would be.
2007-09-13 10:25:14
82.   bhsportsguy
80's MLB section has a Stats section that is pretty easy to use and goes back to 2002.
2007-09-13 10:25:42
83.   D4P
Updated Playoff Probabilities:

Wild Card

Rockies: 12.91
Dodgers: 12.89


Dodgers: 5.45
Rockies: 3.74

2007-09-13 10:26:01
84.   bhsportsguy
78 Hah, I beat the Griddle (I even checked to make sure Bob hadn't posted it)
2007-09-13 10:26:56
85.   D4P
That photo is a bit shocking. I have a hard time believing that a new stadium would be a long-term solution.
2007-09-13 10:29:39
86.   fanerman
Why doesn't anybody go to Marlins games?
2007-09-13 10:31:40
87.   Sam DC
Deadspin has a story that a fan was ejected from that game for overly heckling the umpire.

I guess it makes sense you could actually hear him, but it's kind of funny to eject like your only fan from a game.

And then the game went 12 innings!

2007-09-13 10:32:28
88.   KG16
80 - it was on baseball reference, click on team, then the team name, then the league (actually division) for league-wide team by team stats stats each year.
2007-09-13 10:33:19
89.   jasonungar07
yeah I was sorta going with the Nuke Laloosh version of what he would say if he was Loney and hadn't yet heard the cliche speech.
2007-09-13 10:34:54
90.   Bob Timmermann
Some of us actually have to take time to write stuff up and post it and check the spelling.

Any Tom, Dick, or bhsportsguy can just toss something in the comments.

If you can find a higher quality blog, then buy it!

2007-09-13 10:38:46
91.   still bevens
86 Attendance that bad couldn't happen to a nicer owner.
2007-09-13 10:41:43
92.   bhsportsguy
90 Touche'

79 From Red Barber's Wikipedia entry - Late in 1966, a paid attendance of 413 was announced at the 65,000-seat Yankee Stadium. Red Barber asked the TV cameras to pan the empty stands as he commented on the low attendance. Although denied the camera shots on orders from the Yankees' head of media relations, he said, "I don't know what the paid attendance is today, but whatever it is, it is the smallest crowd in the history of Yankee Stadium, and this crowd is the story, not the game."

Red Barber was either fired or did not have his contract renewed when he met with Yankee management the following week.

2007-09-13 10:42:11
93.   ToyCannon
Player interviews are the worse part of any sport. I remember when Bob Gibson hated doing interviews as a player but then got a job as TV analyst and had to ask Jon Candelaria some questions after a no-hitter. He asked the same stupid questions but the pain on his face when he asked the questions was worth watching.
2007-09-13 10:43:32
94.   ToyCannon
43,000 fans on Wednesday Night after 51,000 on Tuesday night. Was this decrease because of Temple or the loss on Tuesday night?
2007-09-13 10:43:41
95.   bhsportsguy
93 So you survived your DT lurker experience, that's good.

Me and Bob T. are in the house tonight.

2007-09-13 10:46:47
96.   ToyCannon
I hear Bob has a database of every possible baseball story including the obituary's which is why he's insanely fast at putting up links when the story breaks.
2007-09-13 10:51:23
97.   ToyCannon
Yes, Nancy and I had fun because it was a good game. We had a good time ogling the bullpen and trying to figure out what kind of dymamics were going on down there. Chris bailed quickly after he realized he didn't have to spend time with us.
Nancy was at DT day so most of you have already met her.

I'll be at the game again. Roy Kim and Daughter will be joining me. Is Bob T sitting with you?

2007-09-13 10:52:27
98.   D4P
I don't think anyone has mentioned the Patriot-Belichick cheating thing yet. I couldn't care less about football these days, but it's nice to see that frumpy sweatshirt-wearing "genius" get caught.

As far as I'm concerned, all Patriot games under Belichick should be forfeiting, including their Super Bowl victory over the Rams.

2007-09-13 10:54:07
99.   Bob Timmermann
I'm already ready for Justin Upton's obituary to be posted sometime around 2080.
2007-09-13 10:56:27
100.   dzzrtRatt
Why does anyone think it's a good idea to invest more money in a product -- Marlins baseball -- the people of Miami clearly don't want?

The Marlins have been an amazing baseball story, but the people of Miami apparently aren't interested in it. To each his own. But I would think you could move that team almost anywhere else and they'd do better.

From my P.O.V., the more west coast teams the better, so I'd root for Portland or Sacramento. But you could put the Marlins in central New Jersey, Indianapolis or North Carolina and do better than they're doing in Miami.

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2007-09-13 10:57:45
101.   Bob Timmermann
Life before Dodger Thoughts:
2007-09-13 10:59:06
102.   ToyCannon
In my dream scenario, Tampa Bay will fail and they will move to San Antonio so when I retire to the hill country there will be a major league baseball team near me.
2007-09-13 11:00:29
103.   ToyCannon
That is what I want to do, except I can't draw or write.
2007-09-13 11:00:47
104.   LogikReader
Wouldn't you want an NL team though?
2007-09-13 11:02:08
105.   Frip
98 Cheaters kinda creep me out, more than they should. Don't know what it is. Liars don't bother me half as much. And thieves much less. Unless they're all doing it to hip backround music, then it's cool. That's all Belicheck needs to get out of this, a good dj and some slow motion footage.
2007-09-13 11:09:04
106.   LogikReader
One thing, just to get way off topic, is that the number of teams really doesn't work for Interleague play. The fact is, 30 teams can't be divided evenly so the NL gets two extra teams, know what I mean? In theory, adding two or subtracting one will ultimately solve the problem.

Why not just subtract the one? Is anyone going to be that heartbroken if the Marlins get contracted?

2007-09-13 11:10:00
107.   LogikReader
Assuming this happened, the Brewers could potentially revert to the AL like they used to be.

It'd be a shame though, since I enjoy the NL Brewers way more.

2007-09-13 11:11:04
108.   SG6
At the 120 game mark of this season, I ran a correlation on the NL, using the Pearson model on Excel, where -1 is an imperfect correlation and +1 is a perfect correlation. Here's the correlation, with OPS offering the best correlation:

BA/Runs 0.721855692
OBP/Runs 0.850594279
SLG/Runs 0.872703042
OPS/Runs 0.944390636
BB/Runs 0.598251962
K/Runs 0.370016655

2007-09-13 11:11:14
109.   KG16
100/102 - The Marlins would have a fan base if they didn't gut their team every four years, or if they won games (this is true of any team in any sport). Moving them to another market will generate attendance for a season but if they continue to do business the way they have, they won't maintain it.

As far as teams moving, my guess would be that Vegas would be at the top of the list of locations for any "failed" team.

2007-09-13 11:13:27
110.   KG16
106 - the player's union would not allow any team to be contracted. Figure two more teams in the AL, and (hopefully) no more interleague play.
2007-09-13 11:13:52
111.   dzzrtRatt
On a fan-per-win basis, the Rays are more successful team than the Marlins. The Rays don't draw a lot, but they've also never once in their miserable history been any good. And they've got a worse stadium than the Marlins'. It's amazing they get anyone to come.

I get the feeling that if their young core could put together a contending year, they would attract a following. The Marlins have contended several times and won it all twice, and it hardly makes a difference to anyone in South Florida.

2007-09-13 11:14:29
112.   LogikReader
Well in that case, maybe just a demotion from MLB to an AAA team would suffice.
2007-09-13 11:16:18
113.   D4P
A more sophisticated (and useful) technique involves including multiple variables (e.g. BA, OBP, SLG, etc.) simultaneously in a "regression" model that allows you to examine the relationship between each variable and Runs while controlling for the effects of the other variables.
2007-09-13 11:18:59
114.   bhsportsguy
109 Top U.S. Media Markets as of 2006 (without MLB after Miami)

17 Miami-Ft. Lauderdale
19 Sacramento-Stockton-Modesto
20 Orlando-Daytona Beach
23 Portland, Oregon
25 Indianapolis
27 Charlotte
28 Hartford-New Haven
29 Raleigh-Durham
30 Nashville
32 Columbus, Ohio
35 Greenville-Spartanburg, Asheville, Anderson
36 Salt Lake City
37 San Antonio
38 West Palm Beach-Ft. Pierce
39 Grand Rapids-Kalamazoo
40 Birmingham
41 Harrisburg-Lancaster
42 Norfolk-Portsmouth-Newport News
43 New Orleans
44 Memphis
45 Oklahoma City
46 Albuquerque-Santa Fe
47 Greensboro-High Point-Winston Salem, NC
48 Las Vegas
49 Buffalo
50 Louisville, KY

My hunch is if any team moved, it would be to Portland but there is still value in having a franchise in Miami.

2007-09-13 11:20:47
115.   Daniel Zappala
Per the earlier discussion ...

Much has been made of the speed of the Angels and their ability to advance base runners. Perhaps they have a high base-advance average, which accounts for their ability to score runs. It's highly correlated to runs scored and winning games:

See also, which has a similar concept. The Angels rank 4th in bases produced average this year and 8th in base production average (pitching stat). The only other teams in the top 10 on both lists are the Red Sox and Mets.

The Dodgers are 20th in bases produced average and 3rd in base production average. They are a good pitching, poor hitting team.

2007-09-13 11:22:22
116.   Xeifrank
a win tonight gets our probability of making the playoffs over the 20% barrier, per Sports Club Stats dot com slash. vr, Xei
2007-09-13 11:22:22
117.   ImprobableImpossible
Dodger rookie/sophomore hazing pics, courtesy of my homeboy Phil, now posted at SoSG!

Hopefully Wells is dressed like a sailor at his place right now to ensure success tonight.

2007-09-13 11:29:51
118.   ToyCannon
Thanks, Hu looks great.
2007-09-13 11:30:05
119.   Penarol1916
If baseball cared even remotely about competitive balance, they would move both Florida teams into the New York market, probably at least one in Jersey, and the other somewhere in New York.
2007-09-13 11:30:33
120.   Jon Weisman
Alyssa beat me to an on-camera baseball gig:

2007-09-13 11:30:44
121.   dzzrtRatt
They are a good pitching, poor hitting team.

You don't need complicated statistical analysis to ascertain the truth of this statement.

I wonder why do Ned and Grady keep thinking the team benefits from repeatedly benching their best hitters? Grady should practice these words in front of the mirror:

"Luis, he gets more hits than you do now. 2001 was a long time ago."

"Rafael, we love your defense, but until you're feeling better, I need someone who can get more hits."

"Juan, I love you like a son, but if I don't put a better hitter out there, I might get fired."

"Nomar, all good things come to an end. Take your hitting for example."

2007-09-13 11:32:51
122.   SG6
113 - Thanks - I know my model wasn't "great", just a hack on excel - but if you google Pearson, it's not a bad model. Does your analysis show that OBP has a better relationship to runs than OPS or SLG? I've always thought OPS was the best predictor of runs.
2007-09-13 11:34:18
123.   dzzrtRatt
120 You shouldn't have turned down that offer to replace Shannen Doherty on "Charmed."
2007-09-13 11:39:42
124.   bhsportsguy
119 Here is a comparison of markets and number of households that are similar to the two Florida markets.

9 Atlanta 2,097,220
10 Houston 1,938,670
11 Detroit 1,936,350
12 Tampa-St. Pete 1,710,400
13 Seattle-Tacoma 1,701,950
14 Phoenix 1,660,430
15 Minneapolis-St. Paul 1,652,940
16 Cleveland-Akron 1,541,780
17 Miami-Ft. Lauderdale 1,522,960
18 Denver 1,415,180

San Diego, Pittsburgh, and Cincinnati are even lower.

2007-09-13 11:45:00
125.   D4P
Does your analysis show that OBP has a better relationship to runs than OPS or SLG? I've always thought OPS was the best predictor of runs

I looked at 2007 data earlier today and found that OBP explains 78% of the variation in Runs. I added SLG to the model and it explains an additional 12 percent, for a total of 90.4%.

For reasons that I'll not try to explain, you shouldn't include OBP, SLG, and OPS in the same model. You should either includ OBP and SLG, or OPS by itself.

In terms of ability to predict runs,


2007-09-13 11:46:02
126.   ToyCannon
What are the numbers for the San Berdo area?
2007-09-13 11:48:19
127.   ToyCannon
So a team of Juan Pierre's would not score more runs then a team of Dunn's:)

It would be fun to watch a team scratching one run at a time and then boom walk boom k k walk boom.

2007-09-13 11:50:42
128.   Disabled List
126 San Bernardino does not count as its own market. It's part of the LA-Orange County metro area.
2007-09-13 11:50:42
129.   SG6
125 - "In terms of ability to predict runs,


Thanks! And we know that an "awful lot of hits" trumps all!!

2007-09-13 11:51:39
130.   D4P
An interesting note:

The explanatory power of OBP has gone up relative to SLG from 2006 to 2007.

OBP explains 78% of Runs
SLG explains 12%

OBP 64%
SLG 24%

You may recall the well-known conclusion associated with Depo that OBP is roughly 3 times as important as SLG. Well, from what I can tell, that factor varies by season. In 2006 (without controlling for any other factors), OBP was roughly 2.67 times as important; in 2007, OBP is roughly 6.5 times as important.

2007-09-13 11:52:10
131.   regfairfield
Someone here might know this:

I've seen it generally recommended that you increase a young pitchers workload by about 20 innings a year until he can throw a full season. However, what effect does throwing less innings one year to the next have? Bills threw 171 innings last year between Vegas and LA, and if he makes three more starts this year, he'll finish with about 153.

I can see the logic in using him as a long reliever at the start of this year, but we babied him way too much, and it could end up costing us both the pennant, and be determental to his future.

2007-09-13 11:52:32
132.   LogikReader

Man who is pitching that game?

2007-09-13 11:52:46
133.   Bob Timmermann
I believe the Dodgers and Angels both share the territorial rights for San Bernardino and Riverside Counites.
2007-09-13 11:54:05
134.   Disabled List
Jon Heyman managed to compile a list of over 25 baseball executives deserving of their first GM jobs without mentioning Kim Ng.

He did, however, mention Logan White and DeJon Watson.

2007-09-13 11:57:35
135.   Blaine
126 Riverside and SB counties have a combined population of just under 4 million. Does anyone think that a MLB team could survive out there?
2007-09-13 12:01:23
136.   blue22
So much for the Trailblazer renaissance. Greg Oden out for the year.

2007-09-13 12:01:44
137.   Bob Timmermann
Since there are still sizeable parts of the population in the Inland Empire that works in LA or OC, they would have a hard time drawing since most of the fans would still be slogging through traffic on the 10, 60, or 91 as the game started.
2007-09-13 12:04:26
138.   KG16
114 - Portland just doesn't seem like a major pro sports city (even if they have the Blazers, who are looking to be the new version of the Spurs). I always look at Vegas as a location for teams to move to (or leagues expand to) because it doesn't have any teams and has been growing rapidly. Of course, my guess is that the Angels, Dodgers, and Diamondbacks will be fighting an MLB team there as they all have some territorial rights (not to mention a AAA team there).

Oakland and SF will probably fight Sacto for similar reasons.

So yeah, Portland, Indy, or Charlotte makes sense.

2007-09-13 12:04:50
139.   bhsportsguy
137 Also, they don't have their own tv affilliates and there isn't really room for them on regional sports cable coverage.
2007-09-13 12:05:04
140.   SG6
130 - but what if you do it in reverse. First hold SLG, then add OBP. I can't believe OBP trumps SLG to that degree, and from what I read on this previously linked PDF, it agrees that SLG and OBP are close:
2007-09-13 12:18:20
141.   D4P
Oops, you're right. The order in which you add the variables makes a difference. Strike what I said before about how much variation each explains in Runs.

The appropriate way to measure the contribution of each is to look at the standardized regression coefficient. OBP still comes out ahead of SLG, but not by nearly as much as I said earlier.

I make a lot of mistakes in math/stats. Always have.

2007-09-13 12:36:07
142.   caseybarker
I don't know if you guys have thought of this, but could a high line drive percentage explain a higher than average BABIP?

For example, this could explain why Matt Kemp, and to a lesser extent James Loney, have, and will continue to have high OBP's with low walk rates.

2007-09-13 12:38:45
143.   regfairfield
142 Yes. Quick and dirty expected BABIP is line drive rate +.12.
2007-09-13 12:40:29
144.   regfairfield
142 It should be noted that Kemp is way high (.273 expected versus .408 actual) while Loney is right on (.347 expected versus .348 actual).
2007-09-13 12:42:21
145.   D4P
It's strange to me that GB% and FB% don't play into the expected BABIP at all. Aren't GB's much more likely to turn into hits than FBs?
2007-09-13 12:44:19
146.   King of the Hobos
Of the AAA teams, Sacramento has the highest average attendance, with 10,003 individuals a game. I'd figure a major league team could increase that number quite a bit. Round Rock (part of the Austin metro area) and Louisville both average above 9K.
2007-09-13 12:47:07
147.   regfairfield
145 They do, but that eliminates the "quick and dirty" part of the equation. If you want to do it yourself, it's something like 32% of ground balls go for hits, 75% of line drives fall, 12% of outfield flies, and .2% of popups.
2007-09-13 12:47:34
148.   bhsportsguy
143 One thing about Kemp and although it can't amount to a lot of hits, his speed does get him a few infield hits as last night evidenced.
2007-09-13 12:51:05
149.   Dodgers49
Speaking of Greg Oden:

Oden likely to miss season

>> Trail Blazers announce that the 7-foot center -- the No. 1 pick in this year's NBA draft -- has undergone microfracture surgery on his right knee. Full recovery is expected to take six to 12 months. <<

2007-09-13 12:51:41
150.   Eric Enders
There are two reasons Kemp's BABIP might be out of line with his line drive percentage.
1) As 148 noted, he gets more infield hits than your average bear due to his speed.
2) He seems to hit really, really hard ground balls which end up going through the infield for hits. Those hard grounders are not counted as "line drives" for statistical purposes but basically end up being the same thing -- a ball hit really hard which has an excellent chance of going for a hit.
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2007-09-13 12:51:53
151.   caseybarker
So expected BABIP is different than league-average BABIP.
2007-09-13 12:52:06
152.   bhsportsguy
I will take no arguments on this, she will be the best looking person working on post-season baseball.

Except for you Joe Buck fans.

2007-09-13 12:53:23
153.   D4P
So given two players with equal LD% but different GB and FB%, we would expect the player with higher GB% to have a higher BABIP, right?

Also, do you know where I can find league averages for GB, FB, and LD%? I know Fangraphs has the data for individual players, but I didn't see the averages there.

2007-09-13 12:54:29
154.   regfairfield
150 I can see that argument (his groundball percentage is very high) put I don't think it accounts for a 130 point difference.

151 Yep, it works differently than pitchers.

2007-09-13 12:55:06
155.   El Lay Dave
132 Esteban Loaiza.
2007-09-13 12:55:12
156.   regfairfield
154 Yep.
2007-09-13 12:55:35
157.   Eric Enders
Tony Jackson's coverage of Billingsley has reached comical proportions. In his game story this morning, he goes the first 775 words without mentioning the name of the starting and winning pitcher who made his sixth consecutive excellent start. Then he finally mentions him in the very last sentence of the article: "Chad Billingsley (11-4) held the Padres to a run on five hits over six strong innings."
2007-09-13 12:55:45
158.   D4P
What's the technical difference between a line drive and a groundball? I would assume the distinction is based on where the batted ball first touches the ground, right? Are batted balls that first touch the ground in the infield considered groundballs, and those that first touch in the outfield (or a fielder's glove) line drives?
2007-09-13 12:56:39
159.   King of the Hobos
2007-09-13 12:59:00
160.   caseybarker
150 Right. Kemp stings the ball each time; whether he puts it in the air or on the ground. I think he is getting a better knowledge of the strike zone, too, as evidenced by his decreased SO rate.
2007-09-13 13:00:16
161.   D4P
2007-09-13 13:01:27
162.   bhsportsguy
154 Very quick check of Kemp's 2007 hitting chart show 9 infield singles that did not reach the edge of the infield cutout. If you take away all of those hits, his average comes down to .297.

That is probably not fair to do that but his little dribblers and slow rollers do add up to something.

2007-09-13 13:03:48
163.   Kingmans Performance
Alyssa Milano will be on KLAC 570 sports radio with the 'Loose Cannons' in the 1 o'clock hour to talk up her role in post season for TBS Hot Corner.

For you DT'ers outside So Cal heres the streaming link:

2007-09-13 13:08:36
164.   Xeifrank
Couple of comments sandwiched together.
Re: Greg Oden... if the NBA draft were to be held today how far would Oden slip?

I imagine that gambling concerns is why there are no NFL, NBA or NHL teams in Vegas. One would think taking all their games off the books would be good enough, but I guess not.

As far as Billingsley's innings pitched being limited this year due to a long stint in middle relief. It could be that last year he pitched too many innings, not that he pitched too few this year.

Some good "baseball" discussion going on today. Keep up the good work.
vr, Xei

2007-09-13 13:08:37
165.   El Lay Dave
147 How are outside-the-park HRs accounted for in LD%/FB% ? Like when Matt Kemp parks a flyball 420 feet into the LCF bleachers.
2007-09-13 13:09:17
166.   regfairfield
165 Not a part of BABIP.
2007-09-13 13:10:26
167.   regfairfield
165 Wait, misinterpreted that. There's no where I can see that separates line drive home runs from fly ball home runs, so for now I just use the averages I computed (88% of home runs are fly balls, 12% are line drives).
2007-09-13 13:10:46
168.   Xeifrank
GB hit rate, is also a function of the hitters speed. Giving it a much wider distribution than LD% and FB%. Almost all line drive and fly balls are either outs or an easy reach to first base. Juan Pierre hits WAY too many balls in the air (atleast this season).
vr, Xei
2007-09-13 13:12:11
169.   caseybarker
...and from Keith Law's chat on ESPN

*Ned C. (Chavez Ravine: I'm not totally sold on this kid Loney. Do you know if Travis Lee is available?

Keith Law: ...and Dodgers fans should be apoplectic at the thought of losing Logan White.*

2007-09-13 13:12:32
170.   bhsportsguy
164 So what do you think of the upcoming TV season, shall we start with Monday?
2007-09-13 13:15:06
171.   Frip
There's always alot of flippant talk about which baseball managers stink and which don't. By the nature of the job it's all pretty murky really. Does anyone know of any articles that discuss or rate managers in a more methodical way?
2007-09-13 13:15:11
172.   bhsportsguy
BTW on an earlier radio interview, Andre Ethier referred to Cameron's 5 for 5 strikeout game as the "platinum sombrero."
2007-09-13 13:17:04
173.   El Lay Dave
170 I wish someone would cast him, if it gets him off the Dodger radio broadcasts.
2007-09-13 13:18:35
174.   ToyCannon
I would be very surprised if Keith Law had been a Loney supporter in the past.
2007-09-13 13:18:44
175.   bhsportsguy
173 It took me a while to figure out what you meant, then it dawned on me.

I meant Monday as in the day, Monday.

But man, are you in topic on DT, good for you.

2007-09-13 13:19:02
176.   Bob Timmermann
The Bill James book on managers tried to do it, but he didn't seem satisfied with his methodology.

It was a formula based on how many wins a team could expect based on the years before or something like that.

2007-09-13 13:25:05
177.   underdog
175 Yeah, I was going to ask if he was cast in that new show about Cavemen. But I guess not.
2007-09-13 13:26:59
178.   bhsportsguy
171 BP had some comments about managers and the things they control like taking starters out after they have a quality start, sacrifice bunts, etc. But that is more informative about patterns not a predictor of success.
2007-09-13 13:27:16
179.   regfairfield
171 I remember BP did a study on it a while ago. The only thing I remember from it is that Frank Robinson's tactical decisions cost his team three wins a year.
2007-09-13 13:27:30
180.   Eric Stephen
172 The Platinum Sombrero is the logical progression, from Silver (3 Ks) to Gold (4 Ks).

Ethier must have read my comment last night! :) I didn't make it up, but I don't remember where I first heard the term. All I know is Sean Salisbury brought up the term last night on ESPN Radio, which ruined any credibility for the term.

2007-09-13 13:27:58
181.   D4P
The only thing I remember from it is that Frank Robinson's tactical decisions cost his team three wins a year

Was three relatively good or relatively bad...?

2007-09-13 13:28:40
182.   Bob Timmermann
I heard Reggie Jackson talk about the Platinum Sombrero back when he was the color man on Angels broadcasts alongside Joe Torre.

The Torre-Jackson combo was really good.

2007-09-13 13:28:57
183.   regfairfield
181 I think it was way, way below everyone else.
2007-09-13 13:30:55
184.   D4P
Meaning everyone else cost their team more than 3 wins, or Robinson cost his team more wins than anyone else?
2007-09-13 13:32:07
185.   KG16
180 - the titanium sombrero goes to the guy with a 6 K game.

2007-09-13 13:32:25
186.   bhsportsguy
182 And how many did Reggie wear?
2007-09-13 13:36:32
187.   regfairfield
184 Robinson hurt his team more than anyone.
2007-09-13 13:37:09
188.   Bob Timmermann
He did it once in 1968.
2007-09-13 13:38:06
189.   Bob Timmermann
That is to say, Reggie went 0 for 5 with 5 Ks.

He never struck out six times in a game.

2007-09-13 13:38:09
190.   D4P
Thanks. BTW: whatever happened to your linear weights feature?
2007-09-13 13:38:47
191.   bhsportsguy
188 Thanks.

And would you believe "Get Smart" is back on the air in the LA/OC area.

2007-09-13 13:40:36
192.   Bob Timmermann
In the last 50 years, six players have struck out six times. Three times in games involving the Angels.

Jeff Jenkins struck out six times against Angels pitching in 2004.

Billy Cowan struck out six times against Oakland in 1971.

Rick Reichardt struck out six times against Cleveland in 1966.

2007-09-13 13:44:06
193.   regfairfield
190 Sloth.
2007-09-13 13:44:06
194.   Bob Timmermann
Games that only I would have liked to sit through:

2007-09-13 13:44:36
195.   Frip
Looking over everyone's favorite dessert from July 2006, found this bit of amusement:

201. regfairfield:
I never thought I'd say this, but let's get Shea Hillenbrand.

208. Steve
201 -- my thoughts exactly

2007-09-13 13:46:06
196.   underdog
191 I guess Bob's giving that one the 'cone of silence.'
2007-09-13 13:48:10
197.   Bob Timmermann
I've seen 'em all.

Even the one they don't show in reruns in the L.A. area because it all revolves around a joke that the CONTROL computer can't tell the difference between a Chinese and Japanese person.

2007-09-13 13:48:42
198.   regfairfield
195 To be fair, he hadn't established himself as a .230 hitter yet, though I want to know why I said that.
2007-09-13 13:48:56
199.   trainwreck
Now we know who to blame.
2007-09-13 13:50:46
200.   Andrew Shimmin
198- Izturis had been starting at 3B.
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2007-09-13 13:51:42
201.   regfairfield
For my sake, I hope it was when we had Izturis at third.
2007-09-13 13:51:59
202.   regfairfield
200 Thank God.
2007-09-13 13:53:17
203.   trainwreck
Someone told Ned, "Hey, I know how we can please that DT crowd. They wanted Shea Hillenbrand last year, so let's pick him up now. Then they will finally stop criticizing you."
2007-09-13 13:53:33
204.   KG16
194 - I wouldn't mind those kinds of games.
2007-09-13 13:54:16
205.   dzzrtRatt
In 2006, Hillenbrand would have made more sense. Mueller was on the DL. We perhaps did not have Betemit yet. LaRoche was clearly unready. I don't even remember who else played there...Aybar? The 2006 version of Hillenbrand might have marginally stabilized the situation.

I think amnesty is called for.

2007-09-13 13:54:53
206.   bhsportsguy
199 You should listen to Sonny Vacarro's interview on the podcast on, he recently spoke with Howland and Kevin Love.

Who would have guessed that Washington may be the one team that could the Bruins from being undefeated when they face Cal.

2007-09-13 13:56:42
207.   SG6
141 - Hey, no worries. I'm just getting into this. Funny how much things change when one is enlightened.
2007-09-13 13:57:57
208.   trainwreck
I did hear it. I really do not expect to go undefeated and it is not that important to me. I think we got a good shot to be the number 1 overall going into the tournament.

I worry about Shipp guarding 2s and our lack of guard depth.

2007-09-13 13:59:45
209.   King of the Hobos
205 That's pretty accurate. Izturis was playing in front of Aybar, much to our ire, and it was about 10 days before we acquired Betemit. And Shea had just been DFA'd after hitting .301/.342/.480.
2007-09-13 14:00:06
210.   Andrew Shimmin
205- Aybar got a couple weeks to lose the job to a mishmash of Saenz, Martinez, and then Izturis. He was part of the Betemit deal. Betemit ended up sharing the spot with Lugo.

Now I have to find a melon baller to fix the burning in my eyes.

2007-09-13 14:03:32
211.   ToyCannon
Do any of you UCLA fans have Pauley Pavillion season tickets? Could be a fun year. I'll need some cheering up after watching a few Clipper games.
2007-09-13 14:05:27
212.   ToyCannon
I once wanted to trade Russ Martin for Tejada when he part of the Jacksonville 5, so I'm sure we've all posted things were not proud of.

Of course the 2006 version of Shea would be nice right about now.

2007-09-13 14:13:59
213.   trainwreck
I would rather be a Clippers fan than a Lakers fan. You guys are not going to be good this year, but you may get the first pick and get Derrick Rose and you still have a relatively young talented team.

The Lakers are stuck in mediocrity. And we will be as long as Jim Buss is running things. Even when Kobe bolts, I do not trust Jim to make good draft picks when we are in the lottery. Andrew Bynum the savior, my butt.

2007-09-13 14:19:27
214.   ToyCannon
I bet you weren't saying that about Bynum last December.
2007-09-13 14:21:16
215.   trainwreck
I have always felt he is going to be a good player, just not an All-Star level player and that seems to be what the Lakers are banking on.
2007-09-13 14:23:08
216.   goofus
On expansion, The mayor of Las Vegas is campaigning for a team. Nobody else takes it serious, with all the other attractions here, nobody would go to the games. and of course the heat would be brutal.
If I had to expand the league, I'd look outside the country. There are two or three cities in Mexico that would support a team tremendously. Puerto Rico, Korea, and Japan would work too.
2007-09-13 14:26:56
217.   King of the Hobos
216 I think they might have a little difficulty scheduling with a team playing in Japan/Korea.
2007-09-13 14:28:27
218.   trainwreck
I would assume that nice, new arena Harrah's is building will eventually attract a NBA or NHL team.
2007-09-13 14:30:25
219.   Bob Timmermann
I also can't imagine a lot of free agents would be eager to sign in Mexico unless they couldn't play anywhere else.

At least for the next 10-20 years.

2007-09-13 14:30:25
220.   silverwidow
Someone at ItD with a rumor that Hendrickson is starting tonight.
2007-09-13 14:37:59
221.   KG16
216 - Puerto Rico was great hosting the Expos for a while, I could see the Marlins going there (and thus avoiding realignment issues).

218 - I'm guessing it will as well. As far as baseball goes, the 51s play there in an open air stadium, but they could always go with the retractable dome a la the Diamondbacks.

Teams in Vegas will happen eventually, but it's going to take some work on the part of the city and the league.

2007-09-13 14:38:17
222.   underdog
Not the most reliable source, but my first response is... "you're kidding?"
2007-09-13 14:39:08
223.   Andrew Shimmin
220- The rumor monger also posted that he likes girls with no clothes. I can't decide whether that makes it more credible.
2007-09-13 14:39:53
224.   Bob Timmermann
Puerto Rico worked for a few weeks and then the novelty wore off. And Puerto Rico canceled its winter league.
2007-09-13 14:41:31
225.   D4P
From the latest Joe Chat:

John (Chicago, IL): Joe, who do you think, in your opinion, is going to represent the AL in the World Series this year and why? I like Boston because they have the best run differential in baseball and their pitching top to bottom has been statistically the best all year. What do you think?

Joe Morgan: Well the run differential means nothing. It is like OPS, it mean nothing in the grander scheme of things. (...)

And this:

I do not think this one year proves anything, but the As playoff failures over the years demonstrate that you cannot win it all under that approach

2007-09-13 14:41:45
226.   Bob Timmermann
That source is more impeachable than Andrew Johnson being caught red-handed trying to stab William Stanton with a copy of the Tenure of Office Act wrapped in a Confederate flag.
2007-09-13 14:43:18
227.   trainwreck
If that is the case then we better put the most potent lineup possible, which means it is time for some PVL.
2007-09-13 14:48:11
228.   D4P
This is a bit out of nowhere, but I was thinking about Colletti's "fit" with the Dodgers. Many of us have expressed the opinion that we don't want him to be the Dodger GM, or at least, we have qualms about him.

But what about Ned's take on the matter? Does he want to be the Dodger GM? On one hand, the obvious answer is "Yes", because he's getting paid to do the job. But you gotta wonder: is a team with a bunch of young players really the kinda team he would choose to GM if given his druthers? Wouldn't he probably prefer a situation where he could bring in all the Nomars and Hillenbrands he wanted with little to no objection? Not to mention that he spent a lot of time with the Giants and then went to their hated rival.

All of which is to say that we have implicitly assumed that Ned would stay as long as McCourt wanted him to. But maybe, just maybe, there's a chance he'd leave on his own, if a situation opened up that was more to his liking.

2007-09-13 14:49:24
229.   KG16
225 - I can see Joe's point regarding run differential. Beating bad teams by large margins is not an indication of how a team will fare against better teams. With respect to OPS, well, to borrow a line from Reagan, "There you go again..."
2007-09-13 14:50:03
230.   trainwreck
I think he would leave if he was offered the Cubs GM job.

He plays the veterans because he trusts them more. I do not think he hates youngsters. I think he loves the fact he is in the big LA market and has a good payroll.

2007-09-13 14:52:02
231.   Bob Timmermann
I think Colletti is like a lot of GMs in that he wants to put together a team that wins a lot of games and preferably the World Series so people think he did a good job.

Colletti isn't even a San Francisco native. So I can't picture he has any more loyalty to that city than any other.

2007-09-13 14:56:03
232.   LogikReader

Uh oh... it's go time!

2007-09-13 14:57:59
233.   D4P
I think it's reasonable to believe that he feels differently about the Giants than any other team. In particular, I think he probably has more emotional connection to them.
2007-09-13 14:59:40
234.   delias man
Mexico would not work. I have been to games there where games were tickets bought from ticket window were 4 dollars 3 rows direct behind the plate. Not enough money, could never imagine them selling luxury boxes, but the TV deal may be huge.
2007-09-13 15:00:46
235.   Disabled List
226 That source is more impeachable than Andrew Johnson being caught red-handed trying to stab William Stanton with a copy of the Tenure of Office Act wrapped in a Confederate flag.

Bob Bob Bob... That is not a mistake I would've expected out of you!

It was Edwin Stanton whom Andrew Johnson tried to whack with the Tenure of Office Act.

2007-09-13 15:01:51
236.   Bob Timmermann
Front office execs have changed teams a lot. I don't see why Colletti is any different from all the others who have done so.

Was Dan Evans more loyal to the White Sox? Was Kevin Malone more loyal to the Orioles or Expos?

2007-09-13 15:02:21
237.   Bob Timmermann
That's why the crime was even more diabolical.

He was going after the wrong man.

2007-09-13 15:08:32
238.   ToyCannon
I've based all my Ned fan fiction on your feelings. So they must be true.
2007-09-13 15:09:45
239.   Andrew Shimmin
Kevin Malone may not be the best counter argument to a dual-loyalty allegation. Although I notice the demon Lucifer didn't make Bob's multiple choice list.
2007-09-13 15:17:29
240.   KG16
Looks like the Best Fans in Baseball (c) won't get to partake in the post-season. Cards are now 4.5 out after being swept by the Reds.

And the Baseball Gods wept, or cheered, it's hard to tell when gods are laughing and when they're crying.

2007-09-13 15:17:44
241.   ToyCannon
Any mention of the demon Lucifer always kills a thread. But I have no fear. May the thread continue unabated.
2007-09-13 15:18:33
242.   Jon Weisman
I knew Billingsley was dominating the Padres, but I didn't realize that Germano had taken the loss in each of Billingsley's past three victories over San Diego.

David Wells theoretically could lose both the first and last games of the 2007 Dodgers-Padres series.

2007-09-13 15:19:33
243.   ToyCannon
They are always laughing when they tear the hearts out of Cub fans, and they are always crying when the big blue stalls in another quest to make 1988 a not so distant memory.
2007-09-13 15:21:07
244.   D4P
I think that wearing the WS ring from your former team after becoming an employee of their hated rival is a decent indicator that you still feel something special for the first team.
2007-09-13 15:21:47
245.   D4P
it's hard to tell when gods are laughing and when they're crying

The happy is just as wet as the sad.

2007-09-13 15:23:49
246.   Bob Timmermann
I guess it's just a matter of time before the Dodgers become the Kansas City A's and the Giants turn into the New York Yankees.
2007-09-13 15:24:24
247.   KG16
243 - so were they laughing or crying when the Red Sox finally won?
2007-09-13 15:25:58
248.   KG16
246 - does that mean the next owner is going to point a bus north and burn it?
2007-09-13 15:35:41
249.   LogikReader
Colletti? World Series ring??? Did I miss something?
2007-09-13 15:37:05
250.   D4P
The Giants made it to the World Series that one year. Ned wore his ring last year for a while, but I think someone told him he should probably not wear it now that he works for the Dodgers. I'm pretty sure he stopped wearing it.
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2007-09-13 15:37:36
251.   fanerman
249 Maybe it's more of an NLCS ring? The ring you get for making it to the world series. I remember Colleti was flaunting it when he got the job. Nomar said something about winning one just so he'd stop wearing it. I thought it was a slap in the face for him to wear the Giants ring after becoming GM for the Dodgers.
2007-09-13 15:42:58
252.   LogikReader
That's disgusting... oy vey!

You shouldn't get rings for "making it to the World Series" anyway. What was that?

2007-09-13 15:44:05
253.   LogikReader
I can't believe Walter O'Malley didn't consider instituting a life-long rule like "Don't ever ever hire former Giant personnel for your front office."


2007-09-13 15:44:17
254.   Icaros
Best part about Colletti's ring is that it's a loser's ring. Why anyone from the Giants would want to be reminded of such an amazing choke job, I'll never know.
2007-09-13 15:44:20
255.   fanerman
252 Nice use of the phrase "oy vey."
2007-09-13 15:46:40
256.   Bluebleeder87
man, reading 26 gave me a splash of goose bumps, you guys think Kershaw will be a Sept call up in '08?
2007-09-13 15:47:08
257.   KG16
252/254 - well, they did win the National League Pennant that year (I remember this only because I was at Game 1 of the World Series wearing a Dodgers hat). I think a lot of teams do League Championship rings, nothing particularly wrong with that... if you still believe that they are (and should be) two separate leagues.
2007-09-13 15:49:43
258.   D4P
The Giants have a history of getting excited about winning the pennant.
2007-09-13 15:50:50
259.   fanerman
254 Yeah that's true. I was already resigned to the Giants winning it all when Speizio or whoever started that rally. How NedCo can wear that ring without thinking about (or outwardly expressing) how close they were to winning and how badly they choked is beyond me.
2007-09-13 15:51:25
260.   Icaros

I think it's tacky, just like teams who put up banners for winning division titles, even wildcards!

2007-09-13 15:51:26
261.   LogikReader
The Lakers would never do such a thing and even the Celtics, with all they've been through wouldn't either. The only thing they display is Championship Banners!
2007-09-13 15:52:39
262.   Peanuts in My Shoes
Just catching up on the Coletti/White comments and thought I'd drop this link again (with specific reference to 169 )

2007-09-13 15:52:59
263.   Pedro Astacio
Does Andy LaRoche remind anyone of Dallas McPherson? Power hitting guy with chronic back problems?
2007-09-13 15:53:09
264.   ToyCannon
Seems silly. Not that I wear rings but if I did I would have no problem wearing a ring I was proud of earning.
2007-09-13 15:56:52
265.   ToyCannon
That is easy for you to say, probably being a fan of the Dodgers and Lakers, but I expect the Tampa Bay Devil Rays and Los Angeles Clippers will be giddy the day they can hang a divisional banner.
The snobbery of success is suffocating
2007-09-13 15:57:14
266.   regfairfield
263 I guess if that's the only comparison you're making. LaRoche is a far better hitter than McPherson otherwise.
2007-09-13 15:57:19
267.   fanerman
262 But what about Ngage?
2007-09-13 15:58:00
268.   KG16
260/261 - I think in baseball, you can hang banners for League and World Titles, the division title is watered down, and the wild card is just funny. There's an argument for hanging conference championship banners in other sports, but usually for teams that don't have much tradition or success.
2007-09-13 15:59:41
269.   underdog
262 Icaros and underdog have now signed the petition. ;-)
2007-09-13 16:01:50
270.   D4P
How long ago did McCourt say that hiring Ned was the best thing he had done since buying the team? A month? Two months? Hard to imagine him replacing Ned at this point.
2007-09-13 16:02:21
271.   Icaros

Hey, I'm also a Rams fan, and I wouldn't want any part of a banner commemorating the '80 and '02 Superbowls.

And what gives you the right to call me a snob for having this opinion?

2007-09-13 16:02:29
272.   Peanuts in My Shoes
267. Good point.

269. Excellent. Once they get 30 signatures, McCourt will have no choice but to listen to the masses! Err...he has heard of "sample size," right? ;)

2007-09-13 16:04:02
273.   ToyCannon
I remember Bill James predicting huge things for McPherson in his yearly handbook. He struck out more then La Roche but he also had more power. I'm not sure "far better" is accurate. I'll have to check out the MLE's on McPherson.

They both seem to have developed back trouble just as they were on the cusp of jobs in the major leagues. My memory is telling me that McPherson 1st had hip problems and then the back but he certainly hasn't been healthy since the day the Angels decided not to sign Glaus for health reasons.
2007-09-13 16:04:35
274.   D4P
'02 Superbowl

Good news: I've decided that the Patriots have to forfeit that because they're a buncha cheaters.

2007-09-13 16:05:30
275.   fanerman
265 Is it really snobbery? It just seems kinda silly to have a Wild Card banner next to 5 or so Championship banners. If you have a franchise like the D-Rays I don't think there's anything wrong or "low" about hanging a Wild Card banner. But if/when the D-Rays win a couple World Series, maybe they should only hang ALCS or higher banners.
2007-09-13 16:07:29
276.   ToyCannon
Because it is usually only an opinion expressed by fans who follow very successful franchises. The snob comment wasn't meant for you personally for all those fans who think only the World Champion banners should be displayed. It is an opinion.
2007-09-13 16:07:31
277.   Icaros

Me too. The Giants didn't win the pennant in '51 for the same reason.

2007-09-13 16:07:51
278.   LogikReader
Just added my signature to the list. Go Logan!
2007-09-13 16:09:10
279.   Bob Timmermann
Two batters in and the Rockies lead 1-0 in Philadelphia.
2007-09-13 16:10:40
280.   Bluebleeder87

Monterey, Mexico has a beautiful stadium & the city is also really nice, I remember the Rockies playing there once when Vinni Castilla was with them, I was taking back on how well the stadium looked (compared to some others) that would be the ideal city for me.

2007-09-13 16:12:31
281.   regfairfield
273 I think James was underestimating strikeout rate on minor leaguers, because McPherson struck out once every 3.17 times per at bat that year (2004), and a whopping 2.72 times per at bat in AAA. Combine that with a decent walk rate, and you have a guy that was in huge danger of being overwhelmed in the majors.

I think you need to walk like Jack Cust to fan that many times and find success in the bigs, and even then, I would almost guarantee that Cust will set the single season strike out record next year if he plays full time.

2007-09-13 16:12:42
282.   SG6
I don't think a Dodger GM wearing an NLCS ring of a hated rival is tacky...

...anymore than wearing a tacky pelt on one's head.

2007-09-13 16:12:59
283.   Bob Timmermann
I'm still upset that UCLA took down the NIT championship banner from Pauley Pavilion.

That was the greatest moment in UCLA basketbal when I was there.

But all those effete Wooden Era snobs made them take it down.

All of them and their fancy "Lew Alcindor this" and "Bill Walton that" and "Gail Goodrich this."

In my day, Brad Wright was the greatest center to EVER play for UCLA and there's no one who can change my mind about that.

2007-09-13 16:15:54
284.   sporky

Furcal, SS
Pierre, CF
Loney, 1B
Kent, 2B
Gonzo, LF
Martin, C
Kemp, RF
Abreu, 3B
Wells, P

2007-09-13 16:16:12
285.   Jon Weisman
Q&A with Buddy Carlyle!

2007-09-13 16:16:31
286.   ToyCannon
Why do you all think Logan White or Kim Ng would make a good GM?

The only thing Logan White has proven that he's very very good at is amateur scouting and listening to his scouts and coming up with a great draft strategy.

As a GM he would do none of the things he currently excels at. He would have to hire someone. While he may be great at figuring out which 18 year olds will become major league players, I don't quite see how that is relevant to being a GM.

Have any other scouting directors who were great at their job gone on to become successful general managers?

I'm just curious why the consensus seems to be that he'd be a great GM.

2007-09-13 16:17:29
287.   trainwreck
What the...
2007-09-13 16:17:51
288.   Jon Weisman
285 - His son is named Carter and his daughter is named Kennedy.
2007-09-13 16:18:31
289.   Jon Weisman
284/287 - What's so shocking, other than the daily outfield shuffle?
2007-09-13 16:19:20
290.   jasonungar07
I called Shenanigans at the time when Coletti was showing off his ring.

It reminded me of that old SNL sketch when Joe Pesci was trying on different pinky rings.

2007-09-13 16:20:12
291.   trainwreck
Kemp hitting in the 7 hole. Forget the dumb right lefty stuff.
2007-09-13 16:20:30
292.   alexx
I was listening to KFWB on gameday audio last night and Steiner described the Loney home run as landing 20 rows back in right field. I watched the replay and it landed in the first row..?
2007-09-13 16:21:10
293.   sporky
289 - Mostly that Gonzo is before Martin/Kemp, but that's a relatively small beef compared to the disaster that could've been.
2007-09-13 16:21:42
294.   underdog
286 I'm actually not entirely convinced either, but he'd likely be better than Colletti, and certainly more willing to trust the roster to the younger players with upside (with some veterans mixed in of course) rather than trade for the washed up masses. But of course scouting director is a different job than GM so, no, there's no guarantee. I'd actually think Kim Ng would be the most qualified person they have in-house.
2007-09-13 16:22:51
295.   underdog
That line-up is basically exactly what I expected today, and I don't mind that much. Kemp should be before Gonzo but it's that lefty-righty alt. thing I guess. Whatever, it's fine. Abreu in there again, since LaRoche isn't available, makes me happy.
2007-09-13 16:23:10
296.   Jon Weisman
286 - My thinking would be I'd rather take a chance on Logan by promoting him than risk losing his acumen.
2007-09-13 16:25:24
297.   Andrew Shimmin
282- You're right. The ring is just a symptom (man jewelry) of a larger problem: Ned Colletti has bad taste. I understand not liking neckties, but he needs to stop trying to make the "fancy t-shirt as necktie alternative," happen. Don't wear a tie if you don't want to, but accept that it means you'll often be under-dressed. Own it.
2007-09-13 16:25:48
298.   Bob Timmermann
I liked this part of Buddy's interview:

CT: Why did you decide that Earl was no longer a viable first name?

Carlyle: I don't have a kingdom, so I figured after three, we should shut it down.

However, I believe an earl rules a duchy.

It's over on the left.

2007-09-13 16:26:03
299.   fanerman
286 It seems like Kim Ng is more qualified, based on what I hear. She seems to know how to handle contracts and seems pretty smart about valuing players (all based on what I hear).

I imagine the "promote Logan White" is based heavily on 1) making sure Logan White doesn't leave the Dodgers and 2) getting rid of NedCo (ie, he'd be better than NedCo). I have no idea how Logan White is at other GM stuff.

Ng and White seem to have complementary skill sets.

2007-09-13 16:27:25
300.   underdog
Maybe they can promote Logan Ng!
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2007-09-13 16:27:41
301.   Bluebleeder87
I don't know if I'm in the minority hear (no pun I swear) but I would have inked in Ethier instead of Matt Kemp against Maddux, hopefully Kemp proves me wrong.
2007-09-13 16:28:15
302.   fanerman
299 That should be 'the "promote Logan White" campaign.' I wasn't referring specifically to the website.
2007-09-13 16:28:29
303.   sporky
300 - GM by committee!
2007-09-13 16:29:02
304.   fanerman
300 If they got married, Kim Ng could change her name to Kim White.
2007-09-13 16:29:22
305.   KG16
303 - not a bad idea, really.
2007-09-13 16:30:18
306.   still bevens
292 I doubt that. I was at the game and didn't have the angle that it was on tv so maybe I'm wrong, but it couldnt have been anything more than 5-10 at the most. It wasn't one of those HR's that barely clears the fence, but 20 rows is kind of alot.
2007-09-13 16:30:24
307.   FirstMohican
300 - I believe that's actually spelled "LogNg"
2007-09-13 16:30:30
308.   Bob Timmermann
Ms. Ng must like having a short name because she didn't change it after getting married.
2007-09-13 16:30:32
309.   fanerman
303 I used to think that DePo/Ng/White could have been the ultimate 3-headed GM monster.
2007-09-13 16:30:48
310.   Humma Kavula
297 In Los Angeles, a man is rarely underdressed by wearing a dress shirt/jacket but no tie. Few places in this city require a tie anymore.

That said the fancy T-Shirt thing boggles the mind.

2007-09-13 16:31:19
311.   sporky
3-0 Colorado. JD Durbin threw 44 pitches in the first.
2007-09-13 16:31:49
312.   bhsportsguy
283 I knew Brad Wright in jr. high school, we played basketball together.

No one was more surprised that he played both NCAA Division 1 and NBA basketball than me and my friends.

2007-09-13 16:32:20
313.   bhsportsguy
I once saw Mark Eaton at Powell Library, he was reading the books on the upper shelves.
2007-09-13 16:32:43
314.   ucladodger

Student tickets, baby. Should be an awesome year. The home non-conference schedule might not be too interesting, but conference games will be great.

2007-09-13 16:32:57
315.   fanerman
308 I, of course, meant no offense by 304 . Just taking the opposite of "Logan Ng."
2007-09-13 16:35:27
316.   sporky
On a random note, I develop small ulcers when I see players' names constantly misspelled. Abreau it is not.
2007-09-13 16:35:36
317.   Bob Timmermann
I didn't think you were advocating adultery.

That's Jon rule #17.

Or maybe one of the Ten Commandments.

I get them confused.

2007-09-13 16:36:02
318.   Kevin Lewis

I think it was 5-7 rows up.


I am too tired to care anymore about the outfield shuffle. I expect it now and save my excitement/energy for when Ethier and Kemp are both playing as they should.

2007-09-13 16:38:43
319.   LogikReader
Remember our discussion of the 400 people at the Marlins game?

I got this from my buddy, "football boy":

"400 people at a MLB game? Wow! More proof that either baseball needs to stop the regular season in September or Miami doesn't need a baseball team. There you go…"


2007-09-13 16:41:58
320.   Howard Fox
292 318 that kind of goes along with measurement of homerun distance...never understood how they come up with that...the ball lands in the first or second row in right center and the official measurement is 450 feet, or down the line in field boxed and it measures 400 feet...I never could quite figure that out
2007-09-13 16:42:02
321.   Bluebleeder87
I just looked up some #'s & it looks like Ethier hasn't faired to well against Mr. Maddux Kemp hasn't faced Maddux EVER so it was the right move on Gradys part, Here are Kemps #'s against the Pads (very good by the way)

At Bats - 20
Hits - 7
round trippers - 1
OB% - .350
SLG - .550
Batting Average - .350

2007-09-13 16:42:49
322.   Andrew Shimmin
Sometimes I question the value of the Gutenberg Project.

2007-09-13 16:43:03
323.   fanerman
Someone (possibly but probably not NedCo) posted on Promote Logan White as NedCo, in favor of promoting Logan White.
2007-09-13 16:45:07
324.   jasonungar07
Call me crazy but for tonight versus the professor I would have considered batting Kemp at leadoff and moving the struggling Furcal into that 7 hole just for the heck of it. I would love to see Kemp lead off when not hitting where he should be.
2007-09-13 16:46:40
325.   Howard Fox
324 not crazy, I would take Furcal out of the lineup, right now he is an automatic out...let Hu play a couple of games, he can't do worse at the plate
2007-09-13 16:47:28
326.   Bob Timmermann
Check back with everyone after the game. No teams are going to be eliminated tonight thanks to the Dodgers win last night.
2007-09-13 16:48:23
327.   King of the Hobos
According to the site reporter, the Evans and Bennett interviews today are the last of the initial wave, so we should find out if White gets a callback soon. And with Coonelly officially being named President today, we should also find out soon if White/Ng are even candidates for the Pirates job.

What would the reaction be if we lost both White and Ng within the next few weeks? I would assume that Lajoie, Lovelace, Howell, Weidemaier, Watson, and Hallgren would start playing more important roles, though I know very little about any of them. Lajoie strikes me as a old-timer PVL type of guy (though outside of the Smoltz trade, I'm not sure I have much reason to believe this). Other than him, I know very little about any of the other guys. What exactly do Lovelace, Howell, and Weidemaier do? And how much of a role did Hallgren really play in this season's draft?

2007-09-13 16:49:06
328.   Howard Fox
all everyone talks about is the importance of getting the leadoff man on vs the pitcher getting the first man out...for a while, it's first man out every game, first inning
2007-09-13 16:49:48
329.   das411
J-Werth with a clutch two-out walk and Wes Helms promptly shows why he owns Jeff Francis, 4-3 Phils, bottom 1st, and both teams have now batted around in their first time at bat. NL Wild Card baseball, gotta love it!
2007-09-13 16:50:23
330.   Bluebleeder87

It sounds like a JoeyP job Fanerman, it's pretty weird cause he posted it a minute before my post.

2007-09-13 16:50:44
331.   jasonungar07
It would be great to see Maddux do a double take like, gosh I thought I was just gonna ease into the game easy with a few bounce outs to 2b but I have to watch it with this guy.
2007-09-13 16:53:19
332.   fanerman
330 I had my hopes up for about 1/1000000 of a second that it actually was Ned.
2007-09-13 16:53:27
333.   underdog
325 I agree with that, except I'm not sure tonight vs. Maddux would be the best time to give Hu his first start. But he probably wouldn't fare worse than Furcal...
2007-09-13 16:55:22
334.   bhsportsguy
327 Sure seems unlikely that we will lose Kim Ng unless she is being interviewed with no press about it (which would be quite a feat in itself).

And it sounded to me like Logan White saw his interview as a learning experience.

2007-09-13 16:56:17
335.   Howard Fox
tonite: Furcal...2 popups, a flyout and a groundout
2007-09-13 16:58:16
336.   Ricardo
262. Thanks for the link, I posted a comment. If Logan goes to Houston, should they hire Mike Rizzo? He did a great job in Arizona.
2007-09-13 16:59:09
337.   trainwreck
Yeah, I do not expect White to get a GM job. People are that shallow.
2007-09-13 16:59:25
338.   trainwreck
I mean Ng.
2007-09-13 16:59:58
339.   ToyCannon
Ryan Howard in 2004 had a 3.2 K rate in AA at age 24 and that turned out okay but I guess that is not the norm.

In the winter of 2005 would you have predicted failure for both McPherson and Howard? If not, what shows up in Howards numbers that would have made you think he could overcome his K Rate?

Just trying to learn, not being snotty.

2007-09-13 17:00:39
340.   King of the Hobos
334 The Pirates have not named any candidates nor have they interviewed anyone.
2007-09-13 17:01:23
341.   Bluebleeder87

who is JoeyP anyway?? we seem to blame him for everything.

2007-09-13 17:01:47
342.   King of the Hobos
336 Should Houston hire Rizzo? That would be a scary duo if they were in charge together.
2007-09-13 17:04:52
343.   Andrew Shimmin
I like the image of Logan White playing the role of Chronus, coughing up the prospects, but who's Zeus in this analogy?
2007-09-13 17:06:40
344.   ToyCannon
This could be a very entertaining postseason if you like offense, given how poor everyone's pitching is doing in Sept.
2007-09-13 17:07:42
345.   MJW101
With all the talk about White/Ng getting GM jobs with another team has anyone considered the effect it would have on the internal workings(!) of the current Dodger "management team". There has been a great deal of speculation about philosophical disagreements amidst the Dodger "management team" before and during the trading deadline. Since no one here is privy to the internal management discussions we may never actually know what is going on, however, changing the chemistry of the "management team" may or may not be an improvement.
2007-09-13 17:08:30
346.   Ricardo
342. Ywa, that would be great for Houston!:P But my question is should the Dodgers hire Mike Rizzo if Logan goes to Houston? Or there are better options? DeJon Watson?
2007-09-13 17:11:26
347.   Gen3Blue
It would certainly be a creative move to lead-off with Kemp. Our two unfotunate lead-off men couldn't be much worse, although I think recently JP has actually been better than Furc. Maddox could be tough, but the Pads weakness is being the easiest team to steal on by far. Of course Maddox will help the Pads in this respect, simply by having a brain, but JP,Furc,or Kemp should see second if they can get on. And this may be the way to get runs tonight--one at a time.
At this time last year it would have been shocking to ponder Furcs current result, and after Drews bailing out I don't think anyone would have had us over .500 if the knew Furcals performance.
2007-09-13 17:11:36
348.   ToyCannon
I cling to the belief that Tommy was the one who had philosophical differences because he would be the only one to leak such information to the media.

While I make fun of Ned and Kim for entertainment purposes only, I think they are all on the same page and that Tommy is the one looking in from the outside. He only has a few years left, it would be in his self-interest to trade the kids for instant gratification and Tommy is all about self-interest. JMO

2007-09-13 17:11:39
349.   King of the Hobos
346 Hiring Rizzo would be great, but I have a feeling prying him from the Nats without naming him GM would be difficult. However, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Watson was given a bigger role on the major league team if White/Ng leave.
2007-09-13 17:20:24
350.   Jon Weisman
Game thread is open.

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