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Happy Birthday, Vin and Ross
2007-11-29 13:33
by Jon Weisman

Yep - once again, the birthdays of Scully and Porter fall on the same day! All my best to both.

I was half Vinny's age on Friday, November 23: 79.98356164 compared to 39.99178082.

Comments (338)
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2007-11-29 13:41:17
1.   trainwreck
Happy Birthday, Vin!

Can't wait to hear you next season.

2007-11-29 13:44:19
2.   Ken Noe
" center field, Aaron Rowand, who replaces Juan Pierre, traded in the off season to Texas for an autographed photo of David Clyde...."

Seriously, happy birthday gentlemen. And seriously, Ned can have Rowand if he moves JP.

2007-11-29 13:54:53
3.   Howard Fox
79.98356164 compared to 39.99178082

you really need to get a life...

2007-11-29 13:55:50
4.   Bob Timmermann
you really need to get a life...

In this case, don't you mean a half-life?

2007-11-29 13:56:02
5.   Jon Weisman
3 - Halfway there!
2007-11-29 13:59:51
6.   D4P
What's that thing about how if you're in a room with X number of other people (where X is much less than 364), the probability of someone else sharing your birthday is greater than 0.5?
2007-11-29 14:03:17
7.   Suffering Bruin
Happy Bday, Vin and Ross!
2007-11-29 14:03:50
8.   Jon Weisman
In this job and my last, someone else in my department (of less than 20 people) has had my birthday.
2007-11-29 14:06:27
9.   Ken Arneson

In a group of 23 (or more) randomly chosen people, there is more than 50% probability that some pair of them will have the same birthday. For 57 or more people, the probability is more than 99%.

2007-11-29 14:06:41
10.   Reiichi
6 A class of 23 people will give a 50-50 chance of a birthday match or so.
2007-11-29 14:10:41
11.   D4P
That Birthday Paradox is so counterintuitive. I've never liked it.

In fact, I still don't.

2007-11-29 14:12:33
12.   StolenMonkey86
6- it's 23 people, not counting leap day.

for n people

Use the recursive form if you want to compute that (or calculate it by hand and cancel out 365!/364!=365), because your computer doesn't even want to know what 365! is.

2007-11-29 14:12:36
13.   Marty
3 people on my staff of 13 share the same birthday.
2007-11-29 14:12:48
14.   Cornell Blue Fan
I was in an undergrad class with 40 people and my Professor bet us there would be at least 2 pairs of birthdays...there were 4
2007-11-29 14:13:24
15.   underdog
I've never worked with anyone with a Jan. 1st bday (mine), but a number of years ago I literally knew 3 other people with the same bday. Which was shattering to me because I always felt so unique and special. On the other hand, it was good to have someone to commiserate with about the crummy timing of our bdays.

Anyway... happy bday Vin and Ross! Wish the latter would come back to replace Rick Monday.

2007-11-29 14:13:33
16.   Bubba
79.98356164 compared to 39.99178082. That's a stat Ross would love — and use on the air.
2007-11-29 14:14:52
17.   Xeifrank
6. You need 253 people for the odds of someone sharing the same birthday as YOU. You need 23 people for ANY two people in a room to share the same birthday.
vr, Xei
2007-11-29 14:16:47
18.   StolenMonkey86
was anyone here born on Feb 29?
2007-11-29 14:17:23
19.   bhsportsguy
Phil Jackson agrees to a 2 year extension (aka one year after Kobe can opt out). He gets a modest raise to $11-12 million a year from his $10 million a year salary.

I guess Phil doesn't want Joe Torre to be the most successful coach in L.A. just yet.

2007-11-29 14:19:08
20.   ToyCannon
It has worked most of the time in the 12 years that my wife has tried it in her classrooms where the size has varied from 27 to 35. I'd like to say 10 out of 12 but my memory is as fuzzy as a Georgia peach.
2007-11-29 14:20:23
21.   bhsportsguy
From the last thread, for Trainwreck to cite BRO here (Bruin Report Online) is similar to me citing DT there and will get even less reaction. (Though DodgerThoughts is much more widely known than BRO (also the site that he is getting that information from is the paid side of the website)

I think TW and I often post little notes about what we see on BRO here just to pass the time.

2007-11-29 14:20:56
22.   Sam DC
Don't tell Bob, but I am posting from a train rolling through a place called "Delaware."

Off to the cafe car for some peaches . . .

2007-11-29 14:24:50
23.   For The Turnstiles
Anything past the first three decimal places is meaningless unless you happen to know what time of day Scully was born. (Sorry, but this is kind of a pet peeve of mine.)
2007-11-29 14:27:17
24.   Ken Arneson
15 I would think that Jan 1 would be the rarest birthday (besides Feb 29), because if there's any way to get that baby born on Dec 31, you'll do it to get the extra year of tax writeoffs. I know multiple Dec 31 babies.

Which reminds me of this amusing story:

2007-11-29 14:27:32
25.   trainwreck
If one person signs up then my work is done.
2007-11-29 14:28:18
26.   wave of mutilation
vinny is 1 day and 60 years older then me.
2007-11-29 14:30:23
27.   bhsportsguy
22 Bob thinks you are commenting from an unincorporated part of the United States. Kind of like pockets of LA County.
2007-11-29 14:30:52
28.   bhsportsguy
25 Just wondering, what is your screen name on BRO.
2007-11-29 14:31:38
29.   bhsportsguy
28 You are not Shipwreckedcrew are you?
2007-11-29 14:31:46
30.   Marty
22 De training at Penn Station?
2007-11-29 14:31:53
31.   wireroom
can't wait to hear another year of Vin pointing out some random hot girl with a baby on her lap.
2007-11-29 14:32:02
32.   Reiichi
My first year in the dorms I was in a triple, and my next door neighbors who were also in a triple had an interesting set of birthdays amongst us. We had pairs of birthdays that were 1 day apart, 1 month apart, and 1 year apart.
2007-11-29 14:32:47
33.   wireroom
I can't wait for the Dodgers to come to their senses and rehire Ross to do play by play on road games for the tv.
2007-11-29 14:34:03
34.   LAbits
23 Outstanding! I wouldn't put it past him to know, however.
2007-11-29 14:34:25
35.   Sam DC
I assume I an commit crimes in this lawless place with no consequences?

The fella sitting across from me has left an awful nice North Face windbreaker on the seat for about ten minutes now while he is off somewhere . . .

2007-11-29 14:35:17
36.   Chuck Churn
I started listening to Vin Scully in 1958-59. He is the best!

On a less pleasant note, USC's coach and several of its players are renewing their call for a playoff system to try and rescue the season they themselves wrecked. Funny thing: when they made the BCS in previous years, they did not see the merit in having playoffs. But now, shoe on other foot.

If they hadn't lost to a club team forced to field its second-string quarterback and hadn't been pushed around by Oregon, they would be playing for the title. Now, they can only whine.

2007-11-29 14:35:20
37.   Jim Hitchcock
Happy Birthday, Vin & Ross!
2007-11-29 14:37:46
38.   bhsportsguy
Hey Nate and folks heading to AZ this spring, this is from the recently returned from vacation, Tony Jackson as his blog is active again.

Why the Dodgers are holding off announcing that they plan to spend the final two weeks of spring training in Phoenix is beyond me.

Add the Colorado Rockies, who are scheduled to host the Dodgers on March 23 at Hi Corbett Field in Tucson, to the growing list of Cactus League clubs that have finalized their spring schedules with the Dodgers listed as one of their opponents.

The Dodgers also have games scheduled with the Chicago White Sox on March 20 and Kansas City on March 26.

But when the Dodgers do finally announce this, just humor them and pretend to be surprised, OK?

2007-11-29 14:37:56
39.   Jon Weisman
23 - I just cut and paste from the spreadsheet I made in 60 seconds time. It wasn't meant to be analyzed quite so much ...
2007-11-29 14:39:22
40.   Marty
It's interesting to read the out and out hatred of USC by some. I'm not upset about it, just find it interesting. I'm starting to understand how Yankees fans feel.

But I still hate Notre Dame.

2007-11-29 14:41:03
41.   Jim Hitchcock
Hey, I wonder if Jon could arrange an Airbus A380 flyover of Dodger Stadium for us DT denizens...
2007-11-29 14:41:41
42.   trainwreck
2007-11-29 14:42:30
43.   underdog
24 Yeah, my mom tried, believe me! :-( The doctor came in already kind of tipsy. And then I wasn't even the first baby born in that area so I didn't win any prizes. Sigh.
2007-11-29 14:44:11
44.   Sam DC
Marty - yes, a long weekend in NYC for me and my 7 year old, anchored by a Bar Mitzvah sat pm.

Should be fun.

My mom is out from LA and she plans to take the kid to FAO Schwartz tomorrow to pick a Hanukkah present. That seems pretty hard core to me.

2007-11-29 14:49:49
45.   wave of mutilation
Jayson Stark wrote today that the Rangers have "kicked the tires" on some of those players was Juan D'Vaughn Pierre.
2007-11-29 14:50:52
46.   Penarol1916
40. I thought that only SEC fans hated USC?
2007-11-29 14:54:35
47.   das411
18 - There's only one that I even know of, and as far as I know he is the only player in the NHL who will be celebrating his 8th birthday this season:

41 - Jim, were you there for this?

2007-11-29 15:01:30
48.   Xeifrank
This is the 8, 12 and 16 team college football playoff system I am for.

In the 8 team playoff USC faces Missouri in the first round. In the 12 team playoff USC plays a play in game against Oklahoma with the winner taking on Missouri. In the 16 team playoff they also play Oklahoma in the first round but Missouri has to get by Central Michigan in the first round. In the 12 team playoff Hawaii plays VATech and in the 16 team playoff they face Kansas, they don't make the 8 team playoff. The playoff participants and seedings will change from week to week. I can't stand the Bowl system and it's dozen or so exhibition games.
vr, Xei

2007-11-29 15:01:30
49.   MJW101
#1 Jeff Kent to Tex for anything.

#2 Juan Pierre to CWS for Crede.

#3 Crede, Lowe, Abreu, Hendrickson, Proctor, Elbert, DeWitt, DeJesus and results from #1 to Baltimore for Tejada and Bedard.

Tejada plays 2B, Furcal plays CF, LaRoche plays 3B and Hu plays SS.


2007-11-29 15:01:36
50.   Chuck Churn
Is criticizing USC now considered "hateful" in So-Cal?

Get over it. A team that promotes its greatness, chokes, then demands the equivalent of a "do over" deserves to be criticized.

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2007-11-29 15:05:46
51.   Jim Hitchcock
47 No, das...I used to live about 1/2 mile from where that was shot. LAX bought us out, and we had to vacate the premises 1 1/2 years ago.

Thanks for the link; it was very cool.

2007-11-29 15:08:39
52.   Johnson
32 My first year in the dorms I was in a triple, and my next door neighbors who were also in a triple had an interesting set of birthdays amongst us. We had pairs of birthdays that were 1 day apart, 1 month apart, and 1 year apart.

Sounds like one of those logic problems: Six friends have pairs of birthdays that are one day apart, one month apart, and one year apart. Richard was born in February. Timmy always wears a red baseball cap. Martha cannot be seated next to Jim or Sandra. Who is the driver of the bus?

2007-11-29 15:09:41
53.   Marty
I knew I would be mis-interpreted. I'm all for criticism, I'm ok with hatred for the team. I just said it was interesting being on that side.
2007-11-29 15:11:43
54.   Marty
And if I have to say something like "I knew I would be mis-interpeted" then I obviously didn't wrote the original comment very well.
2007-11-29 15:12:00
55.   Marty
or "write" it. Sheesh
2007-11-29 15:12:23
56.   Andrew Shimmin
"We'll let them work that out between themselves. I don't want to get into the middle of it."

A woman with much to learn about how twins work.

2007-11-29 15:13:44
57.   FirstMohican
I've had someone in class or work share my birth date. Anyone here 10/24?
2007-11-29 15:14:48
58.   FirstMohican
I've never had...
2007-11-29 15:16:57
59.   blue22
57 - Ooh, I'm 10/22. Never had anyone share my birthday, either personal acquaintance or celebrity, until Ichiro hit the scene (who is 2 years older than me).
2007-11-29 15:27:06
60.   Jim Hitchcock
5/26, which makes me exactly 6 months (and a few years) older than our host.
2007-11-29 15:29:52
61.   fordprefect
Ever been to UCLA?
2007-11-29 15:30:56
62.   blue22
So Percival's deal with the Rays is 2 years, with $8M guaranteed and could go as high as $10M. And they didn't require him to take a physical. For the Rays, this seems like an odd move. The Yankees, the Giants, the Astros...all teams I could see going this way. But why would the Rays give Percival two years guaranteed?
2007-11-29 15:35:05
63.   KG16
my sister and I share a birthday, two years apart. She is pregnant, the kid is due three days after our shared birthday. Being that this will be my 30th, I am expecting the kid to be born three days early... it's the sort of thing my sister would do.
2007-11-29 15:35:37
64.   still bevens
62 If I told you 'proven veteran leadership' would you believe me?
2007-11-29 15:38:47
65.   Jon Weisman
My wife and my brother's wife have the same birthday, two years apart.

My first son's due date was the same as my niece's birthday, but he came five days early.

My second son's due date is the same as my nephew's birthday.

2007-11-29 15:42:41
66.   Sammy Maudlin
Happy Birthday Vin and Ross! They are the best Dodger announcers ever. Ross is now 1.56746 times older than I.
2007-11-29 15:48:12
67.   Jon Weisman
Oh my goodness:

2007-11-29 15:53:40
68.   Marty
67 I just went blind
2007-11-29 15:54:16
69.   KG16
67 - I made it about a minute into that video... there must have been some really good coke during the 80s.
2007-11-29 15:54:53
70.   blue22
67 - Why is virtually every player in that a Dodger? I think I saw: Orel, Welch, Ken Howell, Guerrero...and maybe more?
2007-11-29 15:55:15
71.   Marty
I think I saw Enos Cabell
2007-11-29 15:56:14
72.   LogikReader
KG, I didn't even make it that far. Once I saw the Limo sequence I had to save my brain.
2007-11-29 15:56:53
73.   blue22
71 - Definitely Duncan and Reuss in there. I thought that was Cabell too. Bill Madlock as well?
2007-11-29 15:57:20
74.   Jon Weisman
70 - Because they are. Except for Donna Mills and Michael Warren and Tom Bradley and such, they basically just used Dodgers. Though I think I saw Ozzie Smith in the audience.
2007-11-29 15:57:41
75.   Jacob L
I know its late, but I feel like I can't let the account of The Play from Jon's prior post go entirely unchallenged. The differences in the broadcasts don't really concern me, as I'm not a big Starkey fan. What bothers me is this supposed official waving The Play dead from the grassy knoll. That, and the alleged wide angle photo, showing said official, that appeared in a local paper once sometime between The Play and now.

First of all, until I actually see this picture, rather than hear about it, I'm going to assume it doesn't exist. Don't you think such a picture would be all over the place, given the notoriety and on-going debate on The Play, rather than appearing once in a newspaper, then going about its business? Not to belabor the metaphor, but this photo would be the Zapruder film. So then I'm supposed to believe in a vast conspiracy of Cal fans, the CIA, and anti-Castro Cubans suppressing evidence pertaining to the end of a college football game. I wish Cal football had that kind of power.

Second, as everyone knows, the officials huddled for a good long time after the conclusion of The Play. If one of them had, indeed, whistled (or waved) The Play dead, would he not have offered up that information to his colleagues? Has his silence been bought all these years?

Resume baseball/birthday discussion.

2007-11-29 15:57:56
76.   Joe Pierre
I know I'm a little more than 10 years younger than Vin & Tommy, but I never got Porters age.
2007-11-29 15:58:35
77.   Bob Timmermann
My girlfriend's birthday is January 1.

It's very easy to remember. She says it's a bad day to have a birthday. People celebrate her birthday on New Year's Eve and she really just wants to go to sleep, but she is forced to stay up until midnight.

2007-11-29 15:59:12
78.   blue22
76 - I believe Ross is 69 today.
2007-11-29 16:02:21
79.   Bob Timmermann
Actually the official was preemptively throwing a flag on Frank Wycheck.
2007-11-29 16:03:55
80.   Ken Arneson
The only way that video could have been worse is if Tommy Lasorda had been in it.
2007-11-29 16:05:20
81.   Sam DC
I've had several friends over the years with birthday.

I share it with Tom Waits,Johnny Bench, Harry Chapin, and Larry Bird.

Also, on my birthday this year, a certain Undiscovered Territory would, if it existed, celebrate the 220th anniversary of its ratifying the US Constitution - the first state to do so.

2007-11-29 16:06:36
82.   Jon Weisman
75 - Considering all the shenanigans that went on there, anything is possible.

I've actually moved on - despite what Bob would think - but there's objectively no way that the call should have stood. The notion that Cal committed no infraction on the return simply doesn't stand scrutiny. I'm not trying to fight it ... it just is that clear to me.

What's funny is that just last week, just before halftime, Notre Dame had an incredible 99-yard lateral return against Stanford that got nullified by something of a dubious penalty. The penalty occured before the laterals began - the return itself was clean. But no one seemed to notice.

2007-11-29 16:07:33
83.   Kevin Lewis
That was very interesting
2007-11-29 16:08:46
84.   Kevin Lewis
I believe my birthday is now know as "Patriots Day"
2007-11-29 16:08:50
85.   KG16
77 - I can see that being a bit of a bummer. Mine is the day after St Patrick's Day, or National Hangover Day as I like to call it, and I've had a tough time getting people to do stuff.
2007-11-29 16:09:05
86.   Kevin Lewis
2007-11-29 16:09:23
87.   das411
59 - Jimmie Foxx shares our bday too!
2007-11-29 16:10:27
88.   Kevin Lewis
sorry, I forgot that * put things in bold
2007-11-29 16:16:35
89.   MikeB
A team that promotes its greatness, chokes, then demands the equivalent of a "do over" deserves to be criticized.

Don't hate us for being great.

And, preferring an equitable playoff system is not a do over - as long as your team is good enough to qualify.

Good luck in the Final Four this year.

2007-11-29 16:18:45
90.   Bob Timmermann
So Jon is not like members of the 1972 USA Olympic basketball team and he has not written a portion of his will that prevents his heirs from ever acknowledging that Cal won the 1982 Big Game legitimately.

Although I do think Alexsandr Belov was on the field.

(Even though he died in 1978.)

2007-11-29 16:19:19
91.   Jacob L
82 I don't begrudge anyone their "Garner's knee was down" or "the last lateral went forward" arguments. The first is highly debatable. The second is pretty evident on replay, but its hard to imagine that call being made based on live action/real speed. Those arguments are, at this point, "part of the culture." That said, mystery photo, shmystery photo.

I actually saw the ND return. I don't really remember what the penalty was, but I didn't get the impression it was all that dubious. Refresh my memory. I found the whole thing fairly amusing, in context. I'm sure it was a big thrill for Stanford folks to have that play called back.

2007-11-29 16:20:23
92.   underdog
77 That basically describes most of my Jan. 1 bday "celebrations" as well. Usually either have a party Dec 31, or no party, or a brunch for my hungover friends on the 1st (that's actually worked pretty well - when I can organize it). Otherwise, I just mope around a bit. Sometimes my family organizes a dinner for me a week later - when it's more "convenient." {{mope}}
2007-11-29 16:24:12
93.   Bob Timmermann
I hear the exact same things.
2007-11-29 16:24:50
94.   Jim Hitchcock
John C. Reilly as you've never seen him:

2007-11-29 16:28:02
95.   underdog
Is that the "Green Team" video with Will Ferrell? It's totally hilarious (and I'm someone with the same green recycle t shirt!) but should warn people it's not quite safe for work...
2007-11-29 16:29:03
96.   wireroom
that was the best thing I have seen all day. i hope the dodgers of this era can make something equally as bizarre. why is this era so uninteresting?
2007-11-29 16:32:40
97.   Jon Weisman
91 - I was pretty relieved it was called back. It was a late hit behind the original line of scrimmage. It might have been a legit penalty, but I'd seen worse.
2007-11-29 16:32:47
98.   blue22
87 - Your birthday is 10/22 too? Nice. The first person I remember seeing with that birthday was ex-Astros speedster Gerald Young, and I've since discovered Jeff Goldblum. I guess mid-to-late January isn't a very sexy time.
2007-11-29 16:42:23
99.   Jim Hitchcock
95 It's the Pepperbees commercial. I'd like to think it's what Dirk Diggler's buddy turned to after his acting career.
2007-11-29 16:43:11
100.   Bob Timmermann
For those not scoring at home:

S 1-10 N41 1D-Pritchard, T. pass intercepted by 27-BRUTON at the ND3, 27-BRUTON return 3 yards to the ND6, 9-ZBIKOWSKI for 24 yards to the ND30, 9-ZBIKOWSKI for 14 yards to the ND44, PENALTY ND personal foul (98-LAWS) 15 yards to
the ND29, 1st and 10, ND ball on ND29.

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2007-11-29 16:43:55
101.   wronghanded
67 Thank you for ruining the image of my heroes as a kid, I do not think I would've ever played or been interested in baseball had I seen that as a child. Thank God I was spared until now! Go Orel, it's your birthday LOL!
2007-11-29 16:45:10
102.   underdog
As for that 80s Dodger video, I'm with Rob... "The horror.... the horror..."

Why on earth was that ever made? Why did they enjoy doing it? Why... why God why...?? Still, I laughed out loud. When I wasn't crying.

2007-11-29 16:50:35
103.   Bluebleeder87

you guys notice when Vinnie gets the day off the camera guys go crazy picking out hot girls in the stands? It mainly happens on East Coast games.

2007-11-29 16:58:44
104.   Bumsrap
62% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
2007-11-29 16:58:55
105.   Jon Weisman
Two clips from Walk Hard. SPOILERS

2007-11-29 16:59:10
106.   Bluebleeder87
Reading some of the earlier posts, I don't know anybody who shares my birthday. But "famous people" who share my birthday are Stan Javier, (yippie!!) Richard Nixon, (ugh) Joan Baez (I swear I'm not kidding!) & the coolest of them all Jimmy Page were born the same day & month I was.
2007-11-29 16:59:51
107.   Bumsrap
2007-11-29 17:00:38
108.   trainwreck
You guys should see John C. Reilly as Dr. Steve Brule from Tim and Eric's Awesome Show.

I am going to say Not Safe For Work just because they are weird.

2007-11-29 17:05:55
109.   DougS
A happy birthday to the august Vin and not-as-august-but-still-eminently-respectable Ross, and a belated happy birthday to Jon, too! When I hit the 40 mark several years ago, I thought back to some excellent advice that a friend gave me when I turned 30, to wit: Everyone gets older, and you can't do anything about that. But you can stay immature the rest of your life. ;-) A little late for Jon, perhaps, given that he's already a family man, but there is truth to the notion that the mind and soul don't have to age at the same rate as the body.

As for coincidental birthdays, I think I have an ace in my hand. I was born 3 days after my brother's 8th birthday.... which proves, I suppose, that my parents were creatures of habit more than anything else. And the very first friend that I made (or that I can remember making) on my first day of kindergarten was born on the same day as me. Almost 40 years on, we're still good friends.

2007-11-29 17:06:03
110.   trainwreck
The best thing about being born in the 80's is that I never have to live with the shame of living during the 80's.
2007-11-29 17:06:34
111.   Marty
I love John C. Reilly. I've seen him dribing around Altadena a couple times. I wonder if he lives there.
2007-11-29 17:09:47
112.   D4P
I can't stand John "C" Reilly. Or Phillip "Seymour" Hoffman.

The middle initial/name thing is annoyingly pretentious.

2007-11-29 17:11:51
113.   Bob Timmermann
Blame the Screen Actors Guild.
2007-11-29 17:11:57
114.   Marty
What about D "4" P?
2007-11-29 17:12:37
115.   underdog
110 Just remember some day someone will say that about the 90s and the aughts, too.

112 Okay, Mr. "4".

2007-11-29 17:15:17
116.   Jacob L
111 We definitely used to run into him around Silver Lake, but that was at least 4 or 5 years ago.

My shared birthdays of note (not baseball, we did that a couple of days ago) - George Harrison, John Foster Dulles, Kurt Rambis, Jason Bateman, Renoir, Jim Backus. That's a pretty sweet list. Feb. 25, by the way, so you all still have a bit of shopping time.

2007-11-29 17:15:32
117.   Daniel Zappala
82 Somebody noticed. It's been added to the Wikipedia page on "The Play".

I remember my first couple days at Stanford, part of the orientation was to be indoctrinated on The Play. They showed a film to us, paused it periodically, and pointed out the numerous ways in which the play "should" have been called dead or a penalty called. I was rather detached from the whole thing -- I had never seen the play before and it would have been hard to call me a fan of Stanford football two days into my college career. In fact, I truthfully had never heard of Stanford when I applied and didn't realize it was such a big deal to get in until I started getting a lot of attention about it in high school. I went on to develop a strong sense of school spirit, and a part of me would feel good if it turned out the Play was somehow nullified (e.g. an official from the game recanted the call on his deathbed, or new technology was able to enhance the footage somehow). But really, it's never been that big of a deal for me. I would probably feel differently had I been there.

I feel a much stronger affection for 1990, a game I attended, when Stanford scored 10 points in the final 12 seconds to steal the victory at Cal. It's especially memorable for me because I was the only one insisting to my friends that Stanford would pull out the game -- I had that magical feeling of believing you can influence the game just by wishing hard enough. As we walked out of the stadium at Berkeley that day, all of us agreed this was the payback for The Play, so since then I consider it a dead issue.

2007-11-29 17:15:54
118.   Bob Timmermann
Sit down kid and let me tell you about living in the 1970s.

The newest American Girl doll has a 1970s backstory.

2007-11-29 17:16:38
119.   D4P
Tell me more...

114 115
This isn't about me, it's about those guys...!

2007-11-29 17:17:21
120.   trainwreck
The aughts will be prime for being made fun of. Thankfully, I never followed any fashion fads. I still make fun of my friends who wore their clothes backwards like Kriss Kross.
2007-11-29 17:18:05
121.   Bob Timmermann
Well that's the real question, isn't it? Why? The how and the who is just scenery for the public. Kapp, Moen, Elway, the Pac-10. Keeps 'em guessing like some kind of parlor game, prevents 'em from asking the most important question, why? Why did the touchdown count? Who benefited? Who has the power to cover it up? Who?
2007-11-29 17:19:06
122.   Jacob L
117 No, sorry, the 1990 game never happened.

118 Do not get me started on American Girl. Don't.

2007-11-29 17:19:22
123.   D4P
Thankfully, I never followed any fashion fads

You mean like pleated/cuffed pants...?

2007-11-29 17:19:53
124.   Bob Timmermann
2007-11-29 17:20:41
125.   Daniel Zappala
121 I loved that movie, so you've finally used a movie quote that I get!
2007-11-29 17:20:51
126.   trainwreck
It sure is great living the high life and getting to watch the Packers vs the Cowboys.
2007-11-29 17:23:17
127.   D4P
I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at, but prior to this conversation, I had always assumed that someone (e.g. an agent, a movie person, etc.) told these guys to insert the middle initial/name for gimmicky reasons. So maybe that's what you're implying.
2007-11-29 17:24:02
128.   Bob Timmermann
I believe Stanford scored 9 points in the final 12 seconds in 1990. The Cal fans drew a penalty after running on the field after the Bears stopped a 2-point conversion.
2007-11-29 17:24:06
129.   Jon Weisman
117 - That game will remain the last time I storm a field/court/pool/rink for the rest of my life.
2007-11-29 17:26:12
130.   Bob Timmermann
Every actor in SAG or Actors Equity has to have a unique name.
2007-11-29 17:28:21
131.   Bob Timmermann
1990 was double-barreled disappointment for me.

2007-11-29 17:28:51
132.   D4P
Oh, I get it now.
2007-11-29 17:33:23
133.   Jacob L
129 For the record, I was not on the field, nor would I have been on the field had the game actually existed.

As an aside, how common is pool storming?

2007-11-29 17:34:18
134.   bigcpa
129 The first time my wife and I put an offer down on a house (in 2002) the seller's agent was Kevin Moen. I didn't realize it until later on that he was the guy who barrelled into the trombone player.

2007-11-29 17:36:16
135.   Jacob L
134 I got his business card when my parents sold their house.
2007-11-29 17:42:04
136.   Marty
I could never imagine Fred Dobbs cracking up. Now Fred C. Dobbs is another story.
2007-11-29 18:19:49
137.   Vishal
47 i got to go inside an A380 a couple months ago when it came to SFO. and yes, it's very large.
2007-11-29 18:21:37
138.   Blaine
I am chiming in late on the birthday paradox thing, but a friend of mine has four kids. The first two were born on the same day, two years apart. The second two were born on the same day, two years apart.
2007-11-29 18:25:11
139.   Bob Timmermann
The Sports Bar in the Biltmore was packed tonight as it is one of the few places in L.A. where the NFL Network can be seen.
2007-11-29 18:26:21
140.   D4P
I find the Birthday Paradox less paradoxical in the context of a single nuclear family because the birthdays are not nearly as independent (on average) as would be those of two randomly selected individuals.
2007-11-29 18:26:53
141.   Marty
The Grand Avenue Sports Bar? My dept. always has their going away parties there.
2007-11-29 18:30:15
142.   El Lay Dave
109 My two brothers' birthdays and mine span a total of nine days on the calendar in early December - we are six years from oldest to youngest. Either my parents have a thing for late February / early March, or the fact that my father is a CPA has some bearing on the situation.

Famous people with my birthday: Maria Callas, Britney Spears, Monica Seles, Tracy Austin, Lucy Liu, Michael McDonald, one of the Ringling Brothers.

2007-11-29 18:33:22
143.   ChicagoDodger
There are an awful lot of Pierre trade rumors out there today.

I never imagined it possible for the Dodgers to be able to get rid of him, but now it's starting to seem like a distinct possibility!

Anyone think it will get done?

2007-11-29 18:33:33
144.   El Lay Dave
Maybe the Angels outbid themselves? From the Times:

"I would have signed for less," said Hunter, , who had five-year offers, ranging from $70 million to $75 million, from the White Sox, Rangers and Royals....

What if the Angels offered less than those other teams?

"I still would have taken it!" Hunter said. "Arte [Moreno, Angels owner], he didn't want to negotiate. It was like, 'Wham, take it or leave it.' I was like, 'Whoa, that's nice.' They gave me 24 hours, and I gave them [my decision] in five hours. There was really no thinking, because that's the team I wanted to be with."

2007-11-29 18:41:05
145.   bigcpa
143 I only saw the Stark one. What are the others that don't have "toaster" in the url?
2007-11-29 18:43:06
146.   Blaine
140 Why would it be less independent in nuclear families? The only reason I could think of is when parents want to have kids with birthdays near each other and plan accordingly.
2007-11-29 18:46:09
147.   D4P
The only reason I could think of is when parents want to have kids with birthdays near each other and plan accordingly

There's that. Plus, some couples might be more likely to copulate (and to do so more frequently) during certain times of the year, whether because of schedules, randiness, etc.

2007-11-29 18:47:20
148.   Vishal
143 oh please oh please oh please [fingers crossed]
2007-11-29 18:49:04
149.   Lexinthedena
143- Do tell!
2007-11-29 18:49:35
150.   ChicagoDodger

is one.

There is another, a chicago tribune rumor essentially saying Pierre for Uribe.

I read a Blalock for Pierre & meLoan, but then realized it was just someone speculating.

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2007-11-29 18:52:52
151.   Lexinthedena
116- Feb 25th is the due date for my incoming baby....

John Foster Dulles....ouch...

2007-11-29 18:54:09
152.   Lexinthedena
150- I had actually been running Pierre for Uribe around my brain lately...Of course I had Uribe stepping in for laRoche after he had been traded for Santana:)
2007-11-29 18:59:41
153.   das411
98 - Only because i missed the last installment of Birthday Thoughts: Christopher Lloyd is part of our club too, as is my grandfather who hit the big 9-0 this year. Mister Vin still has some catching up to do to him!

137 - Very cool! You and how many others? Was this for one of those super packed full flights, or did you score a spot in one of those pimped-out luxury A380s?

2007-11-29 19:01:43
154.   old dodger fan
I share a birthday with some ballplayer (a Yankee) named George Ruth and an equally obscure politician named Reagan.
2007-11-29 19:02:15
155.   ChicagoDodger
That's the problem with including LaRoche in a deal for Santana. Dodgers then have a hole at 3rd. Nomar can't fix it. Uribe can't fix it. They could do the Rolen deal, but how much does he have left?

Would love the Pierre for Uribe deal though!

2007-11-29 19:08:47
156.   Eric Enders
I got Antonio Vivaldi, Shemp Howard, Knute Rockne, Dazzy Vance, James Ellroy, Hiram Bocachica, and Giovanni Carrara.

Also, every U.S. president who was worth a damn was inaugurated on my birthday.

2007-11-29 19:11:18
157.   Lexinthedena
155- If Ned signs Andruw Jones(which I am beginning to doubt will happen) then Uribe and Nomar will do just fine batting Uribe is nice with the glove...
2007-11-29 19:11:19
158.   bigcpa
155 Who is this Eli guy that runs that site?
2007-11-29 19:11:43
159.   old dodger fan
156 Honest Abe! Others?
2007-11-29 19:14:29
160.   old dodger fan
158 I have been meaning to ask this for awhile, are you a CPA or does the name have another meaning?
2007-11-29 19:15:58
161.   Eric Enders
159 Every president from Washington through FDR was inaugurated on my birthday except, remarkably, for a few of the lousier ones: Tyler, Taylor, Hayes, Fillmore, Arthur, and Andrew Johnson.
2007-11-29 19:17:11
162.   Vishal
153 hah, none of the above. i didn't fly anywhere in it; there are no actual A380 flights going in and out of here yet. as far as i know, only one of the planes has been delivered so far, to singapore airlines, and they're flying it between singapore and sydney (and maybe london, too). the plane that came into SFO was just for testing and demonstration purposes, and still in airbus livery. i got to tour it while it was on the ground. that particular aircraft was still filled with wiring and water tanks for testing at that point. i also got to stand on the apron and watch it taxi up right next to me. it was quite a sight.
2007-11-29 19:19:44
163.   ChicagoDodger
158 I have no idea! Just a site I came across searching Dodger rumors and the like.
2007-11-29 19:22:34
164.   bigcpa
160 I am an "inactive" CPA in that I renew my license annually, but I don't practice accounting. Been doing corporate finance for 10 yrs now.
2007-11-29 19:22:52
165.   Bob Timmermann
But just Washington's second term started on March 4.

March 4 also gains you W.H. Harrison, Franklin Pierce, James Buchanan, U.S. Grant, and Rutherford B. Hayes.

2007-11-29 19:25:10
166.   old dodger fan
164 Sounds like me but I have been out of Public for about 15 years. My mom thinks I wanted to become a CPA because I can spell it.
2007-11-29 19:25:55
167.   Lexinthedena
Anyone see what the Celtics are doing to the Knicks?.....So sad that Knicks sad...
2007-11-29 19:27:56
168.   Bob Timmermann
The school that is the present #1 in the BCS has gotten permission to drop "-Columbia" from its name in official correspondence and just call itself "The University of Missouri."

In solidarity with my brethren at Missouri-Kansas City, Missouri-St. Louis, and Missouri-Rolla I oppose this development.

Boomer Sooner!

2007-11-29 19:28:08
169.   old dodger fan
167 I just looked. 82-41 after 3. Awful.
2007-11-29 19:36:45
170.   KG16
169 - just under a minute to go, 102-54
2007-11-29 19:43:26
171.   Bob Timmermann
Few people in the NBA deserve more misery than Isiah Thomas.

And for once, I'm not alone in this feeling!

2007-11-29 19:46:36
172.   Vishal
168 between this and your newfound distaste for san diego, it sounds as if you're in some sort of contrarian phase or something. maybe you should start contributing to slate :)
2007-11-29 19:47:20
173.   Bob Timmermann
It's not contrarian when you're right!
2007-11-29 19:48:28
174.   68elcamino427
George Lucas shares my bithday.
Fight On!
2007-11-29 19:54:20
175.   Vishal
173 your brethren at um-rolla are changing their name as well, to "missouri university of science & technology", or "missouri s&t". does that bother you?
2007-11-29 19:54:41
176.   Jon Weisman
This site lists the occupant of Dodger Stadium as the Boston Red Sox. Wishes do come true for some people.

2007-11-29 19:56:56
177.   Bob Timmermann
If you look up "Los Angeles Dodgers" in the Reference USA Business Database (available at finer public libraries), two addresses are given: one is 1000 Elysian Park Avenue. The other is in Chicago on Waveland Avenue.
2007-11-29 20:28:10
178.   immouch
ok, i've been living lo these many months under the sad expectation that pierre will be with us for the duration. i still think that. but the rumors about him for uribe and/or any breathing major leaguer have me thinking about relative value. to whit: is it possible pierre is worse for the dodgers than he would be for another team? he has certain skills - he can run fast, he can steal bases, he's supposedly a hard worker and a nice enough guy and he can... well, he can run fast. and on the dodgers, his skills are far outweighed by his inability to hit the ball out of the park. or throw. or catch. what's my point? only that somebody, somewhere, might find a sliver of value in pierre. and, for us, his departure would be such a huge addition (forcing ned to consider d. young, for example) that it almost doesn't matter what kind of deal they do. or don't. which they won't. so nevermind.
2007-11-29 20:28:53
179.   immouch
i share a birthday with kurt cobain, ansel adams and cindy crawford.
2007-11-29 20:35:31
180.   68elcamino427
Any word from the Kuroda recruiting team today?
2007-11-29 20:37:02
181.   Vishal
the most interesting name that jumped out at me on my birthday was bjorn borg.

but, i've always got 1944 to think about on my birthday.

2007-11-29 20:40:26
182.   68elcamino427
The Nile was diverted on my birthday!
2007-11-29 20:45:42
183.   wave of mutilation
I share a birthday with Bo Jackson, Rich Harden, Pudge Rodriquez, Ray Durham, Elisha Cuthbert, Dick Clark, Bill Walsh and Winston Churchill.
2007-11-29 20:46:54
184.   63Dodger
My birthday is Nov 4, which is sometimes election day. 1980, the year I turned 17, was not a good birthday. If I'd only been one year older...

My best birthday buddy is Will Rogers.

2007-11-29 20:50:08
185.   The Anc
183 Me too! Happy B day to us tomorrow
2007-11-29 20:52:41
186.   Eric Stephen
I just watched the clip from 67 . It is both the greatest and worst piece of video I have ever seen.

Was that Bill Madlock? Where was Steve Sax?

2007-11-29 20:58:53
187.   Eric Stephen
Also from Sons of Steve Garvey:

Jon Weisman notes that Vin shares a birthday with Ross Porter. So, happy birthday, Ross! We miss you! Notice there is no DT poster named TellMeTheScoreRossPorter!

I thought that was funny.

2007-11-29 20:59:06
188.   Sam DC
184: You can add my son to your birthday buddy list.

And, not to suggest in any way that is not a cool and awesome topic, but didn't we have a long birthday buddy/birthday paradox conversation in the last year.

I recall pulling out Larry Bird and Tom Waits before.

2007-11-29 21:00:44
189.   bhsportsguy
188 Glad to see you made it out of Delaware.

BTW, does anyone else recall Delaware Punch?

2007-11-29 21:01:10
190.   Sam DC
Is it true that the Patriots 16th game is currently scheduled to be only on the NFL Network?
2007-11-29 21:05:14
191.   Bob Timmermann
I finally watched it. That's entertainment you can't find anymore.
2007-11-29 21:07:03
192.   Bob Timmermann
I drank Delaware Punch as a kid. Perhaps that's an explanation for my Delaware psychosis.
2007-11-29 21:07:58
193.   Eric Stephen
190 Correct. Against the Giants.
2007-11-29 21:09:13
194.   Vishal
186 i imagine saxy was doing a line and laughing his posterior off back stage.
2007-11-29 21:15:31
195.   Sam DC
2007-11-29 21:16:51
196.   63Dodger
188 Hey DC wish your son a late happy birthday for me. He lives on the wrong coast for celebrating, though--around here November 4 is usually about the best weather of the whole year.
2007-11-29 21:17:18
197.   Eric Stephen
Speaking of Steve Sax and crack, I always laugh watching Gibson's HR because Sax does everything in his power to avoid touching Gibson before he touches the plate, as if Sax is the pie maker and Gibson was Chuck.
2007-11-29 21:23:20
198.   Daniel Zappala
Bob's influence is spreading. I was listening to the news on the radio this evening and they had a report about how Utah has been ranked the most "depressed" state in the U.S. based on surveys of residents. They ended the report with: "Cheer up, Utah -- at least you don't live in Delaware!"
2007-11-29 21:25:07
199.   63Dodger
187 I'm one of those people who truly misses Ross Porter and all his minutiae. And, as has been noted, he never lost track of the game. I remember toward the end of his final season he was interviewing someone during the game--it seemed to me purely a promotional gimmick handed him by the Dodger brass--and he clearly wanted to get back to the game so badly but was soldiering on with this interview. Sports announcers for other teams seem to not mind those promotional duties at all, don't seem to mind turning completely away from the game for extended periods, and Porter just wanted to call the game--at least that's how my ears were hearing it. It was driving me nuts because I was so used to hearing every detail of the game as it progressed, along with all the other details he'd throw in that bugged so many others but I just enjoyed.
2007-11-29 21:27:30
200.   trojanmansaki
I dont know if this has been posted yet, but Jayson Stark over at ESPN is reporting that the Dodgers are out of the Johan Santana race, and have renewed talks for both Joe Blanton and Dan Haren.

I dont know what the general consensus is on Joe Blanton is but I'd rather have Haren, however I'm sure the price is going to be steep. Considering the fact its Billy Beane on the other end.

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2007-11-29 21:30:29
201.   underdog
30 Rock tonight was for Nate.

The episode was called "Cougars."

I haven't laughed that hard in a long while.

2007-11-29 21:30:39
202.   bhsportsguy
198 Funny.
2007-11-29 21:33:01
203.   Jon Weisman
Sax was in the video.
2007-11-29 21:33:04
204.   LogikReader
Bob Timmermann, you can add me to the "Isaiah Thomas gets what he deserves" list.


Did you see that amazing half court shot at the end of that Celtics game. That was the only highlight the Knicks had all night.


By the way, how's that Ariza trade working out for the Lakers? I don't think the Magic miss him yet (14-3).

2007-11-29 21:36:37
205.   Bluebleeder87

I thought Torri Hunter was from L.A. but I guess he's not, I just checked his Wikipedia page. Why does he like L.A. so much then...

2007-11-29 21:39:34
206.   Ken Arneson
200 Obviously, Haren is better, but Haren would most likely cost you Kershaw. Blanton can probably be had without him. If I were the Dodgers, I might rather have Blanton and Kershaw than Haren alone.
2007-11-29 21:39:37
207.   Eric Stephen
205 $90 million reasons why Torii likes LA! :)
2007-11-29 21:39:56
208.   Jason in Canada
Only Hiram Bocachica was born on my birthday. No Vin, no Ross, Maybe Hiram is announcing games in Puerto Rico though?
2007-11-29 21:41:13
209.   Lexinthedena
207- He likes Orange County!'s not L.A!....Don't let Arte fool you!
2007-11-29 21:44:56
210.   natepurcell

Id rather sign Kuroda and keep our players.

2007-11-29 21:47:41
211.   Lexinthedena
210- I really have no idea at this point if Kuroda is any good...have you seen more than me?

I'm also afraid of AZ getting a top pitcher if we scoop up Kuroda...

2007-11-29 21:48:39
212.   Daniel Zappala
Ramon Martinez (the good one) was born the same birthday, same year as me.

I agree with Nate on Kuroda, though Haren seems very good. The report I read indicates they will ask far too much:

In fact, count this as a placeholder for the future -- I agree with Nate, unless I specify otherwise. He and Canuck can share our GM duties as far as I'm concerned.

2007-11-29 22:02:14
213.   Bob Timmermann
My birthday is the same date as my DT number.
2007-11-29 22:12:58
214.   Linkmeister
184 Hey, me too! I'd always said it was the day before Guy Fawkes day, but then Rabin was assassinated in 1995 on Nov. 4, which more people (but not many) know about.
2007-11-29 22:18:12
215.   bhsportsguy
Its Taco night in LA.

Pat Cowan will try to repeat history on Saturday.

2007-11-29 22:25:50
216.   bhsportsguy
Against the backdrop of this standoff [USC v. Coliseum Commission], multiple sources said Thursday that Dodgers owner Frank McCourt is planning to push for an NFL stadium and franchise for Chavez Ravine. League officials had been in town earlier this month to tour another proposed site in the City of Industry.

A high-ranking Major League Baseball executive said that McCourt recently stated that he was open to bringing the NFL back to Los Angeles. Other well-placed sources in the local sports community said McCourt and unnamed partners have plans to pour hundreds of millions of dollars into upgrading Dodger Stadium and the surrounding parking lot, perhaps with restaurants and shops, before making an all-out pitch to swing a football stadium deal.

2007-11-29 22:27:47
217.   Bob Timmermann
Do you mean "Can Pat Cowan spur the UCLA offense to a total of 235 yards again?"
2007-11-29 22:29:52
218.   bhsportsguy
216 The article cited above starts with the threats made to members of the Coliseum Commission by irate fans (its too easy to say they are just USC fans).

A Coliseum Commission executive said his office received scores of "incredibly threatening" phone calls after USC posted a letter on its website urging fans to complain.

Some of the commission's nine members said they had been harassed too, and at least one has canceled plans to attend the regular-season finale against UCLA on Saturday.

"I've gotten many, many calls along the following lines: 'Hey, Mr. Chadwick, hope our paths don't cross. Understand you're married, you've got three little girls,' " Commissioner Bill Chadwick said.

"That's taking it to a low, low level," he said. "When you send something out to your entire alumni, don't expect every response to be rational."

2007-11-29 22:31:34
219.   Eric Stephen
215 Does Pat Cowan remember last year's game after the (admittedly should have been a penalty) Maualuga hit?
2007-11-29 22:33:29
220.   KG16
216 - And my dislike for Richard Riordan grows even more
2007-11-29 22:33:43
221.   Andrew Shimmin
How to flunk a field sobriety test, with your host, Tony Larussa.

2007-11-29 22:34:06
222.   Bob Timmermann
I don't know if Patrick Cowan remembers much of this season.

If Cowan lasts four quarters, I'll be pretty surprised. Confidence is low in Camp Timmermann.

2007-11-29 22:36:28
223.   trainwreck
In my college pick em league, I picked UCLA to score the lowest points this week of the games I had to choose from.
2007-11-29 22:37:51
224.   Eric Stephen
I seem to remember low morale emanating from Camp Timmermann last year too, and that turned out pretty good for you.
2007-11-29 22:38:20
225.   bhsportsguy
Barkley on the Knicks, "They are just collecting checks."
2007-11-29 22:40:30
226.   Bob Timmermann
Confidence is lower this year.

I think Pittsburgh has a better chance of beating West Virginia than UCLA has of beating USC.

2007-11-29 22:41:01
227.   bhsportsguy
223 I wonder what the atmosphere will be like at the UCLA breakfast tomorrow, all I know is Geoff Strand and his bell will not be there.
2007-11-29 22:43:49
228.   Eric Stephen
Wow. Actually, I was pretty confident last year because of the chance to go to the BCS Championship.

I would be more confident this year but 13-9 has lowered my expectations.

2007-11-29 22:46:27
229.   trainwreck
Won't E Scott be the speaker? He will get people interested. Hopefully new coach keeps him on.
2007-11-29 22:47:05
230.   bhsportsguy
228 Last year, the game was in the Rose Bowl, the team was pretty healthy in the sense that Cowan had played the second half of the season and USC just saw the game as a stepping stone to the BCS Title game.
2007-11-29 22:47:27
231.   Johnson
223 In my college pick em league, I picked UCLA to score the lowest points this week of the games I had to choose from.

I was wondering why in the world you would do that, but then I remembered that UCLA has a football team.

2007-11-29 22:48:16
232.   trainwreck
USC also has revenge factor going this year. They will want to bury UCLA.
2007-11-29 22:53:00
233.   trainwreck
And USC's defense is a lot better this year, while UCLA's offense did not.
2007-11-29 22:53:18
234.   trainwreck
*is not
2007-11-29 22:54:03
235.   Eric Stephen
With the Rose Bowl on the line for both teams, USC is 15-6-1 against UCLA.

UCLA won the last such game, 27-21 in 1993 (the Wayne Cook to J.J. Stokes, Rob Johnson to Marvin Goodwin game), which stopped a streak of 10 straight USC wins in games with the Rose Bowl on the line (1967-1988).

2007-11-29 22:58:40
236.   bhsportsguy
The thing is that USC is in a no win situation, if they win big, it will be expected, Dorrell will be gone and they will be the unhappiest Rose Bowl bound team in a number of years. If they win close, it will put a bigger damper on the season, and if they lose, well, Pete Carroll won't have to go far to watch the game tape.

And it might just be the last game at the Coliseum because the USC fans will tear it down.

2007-11-29 23:00:54
237.   Bill Crain
I don't know about UCLA, but I'm pretty confident about Kansas on Sunday morning.

And Memphis should be very concerned about Tuesday in the Garden.

2007-11-29 23:08:40
238.   Eric Stephen
I hear that, but I think USC would/should be ecstatic to go to the Rose Bowl (if they win, of course). After the Oregon loss, their season was effectively over, and the Sun Bowl looked like merely a hope on the far horizon.

USC has an infinitesimal chance of getting into the BCS title game, so that should be the furthest thing from their mind. The best thing they can accomplish now is simply going to the Rose Bowl, so any kind of win (blowout, close, epic comeback) would be great.

2007-11-29 23:10:03
239.   trainwreck
I loved how Petey came to Karl's defense.

Please, UCLA keep on this guy so I can rule the LA area for years to come.

2007-11-29 23:11:32
240.   trainwreck
*Please UCLA,...

I also think Petey fears Chow coming to UCLA.

2007-11-29 23:12:37
241.   68elcamino427
Who will be the next great UCLA coach?
2007-11-29 23:15:11
242.   Bob Timmermann
I'm thinking Red Sanders would be a good choice. Is UCLA scouting any single wing players for next year?

I think Dick Vermeil could whip up some emotion for the job.

2007-11-29 23:15:16
243.   trainwreck
Chow or Leach. And either of them will look great compared to KD.
2007-11-29 23:16:38
244.   Eric Stephen
Norm Chow would be an intriguing choice.
2007-11-29 23:16:59
245.   trainwreck
Though it seems a lot of internet Bruin fans hate Leach for reasons that do not make sense to me.
2007-11-29 23:17:28
246.   68elcamino427
KD might not look so bad with the benefit of a healthy QB.
2007-11-29 23:17:34
247.   bhsportsguy
243 I still think there are other issues outside of coaching in regards to UCLA football but than I also thought that the last thing the Dodgers needed was a new manager.
2007-11-29 23:19:22
248.   68elcamino427
242 I liked Tommy Prothro.
2007-11-29 23:20:42
249.   Bob Timmermann
UCLA fans on message boards hate everyone and everything it seems. They'd criticize Jesus for falling over three times on the way to Calvary.
2007-11-29 23:24:31
250.   trainwreck
Definite issues, but there were also issues with UCLA basketball and with the right hire those really are not much of an issue anymore. I think the right coach can change things quite a bit. Cal is a good example of that.
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2007-11-29 23:24:44
251.   68elcamino427
247 At the time that Carroll was hired all of the same things were said around USC.
Every one wanted to beleive that things could'nt be great again.
The consensus then was that he was a dubious hire at best.
2007-11-29 23:28:07
252.   68elcamino427
250 That is another very good example of the influence that good coaching brings.
2007-11-29 23:28:30
253.   bhsportsguy
If a new coach comes and makes this group of players a more consistent and winning team, then I will be the first one to say the coach was the difference but there are other things that have to change from UCLA's administration and their approach to football or else it won't make a big difference.
2007-11-29 23:30:33
254.   68elcamino427
253 Do you mean the coach's pay? What other changes would you like to see made?
2007-11-29 23:31:08
255.   Bob Timmermann
I've just given up about the whole thing. I think it's time to pack it in and call UCLA "Duke West."
2007-11-29 23:31:36
256.   trainwreck
Well who knows what group of players we will have. Most of our players are leaving and we have no idea what is going to happen with our class as guys are de-committing left and right.
2007-11-29 23:33:31
257.   nofatmike
Ironically, Juan Uribe has the same birthday as me.
2007-11-29 23:34:05
258.   68elcamino427
[255-256]In Carroll's first year several players quit the team. They said he wasn't very nice to them.
2007-11-29 23:35:28
259.   68elcamino427
257 That is ironic, because Juan does not appear to be nofat.
2007-11-29 23:40:18
260.   68elcamino427
255 I do not beleive that you are really ready to give it up.
Rather, just overly discouraged right now.
I would be too.
I wonder how Cowan feels about it.
I don't believe the quotes attributed to the UCLA lineman in the Times today.
2007-11-29 23:42:16
261.   bhsportsguy
There are two things that favor Jeff Tedford, one, Cal football was really bad when he took over, two, he does not have Pete Carroll in his backyard.

I believe that he has the same number of wins over USC as Karl Dorrell and Dorrell's Bruins are 3-2 against Cal during Dorrell tenure.

But the main difference is that Cal's fan base were so enamored with the change, they gave him time to grow and the school backed it up with salary increases as well as plans to build and refurbish facilities.

2007-11-29 23:43:50
262.   68elcamino427
261 What ever happened to the "tree people"?
2007-11-29 23:45:43
263.   Bob Timmermann
I'm ready to give up because it seems that the average UCLA fan (who are not necessarily UCLA fans who post here) is decidedly below average. They whine. They complain. They cannot be satisfied. They expect something that cannot happen: a football team that will got 12-0 every year for the next 20 years.

Some tell me that the years I was at UCLA, that the football team was terrible. Despite the fact that UCLA won the Pac-10 twice and the Rose Bowl each time. But it wasn't good enough. It's some weird freaky historical revisionism.

2007-11-29 23:49:19
264.   68elcamino427
263 As in USC has lost two games so far this year, so that means their season is "ruined"?
2007-11-29 23:51:13
265.   68elcamino427
263 Does it just seem that the negatives stand out more when things aren't going well?
2007-11-29 23:52:23
266.   bhsportsguy
263 Actually, I think it starts with the success of both Pete Carroll and Jeff Tedford, combine that with an ineffective offense for most of the last 5 years (outside some games in the 2005 season) makes for an unhappy group.
2007-11-29 23:53:38
267.   bhsportsguy
264 Sure in the sense that if they don't lose to Stanford, they could be in the BCS Title game picture.
2007-11-29 23:53:50
268.   KG16
263 - you've described every fan of every team in every sport in the United States. Everyone wants to win every year, funny how that works in sports...
2007-11-29 23:54:44
269.   68elcamino427
Take Grady as an example. The first half of last season he could do no wrong.
The second half of the season, hello Joe.
2007-11-29 23:56:28
270.   Bob Timmermann
Yes, that happens. But I'm more disturbed about how UCLA's teams of the mid 1980s are considered failures by some fans now.

Some UCLA fans want the team to lose Saturday and I find that unconscionable.

2007-11-29 23:57:58
271.   68elcamino427
266 Were Carroll/Tedford perceived as very successful on their hire dates?
2007-11-29 23:59:44
272.   Bob Timmermann
Except for fans of Caltech.
2007-11-29 23:59:46
273.   trainwreck
I have not had to deal with the USC inferiority complex that a lot of UCLA fans have. I guess because they have not been that great till Carroll came around.

I just want UCLA to be a top 25 worthy team and be in the Rose Bowl from time to time. I honestly do not see why we can't compete with USC. We just have to be smarter than them. The best way to compete with them is to take advantage of the fact that they now recruit on a national level so we can steal more talented players out of Southern California.

2007-11-30 00:01:17
274.   68elcamino427
270 That is a bad situation. Tollner, Smith, Hackett, same thing. Can't wait to get out the broom.
2007-11-30 00:01:37
275.   trainwreck
For the last 5 years I have wanted the Raiders to just be 8-8. I dream of an 8-8 season.

I will be happy next year if UCLA wins 5 games.

2007-11-30 00:04:19
276.   68elcamino427
273 It wasn't that long ago that UCLA was the preferred destination for recruits.
2007-11-30 00:06:15
277.   Bob Timmermann
I just want UCLA to be a top 25 worthy team and be in the Rose Bowl from time to time.

That was what UCLA was like when I attended. UCLA went 3-1 against USC (and were upset in their only loss) and beat Illinois and Iowa in two Rose Bowls. They also beat Miami in the Fiesta Bowl and BYU in the Freedom Bowl.

I was happy. But some fans would tell me that the teams underachieved.

2007-11-30 00:10:08
278.   68elcamino427
277 We need to find a way to force all such people to be allowed only to be fans of the Dolphins.
2007-11-30 00:18:39
279.   68elcamino427
Here's to a great contest this Saturday!
2007-11-30 00:24:55
280.   Eric Enders
Football, shmootball. Can we just start the UCLA-Texas game already, please? I haven't looked forward to a basketball game this much since... well, March, I guess.

Silly Pac-10 and its Sunday hoops schedule.

2007-11-30 00:25:43
281.   Eric Enders
It would be nice if Gary Johnson would get cleared to play before Sunday, but it ain't going to happen.
2007-11-30 00:45:13
282.   trainwreck
Do you expect DJ to go pro after this season?

We are going to need a big game out of Love and Luc this Sunday.

2007-11-30 01:15:12
283.   Eric Enders
I don't see any scenario in which Augustin comes back for his junior year. With Collison and Lawson slowed by injuries, he's probably the first team All-American point guard, and in any case is a sure lottery pick. I'm just thankful he came back this year.

If we were playing in the non-early entry era, Texas would have a flat-out unbeatable team this year.

PG DJ Augustin
SG Daniel Gibson
SF P.J. Tucker
PF Kevin Durant
C LaMarcus Aldridge

C.J. Miles
A.J. Abrams
Damion James
Justin Mason


2007-11-30 05:14:58
284.   D4P
The first sentence in ESPN's recap of the Oregon-Kansas State game:

Oregon had never, in its 105-year history, been in this position: on the road, facing a ranked opponent outside its conference.

That's hard to believe.

2007-11-30 06:14:59
285.   PHilldodger
277 Eric Ball became a name not be uttered in our Iowa City residence after the 1986 Rose Bowl. Ronnie Harmon fumbled 4 times for Iowa if I remember correctly.
2007-11-30 06:23:33
286.   PHilldodger
284 In December 2003, Oregon played Kansas at Kemper Arena in Kansas City. Kansas was ranked 13th at the time. It technically wasn't a road game, since Kemper Arena is about 35 miles from Lawrence, KS.
2007-11-30 06:31:25
287.   Bumsrap
Disregarding salary issues wouldn't it be interesting if both Bedard and Santana were in Dodger uniforms next year. Kemp, Lowe,Pierre mainly for the former and Broxton, Ethier, LaRoche for the latter.
2007-11-30 06:37:09
288.   Daniel Zappala
286 That's the game I was thinking of.

I think Bob's solution is simple -- stop talking to bad UCLA fans. UCLA was successful while he was there, and nothing anyone else says can change that. Keeps your memories, be happy, ignore the idiots.

2007-11-30 06:38:09
289.   Daniel Zappala
287 I guess you consider a lot of 1-0 losses interesting.
2007-11-30 06:44:31
290.   D4P
If I had Bedard and Santana, I wouldn't hesitate to trade them for Kemp, Lowe, Pierre, Broxton, Ethier, and LaRoche.

Then I'd designate Pierre for a little thing I like to call "Assignment".

2007-11-30 07:02:14
291.   Eric Stephen
That's a great team, for sure, but wouldn't a lot of other schools boast great squads as well?
2007-11-30 07:19:52
292.   Bumsrap
289 - I am not a 1- 0 game type of fan and I wouldn't want to tie up $36M a year on two players. I just think such a trade would be interesting. Also, two of the three players, Pierre and Lowe, I would rather see play for another team would be doing just that. Kent is the other player I want to see play for another team.

Furcal, Abreu, Young, Loney, Martin, Nomar/Dewitt, Repko, (player obtained from a trade of Kent/Loiza/MacDonald)

Santana, Bedard, Billingsley, Penny, Kershaw/MacDonald/Loiza/Kuo

Just posturing--not proposing

2007-11-30 07:21:26
293.   Benaiah
290 - Supposedly the Twins are talking about sending Santana to the Red Sox for Jed Lowrie, Jon Lester and Coco Crisp, plus another lesser player. I imagine any deal would be bigger than that, but the most interesting thing to me is that Coco is included. Juan Pierre is Coco Crisp (less power, more average and OBP), plus 4 million dollars a year. If Coco is a trading chip then maybe Pierre plus a couple of million dollars will be attractive to some teams as part of a deal.
2007-11-30 07:23:47
294.   D4P
It has certainly been the surprise of the off-season thus far that Pierre's name has surfaced in trade talks.

BTW: I walked by "Trace" yesterday on campus. He was clean-shaven.

2007-11-30 07:34:26
295.   Bob Timmermann
Thanks, Daniel. Sometimes I fear the idiots have taken over. They will soon come and take me away to a UCLA re-education camp.
2007-11-30 07:35:51
296.   Bob Timmermann
But wouldn't UCLA and Texas have wanted to play on a Sunday this weekend since UCLA definitely had a football game scheduled and Texas had a very good chance of having to play one.
2007-11-30 07:37:43
297.   Benaiah
294 - Did you talk to each other or just walk on by? He is wrapping up his time down there, next year he is heading off to grad school.
2007-11-30 07:39:14
298.   Benaiah
294 - By the way, I have always wondered if his name should be spelled "Tres" or "Trace". I think he prefers "Trace", even though the nickname comes from the fact that he is the third (his father is Jr.).
2007-11-30 07:41:27
299.   D4P
I didn't talk to him, as we was walking with someone else (a female) and I doubt he saw me. It took me a second to figure out who he was, given that I recognized his face.

Ah: I had assumed his name was "Tracy" and that he went by "Trace". I guess "Tres" might make more sense.

2007-11-30 07:46:51
300.   Penarol1916
284. Given the fact that Oregon beat a ranked Georgetown team on the road just last season, your skepticism would be warrented, unless Georgetown was somehow part of the Pac-10 for a brief moment that I was not aware of last year.
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2007-11-30 07:46:58
301.   Benaiah
299 - My man Trace was getting some play huh! You can't believe how difficult it was to convince him to drive from Chapel Hill to Durham to go out to dinner with someone I had met on the internet. Still, that turned out to be a very nice dinner and the last one I will ever have at the ole Grasshopper. She was a magnificent restaurant for those interested in employee maleficence, but unfortunately that never caught on as a concept.
2007-11-30 07:50:07
302.   D4P
I don't think Georgetown was ranked at the time the game was played.

I think it was our last dinner there too. I guess George actually sold the property, at least that half. I assume he still owns Vin Rouge.

2007-11-30 07:51:59
303.   Penarol1916
291. Off the top of my head, Florida, Ohio State, and North Carolina would probably be considered just as good with noone leaving, possibly UConn as well, and there may be others.
2007-11-30 07:52:43
304.   Penarol1916
302. They were ranked 23rd during the game and fell out of the rankings after the game.
2007-11-30 07:53:52
305.   Bob Timmermann
The Hoyas were #18 when they lost to Oregon in DC last year.
2007-11-30 07:54:35
306.   D4P
Well then: my skepticism was warranted. I have a hard time believing that any Division 1 school hasn't played a ranked non-conference opponent on the road.
2007-11-30 07:54:38
307.   Bob Timmermann
The Oregon media guide was my source for the #18 ranking. Early in the year, the bottom half of the top 25 is pretty fluid.
2007-11-30 07:55:05
308.   D4P
304 305
Now I'm skeptical about their ranking...
2007-11-30 07:55:17
309.   Penarol1916
I will also point out that according the wire report I read, Oregon had played 7 ranked opponents on the road in the Eastern time zone prior to that game, which was noted primarily because the Georgetown game was the first one that they had won.
2007-11-30 07:58:51
310.   Penarol1916
I'm going to assume that the difference in rankings is due to the whether the coaches poll or the AP poll was used. I'm sure that Oregon's media guide went with whichever was higher, I don't really know which one the wire report I read used.
2007-11-30 07:59:01
311.   Benaiah
302 - He was losing 2 grand a month on the business, so he might have just shut the doors. I heard that Charlie Deal (owner/chef at Jujubee in CH), the ridiculously untalented chef that opened Grasshopper and fired the head chef within a month (I believe out of jealousy), was thinking about turning the G-Hopper building into a gourmet Mexican takeout place. Cosmic Cantina is absolutely disgusting, so I think there could be a market for a palatable alternative.
2007-11-30 08:03:21
312.   D4P
G-Hopper is now (and has been since just a few weeks after G-Hopper closed) "Blu Seafood and Bar", which is owned and operated by someone other than George.
2007-11-30 08:06:04
313.   Bob Timmermann
The recap about the Oregon/K State game was from the wire services and they got their information straight from the Oregon press release that said that the Ducks had not played a ranked non-conference team on the road EVER.
2007-11-30 08:10:39
314.   Bob Timmermann
I'm also beginning to think that the press release Oregon sent out for the basketball game was done by someone fairly junior in that office. The bigshots are all working on Civil War stuff. The Oregonian didn't send a reporter to Manhattan to cover the game either.
2007-11-30 08:10:56
315.   Penarol1916
Stupid University of Oregon what kind of school can't even remember back to last year?
2007-11-30 08:12:46
316.   Benaiah
312 - Wow. It looks like someone came in with some money (George is always bordering on bankruptcy, he stole/lost 50 grand from a chef involved with GHopper) and fixed up the place (the patio is enclosed now for example). The menu looks pretty good too. I live in New England and I have to think that N.E. seafood would translate well to anywhere. There has to be a good alternative to the Red Lobster type of places. Have you eaten there?
2007-11-30 08:15:21
317.   D4P
Now here's a story that tells me that Luke Walton's 14 points last night was a career high. COME ON!

2007-11-30 08:15:58
318.   Bob Timmermann
Oregon will have its Pac-10 tournament title revoked for this transgression.

Either that or make one of its players spell his first name "Marty."

2007-11-30 08:17:05
319.   D4P
Have you eaten there?

We have. My wife, a seafood expert, is somewhat indifferent. But she's willing to give it time, as new restaurants usually take a while to get their act together.

2007-11-30 08:17:45
320.   D4P
At least they can't revoke our POY award...
2007-11-30 08:18:23
321.   Bob Timmermann
Season high was what the writer meant.

Walton's career high in the NBA is 25 points.

2007-11-30 08:25:47
322.   madmac
321 The Oregon press meant to say never this year
2007-11-30 08:28:04
323.   Penarol1916
318. I'm sure that the sports information department has already forgotten about it. I imagine that if they win the tournmane this year it will somehow appear in stories as Oregon's first tournament title of any sort.
2007-11-30 08:29:33
324.   D4P
I bet most Oregon students don't even remember the Tall Firs.
2007-11-30 08:31:53
325.   Penarol1916
This whole incident has inspired me to take up Bob's old Oregon boycott. I can never visit a state that is so negligent of the past.
2007-11-30 08:50:22
326.   Marty
Evidently, everyone on the road this morning was trying to figure out what was coming out of the sky. I see I have to go through about 3 SigAlerts if I take my normal route to work.
2007-11-30 08:55:12
327.   Gr-ool
199 I miss Porter too, and wish they'd bring him back. He was much more interesting to me than a couple of the current regulars. Porter ought to be second only to Vin Scully in the Dodger announcers hierarchy.

On an unrelated note, DirecTV rules! ;-) Imus fans set your DVRs for Monday morning at 3:00AM Pacific, RFD TV channel 379 on that provider, Monday morning, December 3.

2007-11-30 09:13:57
328.   Andrew Shimmin
Dear LastFM,

Please stop trying to make me like Eric Dolphy. I understand why you think I should--but I don't.


2007-11-30 09:32:32
329.   ToyCannon
Canuck recently guested here on DT and gave his lowdown on how the Dodgers have laid an egg in the South American market.
As BA prepares their Dodger top 10 list, prospect author Deric McKamey displayed his top 15. We may have only signed one guy this spring but at least we signed the right guy. Pedro Baez after only one year has moved up to the 9th spot on his list and has surpassed the much more ballyhooed Josh Bell.
Here is the scouting report.

Strengths: Strength. Bat speed/power/BA ability. Plus arm strength. Range. Soft hands

Weaknesses: Strike zone judgment. Speed

Comments: Maturely built youngster with bat speed and strong wrists that are capable of plus power. Lacks pitch recognition, so BA may fluctuate in lower minors. Below average runner and will have to watch body. Possesses plus arm strength and soft hands in providing above average defense.

2007-11-30 09:40:45
330.   CanuckDodger
329 -- What's his top 15 list?
2007-11-30 09:41:14
331.   CanuckDodger
329 -- What's his top 15 list?
2007-11-30 09:42:23
332.   ToyCannon
I've now seen Carmelo kicked out of a Clipper and Laker game at Staples. He doesn't take losing well.
2007-11-30 09:42:39
333.   natepurcell
According to several industry sources, the Mets' offer for Bedard, which was rejected, included 21-year-old outfield prospect Carlos Gomez, reliever Aaron Heilman, 29, and a third player, believed to be right-handed starter Philip Humber, 24. Gomez, ranked as the Mets' third-best prospect by Baseball America, is clearly the headliner.

That's an interesting package, but i would rejec it too.

2007-11-30 09:43:43
334.   natepurcell
same article... just rehashing...

The Orioles and Dodgers have also had discussions about Bedard. Center fielder Matt Kemp, reliever Jonathan Broxton and pitching prospect Clayton Kershaw are among the names discussed, sources say.

2007-11-30 09:43:44
335.   ToyCannon
2007-11-30 09:45:44
336.   Jon Weisman
2007-11-30 09:47:49
337.   popup
I too want to wish Vin and Ross a Happy Birthday and a thank you for all the enjoyable time I have spent listening to them. The late 80's, early 90's trio of Vin, Ross and Don Drysdale was one of the best radio play by play booths of all time. Vin and Jerry Doggett were a great pair too in the 70's.

Stan from Tacoma

2007-11-30 09:48:14
338.   natepurcell
In comparison, Humber would probably rate below McDonald for us.

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