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Savor That Aroma
2007-09-29 15:40
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

The James Loney '84

* * *

Tonight's game:

Gameday

Retro Gameday

Comments (499)
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2007-09-29 15:49:43
1.   LAT
In a bit of irony, Tony Gwynn Jr Ties game in bottom of the 9th
2007-09-29 15:49:44
2.   Eric Stephen
Somewhere, Tim Kurkjian is saying "This is why baseball is such a great game" regarding Tony Gwynn Jr. standing in the way of the Padres making the playoffs.
2007-09-29 15:49:45
3.   Vishal
GTIO?
2007-09-29 15:50:00
4.   Vishal
ohhh game thread is open.
2007-09-29 15:50:10
5.   MC Safety
how ironic tony gwynn jr putting the pads playoff celebration on hold.
2007-09-29 15:50:58
6.   LAT
Hoffman blows save. 6th of the season. Brewers winning run on 3rd
2007-09-29 15:51:11
7.   Vishal
OH MAN INTERCEPTION!!!!!!1
2007-09-29 15:51:31
8.   Bluebleeder87
rom ItD todays lineup:

Pierre, CF
Valdez, 2B
Kemp, RF
Loney, 1B
Martin, C
Young, LF
LaRoche, 3B
Hu, SS
Billingsley, P

________________________________

Martin batting 5th is a little surprising, I'm glad Grady is starting to like D.Young more & more.

2007-09-29 15:51:41
9.   LAT
Going to extra innings in Mil.
2007-09-29 15:52:06
10.   alexx
Wooo!
2007-09-29 15:53:05
11.   Marty
Do Cal and UCLA have the same fight song?
2007-09-29 15:53:05
12.   Bluebleeder87
Vishal, GTIO = G ame T hread I s O pen
2007-09-29 15:53:36
13.   Marty
How does Hoffman remain a closer. He never throws a fastball anymore.
2007-09-29 15:53:56
14.   LAT
That was so UCLA!!!
2007-09-29 15:56:03
15.   Louis in SF
Hearing Matt V almost cry when Gwynn Jr got the hit was priceless...Yes this whay baseball is a great game!
2007-09-29 15:56:04
16.   Gagne55
8 I want to know the name of the guy playing shortstop.
2007-09-29 15:56:05
17.   Eric Stephen
13 Volume, Marty. Volume.
2007-09-29 15:56:38
18.   Bob Timmermann
11
They have the same melody for one of their fight songs, but different lyrics and they are played at slightly different tempos.
2007-09-29 16:00:05
19.   LAT
Oregon giving Cal one last run. Ball at the 20 with .39 to play
2007-09-29 16:00:40
20.   Ghost of Carlos Perez
I think I've got it figured out...

Bob spends lots of time at the library + Bob knows everything...

Bob = Kim Peek

2007-09-29 16:01:26
21.   Vishal
what a nailbiter.
2007-09-29 16:02:10
22.   Vishal
20 well, bob also happened to attend both ucla and cal.
2007-09-29 16:03:06
23.   LAT
This is a wild game.
2007-09-29 16:03:43
24.   Bluebleeder87
I don't know one iota about football & I'm kind of ashamed to admit that...
2007-09-29 16:04:27
25.   Bluebleeder87
the Phillies are down to there final 2 outs.
2007-09-29 16:04:35
26.   MC Safety
Listen to Dan Fouts. That was great.
2007-09-29 16:05:28
27.   trainwreck
Dan Fouts is dying inside.
2007-09-29 16:05:35
28.   Gagne55
clearly out before the goal line
2007-09-29 16:08:09
29.   Vishal
oh my god. what a relief.
2007-09-29 16:08:49
30.   trainwreck
Time to watch the Bruins.

Sigh.

2007-09-29 16:10:02
31.   Marty
That was a fun game to watch.
2007-09-29 16:11:33
32.   dzzrtRatt
Da Bears!

No worse than #5 now.

How common is it for refs to blow a Field Goal call?

2007-09-29 16:11:38
33.   Marty
It's also fun to listen to "analyst" Eric Karros try to figure out the playoff permutations.
2007-09-29 16:11:44
34.   Greg Brock
Wow. Bummer, Ducks.

On the other hand...Go Beavers!

2007-09-29 16:13:37
35.   Vishal
34 lol, a little reverse psychology with yourself?
2007-09-29 16:13:43
36.   gpellamjr
Did anyone else notice the irony of Tony Gwynn Jr.'s being the one to get the game tying hit?
2007-09-29 16:14:41
37.   trainwreck
35
He wants Dorrell fired.

UCLA is going to need a losing record for that to happen.

2007-09-29 16:14:55
38.   Greg Brock
35 No, a little sabotage to get a coach fired. We must destroy the village in order to save it.

Lose.

2007-09-29 16:16:13
39.   natepurcell
what the hell is jason lane doing?
2007-09-29 16:16:29
40.   LAT
Prince Fielder hurt on head first slide into 1B by Jason Lane.
2007-09-29 16:16:39
41.   Vishal
38 what would you call that... big picture fandom, i guess?
2007-09-29 16:17:39
42.   trainwreck
41
Hope.
2007-09-29 16:18:15
43.   Bob Timmermann
Greg Brock wants to frag Dorrell.
2007-09-29 16:18:55
44.   Bluebleeder87
Belly whopper by Jason Lane to no avail.
2007-09-29 16:18:59
45.   trainwreck
Even if Dorrell makes it through this year, he is gone for sure after next season. That team is going to be so young and he will start the mediocre veterans over the good young guys anyways.

No way we have a winning record.

2007-09-29 16:19:51
46.   LAT
Chef Emeril Lagasse" will throw out the ceremonial first pitch at Dodger Stadium before Saturday night's game against the Giants

John and friends will get to see the Grand Mashal of the Rose Parade and star of the Cooking Network in action.

2007-09-29 16:20:25
47.   Greg Brock
41 It's not like I'm happy about it. But yeah, big picture fandom nails it.

Oh, my. 14-0 Beavers. BUMMER.

2007-09-29 16:20:40
48.   LAT
Leadoff double for Mil
2007-09-29 16:21:22
49.   Marty
C'mon Brewers.
2007-09-29 16:21:58
50.   Bob Timmermann
Seems like UCLA's stranglehold on the top spot of the Pac-10 may come to an end today.
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2007-09-29 16:24:13
51.   Vishal
45 are you talking about dorrell or grady little?
2007-09-29 16:25:09
52.   LAT
Winning run at 3B with one out
2007-09-29 16:26:05
53.   Bluebleeder87
Brewers win 4-3
2007-09-29 16:26:11
54.   Marty
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
2007-09-29 16:26:18
55.   MC Safety
im a big vinny rottino fan. he just sounds like a hard nosed scrapper.
2007-09-29 16:26:27
56.   LAT
Brewers win. Keep the cork in the champagine
2007-09-29 16:27:37
57.   trainwreck
51
I knew that was coming.
2007-09-29 16:28:15
58.   LAT
What happens if Philly and Ny win and SD lose.
2007-09-29 16:28:39
59.   underdog
If the Padres don't end up making the playoffs, can we go to Ducksnorts to give them advice about what's wrong with their team and what they need to do to improve it?
2007-09-29 16:29:16
60.   LAT
55. The only non-macho Vinny ever is our announcer.
2007-09-29 16:30:07
61.   D4P
I seem to be the only one rooting for San Diego because of their Special Assistant to the General Manager of Baseball Operations Director.
2007-09-29 16:30:31
62.   Bob Timmermann
58
That depends upon what Colorado does the next two days.
2007-09-29 16:31:46
63.   Bob Timmermann
Since the Padres won't be in a must win situation tomorrow and will be in at least a Monday playoff, Brett Tomko will start Game 162 for the Padres tomorrow against Jeff Suppan.
2007-09-29 16:32:01
64.   Marty
58 Eric Karros wants to know too.
2007-09-29 16:32:41
65.   LAT
If NY, PHI and SD are all tied. DO they have a div playoff and the loser than has a playoff with SD and then the playoffs start?
2007-09-29 16:33:24
66.   Bob Timmermann
And the DBacks are the NL West champs and they have homefield advantage for the first two rounds.
2007-09-29 16:33:26
67.   berkowit28
61 Yes, you are. Not much of a reason.
2007-09-29 16:34:01
68.   Bob Timmermann
65
Yes.
2007-09-29 16:34:59
69.   D4P
Not much of a reason

But it represents something much larger, at least to me.

2007-09-29 16:37:05
70.   trainwreck
I can't remember what I said I would do if Notre Dame beats UCLA, but now I am scared.
2007-09-29 16:37:13
71.   Marty
Forcing UCLA fans to listen to Petros Papadakis is just piling on.
2007-09-29 16:37:30
72.   LAT
Bob, do you know how is home field determined for either series?
2007-09-29 16:37:40
73.   Bob Timmermann
Isn't rooting for the Padres because they have hired DePodesta somewhat similar to feeling that Colletti is more loyal to the Giants than the Dodgers.

Front office executives change jobs a lot. Managers change jobs. Players change jobs.

Their loyalty is to whomever signs their checks. Which may sound mercenary, but it certainly helps give the game a veneer of respectability.

2007-09-29 16:39:12
74.   trainwreck
70
Oh yeah, I said UCLA should just get rid of the football program.
2007-09-29 16:39:56
75.   D4P
73
It's less about loyalty and more about philosophy. I like the idea of San Diego's ostensible philosophy (and small payroll) making the playoffs, while Sabean/Colletti and their large payrolls don't.

I mean, shouldn't this idea make a lot of us happy (given that the Dodgers aren't going to make the playoffs)?

2007-09-29 16:40:52
76.   Vishal
73 today bob is the bucket of ice water that douses everybody's convictions.
2007-09-29 16:41:47
77.   Vishal
75 it's charming when it's oakland or minnesota. when it's in your own division it's just annoying.
2007-09-29 16:41:51
78.   Bluebleeder87
D4P seems to be loyal to sabermatricians & not the Dodgers
2007-09-29 16:42:44
79.   trainwreck
75
The D-Backs have the same philosophy.
2007-09-29 16:43:30
80.   Bluebleeder87
I'm about results, philosophy be damned...
2007-09-29 16:45:06
81.   trainwreck
A first down!
2007-09-29 16:45:41
82.   D4P
79
Then I guess I'm happy the D-Backs made the P-Offs too.
2007-09-29 16:49:23
83.   Bob Timmermann
72
Your questions should be answered here:
http://tinyurl.com/ynmfw4
2007-09-29 16:51:18
84.   Bob Timmermann
If you want to root for a philosophy, you might as well put on a sweater, grab your pom pons and start thinking of ways to work Aristotle, Kant, Hume, and Russell into a chant.
2007-09-29 16:52:27
85.   LAT
83. Thanks Bob.
2007-09-29 16:55:14
86.   Bluebleeder87
Travis Blackley is a Sept. call up I guess cause he only has 1 previous start, anyway he only allowed 2 ER's in 5 innings in that start.
2007-09-29 16:55:14
87.   Penarol1916
I thought that we were rooting against the Padres in order to ensure the protected 1st roud draft pick. If we lose today, do we clinch that spot?
2007-09-29 16:55:22
88.   Bob Timmermann
The DBacks should open the playoffs at Chase Field on October 3. They will play either Chicago (most likely), Philadelphia, or New York (less likely).
2007-09-29 16:56:40
89.   JoeyP
75--Exactly.

As long as the Yankees/Red Sox play against either Padres/Dbax then the right philosophy will have won out IMO.

The Yankees deserve to win because they use their funds to bring in the very best of the best players they can get. The Red Sox got Bill James/Epstein.

Dbax/Padres have the sabermetric thing going.

As long as it isnt a Cubs/Angels World Series, October baseball should be entertaining.

The Giants/Dodgers finishing in 4th/5th place is enough of a statement to McCourt that payroll allocation needs to be better if the Dodgers are to compete in the future. That would include giving Colletti the ax.

2007-09-29 16:56:58
90.   Bob Timmermann
87
The Dodgers have to finish with a worse record than the Brewers. If the two teams finish tied for 15th best record, the tiebreaker to determine who is 15 and who is 16 is 2006 record.
2007-09-29 16:57:04
91.   Uncle Miltie
Just got back from my first Ducks game. What a depressing ending :(
2007-09-29 16:58:51
92.   LAT
Glavin vs. D Train tomorrow in Mets/Marlin finale. Should be interesting to see which Willis shows up.
2007-09-29 17:00:09
93.   Bob Timmermann
I would find Cubs vs. Angels World Series very compelling.

The whole idea of rooting for a team because it was built the "right" way is one of the least interesting ways of choosing your favorite teams.

Just root for the team you like.

It's a sporting event. It's not some abstract intellectual exercise.

2007-09-29 17:00:35
94.   Andrew Shimmin
McCourt is still signing DePo's checks (half of them, anyway), isn't he? I understood the terms of his dumping to include paying off his contract, unless he found another GM job.
2007-09-29 17:01:44
95.   MC Safety
Id take place in an ancient far east suicide before i rooted for the padres or d backs. But I did like DePo.
2007-09-29 17:02:25
96.   D4P
91
Too bad they had to lose your first game. Did you make the trek across the Autzen footbridge over the Willamette? And is that US flag still up in the tree?
2007-09-29 17:02:46
97.   Bluebleeder87
I'm really stoked about Kelly Pavlik Vs. Jermain Taylor, I'm sure Greg Brock should be pretty happy about tonights fight as well, Pavlik (from what I understand) has AWESOME power but lacks J.Taylor's overall quickness which = a great great MATCH UP for the viewers.
2007-09-29 17:02:53
98.   Vishal
91 sorry, buddy. what a game, though!
2007-09-29 17:03:33
99.   Penarol1916
90. It's not head-to-head record when applicable? That's just a kick in the shorts.
2007-09-29 17:04:17
100.   Vishal
93 but i don't "like" either of those teams. in fact, if the rockies don't make the playoffs (and it doesn't look as if they will), i'd like none of the teams. though i suppose i'd want the NL west team to win it all.
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2007-09-29 17:06:47
101.   Marty
I'll be in Chicago Wednesday. I wonder if the Cubs will be home then. I doubt I have enough pull with Tribune to score tickets anyway.
2007-09-29 17:07:35
102.   Greg Brock
97 I think it's going to be an outstanding fight.
2007-09-29 17:07:47
103.   Bluebleeder87
95

I liked Home Depo as well it's to bad McCourt gave him the boot prematurely. I really felt he built a pretty good team in '05 of course the injuries happened & it all went down hill after that.

2007-09-29 17:08:32
104.   Bob Timmermann
99
I think the idea is that if you weren't all that good in 2006 and weren't all that good in 2007, you need help.
2007-09-29 17:08:45
105.   Vishal
97 i know less about boxing than you know about football.
2007-09-29 17:09:02
106.   Bob Timmermann
101
The Cubs will be on the road Wednesday.
2007-09-29 17:10:47
107.   trainwreck
I can't believe UCLA is this close.
2007-09-29 17:11:17
108.   MC Safety
If the best fighters would fight each other, boxing wouldnt be that bad. currently, its pretty bad.
2007-09-29 17:14:05
109.   Bob Timmermann
And with their season on the line, the Rockies send Mark Redman to the hill. And he throws a perfect first inning.
2007-09-29 17:14:37
110.   Greg Brock
108 I actually think we're in the best era of fighting since the early '80's, and the welterweight division and middleweight division are insanely good. The heavyweights stink, but I don't like the heavyweights anyway. Huge guys throwing 18 punches a round.
2007-09-29 17:15:04
111.   Andrew Shimmin
Does Cleveland meet with the philosopher warriors' approval? Also, how much money is Colletti going to throw at Joe Borowski in the off season? 43 Saves!
2007-09-29 17:15:16
112.   Bob Timmermann
107
Oregon State's QB has thrown 11 interceptions on the year now.
2007-09-29 17:17:26
113.   Uncle Miltie
96- yea I did...don't know about the flag. I was also there around 7:30 this morning to check out espn gameday. Autzen is a great place to watch a football game.
2007-09-29 17:18:15
114.   Linkmeister
UH 48, Idaho 10, 7:30 left in game.

I have no logical reasons for picking my rooting interests.

I'd love Cubs-Angels. I'm sick of Boston and NYY. Phillies would be fun, since they haven't been there since 1980. Cleveland too would be fun for similar reasons. Mets, okay only if Glavine could win another WS game. D-Backs/Padres, eh.

2007-09-29 17:18:23
115.   trainwreck
110
I agree, though I do wish the heavyweight division had more talent.
2007-09-29 17:18:56
116.   MC Safety
whats up with the huskies trying to look like notre dame? purple gets no love.
2007-09-29 17:19:51
117.   trainwreck
I am rooting for the Indians, that is it.

I do not really hate the D-Backs, but I know I will in the future as we battle them every year.

2007-09-29 17:21:25
118.   D4P
113
Autzen is a great place to watch a football game

Mac Court is great too. Be sure to go this year before they tear it down, and build another Nike Dome.

So, where are you living? How is school?

2007-09-29 17:24:21
119.   MC Safety
The heavyweight division is a laughing stock. The fact that Evander Holyfield can still step inside a ring says alot about the heavyweight division, and boxing in general imho.
2007-09-29 17:26:11
120.   Gagne55
111 None. He already has a closer. Borowski would have no role.
2007-09-29 17:28:39
121.   Andrew Shimmin
120- Danys Baez smiles and waves.
2007-09-29 17:29:26
122.   Bob Timmermann
When Uncle Miltie said he went to a Ducks game and found it depressing, I was wondering why he was in London.
2007-09-29 17:29:50
123.   Bob Timmermann
3-0 Rockies in the first.
2007-09-29 17:30:22
124.   Bluebleeder87
In a perfect world, I'd love to see a Cubbie Vs. Halos series but I wouldn't mind a Cubbie vs. BoSox series.
2007-09-29 17:34:26
125.   Greg Brock
119 Old fighters staying in the ring too long is as old as boxing. It's always been that way. I don't see how something that has always happened makes the sport bad now.
2007-09-29 17:36:41
126.   MC Safety
125- I was referring to his hgh/performance enhancing drug stigma, which is hard to ignore no matter how you slice it.
2007-09-29 17:37:38
127.   LAT
124. Long as the Cubs don't win. Baseball is better when the Cubs lose.
2007-09-29 17:37:47
128.   Bob Timmermann
4-0 Rockies in the 1st.

The NL playoff ship is headed for a rocky reef.

2007-09-29 17:38:20
129.   Greg Brock
126 It's hard to ignore in every sport that has HGH/PED problems.

So, it's hard to ignore in every sport.

2007-09-29 17:39:35
130.   Bluebleeder87
Pavlik can take a punch & he also has this calm cockyness about him that I find intriguing, but Jermaine Taylor brings big stage experience to the table & stealth like quickness, I really feel it's gonna be a pretty darn good fight.
2007-09-29 17:43:16
131.   Bluebleeder87
in other words IMHO Pavlik needs to knock out Taylor to win the fight, no way Pavlik goes all the way, He's got GREAT power to do it too.
2007-09-29 17:48:48
132.   Marty
SC loses half their starting OL on one play. This isn't looking good.
2007-09-29 17:49:24
133.   MC Safety
129- That is very true. When you think about it, why wouldnt an athlete try to get an edge? Although, I kind of ( sort of ) want to believe that it doesnt help you hit a baseball, but I dont think thats the case.
2007-09-29 17:52:42
134.   Andrew Shimmin
I'm starting to wonder if Oregon State's quarterback might not be very good at football.
2007-09-29 17:53:18
135.   Bluebleeder87
switching back to baseball (looking at Bills splits) Billingsley hasn't gone further than the 5th inning in his last 2 starts so hopefully he can end his season with a flurry. He last went to the 7th inning Sept. 2nd were he gave up 0 runs on only 4 hits. Talk about coming to his own, uh peepz.
2007-09-29 17:57:30
136.   Gagne55
The Rockies are doing their best to hold off the fishes.
2007-09-29 17:57:54
137.   Andrew Shimmin
135- He got into the sixth inning in both games of the last two games.
2007-09-29 18:00:19
138.   Gagne55
128 Is there even a set format for deciding the scenerio in which the Phils/Mets/Pads/Rockies all finish tied? If not, is it simply Bud Selig's decison?
2007-09-29 18:01:25
139.   LAT
Not that anyone cares but I just saw this. Whatever problem the Mets have had in the last two weeks they can't blame Shawn Green.

In the last 14 days:

BA .465
OPB . 595
OPS 1.276

2007-09-29 18:04:19
140.   Andrew Shimmin
I'm starting to wonder if UCLA's quarterback might not be very good at football.
2007-09-29 18:04:29
141.   Gagne55
139 That means he has a .681 slugging percentage by my calculations. :)
2007-09-29 18:04:49
142.   Gen3Blue
I like the lineup. I have a premonition that I won't get the game on DTV. It is not listed in the Extra Innings schedule. Inexplicably, I am at the moment getting the Fox Sports channel that will carry the D's/Giants game right now, but I think it will black-out at game time. The rules governing why I get various sports channels from all over the country at some times and not at others are incomprhensable. These are seperate from the baseball package.
But Gameday will be OK.
2007-09-29 18:05:46
143.   trainwreck
140
I read that pretty much no QB has been very good after going on a two year mission.

You can add Olson to the list.

2007-09-29 18:07:00
144.   Gagne55
140 I'm starting to wonder if USC is good at football. I'm fairly sure they'll win this game in the end but it ain't looking good so far.
2007-09-29 18:08:00
145.   Johnny Nucleo
142 This means there is no way to watch the game on TV in Boston? That'll affect my evening plans.
2007-09-29 18:13:31
146.   Vishal
144 you spoke too soon. people seem to be dropping like flies in that game though.
2007-09-29 18:15:19
147.   MC Safety
144- Outside the interception, Booty looks sharp. They should open it up pretty soon here.
2007-09-29 18:20:39
148.   Gen3Blue
145 I wish I could tell you for sure. The D's are on "Prime" which has always meant they were on DTV, (I think). So I am very surprised they are not listed. Right now I am getting 653 on DTV(a west coast sport station). We may need some luck, and mine has been running about like the D's lately.
2007-09-29 18:20:42
149.   goofus
Dis-regarding what we might do tonight and tomorrow, Do you realize if we had won a lousy one extra game every two weeks, we would be the division winner right now. Actually one more win out of every 16 games we played. Naturally, there are a multitude of reasons we lost, but if we could avoid losing the games we lost from bad manager decisions, we'd be home free. Grady Little must go. Colletti too.
2007-09-29 18:24:58
150.   LAT
This is the first game that I have really watched UCLA. They are not very good. Cal and USC are going to absolutly destroy them.
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2007-09-29 18:26:28
151.   Johnny Nucleo
148 I couldn't get the game last Saturday. In my experience when it isn't listed on Extra Innings that's a bad sign. I second your frustration with this system.
Nevertheless I am taking off the lab coat and going out to test my luck.
2007-09-29 18:30:44
152.   Greg Brock
150 I sure hope so.
2007-09-29 18:30:50
153.   Bluebleeder87
137

Sorry about that, I guess I didn't explain my self properly (what surprise) I guess I should have said he's gone INTO the 6th but not completed it? that's the best I can do bro.

2007-09-29 18:32:12
154.   alexx
As a Cal fan do i want USC to win or to lose?
2007-09-29 18:33:22
155.   trainwreck
154
Lose. You want to win the Pac-10.
2007-09-29 18:34:32
156.   regfairfield
How many teams wouldn't be in a playoff spot with 12 extra wins? Does their management need to go? How about the teams that wouldn't be helped with those wins, obviously they're even worse off.

Do I think Colletti seriously blew the roster construction this year? Yes, but firing a guy because we would be in a playoff spot with another 12 wins would but many GMs on the hot seat. Should Sheurholtz go? Jocketty? Melvin?

2007-09-29 18:36:48
157.   alexx
But I also want to gain some street cred when we potentially beat them. Hm.
2007-09-29 18:38:04
158.   silverwidow
Ned is about to give an interview on the pregame show.
2007-09-29 18:39:33
159.   trainwreck
157
You would get plenty of credit if you beat them.

Look at UCLA. Everyone thought we turned the corner.

Oopps.

2007-09-29 18:39:33
160.   WillieD
50 Go Beavers!
2007-09-29 18:42:06
161.   tjshere
I'm feeling your pain, Marty
2007-09-29 18:43:38
162.   Bluebleeder87
watching "The Insider" an exotic dancer has some pretty racy (in drag???) pictures of Oscar De La Hoya during his time in Phillie, wow. He claims they were photoshoped.
2007-09-29 18:44:13
163.   WillieD
Watching Colletti's interview on the pregame show, he does not sound like he has any thought of trading Kemp. "That's from the blog world."
2007-09-29 18:44:40
164.   Bluebleeder87
158

thanks much for the heads up silverwidow.

2007-09-29 18:45:11
165.   jtrichey
OK, I'll be the idiot to ask. Why is the post called James Loney '84?
2007-09-29 18:45:58
166.   tjshere
165 LOL Thanks.
2007-09-29 18:46:57
167.   alexx
163 Well, the LA Times does have a baseball blog..
2007-09-29 18:47:17
168.   Bluebleeder87
I missed it! I only heard him say "we will stay the coarse" did he say anything else insight full?
2007-09-29 18:47:32
169.   Bob Timmermann
165 166
I don't get it either.
2007-09-29 18:47:48
170.   Vishal
162 i thought the consensus is that they were photoshopped.
2007-09-29 18:48:07
171.   trainwreck
I can't believe UCLA is going to win this game.

Talk about winning ugly.

2007-09-29 18:48:39
172.   silverwidow
168 - He specifically mentioned a need to improve the pitching staff. He also was very impressed with Loney's emergence.
2007-09-29 18:49:21
173.   Vishal
169 he was born in '84 and this is his 84th game started, that's all i've got.
2007-09-29 18:51:32
174.   sporky
165 - Loney = fine as wine...?
2007-09-29 18:52:43
175.   Gen3Blue
After watching the whole pregame show with Kevin K. and friends and even having to watch a Barry B. tribute with sentimental music it will be difficult in about 7 minutes if the screen goes black.
2007-09-29 18:54:20
176.   scareduck
165 , 166 , 169 -

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/bsplit.cgi?n1=loneyja01&year=2007

He has 84 games started this year.

2007-09-29 18:55:20
177.   Bob Timmermann
UCLA has scored 21 points since I walked in the door.

And I didn't walk in the door that long ago.

2007-09-29 18:56:36
178.   LAT
167. Heck, the Dodgers have a blog. He says it as though blogs have no value. But you have to wonder if he is dismissing the romur, where did Plaschke come up with it (if anywhere).
2007-09-29 18:56:46
179.   Eric Stephen
The apostrophe in '84 is a clear reference to a year, which is Loney's birth year. I think Vishal got it right in 173 .

The 84 games started I would guess is just a coincidence.

2007-09-29 18:57:02
180.   Greg Brock
Can't believe the Beavers imploded like this.
2007-09-29 18:57:30
181.   Bob Timmermann
Sheesh, UCLA blocked a punt and they weren't even trying to do that.
2007-09-29 18:58:34
182.   dzzrtRatt
I liked DePodesta. I don't love him enough to follow him around his whole career though. He's working for a team I've rooted against and loathed for its entire existence. And while I don't think he deserved to be fired, I think Jon has marshaled the evidence more than once that DePo's decisions and Colletti's are actually pretty comparable. Which is not to defend Colletti, but instead to say DePodesta was an imperfect acolyte of his own stated creed.

And the D-backs are a sabermetrical team? This is the first time I'd heard that. I thought the consensus was that they were a remarkably lucky team.

Maybe I've misunderstood the meaning of sabermetrics all this time. Maybe it's just a synonym for "whatever worked, in retrospect."

Regardless of philosophy, I'll root for the Angels and Cleveland in the AL and somebody other than San Diego if they make it and somebody other than the Cubs the NL. I can root for Arizona, Colorado, New York or Philadelphia without feeling compromised.

2007-09-29 18:58:54
183.   scareduck
180 - Any Oregon State loss is a Rule 1 violation waiting to happen.
2007-09-29 18:59:18
184.   Eric Stephen
163 So Plaschke comes out in the mainstream paper saying Kemp should be traded, and Colletti says it's "from the blog world"???

There seems to be a failure to properly assign blame/responsibility here.

2007-09-29 18:59:55
185.   regfairfield
172
Dodgers NL Rank In Runs Scored - 8th
Dodgers NL rank in runs allowed - 3rd

Yep, pitching, that's what we need.

2007-09-29 19:00:39
186.   regfairfield
182 Josh Byrnes has always been noted saber guy.
2007-09-29 19:01:44
187.   dzzrtRatt
184 Colletti probably reads Dodger Thoughts to get all his information about the team. Maybe he thinks Bill Plaschke is a fictional character Jon made up to represent the essence of baseball stupidity, like Joe Sixpack.
2007-09-29 19:02:05
188.   Eric Stephen
Rockies up 6-1 in the 5th, in a game that is inexplicably not televised on Extra Innings.
2007-09-29 19:03:10
189.   Bob Timmermann
188
The Fox channels in Arizona have to show football. The Fox channels in Colorado have to show football too.

It's not like they were expecting this game to be meaningful.

2007-09-29 19:04:26
190.   bigcpa
Anyone catch my letter in today's Times? I was so mad at Plaschke I wrote two.
2007-09-29 19:04:41
191.   Eric Stephen
189 They should have found a way for this game to be on Extra Innings.

They, being the dark overlords of baseball.

2007-09-29 19:05:17
192.   Greg Brock
184 It's failure to adequately assess the world around you.

Newspaper man goes ballistic.
"Blog World" universally screams against Newspaper
GM blames trade rumors on "Blog World"

That's incompetence.

2007-09-29 19:05:51
193.   Bluebleeder87
170

Judging from the "Entertainment Tonight" professional they are inconclusive, I really doubt a guy like Oscar De La Hoya would put him self in that position, I really feel there fake.

2007-09-29 19:06:48
194.   Gen3Blue
That is cold, they even let me watch the ads in between the pre-game and the game. Then Blackout at 10:02. And its not on extra innings either. Very wierd. Its hard to figure why they must black it out in New England when there is no other way to get it. I promise showing it won't keep me from catching the pre-game and then trying to hop a jet to LA. ButI guess it might keep me from subscribing to MLTV. But I won't anyway,till it gets better.
2007-09-29 19:06:59
195.   ryu
Oregon St. has a wide receiver named Catchings. Darrell Catchings. UCLA has a wide receiver named Ketchum. Gavin Ketchum.
2007-09-29 19:07:43
196.   Bluebleeder87
182

Nice write up dzzrtRatt...

2007-09-29 19:07:53
197.   Andrew Shimmin
I'm not convinced there's such a thing as a sabermetric team. There are executives who consider themselves sabermetrically inclined, and who work in ways the saberists prefer. But baseball teams are just baseball teams. Arizona is a lucky team, but not unsabermetrical because of its luck.
2007-09-29 19:08:13
198.   dzzrtRatt
193 de la Hoya has hired Sitrick, the "crisis PR" firm favored by celebrities who've done something truly inexplicable.
2007-09-29 19:08:46
199.   Greg Brock
193 You really want to believe those are fake. I don't think so.
2007-09-29 19:10:38
200.   regfairfield
197 Well, that's just semantics then. For the record, I consider Boston, Oakland, Texas and Arizona sabermetrical teams with San Diego, Toronto, and Cleveland getting honorable mentions.
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2007-09-29 19:11:39
201.   scareduck
188 , 191 - MLB.tv rocks at moments like this.
2007-09-29 19:12:48
202.   dzzrtRatt
197 I think you're right. It's a good tool for assessing and comparing players, but I don't think we'll ever see a GM go out there and say "My plan to win is to build a team that scores high on sabermetrics." Part of what makes sabermetrics sabermetrics is the idea of going into the market with better information. That advantage is disappearing as more GMs become familiar with some of the tools.
2007-09-29 19:15:07
203.   regfairfield
202 When there are still GMs that don't believe getting on base leads to more runs, let alone the ones that openly mock things like VORP (read: Ned), I think there can still be a clear delineation between a saber friendly team and a non stat heavy one.
2007-09-29 19:15:22
204.   tjshere
174 If Jon had used bouquet instead of aroma I might have figured it out.
2007-09-29 19:16:31
205.   trainwreck
200
Daniels is into sabermetrics? Never heard him associated with it.
2007-09-29 19:16:39
206.   scareduck
Tulo hits a grand slam. 11-1 Rocks.
2007-09-29 19:17:34
207.   WillieD
194 They did get me to subscribe to MLBTV, although I've been thinking it isn't worth it for the few games not on Extra Innings which are on MLBTV. Then, as if to tell me, "See, you need this too," they pull this tonight. I don't understand it.

As far as OSU's implosion? I think it was due to my mention of them here. Sheesh.

2007-09-29 19:17:51
208.   Bob Timmermann
The Arizona-Colorado game is listed as appearing on "Channel 12" on EI tomorrow. But Time-Warner only goes up to 10.

I assume ESPN is showing NL East games tomorrow.

2007-09-29 19:18:34
209.   D4P
Well, I'm surprised I'm the only one with any sentimental leftovers for Depo. I guess I feel a little guilty about being so critical of him back when I was completely ignorant of what he was doing, and I now feel like I want to make it up to him somehow.
2007-09-29 19:19:47
210.   Andrew Shimmin
200- That list looks good to me. And, it demonstrates that sabermetric isn't just a way of claiming credit for good teams. Not all bad teams are constructed by blithering idiots. The question will be: do all blithering idiots construct bad teams, no matter how good Logan White is at his job?
2007-09-29 19:19:55
211.   Bluebleeder87
198 ,199

if there real, shame on De La Hoya for letting an exotic dancer take those pics (He must have been really plastered) in any case, who cares the dude in a millionaire, what ever...

2007-09-29 19:20:35
212.   trainwreck
I have sentimental feelings for DePo, but it does not transition to the Padres.
2007-09-29 19:21:26
213.   trainwreck
211
I am sure his wife cares.
2007-09-29 19:21:58
214.   Andrew Shimmin
205- He went to Cornell. Like Andy Bernard.
2007-09-29 19:23:16
215.   Bluebleeder87
Mean while, Bills is going to his old wild pitching ways.
2007-09-29 19:26:14
216.   Andrew Shimmin
I love the way Pierre doesn't just accept that he can't throw. Every time, he positions himself well, and runs up on the ball, and does an all around great job of looking like he thinks he has a chance. I've usually stopped laughing about the whole thing by the time the ball rolls to the catcher.
2007-09-29 19:28:22
217.   Gen3Blue
From Gameday it looks like Chad is not having a good night, at least he is not in the groove yet.
2007-09-29 19:30:59
218.   Marty
I just caught up on the game after going shopping. What a horrible game so far for SC. When are they going to just leave Stephon Johnson in all the time? It's obvious he's the best running back.
2007-09-29 19:31:24
219.   Gen3Blue
I hope Bill's pitches weren't where GD showed them--obviously not for he got a K.

A few months ago I wouldn't have guessed pitching would be the D's critical need for next year.

2007-09-29 19:32:18
220.   Ghost of Carlos Perez
209

I still like Depo. It seemed like he got fired for 1)bad team chemistry and 2)not spending enough on free agents.

Although Ned has not found a cure for the former problem, he has more than made up for the latter (thanks to his work with Pierre, Furcal, Schmidt, et al.).

2007-09-29 19:35:18
221.   Eric Stephen
218 I'm with you, Marty. I like Chauncey Washington, and he even had a long run, but Stafon Johnson is the class of the RBs and should get the bulk of the carries.
2007-09-29 19:36:33
222.   Andrew Shimmin
I'd never noticed it before, but Valdez has a funny nose. If he's willing to grow a beard, I wouldn't mind seeing him on the 25 man roster next Spring.
2007-09-29 19:39:57
223.   Bob Timmermann
I'm just stunned that anybody liked Paul DePodesta so much that they would root for the Padres!

The Padres

Sheesh. He was a front office guy. So his firing may not have been the best idea, but he didn't suffer from some horrible miscarriage of justice. He got his contract paid to him. He's found employment.

Then again in 75 , there is a descriptions of team's that have "proper" philosophies, which pretty much boil down to "win a lot of games."

Although, the Angels are considered to be unworthy of respect. Because they don't win the way some people think they should.

2007-09-29 19:42:13
224.   Andrew Shimmin
223- Just a couple more days till I join SABR, and acquire all the attendant moral and intellectual superiority you so jealously guard. The day of reckoning is nigh, Bob. Nigh!
2007-09-29 19:44:51
225.   underdog
Bills is being outdueled (and so far outhit) by Travis Blackley. C'mon, Chad, I know this game is basically meaningless, but snap out of it! He's totally up with everything.
2007-09-29 19:44:51
226.   Terry A
Just to be clear, my dislike of the Angels is based entirely on petty jealousy.

And Li'l Davy Eckstein.

2007-09-29 19:48:01
227.   underdog
Jon will be thrilled, I'm sure, to be there in person if Hendrickson has to replace Billingsley early.
2007-09-29 19:49:55
228.   Bluebleeder87
Randy Winn hits like a highly priced hitter against us.
2007-09-29 19:50:12
229.   oldfan60
I read a column--forgot where--listing all of the Phillies GM screwups. Much worse than Ned. He is not getting fired.
2007-09-29 19:52:02
230.   scareduck
223 - Although, the Angels are considered to be unworthy of respect. Because they don't win postseason games anymore the way some people think they should.

Fixed. Seriously, Bill Stoneman has kept draining the club of power. They've gone about as far as they can with this first-to-third stuff, but they're a dead duck in the first round.

2007-09-29 19:52:20
231.   Andrew Shimmin
Let's check in on the SC game. . .
2007-09-29 19:52:44
232.   gpellamjr
A source close to the Dodgers' front office informs me that Bob Timmermann is extremely frustrated with the situation at the Dodger Thoughts comments section and may not be back next year.
2007-09-29 19:52:51
233.   Bluebleeder87
227

I say bring in Meloan...

2007-09-29 19:54:15
234.   Gen3Blue
I'm afraid maybe Bills is deeper in a season than he's been before, and is reverting a bit. He should be good next year, but I think we may need a new starter or two.
2007-09-29 19:54:16
235.   natepurcell
if two teams have the same record, does the previous years record decide their draft slot?
2007-09-29 19:55:57
236.   underdog
234 I think we may need a new starter or two anyway.

The Bison GUNS him at the plate.

2007-09-29 19:56:16
237.   Bluebleeder87
Woah, I bet Jon loved that throw from Kemp, he's watching it live!
2007-09-29 19:56:27
238.   NorCal-Dodger
232 Someone moved Bob's kitchen trashcan?
2007-09-29 19:56:42
239.   WillieD
Yeah Kemp! Nice throw.
2007-09-29 19:56:49
240.   underdog
235 Yep. See Bob's 90
2007-09-29 19:57:16
241.   natepurcell
A bison just hunted down a human....revenge!
2007-09-29 19:57:18
242.   Bluebleeder87
237 part II

At the stadium...

2007-09-29 19:58:54
243.   natepurcell
So we need to lose out an the brewers need to win tomorrow.

eh.

2007-09-29 20:02:15
244.   underdog
Stupid Feliz just robbed Delwyn.

Welp, in a few minutes we're gonna watch the last two episodes of Rome. Which will probably end even more disturbingly than the Dodgers' season.

2007-09-29 20:02:19
245.   Bob Timmermann
I don't claim to have moral superiority. That exists in 75 .

I just like the guys who have the coolest uniforms.

2007-09-29 20:03:47
246.   Marty
Well, if the Trojans manage to actually win this game, they can't complain if they get dropped out of number 1. What a horrible performance.
2007-09-29 20:04:06
247.   Eric Stephen
234 Billingsley only threw 147 IP this season. He threw 161 in 2006 (combined majors and minors), and 146 in 2005.
2007-09-29 20:05:53
248.   MJW101
With Kuo, Holton and Stults out of options and assuming Ned drops the following from the current 40 man roster:

David Wells non-tender
Rudy Seanez non-tender
Roberto Hernandez non-tender
Mark Hendrickson non-tender
Chad Moeller non-tender
Shea Hillenbrand non-tender
Olmedo Seanz non-tender
Luis Gonzalez non-tender
Jason Repko DFA
Tim Hamulck DFA
Mike Megrew DFA
Zach Hammes DFA
Wilson Valdez DFA

while keeping the following on the 40 man:

Eric Hull
Jon Meloan
Greg Miller
Andy LaRoche
Chin-Lung Hu

Which of the following minor leaguers newly eligible for the rule 5 draft will he protect?

Westley Wright
James McDonald
Justin Orendorf
Ramon Troncoso
Corey Wade
Xavier Paul
Jamie Hoffman

?????????

2007-09-29 20:07:35
249.   gpellamjr
I'm sure no one cares, but I'm curious about what everyone else plans. Of the NL teams that still have a chance, I will root in this order: Rockies, Phillies, Diamondbacks, Padres, Cubs, Mets. But I really wouldn't root for the Padres, Cubs, or Mets.

In the AL I'm rooting for Cleveland, but I'll root for whoever comes out of the NL in the WS.

2007-09-29 20:08:08
250.   Bob Timmermann
246
LSU's win wasn't overly impressive. #3 Oklahoma lost as did #7 Texas.
#4 Florida is tied in the fourth.
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2007-09-29 20:08:22
251.   dzzrtRatt
Topps is missing a good bet: Throw in some pictures of General Managers and other front office personnel with the bubblegum packs.
2007-09-29 20:09:15
252.   underdog
I'm not 100% sure Repko will be DFA'd but maybe... and of the others on your last list, I'd say McDonald for sure, and Orenduff. Not sure about the others.
2007-09-29 20:09:17
253.   Greg Brock
249 Cubs and Indians. No Yankees. No Phillies. That's the overall rooting.
2007-09-29 20:09:38
254.   Bluebleeder87
watching Pavlik on the pre-fight interview he seems pretty calm & collective.
2007-09-29 20:09:39
255.   Andrew Shimmin
245- SABR membership doesn't come with Prius/Mac ownership levels of moral authority? This is very disappointing. Is there a $40 dollar entry into that realm?
2007-09-29 20:09:54
256.   Vishal
i really want florida to lose.
2007-09-29 20:10:32
257.   Vishal
253 i'd be happy with that.
2007-09-29 20:10:49
258.   NorCal-Dodger
Washington's throwback uniforms, reminds me of ND.
2007-09-29 20:11:45
259.   Bob Timmermann
255
I'll show you the high moral ground!

I'll show you the life of the mind!

2007-09-29 20:12:00
260.   Bluebleeder87
248

R. Hernandez should have never been a Dodger, he should have gracefully boud out.

2007-09-29 20:12:05
261.   Vishal
washington is just frittering away these opportunities.
2007-09-29 20:12:47
262.   Pedro Astacio
No Angels. No Yankees. No Padres, That's pretty much the order.
2007-09-29 20:14:18
263.   dzzrtRatt
253 You left out a certain team that happens to be coached by a certain former catcher for a world championship team in the final years of the Reagan Administration. I think there's a significant percentage of regular readers of this site who will root for a certain home team that shares part of its name with the team that is the focal point of this site and at one time shared its baseball stadium as well, although referring to it by a different name during that period. A team noted for having one of the early letters in the alphabet embossed on its cap and other merchandise.
2007-09-29 20:14:46
264.   Frip
Vin talks too much and gets on my nerves, but any announcer who can still relate first-hand stories about Tommy Dorsey is a certifiable treasure.
2007-09-29 20:15:19
265.   D4P
I'm just stunned that anybody liked Paul DePodesta so much that they would root for the Padres!

I've never hated the Padres. I feel like that gives them too much credit. I grew up hating the Giants, Yankees, and Braves. The Padres were "meh".

2007-09-29 20:16:52
266.   Eric Stephen
264 Vin talks too much and gets on my nerves

Not this again.

2007-09-29 20:17:06
267.   Pedro Astacio
265. You obviously have never lived in San Diego.
2007-09-29 20:18:05
268.   Vishal
oh washington. it's already at mid-field. FAIR CATCH IT.
2007-09-29 20:18:14
269.   Greg Brock
263 I'm ambivalent about the Angels. Don't really like 'em, but don't really root against them. Win, don't win. Meh.
2007-09-29 20:18:19
270.   dzzrtRatt
264 Over here, someone's rooting for the Padres. Over there someone says Vin Scully "talks too much" and "gets on my nerves."

When did I fall into Bizarro Dodger Thoughts?

Jon, come back!

2007-09-29 20:18:49
271.   Andrew Shimmin
259- Will there be a button, or a badge of some sort, so that ordinary people know that I'm above them, without my having to tell them?

By the way, you keep linking 75, but is that the one you mean? Any philosophy that's elastic enough to include both the Yankees and the D'backs, but doesn't have room for the Cubs wouldn't seem to be coherent. Unless there's some element I can't see that ties them together.

2007-09-29 20:19:20
272.   Bluebleeder87
Woo!
2007-09-29 20:19:34
273.   Bob Timmermann
264 265
May both of you be forced to watch or listen to baseball games with no other options than Matt Vasgersian and Ted Leitner.

Again, you will see the life of the mind.

2007-09-29 20:20:13
274.   Vishal
263 i for one would hate that. i know i'm not the only one here who prefers the other team with an early letter of the alphabet (albeit with an apostrophe-s) embossed on their caps.
2007-09-29 20:21:34
275.   Bob Timmermann
271
Sorry I meant 89 .

I will sell you a "High Moral Ground" wrist bracelet.

2007-09-29 20:21:42
276.   Andrew Shimmin
271- I meant Angels, not Cubs. Though I don't understand the grounds for slighting either.
2007-09-29 20:22:39
277.   NorCal-Dodger
The name Matt Vasegersian makes me think he is an ObGyn
2007-09-29 20:24:34
278.   Frip
This place needs to seriously re-evaluate itself if it can't handle any comments about Vin that aren't 100% positive.
2007-09-29 20:25:38
279.   Pedro Astacio
Vin's going to die soon.
2007-09-29 20:27:08
280.   NorCal-Dodger
277 On 2nd thought Vasgersian, sounds more like something an ObGyn would prescribe...
2007-09-29 20:27:18
281.   Andrew Shimmin
278- Define handle? This isn't the first time you've mentioned that you think he talks too much--DT hasn't imploded in on itself over it yet. Maybe if you branch out and insult his hair color, or neckties. I love the man like a million grandfathers, but he's got some thirty year-old ties that make me wince.
2007-09-29 20:27:44
282.   Frip
279 Oh my God, you MUST be kidding. I haven't seen anything that dramatic since Dark Shaddows.
2007-09-29 20:27:54
283.   NorCal-Dodger
I think USC is trying everything possible to lose this game.
2007-09-29 20:29:08
284.   Bluebleeder87
Youngstown, Ohio is at there feet as Pavlik makes his way into the ring.
2007-09-29 20:29:55
285.   gpellamjr
I am a moral relativist. I will laugh at things that make most people sick. I have to pretend to care about certain things, lest I be pelted with stones. But there is one thing that I can't stand for, one thing on this earth that really bothers me. That is insults against Vin Scully. I am going to stew over this, and I'm going to enjoy it.
2007-09-29 20:30:28
286.   Bob Timmermann
We can handle people not liking Vin Scully. Most people disagree.

It's not like you called him a Nazi.

2007-09-29 20:31:27
287.   Pedro Astacio
YAY, ONE MORE HR!!!
2007-09-29 20:32:34
288.   Eric Stephen
278 If you want to criticize Vin for obsessing over children in the stands, fine.

If you don't like Vin ever really criticizing anyone, OK.

If you want to call Vin out for getting names wrong on a more frequent basis, no problemo.

But to say Vin talks too much is ludicrous. It's asinine. Vin is known for shutting up and letting the play on the field tell the story. I honestly think you either don't watch enough of other announcers or don't appreciate that Vin is the only announcer that calls a game by himself.

His words per minute (or however you want to describe it) have got to be among the lowest, if not the lowest, of all announcers, but simply because he's the only one in the booth there is more time for him to talk.

2007-09-29 20:33:47
289.   Frip
I call Vin a treasure, and you people have meltdown. You're all sick! Goodnight!
2007-09-29 20:34:23
290.   Vishal
279 okay, that was totally unnecessary.
2007-09-29 20:34:54
291.   Greg Brock
Shimmin nailed it. It's the ties.
2007-09-29 20:35:09
292.   Bob Timmermann
I would say that Vin didn't say anything for a period of about 12 seconds in between the last two pitches.

That's a fair amount of dead air for someone working alone.

2007-09-29 20:35:53
293.   Bob Timmermann
289
Good night!
2007-09-29 20:35:53
294.   Andrew Shimmin
Either LaRoche or Hu needs to get on base. Or both. Whatever it takes to get Hendrickson out of the game. It's close enough now that I want to watch, but I'm not going to give up a perfectly good grudge.
2007-09-29 20:37:18
295.   Andrew Shimmin
There we go, just have to stay out of the double play. . .
2007-09-29 20:37:42
296.   Greg Brock
Meltdown means different things to different people.
2007-09-29 20:38:11
297.   Pedro Astacio
I dunno, Hendrickson has shown signs he can be very good for a while. (April 2007)
2007-09-29 20:39:17
298.   gpellamjr
There is an eerie relaxing feeling watching Dodger games that don't count for anything. There's a pleasantness to it that I didn't feel in '05.
2007-09-29 20:39:30
299.   Andrew Shimmin
You've got to be kidding me.

Fire Grady Little!

2007-09-29 20:39:40
300.   Pedro Astacio
lawl, letting Hendy bat?
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2007-09-29 20:41:08
301.   Eric Stephen
Speaking of melting, I'm happy for Modern English that they were able to cash in for the new Taco Bell commercial, but every time I see that commercial, all the cheese coming out of everyone's mouth looks ridiculous.

I know, looking for believability in a commercial is a fruitless effort, but that commercial really chaps my hide for some reason.

2007-09-29 20:41:18
302.   gpellamjr
299 That proves it. Grady Little reads the blogs. And he hates Andrew Shimmin.
2007-09-29 20:41:39
303.   MMSMikey
and i thought nomo was the worst bunter we ever had
2007-09-29 20:43:21
304.   Pedro Astacio
well, he got it down.

Pierre's due for a HR...

2007-09-29 20:44:05
305.   Eric Stephen
It seems a little dumb that JP's AB music has Jay Z mentioning his name, but I suppose if I had a recorded song that mentioned my name I would play it a lot too.

Unless I was "you" in Positively 4th Street.

2007-09-29 20:44:27
306.   trainwreck
301
I hate that commercial too.

Mmmm. I love eating snot.

2007-09-29 20:45:08
307.   Andrew Shimmin
302- He's envious that I'm going to join SABR in a couple of days, at a discounted subscription rate. He wishes that he were under thirty.
2007-09-29 20:45:36
308.   Pedro Astacio
way to go Pierre.
2007-09-29 20:46:42
309.   NorCal-Dodger
If Jp keeps up this clutch hitting, Grady will have him batting 3rd tomorrow.
2007-09-29 20:47:02
310.   gpellamjr
302 & 307 For the record, I hate Andrew Shimmin, too, and his SABR membership-to-be.

You know, if you divide JP's RBI by his HRs, you'll see that he is far the most valuable player in baseball.

2007-09-29 20:48:14
311.   NorCal-Dodger
USC won but may drop in the rankings..
2007-09-29 20:49:33
312.   Pedro Astacio
310. RBI per HR? What kind of stat is that?
2007-09-29 20:50:23
313.   Bob Timmermann
307
See you in Cleveland, Shimmin.
2007-09-29 20:50:36
314.   Eric Stephen
311 I don't think there should be polls until mid October anyway, but I have no problem with LSU being voted #1 now. And I'm a USC fan.
2007-09-29 20:51:58
315.   Bob Timmermann
I finally found out what would happen if the Mets, Phillies, Padres, and Rockies all finish with the same record tomorrow.

It's not pretty. I posted it on the Griddle. The NLCS wouldn't start until Thursday.

2007-09-29 20:52:40
316.   Bluebleeder87
313

I wonder if Bob has a map of the world with colored needles to each place he's been in.

2007-09-29 20:53:20
317.   Greg Brock
314 I was wondering what was wrong the first time I met you. Now it all fits into place.

There was a missing spot where your soul should have been.

2007-09-29 20:53:32
318.   Marty
USC won but SHOULD drop in the ratings.

Right now I want Vin Scully to quarterback the Trojans.

2007-09-29 20:54:03
319.   Andrew Shimmin
313- Probably not. I'm not big on going places, or doing things. I do like to know that, if I wanted to go places or do things, I'd be allowed to.
2007-09-29 20:54:07
320.   NorCal-Dodger
314. I'm in concurrence, this might be a wake up call for USC, hopefully we get to play LSU in January to decide it all. Which is the only thing that matters.
2007-09-29 20:54:14
321.   Bob Timmermann
ESPN will likely name Auburn #1 because by winning an SEC game on the road, they are automatically the best team in the country.

That's what Mike Patrick and Ron Frankin have taught me after all these years.

2007-09-29 20:56:37
322.   Bob Timmermann
317
I have no soul either:
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1264/1255405091_637985b52c.jpg
2007-09-29 20:56:51
323.   eusmus
312 http://tinyurl.com/2aqllh
2007-09-29 20:57:04
324.   natepurcell
After looking over the potential free agent class, I don't really see anyone that is appealing or even that many type A free agents.

I think we will be safe at slot 16.

2007-09-29 20:57:17
325.   Bob Timmermann
Ortmeier bomb!
2007-09-29 20:57:19
326.   MMSMikey
until next year, lurch.
2007-09-29 20:58:01
327.   trainwreck
UCLA could move into the rankings now, which would be hilarious.
2007-09-29 20:58:36
328.   Vishal
301 on of my favorite bands from the 90s, hum, is in the new cadillac commercial.
2007-09-29 20:58:41
329.   Greg Brock
322 But I already knew that.

And that picture makes me a very sad panda. VERY sad. But those hardwood floors are legit.

2007-09-29 20:58:48
330.   Andrew Shimmin
319- I'm really excited about the SABR listserv. I haven't subscribed to a listserv in probably eight years. I can't decide which email address I should use for it.
2007-09-29 20:59:22
331.   trainwreck
325
I knew it, Bob does love San Francisco.
2007-09-29 20:59:22
332.   Icaros
Are we going to get a pick if we offer Gonzalez arb?
2007-09-29 21:00:00
333.   Vishal
you guys who are talking about usc falling out of #1... did you guys watch the LSU game any? they were lousy for like 3 quarters.
2007-09-29 21:00:20
334.   Bluebleeder87
328

I know exactly which one your talking about, I dig it as well.

2007-09-29 21:00:28
335.   Vishal
331 just their baseball team.
2007-09-29 21:01:09
336.   trainwreck
322
That is more embarrassing than the Oscar De La Hoya pictures.
2007-09-29 21:01:19
337.   Bob Timmermann
330
The listserv will introduce you to people who are like me. Except more so.

And some aren't as socialized as well. You will learn a lot about baseball games that last longer than five hours.

Trust me on that.

But you might from time to time see a message from Bill James or Buzzie Bavasi.

2007-09-29 21:01:22
338.   natepurcell
332

He'll probably be a type B free agent. So yea, we would get a 1st round comp pick.

2007-09-29 21:01:22
339.   Vishal
322 geez, bob, did you lose a bet or something?
2007-09-29 21:02:01
340.   trainwreck
333
But they were facing Bob Toledo.

You can only hope to survive a matchup with Bob Toledo.

2007-09-29 21:02:02
341.   Bluebleeder87
I'm pretty much getting my Dodger updates from the comments, I'm intrigued by the fight, very much.
2007-09-29 21:02:37
342.   Bluebleeder87
OH MY GOD!!! Pavlik won!!!!
2007-09-29 21:03:12
343.   Bob Timmermann
339
I forgot to bring a sweater driving up to the Timberline Lodge at Mt. Hood. My girlfriend brought two and the USC sweatshirt was the only one suitable for a man to wear.

However, it wasn't as warm as the sweater she was stuck with.

So I did lose a bet.

But I was warm.

2007-09-29 21:03:19
344.   Greg Brock
BlueBleeder, if you're out there:

OH. MY. GOD.

2007-09-29 21:03:55
345.   trainwreck
Well we all knew it was only a matter of time for Taylor.
2007-09-29 21:04:13
346.   Marty
333 I didn't see the LSU game. I only assumed, like any good paranoid Trojan fan, that LSU dominated.
2007-09-29 21:04:47
347.   Vishal
343 i would have remained cold and relied on my pride to keep me warm. :P
2007-09-29 21:05:02
348.   Vishal
(and my girlfriend)
2007-09-29 21:07:06
349.   Greg Brock
347 348 Awesome.

I don't know what hell is like, but I'm pretty sure I'm going there, and I'm pretty sure I'll have to wear a Southern Cal sweater.

But again, those hardwood floors! Fabulous!

2007-09-29 21:09:09
350.   trainwreck
349
I am pretty sure you will be wearing a Karl Dorrell jersey and have a sheet of plays stuck in your pants.
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2007-09-29 21:10:31
351.   dzzrtRatt
LaRoche would be great to have at a kids' birthday party.
2007-09-29 21:10:36
352.   Bob Timmermann
350
And then Greg Brock will be tormented by a tall left-handed, red-haired devil who will be indecisive about how to torment him and Brock will get away.
2007-09-29 21:11:43
353.   trainwreck
352
Are you saying the Mormons are wrong?
2007-09-29 21:12:04
354.   Eric Stephen
342 I knew I shouldn't have been in here, just in case somebody talked about the Taylor/Pavlik fight. I will now watch it on tape delay with the same interest as that of a fight on ESPN Classic.
2007-09-29 21:13:40
355.   Andrew Shimmin
Oh for pity's sake. Hendrickson is still pitching?
2007-09-29 21:17:00
356.   Daniel Zappala
Just back from a night out, after watching the Oregon-Cal game. The Ducks gave that game away, too bad. Just a really hard way to lose that game.
2007-09-29 21:18:24
357.   Daniel Zappala
Upside: early snow in the mountains. 38 degrees today. Can't wait for the ski season to begin.
2007-09-29 21:19:02
358.   Bob Timmermann
353
No, it's just that Satan can take on many forms.

Last night, I saw him at Trader Vic's having a pina colada. His hair was perfect.

2007-09-29 21:19:33
359.   Bluebleeder87
354

You won't be disappointed Eric, great fight, believe me. Mean while if anything at least the Dodgers tide it up.

2007-09-29 21:19:54
360.   Vishal
The Ducks gave that game away, too bad

when did they really have control of the game? they were up by a touchdown a couple times, but that's not giving the game away.

2007-09-29 21:20:12
361.   Greg Brock
354 No, dude, it was awesome. Taylor crushed Pavlik in the first round, knocked him on queer street, and sent him to the canvas. Pavlick recovered, won almost every round, and knocked Taylor into the stone age.

There, now you really don't have to watch the fight. But you should.

2007-09-29 21:20:43
362.   Marty
ahh-ooo!
2007-09-29 21:21:42
363.   Vishal
359 your continual use of homophones reminds me of something... but i can't come up with the proper analogy.
2007-09-29 21:21:49
364.   Eric Stephen
361 That's all I ever ask of a fight. Non-stop, relentless action! Perhaps my standards are too high.

My interest in the fight is now back. Thanks for the description.

2007-09-29 21:22:25
365.   trainwreck
It was a very good fight. I expected Pavlik to win.

And I have never heard of queer street before.

2007-09-29 21:24:26
366.   dzzrtRatt
363 It's Joycean. Finnegans Wake. Dreaming while awake.
2007-09-29 21:24:37
367.   Marty
Brock comes up with great terms. The other night he used "pull wool". It was awesome.
2007-09-29 21:25:09
368.   Bob Timmermann
360
Poking around the internet about missed field goals, I discovered that Virginia coach Al Groh successfully challenged a missed field goal call this year. However, such calls are not listed among calls that can be reviewed.

Which is pretty silly since it's usually an obvious call. I wish ABC had had a better angle of the "missed" field goal.

2007-09-29 21:26:57
369.   Greg Brock
367 Imagine if there was no Rule 1. This is the tip of the phrase iceberg.
2007-09-29 21:28:41
370.   Bob Timmermann
This article about the errant field goal call in the ACC game also explains what the officials are supposed to do:
http://tinyurl.com/2jb9ny

On field goals, the back judge is always under the crossbar on the side opposite the press box and the field judge is under the cross bar on the side near the press box.

Replays showed the ball barely cleared the bottom left corner just above Valdez; Valdez seemed to jerk away as if to avoid being hit.

"The proper mechanic is each official has the upright he is standing under. The ball has to entirely pass inside the imaginary line of the pipe. If any part of the ball is over the pipe, it's no good," Rhoads said.

"Now, as the ball is coming down, they have the crossbar to contend with. It's the back judge's responsibility for any play that hits the crossbar."

THis time, Rhoads said, "It looks like it's almost going to strike him. He moves to avoid being hit, and when he does, he loses his concentration."

What should happen is the back judge and field judge look at each other, verbally assess whether the field goal was good or not, and make the call together, he said.

2007-09-29 21:29:54
371.   trainwreck
368
They actually brought that up during the game.
2007-09-29 21:31:09
372.   gpellamjr
The real bright note in this game is the fact that Hendrickson has clinched the 5th starter spot for next year. Glad we have that straightened out and we don't have to worry about gambling with a 3rd year player starting the year in the rotation.
2007-09-29 21:32:13
373.   Andrew Shimmin
368- Would the replay booth have had any different angles? I can't imagine overturning the ruling (no matter which way it had gone) based on the replays ABC had.
2007-09-29 21:32:33
374.   Daniel Zappala
360 Giving the game away is perhaps too strong. I felt they could easily have won the game without the late turnovers.
2007-09-29 21:32:59
375.   Icaros
369

Yep. If there was no Rule 1, I'd feel like A-Rod being given an aluminum bat.

2007-09-29 21:33:11
376.   Vishal
370 well, i guess i'll have to take the official's opinion for it. it still looked like it was inside the left upright as it passed. it was spinning... anyway, at least it didn't impact the outcome.
2007-09-29 21:33:29
377.   trainwreck
Andre Berto had another exciting fight on the undercard tonight.

He is a fun fighter to watch.

2007-09-29 21:35:27
378.   dzzrtRatt
369 This place is an oasis of interesting language due to Jon's profanity ban.

Other sites I visit, the commenters all eventually resort to all the permutations of f and s. It makes even the most erudite discussions of public policy sound like a 1:45 a.m. at a greasy pub. I can't believe how many people still think it's funny and original to put the suffix (?) "-tard" after the f word.

Greg Brock, I have faith you would use your privileges in a creative way. But then a linguistic Gresham's law would take over and your innovations would be driven out.

2007-09-29 21:35:35
379.   Andrew Shimmin
Not too shabby there, Mr. LaRoche.
2007-09-29 21:35:39
380.   Eric Stephen
Bringing all of this together, I will accept anyone criticizing Vin's use of the nickname "Sugar Ray" for Ray Durham.

That nickname is reserved for two people. I knew only Leonard growing up, but of course later learned of Robinson. I look at this as kind of an exception like the Yankees having two retired #8s.

Even though I really liked Sugar Ray Leonard, I still think Hagler won their 1987 fight.

2007-09-29 21:35:57
381.   trainwreck
I think the reports that said Andy LaRoche struggled defensively at third were just plain wrong.
2007-09-29 21:36:48
382.   Greg Brock
375 That's why I want a "No Rule 1" day. 364 of goodness, 1 day of badness.
2007-09-29 21:37:30
383.   trainwreck
380
Hell yeah!!!

Marvelous was robbed.

2007-09-29 21:39:02
384.   Icaros
382

It could be called Blue Monday, and happen on a Monday.

2007-09-29 21:39:36
385.   Daniel Zappala
BYU wins, 31-24. New Mexico looks like Washington State.
2007-09-29 21:39:58
386.   trainwreck
And we all have to drink Blue Moon beer.
2007-09-29 21:40:05
387.   Marty
380 So does Hagler.

That fight is the last one I really enjoyed with a crowd of people. At the time we all thought Leonard won, but when you view it again it seems Hagler had the advantage.

Go's to show how a sentimental favorite can change perception.

2007-09-29 21:40:20
388.   MikeB
From latimes.com
Bill Shaikin says next season starts today - if McCourt says so.
http://tinyurl.com/35vmjh
2007-09-29 21:42:16
389.   Greg Brock
380 Hagler won that fight. Everybody knows it. Ray Leonard knows it. You know it. I know it.

Running around and flailing jabs doesn't win a fight. One of the happiest days of my boxing fan life was when Terry Norris destroyed Ray Leonard. You're not Sugar. You're not Ray Robinson. And you got destroyed. Loved it.

2007-09-29 21:42:36
390.   Andrew Shimmin
382- If Jon caved in to foul-mouth day, where would it end? How could he say no to the next identity group that came down the pike, demanding a day of it's own, like the Korean American community, or neo-Nazis. Where does it end?!
2007-09-29 21:42:55
391.   Bob Timmermann
380
I added the other permutation for you, Eric.
2007-09-29 21:44:36
392.   Bob Timmermann
So how many points is USC going to beat Stanford by next week?

I don't sense a good outcome in the offing for the Cardinal.

2007-09-29 21:46:46
393.   Greg Brock
Hagler, Hearns, Leonard, Arguello, Pryor, Duran.

What an amazing era. I wish I could have not been five years old during that era. I can't see any way that ever gets topped.

2007-09-29 21:47:01
394.   scareduck
Is anybody else listening to the game on Gameday Audio? Because I'm hearing some weirdo yelling just audibly enough to make the whole thing annoying, like they've mixing another feed.
2007-09-29 21:47:31
395.   Eric Stephen
391 Thanks, Bob. All I want is more days of baseball!
2007-09-29 21:47:41
396.   trainwreck
Yeah, I have had to watch tapes of all those fights or on ESPN Classic.
2007-09-29 21:48:17
397.   MikeB
393 Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Norton
2007-09-29 21:48:18
398.   Eric Stephen
392 46.
2007-09-29 21:49:46
399.   Bob Timmermann
398
And yet Stanford is the last team to beat USC at the Coliseum.
2007-09-29 21:51:32
400.   Eric Stephen
389 I was 11 for the Hagler/Leonard fight, and I don't remember if it was mentioned during the broadcast (normally I remember everything Barry Tompkins says -- "they better stop this fight before somebody gets killed!"), but it was an effective strategy for Leonard to steal rounds by having a corner guy yell when 30 seconds were left in the round. Leonard would then finish with a flurry that was at least superficially impressive, and it probably got him the points he needed to win.
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2007-09-29 21:52:02
401.   Eric Stephen
399 Led by Ty Willingham!
2007-09-29 21:52:14
402.   trainwreck
Willingham was 4-3 against USC, while at Stanford.

I really miss the Trojans not being dominant.

2007-09-29 21:52:54
403.   Greg Brock
397 Patterson was a heck of a fighter too.
2007-09-29 21:54:25
404.   Bob Timmermann
Final note on field goals that were or weren't.

On December 26, 1965 (I was 16 days old and I celebrated the day by crying and soiling myself), the Green Bay Packers beat the Baltimore Colts in a playoff game in overtime, 13-10 on a 22-yard field goal by Don Chandler.

The Colts insist that the kick was wide, but Chandler kicked the ball over the top of the uprights which were much shorter in those days.

The controversy inspires the NFL to force all teams to put in taller goalposts like they have today.

2007-09-29 21:54:53
405.   dzzrtRatt
A little late-season, nothing-to-play-for boneheadedness by Martin.
2007-09-29 21:55:48
406.   Eric Stephen
404 Wow, shanking a 22-yard FG? That doesn't happen too often. It's essentially an extra point, which is what, 95% accurate?
2007-09-29 21:55:55
407.   Greg Brock
400 Ray Leonard was the flamboyant Negro that people wanted to like. It was like a smaller, less talented Ali, and everybody loved him. But Hagler beat him, he ran and chased easy rounds by throwing weak punches with ten seconds left in the round, and everybody ate it up.

I despise Ray Leonard.

2007-09-29 21:56:40
408.   Marty
393 That was when I was paying attention to boxing. There was a local legend called Randy Shields who was quite the fighter in the welterweight division then. He had a great fight against Pipino Cuevas who was considered a monster at the time.

Leonard was the real deal. He destroyed Hearns and deserves all the accolades he's gotten.

2007-09-29 21:56:41
409.   trainwreck
404
Did not stop Janikowski from hitting the top of one from 52 yards away.

Of course, he missed it as he tends to do.

2007-09-29 21:58:14
410.   trainwreck
407
At least he will never be the successful Italian movie star that Marvin Hagler is.
2007-09-29 21:58:22
411.   Eric Stephen
The latest "Zero > One" post on FJM is hilarious. Short and sweet.
2007-09-29 21:59:37
412.   natepurcell
So it seems like Shaikin mentioms every plausible scenario except trading pierre....
2007-09-29 22:00:51
413.   Eric Stephen
408 Speaking of Hearns, my first thought from the description here of tonight's Taylor/Pavlik fight was of Hagler v. Hearns. Just unyielding action.
2007-09-29 22:01:41
414.   Icaros
412

He keeps wanting to put Pierre in left. Why not first base?

2007-09-29 22:01:52
415.   MikeB
Greatest fight I ever saw was Ali vs Frazier in 1971. I was an usher for Pacific Theaters (the Paradise in Westchester) back then working my way through college. There was no cable pay per view back so big fights were shown at movie theaters as a closed-circuit telecast. I got sent to the Pacific Theater in Hollywood that night. Worked the concession counter before the fight and sold popcorn to Paul Newman, Telly Savalas, Ed McMahon, Buddy Hackett, and other stars of the era. When the fight started I got sent to one of the side aisles to keep an eye on the crowd. Everyone stood through the entire fight. It was the most amazing sports crowd I have ever been a part of. I believe Frazier was 27 years old and Ali was 29.
2007-09-29 22:04:02
416.   Marty
415 Mike, you may have sold popcorn to my father.
2007-09-29 22:04:19
417.   trainwreck
Corrales vs Castillo was the greatest fight I have ever seen.

The fight was action packed and the ending just made it special.

2007-09-29 22:04:57
418.   Bob Timmermann
406
Kickers weren't all that good in 1965. Nearly all of them toe-kicked the ball, which is a really dumb way of kicking a football. The has marks were farther apart back then too, so the angles were tougher.

In 1965, I think only the Gogolak brothers, Jan Stenerud, and Garo Yepremian kicked like an athlete who plays a sport where kicking is important would do it.

Fred Cox led the NFL with 23 field goals that year. He missed 12. Pete Gogolak led the AFL with 28 and missed 18.

I don't know if an NFL kicker would keep his job if he missed 18 field goals in a season. Or even stay around long enough to miss 18 field goals.

2007-09-29 22:05:15
419.   Greg Brock
He destroyed Hearns

On what planet? Hearns crushed Leonard until they beat the heck out of each other, and Leonard pulled out the TKO when Hearns detached his retina.

Hearns put Leonard on the canvas twice in the second fight, and it was a draw because America loves Ray Leonard. Hearns kicked his tail from here to Katmandu.

2007-09-29 22:06:32
420.   natepurcell
414

Then the Dodgers could move Juan Pierre to left and trade Andy LaRoche and either Kemp or Ethier for a strong young arm or two. Jeff Kent would remain at second base, no longer the only power threat in the batting order.

hmmm, what strong, young arms are available?

I can only think of Ian Snell and Scott Olson due to their activities from this year.

2007-09-29 22:07:58
421.   Marty
Hearns detached his own retina?
2007-09-29 22:08:22
422.   MikeB
Marty - at the fight? or at the Paradise in Westchester?
2007-09-29 22:09:38
423.   Andrew Shimmin
420- Dontrelle Willis. Ethier and LaRoche should get that done.
2007-09-29 22:09:47
424.   Bob Timmermann
Delmon Young of Tampa Bay has played in 161 games this season and then got yanked by Joe Maddon in the sixth because he felt he wasn't hustling on a ground ball.

Young yelled at him and might be benched for game 162.

2007-09-29 22:10:49
425.   trainwreck
I had no idea that Walker was back on the Giants.
2007-09-29 22:12:26
426.   Icaros
425

There was a disturbance in The Force. You must've missed it.

2007-09-29 22:12:29
427.   MikeB
423 - Jim Baker of BP was advocating in a chat session the Dodgers go get Santana - he likens it to a fan seeing Koufax on the mound in 63 & 64. Implied Dodger Stadium would make Santana the dominant pitcher in the NL.
2007-09-29 22:13:48
428.   Greg Brock
421 You know, I gave you the Pat Haden Clause. I said how much I liked you, despite your Southern Cal shenanigans. Now you say Leonard was better than Hearns. Fine.

Marty is no longer covered by the Pat Haden Clause. He's just another Southern Cal fan. Eric Stephen gets the Pat Haden Clause.

Marty and his palacial Pasadena estate are dead to me.

2007-09-29 22:16:25
429.   Andrew Shimmin
427- I expect Santana would cost much more than Ethier and LaRoche.

Anyway, I can't stand by any theory that says the Dodgers should discard two guys who'd be passable LFers in order to let Juan Pierre play. Finding new ways of making the Pierre contract dumb is not a game I'd like to see Colletti play.

2007-09-29 22:16:57
430.   Bob Timmermann
428
Marty lives in Altadena, not Pasadena.

There's a difference. For starters, if he needs an ambulance, he gets to wait about half an hour for the County to show up.

2007-09-29 22:19:08
431.   MikeB
429 - Agreed. The price for Santana would be very steep.
Is Coletti smart enough and bold enough to admit a mistake, and pawn off Pierre for an arm in the BP, or a backup catcher who can hit a little and is under the age of 30?
2007-09-29 22:19:18
432.   Marty
Sorry Greg. We just differ.
I think Leonard was a lot better than Hearns. Because he won. Hearns never won a really big fight. Just lead-ins to big fights. He was a great fighter, but doomed to be in the same era with better ones.
2007-09-29 22:24:47
433.   Andrew Shimmin
431- He doesn't see Pierre as a mistake. Colletti is a certified Pierre-lover. Colletti gets thrown out of McCourt's office at least once a week for pitching a gate promotion give away of Pierre related memorabilia, including such items as Eau de Pierre perfume, Juan Pierre stationary, Juan Pierre beany-babies, Miniature Juan Pierre batting helmets (they're the size of a thimble; get it?), etc.

He loves Juan Pierre. Not that there's anything wrong with it.

2007-09-29 22:26:24
434.   Andrew Shimmin
Bill Plaschke's column would be much more enjoyable if I were his insider source.
2007-09-29 22:28:26
435.   Andrew Shimmin
Alright Russ. Time to turn 20.
2007-09-29 22:30:58
436.   Andrew Shimmin
Walker's sweating like David Wells.
2007-09-29 22:31:37
437.   trainwreck
Russell is not going to be very pretty by the time his career ends.
2007-09-29 22:33:19
438.   Andrew Shimmin
Is that the first bat broken over a Dodger's knee since Milton Bradley left town?
2007-09-29 22:34:04
439.   natepurcell
We can't have players who come up short in clutch situations of a meaningless game.

Martin needs to go.

2007-09-29 22:35:57
440.   Daniel Zappala
Wait a minute, Brock. I thought I had the Pat Haden Clause. Or was that some other Clause or Exception? I forget.
2007-09-29 22:37:46
441.   dzzrtRatt
Ned Colletti is to Juan Pierre as Robert Downey Jr. was to cocaine. It'll take him down until he finally realizes he can quit.
2007-09-29 22:38:34
442.   MikeB
438 Obviously Martin was angry and disappointed and perplexed . . . bitter . . .
2007-09-29 22:41:52
443.   Linkmeister
I saw Foreman defeat Joe Roman live in Tokyo in 1973, or at least I think I did. I was up in the nosebleed seats, but that was the event I paid for.
2007-09-29 22:43:00
444.   Greg Brock
440 You, LAT, and Marty have the Haden Clause. Marty just lost the Haden Clause. Marty is now just another Southern Cal fan.

You're still in the clear, Professor.

2007-09-29 22:45:14
445.   Linkmeister
Looking it up, I also saw via closed circuit the Leonard-Duran "no mas" fight in November 1980.
2007-09-29 22:46:59
446.   dzzrtRatt
Luis Gonzalez is still with the Dodgers? I thought he quit a couple days ago and was working at a Starbucks.
2007-09-29 22:47:30
447.   Johnny Nucleo
One last at-bat for Gonzalez. Will it be memorable?
2007-09-29 22:49:50
448.   Daniel Zappala
444 Oh, whew. Because I liked Sugar Ray Leonard, but looking back now it was only because I was young, impressionable, and misled by the media machine. I'm perfectly willing to forget all about it if you are, especially since I could care less about boxing. Unless it's Boxing Day, which is a cool holiday and also my son's birthday.
2007-09-29 22:52:51
449.   Andrew Shimmin
Doesn't that beat all?
2007-09-29 22:52:55
450.   natepurcell
Team Unity!!!
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2007-09-29 22:53:12
451.   Linkmeister
"How about that?"
2007-09-29 22:53:28
452.   Icaros
Aw...now that's just cute.
2007-09-29 22:54:01
453.   Andrew Shimmin
My sister spent a year studying in England, and now keeps trying to make our family celebrate Boxing Day. No dice.
2007-09-29 22:54:03
454.   underdog
Hooray! He's a hero. In a meaningless game. But we'll take the win.

Nice to see Hu and LaRoche contributing well tonight.

2007-09-29 22:54:37
455.   underdog
Was that Matt Kemp group-hugging Gonzo? Pretty funny.
2007-09-29 22:55:28
456.   Andrew Shimmin
"We've got some great young kids here. We just wish there'd been a different game plan from the start." LuGo, 9/29
2007-09-29 22:55:53
457.   underdog
Team Unity, indeed. Just a few weeks late. Winning does bring more unity, of course.
2007-09-29 22:56:47
458.   underdog
Above .500, baby! w00t!
2007-09-29 22:57:19
459.   Daniel Zappala
D4P is very happy, yes? But will he be rooting for the Dodgers to lose tomorrow?
2007-09-29 22:57:35
460.   LeeLacy
Well, at least that confirmed a winning season.

Trying to look for silver linings after a couple of weeks of staring at clouds ...

2007-09-29 22:57:40
461.   MikeB
456 - Weaver's 2nd Law of Managing
If you don't make promises to your players, you won't have to break them.
2007-09-29 22:57:48
462.   xaphor
A day off work to watch sports on the telly and gorge on pork pies. What's not to love about boxing day?
2007-09-29 23:00:45
463.   Johnny Nucleo
453 Canadians typically commemorate Boxing Day by going shopping. It's not a very complicated holiday to celebrate up there.
2007-09-29 23:01:02
464.   sporky
Yay, win!

Even Kevin Kennedy is dissing Plaschke, lol.

2007-09-29 23:01:55
465.   dzzrtRatt
456 I think he means two different "we's" in that quote.

First use: "We" the Dodgers.

Second use: "We" the proven veteran leaders.

2007-09-29 23:04:57
466.   underdog
I have no idea what Gonzo means by that - a different game plan, meaning benching his butt and the other veterans from the start? He'd approve of that? Or playing nonstop veterans, no kids from beginning to end? That clearly wasn't going anywhere. Ah well. He gave us some good at bats this year. And I won't miss him all that much.
2007-09-29 23:06:43
467.   sporky
I'm paraphrasing, but this made me lol. Kid is learning.

Soto: "These past few weeks... lot of drama. What's it been like?"

Kemp: "No comment!"

2007-09-29 23:09:52
468.   MikeB
466 - I believe he meant that management made a mess of the roster, and the day to day lineups, and the players never really understood their roles on the club.
2007-09-29 23:10:30
469.   underdog
So after this season the Dodgers free agents will be Gonzo, Roberto Hernandez, Shea Hillenbrand, Olmedo Saenz, Mark Sweeney, Rudy Saenez and David Wells.

Of those, I predict none will be resigned except possibly Sweeney. And that's fine by me.

They hold 2008 options on Lieberthal, Martinez and Wolf.

That lot's harder to predict. I think they may resign Lieberthal if he's cheap enough, though maybe they'll go with the even cheaper Chad Moeller. Wolf, again if he agrees to a cheap deal, I could see them bringing back. I'm assuming Lucille II is gone since they have cheaper in-house options like Valdez, Abreu and Hu, but who knows how deep Ned's love for him goes. But if predicting, I'd say Wolf and Lieberthal come back and Lucille is gone.

2007-09-29 23:11:31
470.   underdog
468 Well if that's what he meant, there's some truth to it. I just don't buy that he'd prefer the option of the game plan being the young players from the beginning.
2007-09-29 23:13:09
471.   underdog
469 Not going out on a limb with my FA predictions there above, of course.
2007-09-29 23:14:59
472.   sporky
469 - How much would Moeller cost?

Grady could be a spokesman for skincare products (How unnerving).

2007-09-29 23:16:15
473.   MikeB
470 - Gonzo never would have signed with the Dodgers if he had known he would not be the everyday LF. Promises must have been made, and were then broken.
2007-09-29 23:20:12
474.   Andrew Shimmin
Where does LuGo end up next year? Chicago (south side), Cleveland, Kansas City (or can Butler handle LF?)? Baltimore would be perfect, if they could get rid of Payton.
2007-09-29 23:21:36
475.   dzzrtRatt
471 Or maybe he's saying he thinks Colletti lied to him and others of his generation. Kent, who's a little nutty, took it out on the young players themselves, but I think Gonzalez expected his veteran-ness and bubblegum card numbers to be respected by management; and that management was going to do its job and explain to the kids that if they were going to be on the big club, they were going to spend most of their time watching and learning from their forefathers unless someone needed a rest.

Gonzalez might have a case here. Colletti might've misled him as to how the season would unfold. Gonzalez might've been given some kind of vague assurances that the Dodgers would do what it takes to win in 2007.

Maybe the second-half letdown was the response when the PVLs realized Colletti wasn't going to follow through by trading youth for the missing pieces that would've put the Dodgers over the top. They had a giant mood swing.

2007-09-29 23:22:06
476.   MikeB
474 - San Francisco. They need an LF. They like veterans. Gonzo signed with the Dodgers and took less money to stay closer to his family in Arizona. He's the father of triplets.
2007-09-29 23:22:23
477.   dzzrtRatt
Oops I was actually responding to 470 .
2007-09-29 23:27:36
478.   MikeB
Gonzo signs deal with Dodgers: Source says ex-D-Backs star lands $7 mil deal
Joseph A. Reaves, The Arizona Republic, Dec. 6, 2006

"Gonzalez, 39, turned down a more lucrative offer from the Baltimore Orioles to stay close to home - in part to continue his tradition of community service in the Valley and in part for the prospect of taunting the team that told him he was too old to play anymore."

2007-09-30 00:04:04
479.   Greg Brock
I must say, one of my favorite parts of 2007 is how the Dodgers, and their fans, have completely ignored the fact that Luis Gonzalez is one of the most blatant steroids users of the decade.

57 home runs. Really. Totally natural.

2007-09-30 00:07:34
480.   Andrew Shimmin
478- Could be. The way Sabean shipped out Morris, I guess it would surprise me if he went back to tossing money at old guys, again, three months later. But it's Sabean, so who knows.
2007-09-30 00:26:40
481.   Eric Stephen
Greg, I'm honored to receive the Pat Haden treatment. Ironically, I also use the Pat Haden treatment to absolve someone connected with Notre Dame if they are generally decent and/or have ties to USC.

I'm watching the fight right now, and Pavlik just got put on "queer street" in Round 2. If Lennox Lewis was the referee, the fight would have been over right then and there. He said "that's it!" when Pavlik went down.

2007-09-30 00:29:10
482.   Eric Stephen
Listening to Larry Merchant is a thoroughly enjoyable experience.
2007-09-30 00:32:40
483.   Bob Timmermann
My cable system indicates that the Washington-Philadelphia game will be Extra Innings "Game 11".

However, my system has just 10 slots for Extra Innings.

Colorado-Arizona is "Game 12".

But I will get to see Tampa Bay-Toronto and St. Louis-Pittsburgh!

2007-09-30 00:36:32
484.   Eric Stephen
483 Always seeing the bright side, Bob.
2007-09-30 00:41:14
485.   Bob Timmermann
484
I can't even figure out why they used 11 for the Washington-Philadelphia game except that it starts at an odd time, 10:35.

I can watch the Mets-Marlins game and that will have the Florida feed. If I could watch the Nats-Phils game, it would be the Nats feed. The Brewers-Padres game will be the Brewers feed and the Rockies-DBacks feed will be from Colorado.

2007-09-30 00:49:15
486.   Eric Stephen
485 At least you will be spared George Frazier!

I just finished the Pavlik/Taylor fight. It was a great fight, despite knowing the outcome.

2007-09-30 01:02:58
487.   Bob Timmermann
Dave Anderson:
Still an angry man

http://tinyurl.com/35h8q6

The NYT writer, not the former shortstop

2007-09-30 03:31:46
488.   xaphor
For an encore, the NYT is planning to dig up a crotchety New England loyalist to pen a piece on the American Revolution.
2007-09-30 04:44:32
489.   D4P
D4P is very happy, yes? But will he be rooting for the Dodgers to lose tomorrow?

Last night's unlikely victory eliminated Bill Crain, leaving:

d4p 82
trainwreck 83
clair malone-evans 83

The keeper of the crown will be decided by tonight's Zito-Stults matchup. Tiebreaker queries should be directed toward Bob.

2007-09-30 07:05:47
490.   Ken Noe
Hmmm...Kent says he wouldn't mind playing with Bonds again, but complains that too many teams are going with youth to make it happen.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/09/30/SPG7SH3FB.DTL

2007-09-30 09:25:57
491.   Bob Timmermann
489
Rock, paper, scissors is the tiebreaker.

Best of five.

2007-09-30 09:42:22
492.   Jon Weisman
Originally, I titled this post "Smell the Bouquet." Then I read this and thought someone would criticize me for not knowing anything about wine:

"Bouquet: The complex of aromas that develops with age in fine wines; young wines have aroma, not bouquet."

I certainly thought "'84" would be self-explanatory - what else does a two-digit number mean when it has an apostrophe in front of it? But, I was wrong ...

2007-09-30 09:42:51
493.   Jon Weisman
I mean, "Savor That Bouquet"
2007-09-30 09:48:58
494.   Bob Timmermann
492
I wouldn't have criticized you. But I know nothing about wine.
2007-09-30 09:53:48
495.   Bluebleeder87
I was just watching Kemps great throw & I gotta tell you, equally impressive was Russell Martins great SHORT HOP catch (considering he also had to deal with a major leaguer running down the line trying to knock 'em down) Russell Martin is just flat out SICK!
2007-09-30 10:02:33
496.   Claire Malone-Evans
Happy 75th birthday Johnny Podres!!! Podres spent parts of 14 seasons eith the Dodgers from 1953 to 66. Podres last season in 1969 was with the Padres in their fist season.
2007-09-30 10:04:12
497.   Jon Weisman
494 - Somebody here must.

New post up top.

2007-09-30 10:08:00
498.   LAT
482 Larry Merchant has a daughter in the same school and grade as my daughter. Actually I should say his grandadughter who I believe he has custody of. He pretty much keeps to himself. I have said hello to him a few times and it seems like an effort for him to say hello back.
2007-09-30 10:11:51
499.   Jon Weisman
Oh, LATty, LATty, LATty.

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