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Dodger Series Recap
2008-04-20 14:38
by Jon Weisman

Comments (337)
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2008-04-20 15:17:19
1.   dzzrtRatt
Poor Ray Milland! I mean, Andruw Jones.

So, of course, I got LAT'd on the last thread. I sort of expected it. Here's what I wrote:

408. dzzrtRatt
407 This just feels like an offensive slump. They had a few of these last season. So many called strikes. They're just not seeing the ball. Unless this continues through May, I will not believe that a lineup that regularly features Furcal, Kemp, Kent, Loney, Ethier and Martin, plus Jones and either Nomar or La Roche won't spend most of the season punishing pitchers or at least scoring a lot more than 1 run per game over the course of a lost weekend.

This isn't on Colletti or Torre. It's just a darn slump (avoiding Rule #1) that the hitters have to use mojo and burning sticks to banish.

Jon's diagram in his original post should be something you can look up every day on Maybe as a bar chart. It's extremely helpful, and a good basis for compariso

2008-04-20 15:22:05
2.   SoSG Orel
I don't know. I mean, that bat was pretty aggressive.
2008-04-20 15:22:53
3.   Jacob Burch
Who needs mojo when you have hats for bats. Clearly the solution to the Dodgers' woes.
2008-04-20 15:34:01
4.   Dark Horse
1-As ever, the voice of reason.

I agree. This team will improve, just as the Dbacks will...disimprove. But I'd sure like it to happen sooner rather than later.

2008-04-20 15:35:14
5.   natepurcell
Really good pitching on the farm today.

We might have to put Justin Miller on notice.

2008-04-20 15:40:28
6.   Disabled List
2 beat me to it. The bat in that clip drew blood and was actually effective.
2008-04-20 15:41:43
7.   natepurcell
Justin Miller's positives

-heavy, plus fastball
-good command
-lack of homers and XBHs,

looks like those are enough to beat up on low A hitters.

2008-04-20 15:42:57
8.   dzzrtRatt
6 Bat's nickname: Peavey.
2008-04-20 15:43:45
9.   StolenMonkey86
5 - Presumably not in the Stephen Colbert sense.
2008-04-20 15:45:04
10.   Eric Stephen
The Detroit Pistons' PA announcer might be one of my least favorite humans. He makes Petros seem demure by comparison.
2008-04-20 15:46:52
11.   Jon Weisman
Um, do I really need to explain that the Dodgers are not represented by the bat in the clip?
2008-04-20 15:47:47
12.   natepurcell
James Adkins is breaking out today as well.

6IP 3H 0ER 1BB 11K


2008-04-20 15:49:50
13.   Andrew Shimmin
11- I couldn't tell for sure, but it sounded like the woman downstairs was mispronouncing Kuo's name.
2008-04-20 15:52:11
14.   Marty
Lost weekend? That looks like a great weekend to me.
2008-04-20 15:52:36
15.   Jacob Burch
11 I thought the point was the inevitable frustration associated with DT on a weekend.

Unsure if the DT pun was intended, however.

2008-04-20 15:54:57
16.   dzzrtRatt
11 Ray Milland is the Dodgers, because he keeps trying and failing to hit the bat.

I wonder if Ray Milland ever played in a Hollywood Stars game. It would be great to see what he looked like in a Dodger uniform.

He used to live near where I grew up. He was a frequent visitor to a bakery/soda fountain I used to frequent. He and it are both gone now.

2008-04-20 16:01:24
17.   Jon Weisman
15 - The bat isn't frustrated, though.
2008-04-20 16:07:32
18.   natepurcell
Adkins is probably done after going through the 7th.

final line today.

7IP 3H 0ER 1bb 12k

on the season:
20IP 12H 1hr 7bb 22k 1.8 era

2008-04-20 16:09:58
19.   Sam DC
If there's an Eric Gagne blog out there somewhere, they could use that video as well.
2008-04-20 16:12:32
20.   natepurcell
Justin Miller and Steven Johnson should be promoted to high A if they pitch well in their next 3 starts.

Then Wthrow and Watt should take their spots in the Great lakes rotation.

2008-04-20 16:17:03
21.   raygu
Jeff Bennett
Chuck James
Jair Jurrgens

3 runs.....Pathetic!!! LA rarely does well in Atlanta, but 3 runs against 2 mediocre pitchers and 1 decent pitching prospect....screams panic for Dodger fans. This weekend's performance, I hope, is rock bottom.
The last time I posted something similar to this was right before LA reeled off 16 of 17 two years ago....let's hope history repeats.
If not, I may have to start up a blog.

2008-04-20 16:20:53
22.   Suffering Bruin
Nice summary, Jon.
2008-04-20 16:23:20
23.   natepurcell

I agree, pretty pathetic series from the Dodgers offensively.

2008-04-20 16:24:11
24.   bigcpa
The youtube summary reads "scene from the 1945 movie where Ray Milland gets the DT's and freaks out."

What was his username?

2008-04-20 16:24:22
25.   Eric Stephen
If there's an Eric Gagne blog out there somewhere, they could use that video as well.

If, hypothetically, someone were to bet on the Brewers today, $20 to win $23, and they noticed the Brewers were up 3-1 going into the bottom of the 10th, that someone might hypothetically have thought he had money in the bank.

Then, if that someone turned channels over to watch Gagne close it out -- assuming of course that someone also hypothetically had Extra Innings on his cable package in San Diego, for instance -- then that someone may have shouted many Rule 1 violations directed toward a player he once revered after said closer gave up homer-homer-walk to his 3 batters.

You know, hypothetically.

2008-04-20 16:31:01
26.   Bob Timmermann
The UCLA baseball team took my criticism to heart and beat Stanford 8-2 today.
2008-04-20 16:31:24
27.   Bumsrap
The snippet from Lost Weekend wasn't any more fun to watch than the Dodgers this weekend. Maybe Ned was doing a Ray Miland this weekend.

Watching Loney the past 4 or 5 games is like watching a totally different hitter than what I was seeing during the first 12 games. However, I thought he was getting back to being himself today even with his lack of production. It just seemed like he was mentally out of it.

The Dodgers have been swinging and missing at sliders that break out of the strike zone. Today they seemed to make up their minds to stop doing that. But instead of sliders, today they got fast balls that were starting outside and coming back in to hit the outside corner. They kept taking those pitches for called third strikes.

2008-04-20 16:57:35
28.   underdog
Fire mike easler!
No, i kid, i kid. Frustrating, but not as depressing as itd be if they just weren't any good.

At least my soccer team has started 3-0.
I never got the ray milland references in bugs bunny toons when i was a kid. But enjoyed them anyway.

2008-04-20 17:07:32
29.   Greg Brock
I'm disappointed with the Dodgers, but I'm more disappointed with how Alexander Hamilton is portrayed in John Adams. McCullough's book wasn't this harsh.

It's not particularly fair.

2008-04-20 17:08:20
30.   underdog
Btw, watched the game via tivo so i didn't read last thread (just didn't think it would make me feel any better), but i was surprised that i didn't mind chip caray and darling today. Is that a sign that i'm losing my mind?
2008-04-20 17:09:49
31.   Bill Crain
At the end of the movie the Ray Milland character had quit drinking and started writing a book.

At the end of the novel on which the movie was based he was looking forward to his next binge.

2008-04-20 17:09:52
32.   Joe Pierre
Let's just hope the players aren't taking it as hard as we are.
It doesn't matter how we think, we don't have to go on the field and can't effect the outcome of what happens.
They got to get out there and enjoy the game, play hard and not think about the final score or the fact that we are cellar dwellers.
We got a shot at a team that's not too much better than us right now.
2008-04-20 17:11:32
33.   underdog
I'm behind on John Adams- who's playing Hamilton?
2008-04-20 17:12:23
34.   Greg Brock
33 Rufus Sewell, of Dark City fame.
2008-04-20 17:15:52
35.   Marty
31 Ah, so that's where the adaptors for The Natural got their idea.
2008-04-20 17:33:42
36.   bhsportsguy
29 The only portrayal that I really liked was David Morse portraying Washington.
2008-04-20 17:35:24
37.   bhsportsguy
20 What about Lambo, should he stick in the Midwest or move up in a few months?
2008-04-20 18:29:45
38.   D4P
Before anyone feels too bad about losing to the Braves, keep in mind that the Braves score the 3rd most runs per game in the NL, and give up the 3rd fewest.

So it's not as if they suck.

2008-04-20 18:32:21
39.   LogikReader

Very true. I believe I picked the Braves to finish 2nd in the NL East this year. I'm very high on their overall lineup and I also knew Yunel Escobar could have a nice breakout season.

2008-04-20 18:40:28
40.   Daniel Zappala
It's times like this that I turn to my wife, the film major. I showed her the clip and she said "Oh, that's The Lost Weekend." And it all made sense.

I feel like I just had a lost week. I don't ordinarily take an entire week off, and I had fun with my family, but now that I'm back I have the feeling that I've been gone forever. So much work to do this week. Let's hope the Dodgers get back to work too.

2008-04-20 18:48:12
41.   Greg Brock
Nice scene when Jefferson congratulates Adams on his son's ascendancy to the presidency.

He forgot, however, to thank Henry Clay.

2008-04-20 18:48:41
42.   D4P
I'm technically taking a week off in May to go to the beach, though I'll probably bring a laptop with me.

Those articles aren't gonna write themselves...

2008-04-20 18:50:00
43.   natepurcell

His strikeout rate is pretty high. I would keep him there for a while. Even though he is talented hitter, he still has some holes that he should work on.

But he is definitely exciting me.

2008-04-20 18:52:19
44.   Bob Timmermann
No spoilers!

Who's this Henry Clay you speak of?

2008-04-20 18:58:57
45.   das411
2008-04-20 19:01:28
46.   Bob Timmermann
David Wright only has two hits.
2008-04-20 19:03:47
47.   PalmdaleSteve1

No they don't...but the Dodgers offense is going a good limitation of a vacuum cleaner right now.

What was the old commercial from one manufacturer with the bolling ball?

2008-04-20 19:10:48
48.   bhsportsguy
How many times this year will Clayton Kershaw pitch and be the third best starter to throw for a Dodger minor league team that day.
2008-04-20 19:17:28
49.   Fallout
I saw more bats in that movie than I saw on the Dodgers. (I wrote that b4 reading back through the thread 11 .)

Let me make a D4P comment. See, the Dodgers don't need power. Every time they hit a HR they lose.

2008-04-20 19:23:19
50.   das411
46 , you mean Jon Miller lied to me? And/or doesn't know what he is talking about?
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2008-04-20 19:24:45
51.   Bob Timmermann
I think he meant that the Mets needed a home run to hit for the cycle in the inning.
2008-04-20 19:31:50
52.   das411
but who cares about hitting for a cycle in an inning? There isn't even an elaborate alert system for that!
2008-04-20 19:40:01
53.   Daniel Zappala
52 It's the same system, but all the colors are washed out. Peach, flax, and pink.
2008-04-20 19:42:00
54.   Fallout
52 das411
but who cares about hitting for a cycle in an inning?

Well, if the Dodgers did that...

2008-04-20 19:44:41
55.   NorCal-Dodger
Looks like the Big Hurt is looking for a new team, appears that the B-Jays have the gumption to cut loose a slumping PVL. Think Ned or Frank would swallow some big contracts to wake the team up from their malaise? I know it's early, but......
2008-04-20 19:45:34
56.   trainwreck
He can only DH.
2008-04-20 19:48:57
57.   Greg Brock
55 If he's willing to pinch hit and DH in interleague play only.*

*He's not

44 He's the guy that wanted to be president more than any human being ever. Yes, more than Adlai or Nixon.

2008-04-20 19:51:45
58.   NorCal-Dodger
56 57 Actually I was alluding, if Ned and company would do the same with some of our vets.
2008-04-20 19:53:01
59.   MC Safety
I missed most of this weekend's games thanks to the Grand Prix.

Why did Juan Pierre start today?

2008-04-20 19:54:21
60.   k j
Not a regular here, more of a lurker, but I wanted to make the point that someone likely made in the previous thread. The Dodgers started 12-2 (i.e. Diamondback start) in 2005 and lost 91. We started 8-10 in 2006 and won 88. Nobody don't know nothin yet.
2008-04-20 19:54:34
61.   trainwreck
Maybe Nomar, but not Pierre or Jones.
2008-04-20 20:17:39
62.   Bob Timmermann
I asked about Henry Clay for bhsportsguy's benefit.

I've read Remini's bio on Clay. I can go set up a thread for us to debate the merits of the Compromise of 1850 over on the Griddle.

2008-04-20 20:22:19
63.   Bob Timmermann
There will not be a "parade" for the Stanley Cup in Anaheim this year.
2008-04-20 20:22:53
64.   Longhorn Bill
57 More than William Jennings Bryan?
2008-04-20 20:24:39
65.   trainwreck
Hopefully it will be in San Jose.
2008-04-20 20:25:51
66.   Bob Timmermann
Clay was interested in being president in pretty much every election in which he was eligible.

Clay also was elected Speaker of the House in his first House term. He had previously done a short term in the Senate to fill out another term. Despite being too young to be eligible to serve in the Senate.

2008-04-20 20:27:14
67.   Bob Timmermann
It would behoove the Sharks to win Game 7 against Calgary.

It's a bold strategy.

2008-04-20 20:30:33
68.   Longhorn Bill
66 That is true, but Bryan was the Democratic nominee for President three times (1896, 1900, and again in 1908).
2008-04-20 20:33:55
69.   MC Safety
63 They are parading in Eindhoven. Or they were.
2008-04-20 20:34:03
70.   trainwreck

Many said Flames would be Sharks hardest test. Many may be right.

2008-04-20 20:35:01
71.   Jon Weisman
Boy, hard to top that Adams finale for sheer moroseness. There is no joy in Peacefield, mighty John has checked out.
2008-04-20 20:44:25
72.   Greg Brock
71 Not only was Peacefield thoroughly depressing, but I am following it up by grading tests.

There is a sort of deflating sadness that accompanies grading tests. It's one quarter frustration towards the students, and three quarters blaming yourself for not doing a better job teaching. Even if the scores are decent.

There is no joy in Brockville :-(

2008-04-20 20:47:33
73.   LogikReader
Frank Thomas: the Giants should go sign him!!

I'm not kidding

2008-04-20 20:48:24
74.   Bob Timmermann
71 72
No spoilers! I still cling to the belief that John Adams is happily living in Braintree at the age of 272.
2008-04-20 20:49:30
75.   Greg Brock
74 Adams survives!

/Reverse last words

2008-04-20 21:05:17
76.   Bob Timmermann
The opposition party won the presidency in Paraguay ending the longest current streak of one party's (the Colorado) control over a country. It was 62 years.

The Communist Party of North Korea is your new leader.

It's sort of like Juan Pierre sitting out on opening day.

2008-04-20 21:17:00
77.   trainwreck
I bet Juan Pierre has a better arm than Kim Jong-il.
2008-04-20 21:20:45
78.   Greg Brock
Dear Leader is a better golfer.
2008-04-20 21:22:12
79.   trainwreck
I have never played golf before, but I have hit 78 holes-in-one.
2008-04-20 21:45:35
80.   KingKopitar
29 Shoot, I knew they were going to do that to Alexander Hamilton. It's not easy being a Hamilton supporter in this day and age. How did they specifically treat him?
2008-04-20 21:52:51
81.   Bob Timmermann
Apparently Benjamin Rush was the Highlander of his time. He's walking around after he's dead!
2008-04-20 21:58:02
82.   Greg Brock
80 As though he was delusional.

Hamilton was right about the future of the American economy. Jefferson was wrong.

That didn't seem to make it into the minseries.

2008-04-20 22:00:05
83.   Icaros
Well, I survived my plane trip, and the Lakers won. Who are these Dodgers people speak of?

Now Shimmin has a list named for me, too. What an honor.

KG16 and I may have met. I never took the novel class, but I'd bet your teacher was either Fried (who also taught my father in the late 70s) or Cooper (whom I have a personal vendetta against). Oh, and Greenburg may have been spelled Greenberg, can't quite remember.

2008-04-20 22:04:35
84.   Bob Timmermann
So now we know that Greg Brock's real name is Ron Chernow!
2008-04-20 22:11:44
85.   KingKopitar
82 Seriously, an agrarian economy? Great idea, idiot.

I'm not a big Jefferson fan.

2008-04-20 22:11:44
86.   Reddog
I have a proposed trade. We trade our entire roster straight across for the D-Backs roster.

Would that be a good trade?

2008-04-20 22:15:41
87.   Greg Brock
82 84 85

The deification of Jefferson is, to me, among the most baffling things in American history.

Get a room, Thomas Jefferson and people who love Thomas Jefferson.

2008-04-20 22:16:44
88.   Jon Weisman
I wish I were with it enough to have strong opinions about our forefathers. American Studies Thoughts would have been a lot more interesting. Maybe in my dotage I'll spin that blog off.
2008-04-20 22:18:58
89.   trainwreck
I wish the Dodgers would start winning, so there would be less threads that make me realize how little I have learned.
2008-04-20 22:19:40
90.   Greg Brock
88 I read Borneman's bio of James K. Polk over Spring Break, and it was phenomenal. I highly recommend it.

It could have also been called Polk: And those other guys after Jackson and before Lincoln, you know, those guys.

Of course, I don't have more free time than others :-)

2008-04-20 22:20:04
91.   Jon Weisman
Eric Enders is the man!

"Every serious baseball fan has had moments when they see a dumb managerial move and say, 'Hey, I could manage better than that guy,'" says Eric Enders, a baseball researcher and author who avidly plays Richman's game. "Strat-O-Matic is a chance to prove it."

2008-04-20 22:20:18
92.   Bob Timmermann
So does Rule 5 not apply when discussing the late 18th or early 19th Century

Which was more controversial Paul DePodesta's term as GM of the Dodgers or Henry Clay's American System?

2008-04-20 22:21:56
93.   Icaros

I know, as a product of the California public school system, who only paid attention to history when forced to memorize facts for quizzes and tests, I was really getting a crush on Thomas Jefferson as portrayed in "John Adams" (I haven't seen the final episode yet).

Now Brock has made me feel like a guy who thinks Juan Pierre is good because he gets 200 hits a year.

2008-04-20 22:23:36
94.   bhsportsguy
82 He needs a better publicist.

Though is life is certainly more movie worthy, soldier, confidante/protege of George Washington, his affair, his anonymous writings in support of the constitution, his role in the elections of 1796 and 1800, and of course, his duel with Aaron Burr.

2008-04-20 22:23:39
95.   Jon Weisman
93 - Ha, exactly!

I mean, I majored in American Studies. I should have retained some of this stuff, right?

At least I knew Washington had two terms.

2008-04-20 22:25:49
96.   Greg Brock
I was really getting a crush on Thomas Jefferson as portrayed in "John Adams"

You're like a white, free, male Sally Hemings!

2008-04-20 22:28:11
97.   Bob Timmermann
Hamilton founded a company called "The Society to Promote Useful Manufactures."

Greg Brock has founded "The Society to Promote Really Awesome Stuff."

2008-04-20 22:28:21
98.   bhsportsguy
87 After watching the HBO series, I was left with an impression of Jefferson as a whiny elitist. But then, he didn't have a recognizable actor playing his role.
2008-04-20 22:30:03
99.   Jon Weisman
98 - John Adams won't drink any Merlot!
2008-04-20 22:32:33
100.   Greg Brock
97 Well now that you've come up with it, it does sound like a pretty cool society. I'm all over it.

98 I was stoked that Rufus Sewell was going to play Hamilton, until I remembered that Sewell only plays creeps and weirdos.

They might as well gotten Brad Dourif.

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2008-04-20 22:32:47
101.   Bob Timmermann
The final part of "John Adams" had a very screwy timeline. People died at the wrong time, events happened way out of their era (Trumbull's painting was finished decades earlier) and Benjamin Rush seemingly never died.
2008-04-20 22:34:34
102.   trainwreck
Good old, crazy Benjamin Rush. Always up to his tricks.
2008-04-20 22:35:02
103.   Eric Stephen
I've been thinking of re-upping with HBO. Is the Adams series worth accelerating that decision?

I feel dumb for wanting to wait until Flight of the Conchords returns.

2008-04-20 22:35:29
104.   KingKopitar
I should have known Hamilton would be unfairly maligned as soon as I saw that Rufus Sewell would be portraying him. He, along with Sean Bean, just screams "bad guy."
2008-04-20 22:36:24
105.   KingKopitar
I'm beginning to think that Greg Brock is me if I were a faster typer.
2008-04-20 22:37:35
106.   bhsportsguy
100 His eyebrows have not grown back. Andy Serkis was originally up for the role but balked when he realized that he would spend most of the movie gurgling "Centralized Government"
2008-04-20 22:37:45
107.   Greg Brock
105 Dear lord, for your sake, let that not be the case.
2008-04-20 22:37:52
108.   Icaros

Sewell was definitely not a creep or weirdo as Fortinbras in Branagh's Hamlet.

He was 100% badass. Inspired the "My thoughts be bloody, or be nothing worth!" speech and everything.

2008-04-20 22:39:23
109.   Greg Brock
106 Andy Serkis would make a fantastic giant, CGI John Jay.
2008-04-20 22:41:57
110.   trainwreck
Brad Dourif was probably busy doing another Child's Play movie.
2008-04-20 22:43:30
111.   nofatmike
My dad recently read a book on Hamilton. He said, out of all of the founding fathers, Hamilton was so authoritarian, he was practically a monarchist. HBO's interpretation seems pretty accurate with that description.
2008-04-20 22:44:09
112.   KingKopitar
I was disappointed they didn't have my favorite character in all of history in that mini-series: ladies and gentlemen, Hercules Mulligan!
2008-04-20 22:45:53
113.   Bob Timmermann
There was no Button Gwinnett. Nor was there everyone's favorite underdog patriot, George Mason.

George Mason was bounced and replaced by an actor who looked like Joakim Noah.

2008-04-20 22:46:00
114.   trainwreck
This is probably a stupid question, but isn't all the information we have about any of the founding fathers completely biased?

So do we really know much about them?

2008-04-20 22:47:58
115.   Greg Brock
111 Very much so. Yet he realized he was in the minority, and fervently pushed for ratification of the Constitution. And realized that America's future was industrialization, not a society of gentleman farmers on plantations.

And pretty much saw sectional politics as the biggest threat to America's future.

2008-04-20 22:50:54
116.   KingKopitar
114 I think there's been a real change among historians towards Federalists in recent years. The problem is that Jefferson's crew won in the immediate aftermath of the founding of the United States so his ideas get credited more. The most surprising thing I've found is that I like George Washington the more I learn about him.
2008-04-20 22:50:59
117.   Bob Timmermann
Almost all the Founding Fathers wrote letters. Lots and lots and lots and lots of letters. John Adams wrote so much stuff that they're still trying to organize it.

The newspapers of the late 18th and early 19th Century were all partisan and pretty much consisted of one side hurling mud at the other.

2008-04-20 22:54:12
118.   bhsportsguy
114 Didn't someone smarter than me once say that history is written by the winners.

And I am not sure that bias is limited to the portrayal of just the founding fathers.

2008-04-20 22:57:25
119.   trainwreck
Of course not, but it is just the topic at hand.

Anyways, Ned sucks.

rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble

2008-04-20 22:58:19
120.   Bob Timmermann
History may be written by the winners, but that didn't stop everyone in New England from writing books about the Red Sox prior to 2004.
2008-04-20 23:01:02
121.   Greg Brock

That's the best quote. Ever.

2008-04-20 23:01:22
122.   trainwreck
It is a good thing that Great Leader Jong-il will get rid of all books that are not about his golf game.
2008-04-20 23:07:31
123.   Dodgers49
Pardon me for interrupting History Thoughts. :-)

But LaRoche's backers here might not like this from Gurnick:

Infielders going in different directions

>> DeWitt's surprising play, along with Garciaparra's guaranteed contract and LaRoche's injury, could turn LaRoche from a possible Major League starter to a Minor Leaguer once he's healthy. <<

2008-04-20 23:08:18
124.   Longhorn Bill
120 LOL Well done, Bob.
2008-04-20 23:10:40
125.   Greg Brock
123 It's okay. This conversation will repeat itself eventually.
2008-04-20 23:13:03
126.   bhsportsguy
123 Let's cross that bridge when Andy is hitting the ball out in AA.
2008-04-20 23:14:57
127.   trainwreck
I am confused. Which one is Alexander Hamilton?

Is it Dewitt or is it LaRoche? It can't be Nomar. Or can it?

2008-04-20 23:17:47
128.   bhsportsguy
120 Bob is just upset because he had clear space in the stacks for multiple copies of "The Curse of the Bambino"
2008-04-20 23:21:22
129.   bhsportsguy
127 It must be Andy LaRoche, he's the one with the baseball pedigree and million dollar (and one cent) bonus.

Dewitt is nice Southern lad while Nomar is from East L.A. with a stopover in the North East.

Actually, I have no idea what I am saying, I'm still recovering from watching UCLA QBs attempt to complete a pass the other night.

2008-04-20 23:22:15
130.   Bob Timmermann
Baseball Reference lists 8 major leaguers who had names that started "Thomas Jefferson". All with a different surname.

There are 19 "George Washington" types. Most are the first and middle name types, but there is one guy who went by George Washington, although his name wasn't George.

There was a guy named John Adams who played from 1910-19, but he went by Bert. The Brewers had a Jon Adams from 2004-2006, but he preferred to go by Mike.

2008-04-20 23:22:55
131.   trainwreck
You brave soul.

That reminds me, is Cierre Wood going to make one of Bob's lists? He did pick Touchdown Jesus over UCLA.

2008-04-20 23:29:08
132.   nofatmike
123 "But LaRoche's backers here might not like this from Gurnick"

There's nothing that Gurnick evers says that LaRoche backers will ever like. That's more of an indictment of Gurnick than LaRoche, however.

2008-04-20 23:30:12
133.   bhsportsguy
131 Actually the brave soul is Norm Chow, who was wearing shorts into the brisk Westwood evening.
2008-04-20 23:49:17
134.   Greg Brock
Gurnick hates LaRoche and Tony Jackson hates Billingsley and all is right with the world.
2008-04-21 00:22:01
135.   berkowit28
99 The question is whether John Adams would drink Sam Adams. Probably not.

I found the portrayal of Abigail Adams very convincing, and good. But I had no preconception of what she might have really been like.

I actually liked John Adams as well. Of course, about 10 to 20% of the time, he just couldn't help but be the usual gormless Paul Giamatti. (I just saw him again in American Splendor on IFC last night, which didn't help.) Shrugs, raised eyebrows, over-abashment. The other 80-90% was excellent.

I still haven't seen the last two episodes - soon to come on my DVR. So far it's much better than the typical bio-mini-series.

2008-04-21 00:23:41
136.   berkowit28
123 Gurnick is just an uninformed schmuck, except when he's informed (not in this case, since no decision has been made yet).
2008-04-21 00:48:12
137.   bhsportsguy
135 Abigail Adams has been portrayed only once before on television in the PBS show "The Adams Chronicles" which aired in 1976, just released this year on DVD. The actress that portrayed in that series was Kathryn Walker.
2008-04-21 01:15:34
138.   overkill94
I was trying to figure out the metaphor for us being the mouse and the Braves being the crazy bat until I realized it was a clip from Lost Weekend. I'm sure there's still somewhat of a connection with the mouse thing though.
2008-04-21 01:19:42
139.   Jon Weisman
138 - It all works.
2008-04-21 04:33:38
140.   Ken Noe
I know I feel almost hungover from the series.
2008-04-21 07:04:55
141.   Bob Hendley
Lost myself this weekend on the beaches of Puerto Escondido, Oaxaca, and just catching up. A bit easier to take in retrospect and Jon's post on how the Bums are doing on average helped, but really feel for you guys who watched it (un)blow by (un)blow.
2008-04-21 07:17:13
142.   D4P
Has anyone ever seen any research that looks at which some teams (or players) get hit by pitches more than others? I would guess the "conventional wisdom" is that teams that hit a lot of HRs get a lot of retaliation HBPs, but I don't know if that's ever been explored.

But stuff like this makes me wonder:

LA Dodgers
Kansas City
NY Mets
St. Louis
San Francisco
COMBINED: 19 HBPs in 2008

18 HBPs in 2008

2008-04-21 07:18:39
143.   CodyS
The Dodgers little league team will feel better today, after Juan Pierre's mom took them all out for pizza last night.
2008-04-21 07:23:34
144.   Bob Hendley
142 - Make sure to exlude extreme outlier Ron Hunt, who was hit (or had himself hit) by 50 pitches in one season. Should have been invited to ST to work with JP.
2008-04-21 07:26:19
145.   D4P
I wonder if stat-minded GMs have started taking into account hitters' propensities to lean over the plate.
2008-04-21 07:26:32
146.   Bob Hendley
Ron Hunt: 39 career HRs and 243 HBPs
2008-04-21 07:30:19
147.   D4P
Did Ron Hunt frequently bad immediately after a "slugger"...?
2008-04-21 07:31:50
148.   Bob Hendley
But only 22 sacrifices. Perhaps they need to redefine the term.
2008-04-21 07:31:54
149.   Disabled List
I liked the John Adams miniseries, but that's really just because I'm a sucker for dry, arch, historical, period biopics. And of course last night's episode was going to be depressing. It's about Adams getting old and watching everybody he knows die and then dying himself. One thing that stayed with me from last night's episode: A mastectomy without anesthesia strikes me as being particularly unpleasant.

The whole series was really just a prequel to the movie Amistad, which I'm going to rent and watch next Sunday night. Gotta get my Adams fix now, even if it's just Quincy.

2008-04-21 07:34:42
150.   Bob Timmermann
Ron Hunt batted leadoff most of the time the year he got 50 HBP. Hunt leaned into a lot of pitches and wore a very baggy uniform. He wanted to get hit by the pitch.

Of Cleveland's 18 HBPs, 4 are from Grady Sizemore, who bats leadoff and 3 from Jamey Carroll. And if you're hitting Jamey Carroll to send a message, I think you need a political consultant to get you a better message.

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2008-04-21 07:36:03
151.   Bob Hendley
148 - Oops, make that sacrifice flies. I recall him generally batting second or in the 7-8th spot, so I am guessing that pitchers were actually tying not to hit him.
2008-04-21 07:36:24
152.   D4P
How often was Hunt called out for leaning into pitches...?
2008-04-21 07:44:58
153.   Bob Timmermann
In 1971, Hunt batted leadoff 112 times and batted in the #2 hole 29 times.
2008-04-21 07:45:20
154.   Bob Timmermann
I would put that number at zero most likely.
2008-04-21 07:48:01
155.   gpellamjr
152 I've started to doubt whether that's even a rule anymore. I see guys leaning into pitches, or having their swing take them into a pitch that shouldn't have hit them and then get the base anyway all the time.

Greg Pellam softball update-- My team, The Godless Heathens, played a double header last night. The first game we lost 12-11. I had a single and two walks. The second game we won 15-11 and I had 2 singles and 2 walks. I pitched terribly in the first game, but played a flawless 1B in the second.

I'm going to tonight's game in Cincinnati and tomorrow's. I plan to enjoy each game as a discreet unit, as if the Dodgers were not struggling so far this season, and as if there were no more games after this season. This way I won't be too disappointed if there is a disappointing lineup on the field.

2008-04-21 07:48:24
156.   delias man
1973 team was 7-11 to start, they ended up with 95 wins. They used a lot of OF's that year. It was the beginning of a great stretch of Dodger Baseball.
2008-04-21 07:49:19
157.   Bob Hendley
Talk about acrificing oneself, the first LA Dodger traded to that team by the bay.
2008-04-21 07:50:32
158.   Bob Hendley
swallowed the "s": sacrificing.
2008-04-21 08:11:28
159.   JoeyP
Dodgers will need to make some history this season. From the write up of yesterday's game:

The Dodgers have never finished first in a season when they've fallen six games back in April.

2008-04-21 08:17:21
160.   regfairfield
They've also never come back from a deficit of more than 7.5 games.
2008-04-21 08:23:53
161.   Neal Pollack
I think we all need to accept the fact that this isn't the year. Pleasant surprises are always nicer than unfulfilled expectations.
2008-04-21 08:29:11
162.   regfairfield
I really don't get the mindset that leads to calling a very promising season over after 18 games. Do you want to be able to claim you called it first or something? Granted, someone called it first a week ago, so you don't have that.
2008-04-21 08:29:52
163.   Bob Hendley
142 - My memory is probably clouded by watching Drysdale pitch, but as I recall back in the day a little chin music was expected after a dinger, if only to reestablish who owned the plate. Don't see much of that these days. For egregious displays, say K/Guo bat flip, the next hitter could expect to get nailed in the back.
2008-04-21 08:31:52
164.   Bob Timmermann
My mother has been reincarnated and come back as Neal Pollock.

If that's the case, would you be available to answer some questions later...

2008-04-21 08:32:01
165.   JoeyP
Here's a quick look at a couple things that jump out with regards to the offense:

Loney's--.299/.342/448 in 67Abs. Sure those numbers are pretty good, especially given his salary. However, compared to the league average of 1st basemen--It's nothing special.

Ethier's-.290/.342/.468 in 62Abs. Again, not bad for his salary. But not that great compared to other corner OF'ers.

Kemp has 1 bb in 50 Abs.

I'm not sure the Dodgers can be an above average offense, if these players dont perform above average.

2008-04-21 08:36:11
166.   CanuckDodger
Just three years ago, we got off to a 12-2 start, and ended up losing 91 games by the end of the season. So as disappointing as our slow start this season has been, throwing in the towel now is ridiculous. I like our talent, and that is the bottom line for me.
2008-04-21 08:39:50
167.   Ken Noe
162 It's been a perfect storm, but I still think that the LADs are just one little good stretch away from righting the ship.
2008-04-21 08:40:28
168.   regfairfield
165 Using PECOTA's really unoptimistic projections (Loney at .291/.355/.464, Ethier at .285/.353/.451, and a rotation where only Kuroda and Billingsley are under 4.50 ERA) we still win 87 games, so we'll still be fine even with that.
2008-04-21 08:45:13
169.   CanuckDodger
165 -- Why are you talking like those stats are frozen in amber for the rest of the season? Three games ago, Loney was "on pace" for a league MVP season. And I suppose if Billingsley has an ERA over 6.00 for the rest of the year, that's going to be a problem too.
2008-04-21 08:47:23
170.   Neal Pollack
I'm not throwing in the towel, but I think diminishing expectations are usually good; and Bob, I have often gone about my business like a Jewish mother.
2008-04-21 08:50:52
171.   Kevin Lewis

Wouldn't it just be called a strike if the pitch was over the plate? I am pretty sure that is the ruling. I am hoping I never need to call that in a little league game. The parents would go nuts.

2008-04-21 08:51:20
172.   JoeyP
169--They arent frozen, but I personally dont see Ethier/Loney being much better over the course of the season than what their lines are right now.

168--How can Pecota predict 87 wins when the only starters below a 4.50 ERA are Kuroda/Billingsley? Its seems like Pecota believes the strength of the team is in the offense, and it did predict much more from Andruw than what the team is currently getting. Maybe Druw getting hot will make all the difference (if he does).

2008-04-21 08:55:28
173.   regfairfield
172 Looking at it, they must have reran the projections because suddenly our rotations numbers really improved. Only Bills is under 4 now (at 3.99) but we've got four guys under 4.25.
2008-04-21 09:01:16
174.   Andrew Shimmin
If you want to get out from under Loney, Conor Jackson is hitting .377/.469/.717 over 64 PAs, and I think he might be available!
2008-04-21 09:01:25
175.   OhioBlues12
166 - While it is good to maintain some perspective, it should also be noted that the 2008 Dbacks have a ton more talent than that 2005 Dodgers team. I am sure the Dbacks will have their struggles to, but they look to be an serious threats for the pennant.
2008-04-21 09:04:22
176.   Bob Timmermann
As my mother would have said, "If you want perspective, go stand somewhere above what you want to see and make sure it has an unobstructed view."
2008-04-21 09:05:21
177.   regfairfield
175 Of course, but we're a really good team too.
2008-04-21 09:07:55
178.   OhioBlues12
177 - I agree and I don't know why I feel this way, but I feel that Torre is getting really close to going with a set lineup which will include Kemp and Ethier. I also feel that LaRoche will be displacing Nomar in short-order upon his return.
2008-04-21 09:09:01
179.   CanuckDodger
172 -- Then just admit that Loney and Ethier's current numbers are completely irrelvent to your beliefs instead of trotting them out. You've NEVER liked either guy, and obviously you have been waiting the whole season for their numbers to finally fall in line with your expectations, just so you can say "SEE! I TOLD YOU ALL!" But there is no more reason to believe those numbers prove anything now than Billingsley's bad ERA proves anything now, and I know you like Billingsley. You can't be selective in choosing whose numbers after 18 games are gospel truth based on whom you like and dislike. That's just exhibiting bias with a misleading statistical cover.
2008-04-21 09:13:38
180.   wronghanded
I don't think Billingsley's ERA is going to stay over 6 but I am beginning to question his ability as a starter. Chad might be of best service to us in the bullpen. When "Bad Chad" shows up, it's easier to yank him if he's in the pen. He has electric stuff, no question, but he's a 2-pitch hurler with command issues and has rarely shown the ability to go more than about 6 innings. Maybe his command will improve with age and if that is the case then yes he belongs in the starting rotation. But it seems to me that his ERA last year may have been a bit of an aberration with his inflated WHIP and his propensity to fall behind in the count.
2008-04-21 09:16:12
181.   regfairfield
180 Billingsley has a 3.55 ERA in his career as a starter. It's a slightly lucky 3.55, but we've still gotten ace level run prevention from Bills in his career. You can't pull that from your rotation.
2008-04-21 09:21:01
182.   CanuckDodger
180 -- Billingsley not only isn't a "2-pitch hurler," he has FIVE pitches. Four-seam fastball, two-seam fastball, curve, slider, anc cutter. He just lacks a change-up, and it is not unusual for starters with his stuff to never master a change-up, because they don't really need it.
2008-04-21 09:22:14
183.   wronghanded
181 Don't get me wrong, I think the sky is the limit with Bills, I am just rarely comfortable when he throws because of his command issues, his strand rates are great but why walk the tight-rope when we can drop him into the pen for about couple of weeks and let him regain some confidence in his pitches?
2008-04-21 09:23:31
184.   Andrew Shimmin
179- Look, if you ignore what Loney did last year, and the year before, it's a completely reasonable projection. Outside of those two years, what has he ever done? Sure, he was good in Rookie ball, but that was six years ago!
2008-04-21 09:24:34
185.   ToyCannon
How many "ace" pitchers go more then 6 innings these days given the pitch count restrictions? Would you be pulling Kuroda from the rotation since it also appears he's a 5 inning pitcher based on 4 starts?
2008-04-21 09:26:42
186.   wronghanded
182 When he gets ahead in the count he seems to unleash his arsenal but when he's struggling to find the dish, I really only see the 4-seamer and the deuce. It's like those 2 pitches are the only one's that he has confidence in.
2008-04-21 09:26:57
187.   Longhorn Bill
Ethier's diving catch was #2 on Sportcenter's top 10 plays.
2008-04-21 09:27:41
188.   ToyCannon
Now if he could get command of those FIVE pitches then I guess we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Hey, Chad lost some control on Saturday. At least he's not getting crushed like Cain who was considered by most to be his better. Who would have thought that Matt Cain would be a piece of crap and we'd still be staring up at the Giants?

2008-04-21 09:29:47
189.   wronghanded
Kuroda has good command from what we've seen so far, so I think he'll go deep into games from time to time. Chad can get there, he just isn't finding the dish as regularly as he should. I think he looked great last outing (obviously until the 5th) but it seems like he loses the zone and the wheels completely fall off.
2008-04-21 09:30:36
190.   Billy Buck
Does Chad Billingsley = Bobby Witt? I'm beginning to think so. Witt had such phenomenal stuff, yet never put any consistency together during his career, and ended up a mediocre pitcher. Million dollar arm, ten-cent head, I think was used to describe him. Billingsley seems headed down the same path- one or two starts, he'll look lights out, then he'll follow up with starts and innings that just make you shake your head. Really hope I'm wrong on this.
2008-04-21 09:31:09
191.   wronghanded
188 I know that it's early in the season and I'm probably jumping the gun on Bills but you have to admit, its a bit concerning.
2008-04-21 09:31:15
192.   blue22
182 - What's the difference between a cutter and a two-seamer? I thought those were about the same thing (and the slider, for that matter, since what most people call a "slider" is more like a "slurve").
2008-04-21 09:35:56
193.   regfairfield
190 Once again, 3.55 ERA as a starter in his career.

Even if he is mediocre, who should we replace him with. Kerhsaw? If he struggles with his control, then does that mean he has Billingsley syndrome?

2008-04-21 09:36:11
194.   underdog
(Combining threads) I think perhaps Andy Serkis should play Andy LaRoche when he comes back off the DL. That would be hard for Torre to turn down. Although, right now Nomar sort of looks like the Gollum when he plays the infield so maybe there'd be little difference.

I said this yesterday but as frustrated as I am with the Dodgers' start, I'm less worried and depressed about it than I would be if they simply weren't very good. If they had this kind of start and we were debating Grabowski vs Edwards, __i vs. Phillips, and so on, I'd be, you know, a bit more pessimistic.

It was a little irritating yesterday taking some crap from a soccer teammate of mine, who is from the UK but also a baseball fan (well below EPL of course), is a very confident A's fan, and was mocking me for having a team below the Giants in the standings. I had to do the whole "it's really early, blah blah" speech but I'd rather not have to take that kinda guff right now. So, c'mon Dodgers!

2008-04-21 09:38:24
195.   CanuckDodger
190 -- Oh, for God's sake. He was great for half a season last year, start to start to start and so on. He was our best starter for three whole months. Now he's had THREE starts in a new season, and you have forgotten everything else? And Billingsley does not have a "ten-cent head." His arm isn't really good enough to have had the success he has had in the majors without some real pitching smarts. Edwin Jackson has a far better arm, and I think we traded him because even Logan White questioned if he had what it takes between the ears.
2008-04-21 09:40:08
196.   ToyCannon
I know you don't post here much and I don't want to keep you from posting but that is a terrible comp.
Are you guys really unaware that Chad was our best pitcher for the whole 2nd half last season.

No I don't have to admit it is concerning. It is concerning to you, not to most of us. Maybe your expectation of Chad is to high. What do you want him to be then remember his age and look at what other aces in this league were doing at his age.

2008-04-21 09:40:49
197.   fanerman
I don't know about you, but Mr. 3.55 ERA doesn't concern me.
2008-04-21 09:41:56
198.   Jon Weisman
Chad Billingsley is 23 years old.

He averaged 5.9 innings as a starting pitcher last season, including the time he was transitioning from the bullpen. He allowed eight baserunners per six innings. He was absolutely electric for the first four innings Saturday.

If you're down on Billingsley, you're basically letting three bad innings this year overwhelm his ongoing record.
Is Billingsley going to become one of those players who get remembered for what they do when they're at their worst instead of what they do when they're at their best?

2008-04-21 09:42:09
199.   Xeifrank
I'm not worried about Chad Billingsley. Good pitcher, small sample size, still early, make adjustments, don't worry.
vr, Xei
2008-04-21 09:42:38
200.   ToyCannon
While doing the prospect recap at true blue last night it seemed to me that this might have been one of best weekends of prospect pitching we've had in my memory. Everyone was dealing this weekend.
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2008-04-21 09:44:51
201.   CanuckDodger
184 -- Do we really get to ignore what Loney did the last two years, and still call a projection based more on 2003 than on 2006 or 2007 "reasonable?" And Loney had a broken wrist and then a broken finger after that great rookie ball stint, so the reasonable thing is to write off stats that were impaired by playing through injury. Or does anybody think Furcal's 2007 stats reflect his talent?
2008-04-21 09:45:39
202.   Bob Timmermann
Chad Billingsley should hope to have a career as long as Bobby Witt's. Witt pitched in 16 seasons and earned a World Series ring in his last season before he retired: 2001 with Arizona.
2008-04-21 09:46:06
203.   Jon Weisman
In 17 starts last year, Billingsley allowed four runs or more five times.
2008-04-21 09:47:44
204.   Jon Weisman
201 - 184 was joking.
2008-04-21 09:48:20
205.   Bob Timmermann
The Red Sox have knocked out Kason "Yo Gabba" Gabbard in the third inning in the Patriots Day matinee in Boston.
2008-04-21 09:48:57
206.   overkill94
192 The difference in movement is fairly minimal, but the speeds will vary. A 2-seamer is a normal fastball gripped on the long part of the seams instead of across the wide white part. It's only 1-2 MPH slower than the 4-seamer and has little movement. The cutter is thrown like a 4-seamer with either the middle or index finger displaced a little depending on which way you want to cut it. It comes in 3-4 MPH slower than the 4-seamer and has more movement, which is why it is sometimes confused with a slider. The slider is the only one of the three that has a snapping motion and thus comes in usually 6-8 MPH slower than the 4-seamer and has the hardest movement.

The difference between a slurve and a slider is all about the angle of the break. A normal curve will have loosely a 12-6 break while a true slider will be almost 3-9. A slurve will come in between the two at something like a 1.5-7.5 break. I see Chad's as closer to a slider than a slurve.

2008-04-21 09:50:52
207.   underdog
Yah I got the facetiousness in 184 , but maybe it needed a :-/ face.

I will predict one thing about this little series with the Reds. I predict the Dodgers average more than 1 run a game for the series. If not, I may start on a long crying jag.

2008-04-21 09:51:22
208.   ToyCannon
Should Canuck be breathing into a brown paper bag right about now?
Sometimes sarcasm is missed on the printed page but Andrew's post screamed it. The only thing missing was some reference to the hot start by ECR alum Connor Jackson.
2008-04-21 09:52:35
209.   overkill94
205 Unless the Red Sox snuck into his hotel room and gave him a lumpy mattress, I think it's his own doing that brought him out of the game - they're saying it's back spasms that derailed his wonderful no-hit outing.
2008-04-21 09:52:46
210.   ToyCannon
Old friend Joe Thurston starting in LF for the Red Sox today. To early for Manny to be Manny?
2008-04-21 09:53:49
211.   Bob Timmermann
I knew my mortal enemy would get back at me...
2008-04-21 09:55:34
212.   Jon Weisman
205 - Excellent nickname.
2008-04-21 09:56:07
213.   ToyCannon
One walk in 50 at bats for Kemp is not something that should be glossed over by small sample size.
2008-04-21 09:57:22
214.   D4P
Agreed. I'll cut Kemp some slack for what people around here seem to think is an abnormally large strike zone, though I'm not sure why umpires would treat him differently from other (young) players
2008-04-21 09:58:47
215.   CanuckDodger
204, 207, 208 -- I couldn't tell Andrew was being "funny," because it sounded like stuff Loney's detractors keep saying in all seriousness.
2008-04-21 09:59:45
216.   D4P
I couldn't tell Andrew was being "funny,"

That seems to be going around.

2008-04-21 10:00:23
217.   LogikReader
I will predict one thing about this little series with the Reds. I predict the Dodgers average more than 1 run a game

How quickly we forget:

2008-04-21 10:01:24
218.   Bob Timmermann
Andrew's default condition is "sarcastic."

Right now, Andrew is using his Oregon State t-shirt to pass himself off as a CalTrans worker as part of an elaborate heist.

2008-04-21 10:04:00
219.   D4P
Andrew's default condition is "sarcastic."

Yeah. What a jerk.

2008-04-21 10:04:20
220.   Bluebleeder87
From what Ive been reading the last few days it looks like the D-Backs are the flavor of the month [cough cough] sorry about that the NL West sweet hearts these days.
2008-04-21 10:06:32
221.   Kevin Lewis
my family was at the STL game yesterday. They said they left early when it was 8-0 SF. My response, "Only 8 runs. San Fran is really bad, you could have still won that game."
2008-04-21 10:07:41
222.   Jon Weisman
217 - Wow, I really had completely forgotten that.
2008-04-21 10:08:24
223.   underdog
217 From that thread last year:

16. underdog
8 I recommend following it with a screening of "The Sorrow and the Pity" as a chaser.

The Dodgers will score a run tomorrow. I won't guarantee a win or a lot of runs. But I will bet on a run.

I think. Don't quote me on that.

Their last three box scores look like failed binary code. <<


2008-04-21 10:08:46
224.   ToyCannon
There is a difference between sarcastic and morose.
2008-04-21 10:10:14
225.   LogikReader

Actually, it still worked out to more than one run a game. How about that?

Notes about the Reds, today:

1) Adam Dunn is off to a slow start, despite a very good OBP
2) Arroyo is 0-2 with a 5.48 ERA, 1.6 WHIP, and a lousy frozen hamburgers commercial. We don't face Arroyo, but I thought I should point that out.
3) "Mr Clutch" so far: .258/.378/.484 with 4 HR and 9 RBIs

2008-04-21 10:11:03
226.   JoeyP
215--Why is projecting an .800 OPS for James Loney seen as wildly pessimistic?
2008-04-21 10:12:45
227.   ToyCannon
We don't face Harang, Arroyo, or Cuerto. It didn't help us in Atlanta, will things be different in Ohio? At least we have Kuo in the lineup on Tuesday in case the offense needs a kickstart.

Was the trade of Harang by Billy the worse trade he's ever made?

2008-04-21 10:13:24
228.   D4P
Why is projecting an .800 OPS for James Loney seen as wildly pessimistic?

I think a .300/.350/.450 line for Loney is well within the range of "likely".

2008-04-21 10:15:46
229.   JoeyP
And his .299/.342/.442 current numbers arent very much off that.
2008-04-21 10:16:13
230.   regfairfield
226 Pessimistic might not be the right word, but he certainly can be better, and he won't be worse.
2008-04-21 10:17:44
231.   ToyCannon
Because it came from you. If TB Andrew had said it, it would be considered intelligent. If Jon had said it, it would be considered thoughtful. If BHshportsguy had said it, it would somehow be construed as a pat on the back for Ned. You're the pessimistic guy; hence a projection less then optimal for a 1st baseman is pessimistic.
2008-04-21 10:19:41
232.   overkill94
220 Hey Bluebleeder, which baseball league are you in? I finally joined the city of LA league and played in my first game yesterday. I know you had talked about your league before, just checking to see if I'll be facing you sometime soon :)
2008-04-21 10:20:16
233.   CanuckDodger
226 -- I didn't say anything about it being "wildly pessimistic." I was objecting to your methodology and your bias more than anything. And you still haven't answered me about Billingsley. You are not trotting out his negative stats because you like him.
2008-04-21 10:21:31
234.   natepurcell

Joeyp isn't the pessimistic guy, he is just the guy that has disliked Loney for a while and completely re-announced his prospect status a couple years ago.

2008-04-21 10:24:14
235.   JoeyP
Was the trade of Harang by Billy the worse trade he's ever made?

It's possible.
When Guillen was in Cincy, he had hit .337/.385/.629 over 315 ABs.
In Oakland, he hit .265/.311/.459 in 170Abs.

Steep price for Guillen, although if he was offered arbitration they did get a draft pick--not sure if he was.

2008-04-21 10:26:24
236.   bhsportsguy
231 To continue last night's theme, if Thomas Jefferson said it, John Adams would have him arrested under the Alien and Sedition Acts.
2008-04-21 10:28:08
237.   JoeyP
233--Because I think Billingsley is more likely to improve upon his 6.00 ERA, than Loney is upon improving his .299/.342/.442 line.
2008-04-21 10:29:20
238.   El Lay Dave
Gurnick on Nomar.

What I don't understand is why Nomar wasn't rehabbing for another week or so. If DeWitt was completely overwhelmed, I could at least understand rushing, but he isn't.

Torre acknowledged he's trying to give Garciaparra enough playing time to regain game fitness and show whether he should be the everyday third baseman, while not burdening an already struggling offense.

Garciaparra ... has had to make compromises in his swing because of the injury, reminding him of a similar cause-and-effect from a similar hand injury in 2000. "You can't hit without your hands," Garciaparra said. "You make alterations in the swing to adjust, but just a centimeter change can change everything. It took me more than a year to get it back that time."

2008-04-21 10:34:44
239.   underdog
It's not too late people. When is your pick in the Nomar Goes Back on the DL Pool? I believe I had May 13 or thereabouts.
2008-04-21 10:35:46
240.   CanuckDodger
237 -- Obviously, but that is just another way of saying you have a high opinion of Billingsley and not Loney. My problem is with your waiting till Loney's numbers fell enough for you feel good about drawing attention to them and generalizing about their implication for the Dodgers offense for 2008 as a whole. "Dirty pool," is what I'm saying.
2008-04-21 10:36:33
241.   overkill94
239 With the kid gloves they're putting on him, I'm going with May 21st
2008-04-21 10:40:32
242.   El Lay Dave
235 In the 2004 draft, the A's had compensation picks for Foulke and Tejada, but I see nothing for Guillen.

In the same draft, DeWitt was the compensation for Paul Quantrill.

2008-04-21 10:42:22
243.   Jon Weisman
238 - "What I don't understand is why Nomar wasn't rehabbing for another week or so. "

Chapter XXX on the Dodgers' letting player self-evaluations of health and value guide them.

2008-04-21 10:44:21
244.   Bob Timmermann
Mary McNamara of the LA Times has to blog in sackcloth and ashes for her George Washington goof.

2008-04-21 10:46:16
245.   wronghanded
I don't want people to think that I dislike Bills, I'm just a bit concerned that his command is subpar thus far. For the record, I think he has Clemens in his prime type potential. Other things that have disturbed me a bit this year:
1. Torre seems like a glorified version of Grady (commit to a lineup already)
2. Torre seems to think Ethier is our 3 hitter (huh?)
3. Kemp isn't getting consistent ABs (thanks Ned)
4. Andruw "let me pull my front side on every swing" Jones
5. Bills has had to throw to Bennett twice already this year (I think he's more comfortable with Martin).

Sorry for the rant, I'm just frustrated.

2008-04-21 10:46:18
246.   gibsonhobbs88
227 - I rather a couple of those pitch for the Reds instead of a couple unknowns. See Braves this weekend. We probably would have done better facing Hudson and Smoltz. In a weird way, maybe the hitters would have focused more knowing the caliber of pitchers of Hudson and Smoltz. So already this season, we have been swept in Arizona and Atlanta (not a great start on the road and hope we never have to play a road series in Athens, Greece or Annapolis, MD)
2008-04-21 10:52:24
247.   bhsportsguy
245 While the spots may change, the players have remained fairly consistent outside of Kemp and Pierre. And Matt just started 5 straight games.

Maybe part of the frusration across the board is the fact that the players that most here want to play, have played. And still there is inconsistent play. Now, this affliciton is shared across the board, vets and youngsters alike but this is not a case of where you have Jason Phillips playing instead of Choi.

This where patience has to win out and hope that all the minor league projections play out and that the vets can squeeze out another year of production.

2008-04-21 10:53:29
248.   Andrew Shimmin
Every year we do the same dance over sixty plate appearances and twenty innings pitched. I don't dance anymore, but I'd still like to get some fun out of it.

Still, sorry for the rule seven violation.

2008-04-21 10:53:57
249.   Jon Weisman
244 - Nice mea culpa. When your stuff only runs online, it's easier to make a mistake disappear.
2008-04-21 10:54:52
250.   bhsportsguy
248 Maybe the D-Backs should trade Upton while his value is high.
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2008-04-21 10:57:32
251.   KG16
245 - I like Ethier as the 3 hitter. Granted small sample sizes and all, but he's leading the team in RBIs (meaning he can actually get a hit with runners on base), his SLG is third on the team behind Furcal (who isn't going anywhere but lead off) and Kent (who should probably be the clean up hitter... and y'all don't know how difficult that is for me to admit).

As far as the line up changes, I don't have much of a problem with it. It's one of the few things the manager can do to tweak the offense, and when the offense isn't working, tweaking the line up makes sense.

As for your other points, I concur. Though I think Billingsly's problems will dissipate soon, assuming they keep him starting and on his normal rest.

2008-04-21 10:57:47
252.   Eric Stephen
The good news: Matt Belisle, tonight's starter for the Reds, has allowed one run or less in only 7 of his 37 career starts (19%).

Here are the numbers for the last three pitchers the Dodgers faced:

Jeff Bennett: 1 run in 1 of 3 career starts
Chuck James: 14 of 49 starts
Jair Jurrjens: 3 of 10 starts
Total: 18 of 60 (30%) prior to this weekend

2008-04-21 11:03:04
253.   Andrew Shimmin
250- I get jokes!
2008-04-21 11:03:59
254.   Eric Stephen
Ethier is only hitting .222/.280/.444 (4 for 18) with RISP, but he does have 4 sac flies.

I ask this not to be contentious, but because I don't know: Are sac flies luck? I know in certain situations, hitters try to hit fly balls to get the run home, but can hitters really control this?

2008-04-21 11:07:57
255.   Jon Weisman
254 - I suppose it never occured to you that in order to get a sacrifice fly, you first have to sacrifice a fly.

And now you know how Babe Ruth got the nickname, the Sultan of Swat.

(That joke might have had a chance if the sacrifice fly official scoring rules had been the same back then.)

2008-04-21 11:08:11
256.   wronghanded
254 To a certain extent, yes they can. ML hitters know their swings and know which pitches and zones they typically elevate balls. Many times they look for these pitches and zones early in a count to try to execute the sac fly.
2008-04-21 11:12:41
257.   KG16
254 - I'm not really sure how to classify sac flies. Typically, I lean more towards skill than luck on any particular outcome. I think, especially late in close games, guys are going to the plate thinking, "Just hit it in the air". And there is a certain amount of control a hitter has on whether it's going to be a flyball or groundball (upper cut swing vs chop, etc).

But given that a fly ball to the gap is a double a fly ball toward where the fielder is positioned is a sac fly, it's probably equal parts, because guys do want hits more than sac flies.

So, to answer your question: probably equal parts skill (hitting the ball in the air) and luck (where the defense is positioned, though you can argue (as I typically do) that this isn't so much luck as effective strategy of the other team).

2008-04-21 11:13:04
258.   bhsportsguy
Top Ten All-Time Sacrifice Fly Single Season Leader

Or Which Of These Names Do Not Belong

1. Gil Hodges 19 1954

2. Andre Dawson 18 1983

3. Bobby Bonilla 17 1996
Roy White 17 1971

5. Juan Gonzalez 16 2001
Mark Loretta 16 2004

7. Albert Belle 15 1998
Bobby Bonilla 15 1990
Gary Carter 15 1986
Howard Johnson 15 1991
Don Mattingly 15 1985
Magglio Ordonez 15 2000

2008-04-21 11:13:49
259.   Xeifrank
Volquez shouldn't be overlooked. He has pitched well this year (including spring training). He is similar to Guo in that he strikes out a lot of people but is known to have some control issues. It will be an interesting tuesday matchup. Hopefully, Guo doesn't have to play the role of stopper again. vr, Xei
2008-04-21 11:18:31
260.   ToyCannon
Mark Loretta can really handle the bat.

Did anyone here like Bobby Bonilla during his tenure as a Dodger?

5 of those 10 played in NY during the year they hits those sacrifice flies.

2008-04-21 11:19:30
261.   ToyCannon
At this point can we overlook anybody?
2008-04-21 11:20:05
262.   Bluebleeder87
232 hey overkill! Didnt I meet you at the DT gathering? Well yeah I play ball in the greater cerritos/Norwalk area so we probably won't face each other but you never know...We're actually moving up to the highest division that league has this coming season so the team is very excited about that, so did you hit any dingers did you make any good plays?
2008-04-21 11:21:16
263.   Jon Weisman
260 - I didn't hate him, but I was anxious to see Beltre.
2008-04-21 11:21:50
264.   bhsportsguy
261 No.
262 So, were you the ace yesterday or what?
2008-04-21 11:23:00
265.   underdog
I just sacrificed a fly at my desk. I don't see what the big deal is.
2008-04-21 11:23:03
266.   bhsportsguy
260 Didn't Bobby B. have body issues with the Dodgers too. I always like switch-hitting power hitters, I hope Josh Bell can have a career like him.
2008-04-21 11:23:58
267.   bhsportsguy
And apparently unless Bob and/or the history teacher are online, no one comments on Alien and Sedition Act reference.
2008-04-21 11:27:11
268.   bhsportsguy
260 Are you happy with DeJesus and Santana's starts so far. I think Bell is doing okay and Lambo is really hitting well for his first full season stop.

The Dodgers have to be happy with the starts of Miller, Morris, Adkins, Sexton, McDonald, Kershaw and Meloan. Just waiting for Withrow and Elbert to get going and then we have to wait and see if Miller will ever come around.

2008-04-21 11:27:27
269.   Jon Weisman
265 - No big deal. We just won't charge you with an attempted comment.
2008-04-21 11:27:54
270.   Daniel Zappala
Some combination of Jones, Kemp, Loney, and Martin will get hot over the next few weeks, the Dodgers will start winning, and then DT will become a happy place again.
2008-04-21 11:28:34
271.   Kevin Lewis

My ideal lineup would be:


2008-04-21 11:28:54
272.   KG16
267 - my only comment would have been it depended when Jefferson made the comment, when he and Adams were friends or when they weren't speaking to each other for decades.
2008-04-21 11:29:57
273.   natepurcell
Morris' walk rate is a bright spot but his K rate isn't where I want it.
2008-04-21 11:31:21
274.   Eric Stephen
I laughed, if it helps. Any mention of either the Alien & Sedition act or the Hawley-Smoot Tariff Act is bound to get a chuckle out of me.
2008-04-21 11:32:43
275.   El Lay Dave
268 I will pimp ToyCannon's Blue Sparks writeup for him:
2008-04-21 11:33:23
276.   wronghanded
262 Thats great that you guys play, I play on a great team in North County San Diego. In 24 ABs this year, I have put up a line of .421 .542 .474 in the top level wood bat league. We typically face guys throwing low to mid 80's sometimes with a decent offspeed pitch. It's fun and my team is currently 7-0 with 66 runs scored to our opponents 17. How is your team doing this year?
2008-04-21 11:33:39
277.   Bob Timmermann
I knew I had written something on the history of the sacrifice fly rule.

It's here:

It's a stunning piece of prose.

2008-04-21 11:34:26
278.   wronghanded
271 That is my ideal lineup as well
2008-04-21 11:35:16
279.   bhsportsguy
277 That is why I did not even bother to look it up.
2008-04-21 11:36:31
280.   Bob Timmermann
Jefferson could only have been arrested under the Sedition Act. The Alien Act didn't apply. They were separate measures.

The Sedition Act served to chill free speech by making it a crime to criticize the President or Congress. The Alien Act lengthened the naturalization period for new citizens because it was them new people coming from France and Ireland and Germany who were stirring up the trouble.

2008-04-21 11:37:12
281.   Bob Timmermann
Because of the way I set it up though, it was hard to find in the archives.
2008-04-21 11:41:18
282.   Bluebleeder87
264 4 scattered hits & 12 K's
but I'm reken this post is one of those damed if you do & damed if you don't posts... So please scratch it from your mind if you wish. :o)
2008-04-21 11:42:24
283.   Eric Stephen
Newly minted league minimum free agent DH Frank Thomas had crept up the career SF leaderboard since your post (speaking of one of these things is not like the other):

Eddie Murray 128
Cal Ripken 127
Robin Yount 123
Hank Aaron 121
George Brett 120
Ruben Sierra 120
Frank Thomas 120

Perhaps some team will give the Big Hurt the chance to chase the record and boost their ticket sales along the way!

2008-04-21 11:42:28
284.   Daniel Zappala
280 We have a long and interesting history of passing acts to restrict immigration.
2008-04-21 11:42:29
285.   Bob Timmermann
But did you get credit for a quality start?
2008-04-21 11:42:59
286.   overkill94
262 Ah, looks like we're in a totally separate league then.

I haven't played regularly in 9 years and the last time I actually pitched in a game was 5 years ago in a weekend tournament, but I told our coach I could probably go a couple innings. Unfortunately, our main pitcher couldn't find the strike zone so they put me in with 2 outs in the 2nd inning. I was still only planning on throwing a couple innings, but my arm felt well enough that I went 5 1/3. Understandably, my control was a bit erratic (5 walks and 2 HBP), but other than that I think I only gave up 3 hits. I ended up giving up 6 runs total, but only 2 were earned due to some problems catching fly balls. It was a lot of fun to get back on the mound and my fastball had some decent zip to it (probably 70-75 MPH or so), but my slider was inconsistent and I couldn't really place my fastball very well. I'm hoping by mid-season I'll get my velocity up a little higher and be able to mix in my other pitches better. I joined the AA league this year just so that I could work through the kinks.

2008-04-21 11:43:01
287.   underdog
Wow. Off subject, but can I just say that tomorrow is quite an impressive DVD releasing day, one of the better days in awhile.
The Savages, Cloverfield, Charlie Wilson's War, The Orphanage, two Criterion releases, Starting Out in the Evening, a couple of screwball comedies, and some good foreign stuff. Peachy.

269 Tee-hee. I wonder if this post counts as the equivalent of an out?

2008-04-21 11:44:00
288.   bhsportsguy
280 Yes, I actually knew that.

What I learned from TV is that John Adams may have been a fine lawyer, first-rate patriot, fair ambassador, frustratred VP, absent father and loving husband. Not sure if I can rate his presidency, it seems he did what he could given the political climate.

2008-04-21 11:44:16
289.   underdog
This just up on

>>Former Dodgers GM Fred Claire has agreed to answer some questions from MLBTR readers. I'll choose the best ones from the comments. Fred was the team's GM for about a decade, and also served in other capacities in the front office before that.<<

2008-04-21 11:45:19
290.   bhsportsguy
284 Executive orders too.
2008-04-21 11:49:39
291.   bhsportsguy
290 To be clear, I am not talking about anything current, just historical.

Back to baseball, Hank Steinbrenner believes Joba should be starting. Brian Cashman says slow down.

Who will win this battle and if Cashman wins, is he going to be without a job in October.

2008-04-21 11:50:07
292.   CanuckDodger
268 -- Justin Miller, with his ability to throw a sinker vary hard, could be another Fausto Carmona, if everything works out for him. As a sinkerballer, his K rate is probably never going to be great in the minors, which is the reason why Fausto Carmona didn't strikeout many, which left many people underestimating Carmona.
2008-04-21 11:50:11
293.   Bob Timmermann
The series left out the part where Adams just packed up and left the capital (then Philadelphia) for about six months when the potential war with France was brewing. He just didn't want to go back and deal with it. And he was happier at home in Massachusetts.

Hardly anybody heard from him during that time. Congress wasn't in session, so he didn't have to worry about any strange laws being passed. And it wasn't like CNN and MSNBC and Fox News parked their satellite trucks outside his farm in Braintree waiting for Adams to make a statement.

2008-04-21 11:55:30
294.   CodyS
"I don't know if a longer rehab would have helped," Garciaparra said. "This is going to take some time. It's not going to be natural. I have been off for so long, and I really didn't have a spring training. It's just a matter of getting back into a baseball swing of things and getting my timing, both offensively and defensively."

So Nomar is saying he's going to bat .100 and field .700 for the next month or two, but that he should play "every single day."

Presumably, in his mind, after a month of that, he returns to hitting .370 like he used to - so even if the Dodgers go 5-20 in the next few weeks, he'll make it up to us.

2008-04-21 11:57:02
295.   Jon Weisman
293 - Adams' announcement of his election to the presidency didn't seem to get a lot of live global coverage, either.
2008-04-21 11:57:18
296.   blue22
291 - Steinbrenner even says only an "idiot" would keep Joba out of the rotation.
2008-04-21 11:59:47
297.   Bob Timmermann
Adams announced his candidacy on a late night talk show, but since radio and TV had not been invited, the only people watching were his wife and kids.

bhsportsguy left out earlier that there was another screen portrayal of Abigail Adams. Virginia Vestoff portrayed Abigail Adams in the film version of "1776." And it was a substantial role.

2008-04-21 12:01:06
298.   KG16
294 - um, call be crazy but if "it's just a matter of getting back into a baseball swing of things and getting [his' timing" then I would think that a longer rehab would have helped.

Call me crazy, but I really do think that.

2008-04-21 12:02:25
299.   ToyCannon
This has always been hard for me to understand. You do your rehab stint until your ready to help in a meaningful way. We can barely tolerate a 100% Nomar, why would we want a sub 100% Nomar?

I'm still worried that we will have the same problem with LaRoche. It is doubtful he can come back from that injury ready to roll once his rehab stint is complete.

2008-04-21 12:02:41
300.   Eric Stephen
You're crazy.
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2008-04-21 12:07:20
301.   bhsportsguy
299 Should LaRoche then rehab for the 2-3 weeks he can per the CBA, then be optioned for another month or so to be sure.
2008-04-21 12:13:02
302.   El Lay Dave
298 I was crazy to think similar things back at 238 !

299 I have the same worry.

301 Depends on how the rehab goes. I would prefer that LaRoche not rush to get to rehab, but be more healed to start it, making the 20 days, or whatever the max is, of rehab the most useful it can be.

2008-04-21 12:35:34
303.   still bevens
296 I think Steinbrenner is ratcheting up the rhetoric because Hughes and Kennedy have been (predictably) ineffective this year. Thats what you get when you rely on <25 year olds to fill out half of your rotation. Cant bank on winning 90 games that way.
2008-04-21 12:36:42
304.   natepurcell

Carmona can run his sinker up to 96mph, its like Kevin Brown nasty. I don't think Miller has that type of velocity... yet.

2008-04-21 12:39:39
305.   Neal Pollack
Nomar's "return" has been one of baseball's most pathetic spectacles this season.
2008-04-21 12:45:52
306.   CanuckDodger
304 -- When Carmona was Miler's age, BA described his velocity as 90-95 MPH. The latest on Miller says 89-94 MPH. That's close enough.
2008-04-21 12:49:12
307.   LogikReader
[294 through 306]

Bring back the Solution!!!

2008-04-21 12:51:47
308.   CanuckDodger
Nate, what are your latest thoughts on the up-coming draft? Now that Isaac Galloway is looking like a sandwich-round guy, I am pegging my hopes on Aaron Hicks (and that we take him as a CF, of course.) Jarret Martin no longer looks viable as early as #15, but Ethan Martin might draw interest from the Dodgers there, now that he is looking certain to be taken as a pitcher. We stocked up on so many arms in the last draft, I would really prefer we do more with position players this draft.
2008-04-21 12:51:52
309.   Eric Stephen
The vocal minority just got bigger. From Rob Neyer on Friday:

"If you're going to spend 13 extra innings with a couple of guys, you can do a lot worse than Vasgersian and Mark "Mudcat" Grant."

2008-04-21 12:54:41
310.   underdog
308 "I would really prefer we do more with position players this draft."

I'm with you on that one, Canuck. It's hard to argue with Logan White's results regarding pitchers in recent drafts, but we now seem so much more well-stocked there over position players, it's time to focus more on that. More outfield depth would be nice, and more middle infield depth, imho.

2008-04-21 12:55:20
311.   LogikReader

No love for the Rockies Broadcasters?

2008-04-21 12:56:10
312.   LogikReader
I forget. Is Rob Neyer the guy that cuts people off during online chats on ESPN?
2008-04-21 12:59:56
313.   Eric Stephen
I just saw that today's game in Cincy will be on KCAL, which means the broadcast I have scheduled to record will be accompanied by the sounds of Thom Brennaman and Jeff Brantley. Ugh.
2008-04-21 13:00:51
314.   bhsportsguy
309 9 out of 12 First and Supplemental round picks that White has made have been pitchers, Miller, Billingsley, Elbert, Orenduff, Hochevar (unsigned), Kershaw, Morris, Withrow and Adkins. That is impressive list of pitchers that he has signed. Now, Loney and Dewitt have both made the big leagues, only Mattingley appears to still be more project than prospect right now.

I just think White feels more secure with pitchers and he certainly is one not to pick players projected to be drafted at certain spots.

2008-04-21 13:00:54
315.   Eric Stephen
Keith Law is the more curt one. For instance, his answer to your question would have been "No."
2008-04-21 13:02:19
316.   Eric Stephen
Not a big George Frazier fan. The only thing I like about him was his performance in the 1981 World Series.
2008-04-21 13:02:28
317.   underdog
313 I will be sharing your pain. I was going to try to simultaneously have the Dodgers' radio broadcast up via, but the timing never matches up right so I think I'm stuck, too. Maybe I'll just watch it on mute with some music on or something.
2008-04-21 13:04:04
318.   El Lay Dave
309 On behalf of old friend Jim Grant, I object to the idea that "Mudcat" is a recyclable nickname.
2008-04-21 13:04:13
319.   Eric Stephen
If you have DVR or TiVo you can delay the TV broadcast to match the audio. That may work, although I've never tried it.

Alas, I will be on delay so I can't do that today.

2008-04-21 13:05:58
320.   underdog
Nope, I'm using MLBTV online so there's no hope.
2008-04-21 13:06:11
321.   Eric Stephen
Yeah, I'm not big on reusing "Mudcat", especially for Mark Grant. Of course, I also think Lawrence Taylor has exclusive rights to "LT", so Tomlinson needs to come up with something better.
2008-04-21 13:06:34
322.   Gen3Blue
re 294 Thats disturbing. He seems to think he should naturally play at a low level over Dewitt and Hu, who will thrive on the experience eventually.
2008-04-21 13:08:34
323.   Bob Timmermann
I've heard good things about that.
2008-04-21 13:12:31
324.   underdog
323 Myself, I maintain that it's a horribly flawed product.
2008-04-21 13:13:04
325.   Eric Enders
I'm not really a Matt Vasgersian fan, by the way. If I've given that impresison, it's only because I made the observation in one thread that he's not the worst announcer I've ever heard. He's not the best either. ... alternately annoying and tolerable.

Did anybody watch Orel Hershiser play in that poker tournament yesterday? Vasgersian did the play by play for that, too. He's everywhere! (By the way, Orel defeated his heads-up opponent and moved on to the round of 32. It runs Sunday mornings on NBC. The whole thing is long since over, but I've chosen to avoid the spoilers.)

2008-04-21 13:14:51
326.   natepurcell

I want Aaron Hicks too!

Ideally, for some unforeseen reason, Tim Beckham would fall to us and become a dodger but that isn't happening.

Prep position players does not seem to be the strong suit for the first round in this draft so there is a good chance BPA is going to be a pitcher.


Justin Miller article.

2008-04-21 13:15:41
327.   Eric Enders
323 My favorite claim of's is that they offer "dynamic resizing." Of course, their definition of "dynamic" means a choice between two options:
1) The tiny size which appears automatically when the window opens, or
2) A "full screen" option which usually fills only about 55-60% of the screen.
2008-04-21 13:17:28
328.   Eric Enders
318 , 321 Put me on that bandwagon, too. Using "Mudcat" for a brain-dead mediocrity like Grant is pretty close to heresy.
2008-04-21 13:25:35
329.   silverwidow
Tony Jackson is lobbying for Juan Castro (!). Has it REALLY come to this?
2008-04-21 13:26:54
330.   D4P
Castro is a GREAT guy in the clubhouse.
2008-04-21 13:31:06
331.   Eric Enders
I'm not sure what's more delusional, that Tony Jackson thinks the Dodgers need Juan Castro, or that he seems to genuinely believe that 15 other teams might be interested in Castro.
2008-04-21 13:35:40
332.   Bob Hendley
328 - Another vote against. You should have to be born in Lacoochee, FLA to earn a nickname like that.
2008-04-21 13:36:43
333.   Jacob L
319 That sounds like trying to watch the Wizard of Oz with the Dark Side of the Moon. You drop the record needle on the MGM lion's third roar.

As an aside, I finally got to experience "The Dark Side of the Rainbow" due to the wonders of youtube, but being sober, I gave it a rating of "not that amazing."

2008-04-21 13:43:49
334.   Bluebleeder87
286 good luck this season. You look very young OK94 if your gonna pitch I recommend you run allot & do arm excersices (sp?) push-ups etc. So you can MAINTAIN that good arm of yours don't make the same mistake I did when I was in my mid-20, I'm very lucky I didnt blow out my arm (like some of my buddies did) just exercise plenty & you'll FEEL the difference, again good luck this season & I hope you guys win your division
2008-04-21 13:48:02
335.   Jon Weisman
2008-04-21 13:51:23
336.   Daniel Zappala
Sometimes you guys can be a little too harsh. Jackson also Wrote:

1) "He would NOT be a cure for what ails this offense"

2) ..."he would allow the Dodgers to ship Chin-lung Hu back to the minors where he could get regular playing time instead of having him waste away in the majors the way he is now."

3) ..."this is all pure speculation on my part ... Even if the Dodgers are interested, there might be 15 other teams interested as well"

2008-04-21 15:31:09
337.   skybluestoday
RE: 333

I never quite got that "Dark Side of the Rainbow" thing -- it seemed awfully arbitrary. Back in film school I used to put on the gunfight-in-the-snowstorm climax from "McCabe & Mrs. Miller" backed with Pink Floyd's "Echoes."

That seemed to work just as well -- maybe even better, with better source material on both fronts.

Editing is like that.

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