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Andy, Might I Suggest a Visit to
2008-03-08 17:15
by Jon Weisman

Spin City, take me away...

"You start rehab with video games," he said. "Not a bad rehab."

- Andy LaRoche to Ken Gurnick at

Comments (244)
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2008-03-08 17:18:19
1.   Bob Timmermann
Gas or rocket fuel?
2008-03-08 17:32:59
2.   68elcamino427
This makes me want to go play some more.
Do the sounds of those cars going around make you think of being in Dodger Stadium between innings? It does for me. And the winner is ... The blue Silverado!
2008-03-08 17:39:46
3.   Gen3Blue
I'm not sure it would be good to loose Andy at this age into
By the way, I'm looking at Hu's listings at
Baseball-reference (5"9", 152lb) during his minor league career and on the D's 40 man roster(5'11", 190lb.) I know these nos. are pretty flexible, and can make someone like Hu over 180, and someone like Andruw under 250. I also know that its rare, but someone in my family grew more than an inch after the age of twenty. I understand also that Hu worked to bulk up a bit in the last two winters.
So, does anyone who went to games in LA in September, or perhaps Vero Beach this year, have an opinion about what Hu's size really is?
2008-03-08 18:07:54
4.   Jon Weisman
Paul Oberjuerge is moving on:

2008-03-08 18:34:28
5.   Gen3Blue
For entertainement thread, I nominate Sci-Fi's Ogre for the worst reincarnation of "The Lottery". And that is a distinction, becuase there must be hundreds.
2008-03-08 18:44:03
6.   CeyHey10
As long as Andy doesn't spend too much time eating burgers at that Snack Bar, I'm all for Jon's suggestion.
2008-03-08 18:56:34
7.   Joe Pierre
I'm not a guy that believes in omens but it all started after Nomar was hit. One of the bloggers on ITD posted "LaRoche is our third baseman YES!!!" I had a feeling something bad was going to happen. I didn't know what it would be until LaRoche got drilled on Danny "Oddwaar's" pick off attempt. I spelled his name like that because I forgot the correct way and that's how it is pronounce. Earlier someone suggest we help the Mets, with all their outfield injuries problem by trading Pierre to them, while getting Mr Met in return. You know sooner or later you get punished. Here's wishing that a miracle strikes and Andy wakes up tomorrow morning and his thumb is back to normal and everything is honky dory.
2008-03-08 18:58:29
8.   Bob Timmermann
UCLA fans aren't listening to anyone telling them that Shipp's shot might not have counted:

2008-03-08 18:58:49
9.   Andrew Shimmin
2008-03-08 19:00:35
10.   Andrew Shimmin
8- Dick Vitale said the shot was good. Dick Vitale does commercials for Hooters.

You do the math.

2008-03-08 19:06:26
11.   Bob Timmermann
Wazzu beat UW in double overtime. So the Cougars finish third and Washington finishes eighth. The Huskies get to wear white jerseys when they play Cal on Wednesday.
2008-03-08 19:26:44
12.   Bluebleeder87
I know it's only ST but Loney looks mighty good in the early going...
2008-03-08 19:34:47
13.   Sam DC
What in the name of Choi is Erin Andrews wearing?

That belt looks like something out of Mad Max.

2008-03-08 19:36:17
14.   Bob Timmermann
Can't look up. Must service cars.
2008-03-08 19:39:47
15.   Daniel Zappala
Has anyone beaten my record of 630,000 yet? Or do I get to be king of Spin City among DT denizens?
2008-03-08 19:40:07
16.   LogikReader
UNC/Duke... am I wrong to prefer to play the Hot Wheels game over watching UNC/Duke?
2008-03-08 19:40:56
17.   LogikReader

In a few hours... I may have the new DT record =)

2008-03-08 19:43:04
18.   Bob Timmermann
I've never gotten close.

I think expand too quickly.

2008-03-08 19:46:27
19.   Bob Timmermann
Stupid dissatisfied customers! I hate them so much!
2008-03-08 19:47:53
20.   Bob Timmermann
If you don't appreciate UNC vs. Duke, you are not fit to be a basketball fan in the eyes of ESPN.
2008-03-08 19:51:42
21.   Daniel Zappala
I don't understand what's not exciting about UNC vs Duke. I saw some of it while in a restaurant tonight and it looked like a good game between two good teams.
2008-03-08 19:56:58
22.   Jon Weisman
I love how people blame their business practices rather than their manual dexterity.

For me, my business practices and my manual dexterity are perfect. But my computer messes up.

2008-03-08 20:00:03
23.   Daniel Zappala
17 You let me know, and then I'll beat that. :-)
2008-03-08 20:03:11
24.   LogikReader
If you don't appreciate UNC vs. Duke, you are not fit to be a basketball fan

As I read this I said "gee, I'm surprised to hear this from Bob." I thought the game would be ok, but it was overhyped.

in the eyes of ESPN.

Ah, now it makes sense!


Even so, I decided to check in, and UNC closed Duke out. Duke is so overrated it's not even funny.

Back to business. I've got cars to wash and tires to change!

2008-03-08 20:19:45
25.   Jon Weisman
23 - And then you can brag to your students!
2008-03-08 20:26:23
26.   dsfan
The only good thing about LaRoche's thumb injury is that it's his right thumb. Generally speaking, a hitter's bottom hand bears more stress than his top hand. Again, generally speaking. Yes, he throws with his right hand, but I don't think it requires great strength in the thumb to throw properly.

As for LaRoche being injury prone, I'm willing to be swayed, but it sure looks like he is. A couple of years before he signed witht he Dodgers, he had a really bad knee injury. He's also had recurring back problems, two significant shoulder injuries, one of which led to surgery, and now the thumb.

I am not saying he can't stay healthy, but it is a pretty gruesome run of injuries for a guy who's 23.

2008-03-08 20:29:56
27.   Jon Weisman
26 - It's like the difference between having been clutch and being a clutch hitter. There's no doubt LaRoche has been injury-prone - that doesn't mean it wasn't just a bad run of luck as opposed to anything to do with him personally.
2008-03-08 20:32:35
28.   Eric Stephen
Who needs Yao? :)

The Rockets won their 18th straight tonight, tying them for the 4th (I say 5th) longest streak in NBA history. Of the 6 (I say 7) teams that have won 18 straight or more, only the 1982 Celtics didn't win the title (losing in 7 games to the 76ers in the "Birth of 'Beat LA'" conference finals).

1972 Lakers - 33 straight
1971 Bucks - 20
2000 Lakers - 19
2001 Lakers - 19*
2008 Rockets - 18
1996 Bulls - 18
1982 Celtics - 18
1970 Knicks - 18

*I got the above list from SportsCenter, which didn't include the 2001 Lakers. That team won their final 8 games of the regular season then won their first 11 playoff games (losing to the 76ers in Game 1 of the Finals).

The 2000 Lakers had winning streaks of 19 and 16 games!

2008-03-08 20:34:46
29.   Bob Timmermann
What is that Oregon brings out in opponents. The game between the Ducks and the unnameds had to be stopped when Chase Budinger, in the words of Marques Johnson, "gave it up on the court."

And I don't think he was referring to virginity.

2008-03-08 20:37:57
30.   Gen3Blue
It's headed towards 1:00 am on the EC if you've already changed your clocks( don't forget). I guess I've spent a bit of time trying to figure out if most guys are injury prone or just unlucky. We can study Jason Werth, Repko, and Andy LaRoche. But it seems I am forgetting someone important.
Darn it.
2008-03-08 20:40:43
31.   Bob Timmermann
There are eight people in my office and we work in pretty close quarters. Seven of us got the flu. I didn't. And I didn't get a flu shot.

But who knows, one errant sneeze could have changed me from being the office Cal Ripken into the office Mike Hampton.

2008-03-08 20:40:49
32.   Jon Weisman
28 - Are people blaming the Suns' struggles on the Shaq trade or something else?
2008-03-08 20:42:06
33.   natepurcell
Every Plaschke Dodgers article is about the same thing.
2008-03-08 20:44:04
34.   JoeyP
What a crappy sport weekend...

I hate UCLA and I hate LaRoche getting hurt.

2008-03-08 20:46:42
35.   Eric Stephen
There was a wonderful article by John Hollinger on ESPN the other day about the Shaq trade and its aftermath.

To me, it was a risky trade to be sure, but I didn't think the Suns were going to win in the playoffs (they didn't match up well with the Spurs or Lakers) the way they are previously constructed. It sounds crazy since they had the best record in the conference at the time of the trade, but as Hollinger points out a lot of the gaudy record was built on a favorable schedule in their first 48 games.

On a Laker note, I think the division is already won (there, I've jinxed it). The only worry now is Bynum's health and how long it takes him and the team to adjust each other once he returns. Specifically, Pau Gasol won't play down low as much, where he has been effective thus far in the purple & gold.

2008-03-08 20:47:58
36.   Bob Timmermann
So you're saying that Gasol doesn't play well on the days when the Lakers wear white?
2008-03-08 20:50:38
37.   Joe Pierre
Don't forget to spring ahead one hour before retiring tonight in case anybody forgot.
2008-03-08 20:50:41
38.   Eric Stephen
I don't recognize those uniforms. They might as well stitch the names in white too!
2008-03-08 20:53:32
39.   Bob Timmermann
What about these white ones?

2008-03-08 20:54:17
40.   Eric Stephen
Those, or the powder blues, are outstanding. I stand partially corrected.
2008-03-08 21:03:16
41.   Joshua Worley
I think Hot Wheels should consider taking out a sidebar ad here. ;-)
2008-03-08 21:09:40
42.   Eric Stephen
If Oregon holds on, it will be a very interesting test for the selection committee next Sunday.

On one hand, Arizona will be 8-10 in conference, but is highly ranked by RPI (27 heading into today). They might have to beat Stanford on Thursday (assuming AZ gets past 0-18 OSU) to clinch a tourney spot.

Oregon will be 9-9 in conference (18-12 overall), and have a RPI of 57 heading into today. On Thursday, they play WSU, a team that has beaten them by nine twice this year.

ASU is 9-9 in conference (19-11 overall), and were 71st by RPI heading into today. They were listed as one of ESPN's Joe Lunardi's "last four in" in his recent bracket projection. They play USC Thursday, and might also need to win to get in. USC and ASU each had 14-point home court wins against one another.

2008-03-08 21:24:25
43.   CanuckDodger
33 -- If you are saying Plachke is a one-trick pony, I will just note that a pony is horse, not a jackass.
2008-03-08 21:27:13
44.   Bob Timmermann
The Pac-10 Tournament: a test to see if bhsportsguy and I will still be friends or if there will be a headline in the Times "Man kills friend, self at Staples Center."
2008-03-08 21:44:25
45.   Kevin Lewis
Just got a chance to watch the game today. It was one of those days where my wife and I were running errands from 10-4 and then I decided to install a new chandelier at the spur of the moment.

Great game, almost too fun to watch. I know it is only Spring Training, but why did we get Jones in the off season? I fully accept it is too early to tell, but he seems so flat on his swings. At this point I would be happy with an outfield of Ethier, Repko, Kemp.

I do not want to go anywhere near the hot wheels game again, but I probably will.

Jon, my computer messed up a lot too when I was playing. If I had too much going on, I couldn't select cars for 5 seconds at a time, and in this business that is 5 seconds too long.

2008-03-08 21:45:14
46.   Reddog
I'd really like to see Repko make the team this year. I still think he can be a very good every day starting outfielder. Does anyone think he has much chance with the Dodgers?
2008-03-08 21:50:32
47.   Eric Stephen
Cookies heal all wounds.
2008-03-08 23:12:57
48.   fanerman
47 Thanks for reminding me. I was really itching for a cookie today.
2008-03-08 23:15:52
49.   Dodgers49

>> Also listed to pitch for the Dodgers are James McDonald, Brian Falkenborg and Matt Riley. McDonald is making his spring debut after missing a week with a tired arm. <<

2008-03-08 23:17:05
50.   LogikReader
408,930. That's the best I could do.

Advice to everybody: DO NOT open the repair shop. arrrrrrgh!

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2008-03-09 05:11:46
51.   Retire 55

Another awful Plaschke column which ensures we'll be hearing much more about the already overblown "divided clubhouse" meme. He just can't resist the urge to define a negative narrative, rather than interpret the facts of what's happening with the club.

There are so many interesting angles that you could take to cover the Dodgers. This blog is a fine example.

A better columnist would help us get to know the Loneys and the Martins and give us a better view of the beginnings of their promising careers.

Instead, the L.A. Times gives us Bill Plaschke, who disdains this franchise, and who regards its fans with contempt.

Usually, I lament the dark future for the newspaper business. But when I log onto to read about the Dodgers, I feel like it isn't dying fast enough.

2008-03-09 07:05:26
52.   Daniel Zappala
50 My score was with the repair shop open, but I made sure to put cars there first if they needed repairs.
2008-03-09 07:58:20
53.   Bumsrap
46 - I'd really like to see Repko make the team this year. I still think he can be a very good every day starting outfielder. Does anyone think he has much chance with the Dodgers?

That question might be answered by A. Jones combined with Repko's ability to stay healthy. Repko would be a very good centerfielder, base stealer, and maybe even an offensive force. But, everybody has probably played with someone that loses contact with their surroundings when going after a fly ball making a fun game dangerous.

2008-03-09 08:03:33
54.   Bumsrap
As far as depth goes at third, Young and Repko might eventually get a shot there while Hu and Abrue are used short-term to give Nomar a rest. The long-shot to start there this year would have to be Dewitt however.
2008-03-09 08:19:59
55.   brookster1967
54 I had heard about Hu and Abreu filling in for the short term as third. I had not seen anything about Repko. Has Repko ever played the infield in his professional career?
2008-03-09 08:40:10
56.   silverwidow
Torii Hunter has a 2.158 OPS this spring. I wonder if we made the wrong decision...
2008-03-09 08:46:15
57.   underdog
He was a ss to start.
So i hurt my wrist playing a game on the wii yesterday and switched to hot wheels soon after. Then i thought of andy.
2008-03-09 08:52:07
58.   Jon Weisman
Okay, I'm having my best game. I've got all spots open and maxed out, and I've got 436,000 points with $218,000 in the bank to invest in customer satisfaction. My only hurdle now is to keep from going from 100% to 0% satisfaction in a given day.
2008-03-09 08:54:49
59.   Jon Weisman
And remembering to buy my satisfaction points after bragging about my score! ARRGGHHHHHH!!!!!
2008-03-09 08:55:03
60.   underdog
58 I did that last night. Had 100% and then went down the tubes the next day when I lost control of everything. If you space at all during the game you're toast.

Btw, the Wii game I was playing was Raving Rabbids, which is hysterical, but between that and Hot Wheels makes me wonder if I'm regressing. But it really loosens me up. I think Bill Plashcke needs to play some Raving Rabbids, and then he won't be such a...

Anyway! Off to play in the world's sleepiest soccer game, post DST.

2008-03-09 08:58:43
61.   scareduck
56 - I was asking myself that same question yeterday. The new Baseball Prospectus arrived yesterday -- for whatever stupid reason, my preorder failed to "take" at Amazon and I had to manually order it. The author of the Angels section said that for the second time in two seasons, the Angels didn't even get the best available free agent center fielder, implying that Andruw Jones would have been a better haul. I'm not so sure; it's possible Jones really has fallen off the cliff. But we'll see.
2008-03-09 09:03:14
62.   underdog
I'd prefer Jones to Hunter, actually, bigger potential upside and he's younger. (Assuming, yeah, he doesn't just keep ballooning up and completely tank.) Hunter vs. Pierre is another matter, but that wasn't the same option.

Okay, yawn, here I go. I'm just going to visualize the ball as Plaschke's head.

2008-03-09 09:13:49
63.   bhsportsguy
Jon, just had a chance to watch Spidey, good show.

A few things, that is the most attractive Aunt May has ever looked (Stan Lee once said that they would never "kill off" Aunt May because she was easiest one to draw), that's the nerdiest Gwen Stacy has ever looked (I guess go-go boots and mini-skirts are no longer in style).

But the stories were good and again it is in the spirit of the original book, so I enjoyed it.

2008-03-09 09:20:34
64.   Frip

I'm not a guy that believes in omens but it all started after Nomar was hit. One of the bloggers on ITD posted "LaRoche is our third baseman YES!!!" I had a feeling something bad was going to happen...

Why not just begin by saying "I am a guy that believes in omens..."

2008-03-09 09:22:15
65.   GoBears
I really don't get why you guys keep reading Plaschke. Have you ever actually learned anything from his column that you wanted to know? Are you eternal optimists, hoping against hope that he'll wake up one morning with talent and a new attitude? I don't know if ignoring him will lead to his dismissal from the Times, but it certainly makes him "go away" for the person doing the ignoring.

Ignorance (of his latest drool) really is bliss.

Follow me to Freedom!

-GoBears, plaschke-free for years.

2008-03-09 09:37:01
66.   Eric Stephen
In the current MLB salary structure, players with under 3 years service time technically have no say in their salary. They can negotiate with the club, but the club can simply renew the contract at a salary the club sees fit.

As you can imagine, this can create acrimony, especially with very talented young players. Recently, young stars such as Prince Fielder, Cole Hamels, Nick Markakis and Jonathan Papelbon have expressed dissatisfaction with the salary system during their contract negotiations. A lot of this is due to the Ryan Howard arbitration decision, awarding a $10m salary to a player with just under 3 years service time, far outpacing previous standards.

Imagine my surprise when I saw a blurb about a player not angry with his contract being renewed:

Agent Jeff Berry, who represents outfielder Chris Young, on Young's 2008 contract being renewed, not agreed to: "It's simply a difference of opinion on the player's current value. There are absolutely no hard feelings and we fully respect the club's collectively bargained right to unilaterally renew the contract. The renewal is a complete non-issue and non-story."

Chris Young had a superficially good season last year (32 HR, 27 SB, reputation as a good defensive CF), so it wouldn't be out of line for him to wonder why he wouldn't get paid more than the $406,000 he's due in 2008. It's nice to see the flip side of the norm.

Incidentally, this was in an article by Nick Piecroro of the Arizona Republic. He's a really good beat writer who writes without an agenda. Must be nice (actually, Diamond Leung and Dylan Hernandez are OK).

2008-03-09 09:39:56
67.   Eric Stephen
I generally avoid Plaschke like the plaque, but every once in a while I like to fuel the hatred.
2008-03-09 09:42:29
68.   Kevin Lewis
I only read Plaschke so I can know what the general public might be taking as "fact". It really does prepare me for some of the responses or concerns that come up in general conversation with the typical fan.
2008-03-09 09:48:23
69.   Bluebleeder87
Do sports writers have contracts or something? why don't they just let him go...
2008-03-09 09:49:27
70.   gpellamjr
64 Do you hate everyone who posts here?

I only hate a few people here, and one-by-one they've been dropping off.

2008-03-09 09:50:37
71.   KG16
I sort of take the approach of "know thy enemy" when it comes to Plaschke. Like Kevin, it's good to know what the ordinary fan is being told, but more importantly, for whatever reason guys like Plaschke get to define the narrative.

When it comes to PR, defining the narrative is the most important thing you can do because it sets the terms for the debate/discussion. Plashcke's constant yammering defines too much of the discussion when it comes to the Dodgers. I'm just glad he doesn't have that kind of control when it comes to the Lakers (the support is too great for him to control).

2008-03-09 09:52:28
72.   MyTummyHurts
Bill Plaschke, the Juan Pierre of sports writers.
2008-03-09 09:54:16
73.   gpellamjr
Was 2004 Juan Pierre's best year? His OBP was excellent and he slugged around .400. I don't know how SBs should be weighted, but he got caught a lot that year.
2008-03-09 09:56:53
74.   KG16
73 - I'd say '01 or '04, both very good, relatively speaking.
2008-03-09 09:58:01
75.   silverwidow

Must...calm...down. Must...calm...down...

2008-03-09 09:59:27
76.   KG16
Speaking of Pierre, anyone know how many of his 12 career HRs were of the inside the park variety? I'm guessing playing in the days of the giant Coors Field and then in Florida, that most would be.
2008-03-09 10:04:26
77.   gpellamjr
74 Yeah, I kind of ignored '01 because it was in pre-humidor Coors. But how much does his SB/CS ration affect his performance?
2008-03-09 10:06:42
78.   Lexinthedena
Did not know Larry King was a Dodger fan.
2008-03-09 10:10:55
79.   Bluebleeder87
Is Jaime Jarrin going to the army or what???

but seriously, hearing Jaime reminds me so much of my child hood.

2008-03-09 10:11:20
80.   Eric Stephen
Only one of the 12 were of the inside the park variety, off Craig Dingman at Comerica Park 6/13/04.

2008-03-09 10:11:30
81.   Bob Timmermann
If you ever see something on TV where they need to talk to a Brooklyn resident about 1951, Larry King is the "go to" guy.
2008-03-09 10:12:16
82.   Lexinthedena
My first time hearing Vin this year...nothing compares.
2008-03-09 10:13:50
83.   Bob Timmermann
Well, you haven't been to the LA Central Library recently.
2008-03-09 10:13:53
84.   Ken Noe
Maybe I'm just deluding myself, but I notice that Torre found another way today to get Ethier into the game today, even with JP in left. Maybe he's learning.
2008-03-09 10:14:17
85.   Bluebleeder87

oh yeah, he & his wife were wearing matching Dodger shirts last year on opening day from what I remember.

2008-03-09 10:16:20
86.   PalmdaleSteve1
Nothing like Vin with that, "It's time for Dodgers Baseball" call. Best part of any Dodger game in my view.
2008-03-09 10:18:06
87.   Bob Timmermann
I liked trying to listen to Jaime Jarrin call Dodger games because he is very easy to listen to. He has very good enunciation. It helps my Gringo ears.
2008-03-09 10:20:31
88.   scareduck
Something to post near the Dodger Stadium outfield exits ...

2008-03-09 10:21:02
89.   Disabled List
75 Where are you getting that Kershaw is pitching today? According to the Dodgers website, today is gonna be Loaiza, McDonald, Falkenborg and Riley.
2008-03-09 10:23:03
90.   Bob Timmermann
You didn't tell me Falkenborg is pitching? Now, my day is complete!
2008-03-09 10:25:04
91.   CodyS
I forgot Repko was a shortstop. They switched him because he made literally one error every two games.
2008-03-09 10:26:37
92.   berkowit28
And what happened to Matsuzaka, as advertised? Anyone see or hear anything about that, on Red Sox sites?
2008-03-09 10:29:29
93.   berkowit28
oh, there he is. OK.
2008-03-09 10:29:47
94.   Bob Timmermann
Nothing happened to Matsuzaka.
2008-03-09 10:31:49
95.   LogikReader

Man, this hot wheels game is very time consuming.

2008-03-09 10:35:07
96.   overkill94
Loaiza actually looked pretty good in that first inning except for the one pitch to Cora. He doesn't seem to be throwing all that hard, but he's hitting his spots pretty well and his off-speed has pretty good movement.
2008-03-09 10:36:00
97.   LogikReader
I forgot there was another Dodgers KCAL game on today. Oh wow, there's Dice-K right now!
2008-03-09 10:39:38
98.   overkill94
2008-03-09 10:40:18
99.   LogikReader
HOLY SMOKES!! Bison SMACKED that one.
2008-03-09 10:40:20
100.   Michael D
The Bison is bad, bad man! No doubt about it HR!
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2008-03-09 10:40:33
101.   Eric Stephen
That sign can be used in Vero today!

"Every day in every way, Matt Kemp impresses."
-Vin Scully

2008-03-09 10:40:44
102.   GMac In The 909
That settles it; I am getting a BISON 27 jersey.
2008-03-09 10:41:09
103.   Bluebleeder87
A. Jones & Matt Kemp have the same body types (IMO) & you can just tell Matt Kemp really put in his work this off-season, wow he looks good.
2008-03-09 10:44:25
104.   Gen3Blue
Amazing--I was just thinking Kemp could do that to aid his cause and Bingo.
2008-03-09 10:45:34
105.   Bob Timmermann
Is there someone else in your house who will take out the trash?
2008-03-09 10:45:46
106.   KG16
77 - It would seem that the value of stolen bases are up for debate. I would say a percentage above 70% is good, once you get to about 20 SBs

80 - I have to admit that is many fewer than I'd have figured

2008-03-09 10:52:15
107.   Bluebleeder87
old friend alert in Joe Thurston.
2008-03-09 10:54:12
108.   Michael D
Hu's on first with a single.
2008-03-09 10:55:52
109.   Michael D
Hu's on second with a steal after Lucille II misses the hit part of the hit and run.
2008-03-09 10:56:31
110.   KG16
Hu will be taking grounders at third as well as second according to the times

Also nice steal by Hu

2008-03-09 11:03:44
111.   overkill94
Is that their new slogan for the year - "We're all Dodgers"?
2008-03-09 11:04:17
112.   Bluebleeder87
it will be interesting to see what other pitchers make appearances today, I'd love to see what's doing with Yhency Brazoban.
2008-03-09 11:08:12
113.   Hallux Valgus
I'm a few minutes behind in the game, but Hu's slide into second was almost Willie Mays Hayes style, in that he barely made it to the base.
2008-03-09 11:08:45
114.   overkill94
Oh Russell, how I love thee
2008-03-09 11:09:07
115.   KG16
whoa great pick off by Martin
2008-03-09 11:13:17
116.   LogikReader
We sure are playing the Red Sox a lot this year.

World Series Preview.....?

2008-03-09 11:13:21
117.   Lexinthedena
Martin went all Benito on us...nice...
2008-03-09 11:14:26
118.   berkowit28
And great tag by Loney too. Big difference from last inning when Boston couldn't pick off second base - the throw was in time, but the tag wasn't.
2008-03-09 11:14:56
119.   hotblackdesiato
Pierre's best season by EqA was 2004, with 2003 slightly behind. His stolen bases in 04 were undoubtedly a net negative, but he was so much better with the bat that it outweighed his worse baserunning (and shows how much more important hitting ability is).

He topped a .270 EqA in both of those seasons, which were the only two times in his career that he even reached the .260 mark.

Ethier's career EqA is .274.

2008-03-09 11:14:57
120.   bhsportsguy
220,000 and it drove me crazy. I don't know how you guys do it.
2008-03-09 11:15:08
121.   Hallux Valgus
I don't like how Vin just mentioned the "sell out crowd" and half of the fans in the shot looked to be Red Sox fans. Stupid Red Sox fans
2008-03-09 11:16:33
122.   KG16
Loazia is making his case today - maybe he won't turn out to be a terrible pick up
2008-03-09 11:18:43
123.   Hallux Valgus
Also, I really want to see satin uniforms
2008-03-09 11:18:51
124.   Disabled List
121 You think it's bad now, wait until that exhibition series with the Red Sox in LA at the end of March. I'm afraid the Coliseum game is going to look like Fenway Park on steroids.
2008-03-09 11:21:04
125.   Lexinthedena
124 I'm worried about our Angelino brothers and sisters turning hooligan on the Red Sox frat boys....
2008-03-09 11:22:08
126.   LogikReader

I think the secret is to try to get the music shop going and AVOID opening the repair shop at all costs. There's other secrets, but I cannot reveal them.

2008-03-09 11:22:15
127.   Hallux Valgus
124 I know. That game is on my birthday, and I thought about going, but the tickets offered to me involved going with a Red Sox fan. I jst didn't think I could take it.

On another uniform not- the Dodgers seem to have a mesh panel in the underarm are. I noticed that the Cards had the same thing yesterday. Is this going to be part of the new jerseys? or is it just for Spring?

2008-03-09 11:22:18
128.   Bob Timmermann
C'mon! Be nice to Ben Affleck!
2008-03-09 11:22:24
129.   KG16
26 farm clubs? Could you imagine trying to keep up with all those prospects?
2008-03-09 11:24:47
130.   Bob Timmermann
You don't think you could keep track of 800 prospects?

I think CanuckDodger knows 800 prospects off the top of his head throughout baseball.

And he has them ranked.

2008-03-09 11:27:38
131.   Bob Timmermann
I do wonder though if all of the 800 guys in camp had to show ID when they checked in. Couldn't they just go in and say "I'm Joe Jones and I play at Class D Podunk. I'm an outfielder."

"OK, Barrack #10"

2008-03-09 11:27:43
132.   KG16
130 I can barely keep track of the 40 manroster
2008-03-09 11:28:13
133.   Lexinthedena
130 Maybe you and the South Pas Gold Line protestors can go and form a Gaurdian Angels peace keeping team:)
2008-03-09 11:29:58
134.   Bob Timmermann
The South Pas Gold Line protesters always try to operate silently.

Fortunately, the no swearing ban in South Pasadena is over.

2008-03-09 11:31:06
135.   Hallux Valgus
gak! Minotaur!
2008-03-09 11:31:08
136.   overkill94
Oh happy day
2008-03-09 11:32:27
137.   underdog
128 Jimmy Kimmel's nice to Ben Affleck.

Man, my soccer team lost 6-5 today and was bounced from playoff contention with one game remaining. 2 of our women flaked because of the time change. Sigh. And not even a Dodger exhibition victory would make up for it.

A nice long nap would, however.

2008-03-09 11:33:12
138.   Lexinthedena
This is a treat. I had no idea i'd being seeing the mythic one.
2008-03-09 11:33:14
139.   underdog
What the...??! But he doesn't exist! I guess that's why he wasn't listed on the schedule.
2008-03-09 11:34:03
140.   Hallux Valgus
he looks like he's wearing one of those old timey gloves without the webbing. And JEEEZ!!
2008-03-09 11:34:14
141.   overkill94
Man, I wish they had radar gun readings for this game. Looks like Clayton's at least up around 93 for today.

Wow, that curveball was WICKED

2008-03-09 11:34:39
142.   Bob Timmermann
Since we changed our clocks today, I guess that was a 1 to 7 curve ball.
2008-03-09 11:34:42
143.   Michael D
Holy rule 1 violation minotaurs sure do have nasty curveballs.
2008-03-09 11:35:09
144.   ucladodger
Oh my wow, that was sick.
2008-03-09 11:35:17
145.   skybluestoday
Holy cow! Awesome inning by Kershaw. Poor Casey just got his muppet kicked!
2008-03-09 11:35:17
146.   underdog
I take it back, Kershaw does cheer me up immensely.
2008-03-09 11:35:40
147.   Lexinthedena
Wow!...Now I see what all the hype is about. Unbelievable.
2008-03-09 11:35:57
148.   Eric Stephen
Rick & Charley were sufficiently impressed by the mythical creature.
2008-03-09 11:37:08
149.   Retire 55
He's incredible
2008-03-09 11:38:27
150.   Hallux Valgus
I almost wish he didn't look that good. That inning is all I will think about when I'm stuck watching Sturtze or Loaiza.
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2008-03-09 11:38:57
151.   Bluebleeder87
I was glued to the T.V. that Kershaw kid looks promising...
2008-03-09 11:39:27
152.   Kevin Lewis
Wow. I don't think I have seen him pitch yet, but wow!

What a great day...Martin, Loney and Kemp get the offense going and Kershaw makes Casey look silly.

Oh, I did like Loiza's outing...hopefully a sign of things to come.

2008-03-09 11:39:42
153.   Michael D
The best thing about the curve is you could hear the crowd go "oooh" when they saw it. Just about everybody was mesmerized by that beautiful curve.
2008-03-09 11:40:48
154.   Bluebleeder87
95+, nasty nasty curve & HE'S LEFTY...
2008-03-09 11:41:45
155.   overkill94
Please tell me they're going to let the mythical one pitch another inning
2008-03-09 11:44:03
156.   Icaros
I thought I might get to see the Minotaur when I'm in Jacksonville mid-April, but maybe that won't be possible after all.
2008-03-09 11:45:40
157.   Bluebleeder87
You know what though, I really feel the Dodgers are gambling with house money IF they rush him, I really think EVERYBODY WINS if they keep him in the minors for at least half the season, see were he's at then...
2008-03-09 11:46:18
158.   underdog
156 What pray tell brings you to Jacksonville?

What inning does McDonald come in? Don't want to forget about him either.

2008-03-09 11:46:34
159.   Hallux Valgus
KCAL just put up an advertisement for a game we are currently watching that started almost 2 hours ago.
2008-03-09 11:47:34
160.   overkill94
Well, McDonald is a nice consolation prize I suppose
2008-03-09 11:47:49
161.   Hallux Valgus
158 ask and ye shall receive
2008-03-09 11:48:07
162.   Bob Timmermann
How do you know that you haven't gone back in time? Check to see if there's a small injection mark on your neck.
2008-03-09 11:48:08
163.   underdog
So assuming the Minotaur doesn't start the season with the big club, would you put him back in AA or AAA? I assume the former since the PCL is tough on pitchers, but maybe he'd fare just as well there as anywhere. I'd bet on AA, though, followed by a call up to the majors in mid-season when Loiaza reverts to form and if Schmidt isn't healthy enough.
2008-03-09 11:48:46
164.   Bluebleeder87
Poor McDonald had to fallow Kershaw, man that ain't cool, I would have pitched McDonald first then Kershaw.
2008-03-09 11:48:50
165.   overkill94
Hmmm, McDonald's arm angle is much more over-the-top than I remember when I saw him in person. At least it gives him a really good downward plane on the ball like Penny.
2008-03-09 11:49:33
166.   underdog
Ah, and there is.

And there's the first hit against him.

2008-03-09 11:49:57
167.   Hallux Valgus
162 maybe you're right. If that's the case, I've got some predictions...
2008-03-09 11:50:23
168.   Michael D
So this is what having a good arm in the outfield is like.
2008-03-09 11:50:29
169.   overkill94
Silly catchers; did he think Pierre was playing RF or something?
2008-03-09 11:50:45
170.   Icaros

Visiting family in South Carolina, so we're going to take a trip down to Jax and stay a night in Savannah, GA on the way.

2008-03-09 11:52:02
171.   overkill94
This McDonald kid sure knows how to get outs!
2008-03-09 11:52:02
172.   ucladodger
Interesting inning so far for James.
2008-03-09 11:52:07
173.   Hallux Valgus
My scouting report on McDonald:
He makes runners do stupid things.
2008-03-09 11:53:27
174.   KG16
someone should write a column about baserunning errors tearing the red sox apart
2008-03-09 11:56:31
175.   overkill94
Pierre must have forgotten to throw balls up in the air in front of the plate before the game to see where he could pop a bunt up and still get a hit
2008-03-09 11:57:57
176.   berkowit28
174 Right.

Well, at least Pierre can still catch popups. That's about it, though- here he goes again with his own popup.

2008-03-09 11:58:40
177.   Sub4Era
seems like McDonald is keeping the curveball up alot.
2008-03-09 12:05:40
178.   Hallux Valgus
HEY- David Aardsma! He was an archrival of ours in high school. Wish he was doing better in his career.
2008-03-09 12:06:12
179.   Lexinthedena
Vin is really giving it to Andruw.
2008-03-09 12:06:33
180.   silverwidow
Jones looks terrible. Sorry.
2008-03-09 12:09:19
181.   ucladodger
That was a terrible call.
2008-03-09 12:09:20
182.   overkill94
178 At least he's in the record the guy with the first name alphabetically for baseball players
2008-03-09 12:10:59
183.   PalmdaleSteve1
When will the "Bring me the Head of Juan Pierre" club start in on Jabba the Hutt Jones?
2008-03-09 12:12:11
184.   gpellamjr
183 Not during spring training, I imagine.
2008-03-09 12:12:33
185.   overkill94
Wow, Miller Time threw three strikes in a row!
2008-03-09 12:13:45
186.   Sub4Era
183 - When he slugs less than 400.
2008-03-09 12:13:46
187.   KG16
Hey, Greg Miller on the hill now, very cool... and a mention for my alma mater, even better.

183 - some time around the point when Jones is hitting .285 with no home runs and ten extra base hits.

2008-03-09 12:14:44
188.   eusmus
183 The day he lets Emilio Bonifacio take second base on a hard hit single up the middle.
2008-03-09 12:14:56
189.   Icaros

When they have to start sending out three cutoff men to get a ball in from CF.

2008-03-09 12:15:49
190.   Eric Stephen
It would be nice of the Suns to beat the Spurs this afternoon.
2008-03-09 12:17:24
191.   Icaros

I'm torn on who to root for. I love watching Phoenix lose. I also don't want to face Golden State in the first round, especially minus Trevor Ariza.

2008-03-09 12:17:35
192.   PalmdaleSteve1

I was thinking more along the lines of when he does his first interview from the "All you can eat" seats at Dodger Stadium.

2008-03-09 12:18:01
193.   KG16
190 - I was wondering how I'm suppose to root in that game. Right now my second and third favorite teams are whoever is playing the Spurs and Suns. But since the Suns made the best trade in Lakers' history, I'm not so sure.
2008-03-09 12:19:24
194.   Dodgers49
From Diamond Leung:

>> Teenage sensation Clayton Kershaw will come out of the bullpen again today, but Manager Joe Torre wanted to make clear that he is not under consideration to make the team out of spring training. <<

## Also, Torre reiterated that Hong-Chih Kuo at this time is not a candidate to be the fifth starter and is looked upon as a possible second left-hander out of the bullpen. Those who will push Esteban Loaiza are Jason Johnson, Chan Ho Park and Eric Stults. ##

2008-03-09 12:21:29
195.   natepurcell
So this is my punishment for sleeping Minotaur.
2008-03-09 12:21:47
196.   Hallux Valgus
194 that second part seems almost insulting. Kuo isn't an option but Johnson and Park are?
2008-03-09 12:22:09
197.   berkowit28
Miller did get a strike when it mattered.
2008-03-09 12:23:54
198.   Eric Stephen
Is Trevor Ariza out for the season? I thought he was due back in the next few weeks.

191 ,193
I'm rooting for the Suns today because the Spurs pose the biggest threat to the Lakers in the playoffs, and I'd like the Lakers to have home court should they match up. I love watching the Suns play as well, or at least there pre-Shaq philosophy. Actually, I still like Shaq a great deal, so their still the non-Laker team I like to watch the most.

2008-03-09 12:25:15
199.   LogikReader
Eric, KG.

This is a tough one! I guess I'll root for the Suns today. By the way, what Suns trade is KG referring to as "the best in Lakers history?" I am guessing not the Shaq trade...

2008-03-09 12:25:32
200.   Eric Stephen
I wonder if it has to do more with Kuo's fragility. He might be more likely to make the club as a reliever (the long man in the pen), so they are preparing him for the role now.
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2008-03-09 12:27:04
201.   Eric Stephen
I assumed he meant Club Ced for towel thrower Robert Horry in January 1997. :)
2008-03-09 12:27:51
202.   Hallux Valgus
201 HA. actually, that was my first thought as well.
2008-03-09 12:29:46
203.   Icaros

Ariza is still in a boot. He'll be lucky to make it back mid-playoffs, according to recent reports.

I hate the Suns and O'Neal. Also, Mike D'Antoni is an insecure, whiny little man.

2008-03-09 12:31:23
204.   Hallux Valgus
200 Is he less likely to get injured as a reliever? I don't know. I just always hate hearing about the limiting of competition, especially with guys who have nothing further to prove in the minors. I can understand saying that Kershaw isn't an option, but not eliminating Kuo in deference to Jason Johnson. Even if you just say he's a candidate to the press.
2008-03-09 12:36:31
205.   KG16
199 - heh, actually, I was talking about the Shaq trade. Marion was always the toughest guy for the Lakers to deal with in the playoffs. But now they've got an old, overweight Shaq who doesn't fit into their system and is a shell of his former self.
2008-03-09 12:37:54
206.   LogikReader

That makes sense. I thought the Gasol trade was pretty good too.

2008-03-09 12:41:36
207.   Eric Stephen
I agree with you. I'd like to see Kuo as a starter as well. I was just trying to speculate as to what Torre/Ned are thinking. Since Kuo is out of options, come March 31 he will:

a) be in the starting rotation (option just ruled out)
b) be in the bullpen
c) be on the DL
d) be waived and claimed by another team
e) clear waivers and be sent to Vegas (highly unlikely he will clear waivers)

2008-03-09 12:43:44
208.   Eric Stephen
Shouldn't the jerseys in Phoenix read "Los Soles" and "Los Espuelas"?
2008-03-09 12:44:32
209.   KG16
206 - in all seriousness, I would actually call the trade that got the Lakers the No 1 pick (resulting in Big Game James Worthy) the best trade in franchise history. Gasol is probably number 2.
2008-03-09 12:45:13
210.   Frip
Hmm, to watch Predator II on TNT with Danny "Zero Charisma" Glover as Schwarzenegger, or Dodger pre-season game?
2008-03-09 12:45:42
211.   LogikReader
I just saw the Dodgers "When Did You Fall in Love With Baseball" promo. Is it ok to say that was sappy?

Ok, that was sappy.

2008-03-09 12:46:32
212.   fanerman
209 Vlade for Kobe has to be somewhere up there.

I wish I were in SoCal so I could have seen the mythical one.

2008-03-09 12:48:10
213.   KG16
212 - geez, can't believe I forgot that one; or the trade for Wilt.
2008-03-09 12:49:03
214.   overkill94
Man, that was a pretty quick game - right around 2 1/2 hours
2008-03-09 12:49:14
215.   Hallux Valgus
207 I agree completely with that. But I feel, for the best of the Dodgers, it's:
A, B, or E.

When you functionally eliminate A, and E seems extremely unlikely, it just looks like you're backing yourself in a corner. Hell- even just to build him up for a potential trade (note: I'm no big Kuo fan, either).

Game over, Mike Koplove with a called 3rd strike.

2008-03-09 12:50:53
216.   Bob Timmermann
The Spanish language press actually calls the two teams "Los Suns" and "Los Spurs".
2008-03-09 12:51:23
217.   fanerman
What's the occasion for the "Los"?
2008-03-09 12:52:13
218.   Eric Stephen
The Gasol trade is way, way down the list of great Laker trades. Off the top of my head:

1) Bridgeman, Meyers, et al for Kareem
2) Imhoff, etc for Wilt
3) Don Ford, etc for #1 (Worthy)
4) Magic (technically compensation for Gail Goodrich signing with New Orleans)
5) Vlade for Kobe
6) Norm Nixon for Byron Scott

2008-03-09 12:52:39
219.   Bob Timmermann
It's "Fiesta Sunday" in Phoenix, sponsored by the Arizona Lottery.
2008-03-09 12:54:37
220.   Eric Stephen
Probably due to the formal names. I still think it would be cool my way!
2008-03-09 12:55:10
221.   KG16
218 - I'll say that it's too early to rate the Gasol trade, but I can see it being better than Nixon for Scott... if the Lakers go on another run over the next few years.

Otherwise, your list is pretty solid.

2008-03-09 12:56:12
222.   Bob Timmermann
However, La Opinion changes around baseball team names a lot.

Por ejemplo, las Medias Rojas o las Medias Blancas or los Cachorros or los Azulejos o los Gigantes.

2008-03-09 12:59:10
223.   ToyCannon
I hope that wasn't a ranking because without number 4, number 1 and 3 don't mean squat.
2008-03-09 13:05:43
224.   Dodgers49
A Tony Jackson column:

Dodgers look for a 3rd choice

2008-03-09 13:06:46
225.   old dodger fan
66 Ryan Zimmerman just signed for $465k though he wanted a multi year deal. He said, "It's all part of the system. I'm not upset by any means. They have control for 3 years and that's just how it goes. Many people before me have done it the same way. There's no hard feelings either way."
2008-03-09 13:26:16
226.   Eric Stephen
It wasn't a ranking. I should have used bullets! :)
2008-03-09 13:35:45
227.   fanerman
224 Nice to see Hu and Young taking grounders at 3rd.
2008-03-09 13:38:12
228.   LAT
Daniel Zappala = Billy Mitchell
Jon Weisman = Steve Wiebe
Bob Timmermann = Walter Day
Dodger Thoughts = Funspot Arcade
2008-03-09 13:38:27
229.   kachang
Hello all
Just back from the game in Vero and sorry if this is retreading over stuff above but just wanted to say a couple things...
- Kemp's shot was very impressive as there was a pretty stiff breeze knocking everything else down that was hit to left. It completely cleared the berm!
- Kershaw does look very free and easy while throwing heavy heavy fastballs. I was giddy with excitement.
- Red Sox nation is growing and growing. I was surrounded by an entire section of them behind the first base dugout. Unfortunate, as they are also increasing in their level of annoyance.

Hope you all enjoyed the shutout win - it was a beautiful, though windy, day in Vero.

2008-03-09 13:47:57
230.   Gen3Blue
The only way I got any live coverage was while driving around with very poor reception of a Boston radio station. So actually I only heard a few segments of several minutes each. This actually was effective in finding out what impressed the Sox announcers They talked a lot about Kershaw, and they were very impressed with Russell Martin. This was after the inning McDonald pitched, but they also mentioned an early pick-off he made at first.
2008-03-09 13:52:50
231.   fanerman
229 Man. You got to see a Kemp home run and the mythical one in the same game. That must have been awesome.
2008-03-09 14:00:14
232.   Bob Timmermann
And now Kershaw will stay in the big league camp for the rest of spring training.

Will he get a jersey with his name on it?

2008-03-09 14:11:04
233.   kachang
231 Yeah - the Bison, the Minotaur, and the Golden God all in one game. Plus, it was great seeing some of the kids in person...Hu, McDonald, DeWitt, De Jesus, Young. All around one of my best Dodger experiences (I live in NYC so I don't get many of these).
2008-03-09 14:32:27
234.   natepurcell
I just watched Kershaw's inning.

That was a disgusting deuce to Casey.

2008-03-09 14:59:42
235.   Suffering Bruin
We might have the second coming of Dwight Gooden or Fernando here.

That's exciting.

2008-03-09 15:02:40
236.   overkill94
228 I never pictured Zappala as an arrogant, paranoid, mulleted video game nerd.

Then again, I always thought Xavier Paul was white.

2008-03-09 15:04:42
237.   LogikReader

I missed the reference... I'd better go check google.

2008-03-09 15:25:14
238.   Gen3Blue
I keep hearing about this curve to Casey, but I can't find anywhere to see it. Did Casey try to jump out of his shoes? Oh well, I will get to see it soon one way or the other, I sure hope.
2008-03-09 15:32:05
239.   ToyCannon
Never took the bat off his shoulder. I'm sure he dropped a few rule 1 violations on the way back to the dugout. The breaking pitch by Miller to end his inning was also nasty.

Doesn't take much to see a scenario where Kershaw gets his starts in AA, and then comes up in July/August and does a Joba/FROD imitation out of the bullpen. It gets his nasty stuff up where it will do us good, and keeps the innings down in his age 20 season.

2008-03-09 15:33:54
240.   natepurcell

I want Kershaw/Laroche to do a Dontrelle/Miggy impersonation and lead us to a WS championship.

not too much to ask for right?

2008-03-09 15:33:56
241.   Bob Timmermann
Just wait. You'll see soon enough.
2008-03-09 15:43:05
242.   Jon Weisman
241 - You tease.
2008-03-09 15:51:07
243.   twerp
207 Another possibiity for Kuo as of March 31--

Traded for someone's backup 3b.

Wish I could be sure it won't happen. But Ned may think Kuo's too injury-prone, not needed as a starter, and hasn't done well as a reliever. However he justifies starting Loiza ahead of a clearly better pitcher.

2008-03-09 16:01:44
244.   Jon Weisman

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