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December 22 Open Chat
2007-12-22 08:17
by Jon Weisman

Happy 45th anniversary to my parents, who met in '54, didn't see each other for seven years, then found each other again - for good. Love you both.

Comments (144)
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2007-12-22 08:33:20
1.   Bob Timmermann
Congrats to the Weismans!

I think my parents met around 1954 too, but they got married in 1956.

2007-12-22 09:10:39
2.   Marty
My parents met in 1946 and married in 1947.

Congratulations elder Weismans

2007-12-22 09:13:08
3.   Andrew Shimmin
My parents' 38th (I think; I know the day, but the year is sketchier) was yesterday.
2007-12-22 09:22:37
4.   Sam DC
Congratulations Weismans! How wonderful.
2007-12-22 09:23:07
5.   Ken Noe
I think mine met in '55.

On a sadder subject, I assume that the Rangers' trade for Josh Hamilton keeps JP firmly in Dodger blue. Help us Obi-Wan KenWilliams, you are our only hope.

2007-12-22 09:23:28
6.   Sam DC
On another note, congratulations to Larry Johnson for returning and getting his degree from UNLV. Good on you.

2007-12-22 09:25:02
7.   Michael Green
My grandparents wed on this day in 1934. Seems like a good day for matches, Jon!

I was a UNLV grad student when Larry Johnson was playing there. From all reports, a nice guy.

2007-12-22 09:27:29
8.   Suffering Bruin
Heartiest congratulations to the Weismans and the Shimmins for that matter.

I've got my 18th coming in July.

2007-12-22 09:33:37
9.   Andrew Shimmin
I checked out both "Greg Brock" and "Suffering Bruin." Both came back clean. And I tried Brock twice, just to make sure.

2007-12-22 09:38:30
10.   Andrew Shimmin
8- Thanks; I'd pass them along but I think that might be an awkward conversation. "Who congratulated us? I don't understand, what do you mean it came up? What else comes up? How the hell much time are you spending there, anyway? HOW MUCH? etc."
2007-12-22 09:41:55
11.   Connector
Mazal tov to one and all, including myself Today's my 52nd + one month birthday.
BTW I love the way my birthdate looks:
2007-12-22 09:44:34
12.   Bob Timmermann
Or for those scoring at home:
7th of Kislev, 5716
2007-12-22 09:46:01
13.   El Lay Dave
Parents met in '56, married 1/60.

9 Did you try "Daniel Zappala"? With two score children, there must be a defaulted loan or something by now, but I got nothing.

Happy Winter Solstice to all. Rejoice that the sun will begin returning for all of us, except for that chap from New Zealand who is reveling in all that sunshine.

2007-12-22 09:58:35
14.   underdog
Congrats to anyone having an anniversary, or a birthday for that matter! Happy Saturday to you all.

UCSB's 8 game winning streak is about to come to an end, as they are about to play #1 North Carolina, in Chapel Hill, an angry North Carolina, angry that they only won by 10 points vs Nicholls State the other night. This probably won't be pretty. I'd be happy if they keep it close. Going to listen to it on the web, since I don't get Fox Sports South.

2007-12-22 10:06:10
15.   Linkmeister
Jon, your parents and mine shared the date for a while. They were married on December 22, 1947; today would have been their 60th, had Dad not passed away in 1993.

Happy Anniversary to all those whose marriages began on this date.

2007-12-22 10:09:18
16.   Andrew Shimmin
Are professor's credentialed at all? I'm pretty sure they don't take the same one that primary and secondary teachers do, if they do need any.
2007-12-22 10:15:19
17.   D4P
I think the doctoral degree essentially counts as the credential. In my field (as well as many others), schools care more about your ability to do research than to teach. Which isn't to say that you can necessarily get away with bad teaching. Rather, being a bad teacher will hurt you more than being a good teacher will help you.
2007-12-22 10:22:33
18.   Andrew Shimmin
17- It's funny that they haven't thought to get some rent-seeking done. Keep out the riffraff and other undesirables, plus keep the up and comers discouraged enough not to compete for the good jobs. You should write your congressman! Once you get a job, anyway. Don't barricade the door before you get through it. Plus there are the makework jobs of writing and grading the exams, and think of all the review committees and administration positions!

Hair dressers are licensed--aren't our college students (who are, by the way, our future) important enough to be taught only by the best?

2007-12-22 10:24:41
19.   D4P
I blame capitalism.
2007-12-22 10:29:40
20.   Jon Weisman
In the new Charles Schulz biography that I'm reading, the author says that the licensing exam that Schulz's father took to become a barber was as hard as the state's medical exams of the time. I found it hard to believe, but there you go.
2007-12-22 10:29:50
21.   Bob Timmermann
Academics can get tenure and then they can hold on to their jobs up to and including three homicides or cheating on a game show.
2007-12-22 10:33:11
22.   Bob Timmermann
I've been waiting for that book from the library, but it has a surprisingly long waiting list and the library bought relatively few copies.

Is it good airplane reading?

I will have a review of "Black and Blue" on the Griddle soon.

2007-12-22 10:34:12
23.   Andrew Shimmin
21- I think you underestimate the appeal of review committees.
2007-12-22 11:12:21
24.   trainwreck
Congratulations to Jon's parents.
2007-12-22 11:14:08
25.   Izzy
Congratulations to your mom and dad Jon! That is not a small thing.

Regarding FJM, whatever.... He said everything he needs to say about himself when he named his website. And the rankings are not unscientific, they are just possibly less so than others, but still provide something useful to anyone interested. It's not the "final word on sps", but what is? That doesn't mean you are not on to something; besides, means of evaluation are always improving and evolving. I would keep working on it.

2007-12-22 11:14:10
26.   overkill94
9 I put in the name of a guy who I know got busted for sleeping with one of his students, but it didn't give any details. What's the use of a crazy teacher finder if there are no details?
2007-12-22 11:14:53
27.   Connector
You found the Hebrew date in under 3 minutes! What site did you use, Bob?
2007-12-22 11:19:25
28.   Bob Timmermann
What do you mean, "use a site?" You don't think I know the Hebrew calendar off the top of my head?

If Connector lived in Revolutionary France, his birthday would be 30 Brumaire CLXIV!

2007-12-22 11:21:11
29.   Andrew Shimmin
26- You're right, it's not nearly as much fun as it might be. I did the same thing with a teacher I knew who ended up doing time over her little indiscretion; no mention of the pot or the Foreign Objects. Maybe in version 2.0.
2007-12-22 11:22:02
30.   Bob Timmermann
I don't believe Michigan's players shoot 3s as well as West Virginia's did last year.
2007-12-22 11:26:07
31.   Andrew Shimmin
Mr. Praline: 'Ello, I wish to register a complaint.

(The owner does not respond.)

Mr. Praline: 'Ello, Miss?

Owner: What do you mean "miss"?

Mr. Praline: I'm sorry, I have a cold. I wish to make a complaint!

2007-12-22 11:26:32
32.   overkill94
30 Or do they
2007-12-22 11:33:49
33.   underdog
Ugh. This is ugly. UCSB's better than this but they faced a complete, angry monster today in Chapel Hill. Oh well.
2007-12-22 11:36:37
34.   Jon Weisman
I'll lend you the book if you want, Bob. I think you'll like it.
2007-12-22 11:38:02
35.   trainwreck
Why do we always play like this when we are on CBS?
2007-12-22 11:39:43
36.   Connector
27 I would expect nothing less from a reference librarian. Since I am not of your profession, being a graphic studio office manager and hobbyist writer would you kindly please enlighten me where on the 'net I can match up Gregorian / Hebrew dates?
2007-12-22 11:41:50
37.   Bob Timmermann
2007-12-22 11:42:09
38.   Andrew Shimmin
2007-12-22 11:42:39
39.   Bob Timmermann
It's out of spite.
2007-12-22 11:42:48
40.   Andrew Shimmin
Of course.
2007-12-22 11:47:56
41.   trainwreck
Getting pumped for the Las Vegas Bowl?
2007-12-22 11:48:13
42.   Bob Timmermann
Kevin Love getting non-JoeyP approved offensive rebounds.
2007-12-22 11:48:30
43.   Connector
37 38 toda = thanks
2007-12-22 11:49:02
44.   Bob Timmermann
I have never looked forward to any Las Vegas Bowl more than this one.
2007-12-22 11:50:19
45.   overkill94
44 Even more than 2004 and/or 2002?
2007-12-22 11:52:48
46.   Bob Timmermann
I missed the 2004 game as I was at my brother's house and he doesn't have cable.

I had to follow through cell phone updates.

It was less than exciting.

Will UCLA run the option with Osaar at QB?

2007-12-22 11:54:27
47.   trainwreck
We will be happy to make the Las Vegas Bowl next year.
2007-12-22 11:55:38
48.   underdog
The North Carolina announcers are awful - the lead guy is senile and keeps forgetting who's who, and needs help from the two - yes two - analysts, and with the score a total blowout he's been laughing for the past minute. Wow. I don't know why I've kept listening but it's almost so shocking to hear someone this awful.
2007-12-22 11:56:19
49.   D4P
Why do we always play like this when we are on CBS?

Let's put it this way: there's a reason the Youngstown State and Cal-State Bernardino games weren't nationally televised.

2007-12-22 11:56:51
50.   Bob Timmermann
I predict that Michigan cannot beat UCLA unless they actually get to attempt a free throw at some point in the game.
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2007-12-22 11:57:44
51.   Bob Timmermann
Youngstown State and CSUSB were nationally televised on ESPN.

Or are you just referring to broadcast TV?

2007-12-22 12:00:27
52.   D4P
Meh. Facts aside, my point stands.
2007-12-22 12:06:09
53.   oshea2002
I think the Vegas Bowl is gonna get ugly for UCLA today. I hope it does; as an SC guy I'd much prefer they hire Neuheisel then Walker.

The Pac 10 struggles in bowls b/c teams like ucla and Oregon consistently lose, which in my opinion is usually a reflection on coaching.

2007-12-22 12:09:53
54.   Bob Timmermann
I have a fine thread on the Griddle for people to chat about all of today's bowls!

Choose your favorite wolf-themed team in the New Mexico Bowl!

2007-12-22 12:14:59
55.   underdog
54 Is that a real game? I thought it was just some sort of simulation.

of course, I thought Florida Atlantic was an airline, not a school, so what do I know?

Anyway, as exciting as that sounds, I think I'm going to try to get some air and sun.

2007-12-22 12:17:59
56.   oshea2002
Yeah, these first two bowl games stink. The Vegas bowl is the only decent one, but I'll miss most of it as I'll be at the SC hoops game. Memphis / G Town was good for a while, then Memphis really turned it on. All the more frustrating we let them off the hook in the Jimmy V.
2007-12-22 12:19:01
57.   D4P
I see that there's a " bowl." Not a "Papa Johns Bowl," but a " bowl."
2007-12-22 12:19:44
58.   overkill94
50 Uh oh
2007-12-22 12:20:18
59.   Bob Timmermann
I refuse to explain why twice...

Not that I actually explained it once.

2007-12-22 12:21:33
60.   trainwreck
I get the feeling I am going to see a lot of Airplane references on UCLA boards today.
2007-12-22 12:25:45
61.   trainwreck

Roll may need to rest for awhile longer.

2007-12-22 12:39:48
62.   Rob M
20 My great uncle had his tonsils removed by a barber. That's some serious wild west business, when men were men and all that.
2007-12-22 12:47:02
63.   Bob Timmermann
Barbers didn't get those red stripes on a pole for nothing.
2007-12-22 12:50:46
64.   D4P
I thought they were white stripes...
2007-12-22 12:51:11
65.   dzzrtRatt
Does it seem ironic to Cal grads that the Bears are playing in the Armed Forces Bowl?

The military does not generally get a warm reception in Berkeley.

2007-12-22 12:54:44
66.   Bob Timmermann
Strangely, Cal's opponent in the Armed Forces Bowl always gives a warm reception to the military.
2007-12-22 12:58:10
67.   trainwreck
BYU is going to have three times the number of fans that UCLA does.

If UCLA ever made a BCS Championship Game, would UCLA fans show up?

2007-12-22 12:59:19
68.   Bob Timmermann
Only if the game were played at the Rose Bowl.

And UCLA was playing somebody who didn't travel well.

2007-12-22 13:01:51
69.   Bob Timmermann
However, BYU is a special case. The school has a following that stretches well beyond Utah and the fans. It's a like smaller version of Notre Dame. Without the drinking and unreasonably high expectations.
2007-12-22 13:08:29
70.   Bob Timmermann
I assume trainwreck has resumed breathing.

It was nip and tuck down the stretch. ;-)

2007-12-22 13:20:25
71.   trainwreck
Soon, the real fun can begin.
2007-12-22 13:20:59
72.   oshea2002
I can't believe ucla only attempted to sell 6k tickets and still hasn't sold them all. The program needs to be supported in good times and bad. I didn't enjoy treking out there on Christmas day to watch that Utah debacle, but you gotta do it.
2007-12-22 14:23:38
73.   Bob Timmermann
UCLA fans won't even go to the Rose Bowl on New Year's Day.

I have attended one minor bowl in my life: the Freedom Bowl! I went to it twice. Once I saw UCLA beat BYU and the other time I saw Larry Smith's swan song.

2007-12-22 14:38:16
74.   oshea2002
Thank you for reminding me of that 73. The only redeeming part of that game was that it was in fact Larry's swan song.

We have always struggled in the lower tier bowl games.

2007-12-22 14:45:18
75.   Bob Timmermann
At least my seats were covered for the USC-Fresno State game.
2007-12-22 15:01:51
76.   D4P
UNC had 17 different players get PT in today's game. That seems like a lot.
2007-12-22 15:07:33
77.   Bob Timmermann
I'm surprised UNC suits up 17 players for any game.
2007-12-22 15:10:37
78.   FiftyYearDodgerFan

Is CSUSB anywhere near UCSB?

2007-12-22 15:14:27
79.   Bluebleeder87
I guess I'm the last to here about Alexei Ramirez being signed by the ChiSox, so I guess that means were stuck with Pierre for at least one more year (ugh!) so a platoon of Ethier & Kemp it shell be, oh well. Man, Ned really dropped the ball in signing Pierre, I REALLY FEEL WE'D BE A MUCH BETTER TEAM WITH OUT HIM.
2007-12-22 15:15:06
80.   D4P
Me too. Maybe they pulled some dudes outta the stands or something.
2007-12-22 15:16:54
81.   D4P
UNC has 17 players on their roster, not one of which is taller than 6'9".
2007-12-22 15:16:56
82.   Benjamin Miracord
In keeping with the anniversary/birthday theme, Steve Garvey is 59 today. Syndicated astrologer Jeraldine Saunders reports that Garvey's uniform No. 6 has been retired by the Dodgers, though I suspect that may come as news to Garvey, the Dodgers, the Hall of Fame, and Joe Torre.

2007-12-22 15:18:59
83.   Bluebleeder87
For boxing slash mixed martial arts fans Mayweather is considering [ ]
2007-12-22 15:19:10
84.   Bob Timmermann
And Brent Mayne and Tony Abreu.
2007-12-22 15:23:36
85.   Bob Timmermann
The NCAA doesn't keep a record for most players in a game, but in 1953 Arizona played Northern Arizona in a game that had a total of 84 personal fouls called.

And it did not set the record for most players fouled out.

There have been two games where 12 players have fouled out. The single team record is 8.

2007-12-22 15:31:03
86.   Benjamin Miracord
84 Did Abreu give up his number to Torre? Abreu is still listed as 6 on the 40-Man Roster. And Torre wore 6 at his press conference. Can managers and players share the same number?
2007-12-22 15:38:04
87.   Bob Timmermann
If Joe Torre has to ask Tony Abreu to wear a particular number, then Mr. Abreu should start posting a resume on
2007-12-22 15:39:55
88.   Bluebleeder87

I've never seen it happen.

2007-12-22 16:09:30
89.   D4P
Can managers and players share the same number?

I don't see why not. Manager numbers are even more irrelevant than player numbers.

2007-12-22 16:09:57
90.   Gen3Blue
Weren't Barbers originally the main people who gave people a good bleeding for their health. And Torre, Abreu, and Garvey involved with #6, as Pierre appears sure to be here. There is something good here, but I'm about as apt as finding a pun as Jack Aubrey, unfortunately.
2007-12-22 16:38:08
91.   Bob Timmermann
In football, a sport where the numbers players wear is tightly regulated (and for a good reason), you can have multiple players with the same number (in college football) as long as there aren't two guys with the same number on the field at the same time.

In baseball, numbers probably aren't regulated by anything except custom. So there won't be two guys wearing 6 on the Dodgers for the reason of: "That's just the way it's been done."

2007-12-22 16:55:36
92.   D4P
Is there any non-childlike reason for baseball managers to wear numbers? Or uniforms, for that matter?
2007-12-22 17:02:29
93.   Bob Timmermann
Baseball managers have to wear uniforms to be on the field. The baseball rule book requires that.

In turn, MLB has its own policies regarding what managers and coaches have to wear.

3.15 No person shall be allowed on the playing field during a game except players and
coaches in uniform, managers, news photographers authorized by the home team, umpires,
officers of the law in uniform and watchmen or other employees of the home club.

2007-12-22 17:05:42
94.   Bob Timmermann
(a) (1) All players on a team shall wear uniforms identical in color, trim and style, and
all players uniforms shall include minimal six-inch numbers on their backs.
2007-12-22 17:09:51
95.   D4P
93 seems to suggest that players and coaches have to wear uniforms, but not managers.
2007-12-22 17:13:47
96.   Bob Timmermann
The last managers not to wear uniforms both managed in 1950: Connie Mack of the A's and Burt Shotton of the Dodgers.

I don't believe Mack ever wore a uniform as a manager except for his three years as a player manager in the 19th Century.

Shotton stopped wearing a uniform when Branch Rickey brought him in to fill in for Leo Durocher in 1947. From what I've read, Shotton thought he was too old to wear a uniform and just wore a dress shirt and a Dodgers cap.

In each case, both men had to send out uniformed coaches to talk to pitchers, argue with umpires, and what not.

2007-12-22 17:23:03
97.   Bob Timmermann
Are you looking for a test case to challenge the interpretation of the rule?

MLB has issued new guidelines for managers to wear uniforms and they are required to wear the same uniform top as all the other players now. They can wear a jacket over it, but they are not allowed to wear the batting practice pullovers in 2008.

2007-12-22 17:24:37
98.   D4P
they are required to wear the same uniform top as all the other players now

So, they don't have to wear the pants or the stirrup socks?

2007-12-22 17:26:04
99.   Bob Timmermann
I think they want the pants to match, but who wears stirrups anymore?
2007-12-22 17:32:53
100.   D4P
who wears stirrups anymore?

Hee-Seop Choi!
Hee-Seop Choi!
Hee-Seop Choi!

Or did he just pull up his pants really high...?

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2007-12-22 17:34:29
101.   Bob Timmermann
Jose Cruz, Jr. was the last Dodger player to wear his stirrups correctly.
2007-12-22 17:36:21
102.   D4P
Let that be a warning to all current and future Dodger players.
2007-12-22 17:36:41
103.   Bob Timmermann
High pants.

2007-12-22 18:14:23
104.   Gen3Blue
High stool, shortness of pants, and delayed borga-rigmus---- these are the simptoms of farmers lung!!
2007-12-22 18:30:58
105.   Bob Timmermann
If Nate is around, I have Kuroda's more detailed ground ball stats for him. Where should I email it to?
2007-12-22 18:44:44
106.   Sam DC
Maybe you could have LAT wrap em up and put them under Nate's tree?
2007-12-22 18:49:05
107.   natepurcell
2007-12-22 19:25:22
108.   Gagne55
I once announced a high school JV game in which two players from the other school wore number thirteen. They batted back to back in the lineup too.
2007-12-22 19:59:43
109.   overkill94
107 I thought for sure it was going to be
2007-12-22 20:01:32
110.   overkill94
78 Well, they're both in California, but UCSB is in Santa Barbara and CSUSB is in San Bernardino
2007-12-22 20:32:03
111.   Marty
If LAT is around, Larry email me at

I have a question for you.

2007-12-22 20:32:12
112.   fanerman
Aww. UCLA lost.
2007-12-22 20:34:39
113.   Bluebleeder87

It seems kind of silly (to me) that managers have to wear a number to be on the field, I'm all for uniforms on skippers but if MLB/ The Commissars office wok up one day & said, you know what the hell with #'s on managers uni's I'd be all for it.

2007-12-22 20:36:53
114.   overkill94
God blocked that kick
2007-12-22 20:37:57
115.   Bluebleeder87

oh man, that's to funny LOL!!

2007-12-22 20:43:25
116.   Gagne55
110 Actually, UCSB is in Goleta.
2007-12-22 20:45:17
117.   overkill94
116 Next thing you'll tell me the Los Angeles Angels aren't actually in Los Angeles!
2007-12-22 20:47:58
118.   Bluebleeder87
I went thrue the thread just now to verify that nobody posted this tid bit from The Times, but it looks like the Orioles will be the new tenants in Vero Beach [ ]
2007-12-22 20:52:39
119.   Vishal
wow, that's a pretty lousy way to lose a game, UCLA. i was pulling for you guys.
2007-12-22 20:54:05
120.   Eric Stephen
That swing looks like it was a HR from the 3-HR game against Minnesota!

That was part of a weird downward spiral stretch by the Dodgers in 2005 (swept by KC), in which they had at one point ten straight runs (over a series of games) on solo homers.

2007-12-22 20:59:40
121.   Bluebleeder87

my Sandy Koufax league coach would have hated that swing (Choi) he use to tell us we finished off so poorly just by him touching us we would have fallen down.

2007-12-22 21:09:33
122.   Bluebleeder87

I remember vividly that Choi almost hit one out of Dodger Stadium but I can't remember if it was during his little home run tear or if it was just a random monster blast.

2007-12-22 21:15:52
123.   Eric Stephen
Sadly, Choi only hit 9 HR in his career at Dodger Stadium, all in 2005. And all of them were in a two month stretch from April 13 to June 12 (June 12 was the date of the 3-HR game I believe was referenced in 103 ).

During all 6 games in which Choi homered, he started at 1B and batted 2nd.

2007-12-22 21:19:54
124.   Bob Timmermann
All this talk of not having the manager wear a number all sounds very And that's about the worst insult I can hand out without violating any of the rules on the side.

When professional baseball began, the managers were more like executives. They didn't make a lot of on-field decisions. These were left to the team captain to do. He was on the field and would argue with the umpire and make substitutions (as much as they were allowed back in the day).

Eventually, teams hired other guys to do all the other stuff (get hotels, reserve trains, collect money at the gate) and the manager got down to the business of managing the game. However, most 19th century teams still used player-managers. One of the most notable exceptions was the Brooklyn team (forerunner of our Dodgers) in the AA (1889) and then NL (1890) managed by Bill McGunnigle. McGunnigle wore street clothes, but he was a fulltime manager on the field. And he led Brooklyn to two straight pennants in two leagues. And lost his job in 1891.

However, baseball didn't want people in street clothes coming out on the field to talk to umpires. It didn't look right. And since these were still times when fans stood on the field a lot of the time, it was probably a good idea to keep up that separation.

Eventually, baseball decided (either formally or informally) to require all the managers and coaches to wear uniforms if they were on the field.

But why do the uniforms for managers and coaches have numbers? Who cares? Well, one thing to remember about uniforms is that they are UNIFORM. They are supposed to look alike.

So if you have a manager who wears a blank uniform, it doesn't match the rest of the uniforms. So what's the point of having a uniform then. Why not just have the manager wear a smart suit from Brooks Brother and have him come out with the opening lineup pulled out of an attache case?

Just because Tommy Lasorda's uniform didn't exactly flatter him doesn't mean that all managers look bad in uniforms.

Joe Torre has kept himself in pretty good shape for a man in his 60s.

Here's Sparky Anderson in 1984, with stirrups in place:

Stengel and Alston from presumably 1955:

2007-12-22 21:22:10
125.   Bob Timmermann
The Alston-Stengel photo is from 1956.
2007-12-22 21:39:47
126.   Daniel Zappala
Bob, you're a real dyed-in-the-wool baseball fan, aren't you? Is that Brooks Brothers wool?
2007-12-22 21:58:02
127.   Bluebleeder87
However, baseball didn't want people in street clothes coming out on the field to talk to umpires.

Just imagining that is pretty crazy. in my opinion you can tell players, coaches, trainers or managers by there mannerisms but that's just ones opinion.

2007-12-22 22:02:21
128.   Bob Timmermann
So what are the non-baseball uniform options?

Should the manager and coaching staff dress like an NFL coaching staff? Should Joe Torre dress in a Dodger hoodie?

2007-12-22 22:09:49
129.   Bluebleeder87
no, I'm saying were a uni but with out a #. It's a matter of opinion I guess...
2007-12-22 22:12:32
130.   Bob Timmermann
A uniform without a number is not a uniform.
2007-12-22 22:25:27
131.   berkowit28
116 Actually, UCSB is in Santa Barbara (city). Get hold of a large-scale map that shows city boundaries. You'll see a very narrow band stretching an arc through the ocean from Santa Barbara "proper" to join up and expand at UCSB. UCSB has its own zip code, 93106, which has always been City of Santa Barbara, even before Goleta got incorporated as a city in 2002. Geographically it "should" be Goleta, but isn't and won't be. It must have something to do with property taxes, and dates from at least the beginning of UCSB in the 1950s.
2007-12-22 22:35:02
132.   Andrew Shimmin
Bob's wool is all bespoke from Ozwald Boateng. He wouldn't wipe his nose with Brooks Brothers wool.
2007-12-22 22:40:30
133.   underdog
131 Exactly right. And Isla Vista is an unincorporated part of SB. Even if it's a number of miles away from the city proper. And that's where I shall be tomorrow for a week. A week without sports for the most part, if my mom and stepdads usual tastes and habits are an indication.

Merry holidays, all!

2007-12-22 23:10:59
134.   Jason in Canada
I would only permit Joe Torre to wear a hoodie only if it brought us 3 championships without making illegal videos of opposing teams defensive alignments.
2007-12-22 23:19:14
135.   Eric Enders
"Well, one thing to remember about uniforms is that they are UNIFORM. They are supposed to look alike. So if you have a manager who wears a blank uniform, it doesn't match the rest of the uniforms."

Which is why everybody should wear the same number. Because we're not truly uniform until that happens. And all players must share the same surname, too.

Also, I would like a ruling on trainers. If a trainer can go onto the field and visit a pitcher on the mound without changing into a uniform jersey and silly pants, why can't a manager?

2007-12-22 23:22:20
136.   Eric Enders
Photo of the last manager to wear street clothes in the dugout:
2007-12-22 23:32:24
137.   Bob Timmermann
Just a bunch of Slate.comers, I tell ya.
2007-12-22 23:44:57
138.   Andrew Shimmin
More like Slate.commies.
2007-12-23 00:23:51
139.   Xeifrank
If the Dodger players had Brazilian soccer player type names, our starting lineup would look something like this...

RF-Kinho Santos

Garciapparinho (Nomar)
Julido (Juan Pierre)
Yoiano (Delwyn Young)


Rildo (R.Seanez)

Top Minor League Prospect
Claytaldo Peres

Manager: Joinhosa
GM: Collettosa
Owner: McCoinhosa
Cheerleader: Lasordundo

These might be good names to use for our players. The link for the automatic conversion to Brazilian soccer names is.

Try entering your own name.

vr, Xei

2007-12-23 00:26:24
140.   Bob Timmermann
Here's Paul Lukas's investigation into why managers wear uniforms.

2007-12-23 00:56:30
141.   trainwreck

Thanks to all the UCLA seniors for giving your all through the years.


2007-12-23 05:09:25
142.   LAT
111. Marty, check your inbox.
2007-12-23 06:59:38
143.   D4P
So what's the point of having a uniform then. Why not just have the manager wear a smart suit from Brooks Brother and have him come out with the opening lineup pulled out of an attache case?

Actually, I had Mens Warehouse in mind.

You're gonna like how they look: I guarantee it.

2007-12-23 07:22:44
144.   Jon Weisman
Keep managers in uniforms. If it ain't broke ...

New post up top.

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