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Upset! Los Angeles Chooses Historic Book-Thingy Over Vin Scully
2008-03-06 17:32
by Jon Weisman

Los Angeles magazine is staging a March Madness-like competition where the greatest treasures of Los Angeles battle each other (in a vote) - and in a matchup that should have been a walkover, the downtown Central Library upset Dodger legend Vin Scully.

I mean, it's a nice library and all, and we've got Bob there (he just happened to be the one to pass along the news), and it's not like I don't have a Master's in English hanging 10 feet away from me, but ... what's the deal? Come on!

The upset derailed a potential Elite Eight matchup between Scully and In-N-Out Burger - but not even that should have slowed Scully's run to the title.

Bonkers! Humanity has been let down.

And let this be a lesson to me. I didn't vote, and now I must hang my head in shame. I didn't do my suffrage, and now we all suffer.

Comments (171)
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2008-03-06 17:53:46
1.   popup
I think I will cancel my library card in protest.

Stan from Tacoma

2008-03-06 17:58:37
2.   Bob Timmermann
"In the year of the improbable ...."
2008-03-06 18:03:08
3.   trainwreck
I hope In-N-Out wins.

Did Trader Joes start in LA?

2008-03-06 18:03:43
4.   Bob Timmermann
I believe the first Trader Joe's was in Pasadena.
2008-03-06 18:04:57
5.   Jon Weisman
2 - Now, see - that should have been obvious to me.
2008-03-06 18:06:35
6.   Bob Timmermann
Amoeba Music beat Disneyland.
2008-03-06 18:08:03
7.   Bob Timmermann
Arclight beat the Watts Towers???
2008-03-06 18:08:39
8.   bigcpa
Thank god SC football lost to "the weather." I would have cast my vote for hemroids over that.
2008-03-06 18:10:24
9.   Marty
I just voted Langer's over the central library
2008-03-06 18:12:50
10.   trainwreck
99 cents stores? Why in the world is that on the list?
2008-03-06 18:13:35
11.   El Lay Dave
9 It's tough for Bob Timmermann to top an offering of Langer's pastrami, although most of what Bob offers is free.
2008-03-06 18:13:46
12.   Marty
And Pinks won over the Bradbury building. That alone makes it worthy to round up every copy of the magazine and burn it.
2008-03-06 18:15:08
13.   El Lay Dave
The Hollywood sign was a tough first round draw for Phillipe's.

El Cholo must have been a bubble team.

2008-03-06 18:17:03
14.   Bob Timmermann
Vin Scully doesn't charge for most of his work either. Nor does he impose overdue fines. Or use arcane language to tell you why you can't renew your book.

Vin loves literature as we all know from listening to him. I doubt he will mind the loss.

2008-03-06 18:20:46
15.   Dodgers49
Farnsworth embracing new start; feels Torre lost confidence in him last year

>> "It's tough when you lose the confidence of your manager,'' Farnsworth said Thursday. "You come in and prepare yourself day in and day out, and you have no clue about anything.'' <<

2008-03-06 18:21:29
16.   ROC
Roscoe's is the other upset IMHO along with the Watt's Towers. But no first round win for Vin is a sin.

Whenever anyone asks me about growing up in L.A. I describe an afternoons at the beach, listening to Vin & eating Double-Doubles. All the other highlights are interchangeable with folks I know who grew up elsewhere.

2008-03-06 18:26:34
17.   Bob Timmermann
You'll all be sorry when you come to me asking for a book on the history of artificial flower makers in New York City during the 1910s.
2008-03-06 18:33:17
18.   Dodgers49
Rockies insist 'we're still underdogs'

2008-03-06 18:48:14
19.   Bob Timmermann
I am greatly dissatisfied with my Pac-10 basketball viewing options on FSN right now.

Extremely disappointed.

2008-03-06 18:56:09
20.   Dodgers49
Q & A: Baseball Guru Bill James

2008-03-06 18:59:18
21.   trainwreck
Oregon State should be kicked out of the Pac-10. Especially, if they hire Lavin.

I am fine with sacrificing a good baseball program.

2008-03-06 19:02:57
22.   Lexinthedena
7 I would be very surprised if anyone over there at Los Angeles Magazine was actually from L.A. It is a catalog for the Gentrificating Colonists. The fact that Watts Towers lost to the Arclight illustrates this perfectly.

And why is El Cholo even in the tourny?

2008-03-06 19:08:16
23.   Lexinthedena
And don't get me started on Pinks....
2008-03-06 19:09:29
24.   Jon Weisman
22 - It's a public vote, not an editorial choice. Of course, I don't like Pink's either. Why is Carney's so underrated?
2008-03-06 19:09:42
25.   trainwreck
The Clippers seem to be really scouting Russell Westbrook. He may end up a top 5 pick.
2008-03-06 19:10:27
26.   Jon Weisman
Watts Towers losing to Arclight is bizarre on every level, though I have to admit, Watts Towers is one of the few local sights I haven't been to yet.
2008-03-06 19:15:36
27.   Bob Timmermann
Although most people would tell you that the Watts Towers are in Watts, they likely don't know exactly where they are.
2008-03-06 19:16:34
28.   El Lay Dave
26 Didn't every LAUSD kid make a field trip there? I sure did.
2008-03-06 19:17:56
29.   raygu
Has anyone seen the Gurnick article speculating that Kershaw may become the LA 5th starter out of ST over at MLB.COM?
2008-03-06 19:18:01
30.   fanerman
Nice to see the Museum of Jurassic Technology gets some love.

Where is the bacon-wrapped hot dog?

2008-03-06 19:21:23
31.   Eric Enders
29 That won't happen for the simple reason that we need a fifth starter who actually exists.
2008-03-06 19:24:42
32.   Brent Knapp
What is "the light?"
I would replace USC football with Joe Jost's.
There are no other cities where a sports announcer would be one of the 64 most commonly thought of items. Vin Scully, like Wooden, is a true legend.
2008-03-06 19:25:18
33.   Lexinthedena
27 When I was young, I had to complete about 30 hours of community service...because I lived in South Central at the time, they sent me to Watts to clean up Nickerson Gardens, Imperial Courts, and....Watts Towers. It was smaller then I thought, and also way cooler. You have to see it up close to appreciate it.

I stand by my scourn of Los Angeles magazine, and will assume that majority of those who votet are the colonists.

We should do our own Dodgerthoughts version of this.

2008-03-06 19:25:53
34.   natepurcell

It seems management wants to only make moves that I disagree with.

2008-03-06 19:26:40
35.   El Lay Dave
30 It's mentioned in the blurb for Pink's, along with Dodger Dogs, essentially as also-rans.
2008-03-06 19:27:23
36.   natepurcell
Golden God re: Minotaur

His curveball, it just drops off the table. I think it's the best curveball I've ever caught, to be honest.

2008-03-06 19:28:28
37.   raygu
agreed...he's too young. Give him a season in AA, or at least 1/2 a season in AA, to see if he can improve his control.
2008-03-06 19:30:06
38.   Marty
Instead of Pink's I would have gone with Danny's Oki-Dog.
2008-03-06 19:30:53
39.   El Lay Dave
29 Honeycutt does show a little caution:
"I've only seen Clayton pitch one inning of a Minor League game and one inning of our game. You look at his stats and see he had more walks than you want to see for the level (67 in 122 innings last year). So you just want to be sure he's fully equipped before you throw him into the situation. It's only a matter of time. But when's the right time for the young man?"
2008-03-06 19:32:57
40.   Bob Timmermann
Speaking of things with no names, the unnamed Pac-10 team is leading OSU 66-28 with 10 minutes to go in Corvallis.

Oregon has defeated ASU.

There will be a 3-way tie for 5th in the Pac-10 among the Ducks, Devils, and the other guys.

2008-03-06 19:33:36
41.   Disabled List
Apple Pan, Phillippe's, SG Valley dim sum, Sushi on Ventura, Spago, Roscoe's, and Musso & Frank's all went down in the first round, while Pink's, Langer's, Farmer's Market, La Brea Bakery, taco trucks (?) and In-N-Out all advanced. Apparently, the BBQ Conference didn't get an automatic bid this year. Whither Dr. Hogly Wogly?

They should just go back and do an all-LA food/restaurant bracket.

2008-03-06 19:37:36
42.   Disabled List
Incidentally, I'll take Carney's, Cupid's, and the original Tommy's (the one in the shack on Rampart only - not the franchised knock-offs) over Pink's.
2008-03-06 19:38:34
43.   El Lay Dave
30 Dodger Dogs have the stadium ambience; the bacon-wrapped gut bombs sold by downtown vendors sizzle with street cred. In 1939, when Pink's was just a pushcart, a chili dog, fully loaded, cost a dime; that same dog will run you about three bucks today. But for variety (about three dozen kinds, from the spicy Chicago Polish to the artery-choking Three Dog Night) and a wiener casing that pops just so, Pink's can't be beat, and not just because all those celebrities lining the walls say so.
2008-03-06 19:39:15
44.   Bob Timmermann
The USC-Cal game doesn't merit TV in Southern California.

Is it being shown in the Bay Area?

2008-03-06 19:41:52
45.   El Lay Dave
32 Literally light.
Unlike any other American city, it is also splintered into numerous subdivisions of light—apertures of sky that blaze, glow, glimmer, and dim, depending on season and landscape...
2008-03-06 19:43:57
46.   silverwidow
I cannot remember a player more hyped than our Minotaur. I mean, it will almost be a disappointment if he isn't transcendent in some way.
2008-03-06 19:44:49
47.   fanerman
44 I don't see it anywhere. I just browsed channels, so I may have missed it.
2008-03-06 19:46:16
48.   fanerman
46 It will be a disappointment if he decides to revert to a 100% human physical appearance when he makes it to the bigs (assuming he does).
2008-03-06 19:46:54
49.   Bob Timmermann
I think you must have a short memory.

Don't you even remember how the Mets were supposed to have an unbeatable trio of Jason Isringhausen, Bill Pulsipher, and Paul Wilson?

Or perhaps we can go back to last year and remember the halcyon days of Chamberlain and Buchholz.

2008-03-06 19:48:02
50.   Marty
If I was running the show, SGV dim sum would win. That is about my favorite thing to do at the moment.
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2008-03-06 19:51:04
51.   Gen3Blue
I remember articles that specifically said
that Kershaw would have none of the control problens that Bills and Ebert would. This has proven too optimistic, but if Clay is given a year to concentrate on this he will still be a wonder.
Don't over expect and stress him out. He is real gold.
2008-03-06 19:52:16
52.   Andrew Shimmin
Once you're down by thirty points, the referees should stop calling fouls against you.
2008-03-06 20:06:19
53.   LogikReader
Good luck to your Cardinal tonight, Jon!
2008-03-06 20:11:21
54.   trainwreck

I really need TIVO for nights like this.

2008-03-06 20:12:09
55.   dan reines
You'll all be sorry when you come to me asking for a book on the history of artificial flower makers in New York City during the 1910s.

Bob, I'm sorry just thinking about it.

The Dick Riordan Library over the Vin Scully Experience? Pink's over the Bradbury Building? A guitar shop (okay, a great guitar shop) over the Hollywood Bowl? No love for the Cholo?!

[channeling Will Arnett here...]

COME on!

2008-03-06 20:21:48
56.   Bob Timmermann
At the Galen Center, it's Cal 37, USC 31.
2008-03-06 20:27:02
57.   trainwreck
Now Jack is showing up at a UCLA basketball game.
2008-03-06 20:38:46
58.   Bob Timmermann
UCSB on its way to forcing a 3-way tie atop the Big West with CSUN and CSUF.
2008-03-06 20:41:32
59.   trainwreck
I have not been following the rest of the Big West much, so I am very surprised to see that Northridge is any good.
2008-03-06 20:43:43
60.   Bob Timmermann
CSUN played in one of the Bracketbuster games. Northridge finishes with Cal Poly. Fullerton finishes with UCI. UCSB plays Long Beach.
2008-03-06 20:45:17
61.   Sam DC
I can't believe I'm up at midnight watching UCLA score 14 points in 17 minutes of basketball.
2008-03-06 20:46:30
62.   Bob Timmermann
That's because it's not midnight yet where you are.
2008-03-06 20:47:24
63.   trainwreck
Stanford might as well play all these guys on the volleyball team too.
2008-03-06 20:51:09
64.   Sam DC
62 You know, it had also only been 16 minutes, 50 seconds of basketball when I posted that.
2008-03-06 20:52:53
65.   Bob Timmermann
Cal has a 3-point lead at the Galen Center with 14 minutes left.
2008-03-06 20:52:59
66.   kngoworld
just landed in orlando, driving to Vero and it is pouring rain. sorry, for typos, on my phone. Hope it clears up soon.
2008-03-06 20:53:03
67.   kngoworld
just landed in orlando, driving to Vero and it is pouring rain. sorry, for typos, on my phone. Hope it clears up soon.
2008-03-06 20:55:50
68.   Ken Arneson
56 Galen Center cracks me up every time I see it. In Swedish, it means "Crazy Center".

Speaking of crazy Swedes, a car bomb exploded today one block from my mom's apartment:

The evacuated preschool is directly across the street from her.

2008-03-06 21:00:29
69.   Bob Timmermann
But now the Trojans have retaken the lead.

Stanford wants USC to win. The Cardinal could then clinch the #1 seed in the Pac-10 tournament with a win tonight and Saturday.

2008-03-06 21:13:25
70.   Bob Timmermann
USC is now up comfortably by 11 with 5 minutes left at the Crazy Centrerat.
2008-03-06 21:18:21
71.   trainwreck
Looking ahead, but I was thinking how wide open the Pac-10 will be next season. Every team will lose some very significant players.
2008-03-06 21:23:13
72.   Bob Timmermann
I think there have been five held ball calls in this game. That's a lot at this level.
2008-03-06 21:24:45
73.   Bob Timmermann
Two words on how UCLA can tie this up:


2008-03-06 21:29:12
74.   trainwreck
Too bad Kelvin Kim is at UCSD.
2008-03-06 21:32:02
75.   Bob Timmermann
Cal and USC tied with 5 seconds left. USC possession.
2008-03-06 21:34:30
76.   Bob Timmermann
Free basketball at USC!
2008-03-06 21:35:11
77.   trainwreck
Collison is stepping it up.

Wow, Luc. Wow.

2008-03-06 21:35:26
78.   Joe Pierre
After '57 Brooklyn was a little crazy for a while. The Dodgers leaving was no joke. I think a lot of bitterness followed. Many of us kept trying to find ways to keep up with the team. Some of it lasted more than 30 years. After all you had our team. Dick Young was never the same. Before that he was O.K. in my book. He was one of the first to not give you the score or who won, or what happened. You already knew all that, but "Why". The man this thread is about really helped out a lot whenever we cought some of his broadcasts.
2008-03-06 21:36:15
79.   Xeifrank
Friends of DT H2H fantasy league is now full, but the Roto 5x5 league still has plenty of openings. Feel free to join. vr, Xei

League ID#: 138391
League Name: Friends of DT Roto
Password: minotaur
Custom League URL:
Season Type: Full
Draft Type: Live Draft
Draft Time: Fri Mar 14 7:00pm PDT

2008-03-06 21:37:36
80.   trainwreck
Aww man, did not know the league was already up.
2008-03-06 21:41:55
81.   Bob Timmermann
Dick Young's favorite shtick was to rail against players or teams that were "disloyal" and then at the end of his career, he packed up from the Daily News to go to the Post and he didn't even give it a second thought.

Like everyone else, Young could be bought. He was a mendacious loser.

2008-03-06 21:46:14
82.   Xeifrank
My bad Trainwreck, the H2H has only 10 of 14 slots filled so far. First come first serve.
vr, Xei

League ID#: 138386
League Name: Friends of DT - H2H
Password: dtroto1
Custom League URL:
Season Type: Full
Draft Type: Live Draft
Draft Time: Sat Mar 15 8:00pm PDT
Max Teams: 14
Scoring Type: Head-to-Head

2008-03-06 21:53:02
83.   Bob Timmermann
USC wins by 4.
2008-03-06 21:59:18
84.   Andrew Shimmin
This is pretty tense, isn't it, Todd?
2008-03-06 22:02:44
85.   Andrew Shimmin
That shot of the Stanford bench was really killer. Glad they stuck with it an extra five seconds, instead of following the ball.
2008-03-06 22:03:18
86.   trainwreck
2008-03-06 22:03:34
87.   Bob Timmermann
Lots of free basketball in the city of Los Angeles tonight!
2008-03-06 22:06:02
88.   Bob Timmermann
Brook Lopez has no fouls in this game.
2008-03-06 22:09:09
89.   Bob Timmermann
So is the dad in the Just for Men commercial divorced or a widower?
2008-03-06 22:10:48
90.   Andrew Shimmin
He's single. The kids are just holograms.
2008-03-06 22:11:41
91.   overkill94
89 Married, but his daughters hate their mom
2008-03-06 22:11:49
92.   Andrew Shimmin
Creepy, creepy holograms.
2008-03-06 22:12:36
93.   underdog
Woo hoo! About UCSB's game. Hope they don't blow the final one.

Wow, what a game, UCLA and Stanford.

Wow, Lost, too.

So much going on after I got home from soccer game. I'm having an ADD attack.

2008-03-06 22:12:58
94.   Andrew Shimmin
How many points for a Timmermann's law? Six?
2008-03-06 22:13:36
95.   Bob Timmermann
Timmermann's Law in college ball is four. In the NBA, it's six.
2008-03-06 22:17:28
96.   trainwreck
Pulled that one out of our wazzu.
2008-03-06 22:17:40
97.   Bob Timmermann
Pac-10 standings

UCLA 15-2, 27-3
Stan 13-4, 24-5
WSU 10-7, 22-7
USC 10-7, 19-10
ASU 8-9, 18-11
Ore 8-9, 17-12
___ 8-9, 18-12
Wash 7-10, 16-14
Cal 6-11, 15-13
OSU 0-17, 6-23

UCLA has clinched #1, Stanford is #2, Cal is #9, and Oregon State is #10. Washington State will be #3 with a win against Washington. USC will be #3 with a win against Stanford and a loss by Washington State. Arizona State will clinch #5 with a win against Oregon State.

2008-03-06 22:18:07
98.   trainwreck
Pac-10 champs!
2008-03-06 22:21:54
99.   Greg Brock
Stanford got jobbed.
2008-03-06 22:22:47
100.   Daniel Zappala
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2008-03-06 22:25:50
101.   overkill94
Tough call to make on that one. He did hit his elbow and his arms were slightly angled forward, but it wasn't obvious enough to warrant a whistle with less than 5 seconds. I don't understand why everyone is concentrating so much on what the hands touched though.
2008-03-06 22:26:18
102.   trainwreck
Never hurts to have luck on your side.

Or terrible refs making a bad call.

2008-03-06 22:26:42
103.   jasonungar07
Didn't watch the game but how do you score 18 in one half and 45 in the other? Wow..
2008-03-06 22:28:23
104.   Bob Timmermann
I think a lot of teams score more in the second half because there are more possessions with teams trying to catch up.
2008-03-06 22:29:47
105.   Greg Brock
If you take away the ridiculous bank shot that Finger hit (in and out bank shot from fifteen? COME ON!) then it's a wash.

But really, that wasn't the only fortunate call. The Tree fans are plenty unhappy, I'd guess.

2008-03-06 22:31:40
106.   silverwidow
It would've been hilarious if LaRoche was in the first photo:

2008-03-06 22:32:07
107.   GMac In The 909
Am I the only one who didn't hear anything the therapist said that episode? I could only think about cutting it off and making some gauc-a-moley!!! ... Mole!
2008-03-06 22:32:53
108.   trainwreck
Westbrook's first free throw was ridiculous.
2008-03-06 22:33:27
109.   GMac In The 909
107 Opps. Something told me the Lost chat wouldn't have 105 comments.

Moving on, how aboot them Bruins?

2008-03-06 22:33:48
110.   Bob Timmermann
You want to go to this thread:
2008-03-06 22:36:57
111.   Jon Weisman
It was a very good game. I've got no complaints about the refs. I just feel a little sad because we had that lead for sooooooo long.
2008-03-06 22:42:32
112.   silverwidow
Tony Jackson calls Tony Abreu and Delwyn Young "banjo hitters with no pop."

Oh, the irony...

2008-03-06 22:43:38
113.   Bob Timmermann
UCLA led in regulation for 19 seconds.
2008-03-06 22:44:30
114.   trainwreck
Tony has figured out how to get the most traffic possible on his site.
2008-03-06 22:45:46
115.   LAbits
Go Bruins... oh my gosh what an overtime! Not giving up is a great thing!
2008-03-06 22:52:34
116.   GMac In The 909
114 Tony Jackson's Web persona has become that of a cheap sports talk radio host.
2008-03-06 22:55:08
117.   trainwreck
Maybe he dreams of getting on ESPN.
2008-03-06 22:59:26
118.   natepurcell
I am almost ready to put Tony Jackson in the same place where Ken Gurnick resides.

yes...that place.

2008-03-06 23:00:19
119.   trainwreck
I believe during the broadcast they said that this is the first time since Coach Wooden was around that a school won three Pac-10 titles in a row.

Savor this UCLA fans!

2008-03-06 23:03:04
120.   GMac In The 909
117 If we are lucky, he'll take either Steve Phillips' or Plaschke's chair.

Speaking of TJ, has anyone ever mentioned the fact that he covered the Reds several years back and maybe that's why he has a fondness for below average players?

2008-03-06 23:34:01
121.   underdog
Well, guys, hate to say but sometimes the best way to show a media source you're fed up is to ignore it. Silence is deafening. Stay away from his blog, don't post a comment - I mean if enough's enough that would certainly make him wonder why the party suddenly died out.
2008-03-06 23:40:08
122.   ryu
I hope UCLA goes all the way this year. It might the last year this core group of players will be together.

Out of Howland's seven-man rotation, up to six might not come back next year. NBA prospects: Love, Westbrook, Collison, Shipp, Mbah a Moute (maybe?). And Mata-Real will graduate.

Only Aboya and Roll are sure to be back.

2008-03-06 23:46:22
123.   trainwreck
I have been saying this for awhile when it comes to Plaschke. I still do not think Tony Jackson is anywhere near his level.
2008-03-06 23:49:16
124.   trainwreck
I do not think Shipp or Luc will leave, because they may not be drafted. They could leave, but it would be a terrible decision.

This is why I was saying the Pac-10 will be wide open next year. UCLA is going to have no big man depth for at least the next two years. Though, I think Jrue Holiday will be an absolute beast and possible number 1 pick. Which means UCLA will be fun to watch.

2008-03-06 23:52:52
125.   El Lay Dave
This is the part of Tony Jackson's article that gets to me:

"The mountain Repko must climb to make the club is this: the Dodgers are planning to use four outfielders on a regular basis, with Juan Pierre in left, Andruw Jones in center and Andre Ethier and Matt Kemp sharing time in right."

They are? Definitely? Who is his source for this plan? If it is purely his conjecture, shouldn't that be written a bit differently, e.g., "... appear to be planning ..."?

2008-03-06 23:54:24
126.   trainwreck
Maybe he does know some inside info. It would not surprise me if Ned and Joe thought this way.
2008-03-06 23:59:09
127.   ryu

Yeah, Shipp and Luc are definitely iffy pro prospects. projects them as second-rounders.

What about Drew Gordon? He's supposed to be a pretty good defense-and-rebounding big buy, no?

2008-03-06 23:59:54
128.   El Lay Dave
126 I'm not a journalist, but wouldn't he at least attribute that to an anonymous source in the organization.
2008-03-07 00:02:48
129.   trainwreck
127 is a really bad site. I would just ignore it.

Drew is a very athletic big with decent defense and rebounding, but he will only be a freshman and his offensive game is still pretty raw. Luc, Aboya, and Keefe are all pretty small for centers.

2008-03-07 00:04:41
130.   trainwreck
Maybe he expects us to trust him? I do not have a good answer for you, but it would really not surprise me if he was right. But then again, I am a cynic when it comes to Ned.
2008-03-07 00:07:53
131.   trainwreck
To add on...

UCLA has not gotten off to a good start with 2009 recruiting. Hopefully, we can get Anthony Stover. He would be a backup to Gordon and he is pretty raw himself.

2008-03-07 00:08:31
132.   bhsportsguy
111 It was not a great game for UCLA but they do what they do, grind out wins.

I'll take cheap win over a good loss any day.

Did anyone else catch Ned on DodgerTalk tonight around 6:50 p.m.

2 things, one, he said that the 5th starter battle could between Loiaza, Kuo (if healthy) and McDonald. Two, about the outfield, he said the best three guys should play. He didn't say which 3 are the best. Jon and I both agreed we did not know what that meant.

He said that the decisions about 3B, OF and 5th starter probably won't be decided until they finally return to LA just before Opening Day.

He also was skeptical about Andruw Jones claims about how is additional weight will not be a problem but he is giving Jones the veteran's benefit of the doubt.

2008-03-07 00:19:11
133.   trainwreck
How was the live crowd during the free throws? And how were you feeling during them?

I hope Kuo or McDonald get 5th starter spot. I have a known anti-Loaiza bias. It is obvious who I want in those other positions. I am glad that people are challenging Andruw to get in shape. It is pretty disappointing that he was so lazy that he came in overweight.

2008-03-07 00:25:57
134.   bhsportsguy
133 Man, my heart was beating hard, when Westbrook's bounced on the rim, you could hear everyone sigh and then cheer when it went in.

I can't say the crowd was into it the whole game but when UCLA made their final push, the crowd was there for them.

2008-03-07 00:58:58
135.   bigcpa
I was sitting behind the Bruin basket and it sure looked like Collison got stuffed on the final shot in regulation. The play of the game had to be the Westbrook putback on the Luc Richard missed FT.
2008-03-07 05:59:59
136.   Daniel Zappala
What killed Stanford was UCLA's offensive rebounding.
2008-03-07 06:23:11
137.   MollyKnight
Spoke to Eric Gagne for a while after he pitched yesterday. I'm always surprised by that accent. I'm so American it hurts. Sigh.
2008-03-07 06:24:01
138.   Sammy Maudlin
Happy 40th birthday to Mr. Jeff Kent!
2008-03-07 06:25:42
139.   MollyKnight
I would be nervous if Kershaw were rushed up to the big club this year, but at this point I'd honestly rather see him go every five days than Loaiza.
2008-03-07 07:06:02
140.   DodgerBakers
125 That was the part that got me too, Juan Pierre, not sharing time in right while Ethier and Kemp battle out who should be in right!? It makes no sense to me.

Maybe TJ could take Plaschke's spot. Just look at that first paragraph. If he had made a new paragraph after each sentence, it would be that perfect Plaschke-esk "poetry."

2008-03-07 07:23:35
141.   Disabled List
139 Unless the 5th starter situation totally degenerates into a circus, I'd rather see Kershaw continue on at AA. Thinking long-term, it's better for his development, and it keeps his service time clock at zero.
2008-03-07 07:52:36
142.   Jon Weisman
The Wall Street Journal writes about baseball blogs.

2008-03-07 07:53:30
143.   Gen3Blue
The conflict: Todays lineup has Matt Kemp as DH (Ethier in right. But somewhere at I'm sure I read that they were not using DH and Bills was going to hit for himself. Will this be the beginning of the JP squeeze?
2008-03-07 07:54:53
144.   Hythloday
It's a tough call. Felix Hernandez hasn't exactly struggled up in Seattle, but he also hasn't lit the world on fire like he was supposed to. I agree with DL I think that I would rather see the Minotaur get more seasoning in the minors without affecting his service time.
2008-03-07 07:59:59
145.   Hythloday
142 - Do you think Torre and Ned would go for fan votes setting the line-up?
2008-03-07 08:02:23
146.   Gen3Blue
144 you'll get more on Hernandez fron the link in 142. An interesting article Jon.
I'm afraid the Dodgers won't be in the forefront of this movement.
2008-03-07 08:11:40
147.   cargill06
sounds like the minotuar or whatever the hell you call him is in the running sooner than we think

2008-03-07 08:14:10
148.   LogikReader
For those of you who've been able to watch games on tv and at Vero:

How's Andruw looked at the plate? I don't mind if he's struggling out of the gate, but is he getting good at bats?

I wondered why, in October, I wrote down that I didn't want the Dodgers to sign Andruw Jones, and now I remember that I wanted to avoid a JP/Ethier "competition."

I also had a dream last night that Dodger Stadium became part of a large residential and shopping complex. In the dream, I was stuck in the complex and was trying so hard to get to the actual Dodger game. I never made it :(

2008-03-07 08:20:41
149.   BiggO
I thought Tony Jackson and Ken Gurnick were the same writer?? Jackson was also the same guy that was telling the fans that grittle would be our manager in 08. With the same certainty that he has with Pierre starting in left and Kemp and Ethier splitting time. Jackson is bitter beat writer that always complains.
2008-03-07 08:43:37
150.   Jim Hitchcock
0 That's it, Bob...I'm never returning my 2,189 overbooks now.
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2008-03-07 08:47:18
151.   Eric Stephen
I was reading about Jonathan Papelbon's new deal with the Red Sox ($775k), and came across this little nugget:

"Papelbon was initially believed to be looking for a one-year deal worth approximately $900,000, which would have shattered Rivera's mark and tied the all-time record for a pitcher with two-plus years worth of service time, set by starter Ismael Valdez of the Dodgers in 1997."

I never realized Ismael was such a trailblazer!

2008-03-07 08:53:14
152.   kinbote
151 Unfortunately, when he signed the contract, he was gripping the pen so tightly he developed a rather serious blister . . .
2008-03-07 08:59:20
153.   underdog
Colletti's mention of McDonald shocks me, because he hasn't pitched in a game yet this Spring and when I asked Josh about that he made it sound like, while he will pitch at some point, priority is for pitchers competing for a spot on the team. So basically they're conflicting with each other. I'd be tickled if they gave McDonald a shot, but it's a really odd way of going about it if they are.
2008-03-07 08:59:41
154.   kinbote
0 I'll take Venice Canals over Getty Center in the finals [sorry The Beach].
2008-03-07 09:01:56
155.   Eric Stephen
1996 Dodgers with 25+ GS
Hideo Nomo - 33 GS, 122 ERA+ (age 27)
Ismael Valdes - 33 GS, 117 ERA+ (age 22)
Pedro Martinez - 33 GS, 117 ERA+ (age 24)
Pedro Astacio - 32 GS, 113 ERA+ (age 26)
Ramon Martinez - 27 GS, 114 ERA+ (age 28)


2008-03-07 09:14:52
156.   blue22
82 - Still room in the league? Mind if I join?
2008-03-07 09:15:28
157.   jasonungar07
What's the over/under on Furcal proclaiming he is "not a number 2 hitter"

Furcal in 1100+ games has hit out of leadoff in only like 40 of them.

8 times in 2 hole last year he hit .167

it's his contract year...

2008-03-07 09:20:02
158.   Eric Stephen
Last year he hit like number 2. :)
2008-03-07 09:20:57
159.   old dodger fan
155 In 1996 Pedro was an Expo. Our 5th starter was Tom Candiotti who was 38 years old with an ERA+ of 87 in 27 GS. Chan Ho Park had 10 GS with an ERA+ of 107.
2008-03-07 09:28:04
160.   Gen3Blue
Darn that Jody Reed, or whoever it was.
2008-03-07 09:29:40
161.   ROC
My fear with Furcal hitting number 2 is that he may be asked to bunt more than if he led off. This helps to further diminish the little pop he has.

I know batting order shouldn't matter, except to managers who try to make it matter.

In the simulator I've been running, Furcal/Martin at the top produce the most runs...

2008-03-07 09:30:51
162.   Eric Stephen
In 1996 Pedro was an Expo

Thanks, I wasn't quite sure. :)

2008-03-07 09:32:28
163.   cargill06
161 that's what i've been saying, martin is the definition of a #2 hitter.
2008-03-07 09:44:18
164.   regfairfield
The Dodgers optimum lineup according to the lineup analysis tool and PECOTA projections. As we know, computers are never, ever wrong.


2008-03-07 09:44:25
165.   old dodger fan
Things just keep getting worse for the O's. Troy Patton done for the year! They were counting on him.
2008-03-07 09:44:43
166.   Jacob L
Sorry I'm late for bracket chat, but what a joke! I bought my guitar at McCabe's. Its a fun place to hang out, but did it seriously top the Hollywood Bowl. That's like a 15 seed over a 2 seed at least. I call Westside Bias!
2008-03-07 09:45:50
167.   old dodger fan
164 How different is that ranking from just ordering them by expected OBP?
2008-03-07 09:48:39
168.   Bob Timmermann
Yes, but the Central Library over Vin Scully is a 16 vs. 1 upset. Which has never happened in the men's tournament and just once in the women's tournament.

I'm too polite to mention which #1 seed in the women's tournament got bounced by a #16.

2008-03-07 09:49:20
169.   regfairfield
167 General forumla goes:

Good on base without much power
Best hitter
Weakest hitter with a decent on base
Best power hitter
Next three best hitters in order
Worst hitter
Second worst hitter

2008-03-07 09:49:22
170.   Jon Weisman
2008-03-07 09:53:58
171.   Jon Weisman
168 - We had a lot of injuries.

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