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Pedro and Sandy
2008-02-23 15:17
by Jon Weisman

"Sandy's words were the first, first words I heard in Dodgertown."

So begins Pedro Martinez in his interview with Ben Shpigel of the New York Times about his relationship with Sandy Koufax.

Rafael Bournigal even gets a shout-out.

Meanwhile, in this story, Shpigel catches up with former Dodger folk heroes Olmedo Saenz and Marlon Anderson, now trying to keep things going with the Mets.

Update: Here's the article Shpigel wrote based on his interviews.

Comments (91)
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2008-02-23 15:28:50
1.   gpellamjr
Is Saenz affiliated with the Mets now, too?

Hey, Bob. Don't think I didn't appreciate your Latin in the last thread.

2008-02-23 15:31:27
2.   Bob Timmermann
The Latin was from someone else.
2008-02-23 15:36:06
3.   gpellamjr
Well, I didn't think you made up the phrase "uade mecum".
2008-02-23 15:41:57
4.   Dodgers49
Saito's new recipe for Dodgers success

2008-02-23 15:46:22
5.   MikeB
A new Yankees oriented baseball blog I stumbled across - a bit more thoughtful and literary than most.
2008-02-23 15:48:42
6.   Andrew Shimmin
Sometimes I make up phrases in Latin. But they're all dirty, so I can't reproduce any of them, here.
2008-02-23 15:48:45
7.   MikeB
Will there be a review of "old friends in new places" before this new season begins?
2008-02-23 15:50:28
8.   Jon Weisman
7 - I always like to do that if I have time.
2008-02-23 15:51:52
9.   gpellamjr
Hmm. Would anyone know the difference?

Fac, dic, sed ne putes!

2008-02-23 15:52:08
10.   gpellamjr
9 was meant for 6.
2008-02-23 15:59:37
11.   MikeB
What's the count of DT'ers going to the game at the Coliseum? I snagged a ticket through a friend last week.
2008-02-23 16:00:26
12.   gpellamjr
I just got my tax return and am thinking about buying tickets for the two April games in Cincinnati. I don't think my wife will go with me. Anybody planning on being in Ohio in mid-April?
2008-02-23 16:03:49
13.   Bob Timmermann
There goes that birthday present idea...
2008-02-23 16:06:32
14.   gpellamjr
13 You can still buy me the tickets. I haven't yet.
2008-02-23 16:10:16
15.   Bob Timmermann
Old friends on the Mets 40 man roster:
Pedro Martinez
Duaner Sanchez
Marlon Anderson
Old friends who are NRIs for the Mets:
Olmedo Saenz
Jose Valentin
Brady Clark

Old friends on the Padres 40 man roster:
Greg Maddux
Randy Wolf
Brian Myrow
Oscar Robles
No old friend NRIs for San Diego.

2008-02-23 16:17:18
16.   Dodgers49
Dodgers Notes: Lowe's pain an afterthought

>> Derek Lowe led the parade of Dodgers pitchers tossing batting practice on Saturday and came off the field believing that his new offseason conditioning program is working. <<

2008-02-23 16:20:17
17.   MikeB
15 . And, old friend Depo is still part of the Padres brain trust. When does he get another shot at a GM job?
2008-02-23 16:20:54
18.   Andrew Shimmin
Ryan Howard's most comparable player according to. . .

Jayson Stark: Babe Ruth
Baseball Prospectus: Mike Epstein
Baseball Reference: Norm Cash

Are the arbitrators working under a gag rule, or do they get to explain what they were thinking? I can see giving him ten million just to punish the Phillies for letting him sit in AAA so much longer than he needed to be there. More easily than I can see believing he really is that much better than anybody who's ever been arbitrated, anyway.

2008-02-23 16:26:36
19.   trainwreck
How much bunting practice does Juan Pierre need? He should practice on his strike zone judgment.
2008-02-23 16:26:48
20.   Dodgers49
Non-roster invitees to make their cases

2008-02-23 16:30:36
21.   Bob Timmermann
Ryan Howard certainly doesn't have as cool of a nickname as Mike Epstein.

And I'm betting that Howard drinks less alcohol than Cash did at a comparable age.

2008-02-23 16:40:17
22.   Joe Pierre
Nice to have a chance to read the N.Y. Times, I hardly do except when I was looking for a job. I remember when Pedro pitched for the Dodgers. Sandy really gets around, shuffling back and forth between the Dodgers and Mets. Too bad our guys are moving out of Vero, I hope he gets a chance to go to AZ, as often. Sad to see Saenz, "The Killer Tomato", the "Pride of Panama" leave. But I'll get to see and read alot about him playing in my back yard, if he makes the team, following the likes of Pedro, Piazza, LoDuca, Green, Valentin, Anderson etc,,,etc,,,
2008-02-23 16:49:40
23.   regfairfield
Judging from the article my "Phillies brain trust bad enough that they couldn't prove Ryan Howard is worse than Miguel Cabrera" theory was right.
2008-02-23 17:11:43
24.   Louis in SF
When you read the NYT article with Koufax, you just wonder if it would ever be possible to have take some permanent role in the Dodger organization. I have heard he doesn't want it and likes it the way it is now, but somehow it seems he should have if he wants a more offical role.

I also hope that once Saito retires as well as Nomo that the Dodgers use these two guys in a formal way to recruit in Japan. It seems already that Saito played a major role in getting Kuroda to be a Dodger, and given Nomo's career and trailblazing work with the Dodgers he would also seem to be very logical that they should have offical paid roles.

2008-02-23 17:26:03
25.   Bob Timmermann
The Beavers are well on their to an 0-15 record in the Pac-10.
2008-02-23 17:34:55
26.   Bob Timmermann
Put the word "way" into the sentence.

Somewhere. It'll make sense.

2008-02-23 17:37:15
27.   Bluebleeder87
Thanks for the Pedro Martinez-Sandy Koufax link Jon, nice long pitcher arms from Sandy Koufax on one of the pics.
2008-02-23 17:41:20
28.   Andrew Shimmin
Would OSU be better off subbing in midgets for all their starters?


2008-02-23 17:43:37
29.   Bob Timmermann
The problem with Oregon State is that everywhere you look with that team you see Alissa Milano.
2008-02-23 17:43:58
30.   Andrew Shimmin
For the record, Koufax's arms appear to be the same length in both photos.

SC is up by thirty, now.

2008-02-23 17:47:58
31.   Bob Timmermann
The other winless team in conference play in a power conference is Northwestern. And the Wildcats have a lead over Indiana in the first half in Evanston.
2008-02-23 17:49:06
32.   Bob Timmermann
The mark for fewest points scored in the shot clock era in college basketball is in danger!

Saint Louis scored 20 against George Washington earlier this season.

I'm betting that OSU tops that.

2008-02-23 17:54:38
33.   Bob Timmermann
USC is already playing a bunch of reserves, many of whom never get into games.
2008-02-23 17:55:04
34.   trainwreck
Is Marcel Jones the dumbest player in college sports?

Calling up teams and trash talking them when you play for Oregon State.

2008-02-23 17:56:31
35.   Andrew Shimmin
The announcing team should turn on some music and go get a beer. It must be tough thinking of things to say when the game is going like this, but it shouldn't be this tough. The Nascar commercial was more interesting than this.
2008-02-23 17:57:48
36.   Bob Timmermann
I'm very intrigued now to go to the Pac-10 tournament to watch the Wednesday night games. That 7-10 matchup should be great. Right now, Cal is #7.

Can OSU go 0-19?

2008-02-23 18:14:43
37.   GrilledOnly
11 I managed to snag 4 tickets online when they went on sale to the public. Nose bleed seats down the line but no matter. Just the experience of being there and getting an idea of how things use to be makes it the place to be for me.
2008-02-23 18:19:38
38.   Andrew Shimmin
Also for the record, Brian Urquhart writes like a little girl. I have it on good authority that he's repeatedly lobbied the NYRB to change its font so that the "I"s are dotted with hearts.
2008-02-23 18:31:05
39.   Daniel Zappala
I'm going to be in town for the Pirates series April 14 - 16th. I'd like to take my kids to see Dodger Stadium for the first time. Anyone have any extra tickets they'd like to sell for those dates? I would need 5 total, which I recognize is asking a lot.
2008-02-23 18:43:38
40.   Bob Timmermann
Anyone else watching the big college basketball game going on now?

Rider at CSUN!

2008-02-23 18:45:36
41.   bhsportsguy
39 I have just 2 for the 15th (which will probably be Jackie Robinson Night), its doubtful that there will be big demand for April week night games (aside from the 15th).

I can buy 3 more on Tuesday in the same area probably, so let me know.

2008-02-23 18:49:45
42.   bhsportsguy
I am listing the 10 projected OPS by BP's OPS for the Dodgers that Eric S. averaged out.

But I am not going to break out the OBP and Slugging nor am I giving the names because it is a subscribser only product.

But you will probably be able to figure out who is who. (This is the 50 percentile projection).


2008-02-23 18:53:09
43.   Daniel Zappala
41 Where are your seats? Price?
2008-02-23 18:59:09
44.   bhsportsguy
43 Infield Reserve Section 1 $23 each. I have 2 for sure, I can buy additional tickets on Tuesday and I am pretty sure in the same section but not next to the original 2.
2008-02-23 19:05:20
45.   Daniel Zappala
44 That would be excellent! I don't mind splitting up 2/3 if they are somewhat near each other.
2008-02-23 19:24:13
46.   berkowit28
39 You do know that individual tickets will go on sale on March 1? It's generally not difficult to get seats, even on short notice. With 6 weeks+ you should have no trouble.
2008-02-23 19:25:50
47.   Andrew Shimmin
Stubhub has tickets for all those games, some in blocks of five. Their Infield Reserve seats aren't dead center, the way it looks like bhsportsguy's are, but some are available in blocks of five or more. Although, breaking the family into two groups does have motivational potential--the best kid for the next month and a half gets to sit with dad and drink caffeinated soda, the rest have to sit with mom and eat peanuts brought from home.

I think it's a mistake, letting kids in their first trip have cushy, rich guy seats, though. You should make them climb to the top deck. No escalators. They have to be prepared, physically and spiritually for what it means to be a Dodger fan. By which I mean, while they're climbing the stairs, I think you should trip them.

2008-02-23 19:31:23
48.   Greg Brock
I think it's cruel, to invite three kids to a Dodgers game, and to leave the other twelve at home. A parent should never play favorites.

Shame on you, Daniel.

2008-02-23 19:32:28
49.   regfairfield
I sat in the field level the first time I went to Dodger Stadium when I was four.

I've paid more than six dollars for tickets about five times since.

2008-02-23 19:35:14
50.   Marty
Koufax was known for his huge hands. There's a picture of him holding four baseballs in his hands representing his four interesting games.
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2008-02-23 19:37:10
51.   Bob Timmermann
One of Dodger Stadium's big selling points when it opened was its terraced parking lots, which were designed to put people on the same level as their seats and avoid big hikes up the stairs.

And of course, that idea went out the windows after about five games in 1962. And now, unless you have preferred parking, you really don't have much control over where you park.

All of the studying I've been doing about the battle over building Dodger Stadium has been fascinating.

It marked a big change in the political landscape of Los Angeles. The liberals in L.A. became a different type of liberal and the conservatives became a different type of conservative.

2008-02-23 19:37:28
52.   Marty
50 Get rid of that "s". He was holding them in one hand. Criminy.
2008-02-23 19:40:28
53.   Daniel Zappala
48 Thanks for ruining it Greg. We were going to buy 5 tickets and then put some kids on laps and in the aisle. We figured we could easily get past the ticket-takers, because no way would they expect a family with 15 kids. Their brains would be in denial, refusing to believe what they were seeing.

Sigh. I guess we'll just sit outside on the hill and listen to the sounds, maybe eat some cold hot dogs.

2008-02-23 19:44:05
54.   Bob Timmermann
Are you sure?
2008-02-23 19:44:52
55.   Bob Timmermann
Nolan Ryan could hold four baseballs in one hand:

2008-02-23 19:46:58
56.   Bob Timmermann
However, in this photo, you can tell that either Koufax has really big hands or else he's holding a miniature baseball:
2008-02-23 19:51:53
57.   trainwreck
This game is like watching a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off running around.
2008-02-23 19:55:07
58.   bhsportsguy
57 You mean the Tenn/Memphis game.

There was a hush at Pauley today when Westbrook went down.

Then he came back and YouTubed an Oregon player.

2008-02-23 19:57:16
59.   Sam DC
58 Is that a common usage now, or did you just coin it?
2008-02-23 19:57:34
60.   trainwreck
My friend went to game and he claims Westbrook get semi-booed, because people think he is going to the NBA. I frankly, do not believe him. I did not hear any booing.
2008-02-23 19:58:14
61.   trainwreck
*My friend went to the game he claims Westbrook got semi-booed...
2008-02-23 19:59:58
62.   Bob Timmermann
It's coming down to the wire at the Matadome! The Broncs lead by 2 with 1:21 left.

I wonder if the Rider guys are going to Marie Callendar's after the game? Or maybe just El Torito?

There is no shortage of chain restaurants near the CSUN campus.

I wonder what hotel they're staying at.

2008-02-23 20:01:57
63.   trainwreck
The Klitschko/Ibragimov fight really is not helping the heavyweight division.
2008-02-23 20:07:55
64.   Bob Timmermann
CSUN didn't get the same favorable call from the refs at the end of the game as Georgetown has this year.
2008-02-23 20:16:33
65.   Sushirabbit
YeeHaw! Too bad I can't really sing Rocky Top for you. :-)
2008-02-23 20:23:34
66.   Greg Brock
63 I was at the game and I didn't hear Westbrook get booed at all. The refs? Booed. Loudly.

And the Klitschko "Slap the hand down" tactic is fun!

2008-02-23 20:24:40
67.   trainwreck
That is good, because that would be absurd for him to get booed.
2008-02-23 20:25:27
68.   Marty
Thanks memory for ruining everything. I'll never trust it again.
2008-02-23 20:26:00
69.   Greg Brock
The weird thing is that Klitschko could knock Ibragimov out if he even remotely wanted to.

Even Emanuel Stewart is begging Klitschko to knock him out. Maybe the Russian mob got to Wladimir.

2008-02-23 20:26:37
70.   Bob Timmermann
I've heard it said that corn doesn't grow well on Rocky Top. I believe the dirt is too rocky by far. And all the residents of Rocky Top get their corn from a jar.

I went up with another stranger to Rocky Top in search of an illegal alcholic beverage making device. People have heard back from us however.

2008-02-23 20:32:06
71.   Sam DC
Purple Rain on VH1.

It's running with a Black History Month logo.

2008-02-23 20:56:48
72.   Sushirabbit
70, 'cause ya taint no revenuer.

I get my corn from an Irish Bottle.

2008-02-23 21:07:20
73.   Bob Timmermann
Pac-10 standings
UCLA 12-2, 24-3
Stan 10-3, 21-4
WSU 9-6, 21-6
USC 8-6, 17-9
ASU 7-7, 17-9
___ 7-7, 17-9
Cal 6-7, 15-9
Wash 6-8, 15-13
Ore 6-8, 15-12
OSU 0-15, 6-21
2008-02-23 21:07:59
74.   Daniel Zappala
bhsportsguy: send me an email ( and I'll reply back if we want to buy those tickets from you.
2008-02-23 21:20:42
75.   Greg Brock
The Joe Louis documentary on HBO is really, really good.
2008-02-23 21:22:14
76.   Daniel Zappala
I found the birthday gift that Bob, or anyone else, can get me:

2008-02-23 22:03:54
77.   trainwreck
Yeah, that was a very touching piece.
2008-02-23 22:06:45
78.   underdog
What're y'all doing here? Raging Bull is on TMC!

The Man From Laramie is on the Encore Western channel!

And stuff!

And I have an 8-flipping-40am soccer game tomorrow so I somehow have to go to bed early.

2008-02-23 22:08:53
79.   jasonungar07
ho hum..lakers win
2008-02-23 22:22:20
80.   paranoidandroid
Daniel Zappala:

I have an idea for you to consider for the April 15th game. Sign up one child of yours for the Blue Crew fan club, it's $25 plus a two dollar fee.

They send you six ticket vouchers for the Blue Crew dates, they tix are free when you exchange them at the box office. The list of available games includes the April 15th game. The tickets are good for the reserved level, not as good as bh's tickets, but you can move around to better seats on a weeknight after the fourth inning.

You can get your whole family into the game for under $30. They also send you a Russ Martin backpack (really cheapo but free) and a Dodgers wallet. And a hat.

Look at and click on Kids section. Oh yeah, they even send you a Universal Studios kids ticket. I'd order it right away, it takes about three weeks for it to arrive.

Also, they offer half price kids tix the other two nights 90 minutes before game time for top deck. My season seats are top deck, sec 13, row A. You are welcome to my tix for any of the three nights if you'd want them. They are only $4.50 each season ticket price.

2008-02-23 22:54:48
81.   godvls
62-Tough loss for the Matadors tonight. Someone should have sent the Rider team to Morigi's after the game. I first dined there in 1975 with Gene Bartow and his family. Of course this was when it was a pizza/Italian place; now it's pizza/Afghan cuisine.
2008-02-24 03:12:43
82.   ibleedbloo
Daniel and everyone else. I have tickets on the Reserved Level, Aisle 31. Because of work I will not be able to attend many of the games. I have one partner who takes a had full from me, but I will have a lot (probably 50 games) that will end up on Ebay. I don't have an exact list as of yet of what I have available, but I'm should have most weekday games available.

Tickets are $10 each (my cost) and I'll sell them in pairs. The people who sit next to me usually have extras, so if you need 5 I can probably get the extra. If anyone is interested you can email

If you just want me to send you a list of the games I have available drop me a line and I should have the list ready in a week or two.

2008-02-24 04:01:36
83.   Eric Enders
From Dylan Hernandez:
"For the visitors to his rental home in Vero Beach, 'Chef Saito,' as he refers to himself on his blog"--

Whoa, OK, stop right there. Saito? Cooking? Blog? How have we not known about this before?

2008-02-24 06:29:49
84.   Disabled List
I actually got the owner of the sports bar I went to last night to put the CSUN-Rider game on one of the TVs. So while everyone in the joint was whooping it up to the Memphis-Tenn game, I was able to keep an eye on the Matadome madness.

It was a good game, although watching it side-by-side with #1 vs. #2 really underlined the awfully large difference in talent. I actually got some Kansas fans to root for CSUN in the 2nd half, although I think they were just disoriented from losing to Okla St. earlier in the day.

2008-02-24 07:10:53
85.   MollyKnight
83--Because it's all in Japanese.

Here's google's translated version, for a laugh:
Hi, Takashi Saito.

February 12, Vero Beach Florida service.

LA 「 Welcome back !」と LA But here, too, all kinds of people from going ahead with "Welcome back!"

We call it, to be moved.

went in the store, "Torre Coach, I came here to buy!" Said,

Fall, I bought you a generous amount of meat to it… (Why? Laughs)

☆ ☆

Third year is the start of camp life, but throwing the food, well.

Today's dinner,
Roasted ginger pork, roast, shrimp and tofu stir-fry of Chinese-style pickles on the rice,
The lineup.

Chef Takashi pitcher Takashi & Good luck.

I cook for a change of pace, it's going to refresh good.

Eat while talking with friends piled into and ultimately enjoy the adulation, "Horse!"

And praised it for good, and I HAPPY, HAPPY all of the effect of killing two birds with one stone.

Yes, Takashi Saito will thrive on praise from the type (laughs).

2008-02-24 07:13:46
86.   MollyKnight
In related news, Russ Martin is my favorite Dodger, but Sammy Saito runs a close second. There is nothing better in baseball than seeing that smile after a save.
2008-02-24 07:14:46
87.   Gen3Blue
85 Good comment. Those translations are a riot.
2008-02-24 07:33:21
88.   Gen3Blue
From Inside the Dodgers it sounds like the Koufax team is going to have a nice D infield in todays intersquad game.
2008-02-24 08:27:22
89.   Disabled List
Saito makes me HAPPY, HAPPY too.
2008-02-24 08:36:20
90.   Jon Weisman

Here's the Pedro-Sandy article that Shpigel wrote based on the longer interview linked up top.

2008-02-24 08:50:18
91.   Jon Weisman

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