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Do You Spell It 'Catchup' or 'Katchup'
2007-12-10 20:12
by Jon Weisman

Catching up on things I didn't get around to posting ... as reported elsewhere, ex-Dodgers Eric Gagne, Milton Bradley, Paul Lo Duca and Randy Wolf have all agreed to terms with new teams over the past few days. Just in case you missed it.

Some other links:

True Blue L.A. has been a good read of late, with pieces on potential lineup problems for the Dodgers and even more so for the Padres, and another piece on lineup construction.

Baseball Analysts discusses the Andruw Jones and Torii Hunter signings before heading into a discussion of total bases per swing, a stat designed to shine a light on bat control and strike-zone judgment. James Loney appears in a top 10 that also includes Albert Pujols, Alex Rodriguez, Chipper Jones, Barry Bonds, Hanley Ramirez, Jorge Posada and ... Jeff Keppinger?

Comments (220)
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2007-12-10 20:21:46
1.   MyTummyHurts
I need to catch up with True Blue L.A. he writes some really good stuff.
2007-12-10 20:26:43
2.   Vishal
2 they.
2007-12-10 20:26:59
3.   Vishal
er, that referenced 1
2007-12-10 20:30:05
4.   Eric Stephen
From last thread:

399 - Derek Lowe is a classic "2".

Derek Lowe has pitched over 1200 innings the last 6 years, and has been above average in all but one of them, including all 3 seasons in LA.

His ERA+ over the last 6 seasons in 117, 29th among those with 600+ IP
His ERA+ over the last 4 seasons in 110, 37th among those with 400+ IP

He's pretty much the definition of "above average".

2007-12-10 20:32:42
5.   Bluebleeder87
Derrik Lowe is another one of Home Depos better signings (Brad Penny also) 2 of the top 3 pitchers were Depos signees pretty impressive. Although Brad Penny is by default no?
2007-12-10 20:33:48
6.   Vishal
4 so, below average would be what, consistently below a 95 ERA+, average-to-above-average would be a pitcher who typically gave you a 95-110 ERA+, above average would usually be in the 110-125 range, and super above average could be counted on for 125+ most of the time? is that about right?
2007-12-10 20:34:26
7.   Eric Stephen
5 Although Brad Penny is by default no?

DePo both traded for & signed Penny to an extension.

2007-12-10 20:34:58
8.   Marty
Repeating from the last thread:

OK gang, we all love this site and all the work Jon has done to keep it the best area on the tubes to talk Dodger baseball and just about any other subject. And it's that time of the year where some of us get into the giving spirit.

One way to show your appreciation is to click on the little PayPal button on the side bar and make a donation to the site. I will match anyone's contribution up to $200 total for the next two weeks (12/22). I want no one to feel any pressure to contribute. We all have different priorities and situations, so if you don't want to, that is perfectly fine.

But for those who do contribute, send me an email at telling me how much you donated. At the end of the two weeks, I'll match whatever total we have up to the aforementioned $200.

Update: I've gotten $75 worth of donations so far. Thank you to the ones who gave!

2007-12-10 20:35:59
9.   Eric Stephen
Those seems like reasonable parameters.
2007-12-10 20:55:34
10.   berkowit28
8 Update: I've gotten $75 worth of donations so far.

That can't still be true. Care to update again?

2007-12-10 20:56:53
11.   the2pin
Perhaps we need a 3.5, a 2.5, etc, or we need to agree on the parameters. Otherwise, it's relational. And, as I said earlier, only on Dodger Toaster (God love it!) is D-Lowe equal to Carlos Zambrano.

Put simply: let's just be sure to agree on the ranges for each category. I'm fine with those posted by 6

2007-12-10 21:01:29
12.   Eric Stephen
The Randy Wolf / Padres deal is official.

$4.75m base salary
$175k for each start 11-30 (potential $3.5m total)
$250k for 190 IP
$500k for 200 IP

Potential for $9m total.

2007-12-10 21:03:09
13.   Eric Stephen
11 I posted this in the last thread as well...

I'd bump Zambrano to 4 but keep Hamels at 3 until he does it again this season. I agree that Hamels is better than Lowe, but there are varying degrees of "3".

Ted Williams and Paul Molitor are both HOFers, but it doesn't mean they're equal.

2007-12-10 21:26:28
14.   dzzrtRatt
Have to admit, I'm pleased Gagne's back in the NL and will be a closer again. The Brewers are the team in my brother's market. I'd love it if he could manage to have at least one more "Game Over" type of year.
2007-12-10 21:35:49
15.   Jon Weisman
6 is close to what I use, except I also factored in strikeout and walk rates, age and health.

As someone pointed out in the last thread, getting more precise with the rankings isn't going to end the debate or even necessarily make the system better. In the end, you can be precise to several decimal places if you want, and still you're just guessing at what the pitcher is going to do in 2008 - and 2008 is entirely what this exercise is about. I really there's a strong argument for keeping the rankings more general, because you're essentially building in a margin for error that's appropriate.

You can start adding/subtracting half points to a bunch of different pitchers, and you're not going to change a team's point total significantly, plus you've created more work for yourself and more room for debate. Because again, this isn't meant to be just a review of past seasons, but a forward look.

The goal is not to determine who has the best staff to a precise degree. The goal is to give you an idea of where you stand.

So I'm not convinced about making those changes. I'm not saying I wouldn't - but I'm just not convinced they'll accomplish anything. But anyone who wants to take the raw stats and apply their own methodology to it, I'd certainly be willing to look at it.

2007-12-10 21:36:24
16.   Marty
My apologies. Outlook does me in again. I now have $105 in donations. Those who contributed, you know who you are.

Thanks again!

2007-12-10 21:38:02
17.   Eric Stephen
Add another team to the powder blue train! The Royals will wear powder blues during occasional home dates in 2008.

The Blue Jays are also joining this great crusade.

There's plenty of time left for other teams to join the bandwagon. I'm looking at you, St. Louis!

2007-12-10 21:41:43
18.   Marty
Wow, I feel like Jerry Lewis. I just got another $50. We are up to $155. You guys/gals are great.
2007-12-10 21:44:52
19.   neuroboy002
Random but relevant finding on Ebay:

Clayton Kershaw and Matt Kemp autograph baseballs are selling for $40 and $33, respectively. An Ltd Bob Feller was selling for $40 as well. Minor leagues vs. HOF - go figure. Supply & demand at work, I guess.

2007-12-10 21:52:24
20.   Jon Weisman
Thanks to Marty and everyone else. Marty, just make sure that these pledges you're hearing about are actual pledges, and not some ruse to make you fork over the dough :)
2007-12-10 22:06:17
21.   Andrew Shimmin
I'm still angry at the Brewers for letting the Cubs win the Central, this year. I guess I'm willing to root for Gagne to have a good year, but I may, otherwise, be willing to throw the team under the bus, and start pulling for the Reds. If it weren't for Krivsky. Can't root for the Cardinals, no point in rooting for the Astros or Pirates. Maybe I hate the whole NL Central.
2007-12-10 22:10:38
22.   GoBears
Pasting these LAT victims, since the conversation seems to have carried over here. Benaiah, I hope you don't mind...

409. GoBears
I think one thing to remember is that Jon's project is for the 2008 season only. I'm sure everyone would take Hamels over Lowe if they were building a team, or signing multiyear deals. And Hamels probably even has more upside (potential for greatness) in 2008. But I am not certain that Hamels WILL have a better 2008 than Lowe, and as Jon says, the main reason for caution is uncertainty about his ability to pitch a full season at a high level next year.

410. Benaiah
The point isn't to construct the perfect system to determine exactly how productive each rotation will be. We could try to use ZIPS and a formula we came up with to figure it out within a broad range if we wanted to, but it would just point out that nothing is certain until the year starts. People will get hurt, people will overperform and underperform, line drives with be hit right at people and groundballs will find the gap. You can't know beyond a certain amount how good a staff is going to be next year. This is just as simple as: "How many pitchers next year fall within broad guidelines of past performance, possibility of injury, age and repeatibility."

Hamels will probably outperform Lowe next year, but how many times out of a hundred will Lowe be better than Hamels? Surely there is about thirty percent chance that someone as healthy and consistent as Lowe at 34 (Schilling was a super above average 4 until he was almost forty) will outperform Cole Hamels, an oft injured pitcher with one season where he was better than Lowe (48.8 VORP vs 30.5 VORP). Lowe was better in 2006 than Hamels was in 2007, and Lowe's 2005 was even better. I know Lowe isn't a very likable guy, but Hamels isn't on a different level than him, yet.

This was a fine undertaking, not the last word on rotation ranking but it really gets the point across. By not signing another Juan Pierre type of albatross the Dodgers are giving the trio of young guys a chance to show what they can do. We don't need an insurance replacement pitcher to use in dream trade scenarios to get rid of his albatross contract and clear space for the young guys. We have enough starting pitching.

2007-12-10 22:14:06
23.   Eric Stephen
Getting back to the main point of this thread, I spell it "ketchup".
2007-12-10 22:16:48
24.   Marty
OK, In fairness, I have to say I've now gotten over my $200 limit. I've gotten emails totaling $235. So, I'll match that amount.

This has been a great response. Obviously you feel as I do that this is a special site. I truly thank you. This is incredibly special. You are the greatest.

I hope you all have a very happy holiday season (how's that for being politically correct!)

Of course, you can still click on that Paypal button if you want to give to the cause. You just won't have me around to help you out :-)

2007-12-10 22:16:54
25.   Vishal
23 really? when you fall behind, do you play ketchup?
2007-12-10 22:18:15
26.   Xeifrank
I only eat it on meatloaf.
vr, Xei
2007-12-10 22:18:21
27.   Eric Stephen
Yes, it's quite messy.
2007-12-10 22:19:26
28.   Linkmeister
Who'll speak for "catsup?"

(Had some tonight. On scrambled eggs.)

2007-12-10 22:22:07
29.   Andrew Shimmin
There's no excuse for ketchup.
2007-12-10 22:23:33
30.   Eric Stephen
What can I say? The fine folks in the marketing department of Heinz brainwashed me as a child.
2007-12-10 22:24:13
31.   Andrew Shimmin
Not the spelling--the thing itself, I mean. Ketchup is like decaffeinated coffee, fake salt, and mosquitoes. It just shouldn't exist.
2007-12-10 22:26:02
32.   Eric Stephen
I can accept that.
2007-12-10 22:26:55
33.   Andrew Shimmin
30- I thank my sister for making it totally unappetizing for me, even as a child. She was a slatherer. Even on baked potatoes.


2007-12-10 22:28:54
34.   Linkmeister
33 Yow. Baked potatoes? It took me years to like sour cream on baked potatoes. Ketchup on 'em? Yow.
2007-12-10 22:34:45
35.   Bob Timmermann
The OED seems to think that "ketchup" is a preferred spelling or at least closer to the Chinese and Malay origin of the word.
2007-12-10 22:36:55
36.   Andrew Shimmin
I have nightmares about it to this day. I once carved her name in a coffee table, because I knew nobody would believe her when she insisted she hadn't done it. But we're still not even.
2007-12-10 22:40:10
37.   Linkmeister
And the argument would be "well, you like it on fries, right? So what's the difference?"
2007-12-10 22:41:47
38.   Sagehen
35 Bob mentioned the OED. I think I'm in love ...

(What can I say? I'm a beleaguered English teacher who has been grading papers all day)

2007-12-10 22:43:18
39.   Linkmeister
Oxymoron alert! English teachers are, by default, beleaguered; no need for that extra adjective!
2007-12-10 23:14:39
40.   Vishal
39 you mean redundant.
2007-12-10 23:15:28
41.   Vishal
an oxymoron is a phrase which contradicts itself. "well-paid blogger", for example.
2007-12-10 23:23:58
42.   Sagehen
And here I thought an Oxymoron was someone who went to a small liberal arts college in Eagle Rock.
2007-12-10 23:32:13
43.   Bob Timmermann
Jon has a little known "Rule 17." No trash talking among SCIAC schools.

Unless it's between Redlands and La Verne grads.

2007-12-11 00:01:12
44.   milkshakeballa

If you guys want to email Kuroda and tell him to come on down to LA and team up with Mr. Saito you can do so here...

It can't hurt right?

Nite all

2007-12-11 00:03:14
45.   milkshakeballa
Also, here is a little interview with James Loney.

Check out his "everybody has a right to their opinion" response haha and his last comment. I like it!!!

2007-12-11 00:18:16
46.   Eric Enders
I think Mia Wallace should have the final say on the spelling of this word.
2007-12-11 00:31:26
47.   Vishal
45 if that guy can snag an interview with loney, why can't jon hit up one of the young dodgers?? i'd LOVE to see jon interview loney, kemp, billingsley, broxton, or martin.
2007-12-11 01:55:48
48.   Sagehen
43 My apologies.
2007-12-11 03:02:26
49.   Benjamin Miracord
Fox Sports Radio Network newswoman Karen Kay this morning accused Los Angeles Dodger catcher Russell Martin, pitcher Takashi Saito, and infielder Nomar Garciaparra of steriod use. Kay predicted that all three would be named in the Mitchell Report, expected out sometime in the next week.

Kay's intense bias against the Dodgers is well known, but this current attack appeared both blatantly unwarranted and unfounded.

2007-12-11 04:32:36
50.   D4P
As long as C--i's not in the report, I'll be happy.
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2007-12-11 05:59:13
51.   Bumsrap
Now that we don't have an all ketch, no throw center fielder with a great work ethic and instead have a gold glove center fielder with let's have a good time atitude, how will this affect Kemp?

With Jones and Kemp perhaps both willing to move a trash can, how will this affect Kent?

The Brewers want to trade for either a third baseman or left fielder, Blalock or Ethier, and maybe move Braun to left field because of the errors he made at third last year. Would anybody want to trade LaRoche and Ethier for Braun?

2007-12-11 06:18:42
52.   Jon Weisman
I like ketchup on hot dogs, on hamburgers and with a k.


Thomas Boswell in the Washington Post:

"Now, with Lo Duca in hand, the plan has come together. The Nationals have built a respectable major league offense, without sacrificing any pitching or too much defense."

After seeing yesterday what their rotation looks like, yeah, good thing they didn't sacrifice any pitching.

2007-12-11 06:47:23
53.   Daniel Zappala
The Ketchup Advisory Board would like to point out that ketchup has natural mellowing agents that help you through the rough spots in life, such as when your team plays Juan Pierre in left field.
2007-12-11 06:49:39
54.   Penarol1916
52. They'll kick you out of the city of Chicago if they find you putting ketchup on hot dogs, possibly out of the entire state of Illinois. Perhaps that is why ketchup on hot dogs is so popular (Yeah I'm bitter about being in Chicago on a day with a ton of freezing rain.)
2007-12-11 06:52:34
55.   dodger fan in hong kong
Long time lurker, first time poster

I love this site and read it daily. I would like to give something back and will take the baton on Marty's now expired offer to match donations

For those who would like to donate to the Dodger Thoughts, please email me your donation amount. I will match up to $200

2007-12-11 07:01:04
56.   D4P
A cynic would call "Shenanigans".
2007-12-11 07:12:27
57.   Hythloday
56 You already used your monthly Shenanigans call on oklahomadodger
2007-12-11 07:13:18
58.   Disabled List
There's a Belgian french fry joint near my place that has "curry ketchup" as one of its dipping sauces. It is the standard by which all ketchups are to be measured.

They also have "Thai chili ketchup", but it's not as good.

2007-12-11 07:14:25
59.   Jon Weisman
54 - Guess that's how my dad ended up in Los Angeles. I like ketchup, mustard, relish and onions on my dog.

55 - A hearty welcome to you - thanks!

2007-12-11 07:15:50
60.   DodgerBakers
53 . I was waiting for a Garrison Keillor reference. I used to like his show more back in the day, but I still enjoy it once in awhile.
2007-12-11 07:22:06
61.   D Money
i will battle you for that statement!

GO Ketchup! on fries! on burgers! on hot dogs! on hash browns! on..on...i guess thats all i eatit on...but its yummy!

2007-12-11 07:22:26
62.   D Money

that was for


2007-12-11 07:23:58
63.   D Money
those devilish type tactics were employed by my sister! i cannot forgive her OR you!

she could act so well! i never had a chance!

2007-12-11 07:27:57
64.   Andrew Shimmin
Mayonnaise is the only identifiable foodstuff that's worse than ketchup.
2007-12-11 07:28:50
65.   MC Safety
Ketchup makes me cringe, thanks to my cousin Maddy's idea that ketchup tastes good on vanilla ice cream. Havent touched the stuff since.
2007-12-11 07:30:08
66.   Daniel Zappala
60 Garrison Keillor references are my bailiwick. Everyone else has movies and TV shows pretty-well covered, so I've carved out my niche.
2007-12-11 07:31:35
67.   MC Safety
64 I will take that one step further and say that English Salad Creme (mayo and miracle whip?) is the grossest condiment I have ever tasted.
2007-12-11 07:34:19
68.   Art H Tracy
Question for the minor league afficianados: Why were the Pirates, Mets and Royals so eager to get rid of Keppinger? Even now, I'm not sensing a lot of excitement here in Ohio about him.

2007-12-11 07:41:28
69.   DodgerBakers
66 Oh, great, we should form a club! "like Ketchup flowing on baked potatoes. Ketchuuuup, Ketchuuuuup..."
2007-12-11 07:45:16
70.   CanuckDodger
Why is mustard getting a free pass here? I have never tasted it, and I don't need to; since childhood, just the smell of it can make me violently ill, so over time the very sight of yellow mustard fills me with disgust. (Since I have never been close enough to the non-yellow mustard to smell it, I don't have the same visceral reaction to seeing it.) When I heard presidential candidate Gov. Bill Richardson admit on CNN that he loves mustard so much he carries plastic packages of it around in his pockets and consumes it by itself, as a snack, I could not have been more overcome with revulsion if he admitted to being a cannibal.
2007-12-11 07:45:40
71.   StolenMonkey86
55 ,56 - That's D4P's way of saying welcome.

And yeah. Welcome.

2007-12-11 07:47:53
72.   Disabled List
Parts of this thread, particularly 67 , have been inducing some Rule 13 violations.

I'll add to the catalogue of disgusting condiments by mentioning any type of fat-free Ranch dressing, which tastes like regular Ranch dressing stored in a litter box and left in the sun for a few days.

2007-12-11 07:50:15
73.   Disabled List
70 I have, no kidding, about 8 different varieties of mustard in my refrigerator. Now that's some good condimentin'.
2007-12-11 07:51:42
74.   Xeifrank
Any idea if the new park in D.C. will be a hitters or pitchers park? I tried to get some info on the dimensions at the MLB site and they only have pictures and artist renderings. Sam?
vr, Xei
2007-12-11 07:52:33
75.   D4P
Pardon me, but do you happen to have...
2007-12-11 07:53:09
76.   Jon Weisman
73 - Yeah, I like different mustards too.
2007-12-11 07:53:15
77.   Ben P
It's been fun this morning here in DC to hear my Nats fan friends already buying into the hagiography of Lo Duca. "Veteran leadership" aside, I think this is a smart deal because it's only a year and he is definitely an offensive upgrade from Schneider (for what that's worth). If the Nats have Lo Duca catch 110 games and Flores 50, with the idea of Flores taking over the starting job next year, then it will work. My fear is that Lo Duca will hit an empty .290 and sucker the Nats into offering him an extension.
2007-12-11 07:56:08
78.   Penarol1916
70. My 4 year old loves nothing more than a mustard sandwich. Of course, it is primarily brown and honey mustard that he prefers, yellow is only good in a pinch.
2007-12-11 07:57:48
79.   Disabled List
75 ...but of course!
2007-12-11 08:00:54
80.   Daniel Zappala
I don't like the yellow stuff; spicy brown mustard works for me. But you're wasting condiments if you put them on hot dogs. Bratwurst is where it's at.
2007-12-11 08:00:59
81.   D4P
Splendid! Let me roll down the window on my Rolls and have Jenkins retrieve it from you.
2007-12-11 08:02:36
82.   Disabled List

[rolls up window, drives off]

2007-12-11 08:04:38
83.   Jon Weisman
80 - Clippers announcer Mike Smith is giving you a run for your money. According to today's Times, he is about to have twins - which will put him in double-digits.
2007-12-11 08:05:26
84.   Sam DC
74 Xeifrank, FWIW:
2007-12-11 08:06:07
85.   D4P
Is Mike any relation to Joseph...?
2007-12-11 08:10:28
86.   Jon Weisman
Michael Smith is most famous for being drafted two picks ahead of Todd Lichti in the 1989 NBA draft.
2007-12-11 08:12:48
87.   Daniel Zappala
Where in the world is Todd Lichti these days, anyway? Boy that brings back good memories.
2007-12-11 08:13:33
88.   Daniel Zappala
Latest Kuroda rumors:

2007-12-11 08:17:09
89.   Marty
Mayonnaise is a gift from the gods.

If you've never tasted the mustard at Phillipe's, you've missed out on one of life's great experiences.

58 Is the Belgian fry joint Oinkster in Eagle Rock?

2007-12-11 08:19:28
90.   Jon Weisman
89 - the gods of evil!
2007-12-11 08:26:47
91.   Disabled List
89 Negative, I live in NYC.

Mayo is acceptable in small doses, like on a dry turkey sandwich, or with tuna. One of the reasons I stopped eating at Quizno's was the mayo-drenching of all the sandwiches there.

2007-12-11 08:28:23
92.   Sushirabbit
Since I found Frank's Hot Sauce, I have no need of Ketchup, Mustard, or Mayo. I eat it on eggs, sandwiches, burgers, fries. Hmm. I still like mustard on my dogs, though.
2007-12-11 08:29:14
93.   Andrew Shimmin
"Mayo is acceptable in small doses, like on a dry turkey sandwich"

See, that is the problem, right there. Bad food is bad. You can't fix it with other bad food. If the thing is insufficiently greasy, don't eat it. Eat something that's good, instead. Like bacon.

2007-12-11 08:31:46
94.   Sam DC
My brother in law will not sit at a table where mayonnaise is eaten.

He actually gets up and leaves.

92 Now there's a man with taste.

But you left out pizza. I can always get my kids to scream by putting that stuff on a slice of pizza.

2007-12-11 08:34:32
95.   Disabled List
93 Gotta disagree. Leftover thanksgiving turkey can be pretty dry and unappetizing, but it can be nicely rehabilitated with a little spread of mayo on rye bread, along with some Colman's mustard.
2007-12-11 08:38:44
96.   Sam DC
When the turkey gets too dry, you make it into hash.
2007-12-11 08:38:56
97.   Benaiah
ZIPs did a confidence interval projection for Matt Kemp in 2008.
The optimistic projection (15%):
.323/.374/.539 22 HR 41 BB
.303/.348/.483, 18 HR 37 BB
Pessimistic (15%)
.282/.323/.427, 11 HR 26 BB

That optimistic projection looks pretty awesome, but man that pessimistic... Matt Kemp has topped his optimistic home run total once, when he hit 27 in Vero Beach (which Andrew points out as the best home run park in the minors), and his walk total once (he had 46 BB in 2006 over three levels). Last year he had 14 home runs and 26 BB over 453 at bats between AAA and the majors. He is young and you would expect progress, but his huge jump in OPS in 2007 was entirely due to increasing his batting average nearly 100 points. His ISOslugging (.195 to .178) and ISOpatience (.036 to .031) went down from 2006. No way he hits .340 again so I hope to see some improvement, any improvement, in his component stats in 2008.

In my heart I believe Kemp will be a star with the Dodgers, but in my head I think trading him for Bedard would only suck because it meant Pierre would play every day.

2007-12-11 08:39:07
98.   kinbote
I can't believe anyone cares about my taste in traditional condiments, but here goes:

Mayo--The single most disgusting manufactured foodstuff on the planet. I believe everyone's allowed one irrational food dislike [my wife's is mushrooms].

Catsup--For kids. I will eat cocktail sauce [basically catsup plus horseradish; often a rougher texture] and I'm quite fond of certain BBQ sauces.

Mustard--It's vinegary, you know? So if you don't like strong vinegar flavor, it's not for you.

Yank Sing Chili Sauce--God's greatest gift to mankind.

2007-12-11 08:39:35
99.   Eric Stephen
Chiming back in on Condiment Thoughts, here is where I stand:

Ketchup - like it with fries, and on hot dogs (with mustard and pickles), and as an ingredient in meatloaf

Mustard - was fiercely loyal to plain yellow mustard for ages, but more recently have come to enjoy different varieties. The horseradish mustard at Philippe's is the best I've ever tasted (I'm still kicking myself for not buying a bottle) mustard on hot dogs, bratwurst/sausages, and more recently as a dip for pretzels (hard kind, not the soft, with which I've always liked mustard)

Mayonnaise - the white-headed stepchild of condiments. Only acceptable in small doses when mixed with tuna, although I prefer my tuna plain

Also, Pico Pica or Cholula on eggs is divine.

2007-12-11 08:41:28
100.   D4P
When the turkey gets too dry, you make it into hash

Then you stay up all night selling it (along with cocaine) to an undercover cop who's got a sister named Jan, who (inexplicably) loves your drug dealer partner.

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2007-12-11 08:41:47
101.   Sushirabbit
So, can minor leaguers get good enough in their late 20s to see the big leagues? We all might be interested if he makes it because it's a sign that someone can recover from back issues. I've been checking out various Nashville Sounds players on baseball reference's new(ish) minor league stats.

I'm very intrigued by Dillon. There have been noises made about moving Braun to LF, or platooning Dillon and Hall. I'll be rooting for the guy. Check out the last few years.

for a feel good story:

2007-12-11 08:42:52
102.   Eric Stephen
The LA Times Dodger OF poll is up to 68.9% for the correct OF, with a whopping 13,446 votes casted thus far.
2007-12-11 08:43:59
103.   regfairfield
101 They can, but they don't tend to last too long.
2007-12-11 08:46:08
104.   Benaiah
Mayo is only good as an element in balance with the other things it is around. Its basically pure fat, so I have trouble spreading it on a piece of wonder bread without getting grossed out. It has its place in the kitchen to give body to certain sauces, but it should always be used sparingly.

Mustard, on the other hand, is high art. A (preferably spicy) mustard dipping sauce is the perfect compliment to a wide variety of meats. Ketchup is awful though, I want onions, hot peppers and maybe chili or pickles on a hot dog not tomato puree and vinegar.

2007-12-11 08:47:53
105.   Sam DC
100 We've got to get Stolenmonkey in on that.
2007-12-11 08:47:59
106.   D4P
At least we can all agree:

West Coast barbecue sauce >>>> Carolina barbecue sauce

2007-12-11 08:48:45
107.   Penarol1916
For a dry turky sandwich I tend to just add salsa, most any will do.
2007-12-11 08:48:46
108.   D4P
And (Derek) Jeter
2007-12-11 08:49:33
109.   D4P
Salsa is a great and underrated condiment. It's especially good on spinach salads.
2007-12-11 08:49:48
110.   Penarol1916
106. It's too bad both are significantly worse than Memphis, Kansas City and most kinds of Texas BBQ sauce.
2007-12-11 08:51:13
111.   Daniel Zappala
My guess is we're talking salsa next?
2007-12-11 08:51:15
112.   StolenMonkey86
Ketchup - I don't know if I'd go so far as to say replacement level, but not the first thing I reach for. Ok with fries, chicken nuggets occasionally. Hot dogs either with this or plain, especially if it's the kind of dog that can stand alone.

Barbecue sauce - tomato based, but different substance. Not as multi-purpose, but good.

Honey - Preferred for chicken, but half the time fast food places don't have it.

Mustard - never cared for it.

Mayonayse - That's disgusting. Ruined a burger at Wendy's for me.

Honey mustard - It's like hey, it's sort of what you want, but then it's not. I can't find an analogy.

Relish - never been a fan.

Tabasco - no thanks.

2007-12-11 08:52:03
113.   Benaiah
106 - Carolina BBQ is horrible. I don't think it is even a viable regional cuisine, it is just cheap garbage food. Compared to Texas BBQ, which is incredibly multi-faceted (ribs, brisket, et al) it seems sad, like the poor Carolinians just didn't know better than to eat pulled pork sandwiches.
2007-12-11 08:52:30
114.   D4P
Well, I might be confounding West Coast with the kinds you list. I like the tomato-based stuff. The vinegar-based stuff here in NC is disgusting.

Come to think of it, it doesn't really matter much now that I more-or-less stopped eating meat.

2007-12-11 08:53:07
115.   StolenMonkey86
105 You want me to do what?
2007-12-11 08:53:23
116.   D4P
My guess is we're talking salsa next?

Just don't give me any that was made in NEW YORK CI-TEEE..?!?!?!

2007-12-11 08:57:58
117.   Disabled List
I'm immensely amused by mayonnaise hatred. A have a friend who absolutely can't stand the stuff, and gets furious whenever he finds it on food where he wasn't expecting it. It got to the point where every order he placed at a restaurant, no matter what, was punctuated by, "No mayo."

e.g., I'll have a calzone, with no mayo; I'll have the carne asada burrito, no mayo; Let me get the yellowtail sashimi, no mayo; I'll try the kung pao chicken, but please make sure there's no mayo on it; etc.

2007-12-11 08:59:26
118.   Penarol1916
109. Are you talking about using salsa as the salad dressing or in addition to dressing? As a dressing would be very interesting, I combine salsa with almost everything else, it's a wonder I've never tried this.

As for the BBQ sauces, yes the others are all tomato-based sauces. While Texas may be the most multi-faceted of the good sauces, I've never had any as certain Memphis sauces with ribs and Kansas City sauces with brisket.

2007-12-11 09:00:09
119.   Disabled List
Mustard fans would love South Carolina-style BBQ sauce. It's mustard-based rather than tomato sauce-based. Good stuff.
2007-12-11 09:00:46
120.   D4P
Salsa as a dressing. I usually add some parmesan cheese and olive oil as well.
2007-12-11 09:01:26
121.   Marty
I swear there's nothing but Philistines on this board. It's just eggs and oil, two of life's building blocks. The only meat that mayo doesn't go well with is pastrami. I like to dip my fries in mayonnaise. a BLT with heirloom tomatoes and fresh mayo is transcendental.
2007-12-11 09:06:58
122.   MC Safety
The only good thing about the city of San Diego is the Kansas City (?) BBQ place where they filmed that one bar scene in Top Gun. What a dive, but good BBQ, cool atmosphere, and there is also a random ceiling fan hanging over the bar decorated with female students (CSULB) undergarments. Quite the find after a long day at the comic convention.
2007-12-11 09:08:28
123.   Andrew Shimmin
94- If I could get away with that, I'd do it. My friends and family scarcely tolerate me, as is, so I have to tone down some of my fiercer proclivities, or I'd end up lonely and insufferable. Like Pellam.
2007-12-11 09:09:20
124.   Sushirabbit
My guess is we're talking salsa next? it's better than beating the dead horse, ain't it?
2007-12-11 09:11:22
125.   Marty
What is a random ceiling fan? Sometimes it's there and sometimes it isn't?
2007-12-11 09:12:24
126.   D4P
My friends and family scarcely tolerate me, as is

Nobody like pleats.

2007-12-11 09:13:16
127.   MC Safety
119 Mustard based BBQ sauce sounds divine. I love most mustards outside of that despicable Colman's English stuff. Yuck! A friend eats McDonalds quite often, and he gets chicken Mcnuggets with hot mustard that is actually really good. I was not aware McDonalds had any sauce outside BBQ and Sweet and Sour, then again those were childhood faves and nowadays I try to stay as far away from that place as possible.
2007-12-11 09:13:45
128.   Sushirabbit
Oh, and Sam, I definitely use Frank's with Pizza. I don't use it all the time (ie, I'm in control of my addiction, ;-) ) but I find it goes with pretty much anything. My wife makes some butter-parmesian-whatver-else-she-thinks-noodles for my son; usually quite tasty, but sometimes they need a little extra oomph and that's what Frank's is for.
2007-12-11 09:14:58
129.   Hythloday
Before my head explodes trying to reconcile being called a Philistine by somebody who dips their fries in mayo I want to propose guacamole as the missing condiment of this conversation. It can't go on hot dogs, but that's about it. Good fresh guac is the ur-condiment.
2007-12-11 09:17:51
130.   underdog
And to think I almost slept through Condiment Thoughts!

All I know is I rank standard mayo (not OJ Mayo) at the very bottom (okay, maybe alongside sauerkraut and relish), and even more strongly so after my g/f got food poisoning from some spoiled mayo that was on a sandwich she purchased recently. More upscale mayo mixes, like pesto mayo are better, and aioli, but I'm still not a fan. Give me gourmet mustards, salsa, and BBQ sauce, depending on the wheres/whats of each and on what...

We should do an all-condiment sports name team.

OJ Mayo
Chad Mustard
Mike Relish (I'm making that up)
er... I'm stuck after that.

2007-12-11 09:18:04
131.   jasonungar07
Right when you get seated the dude comes over, "amigo, chips, water...cerveca"? and then bam right there you know what your in for just by the quality of the Salsa. I love that. Hate it sometimes too.

Ketchup-Burgers/Fries only
Mayo-Maybe a little "light" mayo on the turkey Sandwich, sure..
BBQ-Love it all.

My mom would/does put ketchup on Steak? Are you kidding me?

2007-12-11 09:18:46
132.   jasonungar07
And I guess I spell it Ketchup. lol
2007-12-11 09:18:48
133.   Penarol1916
Guac is a very nice condiment, but I prefer just slices of avacado on my sandwiches if given the choice (and they do work on hot dogs).
2007-12-11 09:20:52
134.   underdog
I always think of Guac as a dip, but I suppose you're right, it can be put on burritos, tacos and burgers, and other sandwiches, too, though to me there's nothing like a really outstanding quacamole that is just by itself as a dip for some good chips. Mmm.... Now I'm really hungry.
2007-12-11 09:22:00
135.   Robert Daeley
When I was a kid, I loved peanut butter and mayonnaise sandwiches.

Nowadays, mayonnaise isn't worth it unless it's real mayo, not that crap in jars.

Mustard of all varieties. I do not relish relish. Salsa and hot sauce in all varieties, again sans jars.

I prefer "catsup" to "ketchup" (although I also prefer "yoghurt" to "yogurt"), and also like specifying "tomato catsup." Back in the day, catsup just meant sauce -- which is why you'll still see "tomato ketchup" on your ketchup or catsup.

2007-12-11 09:22:04
136.   MC Safety
125 Not sure how else to explain it. It was pretty interesting.
2007-12-11 09:24:20
137.   Andrew Shimmin
135- My grandmother ate peanut butter, mayo, and banana sandwiches. People underestimate the psychological damage done to survivors of the Depression. And that which they inflicted on later generations.
2007-12-11 09:25:35
138.   Marty
I have a couple Italian friends from Chicago who always refer to spaghetti sauce as gravy.
2007-12-11 09:33:07
139.   wireroom
I am in ownership of the single greatest avocado giving tree ever in my backyard. There are literally hundreds of em' on their right now. That might be natures most perfect food because I can use that fruit for most anything. Sandwiches, salads, with cheese, with slices of onion, on toast, on omelettes, etc., on and on. Man I am glad that avocados came up on this site finally. I guard that tree with a vengeance.
2007-12-11 09:34:21
140.   ToyCannon
Lately I've become quite fond of the cilantro dressing from El Pollo Loco. Right now I'm putting it on everything salad, fish, or animal based.
Love my different types of mustard. You may only use mustard on a bratwurst. For whatever reason the bratwurst I've had in the US have never compared to Germany. It might just be an age thing and it might be because I've never had a brat from Milwaukee.
Won't swear off Mayo but hardly use it anymore. It is a bit gross to see what people will dip into mayo.
I rarely eat hot dogs anymore but if I do they must have catsup, pickles (not relish), and mustard.
2007-12-11 09:35:14
141.   Daniel Zappala
I'm flabbergasted that I posted 111 before I saw 107 and 109 . Here I thought I was being prescient.

From the mayonnaise haters, I'd like a ruling on Miracle Whip, otherwise known as "salad dressing" in the generic brands. No eggs and you can find varieties with very little fat.

2007-12-11 09:36:20
142.   Marty
Miracle Whip is vile.
2007-12-11 09:36:57
143.   kinbote
139 Sounds like you advocate avocados avocationally . . .
2007-12-11 09:37:32
144.   Daniel Zappala
138 Chicago has a strange breed of Italians. It's properly referred to as marinara, and can have other names depending on the ingredients.
2007-12-11 09:37:54
145.   ToyCannon
That is indeed a treasure. A nice holiday box of avocadoes to your fellow DT posters would be a great way to celebrate the season.

Gooey green stuff creeped me out until I was 30. Now I can't imagine living in a world without Guac.

2007-12-11 09:38:12
146.   wireroom
Cilantro, avocado, tomato and onion salad with vinegar, olive oil and pepper. The best right there.
2007-12-11 09:39:17
147.   kngoworld
Any love for Arbys sauce?

Big fan of spicy mustards, a good salsa, and BBQ sauce.

I hate any kind of mayo, kind of like Disabled List's friend in 117 . I also hate sour cream with just as much passion. Maybe I have something against the white condiments.

2007-12-11 09:39:28
148.   Eric Stephen
I'm not a big fan of guacamole, but the irony is that I make a pretty good guacamole (for parties and such), although admittedly it's not hard to make.
2007-12-11 09:39:49
149.   Andrew Shimmin
141- Unconscionable, really.
2007-12-11 09:40:29
150.   wireroom
145 Maybe I shall be so kind to share my wealth of avocados.....I will inventory the stock and let you know.
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2007-12-11 09:40:55
151.   Eric Stephen
147 Any love for Arbys sauce

I like their "horsey sauce", although I haven't eaten at Arby's in some time.

"I'm so hungry, I could eat at Arby's."
"Oh dear god!"

(Sorry, Jon.)

2007-12-11 09:42:20
152.   Andrew Shimmin
Sour cream I can get behind. It has to be used sparingly, but a dab in tuna (with plenty of curry paste/powder), and you're in business. Sour cream is what people wish mayonnaise was.
2007-12-11 09:43:27
153.   ToyCannon
Your so predictable and your going to hate the fact someone thinks your predictable.
2007-12-11 09:44:19
154.   wireroom
For a long time my hot dog was mustard and onions only, or get the hell out of town. Recently I have dabbed a slight amount of Ketchup, never katsup, and I can handle that. A pickled jalapeno or 5 with that is cool too.
2007-12-11 09:45:17
155.   Bob Timmermann
The only thing sour cream and mayonnaise have in common is that they're white.

Sour cream is a cultured dairy product. Cultured in the sense that it has bacteria added to it to produce a flavor.

Mayonnaise is a sauce.

It would be akin to comparing ketchup to blood.

2007-12-11 09:45:52
156.   kngoworld
I don't think anyone has brought up Steak Sauces yet, might have missed it though. The topic of steak sauces could be a whole other conversation, I know people who are passionate about their steaks and its fine sauces. Although, then you get the guy who claims steak sauces ruin the meat.
2007-12-11 09:46:39
157.   ToyCannon
A good friend of mine was hijacked to Austin and laments the fact he can't find a good hot salsa. He needs to tear when he eats or he's just not happy. Anyone have some recommendations?
2007-12-11 09:49:03
158.   Bob Timmermann
So he was on a plane that was hijacked and forced to land in Austin and now he's been kept there against his will?

Is Mack Brown behind this? Or Augie Garrido?

2007-12-11 09:50:44
159.   Penarol1916
147. Arby sauce just tastes like regular BBQ sauce to me, is it any different? Anytime I've eaten at Arby's, I've mixed that sauce with the Hosey Sauce.

135. You can still buy mushroom ketchup in England and Spain today.

144. Chicago just has a strange breed of people, I've seen a fair amount of Chicagoans refer to marinara as gravy, and to reiterate, they really, really hate it when anyone over the age of 10 puts ketchup on hot dogs.

2007-12-11 09:50:44
160.   jasonungar07
And the Hot Stove has come down to:

"I'm just sitting here watching the wheels go round and know I love to watch them roll."

2007-12-11 09:53:03
161.   Andrew Shimmin
153- It's not predictability, it's just consistency. I'm consistently opposed to things that are bad.
2007-12-11 09:54:12
162.   Penarol1916
156. Steak sauces don't ruin the meat, they are just in there for people who are eating a bad piece of meat that shouldn't have been eaten anyway.
2007-12-11 09:54:27
163.   D4P
I'm consistently opposed to things that are bad

With the exception of pleats.

2007-12-11 09:54:38
164.   old dodger fan
2007-12-11 10:00:14
165.   Daniel Zappala
I'm consistently opposed to things that are bad.

Like little children and kittens.

2007-12-11 10:01:53
166.   Sam DC
115 Google Monkey Man. Or maybe George Harrison and Monkey Man.
2007-12-11 10:04:00
167.   Sam DC
One loud fervent voice for KC Barbecue above all others.
2007-12-11 10:05:42
168.   fanerman
I like ketchup on many many things.

I like mustard on lots of things.

I like mayo on some things.

2007-12-11 10:05:58
169.   screwballin
55 dodger fan in hong kong, did I miss your email address?

98 Mayo--The single most disgusting manufactured foodstuff on the planet.

Velveeta/Cheeze Whiz begs to differ.

113 Carolina BBQ is horrible.

It's sad, Benaiah, after your many cogent posts here, to see you obliterate your credibility like that. How can we believe a word you say now?

2007-12-11 10:07:34
170.   Andrew Shimmin
165- Hey! I have no problem with kittens. . .
2007-12-11 10:08:47
171.   Penarol1916
163. Pleats are far too innocuous to be considered bad. That's like saying the color blue is bad.
2007-12-11 10:08:49
172.   Daniel Zappala
I've had some good barbecue sauce, but I always think the best is one you make yourself.
2007-12-11 10:10:31
173.   fanerman
151 My roommate has never been to Arby's and has the impression that it sucks from that episode. I quite enjoy Arby's.
2007-12-11 10:12:57
174.   Gr-ool
31 Ketchup has plenty of tomato goodness, however. It's an excellent source of lycopene. Plus a decent amount of vitamin C. A far better food than some others.
2007-12-11 10:15:26
175.   ToyCannon
Does the good cancel the bad when combined with eating the salt lick that McDonalds, calls fries?
2007-12-11 10:16:49
176.   Jon Weisman
Wow, dissing McDonald's fries. Is nothing sacred?
2007-12-11 10:17:53
177.   Gr-ool
98 "I believe everyone's allowed one irrational food dislike [my wife's is mushrooms]."

Yes, good point! For some it seems to be ketchup. For me, hmm, well I am not too fond of mushrooms either, however my real disgust is reserved for bananas. Yeech! Just the smell, awful.

2007-12-11 10:18:57
178.   ToyCannon
I think we could easily eliminate the people in this world who will do harm to it by finding out at an early age if they find kittens to be offensive.

I find it amusing that Mike Smith is actually creating the Zappala family.

2007-12-11 10:24:46
179.   ToyCannon
I love mushrooms as long as they are cooked in some kind of sauce. Marsala works for me.
2007-12-11 10:29:23
180.   Gr-ool
175 Well, of course you also have the salt and corn syrup in most ketchups. Condiment thoughts!:

Ketchup: I used to use a lot more of it, on burgers, fries, scrambled eggs, and meatloaf. Now, not so much, since I rarely eat burgers, and have converted mostly to a much less healthy condiment for my fries...

Ranch dressing: Excellent on fries, especially Red Robin fries. A real downfall of mine.

BBQ Sauce: I like to combine about half and half of the hot and the sweet sauce at Busters Texax BBQ, with a BBQ turkey sandwich and fries.

Mayo: Love mayo a bit too much, especially on a turkey sandwich, on burgers, and on the occasional fry (like at Fuddruckers.)

Mustard: Well, it's good in devilled eggs.

Salsa: Love it, mostly use it on chips. Whole Foods has a good roasted corn salsa too.

2007-12-11 10:30:13
181.   kinbote
Could we please sign a back-up catcher or something?
2007-12-11 10:30:32
182.   Daniel Zappala
178 Where do you think I get my material from?
2007-12-11 10:31:59
183.   Daniel Zappala
181 Damian Miller is available.
2007-12-11 10:34:10
184.   Sam DC
Resolution being debated on the House floor whether to honor the University of Hawai'i for its 100 years of service and dedication to higher education.

No mention of the mighty 'Bows just yet . . .

2007-12-11 10:34:20
185.   fanerman
181 We don't talk about baseball here.
2007-12-11 10:35:37
186.   wireroom
I used to love Sushi and everything associated with it. I loved Wasabi and the fire it brought to my nose. But then I got food poisoning in the worst way from sushi and even the thought or smell turns my stomach anymore. This is unfortunate in my life.
2007-12-11 10:37:06
187.   fanerman
186 Was this at a restaurant?
2007-12-11 10:38:13
188.   Hythloday
174 177 I like the contrast there of talking about the health value of ketchup and dissing bananas (irrational though it may be) when the bananas may be one of the healthier foods put on this planet (by aliens from the Crab Nebula).
2007-12-11 10:39:38
189.   wireroom
187 yes, dragon street sushi in NoHo Arts district. I hate to out them because they are really nice folks who run the place. I ate there all the time. I place the blame on the fish and not the restaurant.
2007-12-11 10:39:58
190.   fanerman
I used to eat a banana everyday my senior year in high school. I got so sick of bananas that I ate maybe 3 of them during my entire college life. Now I usually only eat bananas in smoothies, sundaes, or those fried dessert things.
2007-12-11 10:43:12
191.   Penarol1916
188. I had a doctor once tell me that bananas were the junk food of the fruit kingdom. I co-worker spent two months digging up articles and data to prove to me that the doctor was wrong.
2007-12-11 10:43:50
192.   Sam DC
184 Hah -- now the del from American Samoa is thanking June Jones for coming to his little territory to recruit football players for the University. And he's not happy about the Heisman result either.
2007-12-11 10:44:47
193.   Marty
Mayo is also good for artichoke dipping.

I've heard wonderful things about KC BBQ. Gates is supposed to be great.

2007-12-11 10:44:59
194.   Hythloday
191 - Who was more persuasive?
2007-12-11 10:46:39
195.   Marty
Bananas and peaches are my favorite fruit. Both make great daiquiris.
2007-12-11 10:49:30
196.   D Money
there very flattering in the crotchal region. it's an optical illusion! wow...this is embarrassing.

ok, got my anchorman reference out of the way.

2007-12-11 10:50:16
197.   wireroom
Man, I could handle a daquiri on a trpical beach somewhere right now.
2007-12-11 10:50:38
198.   Penarol1916
194. I guess the co-worker since the doctor just mentioned it off the cuff and never said anything again and the co-worker just gave me piles of information. It could be from quacks for all I know, but it doesn't matter since I find that bananas disrupt my digestive processes too much.
2007-12-11 10:53:02
199.   kinbote
195 For some reason, that made me think of James Spader's line from that Seinfeld episode: "You know, I don't even think we have that flavor."
2007-12-11 10:53:48
200.   Andrew Shimmin
Pinto writes about the Bill James Clutch article. And he uses confidence intervals!

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2007-12-11 10:58:18
201.   Gr-ool
188 I know, it's illogical, isn't it? ;-) It's almost like an allergy with me. I have an intense dislike for bananas. However, I love apples, so I eat plenty of those instead. Speaking of nutrition, I was surprised and happy a while back to learn that yougurt is an excellent source of potassium (as are bananas, obviously.)
2007-12-11 10:59:07
202.   MC Safety
MC Safety's Top 5 fruits:

1. Nectarines
2. Pears
3. Plums
4. Pineapples
5. Oranges

I cant stand peaches, red apples, and everything melon besides watermelon.

2007-12-11 11:02:32
203.   fanerman
200 Oh man. Confidence Intervals. I'm so there!
2007-12-11 11:06:56
204.   MC Safety
Life without albacore and some sort of soft shell crab roll is unfathomable.
2007-12-11 11:07:32
205.   wireroom
Wirerooms top 5 fruits.
2007-12-11 11:08:19
206.   TheBigGrabowski
181 Bring back Piazza!

Jon, I'm going to look up Cleveland's pitchers and post it in the previous thread. I don't think anyone has done the Indians yet.

2007-12-11 11:08:52
207.   wireroom
204 mentally it is difficult. I hope one day that I can handle it again.
2007-12-11 11:10:33
208.   MC Safety
I did the Indians. I will take on another team if needed.
2007-12-11 11:17:34
209.   SG6
193 - mix in some good mustard with that Mayo and you have a killer artichoke dip.
2007-12-11 11:18:09
210.   jasonungar07
I'm just sitting here watching the Condiment, fruit and Salsa go round and round. You know I love to watch them explode
2007-12-11 11:20:42
211.   TheBigGrabowski
208 Nevermind then. Are there still teams needed?
2007-12-11 11:22:29
212.   Jon Weisman
2007-12-11 11:25:42
213.   MC Safety
209 Add some garlic and you are set.
2007-12-11 11:30:13
214.   Chris H
People enjoy ketchup because it is a sugar delivery device.
2007-12-11 11:33:35
215.   TheBigGrabowski
I'm on Seattle's rotation. Hopefully no one has done them yet.
2007-12-11 11:36:05
216.   Linkmeister
192 Jones is in his contract year; maybe Samoa could kick in a little towards the renewal.

Of all the store-bought salsas, I'll take Pace Picante.

I used to think Miracle Whip was fine until my future b-in-law converted us all to Best Foods/Heileman's.

2007-12-11 11:37:31
217.   Disabled List
157 Hard to believe your friend can't find good salsa in Texas. Good salsa in a jar is tough going, but the best I've ever discovered is a brand called JC's Midnite Salsa. So far, I've found it only at the hot sauce store at Farmer's Market, although they have a website you can order from:

"Hell Hot" is my preferred level, which is plenty fiery. "Hotter 'n Hell" will lift your skull clear off, and "Blackout" is not to be taunted.

2007-12-11 11:38:25
218.   GiantturnedDodger
Short time site stalker, first post. This site is the best Dodger site I have seen. The Official Site of the Dodgers appears to have an age limit of 16 and under and the Los Angeles Times blog is well, the Los Angeles Times. Keep up the good work here, it's great. On the pitching staff rankings, it would be interesting to compare the current Dodgers to the last several NL winners and the last several World Series winners. Off the top of my head it seems all would have had a #1 hammer power pitcher but not sure. Also not sure if Penny is that although I thought we matched up pretty good two years ago against the Mets. On to more important topics:
Ketchup/Catchup/Katchup: Required only for french fries
Mayonaise: Required only for artichokes (my wife hates me for this, but oh well) and a turkey sandwich on November 23rd.
Mustard: Plays for avg and slg
Salsa: 5 tool condiment
2007-12-11 11:49:55
219.   GiantturnedDodger

Any Hot Sauce: 3 sport/meal star. Can choose MLB/NBA/NFL

2007-12-11 16:21:00
220.   Joe Pierre
I'm supprised that Andrew never mentioned Ethier. The last time I looked Ethier was the left fielder.

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