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Dodger All-Star catcher Russell Martin indicated Tuesday that he isn't opposed to signing a longterm contract with the Dodgers now, according to published reports, but only if the initial offer from the team is "legitimate."
Last month, we learned that Martin's agent, Bob Garber, declined to negotiate with the Dodgers this offseason. Martin essentially corroborated that, though his implication is that it was because Garber immediately sensed the Dodgers' offer would be unsatisfactory.
"It's kind of a touchy thing," Martin told Diamond Leung of the Press-Enterprise. "I told (Garber) if it wasn't going to be a good offer not to even bother, so that's the conversation that they had."
To Dylan Hernandez of the Times, Martin added: "It's not up to me and Bob. It's up to the team. If the team wants to offer something legitimate, it'd be idiotic not to look at it."
While the specifics of the conversations Garber and the Dodgers had are vague, each party has now tried to make the case that the burden to move things forward is on the other. There's no ticking clock - Martin can't become a free agent until after the 2012 season - but no one wants to see these talks drag out.
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Look out: According to Hernandez, the freight train known as Matt Kemp is looking better ... stronger ... faster:
Kemp spent most of the winter working out in Arizona, sculpting a frame that he said now weighs around 220 pounds. He was up to 240 at the end of last season.
"I had to shed some pounds so I could move a little bit more," Kemp said. "I feel quicker, I feel way stronger. Last year, I was over in the Dominican playing winter ball and I didn't get to work out as much. I was doing baseball stuff."
Martin's feeling like six million bucks as well.
Martin also spent time working out in Arizona. Though Martin appeared broader-shouldered on Tuesday than he did in the fall, he said he lost weight, something he credited to reducing his body fat percentage from close to 10% to 9%.
"I feel more explosive," Martin said.
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A retired lawyer has been researching the mostly untold story of Babe Ruth's mother for more than a decade. Here's the story, from Rick Maese of the Baltimore Sun. Since Scott Templeton didn't write it, it's probably reliable. (Link via Baseball Think Factory)
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Travel editor Gary A. Warner of the Register describes his final journey to Dodgertown in Vero Beach - including the difficulties for West Coast fans to make the trip, but also the memories that will be left behind.
I hope some of those 90K tickets were sold to Dodger fans. I have a bad feeling that Red Sox Bandwagon is going to make its presence felt in a big way for that game. The Coliseum is gonna resemble a very large Fenway Park (complete with a ridiculous wall in left field).
dan asked which player is he looking forward to seeing the most? he first answered matt kemp and than continued to talk about james loney and russ martin
2 What Sanchez deal?
Dusty. Baker.
Homer Bailey will probably throw 120 pitches at least twice this year.
The Pirates problem is doing exactly what you mention, pretending to be commited to winning by acquiring mediocre talent or players people have heard of while completely neglecting their farm system.
I think their horrible defense and uninspiring bullpen will be their undoing, but I'd throw money down on them if their still at something like 75-1 to win the World Series.
Definitely not a Pirates fan, but looking at the moves under previous management (the Matt Morris move was baffling, frustrating, and stupid) I think their fans are killing them not for their efforts but for their lack of a coherent plan and execution of that plan. Hopefully things will change under the new GM and President.
Like you, though, I don't see too much wrong with the Sanchez signing. I may not have done it the same way, but they have to show some kind of commitment today in order to get guys like Gorzellany and Snell on board with want to stay with the Pirates long term and attracting decent FAs in the future.
with want to stay
with wanting to stay...
He, Ed Wade, and Malone are my ultimate nightmare as a Dodger fan. I would take Ned thousands of times over rather than those guys.
vr, Xei
Littlefield. The jury is still out in my mind on Huntington.
Martin is locked up until 2012. Last year was his first full season in the bigs, so he's got five more with the Dodgers.
I think they could have gotten quite a bit for LaRoche and maybe Sanchez, but they would have been selling low on Bay, though San Diego seemed to like him a lot, but they have very little in the way of high ceiling minor league talent to trade.
They are a mess and it seems that they will be a mess for at least 3 more years. When Matt Morris takes up 25% of your payroll and you consciously chose to make that move, you have issues.
I wonder if Littlefield thought this was the NBA where an expiring contract on a bad player is actually worth something...
What if he gets hurt/Suddenly drops off a cliff can be used as an argument against any move. If the guy doesn't have any warning signs for either of those two things, it's a silly thing to worry about.
True, but I would make the case that catchers who can really hit tend to be a rare lot, so Martin may be worth the risk through his age 28 season.
Kendall's OPS+ was 110 through his age 29 season (and that included two absolutely awful years he had at age 27 and 28). He would not have been a bad investment on a long term deal through age 29. It was only after he turned 30 and became a FA did he decide to no longer hit.
I don't think there is a rush necessarily, but deals like Martin's would look very good in the long run in a similar way that Penny's deal and Carl Crawford's deal look like absolute steals right now.
For a guy like Russ who you are looking at as the future de facto captain of your team, contract stability is worth the risk. At least in my mind.
On Kemp: Raw talent, biggest potential resource
On Loney: Has heard great things about his play at 1st
On Martin: Jeter-like leadership ability
Just a guess.
I got section 20 row 91, ouch, and section 17 row 80.
What was the A's strategy back then and why does it not work today?
vr, Xei
It doesn't work anymore since you can't guys that on base .380 for the league minimum.
Cheers!
So, which is the problem:
1. big fat lumbering guys who can on base .380 for the league minimum, nuts to defense
or
2. the cost of said big fat lumbering guys
There's no way you'd be able to get John Jaha for less than a million these days.
Sizemore's contract was signed two years ago, after one full season. His arbitration years are as follows:
1st yr (2008) - $3m
2nd yr (2009) - $4.6m
3rd yr (2010) - $5.6m
Through 2007, Sizemore has hit .283/.369/.488, 124 OPS+, as a CF
Matt Holliday, through his 3rd season (2006), hit .310/.368/.533, 121 OPS+, as a RF.
Holliday earned $4.4m in his first arb year (2007), and of course cashed in a monster 2007 with a 2/$23 contract to finish out his arb years.
Being conservative, let's give Sizemore the following if he went through the arbitration process:
2008 - $4.4m (same as Holliday)
2009 - $6.4m ($3.1m less than Holliday)
2010 - $8.4m ($5.1m less than Holliday)
This new projection would cost the Indians $19.2m, a cool $6m more than they are paying Sizemore in total over the next 3 years.
Martin's case is a bit different since he will have 4 years of arbitration eligibility, but the Dodgers will save money even if they don't buy out any free agency years? Obviously, the more of those they can buyout the better.
Beimel will be a free agent after 2008, his 3rd year of arbitration eligibility.
Arbitration works like this: each side submits a salary figure, then argues their case in front of a arbitration panel. The panel then chooses which salary to award the player -- they pick one or the other, no in between or anything.
I was being conservative to show that the Indians saved a ton of money anyway.
I can't remember a case where a player has won in arbitration and the team did not sign the player. In fact, I think that if things get that far, the team has to sign the player because the ruling is binding.
Todd Walker signed with the Padres for something like $3.9 million through arbitration last season. Then he was cut in spring training and the Padres were only on the hook for a quarter of that salary.
However, Walker filed a grievance but I'm not sure how that turned out.
Martin's case is especially interesting because it will provide a lens through which we can view future signings. Kemp, Loney, Bills, Brox, and Ethier all will be arb eligible by the end of '09. The Dodgers would do well to try and adopt the Rockies/Indians way of doing things since it would cost the well in excess of $70 million annually to get the kind of production they will get from these guys if they went the FA route.
now when you say martin is locked up until 2012 that means if no long term deal is reached the dodgers and martin will be going through arbitration every year until 2012 or until a long term deal is reached?
speaking of the Dodgers and disastrous ticket planning, anyone else here unhappy about the Opening Day situation? if i understand correctly, it's a lottery via email, and if you win you only get 2 tickets? so, that virtually guarantees that I won't be able to sit next to my 5 or 6 friends that religiously take the day off to enjoy the National Holiday known as Opening Day together? It also causes the fiasco that whoever gets the ticket has to choose only one person. Not impressed, los doyars.
I actually thought of Walker, but I couldn't remember if he got that through FA or through an arbitrator.
Arbitration is one year at a time.
A player becomes a free agent after 6 full seasons of service time.
Players with 3 years of service time or arbitration eligible. Also, the top 17% (in service time) of players with more than 2 but less than 3 years are arb eligible as well.
Martin will be a "super two" (the top 17% with less than 3 years) starting next season...that's why he will have 4 years of arbitration eligibility.
According to Baseball Reference, Walker made $450,000 last year, but that may or may not include anything from the Padres.
The A's finished 3rd in the AL in runs scored per game. Last in stolen bases. 2nd in OPS+.
They finished 3rd in the AL in runs allowed per game.
How detrimental was the "bad defense" if they finish 3rd in the league in runs allowed? If its because the pitching was dominant--then doesnt that just reinforce the point that great pitching can make up for "bad defense"?
Seems the A's not only outscored people with the bats, but out pitched them. Nuts to defense.
I disagree with the notion that the 2000 A's model doesnt work anymore. Of course it does, since they were the one of the first teams to realize how important OPS is. Accumulate high OPS/great pitching, and you'll win. Since most of the other teams have caught on, there is no longer that advantage.
I dont really believe there is any inefficiency in the market that will allow small market teams to win, since most GMs know how to create/prevent runs, and the pricing of talent has been corrected to fit that (Juan Pierre not withstanding).
The Pirates have no shot. But if they trying to build around high OPS, and good pitching--nuts to defense--at least its a winning model.
Digging deeper, here is what MLB4U has on their site:
"signed deal for 2007 season worth $3.95M via arbitration on 2/21/07- + was RELEASED on 3/27/07, receiving $971,311 in termination pay- + signed minor-league deal for 2007 season on 3/30/07- + contract was PURCHASED on 4/1/07, giving him a $380K salary-"
Here's more on the Walker release by the Padres:
http://tinyurl.com/2tnbph
http://mlbfleecefactor.com/2008/02/06/dodgers-rumors-kemp-martin-saito/
Denying someone the right to win six tickets in a lottery for Opening Day is hardly a "fiasco."
Victor Martinez (signed in 2005 with 1 yr, 114 days service time):
$1m signing bonus
2nd yr - $500k
3rd yr - $800k
arb yr 1 - $3m
arb yr 2 - $4.25m
arb yr 3 - $5.7m
FA yr 1 - $7m option ($250k buyout)
Total contract - 5 yrs, $15.5m
Brian McCann (signed in 2007 with 1 yr, 117 days service time):
$1m signing bonus
2nd yr - $500k
3rd yr - $800k
arb yr 1 - $3.5m
arb yr 2 - $5.5m
arb yr 3 - $6.5m
FA yr 1 - $8.5m
FA yr 2 - $12m option ($500k buyout)
Total contract - 6 yrs, $26.8m
Joe Mauer (signed in 2007 with 3 yrs service time - not an exact comp):
arb yr 1 - $3.75m
arb yr 2 - $6.25m
arb yr 3 - $10.5m
FA yr 1 - $12.5m
Total contract - 4 yrs, $33m
Yadier Molina (signed in 2008 with 3 yrs, 123 days service time):
$250k signing bonus
arb yr 1 - $1.75m
arb yr 2 - $3.25m
arb yr 3 - $4.25m
FA yr 1 - $5.25m
FA yr 2 - $7m option ($750k buyout; option increases to $7.5m if traded)
Total contract - 4 yrs, $15.25m
I can see Martin getting a Mauer type contract for his 4 years of arbitration. Add in about $1.5m for the signing bonus and 2008, plus $14m for 1 FA year, and the deal is at 6/$48.5.
Add that to the fact that Saito set a record for money given to a second year player on a non-multi year deal (so this would exclude the Dice-Ks and Fukudomes of the world). The closest anyone ever came to that kind of money was Ryan Howard last year accepting a 1-year $900,000 contract.
Unless I'm mistaken, Saito couldn't pitch in Japan because he's not a free agent. In fact, the Dodgers have the right to renew his contract whether he likes it or not. So his two choices are either pitch for the Dodgers or don't play baseball.
You guys don't look too bad so far (currently the 12th rated class on Rivals.com just three spots behind my beloved LSU Tigers).
You had a top-5 class until some defections occurred (Florida has lost 5 guys so far today, so don't feel too bad). The one guy that can make your class is Milton Knox (4-star RB). Notre Dame is trying hard to lure him as we speak, but his announcement will not come until 6PM tonight. Not sure if that is Eastern or Pacific time.
All in all, this is the best class you guys have had in at least 5 years.
as an example, if i wanted to take my father and son (should i have one, which i don't) to Opening Day, then I'd have to buy a ticket package to ensure that would happen, or go through a ticket broker, to have a chance of that happening. just seems a bit harsh to me. X-frank does hit the nail on the head that someone will always be unhappy in a capitalist situation.
Is there really a clear cut favorite among these teams in the West?:
Lakers
Suns
Spurs
Mavs
Hornets
Jazz
You could make a legit case for any of those six teams making the finals (maybe not the Hornets, but they've been playing so well they stay on the list).
The sooner the Dodgers tie up Martin, they will save money regardless of whether or not they sign him through any possibly free agency years.
Also, I'm not worried about losing him to the Yankees, Red Sox, or any other team for financial reasons.
Unfortunately I don't have any practice field info, but I was lucky enough to be there on my 30th birthday, two years ago. I had a conference in Miami, so I flew in a day early and got to the park at about 11:30 for a 1pm game. I walked around the main stadium for a while, and most of the team was warming up on the main field so I just stayed there. In retrospect, I wish I had more time to wander the grounds. But it was a great trip, one I'll never forget.
And I can't wait to go EVERY year to Arizona starting in 2009!
Gasol looks like the absolute perfect fit for the Lakers. The perfect triangle post player. I think this Lakers team will be able to run the Triangle better than any previous incarnation. I'm excited to watch.
it looks to me (and most of us, i think) that the Dodgers are headed in that direction over the next few years. hopefully our offer to him is enough to keep him here when the time comes!
Hamani Stevens who is deciding between Oregon and UCLA, he will announce at his school at noon.
Milton Knox, who will announce on Fox Sports West at 6:00 p.m. PST.
Kevin Craft, the JC QB needs to send his Grant-in-Aid application.
Kottaras hit .241/.316/.408 as a 24 year old in AAA for Pawtucket last year. His future is dim.
I have no idea what the park/league factor for Pawtucket is though.
And the other thing is that several times, it implicitly criticizes Ruth for never visiting his mother's grave or placing a headstone on it. This is a woman he barely knew-- he never lived with her after the age of 7 and she died when he was 17. By most accounts, she wanted nothing in particular to do with him even when he was a young kid. So why blast Babe?
Any suggestions on what to do or what not to miss are appreciated.
It will be a short trip for me. I'll be in Miami early Saturday morning, drive to Port St. Lucie to catch the Dodgers/Mets. Sunday and Monday are games in Vero, and then Melbourne on Tuesday to see Dodgers/Nats. Leaving from Orlando on Tuesday evening and should be touching down by 11pm in Ontario (not Canada).
I wish I had a few more days, but, I'll take what I can get.
126 I actually know nothing of him outside of him being traded for David Wells, just thought Id throw it out in the midst of all the salivation (and rightfully so) over the Yanks and Sox having bad catchers.
vr, $$Xei$$
I am going to try to get a credential for the game, though, and plan to attend assuming we're not having a baby during the first pitch.
New post up top.
vr, Xei
It's charming in the same way that a park bathroom is charming. I think the place is an absolute dump, but to watch a ballgame in the ballpark where the Dodgers spent their first games in LA has some nostalgic value for me.
If I were the Dodgers I would be sure to get both Martin and Billingsley done before the start of next year and Loney and Kemp the year following.
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