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Dodgers To Be in Lasorda's Hands for a Week
2008-02-18 08:30
by Jon Weisman

The funny thing is, if you were going to put Tommy Lasorda back in charge of managing the Dodgers for eight games ... nah, I'm not sure there's anything funny about it.

I know this isn't in the spirit of the occasion - I know he can't really do any damage in a week (can he?) - but please be gentle with our boys' arms, Tommy.

* * *

Meet Russell Martin footsteps-follower Lucas May, courtesy of Tony Jackson of the Daily News.

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How many links does it take to get the Tootsie Roll center of a Tootsie Pop? From Joe Frisaro of via Fish Stripes via Baseball Musings, ex-Dodger Cody Ross underwent a unique procedure to try curing his ailing hamstring.

Comments (144)
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2008-02-18 09:02:48
1.   MollyKnight
The greatest moment in the history of my being a Dodger fan was Gibson's home run in '88. I had just turned seven. The WORST moment in the history of my being a Dodger fan was waking up the morning after the 4 Plus 1 game and learning about the 4 Plus 1. I'd fallen asleep in the middle of the 9th. (Three hour time difference, I curse you). As such, I am in denial of the Four Plus One game ever happening. Although I must say, my good friend Tim who is a diehard Astros fan and a huge baseball fan in general, teared up while watching the highlight montage on sports center because he was so moved by the improbability of the comeback. That, and he's a sensitive soul.
2008-02-18 09:05:07
2.   Brent Knapp
Are all the choo-choo references directed towards valentine's themed Simpsons episodes or the baseball player? Ralph has got to be the most hilarious Simpson's character.
2008-02-18 09:07:53
3.   scareduck
More importantly, he can't execute any trades in that span. Clayton Kershaw fans, rejoice.
2008-02-18 09:12:50
4.   MollyKnight
Gosh. It looks like the Marlins are entering camp with Hendrickson as their third starter...
2008-02-18 09:15:03
5.   Kevin Lewis
Just got through the posts from the weekend. I am with you Molly. The first page of the article seems to be setting Kemp up for the blame of anything that goes wrong this season. I expect Kemp to be a big part of this team, but it is not all up to him, and it is not fair for Plaschke to put that kind of pressure. What about our pitching collapse last year?

I would have to go with the 4+1 game, since I was there.
Oh, with the baby on the way and a possible internship starting, does anyone no of any good part-time work?

2008-02-18 09:38:54
6.   Bob Timmermann
does anyone no of any good part-time work?

Well, I wouldn't suggest proofreading. ;-)

2008-02-18 09:40:51
7.   therickdaddy
I'm happy for Tommy to get back in the saddle for a few games. I can only imagine how fun those would be to attend. You gotta think he's going to jog out to an umpire and argue at some time LOL. Wish I could be there.
2008-02-18 09:42:14
8.   Lexinthedena
Bob...I can always count on you not to let it go....

Kevin, it depends on what are you live in, but I know of some part time work in the Pasadena Unified School District. If you don't mind working with kids.

2008-02-18 09:45:35
9.   Bob Timmermann
Hey, I used a smiley!

But I hope Kevin likes working with kids since he's going for the intensive kid experience.

2008-02-18 09:48:24
10.   Kevin Lewis

Wow! I always laugh when someone else does that. Now I am humbled. Apparently this weekend took more out of me than I realized.

2008-02-18 09:49:22
11.   Kevin Lewis

Bob, next time just bold the word for me. I read through that a few times before I saw the mistake :)

2008-02-18 09:49:58
12.   Bob Timmermann
Kevin, I'm sure with a baby on the way, there will be more sleep-deprived typos on the way.

I have no such excuse when I make them.

2008-02-18 09:50:03
13.   Kevin Lewis

Thanks for the offer, but I will probably be looking at nights and weekends.

2008-02-18 10:01:08
14.   Lexinthedena
13 Dodger Stadium is hiring ticket people:)

If I didn't need full time work(I too have a kid on the way) I would jump at that.

2008-02-18 10:01:35
15.   Lexinthedena
14 It's mostly nights and weekends:)
2008-02-18 10:05:42
16.   scareduck
Speaking of the 4+1 game, since MLB got all the original broadcast clips removed from YouTube, I thought you guys might be tickled with this slightly ersatz version:

2008-02-18 10:20:51
17.   underdog
I'm with Jon in worrying a little about Lasorda managing half the team for a bit of time, hoping he doesn't ruin any of the kids. But on the other hand, it could be fun for old time's sake to see ol' #2 out there again. I wish they'd bring back Jerry Reuss and Jay Johnstone to be in the dugout with him, too.

Btw, bad news, I had to cancel my tryout with the A's this week because I hurt my shoulder while unexpectedly having to play keeper for a half last night. Ah well, what can ya do?

2008-02-18 10:24:12
18.   Eric Stephen
ESPN's bracketologist, Joe Lunardi, has his latest mock NCAA tourney field out, and there are 7 Pac-10 teams in (almost 8):

UCLA - #2 seed (west)
Stanford - #2 (east)
WSU - #5 (south)
Arizona - #7 (midwest)
USC - #8 (east)
ASU - #10 (south)
Oregon - #12 (midwest)

Cal was among Lunardi's last 8 teams out of the tourney. Oregon was among the last 4 in.

2008-02-18 10:37:53
19.   Bob Timmermann
Oregon? In the NCAA tournament? That's going to be tough. The Ducks are going to need a split down in Southern California to have a chance.
2008-02-18 10:44:36
20.   Dodgers49
Billingsley working on ace label

>> "I'm feeling good, healthy and strong," Billingsley said. "I started working out around Thanksgiving at home in Arizona. I wanted to be ready when we go there. <<

2008-02-18 10:45:08
21.   Kevin Lewis
The USC/UCLA game had some ugly shooting last night. I really enjoy Kevin Love's passing more than his shooting. Any time he touches the ball, I get excited for a great pass play.
2008-02-18 10:48:34
22.   MC Safety
Tommy shouldnt do any harm. He just needs to look out for flying bats. Not that he could get out of the way if one were to come flying his way again.
2008-02-18 10:54:05
23.   El Lay Dave
My initial reaction to the Lasorda announcement is negative.

If Spring Training is purportedly serious business where Andy LaRoche is supposed to prove that he merits the full-time 3B over the PVL Nomar Garciaparra, where Andre Ethier is required to significantly outplay Juan Pierre to gain more valuable playing time, and where a plethora of pitchers are competing for one or two remaining spots on the roster, is it appropriate to drag out an 80-year old man to manage ST games as (what I perceive as) a publicity stunt?

Or maybe I'm just getting crotchety in my middle-aged years.

2008-02-18 10:55:49
24.   Kevin Lewis

I'm only 28, and I feel the same way. Maybe it's just cynicism?

2008-02-18 10:57:08
25.   Jon Weisman
23 - That's why I'm having trouble seeing this in what would seem to be the appropriate spirit.
2008-02-18 11:00:25
26.   Dodgers49
Dodgers Take Leave of Another Town

>> But Vero Beach won't have the Dodgers anymore. The 60-year marriage between this city and a baseball team has ended, conjuring feelings of grief, betrayal, déjà vu, and, lately, resignation. Leave already, Vero Beach is saying to the Dodgers, who have heard it before. Ya bums. <<

2008-02-18 11:03:31
27.   Louis in SF

While I think you are correct on some level, the La Roche Nomar issue shouldn't be a problem since Nomar is going to China and will play and La Roche should be playing in Vero. The Juan Pierre Ethier situation is more challenging, but in a sad sense I think it is setteled already, Pierre will start in LF and Ethier will be rotated in-the greater amount of playing time for Andre will come based on the how things are going if JP sucks to start off he will lose some playing time, but will always be the first option....My greater concern is Kuo going to China. I think it would be more beneficial if he stayed in the US

2008-02-18 11:09:05
28.   Bob Timmermann
So if I go to the Marie Callender's that is supposed to go up at the spot of Papadakis Taverna can I go there and break plates?

2008-02-18 11:17:14
29.   Marty
Yeah, Pedro really need a Marie Callendar. That'll bring the neighborhood back.
2008-02-18 11:20:56
30.   Kevin Lewis
I went to high school with Petros and Angel Papadakis. I don't think losing any local restaurant for Marie Calendars can be considered a good thing. Maybe I am just being cynical again.
2008-02-18 11:21:37
31.   Kevin Lewis
Dang spell check, Callendar's
2008-02-18 11:29:17
32.   Bob Timmermann
From an old Rockford Files:

"Hey, Rockfish, I want you to come down to a nice little place in San Pedro."
"Gandy, there's no such thing as a nice little place in San Pedro."

2008-02-18 11:44:48
33.   silverwidow
If not (a starter), then I guess they might have to look at getting rid of me if they don't see me as an asset to the team. I don't know. -- Juan Pierre

Please, please, please ask to be traded!

2008-02-18 11:51:07
34.   Aug C
Hi everybody,
sorry to repeat this message, but I'm starting a fantasy baseball league for fellow readers of Dodger Thoughts. So far we have 4 participants. Please e-mail me at if you are interested.
2008-02-18 11:55:06
35.   Dark Horse

Anybody catch this, from Diamond's blog as well:

Yo, Joe: Juan Pierre spoke to Torre this offseason, and was told, "Obviously I can't make any promises. The people who are going to be in the lineup are going to be the ones you have the best shot with."


2008-02-18 11:57:59
36.   underdog
Aug, I'd join but I did bad enough in the DT fantasy football league. And don't have much time. Plus someone else would draft Martin and Loney first and I'd cry. But good luck and have fun.

Speaking of crying, Slappy McPopup sounds like he's on the verge. Boo hoo, I make 44 million dollars to play a game. Okay, seriously though, haven't we already determined there's no team left that could be a fit for him? I don't see how a trade could work but if Ned makes it happen he's forever in my good graces.

2008-02-18 11:58:59
37.   Terry A
33 -- I can't believe you didn't quote Pierre's best line in that blog entry:

"I'm not going to walk around here salty."

2008-02-18 11:59:55
38.   underdog
To be fair, here's the rest of what Pierre said as quoted on Diamond Leung's blog:
>>I'm no dummy. This guy's (Andruw Jones) won Gold Gloves. I have no choice but to move and do the best job I can wherever I'm at.

Some people value my game. Some people don't. Some people in LA like it. Some people don't. I know my game is not pretty. I'm not the guy all over SportsCenter.

I'm not going to walk around here salty.

I know I have to get on base a lot more. I had a disappointing season, and I take full responsibility. I have to improve offensively and defensively.

If not (a starter), then I guess they might have to look at getting rid of me if they don't see me as an asset to the team. I don't know.

It is what it is. I'm just trying to put it behind me, get past it and help the team win. And I'm all for winning.<<

2008-02-18 12:00:23
39.   underdog
37 Yeah I was tempted to boldface that in 38 .
2008-02-18 12:00:56
40.   Terry A
Does it mean Pierre's not going to "walk salt(il)y" around the clubhouse? I don't know what that means.

Or did Diamond miss a comma? "I'm not going to walk around here, Salty." Which I take to mean that Pierre doesn't take walks, which we all know is true.

2008-02-18 12:07:19
41.   delias man
30 I lived there 27 of my 28 years. Did I miss anything by never eating there?
2008-02-18 12:09:51
42.   Dark Horse
38-I admit, Pierre's quote in full is tough to quibble with. As has been pointed out before, if he did "get on base a lot more," he'd be a valuable guy.
2008-02-18 12:18:40
43.   Marty
Obviously, it's a throwback from his Marlin days.
2008-02-18 12:22:12
44.   Kevin Lewis

It's decent, but it is more about the atmosphere.

2008-02-18 12:23:47
45.   Icaros
Interesting that Pierre would cop to a "disappointing season" when Colletti has said all along that Pierre put up exactly the numbers he expected him to.
2008-02-18 12:33:26
46.   old dodger fan
45 Pierre 06 vs 07
BA was up .001; OBP was up .001; SB's were up from 58 to 64 and CS were down from 20 to 15. XBH were down from 48 to 32 but I don't think Ned (or JP) evaluated him based on XBH's. His SLG Avg was 49th among the top 50 NL OFers in AB's (Nook Logan, who we just signed was 50th).
What metric to you think caused him to say he had a disappointing season?
2008-02-18 12:39:32
47.   cargill06
any idea who's pitching next thursday?
2008-02-18 12:41:31
48.   Icaros
What metric to you think caused him to say he had a disappointing season?

That's what I'm wondering. The whole Pierre debate has always centered around the value of OBP. Old-schoolers like Ned don't pay attention to it. It seemed like Pierre didn't either.

2008-02-18 12:42:42
49.   MollyKnight
Did you guys see this?

Kyle Kendrick getting tricked into thinking he's been traded to Japan. Everyone from Charlie Manuel to the beat writers were in on the joke:

2008-02-18 12:46:12
50.   jasonungar07
What metric to you think caused him to say he had a disappointing season?

Andruw Jones.

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2008-02-18 12:52:52
51.   Brent Knapp
30 What year did you graduate Kevin? I'm a 2001 grad from Peninsula.
2008-02-18 12:59:28
52.   underdog
49 Yah, people were commenting on that in the previous thread. Personally, I'm all in favor of a good practical joke if well-thought out and funny. This one actually seemed kind of cruel to me, even if undeniably elaborate. As noted, Kendrick could have easily debunked the scheme had he checked into it at all, so it's sort of on him, too. But it didn't seem that hilarious to me.
2008-02-18 13:04:25
53.   berkowit28
49 I guess it might take something like that to really appreciate Philadelphia...
2008-02-18 13:10:36
54.   jasonungar07

"I only can control what I do," said Pierre, who signed a five-year, $44 million contract with the Dodgers before last season. "I've got to get better offensively and defensively. If I'm healthy, I want to be out there for 162 (games)."

Pierre has played in 162 for five straight years. He enters this season having played in 434 consecutive games, the longest active streak in the big leagues. He actually has appeared in 821 straight dating back to 2002, but his appearance as a pinch runner on June 3, 2005 snapped his "games played" streak, according the major league rule book.

"It's not important," he said of the streak. "It's been a blessing I've stayed healthy this long. You sign a contract for 162. I like to think it's honoring the contract. I want to be out there every day."

Pierre acknowledged there was an element of hurt feelings when Jones signed.

"The Dodgers got finally got a center fielder," he said, assuming that was the attitude in some circles. "That kind of hurt a little bit."

2008-02-18 13:14:04
55.   El Lay Dave
Eric Stephan linked Diamond Leung's Tommy story in the last thread ( From that:

"This is the dressing on top of the cake," Lasorda said Sunday.

Dressing? Is that akin to gravy?

2008-02-18 13:17:00
56.   underdog
55 - Lasorda's turning into Casey Stengel.

"All right, everyone line up alphabetically according to your height."

2008-02-18 13:17:09
57.   natepurcell

Aw Juan, its nothing against you personally.

I feel bad for hating him on my team now.

2008-02-18 13:18:16
58.   Terry A
55 - C'mon, Dave. Don't be walking salty around here.
2008-02-18 13:24:53
59.   underdog
Pierre's quote just makes me want a pretzel.
2008-02-18 13:25:04
60.   delias man
I did not realize that Bedard will be 29 on Opening Day. I am glad they did not make that move even more.
2008-02-18 13:25:07
61.   jasonungar07
I'd be pissed if I was Pierre and I would demand a trade.
2008-02-18 13:35:43
62.   Lexinthedena
Is there any team left that would have a use for Pierre?

ChiSox?- Only if they trade away Konerko
Baltimore?- They filled out their outfield
Minnesota- They wouldn't block Gomez for 4 more years
St. Louis- Don't they have a stud CF prospect?
Texas- Hamilton trade

These were the teams I thought may have been suitors

Who else? Who?

2008-02-18 13:38:29
63.   jasonungar07

2008-02-18 13:49:05
64.   underdog
63 Not with Pierre's contract and Jay Bruce coming of age. Lofton is probably more interesting to them 'cause they can sign him for a year. So, wishful thinking, methinks.
2008-02-18 13:58:35
65.   Izzy
The Dodgers must have a good bench coach in mind, because Tommy was semi-incoherent last year at spring training. He couldn't even stay awake at the games and had to be caught when he started to fall over while leaning against the backstop. I hope he doesn't hurt himself, but it will be fun to see him at it again. I think.
2008-02-18 14:04:33
66.   Bob Timmermann
RIP, Kon Ichikawa
2008-02-18 14:10:35
67.   underdog
66 More:

Another great one departs us...

2008-02-18 14:11:48
68.   Kevin Lewis

The whole time I watched the "prank" I kept thinking, "this is just wrong". I do wonder how they were able to tape the whole thing without him being suspicious. And it does look like he is trying not to laugh at the mock press conference. If he truly had no idea, than that is a pretty messed up prank. I can only imagine the planning he is doing in his head to move to Japan.

2008-02-18 14:15:12
69.   overkill94
68 That's what makes it a great prank. It's not like they told him his mother died or something, but it was messed up enough that they really got a reaction out of him.

They were able to get away with it because they claimed they were doing a day in the life of a manager with Charlie Manuel.

2008-02-18 14:20:17
70.   regfairfield
They gave him enough clues that he could have figured it out. It's a great prank.
2008-02-18 14:26:15
71.   Kevin Lewis
69 70

Fair enough. I did think his face in the office was priceless. I wonder what was going through his mind. He did not look happy

2008-02-18 14:29:38
72.   Icaros
They told him he was traded for the hotdog champion. He should have had a clue.
2008-02-18 14:30:09
73.   El Lay Dave
Kirk Gibson would probably offer a different opinion.
2008-02-18 14:41:35
74.   El Lay Dave
Diamond Leung's latest blog entry:

Colletti on Pierre

He knows I like him.
I think he's a strong asset for the team.
The criticism from a year ago was wrong.
He's a championship-type player.

(Normally, I wouldn't copy-and-paste the whole thing, but what could I leave out?)

On that third sentence, I'd sure like to hear the explanation behind that stance and how that fits in with the action taken - signing Andruw Jones.

2008-02-18 14:45:32
75.   silverwidow
74 Ethier's toast, sad to say.
2008-02-18 14:48:03
76.   trainwreck
We should have kept Luis Gonzalez around. He's a championship-type player.
2008-02-18 14:48:23
77.   underdog
I don't want to insult anyone who may be from there, and with apologies to WC Fields, I'd rather be in Japan than Philadelphia.
2008-02-18 14:53:50
78.   Lexinthedena
I'm hoping that it's just Ned trying to talk-up Pierre's value....yeah...that's the ticket!
2008-02-18 14:58:17
79.   trainwreck
The criticism was not wrong, because most of it was aimed at you, Ned.
2008-02-18 14:58:40
80.   PalmdaleSteve1

At last, the first sign of the baseball season about to begin for the Dodgers, a negative Juan Pierre story/comment.

Spring has sprung 

2008-02-18 15:00:34
81.   underdog
I feel as if Juan Pierre is like the weather at this point. Everyone's talking about it but no one's able to do anything about it. My philosophy is to wait til the season gets in full swing before getting a) a better sense of how or where he'll fit in, if at all; b) incensed, if necessary. I don't completely trust Colletti but I do trust Torre to do as he says, play the people who will help you win. If Pierre starts sulking and demands a trade, well, then, fine by me. 'til then, though, I'm trying not to get too worked up over anything Slappy-related.
2008-02-18 15:01:04
82.   El Lay Dave
Gurnick's take on JP:
Juan Pierre won't be happy if he's moved to the bench, but he's on board with moving to left field after the signing of Gold Glove center fielder Andruw Jones.

Gurnick also adds a little info on Pierre's limited no-trade clause:
Pierre has a partial no-trade clause he said allows him to list five off-limits clubs

...and he clarifies (I think) what Leung wrote about Ned's "The criticism from a year ago was wrong" statement:
"Even after acquiring Jones, Colletti has maintained his support of Pierre that criticism of the outfielder as the cause of the club's struggles last year was unfair."

2008-02-18 15:02:05
83.   El Lay Dave
80 ... all over, apparently.
2008-02-18 15:08:36
84.   cargill06
maybe they can pull a milton from office space and just "fix the glitch" in pay-roll and the rest will work itself out
2008-02-18 15:09:18
85.   Kevin Lewis

Brent, I graduated in 98. Is your brother Avery?

2008-02-18 15:09:58
86.   Kevin Lewis

I just looked at my swingline stapler and smiled

2008-02-18 15:14:44
87.   Brent Knapp
Yes Kevin, I remember your family from PV, and my brother is Avery. Did you have a little sister in my grade? Catherine, I think?
2008-02-18 15:18:30
88.   Brent Knapp
85 Maybe it was Karen now that I think of it. Small world I guess. Email me
2008-02-18 15:21:19
89.   Ken Noe
So to sum up JP today: I'm hurt that they got Jones, I'll play left, but if you want to bench me, you'd better trade me. That's not a happy camper.
2008-02-18 15:26:44
90.   Kevin Lewis

Yep, it's Karin. I think I played little league with your brother.

2008-02-18 15:27:53
91.   PalmdaleSteve1

You think?

"Pierre, 30, has played in 434 consecutive games, the longest active streak in baseball. He said it wouldn't hurt his pride if the streak stopped, but if he lost his starting job entirely, that would be another story.

"I sign a contract for 162 games and I like to think I honor the contract," he said. "I know the team counts on me. There might be guys that want me to sit, but that's just the way I feel.""

You expect Juan who is know for his work ethic to just take the money and be happy to sit on the bench...hardly, and not to mention that Pierre is pretty much the same player he's always been as far as stats go.

2008-02-18 15:31:00
92.   Gen3Blue
I am obviously behind in reading the comments, but as I contemplate a Marie Callender's frozen dinner, am I to understand there is also a chain of restaraunts? This is usually not a good sign, thinking back on Boston ----, and Howard Johnson's. I may be a bit isolated and behind the times, so if MC's is also on the east coast, I didn't know. Marie has that marketing that implies a more generous, county influenced, and dare I say natural frozen dinner. But if you find the right side of the box, I must say the list of ingredients ( including chemicals) is as big as any.
2008-02-18 15:35:41
93.   MC Safety
Can someone shed some light on what a "championship player" is?
2008-02-18 15:39:25
94.   Johnson
93 Can someone shed some light on what a "championship player" is?

Juan Pierre is a championship player. He has won a championship. Q.E.D.

2008-02-18 15:42:03
95.   El Lay Dave
92 It is a chain. But there was a real Marie Callender, and she started out as a 1940s piemaker. The facts are these: the first pie and coffee shops opened in the mid-60s in Orange Country here in California. Eventually they expanded to be restaurants.

I can remember eating dinner at the Toluca Lake location in the early-to-mid 70s, tureens full of soup and, of course, pie to finish.

2008-02-18 15:43:52
96.   El Lay Dave
Oh, facts lifted from here:

though I did remember a little of it from the reading the back (front?) of the old menu.

2008-02-18 15:49:55
97.   MC Safety
94 It just seems so silly. From now on that title is reserved for good players. Johan Santana is a championship player. Miggy Cabrera is a championship player. David Eckstein and Scott Podsednik are not championship players, but they have won championships.
2008-02-18 15:57:20
98.   Bluebleeder87
I'm pretty sure Tommy will be managing the game ESPN will air on the 28th & I'm almost positive ESPN announcers will want to talk to him, I'm sure it will be fun watching that game.
2008-02-18 15:59:02
99.   underdog
98 Makes me wish Dave Kingman was an ESPN announcer.
2008-02-18 16:08:16
100.   Bob Timmermann
The presence of a Marie Callendar's in San Pedro instead of Papadakis Taverna means that you will likely not be hearing of stories of USC football recruits going to San Pedro to receive "extra benefits" that contravene NCAA rules.

Unless, there are some players that USC is recruiting that really, really, really like cornbread or pie.

I tried to take my dad out to lunch one day at a Marie Callendar's near his home. That did not end well. My dad was not one to get a free meal from his son even if it was his birthday.

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2008-02-18 16:16:07
101.   trainwreck
Was Matt Kemp raised in your family?
2008-02-18 16:19:33
102.   Bob Timmermann
In my household, trash cans were very important! We always had the trash cans out ready for pickup one day before the scheduled pickup. I was led to believe that if we forgot about our weekly pickup, unspeakable horrors would descend upon our family.
2008-02-18 16:20:39
103.   PalmdaleSteve1

Joni Mitchel said it best:

They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot
With a pink hotel, a boutique
And a swinging hot SPOT
Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you've got
'Til it's gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot


2008-02-18 16:20:52
104.   Kevin Lewis

Did you order the corn bread? Tell me you ordered the corn bread, and a side of inspiration.

2008-02-18 16:24:28
105.   Bob Timmermann
The Timmermann family and cornbread have had a long and fruitful partnership throughout history.

There was a cast iron skillet that was in the family for over 50 years that made some of the best cornbread. When I asked my dad for it, he said he threw it away.

Who throws away an iron skillet? And for what reason? It's not like it was going to break.

2008-02-18 16:26:53
106.   bhsportsguy
100 Its $5.99 pie sale right now at Marie's. I always forget to bring in the old pie tins.
2008-02-18 16:28:37
107.   Eric Enders
I take it Bob did not order the peach cobbler at Marie's.
2008-02-18 16:31:18
108.   Gen3Blue
Thanks El Lay and Bob. I think MC is still going to be dinner and I'm all ready on a new Jag.

I was just listening to 660 WFAN--a big deal on the EC, which had a very smooth satirical ad for a golden Roger Clemons syringe set and a bonus inflatable Barry head suitable for ballooning. For some reason my thinking sudddenly crystallized.
As much as I would like to blame Barry and even Roger, these substances were not even illegal when they were using them and I suddenly feel that almost all the fault goes to the clowns who were representing the Owners and the players union. You can apportion it however you want, but these two outfits are completely at fault for this whole mess. IMO..

2008-02-18 16:31:19
109.   trainwreck
I have never had homemade cornbread. I think I have only had KFC cornbread.
2008-02-18 16:34:30
110.   Bob Timmermann
Cornbread was pretty popular on the farm where my dad grew up. It's not very hard to prepare and the main ingredient, corn meal, is cheap and lasts for a very long time.

Mix in some eggs, some milk, some baking powder, and a little sugar and you're in business.

2008-02-18 16:35:49
111.   El Lay Dave
105 What would have happened if you told him that people pay good money for well-seasoned iron skillets?

An iron skillet is an absolute requirement for making proper cornbread and proper biscuits and gravy.

And no, I don't put that gravy on cake; I'm not all salty like that.

2008-02-18 16:36:57
112.   El Lay Dave
110 and serve with honey butter.
2008-02-18 16:43:58
113.   Bob Timmermann
The truth about what happened to that skillet is something my dad took to his grave.

That iron skillet had been used to fry bacon, eggs, and make cornbread for half a century. It made the greatest tasting food.

And then it was just "disappeared" for no good reason. And I'm still bitter.

2008-02-18 16:44:08
114.   Kevin Lewis

I am sad you lost all the years of baked in grease on that skillet. That is salty sad.

2008-02-18 16:48:44
115.   Kevin Lewis
I don't own a skillet. I need to buy one to use with my Big Green Egg
2008-02-18 16:48:56
116.   underdog
So Marie Callender's vs. Juan Pierre. Uh, erm...

How about that NBA All-Star game eh? How about that Memphis vs. Tennessee game coming up? Um, how about the Oscar race, huh, should be fun...

2008-02-18 16:52:45
117.   Bob Timmermann
My name is Inigo Timmermann. You took my family's cast iron skillet. Now, prepare to die!
2008-02-18 16:53:04
118.   Dodgers49
98. I'm pretty sure Tommy will be managing the game ESPN will air on the 28th & I'm almost positive ESPN announcers will want to talk to him, I'm sure it will be fun watching that game.

That doesn't appear to be the case. First, the ESPN game is the 29th but Lasorda doesn't take over the team until March 11th anyway.

>> A team official confirmed that Lasorda will manage eight exhibition games beginning with a March 11 game against Florida at Holman Stadium. <<

2008-02-18 17:06:21
119.   ToyCannon
Honey butter is a must for cornbread. If you can't get the real thing from MC then the box works just fine.
I can't believe your Dad threw the skillet out. Maybe he gave it to one of your brothers and didn't want to hurt your feelings. No one who has used one for 50 years would just throw it out unless your mother did all the cooking and he just ingested the bread and had nothing else to do with it.
2008-02-18 17:08:36
120.   El Lay Dave
I fear the Gurnick's latest mailbag will cause a gasket-blowing outbreak:

Why aren't the Dodgers talking about contract extensions with any of their young stars (Russell Martin, James Loney, Matt Kemp, Chad Billingsley, Jonathan Broxton)?
-- Nick C., Los Angeles

... For the club, long-term contracts with young players present more risk than reward. It's not impossible sooner, but long-term contracts are more likely to be offered when these players accumulate four or five years of service time, assuming their performance has not diminished by then.

2008-02-18 17:15:59
121.   El Lay Dave
2008-02-18 17:18:38
122.   Dodgers49
I think D.J. Houlton made a wise decision.

Dodgers Mailbag: Extensions for young stars?

>> I didn't have to go because the Dodgers sold me, but that was just saying a lot to me, you know? I mean if the Dodgers are willing to part with me for a price, then how much of a chance did I have once again? <<

2008-02-18 17:19:55
123.   Dodgers49
Oooops! Beaten by El Lay Dave. :-)
2008-02-18 17:22:56
124.   El Lay Dave
Gurnick on Koufax at ST contains a couple interesting Torre mentions:

Torre said when he was considering his coaching staff, Koufax endorsed keeping Honeycutt as pitching coach.

I guess that is a good imprimatur to have.

Joe Torre said the first time he faced Koufax in 1961, he struck out three times and popped out. By then, Koufax was a six-year veteran and Torre was 20 years old.

Well, not according to / retrosheet:

2008-02-18 17:24:03
125.   El Lay Dave
123 Not really. Interesting how we focused on different items.
2008-02-18 17:25:41
126.   Bob Timmermann
I think my father's second wife had something to do with it. She probably saw it as a sign of my dad's old life that she didn't want to have anything to do with. She was weird that way.

My grandmother did the bulk of the cooking in my house.
My brothers do not have the skillet. We all wanted the skillet.

2008-02-18 17:36:02
127.   Dodgers49
Kemp has been listed as both going to China and staying in Florida. I guess we'll just have to wait and see:

Lasorda to manage Dodgers again

>> Lasorda's squad is expected to include regulars Jeff Kent, Rafael Furcal, Juan Pierre, Russell Martin, Matt Kemp, James Loney and all of the starting rotation. <<

2008-02-18 17:38:16
128.   Bob Timmermann
Perhaps Kemp will be eating Chinese food in Florida?

Perhaps Matt Kemp stole my family's cast iron skillet.

2008-02-18 17:47:32
129.   Dodgers49
125 123 Not really. Interesting how we focused on different items.

That's probably because I thought Houlton should have been pitching in Los Angeles last year instead of Roberto Hernandez and was quite interested in how the Japan thing came about. :-)

2008-02-18 17:49:25
130.   El Lay Dave
128 No, he just moved the skillet while loudly complaining about its location.
2008-02-18 17:58:25
131.   trainwreck
Better get Bill on the phone. We need to send Kemp a message.
2008-02-18 18:37:00
132.   Gen3Blue
I'm afraid Houlton should have been pitching in LA before Hendricksen or Tomko.
As a matter of fact I am beginning to become aware that many young players should have been played above many veterans in LA in the last several years. I will even be so bold as to say that the choice of playing time for older players is responsible for the D's appearing so rarely in the play-offs. But I think it is beginning to be so obvious to people in baseball and even the media that we may see some changes.
2008-02-18 18:43:59
133.   Gen3Blue
Hey--- the Kendricks to Japan prank is going to make MSNBC and the Dan whats his name show!! If you guys on the West Coast are on the same schedule it should be in about 5 minute. Big Media jumps in!
2008-02-18 18:44:32
134.   Gen3Blue
Dan Abrams--that is.
2008-02-18 18:57:02
135.   LogikReader
Here's a good sign the future is now.

I finished a public roto league draft today and guess who's being used as a utility man in my opponent's team? You got it, James Loney.

Meanwhile, it was the 8th round, I was in a pinch and I needed a RF. Well, by now I knew who to go to. The Bison of course!

It also took an extremely long time before anyone in a 12 team league would take Juan Pierre.

Wait until you hear the kind of categories they'll use in this league...

2008-02-18 19:01:39
136.   Gen3Blue
133 Sorry-I could be wrong.
2008-02-18 19:33:51
137.   StolenMonkey86
Bob, if you ever got a hold of said iron skillet, would you rename the Griddle?
2008-02-18 19:48:25
138.   Joe Pierre
When Dodger fans see Tommy in the Dugout & in uniform during a game they will say "I knew something was missing all these years" One thing you might have forgotten. This man gave this team, when he was managing, PERSEVERANCE. Let's hope he can do it again.
2008-02-18 19:48:43
139.   jasonungar07
If god forbid something happened to the Bison, is Andre the only guy who could play RF?

And what happens if Jones gets hurt. Could they actually say to Pierre, move back to CF, that 37 mill defensive upgrade was no biggy, you'll do fine?

2008-02-18 19:52:09
140.   trainwreck
Young could also play RF, I guess. I am sure they would move Pierre to CF if Jones got hurt.
2008-02-18 20:01:25
141.   Bob Timmermann
I respectfully decline comment on the merits of Mr. Lasorda.

I've suffered enough:

2008-02-18 20:01:36
142.   Daniel Zappala
I know how to cook lots of things in a cast iron skillet, as long as I am making a dish that allows me to deglaze the pan with some wine. I do not know how to cook something like an egg in a cast-iron skillet. It would just stick and form a burned mess! How do you do that?

(Exceptions made for eggs cooked in bacon grease, but that's just plain gross.)

2008-02-18 20:16:32
143.   Bob Timmermann
I'd tell you how to fry eggs in a cast iron skillet, but I don't have one.

Ironically, the propietor of The Griddle does not own a griddle.

2008-02-18 20:26:43
144.   Jon Weisman
Two new posts up top.

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