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100 Grand
2008-03-26 13:16
by Jon Weisman

My take on Saturday's Coliseum exhibition game can now be seen at

Nearly 115,000 people have bought tickets to see a baseball game. An exhibition baseball game.

Which goes to show you: For all the hoary clichés about the poetry of baseball, when it comes to something brilliantly weird and trippy, fans can't wait to get their taste.

Two weeks after taking baseball to another continent with a pair of exhibition games against the San Diego Padres in China, the Los Angeles Dodgers are participating in another bold journey: taking baseball back in time. On Saturday, they will step out of their beloved Dodger Stadium habitat for a pretend game at their original West Coast home: the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum, a venue ill-suited for baseball then and iller-suited now.

And with the transcendent lure of bad traffic, bad parking, bad seats and utter meaninglessness as far as the standings go (even though the regular season will have already started for the Dodgers' opponents, the Boston Red Sox, in Japan of all places), more human beings will venture inside the Coliseum peristyle than have ever been to any single baseball game.

"This is more of an event than it is a game," Dodgers broadcaster Charley Steiner said. "It sounds a little grandiose, but it is kind of like a baseball Woodstock. ..."

Update: Joe Torre makes an impression on a lot of people, but I'm not sure anyone could articulate that impression as well as Eric Neel has for

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2008-03-26 13:24:17
1.   Eric Stephen
The Dodgers should also wear their uniforms from 1958. Oh wait, they already do that.
2008-03-26 13:25:44
2.   Eric Enders
This will be the second of ___ consecutive posts to feature the name of a candy bar or packaged bakery product.
2008-03-26 13:29:39
3.   cargill06
it's the year 2022, someone puts a gun to your head and asks who's had a better offensive career pedroia or laroche your answer is?
2008-03-26 13:29:48
4.   Disabled List
Is it possible that this game will set the record for highest attendance ever for a sporting event in the U.S.? I know some soccer crowds in Mexico and South America have gone over 120,000, but has any game here ever drawn that many?

Bob Timmermann, please pick up the white courtesy phone....

2008-03-26 13:30:25
5.   Eric Enders
LaRoche and it isn't remotely close.
2008-03-26 13:31:49
6.   Eric Enders
4 A semipro baseball game in Cleveland in, I believe, 1915, drew 115,000 fans. So it's still in question whether the Coliseum will even set the U.S. baseball record.
2008-03-26 13:31:56
7.   Eric Stephen
I say 8 consecutive posts. The streak is able to last that long due to James "Abba Zabba" Loney's new nickname.
2008-03-26 13:33:05
8.   Jon Weisman
6 - Well, now I feel stupid.
2008-03-26 13:34:03
9.   CajunDodger
If you want to look at Nascar as a sporting event (sorry, but I am definitely not a fan), they do 110,000 pretty much every weekend at the superspeedways. I know that they pack em in like sardines at the Kentucky Derby as well.

The University of Tennessee can get well in excess of 105,000 for Vols games on any SEC weekend.

2008-03-26 13:34:44
10.   Brent is a Dodger Fan
I am viewing this exactly the same way: an event, not so much a game.

1) it is an exhibition, so we won't see the best players necessarily

2) the Coliseum field will have absurd dimensions, so we won't see a game played under normal conditions

3) the large mass of people, particularly those way up or way out, will no doubt not be focused on the game (more so than a usual game)


1) I've never seen baseball played in such circumstances
2) I'll be there with my Dad
3) It is still the Dodgers
4) I think the "make a day of it" idea is great (Fan fest, open batting practice, etc.)

...I'm glad that I'll be there.

2008-03-26 13:35:59
11.   Marty
Let's bring back the 1958 air quality. Then it will be perfect.

If you think the air in LA is bad now, you should have lived here back then.

2008-03-26 13:40:06
12.   cargill06
11 thats funny because my old man told me the same thing a week or so ago. he said he would go to the pool get out and not be able to breath, good thing for smog checks.
2008-03-26 13:40:55
13.   GMac In The 909
3 If it's the year 2022, is the gun in question a rail gun -- as seen in the blockbuster Eraser?
2008-03-26 13:42:53
14.   Marty
I grew up in the San Gabriel valley. It was the rare summer day in the 1960s when you could see the mountains.
2008-03-26 13:47:28
15.   ToyCannon
Funny how we have a gazillion more cars and people but the air quality is better. I guess those giant fans they built into the mountains are working after all.

I'm about to go to work for an electric bike company so I'll be doing my part to keep the smog levels low. Plus I'll soon be helping the Dodger Poster meet the triple dare of one Bob Timmermann.

2008-03-26 13:47:30
16.   still bevens
I just found out today that I have to pretty much work well into the night on Saturday and can't make it. Hate this job some/most of the time.
2008-03-26 13:49:01
17.   Xeifrank
If you want to see bad air go to the Olympics this year. Even the bad LA air of the 70s (too young to remember anything before that) doesn't even compare. I am glad our country has such high standards for clean air and water, even though there is room for improvement, when you go some places overseas, you become thankful for being able to see the blue sky.
vr, Xeifrank
2008-03-26 13:52:36
18.   Daniel Zappala
15 I'm thinking of buying a Prius for my next car, just so I can keep up with Bob.
2008-03-26 13:57:28
19.   Eric Enders
8 I believe the 115,000 figure was only based on eyeball estimates, though, so who knows how accurate it was.
2008-03-26 13:59:02
20.   ToyCannon
Were those the same eyeballs that estimated Mickey Mantle hit a ball 650 feet at USC?
2008-03-26 13:59:32
21.   dagwich
11 Those were the good old days. Thank God they're over.
2008-03-26 14:02:36
22.   underdog
Nice piece, Jon. Wish I could be there.

And there's also a fun story in the NY Times on Saturday's game:
And, bless his heart, you have to admit this quote from Pierre is pretty amusing:

>>Juan Pierre thought someone was. Pierre, the Dodgers' probable left fielder (rather, deep shortstop), said he did not believe the dimensions when he was told of them a few weeks ago. He gradually feared for his safety.

"I'll be like 180 feet from the hitters, and those Boston guys hit the ball pretty hard," Pierre said. "I might have to wear a cup."<<

2008-03-26 14:04:50
23.   Jim Hitchcock
I guess those giant fans they built into the mountains are working after all.

TC, you must be old enough to remember the Times artistic depiction of that, back in the mid 60's.

They showed three fans, very, very large (goes without saying), and if I remember right, they exhausted into the SF Valley!

2008-03-26 14:05:13
24.   scareduck
Let's bring back the 1958 TV schedule, too. Oh, wait -- they had, what, ten games televised all year, if that?
2008-03-26 14:06:06
25.   scareduck
18 - and me.
2008-03-26 14:08:29
26.   Disabled List
What are the chances of Pierre actually popping a Moon Shot over the screen in LF on Saturday?
2008-03-26 14:09:46
27.   Daniel Zappala
26 Zero since Ethier will be playing.
2008-03-26 14:13:22
28.   GMac In The 909
22 "I'll be like 180 feet from the hitters, and those Boston guys hit the ball pretty hard," Pierre said. "I might have to wear a cup."

The home bench will be 180 feet from the batter's box?

2008-03-26 14:13:22
29.   Eric Enders
20 Brookside Park was famous for having crowds of around 100,000 on several occasions. Apparently in Cleveland, they took their City League baseball very seriously.

There's a wonderful panoramic photo of the record-setting game:

2008-03-26 14:14:19
30.   Strike4
Wait a minute, I thought the giant fans idea was from a Beverly Hillbillies episode for Jed to invest in. A west coast and t.v. version of selling the Brooklyn Bridge. Please tell me I'm falling for your joke about a Times article.
2008-03-26 14:16:15
31.   trainwreck
Will Cal try to hire Mike Montgomery to replace Ben Braun?
2008-03-26 14:22:04
32.   Marty
RIP Richard Widmark
2008-03-26 14:22:07
33.   underdog
According to the Kansas City Star, the Padres acquired OF Justin Huber from the Royals for that same player to be named later the Rockies acquired earlier. Funny.

Anyway, Huber's a decent backup outfielder, I suppose.

2008-03-26 14:22:36
34.   Eric Enders
Dick Vitale is pushing Montgomery for the Indiana job.
2008-03-26 14:22:46
35.   trainwreck
Ben Braun was fired by the way.
2008-03-26 14:25:04
36.   Jim Hitchcock
30 No, it's a true story. I still have a pretty good mental picture of it.

Of course, at that time, the Times still had `Ripley's Believe It or Not' in the comics section :)

2008-03-26 14:26:28
37.   Bluebleeder87
18 evey time I see a pruis I think of Bob & Josh Rawitch I even take a peak to see if its them driving.
2008-03-26 14:31:14
38.   Eric Enders
Ken Pomeroy's updated odds of winning the national championship:

Kansas 33.8%
UCLA 22.9
Wisconsin 11.1
Memphis 9.8
North Carolina 6.0
Louisville 3.6
Washington St. 3.1
Texas 2.6
Stanford 2.4
Xavier 1.3
Michigan St. 1.2
Tennessee 1.0
West Virginia 1.0
Davidson 0.1
Villanova 0.03
W. Kentucky 0.02

2008-03-26 14:35:37
39.   Bob Timmermann
I believe the Dodgers uniforms from 1958 would look different than today's. There would be no names on the back. They would be baggier, flannel, and I think the trim was different. Check "Dressed to the Nines".
2008-03-26 14:40:15
40.   Eric Stephen
I liked the nameless backs.
2008-03-26 14:45:18
41.   Jacob L
35 Woo hoo!

Carry on.

2008-03-26 14:45:55
42.   Sushirabbit
32 Yeah; I did not know his daughter was married to Koufax.
2008-03-26 14:46:54
43.   ToyCannon
Real stuff, I think they did a contest to come up with the best way to remove the smog from Los Angeles. I'm sure if we motivated Bob he could dig up the dirt but I think he's hiding under his bed worried about the repercussions of having his triple dare met.
2008-03-26 14:49:43
44.   Samuel

I'll second that.

2008-03-26 14:49:44
45.   Penarol1916
38. I'm too depressed to even acknowledge the existance of that tournament, much less the chances of the third least likely team to win the championship.
2008-03-26 14:51:37
46.   Eric Enders
39 The 'Dodgers' script on the front of the uniform has also changed slightly since 1958. The width of the script line is significantly thicker now than it was then.

Compare this... this:

2008-03-26 14:53:06
47.   Andrew Shimmin
"Pomeroy" screws me again. First he tricked me into picking Oregon and Arizona in the first round, even though I knew better. Now he's admitting that he shouldn't have picked Memphis over UCLA.

If somebody beats me in the Griddle contest, I'm going to sue this "Pomeroy" for an Oregon State t-shirt.

2008-03-26 14:55:22
48.   Jon Weisman
Is Tom Zimmermann an alias for Bob Timmermann?

2008-03-26 15:03:20
49.   Strike4
I wonder where "spend billions on retooled refnineries, reformulated gasolines and car engines" ranked in the contest. Having grown up alongside the 10 in West Covina, I can attest to what's really a pretty incredible success story about improved air quality with so many more people and machines. I'd check on the brown cloud rolling in from downtown around 11 am. How thick it was determined whether we rode our bikes hard or easy all afternoon in order to be able to breathe at night.
2008-03-26 15:05:44
50.   Bob Hendley
Ouch! LATed. You guys are moving pretty fast today. For the previous thread.

The Dodgers go 91-71, based on Furcal bouncing back and major contrtibutions from Kemp, Ethier, Loney and Martin, and from the 4-5 slots in the rotation, which allows the bullpen to be effective despite a downturn by Saito. Minotaur is not called up until September. Druw loses the everyday job in center and becomes part of a $22.1 million platoon. Torre gets tired of always having to change the line-up, so he just has JP batting clean-up against righties. Kent displays PVL-but off the bench (where he can stay closer to the garbage can), and he and Sweeney become PH terrors.

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2008-03-26 15:07:53
51.   Jon Weisman
50 - That thread was still alive for predictions, so no worries. At the end of the season, that's where we'll look for them.
2008-03-26 15:15:33
52.   Eric Stephen
If I remember correctly, we as a group were optimistic predicting 2007 (only a scant few below 85 or so wins). I have the Excel file at home with all the predictions; I'll check that tonight.
2008-03-26 15:15:44
53.   kinbote
0 When I saw the title of this thread, I thought it was going to be a reference to Seanez's retirement bonus.
2008-03-26 15:18:05
54.   silverwidow
Erik Bedard continues to make Seattle look like idiots.
2008-03-26 15:22:16
55.   trainwreck
Bill Bavasi does a pretty good job of that himself.
2008-03-26 15:24:17
56.   regfairfield
54 Bold prediction: Erik Bedard will be fine, just like Bills, or any other good pitcher that is sucking in Spring Training.
2008-03-26 15:29:58
57.   silverwidow
56 They're not idiots solely based on his spring; they're idiots for giving up as much as they did on a pitcher with a sketchy track record, injury-wise.
2008-03-26 15:32:06
58.   regfairfield
57 I agree it was horrible, but Bedard will pitch well for them.
2008-03-26 15:32:57
59.   cargill06
58 it's a good trade for them now that you factor that the angels pitching will be in shambles. 87 wins may win that divison.
2008-03-26 15:34:22
60.   regfairfield
59 I don't see how that helps the Mariners. I'll be really surprised if they go .500 this year.
2008-03-26 15:35:14
61.   cargill06
60 it helps them because it makes their divsion much more winable. they'll finish over .500 this year, too much good pitching not too.
2008-03-26 15:35:33
62.   Eric Enders
Bedard's a hell of a pitcher and they won't regret having him. What they will regret is giving up Adam Jones in the futile belief that it will help them contend for the pennant this season, when in actuality they aren't remotely close to being a contending team. They got lucky with Pythagoras last year and have let themselves be seduced by the idea they can win in '08, when they can't.
2008-03-26 15:36:07
63.   underdog
heck, 85 wins could win that division even.
2008-03-26 15:38:34
64.   regfairfield
61 There really isn't much difference between the Mariners and the Giants. It's not that hard to envision that offense not having a single person put up an .800 OPS. They're mediocre defensively thanks to employing disasters like Ibanez and Sexson, and the bullpen has nothing outside of Putz.
2008-03-26 15:38:47
65.   MC Safety
Listening to Kornheiser talk about Gilbert Arenas' latest blog entry was hilarious, anyone catch that?
2008-03-26 15:39:03
66.   cargill06
63 that's what i'm saying when they made the trade it didnt look very bright for 1 what they had to give up and 2 they had little chance of making the play-offs, now i think it's a real possibility they can make the play-offs
2008-03-26 15:39:34
67.   regfairfield
Oh, next to no depth as well which will hurt them when they actually lose players to injury this year.
2008-03-26 15:40:37
68.   Eric Enders
61 But their "good pitching" really amounts to:
1) Two potential Cy Young Award candidates, each of whom had a troubling injury last year.
2) Three starters who should count their lucky stars if they even perform at a league-average rate, and
3) A closer who, while outstanding, was plagued by arm trouble last year, had a BABIP-lucky season, and is due for an extreme regression to the mean.

Of all the Vegas over/unders, the safest bet by far is taking the under on Seattle.

2008-03-26 15:40:58
69.   cargill06
64 well they won 88 last year, no reason to think they can't win 86 this year with bedard.
2008-03-26 15:42:17
70.   trainwreck
I saw it. I liked how neither of them could name a player in the McDonalds All American Game.
2008-03-26 15:43:25
71.   cargill06
68 the under on the angels 91.5 wins i'd rather take then the under on sea 84 wins.
2008-03-26 15:44:15
72.   regfairfield
69 They over performed by 10 games based on their run differential and level of competition.
2008-03-26 15:46:29
73.   Eric Enders
69 "well they won 88 last year, no reason to think they can't win 86 this year with bedard."

Frankly, there's no reason to think they can. Their Pythagorean record was 79-83, which basically means that nine of their wins were due to sheer dumb luck. Their true quality was that of a 79-win team. Teams who get lucky like like that, almost without exception, regress to the mean the next year.

So you take a 79-win team, make its veteran core, all of whom are past their prime (Ibanez, Ichiro, Johjima, Vidro, Beltre, Sexson) each a year older, and add an ace pitcher in Bedard, and what do you get? Probably another 79-win team, if you're lucky.

2008-03-26 15:47:28
74.   cargill06
72 arizona did by 11 games too.

i don't like their team either but considereing their pathag was 79 wins last year and they add bedard how you'd be surprised if they finish over .500. obviously i could see them finishing under .500 also but i wouldn't be surprised either way.

2008-03-26 15:51:38
75.   regfairfield
74 Arizona is stuffed with young talent that is likely to get better. The Mariners aren't.
2008-03-26 15:52:31
76.   bhsportsguy
This story was written by a great SI baseball writer about the number one Los Angeles icon (despite what Bob and his employer think).

And yes, there was a time when Brentwood was 25 minutes away from Dodger Stadium.

PS - Bob, you are a right, SI Vault is great.

2008-03-26 15:53:42
77.   Eric Enders
74 Differences between Arizona and Seattle:

1) Arizona is composed largely of players under 27 who can be expected to improve slightly each year. Seattle is composed of players older than 27 who can be expected to decline slightly each year. So in '08, Arizona could theoretically improve enough to actually be a legit 90-win team, instead of a 90-win team that just got lucky.

2) Arizona's Pythagorean differential was partly a result of the extraordinarily unusual composition of their bullpen. Basically, they had no average relievers, -- they were all either really, really good or really, really bad. Thus the guys pitching in mop-up situations skewed their run differential greatly, which is something that very rarely happens.

2008-03-26 15:54:18
78.   cargill06
75 i understand that. i just don't see how a team that was "supposed" to win 79 games last year would surprise you if they improve on that by 3 games this year, adding a potential cy young winner and felix improving and sexson probably having a better season, that probably equals 3 wins.
2008-03-26 15:58:26
79.   cargill06
2) Arizona's Pythagorean differential was partly a result of the extraordinarily unusual composition of their bullpen. Basically, they had no average relievers, -- they were all either really, really good or really, really bad. Thus the guys pitching in mop-up situations skewed their run differential greatly, which is something that very rarely happens.

I don't buy that, they were 14th in the NL in runs they were just really lucky.

2008-03-26 16:01:30
80.   Eric Enders
79 Obviously, you can choose to buy it or not, but here's a Hardball Times article on the subject that you might be interested in reading:

2008-03-26 16:06:22
81.   Jon Weisman
76 - I keep intending to post about the Vault.
2008-03-26 16:13:01
82.   bhsportsguy
81 I got my first subscription to Sports Illustrated in the mid-1970's and for those of you who are now used to instant coverage (cable, internet, etc.), it was a big deal to me when one of my teams (Dodgers, Rams, Lakers) got national coverage in the pages of Sports Illustrated.

I believe that Sports Illustrated was the premier destination for sports writers, Frank Deford, Robert Creamer, Peter Gammons, Rick Reilly, and several others wrote great articles and are now classics. (In fact, it never dawned on me to ask Jon, but it must be a kick to be associated with SI, if you had the same experiences that I did with the magazine).

2008-03-26 16:21:37
83.   Dodgers49
The Dodgers went 93-69 in 2008 because their starting pitching turned out to be the best in the league plus they got a breakout year from Matt Kemp, a comeback year from Andruw Jones, a very good year from Andre Ethier and plenty of pine time from Juan Pierre before he was traded.
2008-03-26 16:23:18
84.   Eric Stephen
An SI subscription was an automatic Christmas present from my Mom for me and my two brothers for years.

I don't get the magazine anymore because there is so much more information available online now that it's not as relevant to me.

But, I'm using the vault right now to read the May 1981 Bill James article that brought him to a national audience. Thank you, Daniel Okrent.

2008-03-26 16:28:53
85.   Linkmeister
82 , 84 I recently got a renewal notice from SI telling me I'd been a subscriber for thirty years!

I went through a period last fall thinking it had gotten a little shallow for my taste and wasn't worth renewing, but I got cold feet and did so. 30 years of it arriving weekly in my mailbox is too hard a habit to break.

2008-03-26 16:31:01
86.   bhsportsguy
85 I stopped subscribing years ago and then due to upgrading on another fan site (you can't spend all your time on DT) I got a year free of SI. I just let that lapsed.
2008-03-26 16:32:45
87.   Dodgers49
From previous thread:

52 Bonus prediction:

Clayton Kershaw was called up from AA Jacksonville on May 25 to mixed results. He struck out a batter an inning, but also allowed too many walks and threw too many pitches.

The most intriguing statement I've heard during spring training was Clayton Kershaw saying he learned over the winter how to slow down his delivery which has greatly improved his control (which brought to mind another famous Dodgers left hander). If that's really a true statement we should be seeing the evidence fairly early this season.

2008-03-26 16:34:00
88.   Peanuts in My Shoes
What is the best traditional print weekly subscription for baseball, by the way? I grew up on SI, but haven't been a regular reader for years. I find myself doing most of my reading at bedtime now, and I'm not going to take my laptop with me. I'm on this site most of the day, and I don't click around too much, so I'm not always up to speed on the rest of the league. Sometimes it's easier to turn pages than click through.
2008-03-26 16:36:05
89.   Gilberto Reyes
76 That was an outstanding article on Scully! Hard to believe it was written in 1964! Some things just don't change over time.
2008-03-26 16:37:16
90.   MikeB
84 Jim Murray used to write for SI before he arrived full-time at the LA Times.
Back in the 60's there was a bit of rivalry between SI and SPORT magazine. SPORT was not as well written, but kind of fun - like a choice between the Times and the old Her-Ex.
One of my memories of being at a Dodger game in 1958 at the Coliseum includes the persistent cloud of blue haze hanging over the crowd from all of the cigar, cigarette and pipe smoking. I'll be there on Saturday night with my youngest son. I'm taking a transistor radio with me so I can listen to Vinnie - just like the old days.
2008-03-26 16:40:24
91.   Gilberto Reyes
I can't wait to attend the game on Saturday. I had to get tickets through an agency for $50 each ($25 face value) but it will be worth every penny to attend this one time event. I was born in 1965 so I never had a chance to see the Dodgers in the Coliseum. Batting practice may be the best part of day. I love how Charlie Steiner is calling it a baseball Woodstock.
2008-03-26 16:41:45
92.   Eric Enders
88 I don't think there is one, alas. SI covers baseball too lightly. Baseball Weekly, for years now, hasn't been worth the paper it's printed on, and now they have stupid football included. The Sporting News jumped the shark decades ago. I'm not sure what else is out there that's worthwhile (other than the bi-weekly Baseball America, which is fantastic).
2008-03-26 16:41:53
93.   Jim Hitchcock
76 Thanks for the link, BH...terrific article.
2008-03-26 16:42:15
94.   Peanuts in My Shoes
90 Is Vin doing the radio call?
2008-03-26 16:42:29
95.   Brendan
I just received my SI in the mail.

The head line is: GAME ON....


Then pictures of Ryan Braun, Jason Upton, Troy Tulowitzki, Jacob Ellsbury, Clay Buchholz, Ryan Zimmeran.

I'd wager that by the end of the year they will look dumb for not having any of Kemp, Loney, Martin, Billz on their cover.

2008-03-26 16:42:56
96.   trainwreck
Gee, I wonder which site you are talking about that pushes SI when you get an upgrade.
2008-03-26 16:43:15
97.   Eric Enders
Everybody make sure to take your transistor radios!

(What do you mean you don't have one?)

2008-03-26 16:44:05
98.   Peanuts in My Shoes
92 I'll look into BA. Thanks.
2008-03-26 16:44:38
99.   Peanuts in My Shoes
97 Ha-- I was just looking into this!

2008-03-26 16:45:57
100.   Sac Town Dodger Fan
95 I would rather of our young guys NOT on there, avoid the SI curse/jinx.
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2008-03-26 16:49:17
101.   Eric Stephen
For a few years, I only ordered MLB Audio for the postseason. It was normally $14.95, or free if you tried an 8-week subscription to SI. So I would order SI, get MLB Audio for free to listen to the day playoff games, then cancel SI after two months.
2008-03-26 16:49:25
102.   MikeB
97 Something to watch for at the Sat. game - there were no bullpens at the Coliseum that I can remember. I assume the pitchers will warm up in foul territory like they did in '58-'61?
2008-03-26 16:52:11
103.   Jon Weisman
82 - Twenty years ago, it was my life's ambition to write for SI. This isn't what I had in mind.

But I still subscribe to the magazine. There's some chaff and some wheat.

2008-03-26 16:59:29
104.   MikeB
If LA fans hold true to form, folks will still be arriving at their seats well into the 3rd inning, and a sizeable group will head for the exits by the 7th inning. So the full crowd will probably only be inside the Coliseum for 3 or 4 innings at most. Man, that's going to be some traffic jam!
2008-03-26 17:01:58
105.   Bob Timmermann
The bullpens for Saturday will be on the third base side of the field. There is a lot of foul ground between third and the seats.
2008-03-26 17:02:08
106.   Disabled List has a photo gallery up on the phenomenal draft class of 2005. Makes me sad when I think the Dodgers sat that draft out, essentially. We got Jon Meloan, but we could've had Clay Buchholz or Micah Owings.
2008-03-26 17:05:05
107.   Jim Hitchcock
BTW, RIP Richard Widmark.
2008-03-26 17:09:26
108.   Eric Stephen
Just remember, if the Dodgers would have signed Hochevar in 2005, they wouldn't have drafted the Minotaur in 2006. That makes 2005 easier to swallow.
2008-03-26 17:11:23
109.   Linkmeister
82 You forgot George Plimpton! ;)
2008-03-26 17:13:38
110.   27indigo
95 Am I alone in thinking "so what, big deal" about Jacoby Ellsbury? His closest comparable is Gene Richards. I love his plate discipline, but is there really any reason to think his career will be more productive than Ethier/Kemp/Loney/LaRoche? Same thing with Clay Buchholz.

I mean, I know they're Red Sox, so that automatically gives them automatic SportsCenter Top 10 status, but really.

2008-03-26 17:14:21
111.   Eric Stephen
I for one don't think Buchholz will hit as many HR as Kemp! :)
2008-03-26 17:15:54
112.   Dodgers49
95 I just received my SI in the mail.

They're picking the Dodgers to finish 3rd behind the Rockies and D-Backs.

2008-03-26 17:17:45
113.   Eric Enders
Was Richard Widmark baseball's most famous father-in-law? I can't really think of too many others, other than Digger Phelps (sorry Bob).
2008-03-26 17:19:37
114.   Dodgers49
From previous thread:

80 the BAD boys (as they had been named by DodgerThoughts reader ibleedbloo –Bison, Andrew, Dre-).

I like BAD boys. :-) We'll see how that plays out this season.

2008-03-26 17:21:47
115.   Bluebleeder87
Im gonna be on tunnel 5 sec. 5 row 55 seats 107 thru 109, I can't remember if TC said 3rd base side though.
2008-03-26 17:23:24
116.   Bluebleeder87
Im just stoked there gonna have a radar gun for fan-fest, woo!
2008-03-26 17:24:56
117.   Bob Timmermann
Dodger Thoughts is the only place where people seem to care about my feelings.

Which is very amusing.

2008-03-26 17:25:40
118.   Bob Timmermann
Wasn't Clark Griffith the father-in-law of Joe Cronin?
2008-03-26 17:30:46
119.   Indiana Jon
106 How does everybody rank the top 5 out of that draft? I put them in this order.

1. Bruce
2. Braun
3. Upton
4. Tulo
5. Zimmerman

2008-03-26 17:49:14
120.   Bob Hendley
90 . Vin on the transitor was a must in my day. Those around you at the stadium that didn't have their own and couldn't overhear would always want to know what he had to say about a play or a player. He is the Dodgers for me, along with the occassional Koufax sighting at ST. (Never really got into Lasorda, too clownish). Having moved away from the Southern California area in 1978, I have had to follow from afar without his voice, until I got MLB.TV last year. I could do without all the grandpa-like stuff with the kids (probably because I am not one yet), but his voice just transports me. (mancrush?)

So, caught the radio broadcast this week against the Brewers and was really surprised about how bad the broadcast team was (or is it ST for them as well?). I now understand the heat they get from this site. Really took the joy out of it.

2008-03-26 17:51:42
121.   ToyCannon
HOF Lou Boudreau was the father-in-law of one of baseballs all time bad boys, Denny McLain.
2008-03-26 17:53:13
122.   Retire 55
Nice to see the Sports Illustrated baseball preview join the chorus on Pierre.
2008-03-26 17:55:13
123.   CanuckDodger
106 -- The Dodgers didn't essentially "sit out" the 2005 draft, and I'll wager that somebody from our haul turns out better than Micah Owings. Besides Meloan, there's Ivan DeJesus, Jr., Josh Bell, Josh Wall, and Steven Johnson, and Meloan is proably only the best known of the bunch because he was the college guy.
2008-03-26 17:59:00
124.   Bluebleeder87
Does Chad Billingsley have a good changeup, or is he just starting to throw one? Honeycutt's expertise is teaching people to throw cutters, I thought.

I'm just happy he's working on other pitches, hopefully he didn't get discouraged by Saturdays results.

2008-03-26 17:59:19
125.   ToyCannon
By the end of their careers I think it will look like this:
1. Upton
2. Bruce
3. Tulo
4. Zimmerman
5. Braun

I have no idea how 3-5 will shake out but I will be surprised if Justin Upton is not the best player in the NL over the next decade even if he struggles this year. When you think of Maybin, Rasmus, McCutchen, and Ellsbury it was just loaded with centerfielders which is good for the game since the position has been weak for several years.

2008-03-26 18:00:22
126.   bhsportsguy
123 Canuck, do you agree with me that when someone (Baseball America, Kevin Goldstein, etc.) do a review of the drafts between 2000-2010, (or is it 2009), the Dodgers 2003 draft (Chad, Kemp and LaRoche) will be among the best drafts with 2002 (Loney, Broxton, McDonald, Russell Martin, Miller) right behind?
2008-03-26 18:02:44
127.   Megaballs
Wise up Juan Pierre.

You're making $9mil/year guaranteed.

Put a smile on your face and say you'll do whatever helps the team. Like Tommy says,
You play for the name on the front of your jersey. Not only will you gain affection in LA, you might further your career. You might find yourself in the playoffs instead of at home in October if you get salary-dumped to a below-average team that might actually play you.

2008-03-26 18:07:39
128.   Dodgers49
Time to expand horizons

>> During spring training this year, ESPN and ESPN2 have shown eight exhibition games, and six involved the Red Sox or the Yankees, while one other featured the Mets. <<

2008-03-26 18:10:37
129.   CanuckDodger
126 -- Absolutely, although I am not convinced yet that in a few years time our 2003 draft will look better than our 2002 draft. They could be neck and neck, or 2002 could be ahead.
2008-03-26 18:18:14
130.   Bluebleeder87
ESPN thinks RATINGS, but if your an executive (putting the hat on my self) you'd think you'd WANT to have other markets like LA, CHI, DET, or even mid-level markets for the betterment/promotion of the game but I guess they don't think that way (maybe I'm wrong in thinking that way?) who knows but I think there fundamentally flawed also Dodgers49.
2008-03-26 18:20:12
131.   Eric Enders
128 The last one not covered there was Dodgers-Braves.
2008-03-26 18:23:41
132.   JoeyP
123---Josh Wall is one of the reasons that draft was a poor one.

Perhaps DeJesus/Bell can save it, but it doesnt look good at all right now.

2008-03-26 18:24:36
133.   Bluebleeder87
Arizona & the Dodgers are great teams to focus on (for example) they both have awesome young up-and-coming talent but I guess ratings blinds them from thinking outside the box or from taking rinks.
2008-03-26 18:25:16
134.   Eric Enders
I think Wall's still considered to have a higher ceiling than DeJesus. His performance so far is lousy, but he shouldn't be written off yet.
2008-03-26 18:29:00
135.   JoeyP
They're mediocre defensively thanks to employing disasters like Ibanez and Sexson

How much value does defense in Lf and 1st base really hold? Those are arguably the two easiest positions to play.

Sexson's a disaster bc he forgot how to hit.

2008-03-26 18:30:40
136.   bhsportsguy
134 Also let's see how Josh Bell does in the Cal League, this is only his second full year.

New Orleans just won another game in the final 7 seconds on a Chris Paul assist to David West, 100-99 as they beat Cleveland in Cleveland.

Byron Scott is doing a great job with the Hornets.

2008-03-26 18:37:28
137.   Bluebleeder87
Sorry if this was mentioned earlier but I just read that Chan Ho Park made the team (as a long man), I'm glad he did, hopefully he has a good '08. something tells me he'll make a few starts as well.
2008-03-26 18:41:46
138.   JoeyP
Anyone notice that the Brewers have both Mota/Gagne in their bullpen? All they need to do now is find a way to get Duaner Sanchez.
2008-03-26 18:45:12
139.   trainwreck
ESPN knows nothing about basketball prospects. Jrue Holiday is the best player in the country and it is not close.
2008-03-26 18:51:00
140.   natepurcell
Josh Wall is one of the reasons that draft was a poor one.

Why? Its not like he was a first round pick.

2008-03-26 18:51:07
141.   Eric Stephen
Shuey, Quantrill, and Martin are all available! :)
2008-03-26 18:53:58
142.   Eric Stephen
Sorry if this was mentioned earlier but I just read that Chan Ho Park made the team (as a long man)

Where did you read that, Blue? I haven't seen it anywhere.

2008-03-26 18:57:52
143.   bigcpa
LA Times reports Arizona move in 2009 is official.

2008-03-26 18:58:58
144.   CanuckDodger
132, 134 -- The Dodgers 2005 draft wasn't "poor" (it got a C+ rating in the last Baseball America Prospect Handbook), and Josh Wall hasn't been "lousy." Wall's numbers last year weren't too bad, but okay, and he made progress during the season, with an ERA of 3.14 in the second half. His fastball was up to 96 MPH and he sat at 92-93 when he was mechanically sound, flashing a plus curveball. With that stuff and his tall, lean frame, he might have been a 2008 first rounder as a college junior, had he not signed with us out of high school.

Whether it's James Loney, Chin-Lung Hu or Blake DeWitt (all of whom have been completely dismissed as hopeless at some point at DT, and I would add James McDonald's name, but before this last year, when he was age 22, I'm not sure anybody here realized McDonald was alive, or cared), some people never seem to learn: we're not drafting major-league-ready, or close-to-major-league-ready, players, but (in most cases) teenagers with a lot of potential and a lot of work to do and, yes, some struggling, as they find their feet. Let's not be so quick to write off young players who don't light the world on fire right away.

2008-03-26 19:02:47
145.   StolenMonkey86
141 - That would be crazy, a good bullpen and good hitters?
2008-03-26 19:05:07
146.   bhsportsguy
144 I would say Chad Billingsley, Scott Elbert (until he was hurt last year) and certainly Clayton Kershaw were the most talked about Dodgers from their early development stage in Rookie and low A ball. Maybe Andy LaRoche too, partially because of his name and bonus money.
2008-03-26 19:09:31
147.   Gen3Blue
I hope Clayton Kershaw is managed properly if he is used at the major league level this year. But one thing is a certainty with the stuff he has shown already. He will not walk many people or throw many pitches compared to Penny or Billingsley.
I am also fairly confident his absolute walks and pitch counts will not be too high.
2008-03-26 19:10:39
148.   Disabled List
106 Just remember, if the Dodgers would have signed Hochevar in 2005, they wouldn't have drafted the Minotaur in 2006. That makes 2005 easier to swallow.

How did the failure to sign Hochevar lead to Kershaw? The Dodgers drafted 7th that year, which was their slot for being so awful in 2005. Or are you saying that with one stud pitcher in the fold, we wouldn't have gone after another in 2006?

2008-03-26 19:11:22
149.   CanuckDodger
146 -- Of course people get most excited about the prospects who combine potential with performance right away, but the major leagues are full of players who didn't exactly take the minors by storm.
2008-03-26 19:12:35
150.   Samuel

I think it's likely that if Hochevar wasn't in the 2006 draft, Kershaw wouldn't have been available at the 7th position in the draft.

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2008-03-26 19:15:31
151.   Icaros
Didn't they get an extra pick in 2006 as compensation for losing Hochevar and use it to draft Bryan Morris?
2008-03-26 19:15:32
152.   Samuel

I don't know/remember the details, but I remember reading something like what I wrote in 150 somewhere on this website in one of the comments a while back. Hopefully someone can back up what I've just said.

2008-03-26 19:18:00
153.   MC Safety
Estonians everywhere should be proud.

2008-03-26 19:20:44
154.   Eric Enders
148 (I really should have a macro for this.)

The Tigers liked both Kershaw and Andrew Miller, and were targeting Kershaw with the #6 pick since Miller was expected to go #1. But when the Royals took Hochevar #1, that left Miller for the Tigers and Kershaw to fall to the Dodgers.

Logan White has said that if the Tigers took Kershaw, he would have taken Bryan Morris at #7 and Mattingly in the spot where Morris was taken. Which would have made that draft an unmitigated disaster for us.

2008-03-26 19:21:13
155.   Bob Timmermann
Estonians are very nice people.
2008-03-26 19:22:18
156.   68elcamino427
147 Re:Penny, something that I've noticed.
He tends to paint around the edges of the strike zone when the score is close.
When he has a lead of three runs or more he tends to pound the stike zone and his pitch counts per inning go down quickly.
We'll see if that holds up this year.
2008-03-26 19:25:23
157.   Andrew Shimmin
Hochevar was a sandwich pick, so there was no compensation.
2008-03-26 19:27:04
158.   Disabled List
154 I wonder if Logan White is telling the unvarnished truth there. I know the MLB draft doesn't work like the basketball or football drafts, but that's a stretch to believe he would take a player at #7 that it turned out he could get at #26.

Tim Lincecum went 10th that year. He would've made a nice consolation prize if we'd missed out on Kershaw.

2008-03-26 19:28:55
159.   oshea2002
Speaking of Morris, have there been any updates on him?

I'm stuck working - can anyone tell me how Derozan is doing in the AA game?

2008-03-26 19:30:19
160.   Bluebleeder87
142 DB said Tony Jackson reported it.
2008-03-26 19:30:38
161.   Andrew Shimmin
Hochevar was also the Prom king his senior year, according to wikipedia, the infallible depository of all human knowledge.
2008-03-26 19:31:12
162.   CanuckDodger
154 -- Again with the pre-mature call on a draft that is in the very recent past. Do you KNOW for sure that Morris and Mattingly aren't going to work out? If Morris and Mattingly both fulfill the potential the Dodgers have judged them to have, there will have been nothing wrong with getting them as two first rounders in a draft.
2008-03-26 19:31:32
163.   MC Safety
155 I agree. Also the article didn't mention that the game was played because it was from earlier, but the game was in fact played. Awesome.
2008-03-26 19:34:22
164.   trainwreck
Not much yet.
2008-03-26 19:35:15
165.   trainwreck
But no one in the West is doing much. Jennings has just been trying to be Mr. Flashy and get all the attention.
2008-03-26 19:35:35
166.   trainwreck
2008-03-26 19:38:32
167.   CanuckDodger
158 -- But the Dodgers didn't know that Morris wouldn't be taken by somebody else in the first 25 picks. Teams often disagree severely about the merits of players eligible for the draft. For instance, in 2007, the Red Sox didn't have a draft pick till #55, and they used it on LHP Nick Hagadone. The Red Sox had Hagadone ranked #18 on their draft board at the start of the day, so they clearly liked him a lot more than the collective wisdom of the 29 other teams, which didn't rank him in the top 54.
2008-03-26 19:42:12
168.   trainwreck
It is pretty clear that White pays no attention to consensus rankings or opinions. He just drafts who he wants.
2008-03-26 19:42:56
169.   Bluebleeder87
That's interesting, PECOTA has Nomar with only 42 runs batted in, WHAT???
2008-03-26 19:45:13
170.   trainwreck
He really should not get much playing time, so why would you expect him to get a lot of RBIs. He is injured now and by May it should be LaRoche's job.
2008-03-26 19:45:21
171.   Jon Weisman
A propos of nothing ... and at the risk of violating rule 5 ... if anyone needs a new form of capital punishment, might I suggest standing in front of the ice dispenser in our refigerator?
2008-03-26 19:48:10
172.   CanuckDodger
168 -- Yes, White does seem to be a bit of a maverick, but I doubt that the scouting directors for other teams CONSCIOUSLY adhere to consensus thinking. So, really, EVERY team just drafts "who they like."
2008-03-26 19:51:06
173.   LogikReader
My fantasy draft is underway right now, and in the third round I selected B.J. Upton.

B.J. Upton???? Whyy????????????!!!!!!!!

2008-03-26 19:52:18
174.   Bluebleeder87
I have to admit I no nothing about PECOTA but Martins #'s look a bit off, but then again it's probably cause he'll probably get more rest. I really liked PECOTA'S Matt Kemp projection #'s of .336 BA, 30 HR, 99RBI, 391 OBP, .552 SLG, 24 SB 325 eQA, 7.5 WARP3
2008-03-26 19:53:55
175.   trainwreck
Are you upset that you made a good pick?
2008-03-26 19:54:12
176.   Bluebleeder87


2008-03-26 19:57:28
177.   Eric Stephen
What's so bad about that? .300/.386/.508 last year with 22 SB. He's entering his age 23 season, qualifies at both 2B & OF.
2008-03-26 19:58:52
178.   Bluebleeder87
Yes it's spring training I know but Matt Kemp REALLY looks good at the plate waiting back on the ball & hitting it the other way, plus he finishes of really good & I've also noticed he's adding style to his D now, I don't know I just really like how he looks offensively & Defensively.
2008-03-26 20:04:52
179.   Eric Stephen
Lakers ended the 1st quarter with about eleventy steals and a buzzer-beating Farmar three to cut a 10-point Bobcat lead to 3, 27-24.

Phoenix lost by 20 in Boston. Yay!

2008-03-26 20:17:58
180.   Eric Stephen
The only thing worse than Joel Meyers announcing basketball is Joel Meyers talking to celebrities. He just asked Joely Fisher -- during the game, mind you! -- to tell us about her "new" show with Brad Garrett, which has been on for at least a season already.
2008-03-26 20:19:57
181.   trainwreck
How can you blame someone for not watching Til Death?
2008-03-26 20:24:35
182.   Eric Stephen
Good point. Also:

Carnac: [blowing on envelope] Til death
Ed McMahon: Til death
Carnac: [looking at Ed with disdain] How long one must wait to hear a game score from RIck Monday.

2008-03-26 20:52:07
183.   JoeyP
Hornets are up 57-44 at halftime.
They are 6-28 on the road this year.

Lakers seem to play great in the 1st half against the good teams, and great in the 2nd half against the bad teams.

Hopefully they put together two good halfs in the playoff.

2008-03-26 21:02:58
184.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Just wanted to ask any guys here who plan to buy water and snacks near the ballpark to look for tables set up by the Science Center School. We are an elementary who will be fundraising on Saturday.

I'll be there with the Catfish hat on, and will be at the game as well. I cant beat parking at my school's parking lot. Check it out as you walk/drive in.... right on the corner of Fig and Expo.

2008-03-26 21:11:48
185.   LogikReader
175 177

I think my grief was over selecting him too early, but looking it over, I actually selected him at the right time.

Anyone interested in my fantasy lineup?

2008-03-26 21:19:28
186.   Jon Weisman
Epic roster battles: Fernando Tatis may edge out Brady Clark to make the Mets bench.,0,65786.story

2008-03-26 21:21:34
187.   trainwreck
Lay it on us.
2008-03-26 21:26:03
188.   Brendan

I agree with you. I like the Yankee young guys more than the Red SOx and I like the Dodger young guys more than both of them. I don't think it is really that tough of a call.

2008-03-26 21:26:38
189.   Gen3Blue
156 Hope that is true. One thing I would love to see is predictions of Penny's downfall prove false. I think he has the ability to really sink his critics, and I hope he has the smarts to do it.
2008-03-26 21:30:20
190.   LogikReader
All righty...

Starting Lineup for Logikreader's Fantasy team:

1B Garrett Atkins
2B B.J. Upton
3B Aramis Ramirez
SS Hanley Ramirez
C Joe Mauer (just missed out on Golden God!)
OF Vlad Guerrero
OF Pat Burrell
OF Adam Dunn

Utility Man

Jim Thome


Jacoby Ellsbury
Kelly Johnson
Evan Longoria


Chris Young
James Shields
Matt Cain
Chad Billingsley
Ian Snell
Tom Gorzelanny
Gil Meche


Francisco Rodriguez
Joe Borowski
Kevin Gregg
Jonathan Broxton

2008-03-26 21:34:23
191.   68elcamino427
If Jones just has one of his average years, Ethier, Kemp, Loney, and Martin assert themselves at bat early in the games that Penny pitches, then we'll get to see how much the pitch count goes down :)
2008-03-26 21:36:02
192.   Xeifrank
Pretty crazy Laker comeback to start the 4th quarter off with. Marcus Giles got released today. I'm sure the two are just a coincidence.
vr, Xei
2008-03-26 21:40:25
193.   Jon Weisman
Update: Joe Torre makes an impression on a lot of people, but I'm not sure anyone could articulate that impression as well as Eric Neel has for

2008-03-26 21:45:25
194.   ToyCannon
Given what Chris Paul has done for New Orleans I don't understand how anyone can be touting Kobe as the MVP.
2008-03-26 21:46:39
195.   Eric Stephen
Kobe got 2 technicals in the 4th which, in addition to the ejection, gives him a seasonal total of 15 technical fouls. One more gets him a 1-game suspension. I'm not sure if the suspension can be in the playoffs or not.
2008-03-26 21:47:02
196.   Gen3Blue
191 Early in the game is the key. Either Prospectus or Bill James books points out that last year the Dodgers had their two worst OPS players leading off most of the year, and trailed after 3 innings most of the time. They did well from that point on.
The last few games had a line-up with a nice left, right, left right combo (Furc,Kemp,Loney,Jones) at the heart of the order, although Loney may not be the perfect clean up guy.
2008-03-26 21:47:23
197.   Xeifrank
190. How many pitchers do you start in that league? Is it standard 5x5?
vr, Xei
2008-03-26 21:47:53
198.   JoeyP
Kobe should be upset with his teammates.
They just took the nite off.

Maybe they dont want to play Golden State in the 1st round.

2008-03-26 21:48:30
199.   Xeifrank
194. You are right, but they don't always give out those type of awards to the person who deserves it the most. vr, Xei
2008-03-26 21:50:51
200.   Eric Stephen
Matt Kemp, feisty as ever! :)
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2008-03-26 21:52:50
201.   Eric Stephen
The Western Conference is bunched up enough that the seeds are kind of fluid right now. I could see Golden State and the Lakers matching up at 2-7 or 1-8.
2008-03-26 21:54:39
202.   LogikReader

I have to start three starters, then two relievers, followed by three Pitching slots that can go either way.

It's a lot of slots :)

2008-03-26 21:56:10
203.   trainwreck
Solid team, but Borowski may kill your numbers at the expense of saves.
2008-03-26 21:56:58
204.   trainwreck
Any wins the Lakers get without Gasol and Bynum is an accomplishment to me.
2008-03-26 21:57:01
205.   LogikReader
I spent almost the whole Laker game drafting for my fantasy league.

What a pitiful performance tonight... You never want to say things like this but: the Lakers didn't bother to show up.

Xei, I thought the same thing. Maybe they're subconsciously trying to avoid GS in the first round.

2008-03-26 21:58:10
206.   LogikReader
-- I'd be extremely disappointed, but I simply wasn't paying attention due to said draft.
2008-03-26 21:58:37
207.   Bob Timmermann
Since I've been a Dodger fan, the managers' personalities have been, in order: taciturn, grandiose, unsure, invisible, self-important, baffling, homespun, and now introspective.
2008-03-26 21:58:47
208.   LogikReader

The GS comment was for JoeyP, not Xei. Oops

2008-03-26 21:58:55
209.   trainwreck
Lakers own Warriors over the years. I doubt they are worried about them. This team just is not very good without Gasol and Bynum. They have no depth and have to count on people like Radmanovic and Luke Walton.
2008-03-26 21:58:58
210.   Vaudeville Villain

Actually, the Lakers would probably love a Golden State match-up. The Lakers have essentially no bigs right now, and STILL managed to compete with Golden State on the boards. Bynum and Gasol would be far too much for that team.

2008-03-26 22:00:07
211.   Vaudeville Villain
BTW, Luke Walton is the Lakers' Juan Pierre. Overpaid stiff whose 'intangibles' are overrated.
2008-03-26 22:02:15
212.   LogikReader

Fortunately, I can put Borowski on the bench and let Kevin Gregg close unless there's an injury.

2008-03-26 22:04:15
213.   JoeyP
211--Truer words have never been spoken.

He does nothing on the court.
Unathletic, with no shooting skills to mask the deficiencies.

He should have been let loose like Cook, Smush, and Kwame were.

2008-03-26 22:05:04
214.   JoeyP
198--I doubt Bynum is healthy for the 1st rd.
2008-03-26 22:14:52
216.   Xeifrank
Logik Reader, your team looks good in the HR-RBI-RUNS categories, average in the SB-AVE categories. Your pitching is a mixed bag...
Wins: 4 pts
Ks: 11 pts
ERA: bad
WHIP: bad
Saves: 5 pts

vr, Xeifrank

2008-03-26 22:19:15
217.   LogikReader
I'm not sure how the points work, but ERA is probably skewed by Borowski's abysmal 5.04 ERA.

Thanks for the quick breakdown, Xei. In this particular league, we use OPS instead of Avg. It's unorthodox for fantasy baseball, but I like it.

2008-03-26 22:21:31
218.   Xeifrank
217. Ok, that's why i asked you to list the categories for me. I am entering your roster into my fantasy baseball draft software program to get a general rating for your team based off of 2008 player projections. I will re-run with OPS instead of batting average.
vr, Xeifrank
2008-03-26 22:21:41
219.   Bob Timmermann
I formed a small fantasy league because my 11-year old nephew wanted to play in one. Because of distances and such we used an autodraft on Yahoo. My nephew ended up with both Alex Rodriguez and David Wright.

There are just seven teams in our league. Sam DC and his son also have teams.

2008-03-26 22:28:04
220.   LogikReader
Sorry Xei

Here's the actual categories we use in this league:





2008-03-26 22:29:39
221.   Xeifrank
217. Ok, if it was a roto league, your OPS would be at or near the top of the league.
vr, Xeifrank
2008-03-26 22:30:02
222.   trainwreck
That South Park was so awesome.
2008-03-26 22:33:04
223.   LogikReader

I know, huh! Oh but if only it was rotisserie... This is an H2H league.

2008-03-26 22:34:33
224.   Jon Weisman
Mike Carminati is back:

2008-03-26 22:37:21
225.   68elcamino427
193 I really enjoyed reading that piece.
I was imagining earlier today,what a spread it would be, Joe Torre standing in front of every MLB award that he has won as player and coach.
The man is a winner.
2008-03-26 22:43:26
226.   Bob Timmermann
So why did every pick this year to get upset about the MLB opener in Japan? People didn't react with high dudgeon the other two years. But this year it's considered a travesty?

I don't get it....

2008-03-26 22:44:53
227.   Jon Weisman
2008-03-26 22:52:19
228.   trainwreck
Everyone wants to see Jack Hannahan.
2008-03-26 22:55:18
229.   Linkmeister
226 Even our local sportscasters were upset about. Makes no sense. It's opened in Japan twice before, as you say, and didn't it open in Mexico once too?

That Eric Neel ESPN piece was wonderful, and who knew Neel was a Sinatra fan?

2008-03-27 01:59:45
230.   PDH5204
220 221 Good staff for a H2H league.

On the wild side of things, one of my leagues and teams:

12 teams

Roster Positions: C, C, 1B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 3B, 3B, SS, SS, OF, OF, OF, OF, OF, Util, Util, Util, SP, SP, RP, RP, P, P, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, DL

Stat Categories: R, H, HR, RBI, SB, BB, K, TB, AVG, OBP, OPS, IP, W, L, SV, BB, K, ERA, WHIP, H/9, BB/9

C Russell Martin
C Kurt Suzuki
1B Todd Helton
1B James Loney
2B Yunel Escobar
2B Aaron Hill
3B Chipper Jones
3B Kevin Kouzmanoff
SS Jimmy Rollins
SS Cristian Guzmán
OF Carl Crawford
OF Matt Kemp
OF Ken Griffey Jr.
OF J.D. Drew
OF Randy Winn
Util Akinori Iwamura
Util Brad Wilkerson
Util Cliff Floyd
BN Elijah Dukes

SP James Shields
SP Derek Lowe
RP Takashi Saito
RP Brandon Lyon
P George Sherrill
P B.J. Ryan
BN Chad Billingsley
BN Hiroki Kuroda
BN Matt Garza
BN Brian Bannister
DL Yovani Gallardo

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