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Thank You For Not ... (19th-Century Version)
2007-12-02 17:56
by Jon Weisman

Rule 1's forefather is not safe for Dodger Thoughts!

(via Baseball Think Factory, where they're debating its authenticity)

2007-12-02 18:15:25
1.   Disabled List
That is all kinds of awesome. That's what Al Swearingen might've sounded like if he'd played baseball.
2007-12-02 18:18:05
2.   KG16
wow, that just brings a tear to the eye.
2007-12-02 18:32:33
3.   Linkmeister
1 Or what the interior of the average football scramble sounds like when a fumble is recovered.
2007-12-02 18:34:24
4.   silverwidow
"We have the best young pitchers in the game, even better than Boston." - Hank Steinbrenner,0,399845.story

What Hank forgot to mention was that Kershaw ranks higher than any of his young pitchers and that Billingsley has achieved far more success than any of them, too.

2007-12-02 18:40:20
5.   StolenMonkey86
4- Yes, but Billingley plays for a west coast team, so he's still a prospect.
2007-12-02 18:44:02
6.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
According to Will Carroll (see, the Twins want three major-league ready prospects, and the reported Yankee/BoSox offers still fall short. For us, that sounds like only an offer of Kemp, Kershaw, and LaRoche (or perhaps Delwyn Young) would suffice (Kemp's a big leaguer, but I don't really see Kershaw as major-league ready, so the difference between the two would wash out). I can't see Ned agreeing to this, because it exposes too many holes in our roster. And tellingly, Caroll makes no mention of us as a player in the Santana talks.


2007-12-02 18:49:47
7.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Now that I think about it, because Olney's reporting seems to indicate that the Yanks and BoSox will hold the line at their current offers, so I wonder if the Twins will just start the season with Santana still on the roster. Or perhaps even try to sign him to an extension.


2007-12-02 18:59:16
8.   trainwreck
2007-12-02 18:59:59
9.   dzzrtRatt
Whoops. Got double-LATted:

93. dzzrtRatt
The Dodgers are acting like a "big market club." The difference is we don't have another "big-market club" in our division that we feel the need to one-up. Nor have we gotten within one game of the World Series against another "big market club." The Yankees and Red Sox have been in that dance for most of this decade. The Angels are horning their way in as well.

If all goes well, the Dodgers might reach the latter situation against the Mets or Cubs (or both) one day soon. At that point, we'll compete with the Yankees and Red Sox for talent like Kazmir. We can and will, but not until we need to. Not until we're demonstrably good enough for an elite, high-priced player to make the all-important leap.

I did have one brainstorm, however. Maybe if we can steal Santana away from the Yankees and Red Sox, they'll show their appreciation by sending us Hughes and Buchholz, just for keeping Santana away from them.
2007-12-02 18:57:38

94. dzzrtRatt
90 In the old Scots tune, the high road is not necessarily better than the low road. In fact, taking the low road gets me to Scotland afore ye.

Sadly, my and my true love will never meet again on the bonnie, bonnie banks of Loch Lomand. No matter which road ye and I take.

2007-12-02 19:43:19
10.   bluecurtain
I was sitting behind the Angel dugout in Anaheim one day many years ago and Jim Barr was being escorted off the field by the manager after another sterling effort. One particular fan was rather scathing in his opinion of Barr's performance, to which Barr replied in a very loud voice the exact contents of the quote in paragraph #1. Now I know where he learned it.
2007-12-02 19:44:43
11.   Eric Enders
What a day for the D.J. Augustin Marching and Chowder Society.

Oh, and there's no way that thing's real.

2007-12-02 20:22:10
12.   KG16
so, how good is Georgia's secondary? Can they handle Hawaii's receivers?
2007-12-02 20:22:19
13.   bhsportsguy
11 Give it up to the better team, it would have been a shame for Texas to lose considering they out shot and out boarded UCLA. Looking forward to a rematch.
2007-12-02 20:33:51
14.   Vishal
i for one would've liked to see hawaii in the rose bowl. i guess pac-10/big-10 is nice, but is illinois really deserving of a BCS bowl? hawaii in the rose and arizona state in the sugar would've been just fine.
2007-12-02 20:50:25
15.   Bob Timmermann
Georgia's secondary won't need to worry too much about Hawaii's receivers, because the defensive line will tear apart Colt Brennan's O-line.
2007-12-02 20:52:56
16.   Andrew Shimmin
I went to bed before it ended, but based on last night's game, I don't think I'd be too keen on watching Hawaii play USC. Washington is pretty bad, isn't it? Was it playing way over its head, or has Hawaii just beaten a bunch of not very good teams?
2007-12-02 20:59:37
17.   Bob Timmermann
It's the latter.

The 'Bows are going to need a whole lot of breaks to go there way to hang with Georgia.

2007-12-02 21:00:59
18.   Vishal
16 well, hawaii had a bad first quarter and fumbled the ball 3 times, leading to 3 washington touchdowns. after getting down 21-0, however, they outplayed washington to the tune of 35-7 for the rest of the game.

washington's only offense pretty much was what hawaii gave them for free. meanwhile, once hawaii's offense started clicking, they were pretty much able to score at will.

2007-12-02 21:02:25
19.   Vishal
hawaii has beaten a bunch of not very good teams, though, to be fair. bob is right about that. he's just prejudiced about the other stuff. :)

brennan can rid of the ball pretty quickly, bob. uga will definitely have to worry about the receivers.

2007-12-02 21:27:38
20.   natepurcell
Twins should just sign Santana.
2007-12-02 21:51:37
21.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 20

I agree, but all the press reports indicate otherwise. BPro made the case for signing him, with their new stadium coming up and everything.


2007-12-02 21:58:39
22.   Marty
The limericks are genius.
2007-12-02 22:02:35
23.   Dodgers49
Report: Santana will veto in-season deals

>> Santana will exercise his no-trade clause if the Twins try to move him during the season, according to a published report. <<

## That stance, coupled with the Yankees' announcement Sunday that it would break off talks if a deal can't be struck this week at the winter meetings in Nashville, Tenn., should accelerate negotiations. The Twins no longer can play a waiting game and take until the July 31 nonwaiver deadline to move Santana, since the free-agent-to-be will not move in-season. ##

2007-12-02 22:11:44
24.   natepurcell

If the Twins trade Santana for a less than stellar package, it might lower the value of the other "aces" on the market.

rumblings from Stark.

Angelos also looms as a potential impediment to dealing Bedard. There is massive interest from the Dodgers, Mariners, Mets, Yankees, Red Sox and Phillies, among others. And there have been rumblings that the Orioles think they could have a potential match with the Dodgers, even if L.A. balks at giving up the likes of outfielder Matt Kemp and hot pitching prospect Clayton Kershaw.

Okay...thats also assuming Loney, Billingsley and Martin are not on the table. Broxton...most likely not.

So that leaves something like a Laroche/Hu/McDonald deal.

If I could substitute Meloan + Josh Bell for Laroche, I could probably live with that deal.

Only reason I don't want to deal Laroche is because I really can't stomach the idea of Nomar getting 500 ABs next year for us.

2007-12-02 22:13:42
25.   silverwidow
Santana rules out all teams except Yankees or Red Sox

Fantasy over.

2007-12-02 22:14:51
26.   Dodgers49
Yanks set deadline for Santana

>> "I'm not going to be played against the Red Sox," Steinbrenner told the Associated Press. "That's not something I'll do. That's not something the Yankees should ever do, and that's I think what they're trying to do now. So if they want the best offer that has been offered to them, then they need to make up their minds." <<

2007-12-02 22:18:41
27.   Eric Enders
"I'm not going to be played against the Red Sox," Steinbrenner told the Associated Press. "Which is why I once again intend to lose before getting to the ALCS."
2007-12-02 22:18:46
28.   natepurcell

I never really had any Santana fantasies. I still have some slight aspirations for Bedard but the price would still be too steep.

2007-12-02 22:24:33
29.   silverwidow
28 Would you trade Billingsley + DeJesus for Haren? He's locked up through 2010, which is nice.
2007-12-02 22:29:11
30.   natepurcell
How much of an upgrade would Haren be over Billingsley?

2 wins?

2007-12-02 22:31:14
31.   Eric Enders
30 I would say zero wins.

Haren's a real good pitcher, but he just had the year of his life and may never have one that good again.

2007-12-02 22:35:06
32.   natepurcell

Thats another thing. You would most likely be buying Haren at the pinnacle of his value. Coming off a career year, still 26 and signed to an extremely affordable contract for the next 3-4 years.

I can see why Beane is listening to trade offers. He is expecting a bounty.

2007-12-02 22:35:15
33.   68elcamino427
Penny, Lowe, Billigsley.
Who will be our fourth starter?
2007-12-02 22:46:13
34.   sweepstakes
Pads are locking up Peavey.

2007-12-02 23:34:46
35.   natepurcell
Dodgers step up interest in Jones

2007-12-02 23:35:33
36.   natepurcell
he most potent proven bat in the Dodgers lineup. Management envisions a batting order with the potential for five 20-homer players -- Jones, Jeff Kent, Russell Martin, James Loney and Matt Kemp, even though the latter three have never hit 20 homers in a Major League season.
2007-12-02 23:36:35
37.   natepurcell
The Dodgers apparently are not interested in a contract guaranteed longer than two years, but that would allow Jones the opportunity to revisit free agency with greater leverage after a more productive season.
2007-12-02 23:38:08
38.   trojanmansaki
The Dodgers step it up for Andruw Jones

"The Dodgers apparently are not interested in a contract guaranteed longer than two years, but that would allow Jones the opportunity to revisit free agency with greater leverage after a more productive season. Jones' acquisition would create a surplus of outfielders and probably force the relocation of Juan Pierre's vulnerable throwing arm to left field."


2007-12-02 23:41:56
39.   overkill94
Is it just me or does management seem to be finally on the same page as the Dodger Thoughts consensus?

- talking up the youngsters
- balking at the Plaschke backlash and claiming they're not going to make a move just for the sake of making a move
- not giving in to the Marlins' obscene demands
- pursuing A. Jones instead of Rowand/Hunter
- seemingly being one of the biggest players in the Bedard trade talks

Honestly, I'm not sure we could have asked for a better offseason so far. Of course one slip in judgment can ruin all that, but so far so good.

2007-12-02 23:44:22
40.   hernari
Colletti doesn't want to compromise present by giving up multiple major leaguers

2007-12-02 23:45:22
41.   overkill94
38 I'm really hoping that if we do land Jones that Colletti plays his cards right by talking trade with teams like the White Sox and Orioles and making it seem like we still love Pierre but had to get a power bat and Jones was the best available. It can't be that hard to make their GM's feel good about a trade.
2007-12-02 23:46:32
42.   natepurcell

Lets hope they put their money where their mouthes are and not compromise.

2007-12-03 00:02:32
43.   Jon Weisman
39 - I'd say the big difference remains that if the Dodgers sign Jones or Rowand, Pierre will still start and it's Ethier who will be the odd man out.
2007-12-03 00:14:22
44.   Jon Weisman

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