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The Evolution Will Be Televised
2007-11-02 20:38
by Jon Weisman

FSN Prime Ticket, KCAL Channel 9 and will air the Joe Torre press conference live at 10 a.m. Monday, according to Josh Rawitch at Inside the Dodgers. Based on the level of interest, Rawitch said it would be the largest press conference in the team's history.

Yet another record for Alex Rodriguez to break ...

* * *

Jeff Kent and Torre have the same agent, Jeffrey Klein, reports Ken Gurnick of, but Klein says that family will still decide whether Kent returns next season.

I would be stunned if Kent retired and left millions on the table, but then again, I've failed to predict the most recent Paul DePodesta, J.D. Drew, A-Rod and Grady Little departures, so what do I know?

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2007-11-02 20:44:26
1.   KG16
10 different Lakers have scored in the first half... I really hope they can figure out a way to make this work for the next 80 games, and then 16-24 games in the playoffs.
2007-11-02 20:45:28
2.   KG16
Oh, and as to the press conference, I'm thinking the A-Rod presser would be covered by all the local stations and every ESPN channel (all the way to the OCHO)
2007-11-02 20:46:41
3.   Bob Timmermann
I'm assuming that no WGA writers will be needed for the Joe Torre press conference.
2007-11-02 20:47:31
4.   Jon Weisman
3 - Unless the Daily Show planned to cover it.
2007-11-02 20:48:47
5.   Eric Stephen
Speaking of records, hoe likely is A-Rod to break the all-time hit record? Rose stands at 4,256. It seems ludicrous to think about since A-Rod is still over 2,000 hits away, at 2,250.

He has averaged 183-184 hits per year over the last 12 years, and he would have to continue that pace for 11 more seasons to eclipse Rose. He'd be 42 years old when he gets the hit off of Eric Show's nephew if that were to happen.

2007-11-02 20:50:46
6.   Jon Weisman
5 - How many will Pierre have then?
2007-11-02 20:53:10
7.   Eric Stephen
I should amend 5 . A-Rod's hit will come off of Reggie Patterson's nephew. Patterson gave up the hit that passed Cobb.

2007-11-02 20:53:55
8.   KG16
5 - I think it's possible that he makes a run at Rose. Rose was 44 when he broke the record, if I'm counting right. He'll likely need a couple of 200 hit seasons along the way, but definitely possible.
2007-11-02 20:54:54
9.   Eric Stephen
6 JP will finish his career with 2,273 hits.
2007-11-02 21:02:17
10.   KG16
So, what are the odds that Torre benches Pierre? And is there any team out there that will consider taking him? I mean, there's got to be a team with a new ballpark that has it 245 to straight away center, right?
2007-11-02 21:02:31
11.   blue22
9 - Bill James "favorite toy" only gives him a 97% chance of reaching that number. :)

It actually expects him to finish with 2700, which gets him some HOF votes (gack!).

2007-11-02 21:02:46
12.   Bob Timmermann
I posed for my new driver's license photo wearing the white Dodger Thoughts t-shirt.

The shirt isn't visible. However, my poor posture has made me look like I have five chins. Or possibly one giant goiter.

And I glare back at the camera with an intense stare and a bit of a scowl.

2007-11-02 21:04:29
13.   blue22
11 - Actually 2715.1 projected career hits. I don't know how he'll get .1 hits, but I'm confident he thinks of something.
2007-11-02 21:04:44
14.   Robert Daeley
12 That sounds like the beginning to a novel of some sort.
2007-11-02 21:04:46
15.   natepurcell

"Edwin Jackson just misses being A grade"

2007-11-02 21:05:14
16.   natepurcell
12 post pics!
2007-11-02 21:10:10
17.   Bob Timmermann
I tally two chins and a possible goiter in the photo. And there also appears to be a scar on the right side of my throat but that is just an effect of the shading created by my faux-goiter.
2007-11-02 21:10:21
18.   KG16
The Suns are in trouble when Nash has 16 points and 2 assists.

And wow, I've really missed D-Fish the last couple of years.

2007-11-02 21:13:35
19.   KG16
17 - sounds like something out of the Thriller music video
2007-11-02 21:16:10
20.   Eric Stephen
10 He benched Giambi and benched / moved around Damon, so it's not out of the question Torre would bench Pierre.

Pure speculation, but I actually expect the Dodgers to move Pierre to LF, and sign Torii Hunter to play CF. Then they use Ethier and the farm to trade for a pitcher.

2007-11-02 21:17:27
21.   Vishal
15 how do the dodgers have 4 grade A's and 2 grade B's, with more talent in the pipeline, and they're still #20 and behind san francisco???
2007-11-02 21:25:57
22.   natepurcell
Lakers are playing amazing.
2007-11-02 21:26:44
23.   natepurcell
WOOOOOT! 29 point lead!
2007-11-02 21:31:18
24.   Eric Stephen
Torre played in 2,209 games and thus far has managed in 3,843 games (26 of which he played in), making him an active participant in 6,026 regular season games.

Connie Mack managed in 7,755 games, but I wonder if anyone else has participated in more games than Torre.

Frank Robinson played in 2,808 games, and managed in 2,242 games (85 of which he played in), putting his total at 4,965 games.

2007-11-02 21:32:22
25.   Eric Stephen
Is it wrong to peak in game #2 on the season? No matter, tonight's game in Phoenix has been awesome.
2007-11-02 21:34:48
26.   Eric Stephen
John McGraw played in 1,099 games and managed 4,769 (368 of which he played in), putting his total games at 5,500, still under Torre.
2007-11-02 21:35:50
27.   FirstMohican
Lakers haven't looked this good since last fall.
2007-11-02 21:36:09
28.   Bob Timmermann
Connie Mack also played in 723 games and was a player-manager for 289 of them.

If you added in coaches along with managers, I would assume Don Zimmer would have more games.

2007-11-02 21:43:28
29.   Eric Stephen
28 Zimmer played in 1,095 games, and managed in 1,744, putting his subtotal at 2,739.

Giving him credit for coaching in every game in the following years: 1974-75, 1983-87, 1992-2004 (I don't know this to be the case), plus 86 games in 1976, that puts his coaching games at 3,286, which would put his total at 6,025, still behind Torre.

2007-11-02 21:44:56
30.   dzzrtRatt
Straight from one of the most embarrassingly unprofessional press conference in recent memory (except for the FEMA fake press conference), the Dodgers PR staff is going to try to pull off the biggest press conference in the team's history?

That's like asking _________ on a date after being dumped by __________.

2007-11-02 21:47:31
31.   Eric Stephen
30 Maybe since it will be televised, we won't be able to hear all the noises of the conference calling system when people join and leave the call, not to mention the jackass that had sports radio on into the phone.

Also, maybe there will be some semblance of order in the question asking, as opposed to everyone trying to out yell each other.

2007-11-02 21:54:53
32.   Eric Stephen
"We've got 3 more games with you. We're good. We're good."

-Mike D'Antoni, to Phil Jackson, as reported by Ric Bucher

2007-11-02 21:56:50
33.   Eric Stephen
Sasha has reinvented himself with the floppy hair. "Pistol" Vujacic?
2007-11-02 21:58:20
34.   Eric Stephen
Bynum has been a ball magnet tonight.
2007-11-02 22:02:51
35.   CanuckDodger
Can somebody please print out the Bill James' Top 50 list? My good ol' Commodore 64 is having problems with the Sports Illustrated site.
2007-11-02 22:12:48
36.   natepurcell
35 what are the specs on that thing?
2007-11-02 22:23:43
37.   KG16
20 - The Dodgers will rue the day they trade Andre Ethier. RUE, I say! In all honesty, any trade involving a Dodgers outfielder should begin with Pierre.
2007-11-02 22:31:14
38.   Eric Stephen
37 I'm with you, but I don't expect Pierre to go anywhere (except maybe to LF).
2007-11-02 22:35:58
39.   Andrew Shimmin
35- Try this link:

If it doesn't work, email me (my name without the space at gmail dot com).

2007-11-02 22:57:36
40.   Eric Stephen
Bert Blyleven chimes in on the Torre hiring:

Even in a very competitive NL West, the Dodgers -- without yet having made any big offseason moves -- have the makings of a contender. Expect them to get stronger over the winter and while they may not hit the jackpot on Santana or A-Rod, they'll have enough pitching and hitting to make a strong bid to be the surprise team of 2008.

2007-11-02 23:06:17
41.   ToyCannon
Not to be outdone by Laker talk, Chris Caveman played the best game I've ever seen him play, and Jon thank you very much for Brevin Night.

I saw the Laker score, what the heck happened in the desert?

2007-11-02 23:15:57
42.   Eric Stephen
41 Lots of passing, lots of open shots made by the Lakers. Kwame and especially Bynum played wonderfully in the middle. Outstanding rebounding as well.
2007-11-02 23:19:43
43.   ToyCannon
You mean the same Bynum that everyone wants to trade to appease Kobe? That the worse owner in basketball wants to keep for the future? Shocked I tell you, just shocked that the guy Pete Newell says is going to be the most improved player in the NBA can help a team win NOW.
2007-11-02 23:36:45
44.   Greg Brock
So is there an equivalent of PECOTA for basketball? I looked around basketball prospectus and Pomeroy, but I couldn't find anything.
2007-11-02 23:44:11
45.   bhsportsguy
Some of the funniest few minutes in movies is on right now, the blind man scene in "Young Frankestein."
2007-11-02 23:45:54
46.   BlueCrew Bruin
45 Haha. I'm watching the same thing. Classic.
2007-11-02 23:50:08
47.   bhsportsguy
46 My name is Eye-gore.
2007-11-02 23:50:21
48.   Greg Brock
45 What channel? I'm watching GF Part II on A&E.

And thanks again.

2007-11-02 23:52:20
49.   Greg Brock
Dammit, I need a channel here, people!
2007-11-02 23:53:59
50.   BlueCrew Bruin
48 I think it's TVLand (no channel info on this tv). It's a Walgreens commercial right now. :)
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2007-11-02 23:57:04
51.   BlueCrew Bruin
Yep, TVLand.
2007-11-02 23:58:58
52.   Greg Brock
Bahh, I have Good Times on TVLand. Stupid DirecTV. But it's on at 10 tomorrow morning.

DVR, work thy magic!

2007-11-02 23:59:23
53.   bhsportsguy
49 No problem. Glad you could make it.

"Puttin' on the ritz."

This scene will be very similar to what happens on Monday at Chavez Ravine.

2007-11-03 00:04:50
54.   ToyCannon
I don't know of a Pecota for basketball but John Hollinger and his PER is a linear weight formula for calculating how a basketball player is performing. I'm not sure if he does projections or not.
2007-11-03 00:05:52
55.   Greg Brock
I, for one, welcome our new 6'10", shot blocking, three point shooting, outlet passing overlords.
2007-11-03 00:07:52
56.   Greg Brock
54 I'm just interested in seeing what basketball minds think Bynum will do this year and the next.

If he's 80% of what Jim Buss thinks he is*, I can't see why Kobe would want to leave.

*I'm open to the fact that Jim Buss might be an idiot.

2007-11-03 00:12:42
57.   ToyCannon
For the 1st time ever I'm going to be rooting for the Sun Devils against the Ducks just because my Co-Worker is a SunDevil who has been through so many bad times with his team. Here's to Andy and his wee son Brendan getting a victory for Brendan's "sparkies".
2007-11-03 00:17:34
58.   ToyCannon
Because he may not be 80% of that in the time frame Kobe needs. Look at Jermaine O'Neils timeline. If Bynum takes that long Kobe's knee's will probably be shot by the time he's ready to help him make a real run.

I doubt that Jim Buss is an idiot. He just didn't have the luck of his father in drafting a Magic Johnson the 1st year he owned the team, with the best player in basketball already on the team, and then getting the gift of James Worthy packaged from Ted Septian who was so inept they had to change the rules to keep him from hurting himself further.

2007-11-03 00:21:08
59.   Greg Brock
58 Gotcha. I guess, no matter how much I read FreeDarko, that I'll never understand the NBA. It's a much more fluid and abstract sport than baseball.

As a nominal NBA fan, so much of it seems hard to quantify. It's an anti-statistical sport, if ever there was one.

2007-11-03 00:21:33
60.   Linkmeister
57 I dunno. After seeing the Ducks' uniforms in SI this week I almost feel compelled to root for them; they can't possibly like what they have to wear, can they?

Also, I went to UofA; if I rooted for ASU I'd never get another fundraising letter from the alumni association.


2007-11-03 00:27:16
61.   Hallux Valgus
Andrew Bynum is far ahead of Jermaine O'Neil, just because Bynum has the benefit of playing time. One should compare O'Neil's 5th year to Bynum this year to get a decent correlation.

Had Jermaine been given the same PT, his numbers would have accelerated more quickly.

2007-11-03 00:31:37
62.   Hallux Valgus
60 much ado has been made about how Oregon's player's have a lot of input into their uniforms. For instance- the font on the numbers was suggested by a player, because the numbers are slimmer at the bottom. Thus; the players look faster. A player also suggested theweird check marks on the shoulder pads. They look like they belong in the flat bed of a truck, tome, but the players like them.

In short- the players really like the uniforms. It's one thing that draws them to UO. No- seriously.

2007-11-03 00:36:00
63.   ToyCannon
John Hollinger would not agree.

If I had been able to play football at that level I would have picked Oregon just so I could wear their uniforms. It will feel strange to root against them, it is possible that I might not be able to.

2007-11-03 00:49:47
64.   Greg Brock
63 Hollinger, Henry Abbot, and FreeDarko are the only three NBA blogs I read. I really like Hollinger's work, but attempting to dissect basketball seems a lot more difficult than baseball.

Baseball has set situations. Pitcher pitches, batter bats, outcome ensues. Concrete results. Easy to quantify. Basketball relies on too many factors.

2007-11-03 01:50:51
65.   trainwreck
I like Hollinger, but I think he has simple size problems with some players.
2007-11-03 02:31:08
66.   trainwreck
I can't believe Collison may have torn his knee.

Please basketball Gods, let him be okay.

I am blaming Lavin if he his hurt badly.

2007-11-03 06:52:08
67.   D4P
I don't understand people who are down on Bynum. He puts up big numbers in short periods of time, pretty consistently. He gets called for a lot of fouls, but that's not necessarily his fault. I think he does quite well for someone so young.
2007-11-03 06:55:25
68.   Daniel Zappala
If you have an ESPN insider pass, you can get the details on PER projections for this season:

Bynum projects as the 14th best center, ahead of Bogut, but behind Pachulia, Curry, Okafor, etc.

2007-11-03 07:15:10
69.   D4P
I think every JoeChat from here to eternity will have a question with the words "concetrate" and "consistent" in it.
2007-11-03 08:00:11
70.   Disabled List
48 Ok, interesting that GF II gets mentioned here, because I had a mild mindfreak about that last night. I was out having a couple of drinks with some friends and watching the Laker game. Later, when I got back to my apartment, I turned on the TV, and it was A&E showing Godfather Part II. It was right at the scene where the Rosato brothers tried to whack Frankie Pentangeli.

I immediately recognized the bar in the scene as the one I'd just been drinking at. It has a very distinctive horseshoe-shaped bar, and was recognizable even 30 years later. Google confirmed it for me.

I realize that this is probably more amazing to me than anyone else, but how crazy is that?

2007-11-03 08:14:20
71.   Woody
32 Don't feel too bad. On my most recent license,which I got earlier this year, the DMV woman, made me change my hair color from black, to gray. I hadn't even considered that issue. As my height declines, next time she'll probably bring out the measuring stick and announce that I've shrunk 2 inches as well.
2007-11-03 08:23:46
72.   Eric Stephen
70 That's pretty cool. I would like to one day eat at Louis' Restaurant, with the "best veal in the city."
2007-11-03 09:03:57
73.   Bluebleeder87

That's impeccable timing & pretty creepy/what are the chances type deal.

2007-11-03 09:09:47
74.   Gen3Blue
70 Uncanny. As someone, maybe Frued? would say.
It does give you a wierd feeling.
2007-11-03 09:14:23
75.   Sam DC
I'll give that a hearty "wow".
2007-11-03 09:26:05
76.   Frip
It's a long shot, but it seems that with the clout that Torre brings to the club, he may conceivably be able to bench a high contract guy like Pierre, if need be. Grady could not have gotten away with that.

Torre will not be as beholden to Colletti, as Grady had to be. This is a distinct advantage.

2007-11-03 09:28:39
77.   Disabled List
72 "Michael met Sollozzo and McClusky at "Louis' Italian American Restaurant in the Bronx," but in reality, the scene was shot at the old Luna Restaurant located on White Plains Road just off Gun Hill Road in The Bronx. The real owner and his wife played those parts in the film."

I couldn't find out if the restaurant is still there.

2007-11-03 09:30:18
78.   Bob Timmermann
That restaurant gives every customer a complimentary gun with the purchase of the veal.
2007-11-03 09:34:58
79.   Disabled List
78 But you have to go to the bathroom to get it.
2007-11-03 09:36:09
80.   Bob Timmermann
This site:

describes the Luna restaurant as "long gone."

Keep in mind that those scenes in the restaurant were shot over 35 years ago.

2007-11-03 09:51:13
81.   Disabled List
Here's a pic of the bar from last night, if anybody still cares:

Apparently, it's the same location where Paul Hogan groped the transvestite in Crocodile Dundee. It's called Horseshoe Bar now, and like all East Village joints, it's overrun with hipsters on Friday and Saturday nights. But a nice place otherwise.

2007-11-03 10:35:00
82.   Izzy
I wonder if Kemp could learn third. I mean ya, he's goofy sometimes, but maybe...
2007-11-03 10:39:53
83.   Eric Stephen
80 Can you hear that? That is the sound of my dreams being crushed.
2007-11-03 10:40:29
84.   Andrew Shimmin
82- Supposing he could, why would he?
2007-11-03 10:41:41
85.   Eric Stephen
84 Maybe Kemp just really likes the song "Pop Goes The Weasel".
2007-11-03 10:45:48
86.   Bob Timmermann
FSN is really pushing the Joe Torre press conference for Monday.

But perhaps that's my fault because I'm watching Nebraska play Kansas.

Looking through my cable guide, I see that on ESPN Pay Per View, you can watch Arkansas State versus Florida International. Arkansas State is 3-5 and Florida International is 0-8.

Maybe they have large and dedicated alumni groups throughout the country.

2007-11-03 11:03:16
87.   Eric Stephen
The KU-Nebraska game is featuring scoring at the rate of a basketball game!
2007-11-03 11:08:31
88.   Bob Timmermann
Wisconsin is hoping to save America from having to watch Ohio State in the BCS championship. They're tied 10-10 in the second half at Columbus.

I have numerous games I can watch now. The Ohio State-Wisconsin game is not among them as it is on the Big 10 Network which is available only in Cuba and the Maritime Provinces of Canada.

2007-11-03 11:14:44
89.   Eric Stephen
What is the most likely BCS championship game? LSU versus today's Oregon-ASU winner seems the most likely, as I can see Ohio St and Boston College both losing before the season is over.

Of course, I'm still trying to concoct a scenario in which USC can win the Pac 10. ASU probably has to win today, then lose to Arizona or UCLA (and USC of course), coupled with another Oregon loss (to AZ, UCLA or OSU).

2007-11-03 11:21:55
90.   Eric Stephen
All of a sudden, USC hanging 49 on Nebraska doesn't look so impressive. Kansas is up 48-21 with 1:16 left in the 1st half.
2007-11-03 11:25:06
91.   Bob Timmermann
USC's best finish in the Pac-10 would be 7-2.

If they got into a three-way tie with ASU and Oregon, the first tiebreaker would be head-to-head (to head).

If Oregon beat ASU today, but then lost a later game, USC would be out in a three-way tie.

If ASU beats Oregon, but then loses one more game other than to USC, then the next tiebreaker would go in to effect, which would be record against the next best team in the conference.

That could be sticky since you don't know all of the other schools would finish up. USC would have a presumed advantage since one of their conference losses will be against a team that should be toward the bottom (Stanford).

However Cal finishes could be important.

2007-11-03 11:27:21
92.   Bob Timmermann
Nebraska is missing the best quarterback in the country.

Nebraska is also last in the nation in rushing yards allowed.

2007-11-03 11:32:02
93.   Andrew Shimmin
The 2008 lineup I'd like:

C Martin
1B Loney
3B A-Rod
2B Kent
RF Kemp
CF Ethier
LF LaRoche
SS Furcal

LaRoche could spell A-Rod, who could then spell Furcal, as needed, with Young playing LF. If Repko is back, he could spell Kemp and Ethier. If he's not, we'd need a real RF or CF backup option (I'd like Davanon, but I don't care very much). Abreu spells Kent, who spells Loney.

Too bad Kent isn't left handed.

2007-11-03 11:35:08
94.   Andrew Shimmin
Is somebody going to pay Shawn Green to be a starter again, or is he going to end up as somebody's 4th OF? That could be fun.
2007-11-03 11:39:05
95.   Eric Stephen
91 For USC's purposes, the best they could finish is 5-4 (since USC would have to beat them next weekend).

I don't like USC's chances in a 3-team tiebreaker, especially if UCLA delivers ASU it's other conference loss. If UCLA beats ASU and finishes 6-3, the tiebreaker between SC-ASU-Oregon would eliminate ASU, leaving Oregon-SC head-to-head, which would favor Oregon.

USC's best case scenario is for ASU to win today, then UCLA to win out (save for December 1), leaving a 3-way tie at 7-2 among ASU-USC-UCLA. USC would win that tiebreaker by beating the other two teams.

So, there you have it. I'm a UCLA fan for 28 days, and a Sun Devil fan today.

2007-11-03 11:40:11
96.   Eric Stephen
95 "they" in my first sentence refers to Cal.
2007-11-03 11:51:22
97.   Bob Timmermann

Your tiebreaker scenario is unintentionally hilarious!

I have to refrain from comment because a large unnamed university in Wast Los Angeles is involved.

2007-11-03 11:52:44
98.   Bob Timmermann
Wisconsin was up 17-10 in the second half, but the Buckeyes now lead 31-17.

America is doomed to see Ohio State play in the BCS championship game. Ohio State is turning into the Buffalo Bills of college football.

2007-11-03 11:53:26
99.   Andrew Shimmin
Why is "Leaping," against the rules of football? Is it only illegal on PATs?
2007-11-03 11:55:25
100.   Bob Timmermann
You can't run forward and then jump on any field goal or PAT attempt.

It's not a particularly safe thing to do.

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2007-11-03 12:00:22
101.   Bob Timmermann
The early part of the Navy-Notre Dame game proves that Navy is fated to lose to Notre Dame every year for eternity.
2007-11-03 12:00:45
102.   Gr-ool
Thanks for the heads up on where to find Monday's press conference, Jon. I've got my Tivo set for FSPT now...

62 I hate, hate, hate those Oregon numbers, that dumpy font. I'll be rooting for them anyway, later today.

2007-11-03 12:04:16
103.   Bluebleeder87

It's been said that Torre loves speedsters so if anything He'll bat Pierre 1st or 2nd like Grady Little did.

2007-11-03 12:14:08
104.   trainwreck
Is Kansas being good at football a sign of the apocalypse?
2007-11-03 12:17:12
105.   Bob Timmermann
I think it's more a sign of a very favorable schedule. Kansas doesn't have a tough game until the season-ending "Border War" against Missouri.
2007-11-03 12:20:04
106.   D4P
The first and only time I've ever seen a team penalized for "running and leaping" was the Rams in a playoff game back in the late 80s. I think it was the game against the Giants that the Rams won on Flipper Anderson's run-off touchdown in overtime.
2007-11-03 12:30:19
107.   Jon Weisman
I missed the reason why Bob is banned from discussing Westwood Trade Tech College of University.
2007-11-03 12:30:54
108.   trainwreck
After watching that crazy old Kansas fan dance, I totally get why they have to pay their basketball recruits to go there.
2007-11-03 12:31:20
109.   D4P
So'd I. I asked about it, but got no response.
2007-11-03 12:33:21
110.   Andrew Shimmin
I don't know why, either. But I suspect it's Brock's doing.
2007-11-03 12:33:42
111.   trainwreck
I wonder if Nate is at the game.
2007-11-03 12:34:25
112.   trainwreck
I just assumed it is because our football sucks so much.
2007-11-03 12:34:43
113.   trainwreck
*football team
2007-11-03 12:35:07
114.   Andrew Shimmin
Michael Lewis has an op-ed in today's NY Times: Baseball's Losing Formula.

2007-11-03 12:35:15
115.   trainwreck
How did they complete that pass?!!
2007-11-03 12:35:34
116.   Bob Timmermann
It had to do with the missing comments from late last Saturday.
2007-11-03 12:36:21
117.   Bob Timmermann
1. I posted that on the Griddle.
2. There is background info on the author that is relevant on the Griddle.
2007-11-03 12:36:48
118.   Andrew Shimmin
Darn it! I opened the Griddle link, but hadn't read it yet.

Sorry Bob.

2007-11-03 12:37:48
119.   trainwreck
Arizona gets Terry Francona to introduce their lineup, while UCLA gets a player on the team.
2007-11-03 12:38:57
120.   Andrew Shimmin
It's not even the right Michael Lewis? This is like Walter Duranty, all over again.
2007-11-03 12:39:16
121.   Bob Timmermann
Miami's quarterback today is 1 for 14 passing for 84 yards and 1 TD.

He's a high risk, high reward QB.

His team lost in OT to NC State 19-16.

2007-11-03 12:39:31
122.   Marty
Navy has tied it up! Go Middies. How can anyone root for Notre Dame. I can't even understand people who went to Notre Dame rooting for them. That's like people who went to Hell, rooting for Satan*

*I do not endorse the concept of Hell, or Satan.

2007-11-03 12:41:48
123.   Bob Timmermann
My cable system's HD channels are acting all wonky today.

I need to see my UofA football in HD with a proper aspect ratio!

2007-11-03 12:46:07
124.   trainwreck

Chad Moeller is a minor league free agent.

2007-11-03 12:49:29
125.   Bob Timmermann
If Moeller and Kent don't return, the Dodgers will have no players on the roster who have hit for the cycle in a major league game.
2007-11-03 12:53:19
126.   natepurcell
I wonder if Nate is at the game.

I actually just got home. It was our homecoming so I did the whole tailgating thing.

I actually don't like to sit(stand) in that crappy stadium and rather watch the game in my living room.

2007-11-03 12:59:08
127.   D4P
I'm guessing it has been a while since Kansas scored 76 points against Nebraska.
2007-11-03 13:02:02
128.   Bob Timmermann
Kansas scored 83 against Washington in 1923. That was Washington U of St. Louis.

The Jayhawks scored 86 against South Dakota State in 1947.

Nebraska has given up the most points in school history. The old record was 70.

2007-11-03 13:03:26
129.   Bob Timmermann
KU's previous high against Nebraska was 40 two years ago. Prior to that it was 36 in 1899.
2007-11-03 13:05:15
130.   D4P
I saw a website recently that let me look up all the games a team had played against another team in its history. I can't find it now...
2007-11-03 13:06:03
131.   Bob Timmermann
2007-11-03 13:07:55
132.   Eric Stephen
Kansas scored 76 against Nebraska on January 29.

In basketball.

(They also scored 92 against them on February 17)

2007-11-03 13:09:16
133.   D4P
2007-11-03 13:10:40
134.   Bob Timmermann
So is ABC's picture from Tucson not showing up widescreen for anyone else?
2007-11-03 13:10:51
135.   Ghost of Carlos Perez
I just read the article on Baseball's Losing Formula, by Michael Lewis, and I can't believe that guy is an academic. The thrust of his article is that MLB should provide incentives for teams to spend money on fielding a better team. To drive his point home, he proposes a system that would reward the Pirates an extra $4mm in revenue sharing money for a 10% in attendance (the result of having a better team).

Which FA pickup(s) would cost less than $4mm AND produce enough extra wins to drive up attendance by 10%?

2007-11-03 13:12:24
136.   Eric Stephen
134 Mine is also not in HD.
2007-11-03 13:13:15
137.   Bob Timmermann
So I shouldn't take it personally?
2007-11-03 13:16:22
138.   Andrew Shimmin
UCLA would be doing better, today, if this were a game of two hand touch football.
2007-11-03 13:16:40
139.   Bob Timmermann
After scoring a TD to make it 76-37, Nebraska went for 2!

The Huskers made it. They are only down 37 points in the fourth quarter!

2007-11-03 13:18:51
140.   Eric Stephen
139 They didn't want to get doubled up.
2007-11-03 13:20:09
141.   D4P
You always go for 2 when you're down 2, 5, 9, or 39.
2007-11-03 13:20:57
142.   Bob Timmermann
Cincinnati leads South Florida 24-14 in the first quarter.

The five touchdowns have come on two interception returns, a kickoff return, a blocked punt, and a 63-yard run.

It's sort of a touchdown sampler.

2007-11-03 13:23:23
143.   bhsportsguy
UCLA has not lost a game where they have scored in double digits.

I am running out examples of the above statement.

2007-11-03 13:24:07
144.   KG16
131 - that website lists Long Beach State as Cal St-Long Beach, that is kind of annoying as an alum. Not quite as annoying as the fact that we haven't played a game since 1991, and that before that we'd only played in one bowl game (8 years before I was born).
2007-11-03 13:28:07
145.   Bob Timmermann
I've seen a Long Beach State game. I've seen a UOP game and Cal State Fullerton game too!

Ahh, those were the days.

2007-11-03 13:33:19
146.   Andrew Shimmin
Might be time to find somebody else to cover that guy.
2007-11-03 13:33:23
147.   natepurcell
Is UCLA's defense really this bad?
2007-11-03 13:38:24
148.   D4P
Ahh, those were the days.

'Twas a simpler time.

2007-11-03 13:38:37
149.   Jon Weisman
Stanford trailed Arizona before winning, lads.
2007-11-03 13:44:20
150.   unassisted
how about ol lute failing to mention the Bruins when talking about the best teams in the pac 10
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2007-11-03 13:45:08
151.   Bob Timmermann
If you have the special added Fox Sports package on your cable system, you can watch Washington vs. Stanford instead of ASU-Oregon.
2007-11-03 13:45:44
152.   Bob Timmermann
Lute did that in solidarity with me.
2007-11-03 13:47:56
153.   trainwreck
Lately Lute has been sticking his foot in his mouth when he talks about UCLA, so it is best just to avoid it all together.
2007-11-03 13:48:17
154.   bhsportsguy
I get the feeling that this game is just a prelude to the results of Collison's MRI. (Results won't be known until later this afternoon.)
2007-11-03 13:49:19
155.   Uncle Miltie
nate- why aren't you at the game?

Gameday is in Eugene for the 2nd time this year. Apparently someone had a sign that said "it burns when Sparky pees" haha

2007-11-03 13:49:53
156.   Bob Timmermann
Lute Olson can also speak well of Washington State since I don't think he has to worry too much about recruiting against Wazzu.
2007-11-03 13:50:51
157.   D4P
Gameday is in Eugene for the 2nd time this year

You're getting spoiled.

2007-11-03 13:51:58
158.   trainwreck
Let's hope this game is not some sort of sign then.
2007-11-03 13:55:18
159.   natepurcell
nate- why aren't you at the game?

I don't like going to Arizona football games.

2007-11-03 13:57:54
160.   KG16
Westwood Technical College of California is not looking so hot right now.
2007-11-03 14:00:42
161.   Uncle Miltie
159- because the team is mediocre or are the games not fun? do you go to the basketball games?
2007-11-03 14:01:28
162.   Bob Timmermann
Notre Dame leads Navy 21-20 going to the 4th quarter (or soon enough).

Navy missed a PAT for the difference.

2007-11-03 14:04:44
163.   D4P
By my count, Notre Dame has beaten Navy the last 43 times they've played.
2007-11-03 14:04:55
164.   natepurcell

I hate the stadium.
I dislike the student section.
Everyone leaves by halftime anyways
The team has sucked the past 4 years Ive been here.

I do go to basketball games. I'm more into UofA bball recruiting than football anyways.

2007-11-03 14:05:09
165.   Bob Timmermann
You are correct.
2007-11-03 14:06:32
166.   D4P
Are you graduating this year, Purcey?
2007-11-03 14:07:30
167.   Bob Timmermann
Who hosts the Territorial Cup this year?
2007-11-03 14:07:32
168.   natepurcell

Yes, in May.

2007-11-03 14:07:46
169.   KG16
As great (meaning unpredictable) as this college football season has been, I'm going to be really annoyed if it ends up with Ohio State getting blown out for the national championship again. And someone really needs to beat BC, and the Patriots, and the Celtics...
2007-11-03 14:08:59
170.   Bob Timmermann
OK, ASU hosts UofA this year.

I think ASU is home every week this year except today.

2007-11-03 14:10:11
171.   D4P
I think ASU is home every week this year except today

See also: Ford, Stan.

2007-11-03 14:10:29
172.   Frip
People are more excited about Torre coming here than they let on.
2007-11-03 14:11:42
173.   Bob Timmermann
Not D4P.

He wants the Dodgers to be run as autonomous collective.

2007-11-03 14:12:14
174.   D4P
I'm planning to graduate in May, too. For the third time.
2007-11-03 14:12:23
175.   KG16
172 - Torre? That's one of those new KROQ bands, right? I hear they put on a heck of a concert
2007-11-03 14:12:44
176.   natepurcell
This Grisby fellow isn't that bad. Too bad he looks like he weighs as much as I do.
2007-11-03 14:13:28
177.   natepurcell

Thats what happens when you are engulfed by Academia.

2007-11-03 14:13:39
178.   Dodgers49
Yankees Should Opt in for Rodriguez

>> Conventional wisdom is that Rodriguez willfully ignored the Yankees' repeated public assertions that they could not rationally pursue him in free agency because they would lose $30 million from the Texas Rangers when they took over his contract. But the Yankees' assertion is simply a bargaining gambit.

Assume some other team, call them the Dodgers, were to offer Rodriguez $32 million a year for eight years. Remember that the Dodgers are receiving no part of the Rangers' booty. Is it really the Yankees' position that Rodriguez is worth more to the Dodgers than to the Yankees? If the Dodgers can afford to pay the $32 million a year, can the Yankees — the richest franchise in sports — plead poverty?

The Yankees' earlier protestation about the Rangers' money was to make it appear their hands were tied and thereby land Rodriguez at a lower cost. But that bluff has been called. <<

2007-11-03 14:17:23
179.   trainwreck
And Mike Stoops is leading at the half of the Waiting To Be Fired Bowl.
2007-11-03 14:17:55
180.   Bob Timmermann
Anchors Aweigh!

Fumble recovery for TD puts the Middies up 26-21 with 10:24 left at Notre Dame!

2007-11-03 14:20:25
181.   Bob Timmermann
And the two-pointer makes it 28-21 Navy.

Notre Dame will likely win the game on an interception return helped out by a bad call.

Never underestimate the power of Charlie Weis.

2007-11-03 14:22:00
182.   Bob Timmermann
The key to beating Notre Dame is using a QB with an even number of names.

Navy's QB is Kaipo-Noa Kaheaku-Enhada.

Just work with me on the hyphens there people.

2007-11-03 14:24:27
183.   D4P
His name is hyphen-aided.
2007-11-03 14:28:16
184.   Bob Timmermann
I believe Navy had six sacks in its first seven games and I think they have three today.
2007-11-03 14:35:00
185.   Uncle Miltie
D4P- I talked to some people in the econ department a few days ago and it sounds like Ed Whitelaw will be returning next fall. I'll try to take a class with him. One of my friends also recommended Bruce Blonigen.
2007-11-03 14:36:44
186.   Bluebleeder87
Everybody should just lay off Nate, the guy doesn't like Zona stadium, is that to hard to understand.
2007-11-03 14:36:50
187.   Bob Timmermann
As I expected, Notre Dame tied it up with 4 minutes left. They even converted a 4th and 14 with their truly mediocre backup QB.
2007-11-03 14:42:54
188.   D4P
Great. Whitelaw, Blonigen, and Harbaugh are all good options, with Whitelaw being a must. Blonigen's Industrial Organization classes were better than his International Trade classes, but that's just because the former is more interesting than the latter. Harbaugh does really interesting stuff. I think he wrote a book called something like "Economic Experiments You Can Use On Your Kids".
2007-11-03 14:48:34
189.   Bob Timmermann
I really think Navy would be better served just lobbing some nuclear tipped warheads into South Bend.
2007-11-03 14:49:04
190.   trainwreck
Football 101 right there.
2007-11-03 14:50:58
191.   Eric Stephen
189 The world would be better off, that's for sure.
2007-11-03 14:52:13
192.   Bob Timmermann
Notre Dame will have around a 42-yard field goal for what would likely be the win with 45 seconds left.

Somebody needs to go to South Bend and drive a stake in the heart of the undead that walk around there.

2007-11-03 14:52:33
193.   Bob Timmermann
Whoops, Weis is going for it.
2007-11-03 14:52:54
194.   KG16
2007-11-03 14:53:05
195.   Bob Timmermann
And Notre Dame didn't make it as Sharpley was sacked.

The undead live!

2007-11-03 14:53:10
196.   trainwreck
Way to go Navy.
2007-11-03 14:53:15
197.   Eric Stephen
You're allowed to run and jump over the top on defense!

The world rejoices.

2007-11-03 14:53:15
198.   KG16
Greatest Sack in the History of Football
2007-11-03 14:55:36
199.   Bob Timmermann
The Middies still keeping their hopes to make it to the Poinsettia Bowl alive!
2007-11-03 14:58:57
200.   trainwreck
Finally!!!! Rashaan!!!
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2007-11-03 14:59:12
201.   Bob Timmermann
Free football in South Bend!

Technically, the stadium is not in the city of South Bend, but you have to work with me here people.

2007-11-03 15:00:37
202.   KG16
So, I'm flipping through the channels and I come across the most bizarre product I've ever seen... Darth Vader/Death Star Transformer.

Let that sink in for just a moment.

2007-11-03 15:01:39
203.   trainwreck
Just move Rashaan back to wide receiver and let him play.
2007-11-03 15:03:14
204.   trainwreck
Michael Roll and Josh Shipp just got hurt at a coaching clinic.

What did I do to deserve this?

2007-11-03 15:04:03
205.   Bob Timmermann
Ahh, I always love Tom Hammond's exaggerations on Notre Dame broadcasts:

"Evan Sharpley, games like this is where Notre Dame legends are made!"

They're 1-7 and playing Navy!

2007-11-03 15:11:24
206.   natepurcell
What the....The ABC sideline reporter was just in my old from freshmen year.
2007-11-03 15:11:37
207.   natepurcell
*old dorm.
2007-11-03 15:12:18
208.   Bob Timmermann
Could you write that again so it makes sense?

Is the missing word "dorm"?

2007-11-03 15:14:02
209.   Eric Stephen
Now that was a punt. Nice bounce/roll!
2007-11-03 15:14:51
210.   natepurcell

I wish I had a prize to give you.

2007-11-03 15:15:56
211.   Bob Timmermann
Your admiration is all I want.
2007-11-03 15:17:31
212.   Eric Stephen
Why isn't NBC using the yellow line in overtime? First downs can still happen!
2007-11-03 15:18:02
213.   natepurcell
Living in the stadium isn't as grand as he was making it out to be.

The rooms are like prison cells with the cement walls and the community bathroom were probably infested with STDs.

2007-11-03 15:19:04
214.   natepurcell
I should say community bathrooms since a co-ed bathroom was not allowed.
2007-11-03 15:19:17
215.   Bob Timmermann
About the STDs in the bathroom...

Let's have a talk about that...

2007-11-03 15:19:27
216.   KG16
"and the community bathroom were probably infested with STDs"... isn't that every dorm at every university in America?
2007-11-03 15:20:26
217.   Bob Timmermann
So if you turned on one tap, you got syphilis and you turned on another, you got herpes?
2007-11-03 15:22:18
218.   Eric Stephen
C'mon Navy. 25 yards is all you need.
2007-11-03 15:22:25
219.   natepurcell

Something like that.

2007-11-03 15:22:28
220.   KG16
Navy needs a touch down to win, a field goal to force a third overtime
2007-11-03 15:22:30
221.   Andrew Shimmin
217- Only if the tap turned you on, back.
2007-11-03 15:22:33
222.   nofatmike
I think I'm going to buy an apartment when I go to college...
2007-11-03 15:22:58
223.   trainwreck
Greatest topic of conversation ever.
2007-11-03 15:24:17
224.   KG16
Navy's QB is being rather selfish, they should trade him to Chicago or Dallas
2007-11-03 15:27:30
225.   natepurcell
I think I'm going to buy an apartment when I go to college...

I definitely recommend living in a dorm your freshmen year. It's a great way to meet new people and get accustomed to college life. If you can, get a dorm where you have suite style bathrooms.

2007-11-03 15:27:38
226.   KG16
trickeration doesn't quite work for the Midshipmen. As a side note, what are Navy women's teams called?

Third overtime, no more PATs

2007-11-03 15:30:05
227.   KG16
2007-11-03 15:30:49
228.   Marty
Nice throw by Makalaka Hey Maka Hinieho
2007-11-03 15:31:07
229.   Bob Timmermann
I believe the Navy women just call themselves "the Mids."
2007-11-03 15:32:17
230.   das411
Go Navy!, the green guy dancing in the end zone!
2007-11-03 15:34:26
231.   Bob Timmermann
Ahh, officially the Navy women's teams call themselves "Midshipmen."
2007-11-03 15:34:52
232.   Andrew Shimmin
This'll either be the last play of the game at ND, or else it won't.
2007-11-03 15:37:42
233.   Eric Stephen
Tyone Willingham's first 34 games at Notre Dame: 21-13 record

Charlie Weis through his first 34 games at ND: 20-14

Since beating Army last November 18, Notre Dame has played 11 games. Their only win came against Westwood Technical College Prep, or whatever Bob is calling it now.

I hope George W. Bush isn't planning to go to Dallas on November 23.

2007-11-03 15:38:05
234.   trainwreck
Bob was totally right about the refs giving ND the win.
2007-11-03 15:38:11
235.   Bob Timmermann
Ahh, that was some Fiesta Bowl penalty calling there.
2007-11-03 15:38:18
236.   KG16
There is no worse phrase in football than, "There is a flag on the play!"
2007-11-03 15:38:38
237.   Eric Stephen
Wow, I hit submit before I saw the flags.

I thought the refs from the Ohio St-Miami Fiesta Bowl were all gone!

Sorry for the jinx America!

2007-11-03 15:40:09
238.   Eric Stephen
I stand by 233 !!!
2007-11-03 15:40:45
239.   trainwreck
Lou Holtz said he was going to quit if ND lost.

Hold your end of the bargain, Lou!!

2007-11-03 15:40:48
240.   Andrew Shimmin
2007-11-03 15:40:52
241.   Eric Stephen
Why am I celebrating a win by a school I don't care about against a now 1-8 team?

Because I am a vengeful and petty man.

2007-11-03 15:40:53
242.   Bob Timmermann
Justice prevails.

Call off the nuclear strike!

2007-11-03 15:41:02
243.   Marty
And Washington's head coach chuckles.
2007-11-03 15:41:17
244.   Bob Timmermann
I can agree with that.
2007-11-03 15:42:43
245.   Eric Stephen
244 Bob, you agree that I am vengeful and petty? Or that every Notre Dame defeat is a life force that needs to be nurtured so it may grow?
2007-11-03 15:43:29
246.   Marty
Does Oregon play any road games?
2007-11-03 15:44:32
247.   Marty
I'm rooting for the Web Foots. I don't like Dennis Erickson.
2007-11-03 15:45:26
248.   Eric Stephen
The Pontiac game changing performance commercial regarding the Stanford defeat of USC earlier this season features an edited call of the game that is cut off before Ron Thulin said "Touchdown USC!"
2007-11-03 15:47:05
249.   Eric Stephen
247 Marty, I know it's far fetched, but USC needs ASU to win today.

ASU wins, then loses one more game before USC.

Oregon loses, then loses another.

USC and ASU (and maybe UCLA) are tied at 7-2. USC wins tiebreaker, then wins the Rose Bowl.

2007-11-03 15:49:43
250.   Marty
249 I know, but I'm still rooting for Oregon. SC won't beat Cal anyway.
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2007-11-03 15:49:48
251.   Eric L
How in the heck is Michigan ranked #12 in the BCS?
2007-11-03 15:51:48
252.   Bob Timmermann
USC should be able to beat Cal. The Bears have a lot of problems now on both sides of the ball.
2007-11-03 15:51:56
253.   nofatmike
225 Well I'm a transfer student, so I'm not quite sure I'd mix well with teenagers.
2007-11-03 15:52:12
254.   KG16
251 - because App State has since lost 2 games?
2007-11-03 15:53:18
255.   natepurcell

Where are you transferring to?

2007-11-03 15:53:48
256.   Eric Stephen
Not quite a Prothro catch of a few years ago, but a hell of a catch by Alabama to go up 20-13 on LSU late in the 1st half.
2007-11-03 15:53:57
257.   nofatmike
255 Unsure, still applying.
2007-11-03 15:55:25
258.   Eric Stephen
I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but I do not care for slogans on the field, such as Arizona's "Bear Down".

Oh, and I meant 20-17 in 256

2007-11-03 15:56:16
259.   natepurcell
This UCLA QB throws like Vince Young.
2007-11-03 15:56:34
260.   Bob Timmermann
Arizona has had that slogan on its field for quite a while.
2007-11-03 15:57:56
261.   Marty
I already hate this announcing team.
2007-11-03 15:58:28
262.   Eric Stephen
UCLA no longer controls its own destiny in the Pac 10 race.
2007-11-03 15:59:12
263.   KG16
Where is Petro today?
2007-11-03 15:59:55
264.   Greg Brock
Go Navy!
2007-11-03 16:00:06
265.   Bob Timmermann
But when you think about it, if it's destiny can you control it?

I'm going over to Calvinist Thoughts to discuss this.

2007-11-03 16:00:33
266.   Eric Stephen
263 Hopefully, nursing his wounds following his radical vocal chord removal surgery.
2007-11-03 16:01:16
267.   Eric Stephen
265 I know, I just like typing/saying that phrase.
2007-11-03 16:02:07
268.   Marty
It should be: Where is Petros to DAY
2007-11-03 16:03:31
269.   trainwreck
Rushing the field for beating UCLA?
2007-11-03 16:03:54
270.   Bob Timmermann
Petros Papadakis is in Berkeley for the Cal-Wazzu game.
2007-11-03 16:04:54
271.   Bob Timmermann
I like Petros Papadakis a lot. He's funny and intelligent and also not a self-righteous blowhard.
2007-11-03 16:04:55
272.   KG16
270 good, because a Saturday isn't complete without Petros slobbering all over a mic
2007-11-03 16:05:31
273.   KG16
actually, I like him too, he just gets a tad hyper at times. Still better than Steve Lyons, though.
2007-11-03 16:05:34
274.   D4P
My ESPN is still showing Cincy-USF.

Come on!

2007-11-03 16:06:26
275.   D4P
And there's still over 10 stupid minutes left.
2007-11-03 16:09:00
276.   Bob Timmermann
This will teach you never to leave home.
2007-11-03 16:09:30
277.   Greg Brock
274 The Ducks game is on FSN.

Or were you referring to some other game?

2007-11-03 16:10:21
278.   KG16
More importantly Major League is on Spike TV. Just started, it's a spring training.
2007-11-03 16:11:09
279.   trainwreck
Go to ESPN Classic.
2007-11-03 16:11:42
280.   Bob Timmermann
OU-ASU is only on FSN in Pac-10 country.
2007-11-03 16:12:33
281.   Marty
A young man in a beard carrying a bible in one hand and a 4 foot tall cross in the other just rang my door bell asking if he could share a scripture with me.
2007-11-03 16:12:41
282.   Bob Timmermann
And that Pac-10 country doesn't include Washington or Northern California.
2007-11-03 16:13:18
283.   Bob Timmermann
You shouldn't have been dissing God and Satan earlier.
2007-11-03 16:13:20
284.   D4P
It's supposed to be on ESPN here. Plus, I just discovered that I longer get ESPN Classic. I used to, back when I watched Cheap Seats. But it is apparently no longer in my channel lineup.

Ducks up 14-3. The EA Sports thingie on ESPN predicted the Ducks would go up 14-3, then fall behind 17-14, then win 28-17.

2007-11-03 16:14:07
285.   Marty
He may have actually been divine since the dogs didn't bark when the doorbell rang.
2007-11-03 16:15:43
286.   D4P
They just told me to stay tuned for the post-game report.

This is an outrage!

2007-11-03 16:16:46
287.   trainwreck
I am getting the game on ESPN and ESPN Classic.
2007-11-03 16:18:54
288.   Andrew Shimmin
How big a cross would it have to have been to get him in the door?
2007-11-03 16:22:46
289.   D4P
That's OK. I didn't want to watch any of the first quarter anyway, and the first half of the second quarter is never interesting anyway.
2007-11-03 16:23:17
290.   D4P
Sweet! A coach's challenge! Review that play! Take more time!
2007-11-03 16:25:54
291.   Bob Timmermann
So just how did Cal beat Oregon?
2007-11-03 16:27:37
292.   Marty
At least 8 feet and needing two hands to carry. I might have given him a left-over Kit-Kat bar for that.

A friend of mine has an uncle, the twin to her father, who used to go about Florida dragging an 8-foot cross behind him.

2007-11-03 16:29:07
293.   Bob Timmermann
Right around Easter, a bunch of people make me drag a cross up a hill and then they leave me there.

But I always get the last laugh.

2007-11-03 16:31:13
294.   Bob Timmermann
The Arizona State announcers are complaining about the frigid temperatures in Eugene.

It's 55 degrees.

2007-11-03 16:31:38
295.   D4P
Attention ESPN: the number of North Carolinians who are more interested in South Florida football because of geographic propinquity is fewer than the number who care about the game involving the numbers 4 and 5 ranked teams in the nation.
2007-11-03 16:32:33
296.   Bob Timmermann
The South Florida Alumni Association is very powerful.
2007-11-03 16:33:16
297.   D4P
They haven't even shown a single highlight or update from the Oregon game.
2007-11-03 16:33:43
298.   D4P
I bet ASU scores immediately after they finally cut to the game. That always happens.
2007-11-03 16:34:22
299.   Bob Timmermann
2007-11-03 16:34:54
300.   Bob Timmermann
ASU is in Oregon territory now.
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2007-11-03 16:36:15
301.   D4P
The camera folks are trying to appease me by showing SF females in the stands.
2007-11-03 16:37:13
302.   Andrew Shimmin
When does college basketball season start?
2007-11-03 16:38:31
303.   Bob Timmermann
The first games that count are Monday.

Richmond vs. Maine is the first game in Division I.

2007-11-03 16:40:06
304.   D4P
The SF telecast began at 3:30. It's now after 7:30.
2007-11-03 16:42:13
305.   Bob Timmermann
The ASU-OU game will likely run the same amount of time just shifted over to a different time zone.
2007-11-03 16:42:48
306.   bhsportsguy
Per Dohn:

Ben Howland said Darren Collison has a mild sprain of the left knee and is expected to be out for as little as five days to as much as two weeks. That was good news for UCLA.
But there was bad news. Michael Roll ruptured the plantar fascia in his left foot in Saturday's practice and will be out for approximately three to five weeks, Howland said. Roll recieved an injection in the left foot six weeks to two months ago and has struggled with plantar fascia for the last 18 months.

2007-11-03 16:44:01
307.   Bob Timmermann
I would re-check the byline on that post.
2007-11-03 16:46:09
308.   bhsportsguy
306 You are right and I met Jill too.
2007-11-03 16:50:56
309.   Bob Timmermann
Brian Dohn has not cloned himself.


2007-11-03 16:54:39
310.   Bluebleeder87
I wanna be cloned!!

but I guess my offspring will be the closes I'll get to it, mother nature you gotta love her.

2007-11-03 16:59:59
311.   Bluebleeder87
It's pretty funny watching a sport you do not understand, all I see is a guy throwing a weird ball to some other guy & then the apposing team hitting the guy who caught it very hard.
2007-11-03 17:02:07
312.   Bob Timmermann
Are you watching a Detroit Pistons basketball game?
2007-11-03 17:14:30
313.   D4P
As predicted, I missed all of Oregon's scores, and saw only ASU's.

That being said, the Ducks lucked out there at the end of the half.

2007-11-03 17:25:03
314.   Bob Timmermann
Which game is ABC showing in your neck of the woods?

FSU vs. BC?

2007-11-03 17:27:47
315.   D4P
Yes, my neck is getting FSU vs. BC.
2007-11-03 17:28:43
316.   Bob Timmermann
Is it raining in Boston. There's supposed to be a Nor'Easter.

West Coasters have OSU at USC.

2007-11-03 17:30:39
317.   D4P
It looks to be raining, though not deluging.
2007-11-03 17:34:50
318.   D4P
R. Burgess has returned two kickoffs for ASU, and his average return is 17.5. But his "long" is only 17.
2007-11-03 17:36:49
319.   Bob Timmermann
That's Rudy Burgess from Desert High at Edwards Air Force Base.

That's one of the most unusual venues I've ever been to for a high school game. Nothing like having MPs sign you in at the gate wielding very large rifles.

2007-11-03 17:38:43
320.   Bob Timmermann
Yahoo's box score says Burgess has 3 returns for 54 yards with a long of 19.
2007-11-03 17:39:22
321.   D4P
Oregon's not looking good.
2007-11-03 17:39:41
322.   D4P
CBS is probably wrong.
2007-11-03 17:42:51
323.   Sam DC
Darth Vader/Death Star Transformer

Purity, shmurity. I know a 7 year old who would stand in line for that item.

2007-11-03 17:43:51
324.   Bob Timmermann
The D4P Uncertainty Principle:

Oregon never looks good when D4P observes them.

2007-11-03 17:44:51
325.   Bob Timmermann
Alabama takes the lead on LSU on a punt return TD.
2007-11-03 17:49:00
326.   D4P
Ugh. I should probably turn the game off and let the Ducks play well again.
2007-11-03 17:49:52
327.   Bob Timmermann
USC up on OSU 3-0.
2007-11-03 17:54:17
328.   D4P
We scored! Yay.
2007-11-03 18:03:58
329.   Bluebleeder87
Josh Rawith (ItD) is saying the Torre press conference is expected to be the largest press conference in resent memory, I wonder if NY outlets & other cities will be there as well? It's pretty crazy, he's just a manager...
2007-11-03 18:05:20
330.   Bluebleeder87
man, can you imagine if we sign Alex Rodriguez, all hell is gonna break loose.
2007-11-03 18:06:06
331.   D4P
Catch the ball, #4.
2007-11-03 18:06:26
332.   Bob Timmermann
I'm sure all the New York media outlets will be at the press conference.

Even ESPN will deign to show up.

2007-11-03 18:07:26
333.   D4P
Holy cow. The guy in the wine cellar with Todd that they just showed owns a restaurant in Eugene that my wife and I used to eat at a lot. We had our first date there. It looks like they're gonna show it again after the commercial break.
2007-11-03 18:09:28
334.   Bob Timmermann
The LSU-Alabama is taking a decidedly non-Oregon turn.

LSU tied it up and now Alabama has turned it over in their own end.

2007-11-03 18:12:26
335.   D4P
We lived across the street from this restaurant, Beppe and Giannis.
2007-11-03 18:12:57
336.   Bob Timmermann
LSU 41, Alabama 34 with about a minute left.
2007-11-03 18:15:06
337.   D4P
Stupid Alabama.
2007-11-03 18:18:57
338.   D4P
Bad timeout.
2007-11-03 18:20:47
339.   D4P
Oregon uses a lot of fakes.
2007-11-03 18:29:24
340.   Bob Timmermann
But BC is losing to Florida State. But it's early.
2007-11-03 18:30:48
341.   D4P
No way UofO will pass OSU or LSU in the BCS. They're SOL.
2007-11-03 18:33:40
342.   Bob Timmermann
LSU could still lose the SEC championship game.

Oregon's big problem is hoping that Dixon isn't hurt.

2007-11-03 18:34:48
343.   D4P
Dixon looks a lot like former Duck basketball star Fred "Freddie" Jones.
2007-11-03 18:37:58
344.   D4P
Which bowl game gets the national championship this year?
2007-11-03 18:41:01
345.   Bob Timmermann
No bowl game is the BCS championship. They just make one city host two bowl games.

In this case, it's New Orleans. The Sugar Bowl will be on New Year's Day and the BCS Championship Game the week after, also in New Orleans.

USC is routing OSU and they've been booted out of the second picture-in-picture.

2007-11-03 18:44:34
346.   D4P
When did they start that?
2007-11-03 18:44:58
347.   Gr-ool
Oregon's looking good...
2007-11-03 18:47:03
348.   D4P
No reason to put Dixon back in.
2007-11-03 18:49:07
349.   KG16
323 - don't get me wrong, I'd have stood in line for that toy at the age of 7 as well.

346 - couple years ago, I believe... or maybe just last year

2007-11-03 18:49:19
350.   Bob Timmermann
Last year (or earlier this year). But most of us have erased the Ohio State-Florida game from our memories.
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2007-11-03 18:51:02
351.   D4P
Well, I like the setup. I never liked it when the Rose Bowl got the BCS championship game and the Pac-10 winner had to go to a lesser bowl.
2007-11-03 18:53:16
352.   Bob Timmermann
It's likely that if Oregon went to the BCS championship game, another Pac-10 school would take its spot in Pasadena. That would likely be USC if they finish 10-2.

If Ohio State goes to the BCS championship, I don't know if another Big 10 would qualify for the BCS. So the Rose Bowl could be something like USC vs. West Virginia.

2007-11-03 18:53:52
353.   D4P
Should have been an offensive pass interference call on that long pass play.
2007-11-03 18:54:13
354.   KG16
Nice touchdown catch by the Az State tight end there. Also bad defense by the linebacker, never bothering to turn his head
2007-11-03 18:54:42
355.   Bob Timmermann
Shouldn't ASU have gone for two? It's better to be down 11 than 12?
2007-11-03 18:54:53
356.   KG16
352 - you don't think Michigan will qualify for the BCS?
2007-11-03 18:55:21
357.   KG16
355 - doesn't matter, need two touchdowns either way.
2007-11-03 18:55:51
358.   Bob Timmermann
Michigan is #12 now, but if Ohio State wins out, Michigan would have to have another loss and that would probably drop them too low.
2007-11-03 18:57:05
359.   KG16
355 - ok, check that, 11 means touchdown, two point conversion, and field goal. So that might have been better, depends on how aggressive you want to be.
2007-11-03 18:57:10
360.   Bob Timmermann
At large teams have to be at least #14 in the BCS to get a spot.
2007-11-03 18:58:12
361.   KG16
358 - well there's always hope for USC-Hawai'i in the Rose Bowl...
2007-11-03 19:01:22
362.   D4P
Lotta sacks for the Ducks tonight.
2007-11-03 19:01:35
363.   Bob Timmermann
UH has to get to #12 to get a bid or be at least #16 and ranked ahead of a BCS conference champ.

The lowest ranked team leading a BCS conference now is UConn and they're ahead of UH.

2007-11-03 19:02:33
364.   KG16
Great play by the really big wide receiver, at least until the point where he dropped it.
2007-11-03 19:03:13
365.   Gr-ool
Some key turnovers to UO here in the 4th...
2007-11-03 19:04:42
366.   D4P
Woah, should have been a penalty there.
2007-11-03 19:05:51
367.   Bob Timmermann
This has been a pretty quick game by Pac-10 standards.
2007-11-03 19:06:00
368.   KG16
363 - well, if OSU wins out, that's another loss for Michigan, who is 12; Va Tech could lose to either Virgina or BC; and Georgia gets Auburn next week. So that's three teams I count ahead of Hawaii that could lose... plus UConn has to play West Virgina.

It's possible.

2007-11-03 19:06:45
369.   D4P
Weird little interview there with Phil Knight.
2007-11-03 19:08:43
370.   Bob Timmermann
Human voters like UH. The computers hate UH. The only game that could gain UH any computer points would be against Boise State.

I think USC would slaughter UH.

2007-11-03 19:09:47
371.   KG16
So, is it time for the NFL draft yet? As strange as it sounds, that's my favorite part of football
2007-11-03 19:10:47
372.   KG16
370 - USC probably does destroy Hawaii, I'm just looking to get a non-BCS team into a BCS game, I'm a football populist.
2007-11-03 19:11:02
373.   Bob Timmermann
So you're saying that in reality, you are Mel Kiper, Jr.

How do you get your hair to do that?

2007-11-03 19:14:20
374.   KG16
so, I'm looking at ESPN's rankings for college football, one that they have is the "Bottom 10", for some reason Virgina, at 7-2, is ranked as the fifth worst team in the country. They have more wins than the rest of the list combined. To quote Ricky Ricardo, "Someone has some esplainin' to do"
2007-11-03 19:14:29
375.   D4P
How do you get your hair to do that?

That's for ESPN Insiders only, like Mel's Big Board™.

2007-11-03 19:15:39
376.   KG16
373 - dang, I blew my cover... as far as the hair goes, let's just say there was no hole in the Ozone layer before I got it to do that.
2007-11-03 19:18:31
377.   Bob Timmermann
I actually think UH could hang with some other BCS champs, but USC's defense would likely find Colt Brennan a tasty snack.
2007-11-03 19:19:33
378.   D4P
This has been a pretty quick game by Pac-10 standards

Don't you mean Pac-9...?

2007-11-03 19:20:45
379.   KG16
378 - why the disrespect for Washington State?
2007-11-03 19:21:04
380.   Bob Timmermann
No, Pac-10.

You misunderstand my stance. I won't speak about one school in this blog (I will in other places) because it brings out unpleasantness.

I still root for the unnamed school.

2007-11-03 19:23:02
381.   D4P
Oh, I see. It's like talking about St. Louis.
2007-11-03 19:23:25
382.   KG16
So, how long until they do a Marvel cross over movie? I ask because I stumbled across Daredevil on FX. I'm guessing they probably have to do a Captain America flick first, no?
2007-11-03 19:24:17
383.   Bob Timmermann
Except that I'm considered spineless in regard to the unnamed school.
2007-11-03 19:25:10
384.   KG16
382 - and according to IMDB, there is already a Captain America film in the works, I should do some research before I post random question comments like that.
2007-11-03 19:25:14
385.   Bob Timmermann
Did you actually try to watch "Daredevil"? I didn't make it past the 10 minute mark.
2007-11-03 19:28:47
386.   Sam DC
I haven't imdb'd, but there was a Captain America movie already. With Red Skull.

It was bad.

A Civil War Captain America film could be pretty powerful; but it would cause also sorts of Rule 5 problems.

Not to mention "Sam's a total loser" problems.

2007-11-03 19:32:16
387.   KG16
385 - two words: Jennifer Garner.

A few more: I'm a recovering comic book kid, so as bad as these movies tend to be, I can't help but watch. And as far as these movies go, Daredevil is probably the worst of them.

2007-11-03 19:33:32
388.   Bluebleeder87
I was just over at, I really don't care if Kent comes back or not, yes I realize he's a great ball player but I've soured on him threw the years. I wouldn't mind if he came back DON'T GET ME WRONG but seriously would he be a huge whole I don't think so, if anything La Roche would benifit from Kent's departure by getting the gig or maybe Abreau would step up also.
2007-11-03 19:36:11
389.   Bluebleeder87

I fell in love with the old spider man mini series back in the late 80's (was it a mini series, I don't remember) I thought it was pretty cool.

2007-11-03 19:36:27
390.   KG16
388 - I didn't like his signing to begin with, didn't like his resigning, and now am rooting for him to go away.

Is it just me or are the best Sportcenter commercials the one's featuring David Ortiz? The one where he spits on his hands before shaking hands of the anchor's family is great. But the one where he tries to fix Posada's hat and the mascot getting mad is just classic.

2007-11-03 19:38:40
391.   KG16
Wow, the USC game must be pretty bad because they are talking about the Torre deal, and ABC doesn't even carry baseball, though I guess it's technically ESPN on ABC.
2007-11-03 19:49:56
392.   Bob Timmermann
Oregon State doesn't have its best offensive player in Bernard and the Beavers have generated little offense.

But the Beavers should be able to make a bowl as they have both Washington schools coming up before the Civil War.

2007-11-03 20:00:39
393.   Bluebleeder87
the spider man series was actually in the late 70's (I know they showed that exact same series in the late 80's again) when you think about it the graphics were pretty lame, (compared to now) it was still a good series though. [ ]
2007-11-03 20:00:40
394.   Dodgers49
Timing of Boras's Bluff May Prove Costly

>> Unless he received a pre-opt-out commitment from another team, that is, unless someone tampered with Rodriguez — and what a shock that would be — Boras was very likely calling the Yankees' bluff in their stated position that they would not seek to sign Rodriguez if he opted out.

If that is the case, in this poker game Boras could lose. <<

2007-11-03 20:03:43
395.   StolenMonkey86
at the risk of beating a dead horse, who wrote the subtitle for this one:

2007-11-03 20:07:39
396.   Bob Timmermann
Probably the same person who wrote the main head line.
2007-11-03 20:11:05
397.   Dodgers49
Could Rodriguez Stay a Yankee? Only for Less Money

>> As a policy, Boras does not negotiate with the player he is representing present. But the Yankees wanted to meet personally with Rodriguez, to tell them how much they valued him and to see if he meant what he said about wanting to stay with the team.

When reports of the Yankees' possible offer surfaced last Sunday, Boras took that as an indication that the team did, in fact, want to talk money with his client. He then exercised the opt-out clause without meeting with the Yankees. <<

## Privately, the Yankees believe Rodriguez would never take a pay cut unless he fired Boras, and there is no evidence he would do that. Further, said a different confidant of Rodriguez, the Yankees angered Rodriguez with their hard-line stance about his opt-out decision and helped push him into the free-agent market. ##

2007-11-03 20:13:14
398.   KG16
394 - to carry on the poker analogy, I don't think it was a bluff on the part of the Yankees, they made a value bet to see where they were and got raised, nothing wrong with making the decision to fold, especially when two or three other players (teams, in this case) are going to look up Boras' bet.

In baseball terms, it was a business decision by the Yankees. They are coming to recognize that they are getting old, that they have some problems and dumping $350 million on one guy doesn't make sense. They've got to figure out the back end of the bullpen, catcher, probably center field, first base, and the starting rotation.

2007-11-03 20:16:36
399.   bhsportsguy
There is one free agent that wants to sign with the Dodgers now that Joe is the manager.

2007-11-03 20:18:30
400.   Bluebleeder87
I'm gonna be looking at Betemit really closey this winter (curiosity, see how he does) he may well be there (Yanks) everyday starter.
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2007-11-03 20:19:18
401.   Dodgers49
Oh No!

Torre's signing makes Gonzalez want to return

>> Luis Gonzalez said he has changed his mind about no longer wanting to play for the Dodgers, the reason being their recent hiring of Joe Torre as manager. <<

2007-11-03 20:19:50
402.   KG16
Why is the LA market getting Green Bay at KC tomorrow instead of San Fransisco at Atlanta? I ask for two reasons, one, I'd prefer to watch the 49ers; and two, I'd prefer to not listen to Troy Aikman and Joe Buck.
2007-11-03 20:20:25
403.   Dodgers49
Beaten by bhsportsguy. :-)
2007-11-03 20:21:02
404.   Bob Timmermann
The L.A. market always gets the primary game unless the Chargers are involved somehow.
2007-11-03 20:21:13
405.   Bluebleeder87

I'm sure NedCo knows having 2 weak arms in the outfield wasn't very fun, I really feel Gonzalez won't wear Dodger blue in '08.

2007-11-03 20:21:46
406.   thinkblue0

my god. PLEASE say it ain't so.

2007-11-03 20:22:37
407.   Bob Timmermann
Has Luis Gonzalez considered the possibility that the Dodgers don't want to resign him?
2007-11-03 20:24:32
408.   Andrew Shimmin
399- Thanks for linking that. Biggest laugh I've had all day, I think.
2007-11-03 20:24:33
409.   Bluebleeder87
the new layout for the Daily News is pretty nice.
2007-11-03 20:25:15
410.   StolenMonkey86
407 - Clearly no, mainly because they didn't announce he wasn't coming back like the D-backs did.
2007-11-03 20:25:56
411.   StolenMonkey86
399 - What about Rudy Seanez?
2007-11-03 20:28:18
412.   Andrew Shimmin
There was an argument for signing LuGo last year and it didn't work out too badly, on paper (the only thing I care about) anyway. But bringing him back would be inexcusable. Terrible things, unspeakable things, would have to be done to this team to make bringing him back even remotely explicable.

Goodbye little bird. Fly away and be free.

2007-11-03 20:30:49
413.   Bob Timmermann
So Luis Gonzalez feels that Joe Torre (and his coaches!) will bring "credibilty" to the Dodgers, but Grady Little didn't.

What does Gonzalez expect Torre to do? Carve a 20 foot statue out of him from marble? Hit him with a magic wand and change his name to Bernie Williams?

2007-11-03 20:33:51
414.   KG16
The Dodgers motto next year should be: Trust no one over the age of 30. Except the coaches.
2007-11-03 20:34:41
415.   Bob Timmermann
Luis Gonzalez, you're on notice.

2007-11-03 20:34:45
416.   Andrew Shimmin
I know I'm supposed to be rooting against BC (I don't remember why) but I can't root for a team from Florida.
2007-11-03 20:38:58
417.   Bob Timmermann
A BC loss would make it easier for D4P's beloved Ducks to make the BCS Championship game.
2007-11-03 20:40:39
418.   Bob Timmermann
I believe the USC game took less than three hours to play. There's an upset.
2007-11-03 20:42:00
419.   Icaros
Wow, I didn't think I could've liked Luis Gonzalez less, but it turns out I can.

Much less.

2007-11-03 20:44:31
420.   Bluebleeder87
I have a very early game tomorrow so the change of time (to standard) is very welcoming.
2007-11-03 20:45:04
421.   KG16
415 - while I agree with the sentiment, I'm not too sure about who LuGo replaces.
2007-11-03 20:48:50
422.   Bob Timmermann
I've come to the conclusion that Red Sox fans are just about the same as everybody else's fans. They just get more publicity.

Deep down, all sports teams have a lot of jerks following them.

2007-11-03 20:50:52
423.   Bluebleeder87
It's a good day when my favorite boxer (Robert "The Ghost" Guerrero) gets a 1st round KO on showtime.
2007-11-03 20:52:47
424.   Andrew Shimmin
Two different refs missed major FSU penalties on that play. Shocking!
2007-11-03 20:53:29
425.   KG16
422 - it's not the jerk factor for me, it's things like books entitle "I can die happy now, the Red Sox have won the World Series" that annoy me.
2007-11-03 20:55:55
426.   Bluebleeder87
Bob T. will probably have to put a line over Luis Gonzalez because I doubt the Dodgers re-sign him, no?
2007-11-03 20:56:16
427.   Bob Timmermann
No school in Tallahassee Monday!

I'm not sure how they would determine if anyone at Florida State actually ever learns anything however.

2007-11-03 20:56:59
428.   Bob Timmermann
I'll be the judge of that.
2007-11-03 20:58:21
429.   Andrew Shimmin
Maybe LuGo's just doing this to convince the FO not to offer him arbitration. He won me over.
2007-11-03 20:59:14
430.   Bob Timmermann
But that was all Dan Shaugnessy's doing. He made a ton of money portraying Red Sox fans as cursed losers.

He has no shame and he is rather a despicable creature.

2007-11-03 21:02:38
431.   Gen3Blue
Watching a restored but "largely original" "Gone with the Wind" on TCM (DTV) I realize why the cartoons I grew up with often used two music themes. They were apparently used in the original intermission of "Gone".... "Beautiful Dreamer" and "I Dream of the Genie with the light blue eyes"
there was rarely a Bugs Bunnie cartoon without one of these.
2007-11-03 21:03:40
432.   Bluebleeder87

Judge, jury & executioner...

2007-11-03 21:06:37
433.   bhsportsguy
431 You and I have the same taste in movies, "Citizen Kane" is on at midnight.
2007-11-03 21:09:16
434.   Icaros

Oh man, you're right. That totally ruins it. I was counting on a pick for him, but it's too risky now, I guess.

2007-11-03 21:18:25
435.   Bob Timmermann
Spoiler alert!

"Rosebud" is really Greg Brock's real first name.

2007-11-03 21:19:16
436.   Marty
I'm watching The Magnificent Seven right now. Best. Score. Ever.
2007-11-03 21:20:12
437.   Gen3Blue
433 Hot Damn!, what channel? You also had a post I totally agreed with in the last few days, I'll try and find it.
2007-11-03 21:30:44
438.   Gen3Blue
Bhguy--I had thought it was an important Dodger opinion. It wasn't but its not trivial---"Puttin on the Ritz" in YF is one of the very best scenes of the 20th Century.
2007-11-03 21:35:07
439.   jasonungar07
Do you guys think Nomar takes it personal when every article says we have a hole at 3b? LaRoche understands he hasn't proven it yet, but Nomar must read some articles..Is there any chance that maybe he can rebound??? Or is he just done ?
2007-11-03 21:39:21
440.   KG16
438 - speaking of Mel Brooks, I caught the Producers in Vegas last weekend. Tony Danza was the lead. It was actually really good. Any thoughts on the movie version? I understand it had Nathan Lane and Ferris Buelher, that right?

439 - I kind of feel sorry for Nomar. It wasn't that long ago that he was considered one of the very best in the game (remember when the debate was A-Rod, Jeter, Nomar?), now though, I think he has to realize that injuries undid his potential. Can he rebound, I suppose, but I would not put it in the realm of "likely" - maybe he'd have a chance if he went to be a hit-for-average DH in the AL.

2007-11-03 21:40:17
441.   Bluebleeder87

I 2nd comeback, can that be possible?

2007-11-03 21:47:56
442.   Gen3Blue
440 Being a fan of the original Producers movie with Gene Wilder and Zero Mostel, I felt somehow above the new version with Nathan Lane. But I actually liked the new movie a lot, because it managed to be a different thing. The only way I can describe it is to say the first "Producers" was a movie about making a musical, while the second one was a Movie of a musical that had been made.
2007-11-03 21:50:27
443.   Bob Timmermann
The Gene Wilder/Zero Mostel "Producers" is a great movie.

The musical emphasizes all the uninteresting parts of the original film.

2007-11-03 21:52:01
444.   KG16
So then, I should check them both out, eh?
2007-11-03 21:53:28
445.   Jon Weisman
New post up top.
2007-11-03 21:53:48
446.   Gen3Blue
But in both, it is hard to think anything will eclipse "Springtime for Hitler". Max Baer was great--But the guy from SNL was not bad either.
2007-11-03 21:54:53
447.   Marty
IMO the musical is horrible. It could never capture the magic that is Dick Shawn.

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