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Dallas McPherson: Cautionary Tale?
2007-12-06 15:02
by Jon Weisman

Nothing like reading about a third baseman with a disk problem when you're trying to pump up Andy LaRoche as a Dodger starter. Not saying it relates directly - I have no idea how their injuries compare - but I couldn't help thinking about LaRoche when I read this from Mike DiGiovanna of the Times:

Though they didn't land Cabrera or Tejada, the Angels will enter camp with a power-hitting third baseman -- Dallas McPherson. Remember him?

Once touted as a 40-homer threat, McPherson was limited by injuries to 40 games in 2006 and missed all of 2007 after undergoing surgery to repair a herniated disk in his lower back.

But McPherson played 11 games in the Arizona instructional league this fall, hitting .240 in 25 at-bats with two home runs, and he feels better about his chances of playing in 2008 ... somewhere.

"I don't care if I'm in A ball -- I just want to get back on the field," McPherson, 27, said. "I'm so far down the list right now, and rightfully so. I've had so many injuries, I was out for a year. I don't expect to be the starting third baseman, for sure, but I would like another opportunity."

McPherson, who is doing yoga in hopes of improving his range of motion, said his instructional-league stint went a lot better than he expected.

"My biggest fear was running the bases, and I was able to do that," McPherson said. "I was able to play third, a little first. I was able to bend down, move to my left and right, get out of the batter's box. I felt like my power was fine. I hit some good shots, drove the ball to the gap a few times. It was definitely something to build on."

Comments (87)
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2007-12-06 15:08:43
1.   underdog
I was LAT'd darnit! Here goes again:

Re 125 , here's Kahrl in the BP chat today:

>>Otto (Halifax): Do the Dodgers now have the most expensive 4th Outfielder ever? or does Juan play?

Christina Kahrl: Them, or the Angels; the Los Angeles de los Angeles owe more to Little Sarge than the Dodgers do to Pierre, and it's now clear that the Angels plan on putting Torii Hunter in center and moving Matthews to a corner, which is similarly unwise. In both cases, neither guy should be starting in a major league corner, and either one of them would make a nice solution (funded by the people who made the mistake to sign them) for teams that don't have a ready-now center fielder.<<

2007-12-06 15:10:02
2.   underdog
>>Moneyball16 (Alberta): Andruw Jones Over or Under 250/330/480?

Christina Kahrl: I think Nate's leaked projection of .258/.345/.488 sounds about right as a mid-point, although I like the odds of his doing better than that.<<

2007-12-06 15:20:42
3.   Bluebleeder87
I'm just hoping La Roche gets a legit chance in '08, veremos.
2007-12-06 15:26:38
4.   dzzrtRatt
The main difference is the Angels had a terrific third baseman who was also a popular hero of the World Series and let him go. He was perceived as both injury prone (true) and too expensive to resign (true), but they put way too much faith in McPherson to be ready to just step in.

The Dodgers' decision is different. Do you part with other players of value to plug in a perceived "hole?" There no incumbent to think about.

2007-12-06 15:29:26
5.   Robert Daeley

XXXVII Baseball World Cup Taipei 2007

Andy Laroche: 33 AB, 3 2B, 3 HR, 5 BB, 5 K, 10 RBI

2007-12-06 15:29:29
6.   regfairfield
4 That's the huge difference. McPherson was just not that good to begin with (see 169 strikeouts in AAA), LaRoche clearly is.
2007-12-06 15:30:47
7.   Jon Weisman
6 - Yeah, I'm not worried about LaRoche's ability, though.
2007-12-06 15:31:01
8.   Jon Weisman
Just his mobility.
2007-12-06 15:31:15
9.   Eric Enders
For what it's worth, McPherson was never quite the hitting prospect that LaRoche is. LaRoche was a year younger at every step of the minor league ladder, and still put up stronger numbers than McPherson (when you take park factors into account).

Of course, that has nothing to do with whether LaRoche is as injury-prone as McPherson.

2007-12-06 15:31:36
10.   Sam NYC
FWIW, I don't read Colletti's comments as meaning that Pierre won't be traded (and forgive me, but I didn't read the comments, so if this was already covered ...), just that he was in a bind after Drew opted out and the only OF left was Ethier (who had tanked in 2nd half of 2006), so that's actually true.

The other thing is that Pierre does have value. A lot of times I get the sense that the regular commentators think that Pierre shouldn't even be in the league. His numbers aren't terrible, we can just do better. And he's not worthless, he's just not worth 9mil a year. Maybe 5mil in today's market.

That said, Pierre (picking up half his salary) to the O's makes a lot of sense for both teams?

2007-12-06 15:31:47
11.   Eric Enders
or, what #6 said.
2007-12-06 15:34:18
12.   Eric Enders
10 "His numbers aren't terrible"

Well, they are, actually. And that's not to say he shouldn't be in the league. He'd be an acceptable platoon starter for a second-division team, or an acceptable backup for a good team. That's about it. But yes, he should be in the league.

2007-12-06 15:37:10
13.   Eric Enders
5 I like how that site abbreviates the various percentage stats as "Bave," "Slave," and "Fave." I vote we make those the standard abbreviations.
2007-12-06 15:37:39
14.   Ricardo
A nice review of Jones´s signing and Ned´s comments:
2007-12-06 15:37:58
15.   Jacob L
I've barely been able to skim all the posts and comments from this momentous day, both all the ball front and the blog front. Interesting times, but since I've actually had to tend to my job today, this all came at a bad time. I was actually scrolling through DT comments on my (work issued) treo in the middle of a press conference involving my most important project.

Speaking of which, I gathered from comments earlier in the day that we could form a DT urban planning caucus, including me, D4P, Vishal, and deburns (I think). Perhaps their are others. I'll volunteer the group to discuss the Jones signing in the form of a mitigated negative declaration.

2007-12-06 15:39:29
16.   Bob Timmermann
And the ever popular ERave!
2007-12-06 15:40:41
17.   Eric Enders
With seven new posts in the last 24 hours, I believe Jon is aiming for a new Toaster record. (Which I assume is held by Bob.)
2007-12-06 15:40:46
18.   Bob Timmermann
So how many individual parcels are there in the City of Los Angeles?
2007-12-06 15:41:53
19.   Bob Timmermann
I think I stayed up one night tracking whether or not a bunch of free agents would be tendered contracts or arbitration.

I posted a lot that day.

I was really tired.

2007-12-06 15:41:54
20.   natepurcell

Sam in SC
Sam DC

any other ones?

2007-12-06 15:42:23
21.   Mattpat11
Some man just called Mike and the Mad Dog LIVID that Francessa and Russo didn't think the Dodgers would play the Juan Pierre in left field and try to trade for "Whatdoyoucallit" He is a big fan of this "Whatdoyoutcallit" as he screamed his name about six times. As near as I can tell, "Whatdoyoucallit" is a top of the line pitcher. The Yankees should look into him.
2007-12-06 15:42:59
22.   Eric Enders
I'm waiting for "Sam Whose Locale is Irrelevant to His Identity."
2007-12-06 15:44:36
23.   Marty
My Lab's name is Sam. I should create a new handle Sam LA
2007-12-06 15:45:22
24.   stubbs
This is totally fabricated, but would this deal make sense for either side?

Pierre, Laroche and Prospect for Rolen?

Swap bad contracts, allows Ethier and Kemp to play every day and dramatically improves the defense while getting rid of the Pierre albatross.

2007-12-06 15:45:54
25.   Eric Enders
21 Even better, they could trade Juan Pierre for a Whatchamacallit™
2007-12-06 15:46:14
26.   Jon Weisman
17 - God, has it been tha tmany?
2007-12-06 15:47:12
27.   Eric Enders
24 That would be an awful, awful deal for the Dodgers considering that LaRoche is likely a better player than Rolen right now.
2007-12-06 15:48:09
28.   Ricardo
24. I´ve just read at MLBTR that Bowa and Rolen can´t work together.
2007-12-06 15:48:44
29.   D4P
Yep. I reject the notion that deleting Pierre from the roster is so important that it justifies deleting LaRoche as well.

Benching Pierre is perfectly acceptable, if he can't be traded without also losing a good player.

2007-12-06 15:48:52
30.   Andrew Shimmin
If city planners were our friends, they'd declare Pierre blighted, and eminently domain him. He could be the world's first mobile Walmart. LAT might not like the competition, but not everything is about LAT.
2007-12-06 15:49:53
31.   regfairfield
24 Pierre for Rolen is a perfectly reasonable trade I think. Rolen has absolutely no value now.
2007-12-06 15:49:56
32.   blue22
Jayson Stark "hears" that LA has already said no to Brandon Inge.
2007-12-06 15:50:11
33.   Samuel

Does Samuel count in your list?

2007-12-06 15:52:33
34.   D4P
Pierre for Rolen is a perfectly reasonable trade I think

If Ned trades Pierre for Rolen, he'd probably throw in LaRoche as well to make room at third base.

2007-12-06 15:53:00
35.   Ricardo
29. Maybe that´s PR from Colletti. Bill Mueller had the highest salary for a hitting coach and Pierre could have the highest salary for a pinch runner.He´s making history with McCourt´s money!
2007-12-06 15:53:05
36.   Jon Weisman
31 - Because of the money? Rolen's still a better offensive player than Pierre, at a more important position, no?
2007-12-06 15:54:44
37.   stubbs
31-I agree that Rolen has little value but he could "bounce back". Pierre cannot bounce anywhere good. We would have to throw in something else. Can Laroche play LF if it was Pierre and Ethier?
2007-12-06 15:57:13
38.   D4P
Can Laroche play LF if it was Pierre and Ethier?

I call for a moratorium on moving good young players out of position to accommodate bad old players.

2007-12-06 15:57:15
39.   preacherroe
#24 Huh?

Bad contract, scmad contract. Laroche alone right now is more valuable than Rolen. Laroche with a bad disc ,pleuresy, the plague and shingles could out-homer Rolen.

2007-12-06 15:57:58
40.   Eric Enders
36 I thought 3B was an easier place to get offense these days than CF.

Pierre and Rolen being of equal value is, I think, one of those statements that's slightly hyperbolic, but also not all that far off from being true.

2007-12-06 15:58:12
41.   regfairfield
36 No, he's not. He VORPed 4 last year, Pierre was at 16.1 in a bit less than twice as many at bats. The only advantage he has over Pierre is defense, but Rolen's complete lack of offense probably cancels it out.

Pierre and something of slight value, like Orenduff, might balance the deal out.

2007-12-06 16:01:08
42.   Andrew Shimmin
41- I can't decide if I'm glad you used Orenduff instead of my man Hammes, or furious that you don't think Hammes is worth even Rolen. I'll get back to you.
2007-12-06 16:01:24
43.   Ricardo
We have our own Rolen in Garciaparra, why would Colletti make this deal?
2007-12-06 16:02:28
44.   preacherroe
Ethier is better than Rolen.
2007-12-06 16:04:05
45.   stubbs
39-Granted Laroche is probably going to be a better hitter the next few years but that is no guarantee.

What is a guaranteed and the two keys to the trade, are removing Pierre from the ledger and improving the defense. Rolen/Ethier is a massive upgrade on d over Pierre/Laroche. We would have 7 positions with very good gloves to go along with Kent and 7 guys who can hit 20 homeruns to go along with Furcal.

2007-12-06 16:07:31
46.   regfairfield
45 Unless LaRoche gets gunned down in Reno, he'll be better than Scott Rolen. The guy is a pure glove man now. Do you want to spend 36 million on someone who has the same description as John McDonald while our offense is still in desperate need of help.
2007-12-06 16:07:40
47.   Jacob L
30 That's a much better idea than declaring left field a historic preservation overlay zone.
2007-12-06 16:08:39
48.   Eric Enders
If we're going to go all Johnny Cash on somebody, there are better candidates than LaRoche!
2007-12-06 16:09:51
49.   Eric Enders
"declaring left field a historic preservation overlay zone."

Well, we did have a statue there last year.

2007-12-06 16:12:06
50.   stubbs
46-I agree. I just find it hard to believe that there will be a 9 million dollar pinch runner on our bench next year and getting rid of him will be impossible without taking back an equally bad contract or giving up prospects. Rolen is sort of a hybrid of that.
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2007-12-06 16:12:29
51.   joekings
I was LATed on the last thread.

I was reading a yahoo article on the jones signing
which had this very interesting statement.

'A Dodgers source said that if the season began today, Pierre would compete with Andre Ethier for playing time in left field. Matt Kemp and Ethier would be penciled into right field.'

Competiveness is good right?

2007-12-06 16:14:14
52.   regfairfield
50 If it makes you feel any better, he probably won't be on the bench.
2007-12-06 16:14:23
53.   LogikReader

You talk about a competition that's over before it started...!

2007-12-06 16:16:01
54.   Joe Pierre
What's all this baloney? Is this blog a day late? haven't you heard ANDRUW pending a physical, IS A DODGER. Let's hope they aguire a FA pitcher so Kemp can stay around with Ethier and battle him for right field.
2007-12-06 16:18:04
55.   fanerman
54 You're about 6 blog posts late.
2007-12-06 16:21:41
56.   MikeB
2007 3B Rankings by VORP (value over replacement player)

The top 10 plus LAD 3B, former LAD 3B, and some potential LAD 3B. Nomar was listed as a 1B so I put him at the end of the list. This does not factor in Defense.

1 Alex Rodriguez NYA 96.6
2 David Wright NYN 81.1
3 Chipper Jones ATL 76.0
4 Miguel Cabrera FLO 71.4
5 Ryan Braun MIL 57.2
6 Mike Lowell BOS 46.5
7 Aramis Ramirez CHN 43.9
8 Chone Figgins ANA 36.2
9 Garrett Atkins COL 34.8
10 Adrian Beltre SEA 28.6

25 Wilson Betemit LAN 7.9
29 Eric Chavez OAK 4.7
30 Scott Rolen SLN 4.1
35 Tony Abreu LAN 1.3
36 Travis Metcalf TEX 0.8
39 Joel Guzman TBA -0.6
42 Andy LaRoche LAN -0.8
49 Brandon Inge DET -3.3
63 Joe Crede CHA -10.8

43 Nomar Garciaparra LAN 0.8

IMHO: Rolen, Chavez and Inge are not significant upgrades over a LaRoche / Nomar tandem.

2007-12-06 16:21:57
57.   jasonungar07
Joe Pierre your speed is declining....
2007-12-06 16:29:41
58.   stubbs
56-Do you have 2006? Just curious how low Rolen, Inge and Chavez were the previous year.
2007-12-06 16:37:09
59.   Andrew Shimmin
Place Name VORP for 2006

8 Rolen 36.6
20 Chavez 12.9
22-T Inge 9.4

2007-12-06 16:37:50
60.   MikeB
58. 2006 3B Rank by VORP
1 Miguel Cabrera FLO 78.7
2 Garrett Atkins COL 62.7
3 David Wright NYN 54.3
4 Chipper Jones ATL 53.8
5 Alex Rodriguez NYA 51.6
6 Aramis Ramirez CHN 44.5
7 Freddy Sanchez PIT 43.3
8 Scott Rolen SLN 36.6
9 Troy Glaus TOR 29.3
10 Mark Teahen KCA 27.9

14 Joe Crede CHA 20.2
20 Eric Chavez OAK 12.9
23 Brandon Inge DET 9.4
34 Bill Mueller LAN 1.4
35 Wilson Betemit LAN 0.5
41 Joel Guzman LAN -1.2

2007-12-06 16:40:44
61.   Andrew Shimmin
2005 Rolen tied for 41st place, with a VORP of -0.6.
2007-12-06 16:46:13
62.   Ken Arneson
20 There are currently 17 accounts whose screen names start 'Sam'.
2007-12-06 16:48:31
63.   Jon Weisman
Steve Henson's Andruw story:

Okay, I'm done for the day. I put the open letter back on the top of the site - seemed appropriate, at least in the moment. Chat on ...

2007-12-06 16:49:33
64.   Andrew Shimmin
Will there be a Thunderdome style competition for the title of The One True Sam?
2007-12-06 16:51:23
65.   blue22
Found this on Deadspin just now. Freakin' bloggers:

He starts with this:

suppose the cards were to offer rolen plus $18 mill to the giants, who have expressed interest in scott and possess a surplus of young arms (from which they reportedly are willing to deal). mozeliak asks for matt cain in return.

And then continues with this:

approach the dodgers and offer rolen + $18m for andy la roche or chad billingsley; approach the angels and offer the same for jered weaver, or for ervin santana plus a prospect.

2007-12-06 16:55:02
66.   Marty
Whenever I've tried to put my spray chart on anything people have complained.
2007-12-06 16:56:23
67.   LAbits
Dunno if anyone else posted this late Tuesday evening from the ESPN 'live' reports from the Winter meetings:

"Scott Boras spent the day meeting with clubs about Andruw Jones, Kyle Lohse and his other free agents... [Boras said:]"But those one- and two-year deals people are talking about are not what we're looking for."

And we learn from the Steve Henson article on Yahoo that Colletti got a change to openness to the 2 year deal from Boras on Monday.

Of course, Jones was signed to a two year on Wednesday... maybe Boras was just driving up the price ;-)

2007-12-06 17:20:16
68.   FirstMohican
25 - Even better, they could trade Juan Pierre for a Whatchamacallit™

We'd have to throw in about a TON of 100 Grands, but I'd be Satisfied.

2007-12-06 17:22:02
69.   berkowit28
68 "Colletti got a change to openness to the 2 year deal from Boras". What does that mean?
2007-12-06 17:22:43
70.   berkowit28
69 Reference to 67 , not 68.
2007-12-06 17:29:56
71.   scareduck
4 - funny, players who win league MVP awards usually aren't considered overrated. I agree his whiff rate was pretty bad, but not so much you'd think he had no chance. His real problem is and continues to be health, far more than his swing.
2007-12-06 17:32:19
72.   jasonungar07
From SI

Jones' agent, Scott Boras, reached his agreement with Los Angeles late Wednesday night. The Dodgers had 379 putouts in center field this year, the fewest in the NL, and their 129 homers ranked 15th among the 16 NL teams. Not exactly what new manager Joe Torre is looking for in his first season with the Dodgers.

"The owner, Frank McCourt, had a lot to do with Andruw's decision,'' Boras said. "Frank McCourt did a great job of illustrating to Andruw that if he repeated his performance and played to the levels he played to in the past, they had the wherewithal to keep him.''

2007-12-06 17:32:23
73.   MJW101
I think we all should step back, take a breath and look at JP with a lack of bias. JP is not very useful to the Dodgers because, as a #2 hitter, his low OPS and perceived lack of defense is a liability. To a team in need of a leadoff hitter this would not necessarily be true.

If we did not have Furcal JP would be slotted into the leadoff role and his lack of power would be relatively unimportant, although his defense would still be problematic. A team without a leadoff hitter might look upon JP as a useful commodity.

If he was truly interested Ned should not have that much difficulty trading JP to a team like the WhiteSox or Rangers provided he kept his return expectations to a minimum. With the escalation of CF salaries JP might seem reasonable at $9M for a leadoff hitter.

Why Ned ever thought we required TWO leadoff hitters is beyond me.

2007-12-06 17:35:05
74.   regfairfield
71 Can you show me someone who whiffed that often in the minor leagues then became a useful major leaguer without walking 140 times as well?
2007-12-06 17:47:14
75.   dzzrtRatt
71 If it came off like I was knocking Glaus or even referring to his K's, I didn't intend that.

I completely agree with your assessment of him. Great hitter, great fielder, especially a few years ago. Crucial to the Angels' success and badly missed after he left. The team's assessment that he was too expensive was predicated on their over-valuing of McPherson, I think. They saw K-Rod and Lackey become immediate stars and figured McPherson and Kotchman would do the same thing.

I guess the circle would be completed if Ned traded for Glaus, blocking LaRoche, and then Glaus got hurt and LaRoche stepped in and became a star.

2007-12-06 17:48:49
76.   dzzrtRatt
75 Oh wait. You were referring to McPherson.

Too many pronouns confuse me.

2007-12-06 18:04:09
77.   trainwreck
Jrue Holiday about to play on ESPN2.
2007-12-06 18:45:50
78.   Sam DC
I was actually scrolling through DT comments on my (work issued) treo in the middle of a press conference involving my most important project.

I recommend this for humor/publicity/icon purposes up next to Fanerman.

2007-12-06 19:08:29
79.   D Money
um...please someone explain why we need a 3 bagger? i am PRETTY sure Nomar and LaRoche can put together an above average season at 3rd until LaRoche can take over full time next year...That is IF LaRoche isnt ready THIS year. Send Pierre out with a bow and give him away for whatever we can get.
2007-12-06 19:15:25
80.   D Money

i never get complaints


2007-12-06 19:20:44
81.   D Money
actually league MVP's are usually not the best players if you get into the deeper stats (not HR, RBI's AND BA).....So one could argue that if they win the MVP and don't deserve it they are very overrated.
2007-12-06 19:21:54
82.   D Money
let me rephrase from USUALLY to SOMETIMES.

hehe taking Jon's advice and putting it into practice....

thanks Jon.

2007-12-06 19:46:56
83.   underdog
Yay. My soccer team's opponent tonight had to forfeit, and the league director called me early so we get a win and don't have to play in the rain! (I actually don't mind that and would've played but am fighting a cold, so this is clearly for the best.) Now I can stay home obsessing about the Dodger outfield and other important issues of the day. Maybe there's a good match on FSC that I can watch.
2007-12-06 20:20:47
84.   jasonungar07
Where do u play? What city..Your in an adult league?
2007-12-06 21:37:44
85.   Dodgers49
Bill Plaschke:

Do Dodgers have an ace up their sleeve?

>> The Jones signing was smart and efficient and will help folks -- including owner Frank McCourt -- forgive the terribly large contract and burden that Colletti placed last winter on Juan Pierre.

One mistake down, one to go.

Now it's time to repent for the giant error that was Jason Schmidt. <<

## Colletti is not done. He can't be done. Colletti must now use his kids to find his ace, and there are a couple out there. ##

%% No, no, the Dodgers will not and should not trade the short-armed center fielder. Just because he was overpaid doesn't mean he lacked value. Did everybody somehow miss that he was second in the league in stolen bases and led the league in sacrifice bunts? %%

2007-12-06 23:38:39
86.   LAbits
69 70 Awkward? Anyway, Boras changed his mind from NOT interested in those two year deals being offered to his clients, to making a two year deal. Maybe 72 was the reason.
2008-02-09 16:00:22
87.   samuelLsamson
"Will there be a Thunderdome style competition for the title of The One True Sam?"

Nahh, most of these amateurs only have the one 'sam' in their names.

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