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Hey, the Dodgers Are at Dodger Stadium!
2008-03-28 18:21
by Jon Weisman

The much-not-talked about season premiere of baseball at Mt. Lookout takes place tonight, with a rare - perhaps unprecendented - appearance of a designated hitter at Dodger Stadium, not to mention Jeff Kent finally making an appearance at second base and Juan Pierre fourth among outfielders in the starting lineup announced by the Dodgers this evening:

Rafael Furcal, SS
Russell Martin, C
Andre Ethier, RF
Jeff Kent, 2B
Andruw Jones, DH
James Loney, 1B
Matt Kemp, CF
Juan Pierre, LF
Blake DeWitt, 3B
Chad Billingsley vs. Bartolo Colon

Red Sox at Dodgers, 7:40 p.m.

* * *

Kevin Roderick of L.A. Observed gave his Coliseum perspective for KCRW today.

* * *

Update: Joe Torre has named Esteban Loaiza the No. 5 starter, reports Brian Kamenetzky of Blue Notes.

Comments (131)
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2008-03-28 18:40:31
1.   Indiana Jon
Great to see Kent in the lineup.
2008-03-28 18:41:09
2.   Linkmeister
What? No Gameday link? ;)
2008-03-28 18:43:42
3.   Bob Hendley
0 - JP not starting in center, even with Jones DHing. He really wants to get more looks at the Bison in CF.
2008-03-28 18:44:37
4.   Linkmeister
In that report from Roderick he claims Angelenos are starved for community. Do any of you natives really feel that way, or is that just pop sociology, based on observation of freeway culture?
2008-03-28 18:51:22
5.   natepurcell
Wow Pierre batting 8th...I thought I'd never see that day.
2008-03-28 18:54:41
6.   Jon Weisman
5 - It happened last year.
2008-03-28 18:57:02
7.   Jon Weisman

2008-03-28 19:00:21
8.   trainwreck
Boo to Loaiza. I want Kuo!
2008-03-28 19:00:24
9.   natepurcell
7 mistake, must have been the games I missed :)

2008-03-28 19:01:53
10.   underdog
8 Check back in May or June.
2008-03-28 19:03:19
11.   Gen3Blue
5 I seem to remember Pierre often batting 8th in September.

I thought I wouldn't stay up for exhibition
games on the west coast but here I am and its almost time. I thought the Coleseum game might be a day game, but either way it is going to be memorable. Good or bad I'm not sure.

2008-03-28 19:04:03
12.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Lets go Blue.
2008-03-28 19:04:41
13.   CanuckDodger
At Baseball America, Jim Callis, in his Ask BA column, answers questions about the 17-year-old Mexican pitcher we signed, Javier Solano. The Dodger beat writers who said he is left-handed were apparently wrong.
2008-03-28 19:05:25
14.   MollyKnight
That's a fine looking line-up.

Maybe we should petition to switch to the AL?

2008-03-28 19:06:48
15.   Suffering Bruin
"It's time for... Dodger baseball!"

Dang right.

Oh, and JP? Love the work ethic and great 'tude but the writing, my man... the writing be on the wall.

2008-03-28 19:08:14
16.   Suffering Bruin
14 Molly be right. I hadn't thought of that. Take away DeWitt and put in LaRoche/Nomar and it looks that much better.
2008-03-28 19:08:51
17.   Bob Hendley
Don't know about Jon, but my Dodger blues are a thing of the past. This is exciting!
2008-03-28 19:09:44
18.   ToyCannon
Happy to see Penarol1916 did not get his wish.

James Brown asked shouldn't a 2 against a 3 be close then 20. How about a 10 against a 3?

I only got snippets because we were shown the lopsided Stanford game. If I was going to watch a lopsided game, I would rather have seen the upset.

2008-03-28 19:13:04
19.   Who Is Karim Garcia
15 Lets just hope the writing is on the bench so Pierre can read it while sitting there.
2008-03-28 19:14:48
20.   Gen3Blue
Woah! The game doesn't start till 11:00. I'll get back to you.
2008-03-28 19:15:48
21.   underdog
18 Poor Toy's in the wrong room. You want Room 3-A next door, for NCAA chat and beer on tap. This is the Farmer John room.
2008-03-28 19:20:10
22.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Padres v Angels is appetizer baseball.... and most nights 'd send it back. I don't like my baseball cooked with halos.
2008-03-28 19:24:11
23.   Bob Loblaw
Looks like the Bison may not see many good pitches with Pierre hitting behind him.
2008-03-28 19:27:50
24.   hernari
Does anyone know if it's possible to follow the game on "gameday classic" still?
2008-03-28 19:33:10
25.   Bob Timmermann
I'm wondering if has a Coliseum outline to use for tomorrow's game.
2008-03-28 19:45:48
26.   overkill94
Chad sure doesn't look hurt to me
2008-03-28 19:47:25
27.   Bob Timmermann
Video tour of the Coliseum from Kevin Modesti:
2008-03-28 19:48:37
28.   LogikReader
That strikeout was more than "so-so" :)
2008-03-28 19:48:41
29.   natepurcell
nasty slider!
2008-03-28 19:49:05
30.   underdog
Valiant prediction: There will be more people at tomorrow's game.
2008-03-28 19:49:40
31.   natepurcell
gameday has billingsley's fastball in the 90-94 range.
2008-03-28 19:50:51
32.   Neal Pollack
Kent should be batting seventh.
2008-03-28 19:52:24
33.   GrilledOnly
Just got back home after a few days up north to find my DT tee shirt sitting in my stack of mail. Very cool! Add to my tickets to the game tomorrow at the Coliseum and I will be one happy camper. If I can find a place to park that is.
2008-03-28 19:55:14
34.   natepurcell
Colon basically threw all fastballs and we couldn't catch up to any of them.


2008-03-28 19:58:08
35.   trainwreck
Derek Fisher partially tore a tendon in his foot, but he is going to play through it.

LA sports teams have got a bad case of the injury bug.

2008-03-28 20:01:32
36.   natepurcell
Vin is talking sabermetrics...
2008-03-28 20:02:15
37.   Indiana Jon
Are most of the Dodger games broadcast in HD locally? I just noticed the Extra Innings channels have showed up on DirecTV and it looks like there will be many more HD games on this year. Of course, they have to be broadcast in HD locally for them to get to DTV that way,
2008-03-28 20:05:12
38.   Bob Timmermann
I believe every Dodgers game that is on KCAL is on HD. Not every game on FSN is in HD. FSN has just one HD channel so the Dodgers and Angels have to share.
2008-03-28 20:10:23
39.   Andrew Shimmin
Hope that was a busted hit and run.
2008-03-28 20:10:26
40.   Indiana Jon
38 Looks like three out of four are in HD the first week. DirecTVs schedule doesn't list channels past that. The only one that isn't in HD is the game in San Diego.
2008-03-28 20:11:20
41.   Jon Weisman
Eight strikeouts in two innings. Are the new lights affecting the batters?
2008-03-28 20:19:28
42.   Who Is Karim Garcia
There are new lights? As in, the existing lights were replaced or were lights added?
2008-03-28 20:21:18
43.   Jon Weisman
" A new energy-conserving lighting system will reduce the light falling outside the stadium by more than 95 percent and keep unnecessary lighting out of the eyes of players and fans."
2008-03-28 20:21:27
44.   Neal Pollack
Jon, group permission to gratuitously bash Pierre during this at-bat?
2008-03-28 20:22:54
45.   Indiana Jon
Sounds like Bills is quite effective tonight. Does he look as good as he sounds?
2008-03-28 20:23:03
46.   Bob Timmermann
But if I find out that my days of urinating in a trough are over, I'll be sad.

Women, almost universally, cannot believe that men can do such things.

2008-03-28 20:23:04
47.   Neal Pollack
Way to work the count.
2008-03-28 20:23:34
48.   Neal Pollack
No one does less with a 3-1 count. Damn, he is awful.
2008-03-28 20:23:56
49.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Lou Brown says:

Every time you hit a ball in the air you owe me 20 pushups.

2008-03-28 20:24:08
50.   Bob Hendley
23 - Bison's unlikely to see many good pitches until he stops swinging at the bad ones.
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2008-03-28 20:24:28
51.   Neal Pollack
I like the idea of a new lighting system. Next year can McCourt install air-fresheners that go off during the fifth inning, when we need them the most?
2008-03-28 20:24:56
52.   Indiana Jon
46 It does tend to surprise them. Makes for good conversation though.
2008-03-28 20:25:51
53.   peeweereese
Anyone hear Vin Scully talking about Bill James? Felt like a fun worlds collide moment somehow.
2008-03-28 20:28:49
54.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Bill James is going to be featured on 20/20 this week, I believe.
2008-03-28 20:30:25
55.   Andrew Shimmin
54- 60 Minutes. But it's not that far off.
2008-03-28 20:31:11
56.   Jon Weisman
54 - 60 Minutes, Sunday.

Tony Jackson on the lights:

"I can't even begin to put into words how much brighter it is here than in the past. I'm not sure I like it yet. It just doesn't look like Dodger Stadium. It has this weird, green flourescent sort of feel to it. But I'm sure the 83 games I'm going to see here over the next six months will be enough for me to get used to it. It's just that it sort of overwhelms the senses the first time you see it. ...

2008-03-28 20:33:10
57.   Andrew Shimmin
Vin calls Ortiz "Big Pappy."
2008-03-28 20:33:26
58.   Bob Timmermann
The first sign of spring in Los Angeles is a Tony Jackson complaint about Dodger Stadium.

And people say we have no seasons here.

2008-03-28 20:37:12
59.   silverwidow
Sounds like Bills is quite effective tonight. Does he look as good as he sounds?

His breaking pitches look real sharp and has a nice cutter working, too.

2008-03-28 20:38:11
60.   silverwidow
Woohoo! Ethier and Kent, whatta combo!
2008-03-28 20:38:20
61.   Andrew Shimmin
The old buzzard can still hit a little.
2008-03-28 20:38:44
62.   Who Is Karim Garcia
56 55 I was so close to going with that 60 minutes, I just wasn't sure. But it did lead to a comedic adventure in my head where Bill James was actually set to appear on Dr. Phil. James was getting berated for being a slave to numbers while people like Woody Paige, Skip Bayless and TJ Simers cried on and gave shameful looks.

... Ethier is by far my favorite Dodger.

2008-03-28 20:43:46
63.   Andrew Shimmin
I'm just glad they didn't give the story to Leslie Stahl. It would be like deciding whether I should listen to Jon be interviewed by Tom Leykis.
2008-03-28 20:45:09
64.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Lou Brown says:

You still owe me pushups.

2008-03-28 20:47:40
65.   Bob Hendley
57 - Yeah, but he doesn't know how to pronounce Oaxaca, a hotbed for baseball. (I am just trying to ignore JP's last at bat).
2008-03-28 20:55:39
66.   GrilledOnly
2008-03-28 20:55:57
67.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Only the Loney...
2008-03-28 20:56:14
68.   immouch
Loney seems like an ok first baseman.
2008-03-28 20:57:26
69.   Indiana Jon
Steiner was excited on that one. Must have been a nice play?
2008-03-28 21:01:07
70.   silverwidow
69 It was a terrific diving stop. Should've been a double play, but it was extremely close.
2008-03-28 21:01:48
71.   StolenMonkey86
the only two hits were grounders through the infield, and a run was given up on an olney by Cora

But more importantly, 7k in 4 IP. If he could do that in under 77 pitches during the season, that would be great.

2008-03-28 21:02:57
72.   immouch
ok, he's taller, and bats from a different side, but dewitt, in profile, looks like ron cey... when i squint.
2008-03-28 21:13:43
73.   Bob Timmermann
Who's supposed to pitch for the Dodgers tomorrow night? Wakefield is supposed to start for Boston.
2008-03-28 21:14:37
74.   silverwidow
73 Park or Loaiza
2008-03-28 21:14:55
75.   silverwidow
Tron Tron just nailed Manny
2008-03-28 21:16:08
76.   berkowit28
Must be Kuroda.
2008-03-28 21:16:53
77.   GrilledOnly
nice play by DeWitt
2008-03-28 21:17:04
78.   Bob Timmermann
I think I did hear that it was supposed to be Kuroda. He probably thought he left short fences behind when he left Hiroshima.
2008-03-28 21:17:22
79.   silverwidow
76 It's not Kuroda.
2008-03-28 21:17:50
80.   immouch
nevermind. it's just the sideburns. and i need a new scrip for my glasses.
2008-03-28 21:19:02
81.   JoeyP
Good job by Troncoso.

Kobe's got 47 points with 2 minutes left in the 3rd quarter.
Lakers are also losing at home to the Memphis Grizzlies.

2008-03-28 21:19:34
82.   LogikReader
While we're waiting for the Dodger half of the inning, a Lakers update.

Lakers are losing to Memphis... and they don't look impressive at all. If they don't get Gasol back soon, they're toast.


2008-03-28 21:20:59
83.   LogikReader

Without Gasol, Bynum, Mihm, AND Ariza, the Lakers are essentially turning back the clock to 2006.

2008-03-28 21:21:38
84.   LogikReader
and the "d" in 82 is my signature from emails; sorry about that.
2008-03-28 21:21:53
85.   JoeyP
Kobe with 47 points.
16-31 FGs attempts.
9-15 from 3 pt range.

Grizzlies up 84-75.

Kobe may need 60 for the Lakers to win tonight.

2008-03-28 21:24:00
86.   LogikReader
Hey, if you're going to be bad, you might as well be BAD. Maybe the Lakers can pull the tri-fecta on Sunday with the Wizards.
2008-03-28 21:26:20
87.   Bob Timmermann
And now my questions are answered!
2008-03-28 21:26:33
88.   silverwidow
Vin just confirmed it's Loaiza tomorrow.
2008-03-28 21:28:37
89.   silverwidow
I don't lie here. :)
2008-03-28 21:32:49
90.   Peanuts in My Shoes
Is Kemp's inside/outside pitch recognition a little off? He swings at those away pitches, and seems to back out from a few down the middle. I actually noticed it the other night for the first time.

By the way, I can't wait until Carl's Jr. switches ad agencies. The sooner the better. Makes me angry.

2008-03-28 21:38:01
91.   JoeyP
Kemp's had like 1 bb all spring, in around 75abs.

Thats a concern.

2008-03-28 21:41:20
92.   Indiana Jon
Joe Torre seems to be leaning towards Dewitt according to the newest article. Still no word on the LF situation.

"At third base, the manager said, "Right now Blake DeWitt looks like the solution.""

2008-03-28 21:43:07
93.   LogikReader
Blake DeWitt: The Solution™

I like it!

2008-03-28 21:44:17
94.   Indiana Jon
93 Let's hope he lives up to the name.
2008-03-28 21:44:50
95.   Peanuts in My Shoes
When Vin said, "Juan Pierre, lost his center field," that long pause made my heart skip.
2008-03-28 21:45:30
96.   Indiana Jon
94 and doesn't view practice like "The Answer".
2008-03-28 21:48:49
97.   Andrew Shimmin
Step into that, Bennett. C'mon. You're only skill is physically existing. Use it!
2008-03-28 21:49:16
98.   Andrew Shimmin
D'oh. I pulled a Brock, there. "Your only skill. . ."
2008-03-28 21:54:32
99.   Who Is Karim Garcia

Pack Bush! Flat Rat!

2008-03-28 22:05:30
100.   scareduck
99 - Hah!
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2008-03-28 22:07:39
101.   tjdub
Lakers are killing me! Man I need baseball season to start.
2008-03-28 22:08:49
102.   scareduck
They call him the Bison because he's tougher than a robot made of nails.
2008-03-28 22:10:27
103.   underdog
Texas Holdzkum couldn't holdzkum on to the ball very wellzkum.

The Bison didn't look too pleased. That's all we need to solve our outfield "situation." Luckily, he's fine.

2008-03-28 22:11:55
104.   neuroboy002
Vujacic takes 14 three-point shots and only makes 4 of them.... That blows.
2008-03-28 22:21:22
105.   Bluebleeder87
Joe Torre has named Esteban Loaiza the No. 5 starter, reports Brian Kamenetzky of Blue Notes.


2008-03-28 22:22:28
106.   Bluebleeder87
Seriously though, I just tunned in & the stadium looks like a day game
2008-03-28 22:28:54
107.   Jon Weisman
Andre Ethier's personality did not win over Kevin Pearson of the Press-Enterprise:

2008-03-28 22:44:07
108.   Neal Pollack
Why does Pierre's "veteran status" "afford" him anything? What is WRONG with these reporters?
2008-03-28 23:07:07
109.   Jim57
True baseball sense will prevail. C'mon Joe, do the right thing.
2008-03-28 23:09:39
110.   LogikReader

...and Kevin Pearson wonders why Ethier gave him the short shrift.

2008-03-28 23:11:43
111.   Jim57
It is time to get on Frank. Do the right thing. Pull the trigger.
2008-03-28 23:12:32
112.   berkowit28
Texas Holdzkum - isn't that a kind of poker?
2008-03-28 23:25:30
113.   Jon Weisman
I have trouble believing Tony Jackson would have done his "I was wrong" spiel if he didn't have a strong inkling that Torre was going to make Ethier a starter for Game 2 and numerous games to come.
2008-03-28 23:29:18
114.   GoBears
Sorry - I was away from DT for many hours (though I did watch the whole game). I just caught up, and wanted to revisit something from the last thread. Please forgive the length and the dead horse beat-down:

132. Ian Capilouto
He led the league in outs for one year, in 2006, but he also led the league in at bats that year. Statistically, that would happen to anyone who has that many at bats.

163. GoBears
That's just plain wrong. A better hitter, given the same number of plate appearances, would make fewer outs. That's how we know he's a better hitter.

166. Ian Capilouto
163 How is that plain wrong?
2008-03-28 11:17:40

167. ToyCannon
You can still be a good hitter and lead the league in outs. Pete Rose lead the league in outs several years. He was also quite a good hitter during those years. The problem is not that Juan Pierre lead the league in outs, in a nutshell that means nothing. The problem is he lead the league in outs and didn't provide enough offense for the times he did get on base to negate the number of outs he made. I really really dislike the "he lead the leauge in outs" as a reason for why Juan Pierre is not a good baseball player. Anyone can lead the league in outs if given enough at bats, even HOF players.

168. Ian Capilouto
Thanks I appreciate that reply.

I guess I wasn't clear, because ToyCannon clearly missed my point. I know that counting outs is not really all that important. My "plain wrong" assertion was in response to Ian's claim that "Statistically, that would happen to anyone who has that many at bats." It wouldn't. First, Pierre had that many at bats in part because he rarely walked. But let's assume Ian really meant plate appearances. Would anyone with Pierre's number of PAs lead the league in outs? Of course not. Ian claimed that "statistically that would happen to anyone." That's wrong.

It's fine to disagree about interpretations and opinions. But math is incontrovertible. Lots of better hitters would make fewer outs with Pierre-level ABs (and especially PAs).

Nothing ToyCannon said was wrong. It just missed my point. That is my fault, for being unclear.

And, although this isn't the point that TC responded to, I'll reiterate my main point about the "leading outmaker" criticism. It's a criticism of management - for putting a player as poor as Pierre in the position to lead the league in outs. He shouldn't be getting half as many ABs as the league-leader in outs. In that sense, TC's points about HOFers owning that dubious stat is right on. The likes of Juan Pierre shouldn't be allowed to try often enough to fail that often.

Again, sorry for Bogarting the bandwidth.

2008-03-28 23:36:44
115.   Xeifrank
I was glad to see that FJM finally poked Plaschke on his Juan Pierre article from a few weeks ago.
vr, Xei
2008-03-28 23:47:47
116.   Gen3Blue

I just woke up and we won!. Kevin Pearson washes Plashke's socks by hand.

2008-03-28 23:55:22
117.   Indiana Jon
Has any HOF player ever led the league in outs?
2008-03-28 23:58:05
118.   Andrew Shimmin
117- Kirby Puckett did in 1985.
2008-03-28 23:58:39
119.   Indiana Jon
Yes they have. Ripken, Puckett, Sandberg, and Yount most recently.
2008-03-28 23:59:22
120.   Andrew Shimmin
Ozzie Smith came in second in 1980.
2008-03-28 23:59:46
121.   GoBears
115 I never read Plaschke, except when one of you kind souls points me to an FJMification of him.

This is my favorite line so far:

Juan Pierre hit zero home runs last year. Mythical fairy creature David Eckstein hit three, for Chrissakes, and he swings a three-inch bat carved out of a candy cane.

Yeah, but Eckstein only did it because he plays in front of the greatest fans on Earth. If only JP got that kind of love...

2008-03-29 00:02:08
122.   jasonungar07
Jimmy Rollins last year had a great year leading the NL in outs.
2008-03-29 00:02:56
123.   Bob Timmermann
The last current member of the HOF to lead his league in outs was Ozzie Smith in 1981. Robin Yount led the AL in 1976.

Other Hall of Famers who have done it:
Red Schoendienst (three times), Luis Aparicio (twice), Nellie Fox (twice), Pee Wee Reese, Billy Herman (twice), Lloyd Waner, Sam Rice, Rabbit Maranville (three times), Harry Hooper (twice), George Wright (twice). Miller Huggins and Charles Comiskey also led the league in outs, but they weren't named to the HOF as players.

Alex Rodriguez led the league in outs in 1998.

2008-03-29 00:03:27
124.   Indiana Jon
Ozzie led the league in 1981. I missed him because I forget the fact that he is somehow in the HOF. I don't see where Rose ever led the league. The best player to ever lead either league in outs may be Alex Rodriguez.
2008-03-29 00:03:57
125.   Bob Timmermann
And I obviously missed players as shown above as my cat and I are engaged in a duel to the death for control of my keyboard and monitor.
2008-03-29 00:04:24
126.   Indiana Jon
123 What about 1996, Cal Ripken?
2008-03-29 00:07:29
127.   Jon Weisman
2008-03-29 00:07:45
128.   Bob Timmermann
I refer you to 125
2008-03-29 00:08:00
129.   Indiana Jon
A lot of HOF shortstops on the list.
2008-03-29 00:11:19
130.   GoBears
Actually, HOF status is not really a good measure of quality in this particular debate. As we've noted before, if every manager were to start Pierre 162 times a year, there's a chance he could get to 3000 hits, and automatic induction, despite being bad at baseball. I'm not going to say that any of the guys who have just been listed as out-making HOFers don't deserve their membership (because I don't know enough to say so, but I wouldn't disagree with Mr. Enders were he to so opine), but given that we're talking about the inanity of counting stats as measures of high OR low quality, it's probably not the best way to defend Pierre.
2008-03-29 10:19:06
131.   CodyS
Prediction of 2008 starts

Penny 32
Lowe 31
Kuroda 30
Billingsley 22
Loaiza 12
Schmidt 10
Park 6
Kuo 5
Kershaw 8
McDonald 4
Stults 1
Hull 1

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