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Still Feeling Kind of Mopey
2007-10-17 09:57
by Jon Weisman

Just about the only thing I can think to talk about with regards to the Dodgers right now is to wish Olmedo Saenz a belated but proper farewell, thanking him for all the good memories he provided us. It was a disappointing 2007 season, despite his one shining moment, but all in all, we did well by him.

Dodger Thoughts continues to be a struggle for me this month, for a number of reasons (that may not interest you at all, to be sure). The season ended on a dreary note. There isn't much in the way of offseason moves to talk about. Other sites have, quite properly, taken the lead in hosting MLB playoff chat.

It would be the perfect time for me to resume writing Dodger historical pieces, which I quite enjoy - or at least update that dang neglected Dodger Thoughts sidebar - except for my endless complaint of not having enough time to do so. My daughter ventured into Kindergarten this year – with a start time an hour earlier than her preschool. That used to be some pretty prime Dodger Thoughts territory for me, but instead blogging cuts even further into my relaxation time or sleep.

I'm hoping things rebound in November, after the playoffs end and after I've culled some of the new prime-time TV shows that I watch partly for work reasons and partly out of curiosity and interest. I'm wary of what kind of news the Dodgers will make, but there should be more to write about. Still, the Angels should have a more interesting offseason, with the combination of new general manager Tony Reagins and added input from manager Mike Scioscia. Skimming the Times today, the odds seemed greater that the Angels would pursue Barry Bonds than Alex Rodriguez.

I should be more excited about the 2008 Dodgers. In one sense, I can't wait for the season to start. But I sort of feel like I'm stuck in line at the DMV, waiting to take a driving test that I should pass, but you never know ...

It's incredible to think that if Takashi Saito doesn't give up an improbable home run to Todd Helton, the best story of 2007 wouldn't have taken place. The Colorado Rockies have become No. 1 on the Law of Averages' Most Wanted, and like any great outlaw story, they've become easy and fun to root for even though we're among their kills. They're chiefly responsible for any good feelings I've had about baseball this October.

I don't think there's much the Rockies did during the last offseason to make themselves NL champs other than to recognize the value in what they had. Most of my waking thoughts about the Dodgers form a silent prayer that they somehow do just that.

Comments (259)
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2007-10-17 10:08:05
1.   Bob Timmermann
On behalf of the Dodger Thoughts community, I think we should take up a collection to either:
1) home school Jon's kids.
2) pay for the governess that Kate Winslet recommended to Jon.
2007-10-17 10:10:05
2.   fanerman
Someone could also offer to take the kids to school. We could alternate days!
2007-10-17 10:16:41
3.   Jon Weisman
My daughter leaves at 7:45 and my son leaves at 8:45. That's the problem.

And it wasn't a governess that Kate recommended. It was a reading tutor - because my daughter reads so well. Yes, you're reading that correctly.

2007-10-17 10:19:07
4.   fanerman
Jon, you met Kate Winslet? I probably should know the story, but I don't.
2007-10-17 10:19:57
5.   Daniel Zappala
If you think you feel mopey, try living in Utah this month, where its getting cold and rainy so I can't work in the yard much and all the peaches are done for the season, there's no baseball team to truly call your own while one celebrates 7 hours east, and you don't have even the smallest chance of meeting Kate Winslet.
2007-10-17 10:24:32
6.   Jon Weisman
4 - The highlight of my Variety career remains breakfast at the Four Seasons with me, Kate, Todd Field and another Variety reporter. We talked about "Little Children" and our little children.

Alas, no such luck this year.

2007-10-17 10:25:02
7.   Daniel Zappala
My reading of the Angels article in the Times led me to believe they're going to trade some youth to the Twins for Santana and that they'll also trade for a 3B stick. You get the sense that they don't feel they have enough young talent to compete for a championship, and yet they feel they have enough to trade away to get to that next level.

If you feel at all apprehensive about what Colletti might do this offseason, I think you'd have double the anxiety as a fan of the Angels.

2007-10-17 10:25:13
8.   D4P
It's 82 degrees here right now. The southeast is enduring an historic drought. It has rained maybe twice in the past 3 months or so. Of course, there's a 50% chance of rain tomorrow, the day I'm flying out of town.
2007-10-17 10:28:01
9.   fanerman
6 Thanks.

You could add that to your wikipedia article. "The highlight of Mr. Weisman's Variety career remains..."

2007-10-17 10:29:34
10.   Bob Timmermann
"Governess" is funnier than "reading tutor" however.
2007-10-17 10:30:11
11.   Bob Timmermann
It's 62 degrees and overcast in the City of Angels.
2007-10-17 10:30:11
12.   Blaine
"The Colorado Rockies have become No. 1 on the Law of Averages' Most Wanted." What a great line. And so true. But I want to see them sweep whoever they face in the World Series. That would be a great story. I have been rooting for the Rockies once the Dodgers season was toast.
2007-10-17 10:33:48
13.   D4P
I have really missed 62 degrees and overcast since leaving Oregon.

I've also missed 42 degrees and overcast, which was more common.

2007-10-17 10:36:08
14.   LogikReader
First to address 12

I think the probability is higher that the Rockies get swept, but hey, a Rox sweep would be awesome!


The 2008 season will easily be the most captivating one I've experienced in the last few years.



I came up with this idea this morning:

Maybe Angel Stadium can flash shots of Sarah Silverman when opposing teams come to bat.


2007-10-17 10:36:09
15.   Connector
I don't think there's much the Rockies did during the last offseason to make themselves NL champs other than to recognize the value in what they had.
A perceptive observation, Jon.
Rockies manager Clint Hurdle gave me a similar impression when, during an interview, he said "my job is to stay out of [the players'] way."
I think it's amazing that game winning hits during the last weeks of the streak have been provided by 12 different players.
Imagine the performance possible if each Dodger player would feel as valued and appreciated as that.
2007-10-17 10:36:54
16.   Jon Weisman
10 - 100 percent true
2007-10-17 10:39:02
17.   fanerman
More NedCo fan fiction on True Blue L.A.
2007-10-17 10:42:58
18.   bryanf
I'm on the same page with Jon. I just can't find anything to get excited about short of the Rockies right now. I haven't had this much of a baseball drought in a long time and I don't like it.
2007-10-17 10:43:41
19.   Bob Timmermann
I would give a lot of money if I could fly out to Japan to watch the Chiba-Nippon Ham game tonight.
2007-10-17 10:49:54
20.   D4P
You'd probably have to.
2007-10-17 10:56:13
21.   Bob Timmermann
I'm not sure if it's physically possible for me to get to that game in time.

I suppose I could ask the Air Force to borrow a supersonic jet.

2007-10-17 10:57:31
22.   The Mootz
Monday was the 19th anniversary of Nancy Reagan throwing out the ceremonial first pitch for game one of the 1988 World Series. Thanks, Nancy.

The rest is history.

2007-10-17 10:58:03
23.   fanerman
Juan Pierre has never played an inning of major league baseball at any position but center field.

Juan Pierre has the smallest hat size among active players at 5 1/4.

2007-10-17 10:58:55
24.   fanerman
I was reading about Juan Pierre on wikipedia.
2007-10-17 11:03:48
25.   Bob Timmermann
I think the 5 1/4 size is wrong. 5 1/4 is the hat size for a small child.

6 1/4 I could believe.

My 10-year old nephew is already at 7 1/2 I believe. He's inherited the family's "gigantic head" trait. He also has the family's "enormous feet" gene.

2007-10-17 11:04:39
26.   Humma Kavula
Juan Pierre has the smallest hat size among active players at 5 1/4.

Pierre of Very Little Brain?

Juanny The Pooh?

2007-10-17 11:04:53
27.   jasonungar07
"I should be more excited about the 2008 Dodgers. In one sense, I can't wait for the season to start. But I sort of feel like I'm stuck in line at the DMV, waiting to take a driving test that I should pass, but you never know ..."

Bravo Jon. That's just perfect in how you explain how I feel.....

2007-10-17 11:05:30
28.   fanerman
25 My hat size is 7 5/8. I think 7 1/2 is about average for an adult male. I also find 5 1/4 to be a little hard to believe.
2007-10-17 11:05:33
29.   D4P
5 1/4 is ridiculously small. I'm at 7 3/4.

"Heed! Pants! Now!"

2007-10-17 11:07:10
30.   Bob Timmermann
I can't find sources for hat sizes for adult males that go lower than 6 1/2.
2007-10-17 11:07:21
31.   LogikReader

Me too! Wow, D4P and I have something in common.

I can get away with 7 1/2 too.

2007-10-17 11:11:54
32.   D4P
It has actually been nearly 20 years since I've worn a hat with a specified hat size.
2007-10-17 11:16:05
33.   Bob Timmermann
I prefer sized hats. I suggested this to the Yankees once. They had a hat giveaway were all the hats were sized.

Turned out to be a logistical nightmare.

2007-10-17 11:16:24
34.   LogikReader
I hardly wear hats at all, but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis... I mean fitted caps.
2007-10-17 11:19:58
35.   fanerman
I feel like an idiot wearing a hat. I think my head is too round. I do wear a Cal hat to Cal football games because I face the direction of the sun.
2007-10-17 11:22:12
36.   D4P
I don't like wearing hats, but I dislike the sun on my head/in my face even more, so I do it.
2007-10-17 11:23:46
37.   underdog
6 Makes me very, very jealous indeed. It would be even better, if there were no Todd Field, nor Variety reporters (sorry Jon), and I was there instead, and it was in a hotel suite... and I {dream} {poof!} Drat.
2007-10-17 11:24:19
38.   Marty
and all the peaches are done for the season

My peaches come in late June/early July and are always completely done in 4-5 weeks.

2007-10-17 11:25:27
39.   Marty
For those of us hair-challenged in Southern California, hats are essential.
2007-10-17 11:27:08
40.   D4P
I face a similar challenge here in NC.
2007-10-17 11:33:01
41.   fanerman
I could not find the reference Wikipedia used for Juan Pierre's hat size.
2007-10-17 11:33:11
42.   underdog
On the subject of the Angels and Stoneman, another blogger, Mark on Bad Alt, talked about Stoneman's departure being partially the work of Plaschke (the Tracy Ringolsby of LA) driving him out of town. Is this anyone else's perception (it's certainly conceivable but seems like there were many factors?) And yes, I know the question many of you are asking is, why couldn't he have shifted focus to our GM instead? ;-)
2007-10-17 11:37:26
43.   LogikReader

Far as forcing out NedCo, that sounds good now, but what happens when we get a good GM and Plaschke tries to drive him out too.

back to Stoneman...

I have a hard time believing Plaschke could have that kind of influence on the Angels anyway.

2007-10-17 11:40:27
44.   Frip
Whenever I wear a baseball type cap around my dad, the first thing he says when he sees me is, very angrily, "take that stupid hat off."

I mean what nerve. Seriously. It's one of those comments that are so inexplicably rude that you can't even respond.

It's like, "you've got yellow teeth, take them out!"

2007-10-17 11:40:33
45.   dzzrtRatt
38 "I prefer sized hats. I suggested this to the Yankees once. They had a hat giveaway were all the hats were sized. Turned out to be a logistical nightmare."

One of George Costanza's unpublicized blunders.

2007-10-17 11:42:21
46.   dzzrtRatt
44 I stopped wearing baseball-style caps a few months ago when I was at Starbucks and some woman said this to me:

"You look just like Michael Moore. You must get that all the time!"

She compared the guy standing next to me to Lynn Swann.

2007-10-17 11:43:01
47.   dzzrtRatt
45 I meant 33 not 38
2007-10-17 11:43:04
48.   underdog
43 Yes, I do, too. And as much as I hate Plaschke and, well, as much as I'm not tickled pink about Colletti, I don't see the good in Plaschke having that kind of say. (I know there was some talk about him being an influence on the Dodgers love of PVL but the jury's still out on that.) Anyway, sorry for even bringing his name up so close to the lunch hour...
2007-10-17 11:44:54
49.   ssjames
My family has very large heads, my hat is a 8, but my brother is an 8 1/4. They don't make fitted Dodger hats for an 8 1/4 head, I have looked.
2007-10-17 11:45:24
50.   LogikReader

I still remember that Fitted Caps Seinfeld Episode. The writing staff must not have been paying attention.

How do you do "fitted cap night?" Easy, just provide supplies of every possible hat size at the gate and just ask the person as they come in, "Hey what's your hat size?"

I've always wanted to say that!

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2007-10-17 11:48:04
51.   jasonungar07
All this "peaches" talk has that stupid song stuck in my "hat size".

"Move into the country, gonna eat a lot of Peaches..."

Is that one of the worst song ever or what?

2007-10-17 11:53:47
52.   Kevin Lewis

Great, now that song is in my head.

"Peaches come in a can. They were put there by a man [pause for effect] in a factory downtown"

2007-10-17 11:54:37
53.   ToyCannon
I've recently taken to wearing skull caps. My eye patch is in the mail.
2007-10-17 11:56:06
54.   dagwich
51 Maybe, but it's one of my favorites. From the classic "John Prine" album, after 30-odd years it still gets a lot of play in my house.
2007-10-17 11:57:16
55.   Marty
I'd wear a monocle if I didn't need two of them.
2007-10-17 11:59:29
56.   ToyCannon
If you wore an eyepatch you could get by with a monocle.
2007-10-17 12:06:05
57.   underdog
Anyone see Diamond Leung's latest post?
>>How would you like to be banned from attending games at Dodger Stadium for three years? That's what this man got for doing, well, this. Hope the YouTube clip was worth it, buddy.<<
2007-10-17 12:07:19
58.   Disabled List
I wore some form of baseball cap, often backwards, just about every single day I was in college. In a related story, I was not overly successful in my endeavors with the opposite sex while in college.

I own exactly two hats today: a sweat-stained Nike swoosh hat for when I go bike riding, and a blue Brooklyn Dodger cap that I wear only to day baseball games, or on the rare occurrence that I'm out in public before my morning shower.

2007-10-17 12:08:06
59.   underdog
The above is what years of "Jackass" hath wrought, I'm afraid.
2007-10-17 12:15:07
60.   Andrew Shimmin
If they'd just hire a team of snipers, this would never happen. Good for beachball abatement, too.
2007-10-17 12:15:50
61.   ToyCannon
I've always been curious how any sport facility can actually enforce an imposed exile from it's facility.
They can keep you from buying season tickets but that is about all. It is not like they have a wanted poster on all the entrances.
2007-10-17 12:27:52
62.   Frip
What would those guys who run on the field do if no one ran after them. Just kinda loiter around looking stupid I suppose.
2007-10-17 12:31:07
63.   fanerman
From Wikipedia:

Kemp's nickname is "The Bison."4 During the second major league game of Kemp's career, on May 29, 2006, Kemp stole second base in the fourth inning, after which an Atlanta Braves television announcer Don Sutton said he looked "like a big buffalo running around the bases." The observation was appropriate due to Kemp's imposing size and surprisingly fast footspeed. The nickname was modified to "The Bison," the more proper term for the North American mammal to which the moniker refers.

Which one of you guys did that?

2007-10-17 12:31:25
64.   Strike4
When all else fails wear a false mustache. Unless you're Bobby Valentine.
2007-10-17 12:37:54
65.   El Lay Dave
I missed this shot from Joe Posnanski's blog ( from one week ago. Is there a widespread perception that Little costs the team that many losses?

I have no idea how Arizona wins games. None at all. They one good starter, a most-of-the-time leadoff hitter with a .295 on-base percentage, and Orlando Hudson and Conor Jackson hitting three-four in the lineup. You couldn't win 90 games with this team in Strat-o-Matic if you were playing in a league where the other managers didn't know the basic rules. Then again, Grady Little is in their division.

2007-10-17 12:46:32
66.   Dark Horse
65-No. That's the sort of knowing, insiderish posturing Keith Law also indulges in. (The snap on Little, I mean.) It's fine, I guess, but like most punditry, it's completely disposable and has little basis in either reality or sophisticated thought.
2007-10-17 12:52:21
67.   fanerman
65 I thought all the losses were because the kids were hitting .350.
2007-10-17 12:58:15
68.   Sam NYC
Speaking of 2008, may I suggest a simple plan (see what you guys think):

1. Sign Torii Hunter to 7-year/$105 million deal. ($10 million in 2008, so it's basically Wolf and Hendrickson's salary for Hunter's.)

2. Trade Pierre to Orioles for a minor league pitcher (d-rated prospect) and kick in $5 million per year towards Pierre's salary. (Believe it or not, Pierre is an upgrade for them in center.)

3. Trade Kent to A's for Mark Kotsay. (That is, if Kent does not want to retire.) The A's get their annual aging veteran with some pop left, and the Dodgers get a fourth outfielder whose body is more suited to limited duty.

4. Sign Miguel Cairo to split time with Abreu at second. He's a team guy who doesn't hurt and is willing to come off the bench. Cairo can also put in time at third, first, and left.

5. Re-sign Sweeney, Saito, Beimel.

C Martin/Lieberthal
1b Loney/Sweeney
2b Abreu/Cairo
SS Furcal
3b Nomar/Laroche (until mid-season, at which time Laroche takes over)
Lf Ethier
Cf Hunter/Kotsay (he can play all three positions and will get 50-60 starts)
Rf Kemp

2007-10-17 13:03:37
69.   JoeyP
Why not just Abreu everyday?

Miguel Cairo?
Miguel Cairo?

Um, Miguel Cairo?

2007-10-17 13:10:12
70.   Sam NYC
69 Abreu has not proven he can play a full season. I think I put the reasons for Cairo -- flexible, team player who won't drag the team down. Sorry, Chase Utley is not available to play backup for a 22 year old with 166 career at-bats.
2007-10-17 13:10:28
71.   Linkmeister
58 I'm afraid I have a few more caps than two.

2007-10-17 13:11:58
72.   LogikReader

What's that one at the top? A PBS cap?

2007-10-17 13:12:45
73.   Sam NYC
69 Just as I was posting, I realized that you took "split time" to mean equal time. That's not what I meant. I am envisioning an 80/20 split in time.
2007-10-17 13:17:46
74.   Ken Noe
I had a college friend whose hat size was over 8. His nickname was "Tuba Head." Anyway, here's my question: what lesson will McCourt learn watching his big money Sox fall to the Indians?
2007-10-17 13:19:32
75.   D4P
what lesson will McCourt learn watching his big money Sox fall to the Indians?

That Ned is a genius for letting Drew, Lugo, and Gagne go.

2007-10-17 13:20:24
76.   fanerman
75 OUCH.
2007-10-17 13:20:57
77.   trainwreck
It's sad how cool that guy thinks he is.
2007-10-17 13:37:23
78.   Linkmeister
72 Good eye. Yeah, it's a PBS Hawai'i cap (pledge premium from a couple of years back). It's even got a couple of zippered pockets for keys and change.
2007-10-17 13:37:28
79.   underdog
If an idiot ran onto a field and no one was there to hear them, would they make a sound?

Or, if YouTube wasn't around... etc.

2007-10-17 13:39:56
80.   scareduck
65 - I always have thought highly of Posnanski, as sportswriters go. It's too bad the Times is set up with a couple hacks. As to Little costing the Dodgers wins, I thought this was uncontestable at this point... who was responsible for keeping Loney on the bench long after it was obvious that Nomar wasn't getting it done?
2007-10-17 13:51:58
81.   Ken Noe
Yahoo Rumors has the LADs interested in Garrett Atkins. Seriously?
2007-10-17 13:52:06
82.   still bevens
I just checked out the Saguaros AFL page. Hu and Dewitt are doing pretty well with their ABs but Xavier Paul is getting crushed. Small sample size, but in 20 ABs he has a .232 OPS and something like a 1:9 k/bb ratio.
2007-10-17 13:57:38
83.   Ken Arneson
68 The A's don't really have a position open for Kent. Mark Ellis is the best fielding 2B in baseball; he's not moving. Daric Barton will be the first baseman in 2008. The DH spot is held by Jack Cust.

I suppose they could put Swisher in CF and Cust in right again to make room for Kent at DH, but that horrible, horrible defensive alignment was a big reason the A's finished under .500.

But really, you could probably have Kotsay for nothing. He's coming off back surgery, he's lost a lot of range, he has little power anymore, and costs $7-8 million. The only benefit is even after all that, he's still probably better than Juan Pierre.

2007-10-17 13:58:45
84.   bhsportsguy
80 James Loney came up (to stay on June 10th), he started that day and the team lost. The Dodgers than won 4 straight where he did not start, he started the next game and they lost, he did not start and they lost. After that, Loney did not start in Toronto where the Dodgers took 2 out of 3. He had a big series in Tampa Bay, the team lost 2 of 3 but Loney started every game.
Then the team went to Arizona and Nomar started taking ground balls at 3B.

When he was installed as the starting 1B, the team had 86 games left in the season, Loney started 78 of those games. And this doesn't mean a thing but prior to his getting the starting nod, while he was on the team, in games he did not start, the Dodgers were 7-3, in the games he started, 1-4.

I don't think you can blame Grady for not playing Loney if Loney isn't here.

2007-10-17 14:00:57
85.   Jon Weisman
81 - You have the word "Rumors" followed by the word "Seriously" for some reason.
2007-10-17 14:01:14
86.   ToyCannon
His EQA was .201, back injuries and center fielders don't go well together. Or for that matter any other position.

Nothing personal but I found nothing in your plan that I would endorse.

2007-10-17 14:02:28
87.   dsfan
In November, Ned will sign Mark Sweeney and tout his veteran leadership. I would be willing to bet a case of Stella Artois on it.
2007-10-17 14:07:40
88.   dsfan
How I would handle Kent:

Inform him that the youth movement will be accelerated, that LaRoche will be given as much of an opportunity to establish himself as the Padres gave Kouzmanoff, that Kemp will get 140 starts and that McDonald and Kershaw will be called up in the summer, if warranted.

Then I would satisfy Kent's desire to play for a contending club and deal him to the one that he approves. One of the AL powers might give up something good for him.

I would then give the 2B job to Abreu.

2007-10-17 14:09:59
89.   ToyCannon
I hope he does. Mark Sweeney fits my criteria for a bench player to the tee.
2007-10-17 14:13:17
90.   yankz
Miguel Cairo is the best .260 hitter in baseball.
2007-10-17 14:15:13
91.   Marty
mmmm.....Stella Artois
2007-10-17 14:15:25
92.   ToyCannon
Jeff Kent has played 3 years for the Dodgers and has 3 of the top 7 OPS+ seasons for a 2nd baseman in LA Dodger History, and he did that from Age 37-39.

You really think Tony Abreu's solid defense and his 280/300/350 offensive line is enough to replace Kent's offense?

2007-10-17 14:20:17
93.   underdog
I have no problem with the Dodgers resigning Sweeney to be a backup and PH. He's good at that. Don't see the big deal with that one. But I'll take the Stella Artois anyway.

Heck, we could sign Joel Cairo for all I care!

2007-10-17 14:23:03
94.   Marty
Then Cairo can scream at Grady "You fat, blundering idiot!"
2007-10-17 14:28:49
95.   underdog
94 I believe this speech would more likely be aimed at the team's GM:
"You... you bungled it. You and your stupid attempt to buy it. {The Twins/D Rays/etc} found out how valuable it was, no wonder we had such an easy time stealing it. You... you imbecile. You bloated idiot. You stupid fat-head you."
2007-10-17 14:32:30
96.   fanerman
92 So you're saying Abreu would produce at Juan Pierre levels?
2007-10-17 14:34:41
97.   Ken Noe
81 Point made, gracious host, but I miss a lot of local chatter hear in the drought-ravaged southeast. Just wondered if there had been any other discussion of this.
2007-10-17 14:34:52
98.   scareduck
84 - I don't think you can blame Grady for not playing Loney if Loney isn't here.

Good point. Wasn't the outfield situation something like this, though? I seem to recall Ethier/Kemp getting shunted in favor of more Juan Pierre/Luis Gonzalez.

2007-10-17 14:35:40
99.   Kevin Lewis

What about something a little more tasty...maybe a six pack of Deschutes Black Butte Porter or Mirror Pond?

2007-10-17 14:38:04
100.   Bluebleeder87
I don't know if this has been mentioned yet but [ ]

Some more tid bits on A-Rod & the Yanks.

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2007-10-17 14:40:58
101.   fanerman
98 Wasn't the OF situation just having Ethier/Kemp/Gonzo rotate the corner OF spots, while Mr. Pierre played every day?
2007-10-17 14:41:51
102.   Jon Weisman
97 - I'm sure the thought has crossed someone's mind, but not a lot of chatter.
2007-10-17 14:51:06
103.   silverwidow
Our probable LF will hit 0 HRs next year. Scary thought.
2007-10-17 14:51:09
104.   fanerman
100 That's nothing really new on A-Rod. Has A-Rod said anything since the Yankee season ended?
2007-10-17 14:51:33
105.   Woden325
38 The Rockies had a fitted cap giveaway a couple of years ago. The logistical problem was solved by only having one size. A size which Juan Pierre evidently would have found roomy.

On me, the cap perches on the crown of my head making me look hydroencephalic.

2007-10-17 14:53:34
106.   bhsportsguy
98 Yes, and this is why the whole veteran grousing thing is so stupid. It was one veteran grousing and two young guys who never knew when they were playing and I blame Ned and Grady for not sitting down with them and explaining what they were doing.
2007-10-17 14:55:11
107.   dzzrtRatt
I imagine Atkins will be shopped around, not because he isn't good, but because the Rockies probably can't afford to keep him and Holliday both, and they probably can't move Helton. They've got a guy, Ian Stewart, who could play third, a very highly touted prospect.

But we've got a highly touted prospect too, and I hope we see what he can do before writing him off. Atkins would be a costly acquisition in terms of players.

2007-10-17 14:55:18
108.   norcalblue

I share your lack of enthusiasm.

I have been a Dodger fan since 1961 when I attended my first game at the Coliseum. I cannot recall a time when I have felt this low. Despite the progress (better than I really expected) of the kids this season, I just cannot get past my sense that this organization is being led by people who have no real leadership qualifications. I have no confidence in either the McCourts or Colletti. I dread the reactionary and directionless personnel decisions that seem inevitable.

My wish is that a civic-minded and wealthy individual will step up and offer McCourt, in a moment of weakness, a sum that cannot be refused.

2007-10-17 14:57:05
109.   El Lay Dave
86 re: 68 Are you sure? I can heartily endorse 1/3 of 5 (Saito), endorse with some confidence another 1/3 (Beimel), and the other 1/3 is not unreasonable (Sweeney). #2, or some other sort of Juan Pierre giveaway is at least worth a thought. I agree with not endorsing the rest, however.
2007-10-17 14:57:15
110.   ToyCannon
Everyone makes a big deal about how a manager has to be a great communicator and yet year in and year out we hear players complain that they have no idea what is going on.
How hard is it to talk to 25 players?
2007-10-17 14:57:52
111.   Bob Timmermann
How does someone go from quarterbacking one of the worst teams in college football to starting in the NFL?

2007-10-17 14:58:05
112.   Bluebleeder87
For those of us hair-challenged in Southern California, hats are essential.

Yup, hats are the in thing here in South Cali.

2007-10-17 15:00:21
113.   ToyCannon
To me Saito is such a no-brainer it does not need to be expressed in a plan. The spare parts issues were just fine, and I should have been more specific about what I didn't like. Which was 1 -4 only because 2 and 3 have no chance of happening in the real world.
2007-10-17 15:01:29
114.   fanerman
110 I would endorse you for manager.
2007-10-17 15:03:30
115.   underdog
111 Because JP Losman is a horrible QB (talent, but no QB smarts). He also played for a bad college team and left early. So Edwards has that going for him...
2007-10-17 15:04:31
116.   D4P
Everyone makes a big deal about how a manager has to be a great communicator

I think that's just part of the smoke used to make managers seem important and worthy of their large salaries.

2007-10-17 15:04:36
117.   El Lay Dave
111 At least he faced credible major college opposition.
2007-10-17 15:05:58
118.   ToyCannon
You still mad that Losman dumped UCLA?
2007-10-17 15:09:07
119.   paranoidandroid
I'm a bit mopey too Jon. Both kids are sick, windy and dusty here in the AV, not much fun watching other crowds having the fun that I wanted in my life this time of year. I am confident and optimistic about the Dodgers future though. I dream of Johann Santana and A-Rod joining our young club and ticket prices remaining the same with my cheapos in the top deck getting me into all the post season games. Lowe in my dream has a huge contract year as does Furcal. Kemp is the next Matt Holliday with a better glove. Loney is the next Fred McGriff, also with a better glove.

Just dreams.

2007-10-17 15:10:05
120.   Jon Weisman
111 -
2007-10-17 15:11:43
121.   fanerman
Off topic: What is the name of the Firefox extension that turns URL text into a working hyperlink?
2007-10-17 15:12:50
122.   ToyCannon
One of my favorites.
2007-10-17 15:13:46
123.   D4P
2007-10-17 15:18:22
124.   ToyCannon
Maybe we should have a dream thread to shake the doldrums. If you could have 3 wishes related to the Dodgers:
1. Russel Martin wins MVP
2. Andy LaRoche wins ROY
3. Loney wins Batting Title
2007-10-17 15:22:55
125.   Bluebleeder87

Matt Kemp still needs some work with the glove but I hear he's working hard in the Arizona Athletic complex (I don't know the real name of it) I hope he also works on his D while he's at it, but I imagine a great FULL year from him would be great to watch in '08, also Loney & I hope La Roche gets some playing time either at 3rd base or 2nd base but I can't wait or '08 ST to come around. Maybe Meloan, Elbert & McDonald make some noise also.

2007-10-17 15:23:33
126.   trainwreck
Losman is actually an extremely good deep passer, the problem is that he is not very good at short-mediate passes. He has looked a bit better this year, but his offensive line stinks so bad that he really has not gotten a fair shake.

Marv Levy and Dick Jauron have no loyalty to Losman and they rather play their guy in Edwards.

2007-10-17 15:23:56
127.   Bob Timmermann
1. Rapid train service to Dodger Stadium
2. Common concourse entrance to stadium
3. Dodgers develop player who can hit 40 home runs in a season
2007-10-17 15:25:23
128.   ToyCannon
What is a concourse?
2007-10-17 15:26:47
129.   El Lay Dave
128 The only place O.J. will still be able to golf.
2007-10-17 15:27:25
130.   fanerman
1) Dodgers win the World Series every year from now until Major League Baseball folds.
2) An infinite amount Dodgers' related wishes.

I don't know where to go from there.

2007-10-17 15:27:59
131.   fanerman
130 should read "infinite amount of* Dodgers'"
2007-10-17 15:28:55
132.   LogikReader
I'm assuming it's like the Staples Center entrance... I love that place!
2007-10-17 15:36:04
133.   Bob Timmermann
"A concourse is a place where pathways or roads meet, such as in a hotel, convention center, a railway station, an airport terminal, a hall, or other space."
2007-10-17 15:36:06
134.   D4P
Dodgers develop player who can hit 40 home runs in a season

Adrian Beltre!

2007-10-17 15:36:20
135.   fanerman
More reasonable wishes:

1) Dodger organization (front office, vets, etc.) has faith in the kids and youth movement. i.e., no trading prospects for has-beens.
2) Youth movement pays off and we get a playoff run worth remembering.
2) Matt Kemp has a breakout, 40 home-run, year while playing CF, "The Bison" nickname gains prominence, and real American Bison (the animal) preservation efforts get a boost from his popularity.

2007-10-17 15:39:24
136.   trainwreck
1)Frank McCourt sells me the Dodgers for a dollar.
2)Dodgers trade Juan Pierre for Grady Sizemore.
3)Dodgers trade Esteban Loaiza for Justin Verlander.
2007-10-17 15:40:03
137.   underdog
127 This one: "1. Rapid train service to Dodger Stadium" is definitely on my wish list, too. It would be nice if Dodger Stadium joined the 21st century in that regard, or even the 20th. I think LA is more open to public transit these days, given traffic, the cost of gas, global warming, pollution and perhaps most nightmarish of all, the Dodger Stadium parking lot.

I'd be happy with Fanerman's #3 above, too.

2007-10-17 15:40:41
138.   underdog
136 You just made the genie explode.
2007-10-17 15:41:24
139.   ToyCannon
Clippers 1st pre-season game tomorrow night at Staples is on the same night as the Dixie Chicks/Eagles show at the brand new Nokia center which is right across from Staples. Think anyone will be willing to trade tickets with me?
2007-10-17 15:42:36
140.   El Lay Dave
1. Dodger Stadium equipped with new technology that cause beach balls to immediately and silently disappear.

2. Matt Kemp takes over CF and goes on to be the next Willie Mays on the field and a model citizen off of it.

3. Logan White commits his entire lifetime to being in charge of LAD scouting.

2007-10-17 15:42:40
141.   Bob Timmermann
I believe the American Bison (Bison bison) is not considered endangered anymore.
2007-10-17 15:43:01
142.   Dodgers49
124. ToyCannon
Maybe we should have a dream thread to shake the doldrums. If you could have 3 wishes related to the Dodgers:
1. Russel Martin wins MVP
2. Andy LaRoche wins ROY
3. Loney wins Batting Title
2007-10-17 15:43:03
143.   LogikReader
I would, if I had them. You mean trade Dixie Chicks for Clippers, yes?
2007-10-17 15:43:58
144.   Kevin Lewis

Busch Stadium has a great concourse entrance.

2007-10-17 15:45:44
145.   Dodgers49
142. Sorry about the mixup. The actual post is on the way. :-)
2007-10-17 15:45:57
146.   ToyCannon
Did you just copy my wishes?
2007-10-17 15:46:19
147.   Dodgers49
124. 1. Russel Martin wins MVP
2. Andy LaRoche wins ROY
3. Loney wins Batting Title

I'd go for #2. I expect Martin to have another team MVP season in 2008 while not winning the League MVP. I expect Loney to win a batting title some year but probably not 2008. However, I expect 3rd base to be Nomar's to lose next year so LaRoche winning the ROY would have the most meaning the way I see it.

2007-10-17 15:47:18
148.   D4P
I'm gonna be in M'waukee, Wis-can-sin this weekend. Unfortunately, it looks as if there are no Jamba Juices there.
2007-10-17 15:48:09
149.   LogikReader
Yes, but just imagine... 40 different kinds of sausage!
2007-10-17 15:48:21
150.   ToyCannon
Yes, but if Martin wins the MVP then it means that more then likely the Dodgers made the playoffs.
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2007-10-17 15:49:11
151.   ToyCannon
You travel alot.
2007-10-17 15:52:21
152.   Eric Enders
1. Russell Martin wins World Series MVP
2. Matt Kemp wins World Series MVP
3. Clayton Kershaw wins World Series MVP

And I don't mean Yeager-Guerrero-Cey-style.

2007-10-17 15:52:47
153.   Bob Timmermann
My sources tell me that there is only one Jamba Juice in the Badger State and it's in Madison.
2007-10-17 15:53:11
154.   D4P
It's a recent thing. When I turned 23, I had only been to 5 states. Now, some 10 years later, I think I've been to 26.
2007-10-17 15:53:50
155.   underdog
Off subject but cool - Young Indiana Jones Chronicles comes to dvd for first time next week...
So does the last Sopranos set!
And Days of Heaven and Breathless, Criterion editions!
A fine week for DVDs.
2007-10-17 15:54:06
156.   Bob Timmermann
I just sent you an e-mail Eric to the "research" address.
2007-10-17 15:54:28
157.   Bob Timmermann
Which apparently is dead.
2007-10-17 15:54:30
158.   D4P
I had already looked that up.
2007-10-17 15:55:30
159.   Eric Enders
156 That would be the one that doesn't work anymore.

Try enders >>>at<<<

2007-10-17 15:55:38
160.   Bob Timmermann
By the time I was 23, I had already been to 15 states. And that included Oregon!

But I add new ones more slowly.

2007-10-17 15:58:11
161.   Eric Enders
At 23, I'd been to about 42 or 43 states. It took me another 7 years or so to get the remaining ones.

And if I learned one thing from the experience, it's that you should skip Delaware.

2007-10-17 15:58:21
162.   Icaros
D4P won't have as much fun as he did in SF because Wisconsin has even less Icaroses than it does Jamba Juices.
2007-10-17 15:59:02
163.   Bob Timmermann
Note to Jon. It was not me! I'm innocent!
2007-10-17 16:02:11
164.   underdog
162 And no Tenderloin in Milwaukee, I'll bet!
2007-10-17 16:02:16
165.   Jon Weisman
Am I going to have to post the Delaware rule on the sidebar?
2007-10-17 16:02:54
166.   fanerman
I've been to about 15 states, most of them when I was just a kid. I don't think I've ever been to Delaware before.
2007-10-17 16:05:27
167.   Icaros

I hear they have some tender loins, though.

2007-10-17 16:10:45
168.   fanerman
According to Wikipedia, American Bison are considered "Conservation Dependent." It's 3 steps up from "Endangered" and lies in the "Lower Risk" tier ("Endangered" lies in the "Threatened" tier). This is based on the Conservation status spectrum, from the IUCN Red List of Threatened Species.
2007-10-17 16:12:56
169.   Marty
At 23 I'd been to Arizona. For about a half-hour.
2007-10-17 16:13:27
170.   Bob Timmermann
I'm a Department of Interior kind of guy when it comes to endangered species.
2007-10-17 16:17:03
171.   Jim Hitchcock
161 ,165 I'm a Delaware Indian, and we have nothing to do with Delaware the State.
2007-10-17 16:19:14
172.   trainwreck
I am 23 and I have been to Arizona briefly (saw Grand Canyon) and I have been to Nevada numerous times to go to Vegas.
2007-10-17 16:21:27
173.   jasonungar07
I got 4 at once in a half hour Marty! Beat that! I was 12. We went to the 4 corners. In my parents conversion van.

"The Four Corners is the survey point at the intersection of the four U.S. states of Utah, Colorado, New Mexico, and Arizona."

2007-10-17 16:21:38
174.   underdog
If I really wanted to annoy Jon, I could repost the Simpsons quotes on Delaware I posted here yesterday - kill two unwritten rule violations with one stone. But I won't!
2007-10-17 16:22:38
175.   Robert Fiore
Here's a pleasant little bit of news from MLB Trade Rumors (apologies if someone's beat me to this): The Dodgers were just lousy enough that they don't have to give up their first round pick if they sign a Class A free agent.

You know Jon, if the idea is taking a break, there's such a thing as guest bloggers. You could invite writers you think are interesting to write up non-topical postings, gather 15 to 30 of them and mete them out.

2007-10-17 16:27:09
176.   Marty
All Jon has to do is put up a "nothing to see here" post and we fill it up with a few hundred comments.
2007-10-17 16:29:13
177.   Eric Enders
"You could invite writers you think are interesting to write up non-topical postings, gather 15 to 30 of them and mete them out."

Except that would probably be just as time-consuming as the blogging Jon hasn't had time to do.

Not to mention that, even with the number of fantastic commenters we have, it'd be hard to find that many guest bloggers who could write at the level Jon does.

2007-10-17 16:36:40
178.   El Lay Dave
14 states + D.C. by the time I was 23, but I've only added 8 since. It's the center of the country that eludes me; I've only been to two states entirely east of the Rockies and without an Atlantic coastline. (I don't count airport layovers in Dallas and Atlanta, so Texas and Georgia remain unvisited.)
2007-10-17 16:37:39
179.   Marty
I forgot to take Vegas into account. But I consider that an extension of California.
2007-10-17 16:40:38
180.   El Lay Dave
175 The links to the other Toaster blogs and the links to other "Dodger Sites" sort of accomplishes the same thing.
2007-10-17 16:45:16
181.   Howard Fox
I'm kind of late here, and it may have been said here already, but the Rockies GM, with backing from those around him, made a conscientious decision a few years ago to develop from within and grow with their kids. I believe they made that decision prior to some of their kids having arrived in their organization.

I know their streak is a once in a lifetime occurrence, but it wouldn't have happened without placing great reliance on their youngsters.

I don't have the faith in Coletti that he will see our kids through. My gut tells me that one by one over the next couple/three years we will see the kids disappear in favor of the veterans fulfilling our perceived needs of that moment.

Pierre, Nomar's extension, Loaiza, Hendrickson...I fear that will be the norm as long as Coletti is here.

I hope I am wrong, but tendencies are tendencies...why tout the invasion of our youthful stars and sign in fading stars to block their emergence. Not once, but at every opportunity.

I don't see happy days ahead, just more frustration and head scratching.

But then again, what do I know.

2007-10-17 17:04:33
182.   Bluebleeder87
by the time I was 23 I visited Frisco & San Diego (on baseball tournaments) that's all I got.
2007-10-17 17:12:20
183.   Daniel Zappala
I don't understand what Jon has for Delaware.

Every fall there is a roundup of bison on Antelope Island State Park, in which they herd them into the pens in a ranch for the winter. They then have an auction, presumably for bison burgers and not for greener pastures.

2007-10-17 17:13:37
184.   fanerman
Well, it's greener pastures for the good bison.
2007-10-17 17:14:00
185.   Daniel Zappala
When I lived in Oregon, I met lots of people who had never been out of state and had never been on an airplane.
2007-10-17 17:23:51
186.   dzzrtRatt
At this moment, my Dodger-related mood is anger about the team's failure to resign Adrian Beltre. I'm also annoyed at how much work I have to do.

To make me feel better, I'm listening to the new album by Robert Plant and Alison Kraus, which Rhapsody is letting you hear before its release.

2007-10-17 17:28:09
187.   Jon Weisman
183 - Delaware is like Chad Fonville. One shouldn't make more of it than there is, but it left me with fond memories and has some nice qualities that shouldn't be dismissed.
2007-10-17 17:33:56
188.   Bob Timmermann
Read about famous Delawarians who played in the big leagues:

Including a certain former second baseman for the Dodgers.

2007-10-17 17:39:54
189.   Jon Weisman
Delino DeShields was a Dodger when I dabbled in Delaware.
2007-10-17 17:44:59
190.   Jacob L
Chad Fonville is one versatile metaphor.
2007-10-17 17:45:17
191.   Bob Timmermann
There are still no Delawarians in the Hall of Fame.

Kevin Mench better get to work.

2007-10-17 17:59:50
192.   Suffering Bruin
Just read the post today...

I don't think there's much the Rockies did during the last offseason to make themselves NL champs other than to recognize the value in what they had. Most of my waking thoughts about the Dodgers form a silent prayer that they somehow do just that.

Amen, brother. Amen...

2007-10-17 18:23:52
193.   Bluebleeder87
I heard the Dodgers were interested in hiring Leo Mezzone (sp) I wonder if there's any truth to that.
2007-10-17 18:27:47
194.   bhsportsguy
For those of you who have the time and want to answer to those who watch games over the computer, is hiring for positions as a stats stringer (see below), reporter and that dude who tracks the pitches for Gameday.

2007-10-17 18:34:36
195.   trainwreck
Where are you at emotionally in the JMison Morgan recruitment?
2007-10-17 18:35:46
196.   Bob Timmermann
Don't expect to get a reply from telling you "no thanks."

I even "know a guy" and that hasn't helped.

I think you need to "know two guys."

2007-10-17 18:40:50
197.   Bluebleeder87

Thanks for the encouragement Bob.

2007-10-17 18:47:33
198.   Bob Timmermann
My life centers around crushing people's hopes.
2007-10-17 18:54:17
199.   Bluebleeder87
as oddly as this might sound (& maybe I'm wrong on this because I've never worked for baseball) but I'd hate to call one of my true passions WORK
2007-10-17 19:09:47
200.   Bluebleeder87
Maybe cause I read this [ ] subconsciously I was discouraged or something. :o)
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2007-10-17 19:11:47
201.   regfairfield
193 If it's true, then we need to do it. The studies I've seen on the Mazzonne effect say he's the equivalent of adding Johan to your pitching staff.

Of course, those were done before he went to Baltimore.

2007-10-17 19:32:46
202.   Kevin Lewis

Bob is just telling it like it is. I applied for the job and got no response. I am still holding out on "knowing somebody" some day, so I can be the ball boy that sits along the foul line at Dodger Stadium.

2007-10-17 19:50:38
203.   Bob Timmermann
I've only applied for two employers in my life who were soliciting applications and did not even get a rejection letter from them:
2) the Los Angeles Times
2007-10-17 19:55:10
204.   El Lay Dave
We all know a guy that got us a private meeting with Frank McCourt!
2007-10-17 20:06:46
205.   Dodgers49
201. This possibility appeared in Ken Gurnick's Mailbag a few days ago.

Will the Dodgers' coaching staff return in 2008?

The fact that the coaching staff wasn't immediately extended at the end of the season is a strong indication that at least some changes will be made. One likely change is Bill Mueller, who is expected to resume a front-office role after taking over as batting coach for Eddie Murray. The availability of former Baltimore pitching coach Leo Mazzone raises an intriguing possibility, as he and Dodgers manager Grady Little worked together in the Atlanta organization.

2007-10-17 20:51:24
206.   Frip
Regarding Rockies talk, everyone brings up the Tigers layoff before the series as THE reason the Tigers lost. It's just a given.

"Well, look what happened to the Tigers..."

2007-10-17 21:44:38
207.   Dodgers49
Putting together the pitching puzzle

>> Then there's Schmidt, signed to a $47 million contract despite whispers about his health. He'll be 35 next season and coming off major surgery to repair three damaged areas in his shoulder. There's no way the club can count on him as it plans for 2008, no matter how much money Schmidt makes. If he bounces back, it'll be a bonus. <<

2007-10-17 21:49:57
208.   Bluebleeder87

looking at the bright side, I heard they were using cutting edge technology, so I'm hoping for the best.

2007-10-17 21:59:54
209.   Dodgers49
208. I heard the same thing. They seemed to feel that because of this cutting edge technology he could be ready for spring training. So I get the feeling, despite what Gurnick says, that the Dodgers are actually counting on Schmidt for next season. It's just a feeling I got based on some statements made by the organization earlier. Should make for an interesting spring. But first, I've got to get through the winter. :-)
2007-10-17 22:15:46
210.   Eric Enders
There is a fine line between cutting edge technology and experimental technology, and my impression has always been that Schmidt's operation was more of the latter.
2007-10-17 22:32:47
211.   jasonungar07
The Rising...

2007-10-17 22:42:13
212.   Eric Enders
211 The Rockies likely will counter with "Magic."
2007-10-17 22:58:45
213.   Greg Brock
Dodger Thoughts? Is this thing still around?


2007-10-17 23:01:51
214.   KG16
If Schmidt is gone for next year, that is going to change the calculus for the off season. Not enough to make a bad trade for Santana, but enough to consider some PVL from the free agency pool.

I can't believe I actually wrote that.

2007-10-17 23:19:39
215.   Frip

Strange, while waking up from a long afternoon nap today, I thought, "what ever happened to that Brock guy"? Seriosly. I was nearly in a sleep state, where the mind isn't really in control of what passes through it. I mean, I don't go around thinking about you, so it's not like that.

2007-10-17 23:33:47
216.   Dodgers49
210. There is a fine line between cutting edge technology and experimental technology, and my impression has always been that Schmidt's operation was more of the latter.

That could be true. I remembered the July 4th article on Schmidt which referred to his doctor as a trailblazer of cutting-edge procedures. Based on that it appeared that Schmidt's procedures may have been considered cutting-edge but that's not entirely clear in the article.

>> said Stan Conte, Dodgers trainer and medical director. "The qualifier is that the studies only focus on labral tears and a lot of pitchers have a combination of injuries."

As did Schmidt, who had scar tissue removed from a bursa sac and fraying of the biceps tendon repaired, in addition to the anchoring of labrum torn off the rim of the socket. ElAttrache, director of the sports medicine fellowship at Kerlan-Jobe and a trailblazer of cutting-edge procedures <<

2007-10-17 23:36:58
217.   Dodgers49
215. "what ever happened to that Brock guy"?

Oddly enough, I came close to posting that same question about an hour ago. Good to see he's still here.

2007-10-17 23:59:42
218.   Greg Brock
Since everybody is aware that I lost my dream job, and that I've been on suicide watch for the last month, it's only fitting that I tell the DT crowd about my next job interview.

I'm interviewing for a Social Science position at Beverly Hills High School tomorrow. Hopefully, the BHHS crowd will realize how awesome I am, and they'll offer me the job.

We'll see.

2007-10-18 00:01:41
219.   Bob Timmermann
You lost your job?

Nobody told me.

Sorry about that.

2007-10-18 00:04:34
220.   Bob Timmermann
And I was serious.

Such is the price you pay for being a know it all. Nobody tells you something you don't know.

2007-10-18 00:07:44
221.   Greg Brock
219 Yes

I lost the dream job

I'm sorry nobody told you

The last month has been very difficult

I've spent the last 30 days crying and screaming

I don't handle adversity very well

2007-10-18 00:13:02
222.   Greg Brock
Such is the price you pay for being a know it all. Nobody tells you something you don't know.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt on this one. I'm pretty sure that wasn't directed at me on a personal level.

I'm assuming our wires are crossed. You wouldn't direct that at me. I'm sure of it.

2007-10-18 00:25:02
223.   fanerman
Sorry to hear that Greg.
2007-10-18 00:34:28
224.   Greg Brock
223 It would have been okay, had I not turned down two other teaching postitions in order to take the job that I never got. But hey, it happens.

My real calling is interpretive dance. Teaching was just a way to pay the bills while I worked on my dance quintet. Really, being employed is overrated.


2007-10-18 00:35:09
225.   bhsportsguy
218 Good luck GB.
2007-10-18 03:25:54
226.   xaphor
Best of luck getting the gig teaching the 90210 crowd. I recommend wowing the board with your dance of the Tet Offensive. Pure magic.

DT will be waiting for you to guffaw it up and dish out the daily goods on who Brenda's sleeping with. We promise not to tell. (Nice one professor. Nudge nudge.)

2007-10-18 04:21:25
227.   CanuckDodger
222 -- Greg, Bob was refering to himself as a know-it-all, not you.
2007-10-18 06:58:38
228.   Bob Timmermann
Yes, I was referring to myself. I'm sorry about that Greg.
2007-10-18 07:10:35
229.   Bob Timmermann
Since my joke obviously didn't work, I guess my plan to go entertain people at the hospice with DVDs of "Pushing Daisies" has been postponed for a whle.
2007-10-18 07:16:20
230.   Greg Brock
229 Sorry. I've lost my mojo. I don'even have a discernible sense of humor anymore.
2007-10-18 07:25:31
231.   Disabled List
Let's get back to making jokes about Delaware.

I always thought "Delaware" was the colloquial name used for the giant traffic jam on I-95 between Maryland and New Jersey: "I won't be there for another couple of hours, I'm stuck in Delaware", etc.

2007-10-18 07:26:21
232.   Bob Timmermann
Yeah, sorry about. Remember that most of my humor is self-deprecating. The balance of it used to be directed at the state of Delaware, but I have to find a new target now according to Jon.

Make sure you have lunch at the Peach Pit after the interview.

2007-10-18 07:31:11
233.   Daniel Zappala
I'm sorry to hear things aren't going well Brock. I wish I could somehow get you a job, but in lieu of that I'll at least revise my wish list for this offseason.

1) Brock gets a great job.
2) Brock is happy.
3) The Dodgers are healthy coming into spring training.

Feel free to send me an email if you need to vent.

2007-10-18 07:41:30
234.   Bob Timmermann
In happier news, Thierry Henry passed up Michel Platini as the alltime goal scorer in French soccer.

Does he even know there was a record? After all, it happened yesterday or earlier.

2007-10-18 08:01:38
235.   Gen3Blue
GB's situation is one most of us know, but I still can't find much of cheer to say about it.

How many days until pitchers and catchers report?

2007-10-18 08:21:42
236.   regfairfield
Interesting new article by Bill James. He looks at 100 teams that were far better than their pythagorean record, then compares them with a similar team that did not overperform. The following year, the overperforming team tends to do much better than the "normal" team, to the tune of almost 3.5 wins the next year. Good news for Andrew.

2007-10-18 08:24:46
237.   Penarol1916
226. I think we all know that 90210 took place at West Beverley Hills High, not Beverley Hills High. Personally, I like the discussion about what states people had been to before they turned 23, but I guess we've moved past that.
2007-10-18 08:36:12
238.   Bob Timmermann
dzzrtRatt found it last night on The Griddle.

But I would comment on Phil Birnbaum's site about the article.

2007-10-18 09:00:48
239.   dkminnick
230 - I'm a big believer that struggles and disappointments tend to be followed by great joys. You'll get a gig, Greg, and it'll be an excellent one. Better than the one you lost. No problem for someone as sharp as you.

Hang in there buddy, it's coming.

2007-10-18 09:02:24
240.   wronghanded
237 To give you your fix, I had been in 19 states before the age of 23, mostly in the midwest and the south while playing college baseball. Sadly however, I have since only been to one additional state, Hawaii on my honeymoon this past August. Must see states before I die:
New York
2007-10-18 09:07:26
241.   Daniel Zappala
I've been to only 17 states, not counting various airport layovers. I've been to 9 countries, though.
2007-10-18 09:09:01
242.   Bob Timmermann
Nine countries?
I've been to 15.

And I've never been to Mexico. It's too easy.

2007-10-18 09:18:38
243.   ToyCannon
Greg, I'd like to offer up the same Pollyanna views as the others here but the reality is that like many Americans you may have already peaked, and the future is just going from one job to the next with each one taking a little bit of your soul until the only respite you find is in a drug haze and meaningless one night stands punctuated by rooting for a once proud baseball team that is now in it's final death throes.

Oh wait, your a Dodger fan not a Giant fan. Your future is unlimited. Go forth and prosper and spread the Dodger word to the young and unimagined.

2007-10-18 09:22:13
244.   Daniel Zappala
242 Oh wait, I forgot one -- 10. But I would never compare myself to you, Bob. You're incomparable.
2007-10-18 09:26:06
245.   ToyCannon
I was made in Glendale, CA
Pecolated in the womb while in Taiwan,
Forced to land in Guam in a military transport by a massive storm. Made it to Glendale, Ca just in time to be born and saw my Dad for the 1st time when I was 2 and then we proceeded to live in:
El Paso, Tx
Huntsville, AL
Boston, MA
Fort Leavenworth, KS
Heidelberg, Germany
Frankfurt, Germany
Alexandria, VA
Glendale, CA
Before the age of 12. Beat that boys.
2007-10-18 09:26:28
246.   Marty
I've been to 2 countries. Mexico and Denmark. Many similarities.
2007-10-18 09:27:23
247.   Bob Timmermann
It's only a matter of time before the Dodger Thoughts version of Hank Snow shows up.
2007-10-18 09:31:34
248.   Marty
When I was 12 I went to Glendale. To a batting cage. It felt like going to a foreign country since I'd never been further west than Pasadena.
2007-10-18 09:34:02
249.   El Lay Dave
Good luck with the interview Greg Brock - the right job will come, perhaps when you least expect it. Like the '88 Dodgers when there was despairing because the team/league MVP was injured, yet, unexpectedly Gibson provided the signature moment, your dream job may around the corner and different than you imagined.
2007-10-18 09:36:59
250.   El Lay Dave
248 I have many fond memories of that batting cage - had to be the one on Colorado, a block or two down the street from Bob's Big Boy, right?

245 You've been everywhere, man; you've been everywhere.

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2007-10-18 09:37:07
251.   Bob Timmermann
Someone should put eyeblack inside Greg Brock's cap.
2007-10-18 09:38:07
252.   Bob Timmermann
I believe I hold the distinction of being the only Dodger Thoughts commenter to leave a comment while on Easter Island.
2007-10-18 09:38:17
253.   ToyCannon
248 I'm surprised we let you practice. We usually kept the foreign riffraf away from our cage.
2007-10-18 09:40:09
254.   El Lay Dave
Atlanta (NHL) fired head coach Bob Hartley yesterday. In their best dream scenario, their next hire would be Dick Loudon.
2007-10-18 09:40:20
255.   Jon Weisman
2007-10-18 09:41:37
256.   El Lay Dave
252 Did you wonder why Barry Bonds crossed your mind?

251 Hmmm, who is the most Jesse Orosco-like around here?

2007-10-18 09:43:58
257.   Jon Weisman
254 - LOL
2007-10-18 09:52:59
258.   Andrew Shimmin
"You know, sometimes we're not prepared for adversity. When it happens, sometimes we're caught short. We don't know exactly how to handle it, when it comes up. Sometimes we don't know just what to do, when adversity takes over. And I have advice for all of us. I got it from my pianist Joe Zawinul, who wrote this tune. And it's sounds like what you're supposed to say when you have that kind of problem. It's called Mercy, Mercy, Mercy."

Until very day, I didn't realize that it was all pretend. That they'd recorded it in a studio in L.A., brought in a fake audience and boozed them up to make it sound like it was recorded at the club in Chicago. Record producers are sneaky.

2007-10-18 11:00:07
259.   Howard Fox
I know, I'm very late to the conversation, but I count 18 countries and 24 states.

Wow, no wonder I am tired.

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