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Calming the Waters
2007-09-28 07:30
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

I originally titled this post "The Youth Movement Fights Back," but perhaps that isn't the best terminology. After all, those of us defending the kids aren't doing so simply because they're young, but because they happen to represent a great chance at building a winning team. It's more like, "Rationality Fights Back."

In any case, in the Times today, Grady Little takes the pro-youth platform ...

"We know the course we're on and we're going to stay the course," Little said of the Dodgers' commitment to youth. "The course they've been taking since they won a World Series here in 1988 is not working. This course we're on right now, we're going to try to make it work."

... while Ross Newhan graces us with this (forgive the unusually long excerpt):

Didn't the younger players basically try to carry the Dodgers down the stretch, such as it was?

Didn't the expensive older players, through injury, inconsistency or both, flame out to a large extent?

Isn't it a misnomer to even say the Dodgers operated with a full-fledged youth movement in 2007?

If this was a full-fledged youth movement, why wasn't James Loney -- who batted .380 in triple A last year and .414 in the spring and whose shoulders are now aching from toting the offensive burden in September -- up from the start rather than being recalled June 10?

If this was a full-fledged youth movement, why weren't Matt Kemp and Andre Ethier playing every day, why not endure Andy LaRoche's third base growing pains for the entire summer, and why sign Luis Gonzalez as a free agent or re-sign Nomar Garciaparra?

For a full-fledged youth movement, look to Arizona and the team that is about to win National League West, although that kind of first-year magic is rare.

Most full-fledged youth movements result in competitive capitulation for a year or longer.

With the Dodgers, who were legitimately alive in the division and wild-card races until mid-September, this was transitional integration -- and it might have led to October if some older players had stayed healthy or performed better. ...

The Dodgers obviously have bridges to rebuild, management issues, approaches and relationships (from the front office down) to re-examine and resolve, but make no mistake:

Although this is a difficult market in which to operate a development camp, the long wait for a nucleus of the current caliber to emerge from what had become a fallow farm system at times justified the 2007 route and demands caution if the club is now thinking it should break up that nucleus.

Trade 23-year-old Kemp and his 10 home runs, 10 stolen bases and .331 average in 94 games? Trade 23-year-old Loney and his 14 homers and 63 RBIs in only a half-season?

I say, bring on Tony Abreu, Delwyn Young, Clayton Kershaw, Chin-Lung Hu, that much more talent and attitude.

I say, forget this semi-youth movement and officially make it full-fledged.

Comments (139)
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2007-09-28 07:33:50
1.   D4P
My Ode to A-Rod got LATed:

Don't go to Boston for the springtime
Their payoll's on the high end they don't got lots of room
If you don't produce they kick you on the sidewalk
By a café where you'd probably be workin' soon
Don't go to Boston
I say "No", would you come home to me

And I said, hey A-Rod why don't you settle down
Boston ain't your kind of town
Their winter's cold and there ain't nobody like me
I'm the poster known on The Tubes as D4P

Don't go to Denver with the snowfall
On TV or in the newspaper you won't be found
Nobody cares bout the Rockies on the east coast
When they go to bed at night your game's just goin' down,
Don't go to Denver
I say "No", would you come home to me

And I said, hey A-Rod why don't you settle down
Denver ain't your kind of town
Their winter's cold and there ain't nobody like me
I'm the poster known on The Tubes as D4P

Now the rumor mill goes 'round and 'round
And I doubt that it's ever gonna stop
But of all the players we've lost or found
And all that we ain't got
We still need a batter
Not a broken ladder

Please come to LA to live forever
A dynasty alone is just too hard to build
You'll live in a house that looks out over the ocean
And there's some stars from Hollywood
Livin' up on the hill
Please come to LA
Don't say no, won't you come home to me

And I said, hey A-Rod why don't you settle down
LA's your kind of town
You'll get your money for nothin' and all your chicks for free
I'm the poster known on The Tubes as D4P
I'm the poster known on The Tubes as D4Peeeeee—eee-eeee

2007-09-28 07:36:24
2.   Jon Weisman
Actually, if the NPUT comes after the comment, you haven't really been LATed.
2007-09-28 07:38:22
3.   D4P
Then I was D4Ped.
2007-09-28 07:42:58
4.   D4P
If Ned defies Plaschke and opts for a full-fledged Youth Movement, will Billy call for Ned's ouster?
2007-09-28 07:44:04
5.   capdodger
1 That sounds good to me. When does the A-Rod collection plate start to go around?
2007-09-28 07:47:12
6.   Terry A
4 - Probably. But then later, if/when it works, he'll do some major kissing up and note that back in 2007 he wrote that the kids should be kept.
2007-09-28 07:54:58
7.   Bumsrap
If the obvious wasn't obvious before last night for Grady and Ned, perhaps Kent deserves credit for making the obvious obvious to those that just can't see the obvious.
2007-09-28 07:56:19
8.   Bob Timmermann
7
Obviously.
2007-09-28 08:00:31
9.   Bumsrap
During 2007 there was an opportunity to dip into the minors instead of adding Hernandez, Hillibrand, Loaiza, Wells. Before 2007 started there was an opportunity to not add Nomar. And anybody with an eye to the future, some vision, would not have given Kent the 2008 option.

But if what Little is saying represents the Dodger direction, better late than never.

2007-09-28 08:06:52
10.   WillieD
Nice post, Jon. Would love for the Dodgers to follow Ross Newhan's advice to the hilt.
2007-09-28 08:09:41
11.   Im So Blue
For those who were wondering if it would appear in the print edition of the LA Times Sports section, Baseball Hall of Fame member Ross Newhan's commentary appears on page 8, accompanied by a photo of James Loney.

Most of the front page (67%) is devoted to an NHL preview; "Dodgers are not kidding about this" (Jon's first referenced article) is the main headline, and Plaschke's column (on Mitch Kupchak) is the other item on the front page, below the fold.

2007-09-28 08:11:16
12.   ToyCannon
1
Nice

I was never a big fan of Newhan's when he was full time at the Times, as he wouldn't know an OPS if it hit him in the face, but luckily he understands the counting numbers. Great to see him go toe to toe with Bill on this.

2007-09-28 08:12:14
13.   Sam DC
I'm glad you changed the title because I would have been nervous waiting for "Return of the Veterans."
2007-09-28 08:13:19
14.   Bob Timmermann
13
Where I work, the title would have been "Return of the Veteran's"
2007-09-28 08:19:11
15.   Kevin Lewis
a subtle difference
2007-09-28 08:20:30
16.   LogikReader
This I culled from last night's posting but seems more appropriate here:
--

So let's review the timeline of the last two days:

Plachke makes a push to Trade Kemp.

Josh Rawitch defends magmt from the standpoint that they won't suddenly trade Kemp
USS Mariner defends Kemp
True Blue LA defends Kemp
Molly Knight defends Kemp
Dave Stewart defends Kemp
San Gabriel Valley reporter (scanman) defends Kemp
Baseball-Prospectus Defends Kemp
Baseball-Reference Defends Kemp
Grady Little defends Kemp
Ross Newhan defends Kemp

I have a feeling nobody has stepped up to defend Plaschke.

--

Hey btw, GO KINGS GO! GO KINGS GO!

2007-09-28 08:20:43
17.   Kevin Lewis
I was at the game last night, and the crowd was still quite into the game. Lots of people and lots of blue in the crowd...I admit, I left after the end of the 7th, and I am glad I did when I heard the score went up to 10-3 after I left. I am amazed at the Rockies' 2,3,4,5,6 hitters. Those guys have some serious numbers.
2007-09-28 08:21:23
18.   capdodger
14 Where I work, the title would have been "Return of the Veteran's"

Thats odd.

2007-09-28 08:21:32
19.   Sam DC
Ryan Zimmerman for the Gold Glove -- http://tinyurl.com/2h3twe

Detailed collection of video clips and a run through the stats.

2007-09-28 08:28:24
20.   ryu
16 But how many casual fans will recognize the names of the Kemp defenders?
2007-09-28 08:29:04
21.   ryu
Except maybe Grady Little and Newhan.
2007-09-28 08:31:49
22.   capdodger
21 Those are two rather big names.
2007-09-28 08:38:05
23.   CajunDodger
5
A-Rod= 4 million tickets
A-Rod= Best overall lineup in the West for the next 5 years (A-Rod, Kemp, Loney as 3-4-5 hitters)
A-Rod= Ability to trade LaRoche for the innings eater that we need
A-Rod= A Cajun Mancrush
2007-09-28 08:44:26
24.   Jon Weisman
16 - Just for the sake of completeness ... Dodger Thoughts defends Kemp.
2007-09-28 08:47:37
25.   The Mootz
24 - And for that Matt Kemp says, "You complete me."
2007-09-28 08:49:45
26.   Humma Kavula
16

Humma Kavula buys a Matt Kemp #27 T-Shirt. I speak with my dollars!

2007-09-28 08:51:48
27.   Humma Kavula
It makes me wonder, though... can't we get Hu a better number than #60? If it's meaningful to him, the guy has a right to any number he wants... but if it was just the uniform number that was lying around and available, let's get him something better next season, yes?
2007-09-28 08:53:14
28.   Nagman
The Jacksonville 5 should now be known as the Scapegoat 5. That's pretty much the story, isn't it? Kent said the kids are the reason why this team failed and then other veterans piled on.

Derek Lowe is offending me more than anybody else. He keeps saying this needs to be cleared up before spring, yet he keeps talking about it.

2007-09-28 08:53:48
29.   Sam DC
David Byrne described his trip to Graceland, and other sights from driving his daughter across the country. http://tinyurl.com/3daukl

(found at Your Daily Awesome)

2007-09-28 08:57:50
30.   LogikReader
Yes, absolutely Jon. DT was in Kemp's corner from the very beginning.
2007-09-28 09:04:15
31.   LogikReader
Maybe we can start a campaign for Kemp such as the "Jon Weisman's Dodger Thoughts Los Angeles Matt Kemp Memorial Celebrity Superstar-Potential Awareness Pro-Am Fun Run Race For The Truth"
2007-09-28 09:10:37
32.   Humma Kavula
31

Matt Kemp Memorial

Did I miss a headline?

2007-09-28 09:13:27
33.   LogikReader
The "memorial" tag is part of the joke, actually :)
2007-09-28 09:14:54
34.   wronghanded
31 I dunno, I did eat a big bowl of fettucini alfredo.
2007-09-28 09:17:44
35.   Andrew Shimmin
Where did Baseball Prospectus, or Baseball-Reference comment on Kemp?
2007-09-28 09:17:58
36.   underdog
34 And I didn't drink any water, in honor of rabies victims.

Man, did Dwight really put whatsherface's cat in the freezer? That's some cold stuff.

2007-09-28 09:19:48
37.   wronghanded
36 He's just a farmer, its hard for us city folk to understand.
2007-09-28 09:20:05
38.   LogikReader
35

One of the two had the Matt Kemp stats page sponsored by Enders, so maybe that doesn't quite count.

2007-09-28 09:20:07
39.   Andrew Shimmin
36- You don't understand: he's a farmer. He does the things that need to be done; he does the things that city-folk are too gentle to do.
2007-09-28 09:22:07
40.   ToyCannon
31
Only if I get to walk hand in hand with the brightest smile in Hollywood.
2007-09-28 09:24:14
41.   wronghanded
39 Maybe we can find that monkey-face with antlers and a porcupine body who put a jinx on our Dodgers and made Grady play the old guys all year.
2007-09-28 09:26:48
42.   goofus
3 Shouldn't that be D4Ped on?
2007-09-28 09:27:19
43.   ToyCannon
I was giving one my cats a saline solution for kidney problems while watching the show. You need to inject them and it is a bit of a nuisance. For a brief moment I wondered if she'd be better off in a freezer but I never lived on a farm.
2007-09-28 09:27:26
44.   ryu
Did you feel that tremble?
2007-09-28 09:27:47
45.   LAT
"Transitional integration"

This seems like the perfect term to describe this season and its a term Frank and Ned should adopt. "This was a season of transitional integration. We had hoped it would go better but it was a necessary growing pain to bridge some of our home grown young stars to the major league level." We believe we achived this and next season all systems should be go for these kids. It should also allow use to use our payroll to acquire a player or two fo distinction this off season"

The silence from Frank and Ned on this issue is too loud.

2007-09-28 09:28:46
46.   LAT
44. It was a fairly sharp jolt in West LA
2007-09-28 09:30:49
47.   Andrew Shimmin
43- If you ever need the name of a great taxidermist, shoot me an email. Okay, maybe he's not great, but he's above average.
2007-09-28 09:31:37
48.   blue22
36 - Angela's line about her shredded french fry bags in the freezer got the biggest laugh out of me.
2007-09-28 09:32:56
49.   ToyCannon
46
http://quake.usgs.gov/recenteqs/Quakes/quakes0.html

2.7 centered in SM

2007-09-28 09:33:45
50.   CajunDodger
44, 46
It has not shown up here yet: http://www.kfwb.com/pages/7876.php
Show/Hide Comments 51-100
2007-09-28 09:34:16
51.   Bob Timmermann
2.7 on the Richter scale is the preliminary reading.

http://www.data.scec.org/recenteqs/Quakes/ci10282993.html

2007-09-28 09:35:17
52.   ToyCannon
Slackers
2007-09-28 09:44:48
53.   ToyCannon
Who knew that a 2.7 would shut down DT.
2007-09-28 09:49:44
54.   CajunDodger
53
(Knocking on wood)
Since moving from Louisiana I have yet to feel anything more than what a good stiff wind would do to me if I were standing on a street corner.

My family always says that I am nuts for living out here while ignoring the fact that they just had a flood that basically destroyed the top metro center in the entire state and they have frequent tornadoes...but I'm nuts.

2007-09-28 09:49:46
55.   Ken Arneson
53 It's especially odd, considering that the server is located in Virginia.
2007-09-28 09:51:05
56.   JoeyP
He's missed a whole year and his location is off," said Little. "Hopefully, he'll be ready to go in Spring Training. Looking forward to seeing the whole Esteban Loaiza. It hasn't been long since the guy won 20 games."

Interesting quote from Little. The 20-games part makes me cringe.

As a Dodger this season, Loaiza is 1-4 with an 8.34 ERA, compared to Schmidt's 1-4 with a 6.31. Loaiza lost his last four starts, reaching the fifth inning in none, while posting a 10.34 ERA and allowing eight homers in 15 2/3 innings.

Not good.

The Rockies are a good example of that," said Little. "At this point, it's paying off for them. L.A. may be a little different than Denver, Colorado. It's going to take some time."

So its "LA" that wont accept the youth movement.

2007-09-28 09:56:25
57.   Greg Brock
54 I had this argument a ton when I lived in New England. They were terrified of earthquakes, while people were sliding off icy roads and freezing to death every winter. Even when I compared casualty numbers with earthquakes and inclement weather in the North, they wouldn't back down.

Some people are really afraid of earthquakes.

2007-09-28 09:59:59
58.   LogikReader
Earthquakes themselves are harmless, as long as you're not near or inside a building.
2007-09-28 10:03:34
59.   CajunDodger
57
I have been in a tornado...right in the path of the thing and can tell you that I would rather take my chances out here. I was also around for Hurricane Andrew about 12 years ago and would just as soon put up with the possibility of a big quake once every 10 years or so rather than having a SEASON EVERY YEAR where you are just waiting to see a hurricane come ashore.
2007-09-28 10:04:09
60.   blue22
57 - People are really afraid of the "Big One", not just the little quakers. And after seeing some modeling of what a big one would do, echoing and ricocheting off of the solid LA basin, it's pretty damn terrifying. But there's just as good a chance that you get hit by a bus today, so who knows?

58 - It's times like these that I really appreciate working in the middle of a cornfield.

2007-09-28 10:06:29
61.   LogikReader
I also appreciate living about 100 miles away in SB, although it too has its share of large earthquakes. A "big one" is inevitable, the key is to be prepared.
2007-09-28 10:09:52
62.   Kevin Lewis
Myth: Only three people are involved in the Matt Kemp rumors

Fact: Four people are affected every year by trade rumors focused on Matt Kemp

2007-09-28 10:10:41
63.   Bob Timmermann
57
One of the deadliest earthquakes in recorded history in what is know the United States hit in Massachusetts in 1755.

Massachusetts is one of the few states with seismic codes that are comparable to California.

2007-09-28 10:13:23
64.   blue22
I live in Seattle now, so I've added the threat of an active volcano to the equally likely eartquake activity. I just like living on the edge.
2007-09-28 10:13:48
65.   capdodger
57 I'm not sure it's so much of a fear of earthquakes as much as it's a fear of something that's just unknown. I was in Mammoth over the summer with a number of my college friends. All of them grew up in New England, and were somewhat skeptical about vacationing inside an active volcanic caldera. I told them that, at most, we'd probably feel some minor earthquakes. Somehow that didn't calm their fears.

Sure enough, on the second day we were there, there were a few 3.6 - 4.0 earthquakes a few miles southeast of town. During the first one, they were surprised, and had no idea what was happening. I had to inform them that, yes, this is indeed an earthquake, and it would behoove them to move away from the windows. By the third one, they were almost giddy about the ground moving.

2007-09-28 10:14:05
66.   Disabled List
More stomach-churning developments, courtesy of Jon Heyman in SI.com. Bold is mine:

Owner Frank McCourt is "quite upset" with the Dodgers' performance down the stretch, according to a source close to the team. But while people in the front office are bracing for change, two Dodgers observers say they are fairly sure that GM Ned Colletti is "safe." However, Grady Little could still be in a little trouble, according to those people.

Nobody is predicting that Little will be fired yet, but if he is, Dusty Baker could be a candidate for the job. Baker, a longtime Dodgers player, managed the Giants when Colletti was in the front office there. Baker is also close to Jeff Kent, who has the ear of McCourt's wife, Jamie, the team's vice chairman and president, if the Dodgers do decide to make a change.

The Dodgers' clubhouse situation is dreadful, according to people close to the situation. The older players believe many of the top young prospects have shown them no respect. Some of those complaints have legitimacy. But one problem is a lack of strong veteran leadership since the defection of Greg Maddux to the rival Padres.

Little was known for running a cohesive clubhouse in Boston (that was supposed to be his strength), but he recently admitted that he was unable to bridge the generation gap that exists in the L.A. locker room, as Kent has recently aired the dirty clubhouse laundry in the Los Angeles papers.

2007-09-28 10:16:17
67.   Greg Brock
63 That's really weird. There's no tectonic plate ridge near the East Coast.

I guess I could look up why Mass has earthquakes, but I'm not going to.

2007-09-28 10:17:50
68.   JoeyP
Didnt McCourt fire the bad chemistry guy (DePo)?
2007-09-28 10:17:54
69.   capdodger
66 NO. NO NO NO, NO!
2007-09-28 10:17:57
70.   gpellamjr
67 Yeah, I prefer just to think Bob is lying. It's easier that way.
2007-09-28 10:17:58
71.   LogikReader
I knew it! Ned is trying to turn our team into the Giants... arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!
2007-09-28 10:18:38
72.   LogikReader
Why should anyone get fired? You can't fire the veteran players... are we really going to make Grady the fall guy? Bad move.
2007-09-28 10:19:18
73.   gpellamjr
68 Yes, and Colletti brought in just the right mix of veteran leadership and youth. And he made sure that we had plenty of pitching depth.
2007-09-28 10:19:19
74.   Greg Brock
66 Again with Heyman and the "Kent has McCourt's wife's ear" thing. What's the deal with that? Why is Heyman the only one who talks about this "connection?"

And can we wildly speculate? I'd like to.

2007-09-28 10:21:33
75.   Disabled List
The way this has been spun, it sounds like Jeff Kent is practically the assistant GM of the team.
2007-09-28 10:21:52
76.   underdog
I remember a day long ago when I wished Dusty Baker was our manager instead of the Giants'. That day has long passed.

Why would Dusty Baker have done any better with the difficult clubhouse situation than Grady Little?

The thing is, whatever Little's mistakes and dumb in game moves, and he had quite a few, this team could do a lot WORSE, too. The grass is always greener with managers, but it's usually deceptive. If they're gonna fire Grady and go with someone else, AND go with the youth movement like Little was suggesting, then they should hire a younger upstart guy - but obviously that wouldn't fly with Jeff Kent.

Better idea: Fire Jeff Kent, and Colletti. Keep Grady. Move on.

2007-09-28 10:21:58
77.   capdodger
63 All that masonary construction sitting on landfill? Yeesh... That would be ugly.
2007-09-28 10:23:55
78.   D4P
Jeff Kent, who has the ear of McCourt's wife, Jamie

I wonder which part Derek has.

2007-09-28 10:25:06
79.   Bob Timmermann
67
You don't need a tectonic plate for a fault to develop. New England doesn't have big faults, but they've got some. The area also has liquefaction areas.

Missouri and South Carolina have also had very destructive earthquakes.

2007-09-28 10:25:35
80.   Disabled List
78 I wonder which part Derek has.

Now, now.

2007-09-28 10:25:46
81.   CajunDodger
66
We may as well ask Dr. Jobe to sharpen his scalpels for all the Tommy John surgeries that will erupt in Kershaw and Billingsley when they are on their 140th pitch in the 8th inning.

I never thought I would say this, but unless Girardi is on their radar screen, keep Little.

2007-09-28 10:28:25
82.   Greg Brock
81 Spot on. Managers should be judged on their capacity to ruin a team, not improve it. And Grady, while often maddening, limits the damage.

If any of these moves come to pass, including Dusty, the Dodgers are going to become a laughing stock.

2007-09-28 10:31:15
83.   El Lay Dave
66 ...two Dodgers observers ...

T.J. Simers and Bill Plaschke?

2007-09-28 10:31:16
84.   CajunDodger
79
There is an oxbow lake called False River in New Roads, Louisiana that was created when an 3 insanely big quakes (somewhere in the 8 range apparently) hit Missouri and reversed the flow of the Mississippi River for a short time.

Check it out here on the USGS website: http://tinyurl.com/cqgj

2007-09-28 10:31:50
85.   capdodger
70 There are three theories (from a Boston Globe article 'Boston's Earthquake Problem', May 28, 2006):
1. The rock is uplifting because of the removal of the last ice age's glaciars. (An old theory.)
2. The North American plate is crunching together due to it's collision with the Pacific plate. (Think beercan. Push on the ends and it ripples in the middle.)
3. Earthquakes in New England are all aftershocks of a much larger prehistoric quake. (A newer theory at the time the article was written.)
2007-09-28 10:32:34
86.   Sam DC
I'm amazed we've gotten this far without a Rule 13 violation.

To be honest, I almost violated Rule 13 and I am one of it's biggest supporters.

I am really bummed out by the Dodgers these days, which is a shame.

2007-09-28 10:32:34
87.   silverwidow
There's a MINOTAUR on the cover of baseballamerica.com

A literally electric minotaur at that.

2007-09-28 10:34:13
88.   Dark Horse
82-Truer words were never spoken, nor ever more true.

Why don't we cheer ourselves up by considering that Colletti's job is "probably" safe. That's a step down from "best hire I ever made."

2007-09-28 10:34:30
89.   Humma Kavula
Wait a minute.

Nobody is predicting that Little will be fired yet, but if he is, Dusty Baker could be a candidate for the job.

Nobody is predicting that George W. Bush and Dick Cheney will be impeach, but if they are, the Democrats might not win another election until the year 20,000.

Nobody is predicting that "Mr. Bean's Holiday" will be awarded Best Picture, but if it is, Rowan Atkinson might be declared Emperor of Hollywood.

I mean, really.

2007-09-28 10:34:38
90.   LogikReader
13? I do not see a 13.

Anyway, I can't find said article from Jon Heyman... SI is very hard to navigate.

2007-09-28 10:35:17
91.   capdodger
90 Don't talk about rule 13.
2007-09-28 10:36:22
92.   El Lay Dave
66 Baker is also close to Jeff Kent...

This will be news to Milton Bradley.

The Baker speculation is unattributed, so this is Heyman just applying a manu-rectal technique to create material.

2007-09-28 10:37:23
93.   Andrew Shimmin
I'd been riding high,
But I don't know why,
Everybody wants to send me down,
To the Valley of Tears...

People stand in line,
Just to hear me cry,
I want to know the other side...

But everyone I choose,
Only brings bad news.
Everybody wants to send me down,
To the Valley of Tears.

2007-09-28 10:37:49
94.   Greg Brock
90 First rule of Rule 13 is don't talk about Rule 13.

That would make it Rule 13(a).

2007-09-28 10:39:42
95.   LogikReader
Sorry for jumping to conclusions the way Mr. Heyman has. I should know better than to be baited by columnists like him or Simers.

I'll be going to tonights game, plus I'll be rooting for the Rockies against Arizona.

Post 90 never happened.

2007-09-28 10:39:43
96.   Ken Noe
66 76 Two things we can conclude if Little gets canned: his bestest pal Ned is a frightened back-stabber, and Kent is more dangerous rat than I thought. I don't look for it though. Desconstruct Heyrman and its pure speculation. Two observers say...Baker was there with NedCo...Kent and Baker are pals...yada yada yada.
2007-09-28 10:40:15
97.   El Lay Dave
90 http://tinyurl.com/2nbj55

But 66 contains the entire text on the Dodgers topic.

2007-09-28 10:40:26
98.   Bob Timmermann
85
In 1755, a lot of the theories had to do with God's wrath for wickedness.

Or that an earthquake was preferable to a volcano.

2007-09-28 10:41:58
99.   Greg Brock
95 It's okay. I'll explain:

Rule 13 is when you talk abo

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2007-09-28 10:43:18
100.   Greg Brock
98 I was going to make a witchcraft joke earlier. Should have gone with it.
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2007-09-28 10:43:28
101.   Jon Weisman
Just want to say 62 made me laugh out loud.
2007-09-28 10:44:15
102.   Humma Kavula
89 I forgot one.

Nobody is predicting that the Dodgers will make the playoffs in 2007, but if they do, it could damage the fabric of space-time and threaten the existence of life on earth.

2007-09-28 10:45:04
103.   El Lay Dave
Can someone help me dissect journalistic jargon? When Heyman writes, "a source close to the team", who exactly does that exclude? That doesn't necessarily someone employed by the Dodgers, does it? Can it mean a beat writer? Eliza Dushku? Jamie McCourt's BFF?
2007-09-28 10:45:35
104.   underdog
96 That's fair - Heyman, like a lot of sports columnists with too much time on their hands, often conjures up stories by connecting a few loose, random dots.

92 "a manu-rectal technique" sounds like a rule 1 violation, or one of the lessons from a med school handbook.

2007-09-28 10:46:21
105.   Ken Noe
103 I'm guessing you already nailed it in 83 .
2007-09-28 10:46:37
106.   CajunDodger
98
How about this? Many churches in the smaller towns in Louisiana were saying that the Northridge quake was the result of the Porn capital of the world in Van Nuys being less than 2 miles away.

I nearly got slapped by my buddy's grandmother when I suggested that God needed to work on his aim a bit since he was off by a couple of miles.

2007-09-28 10:47:02
107.   underdog
Can we just call them the collective "Plaschkers" from now on?
2007-09-28 10:48:02
108.   Humma Kavula
105 Hey, every newspaperman knows he needs two sources for a story... without that, it's just baseless, rank speculation.
2007-09-28 10:48:12
109.   Bob Timmermann
98
But Chatsworth is the Porn Capital.

Van Nuys just has gentlemen's clubs and motels with hourly rates.

2007-09-28 10:49:20
110.   underdog
106 Yikes. So what was Hurricane Katrina, dare I ask? Punishment for those same smaller townsfolk secretly watching said porn from the Valley?

Which reminds me, I always wondered about religious wide receivers who point in thanks to God for their touchdown. Find myself hoping that God has a lot better things to do with his/her time than check in to the Titans/Browns game.

2007-09-28 10:50:14
111.   Greg Brock
103 I had a professor who used to write for a very prominent newspaper tell me about the sources he used on background in the White House.

This "White House insider" worked for the maintenance staff. Really.

2007-09-28 10:52:01
112.   Ken Noe
104 Plus, is there any reason to think NedCo liked Baker in SF, or wanted him to stay on? Does anyone know that?

Besides, for Kent to have Jamie's ear, he'd have to speak. I'm guessing that even his rookie tirade was clipped and pasted out of Cycle World and hand-delivered to Simers.

2007-09-28 10:58:35
113.   Daniel Zappala
I remember being in a residential computer room (of course) at Stanford during the Loma Prieta earthquake and having to tell all the students who were not from California that they really really should get under the desks because this was a big one.
2007-09-28 10:59:25
114.   CajunDodger
110
It seems that judgment only happened to "those liberal _______ lovers (fill in the blank with anything other than white heterosexuals)" in CA and NY. When stuff happened to them, it was a "test of faith".

Ahhhh, the South. I still love visiting there, though. It is gradually getting better, what with the Internets and cable and all...

Again, this is just the small town I grew up in.

2007-09-28 11:02:39
115.   capdodger
98 That explains why you couldn't buy beer on Sunday. It was an earthquake prevention measure.
2007-09-28 11:05:16
116.   Ken Noe
114 A woman used to write incessantly to our local paper in Georgia about tornadoes evincing the wrath of a God angry about abortion. Then a tornado leveled a church in Alabama and killed everyone inside. Last I heard she had turned to the internet to advocate seizing nuclear weapons in order to force the creation of an anti-abortion new Confederacy.
2007-09-28 11:06:46
117.   capdodger
113 It is funny to watch the reactions of people who have not grown up drilling for The Big One when one happens. They just freeze.
2007-09-28 11:08:43
118.   Jon Weisman
I know you all are being cheerful, but when I start to see God, the White House, abortion, etc, I start to get a little nervous about where the comment thread is going to end up heading.
2007-09-28 11:10:46
119.   Greg Brock
118 So, I can't talk about who really caused 9/11?

Stupid political rules {grumble...}

2007-09-28 11:12:00
120.   Ken Noe
118 It's all Kemp's fault.
2007-09-28 11:13:29
121.   capdodger
119 Illegal Aliens.

From Omicron Persei 8.

2007-09-28 11:17:49
122.   CajunDodger
116
That's just a whole different flavor of crazy...
2007-09-28 11:18:26
123.   CajunDodger
118
Gotcha...
2007-09-28 11:18:56
124.   caseybarker
I believe it was the Galgemecs...
2007-09-28 11:19:32
125.   CajunDodger
116
I wonder if that lady is the "source close to the Dodgers" Heyman is talking to...
2007-09-28 11:20:37
126.   Disabled List
120 actually made me LOL.

I think he was responsible for the earthquake and Hurricane Katrina, too.

2007-09-28 11:22:01
127.   CajunDodger
118
Reptillian Shapeshifters from the Planet Gorlog.

At least that is what "sources close to the Dodgers" told me.

2007-09-28 11:24:32
128.   underdog
121 "It's true what they say. Women are from Omicron Persei 7, men are from Omicron Persei 9."

--
Cajun, I may be in Nawlins for a day or so at the end of October if you have any suggestions. .. (Been there a couple of times not that long ago.) And then making a road trip to Florida from there, which is a much scarier place imho.

2007-09-28 11:27:15
129.   LogikReader
Unrelated note:

I was sad to see that the longtime Dodger Stadium peanut vendor is retiring this year, after something like nearly 50 years of service. I've actually had that great peanut guy serve me bags of peanuts in my lifetime, probably a number of times.

He was pretty good at what he did, but I'm glad he had a good run.

2007-09-28 11:28:00
130.   underdog
"So... Humans have easily injured knees... My race will find this information very useful indeed! Muhuhahahaha!"

Sorry, I was channeling Morbo for a moment.

2007-09-28 11:28:15
131.   ImprobableImpossible
118
Sources close to the Dodgers told me that these are the sorts of conversations that actually split the clubhouse into two factions.
2007-09-28 11:29:04
132.   D4P
121
"We want the one you call 'McCourt'. Give us McCourt or we will lay waste to your cities with our anti-monument laser! We demand McCourt!"
2007-09-28 11:31:10
133.   El Lay Dave
112 Good point. Dusty was not rehired after the Giants' World Series season.
2007-09-28 11:32:12
134.   Terry A
129 - Sources told me he is retiring because the young peanut vendors don't do things the right way. They don't show the respect they ought to.

Plus, one of them moved a trash can one time.

2007-09-28 11:32:51
135.   underdog
132 "And now a rebuttal from President McNeal."

See, Futurama Thoughts are much less likely to include a rule 5 violation, though they may scare off Xei.

Maybe some day there will be an episode featuring Matt Kemp's head floating in a jar.

2007-09-28 11:34:07
136.   ToyCannon
129
It is amazing to me that men who seemed middle aged were selling me peanuts in the early 70's and are still doing so in 2007.

The changes these guys have seen in 50 years at DS would make for an interesting discussion.

2007-09-28 11:35:11
137.   CajunDodger
128
Don't miss Mother's for breakfast, Johnny's Po Boys for lunch ( on Saint Louis St., get the shrimp Po Boy) or Commander's Palace for dinner (get reservations now).

The Le Pavillion is the coolest hotel in town and about 6 blocks off the Mississippi and Jackson Square (It's supposedly haunted, they serve free PB&J with homemade hot cocoa at night, and have some of the coolest decor East of Vegas).

2007-09-28 11:36:12
138.   Greg Brock
When reached for comment, McCourt said that he was too busy trying to find his wife's missing ear. Sources close to the Dodgers speculate that second baseman Jeff Kent may have it.

It's in his locker, next to the motorcycle magazines.

2007-09-28 11:38:17
139.   Jon Weisman
New post up top.

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