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Remembering Lyman Bostock
2008-04-21 23:02
by Jon Weisman

The tragic end of Lyman Bostock's life is recalled by Jerry Crowe in the Times. For those of us who lived through it, it's an oft-recalled story, but if you don't know it, you must.

I can still remember my sister, who was going through her biggest love-of-baseball phase at the time and actually competed with me for the sports section, waking me in my bedroom one morning - it had to be a weekend - with the news that Bostock had been killed.

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2008-04-21 23:15:38
1.   Bob Timmermann
LA Times, 9/23/1988 by Mike Penner:

" If only, [Buzzie] Bavasi suggests, Bostock would have spent the night of Sept. 23, 1978, in the Water Tower Hyatt, with the rest of his Angel teammates.

"Bostock didn't stay at the hotel when he was in Chicago," Bavasi said. "He stayed at his relatives' home. That's normally a violation of club rules, but he received permission from the manager and the traveling secretary to stay with his cousins.

"If he hadn't, he would've stayed in the hotel and none of this would've happened."

And 10 years later?

"He'd have still been playing for the Angels today."

2008-04-21 23:50:58
2.   PDH5204
A morality on his part sadly lacking in our culture and society, and a manner of death all too familiar. And to borrow a line from the Talking Heads, same as it ever was...
2008-04-22 00:36:05
3.   Eric Enders
I think his gesture was certainly noble, but I don't see what morality had to do with it. It's not immoral to sign a contract for something, do it to the best of your ability, and get paid the agreed-upon amount.

Bostock ended up hitting .290-something, so he definitely earned his entire season's salary. And, as Bavasi pointed out, it's not like the team would have doubled his salary if he'd hit .500 the following month.

2008-04-22 01:05:25
4.   bhsportsguy
3 He hit over .400 in June.
2008-04-22 01:37:27
5.   bhsportsguy
BTW - In today's LA Times article, Joe says the lineup will be the same.

Also, LaRoche went 2-6 in extended ST, he will play 3B today and possibly start his rehab tomorrow.

Game story tells how a picture of a gnome gave the hitters luck.

2008-04-22 01:39:42
6.   bhsportsguy
Also saw this, UCLA Asst. Coach Walker will be honored by going into his high school hall of fame on Wednesday at Pasadena Muir High School.
2008-04-22 02:49:14
7.   Eric Enders
5 You've gotta love Russell pulling out the Flavor Flav reference in that article too.
2008-04-22 03:09:50
8.   al bundy
The Lyman article was the second emotionally touching article in 2 days in the LAT sports section. The day before it was about the SC football coach.

I can remember as a kid reading the Times sports section reporting Bostock's death and not wholly understanding that he wouldn't be back.

Bostock's presence on the Angels was enough to make this Dodgers fan into an Angels fan, too. I can remember swinging the bat and wanting to be Lyman Bostock. After his death I never did become much of an Angels fan.

2008-04-22 05:14:56
9.   D4P
The Dodgers lead the majors in OPS with the bases empty, at .311/.387/.512/.899.

The Dodgers are last in the majors in OPS with runners on, at .224/.290/.310/.600.

I guess that Furcal probably has a lot to do with this...

2008-04-22 05:47:18
10.   Marty
Charles Durning is going to receive France's highest military honor. I had no idea he was such a war hero.
2008-04-22 07:11:38
12.   Jon Weisman
10 - You didn't watch the SAG awards!

11 - The fact that I really disagree with you on your answer makes me feel that that's probably not a good question for this site.

2008-04-22 07:14:35
13.   Penarol1916
11. I had a very interest post that addressed your question without taking sides, but it just seemed too close to violating rule 5 for my comfort.
2008-04-22 07:21:30
14.   D4P
I won't feel bad if you delete my post, but I'd be really curious to know why you disagree with my answer...
2008-04-22 07:30:44
15.   madmac
11 my first reaction is A.
2008-04-22 07:32:18
16.   madmac
I'm really shocked that I had no idea who Lyman Bostock was. Thanks Jon for bringing that article to light for me.
2008-04-22 07:32:58
17.   D4P
Popular wisdom would appear to say that "America is ready for a change." But it seems to me that popular wisdom said the same thing in 2004...
2008-04-22 07:39:28
18.   madmac
17 I guess it just depends on the extent of change. My impression is that many people don't know exactly what they want, they just don't want what is in there now. Either way there will be change.
2008-04-22 07:42:19
19.   Daniel Zappala
16 I never knew about Lyman Bostock either. I was completely wrapped up in the Dodgers at that point, and I don't think I read the papers much.
2008-04-22 07:47:36
20.   madmac
19 I'm suprised we don't hear more about him.
2008-04-22 07:52:00
21.   Ken Noe
I liked Bostock with the Twins, and I remember the story pretty well. Durning I saw a few years ago in a documentary; he said that the war experience had scarred him emotionally for decades. Both sad stories.
2008-04-22 08:00:50
22.   cargill06
can we say yet that penny's 9 hrs last year was not luck? that he's learned to keep the ball down, and relies on a splitter and two seemer for that? so far 0 hr's in 30.1 IP
2008-04-22 08:11:31
23.   Bluebleeder87
22 ESPN was drooling over the pitch sequence against poor Freel (the last pitch was a splitter)
2008-04-22 08:31:22
24.   ToyCannon
I was a huge Bostock fan as a Twin and was estatic that he became an Angel. You really felt for him during his slump because he took it so personally at a time when you wondered if the players really cared anymore. The news of his death was one of those moments for me where you just stare at the TV in disbelief. It ranks up there for me with learning about Magic's HIV, Big D's death in Montreal, and Junior Gilliams early demise.

I usually let bad news roll off me like rain on a parka since the world is full of it but sometimes the news sticks to you and you can't shake it for a few days even though you have zero personal connection. This one bothered me for a long time.

For a very brief time he was my favorite ballplayer.

2008-04-22 08:31:48
25.   Eric Stephen
I never knew Dick Enberg was assistant baseball coach at CSUN. Oh my!
2008-04-22 08:35:33
26.   Eric Stephen
Big D's death in Montreal

I remember I was at my brother's house in Corona watching the Dodger game, and Vin said something to the effect that this was the worst news he'd ever have to give. Next thing I knew Drysdale's picture, almost like a ghost, was on the screen, superimposed over the field. It was chilling for sure.

They waited to announce it until Ann Meyers could be reached. You could really feel the pain in Vin's voice that day. It was just so sad.

2008-04-22 08:36:33
27.   regfairfield
22 No, home runs per outfield fly ball is a pretty luck based stat. The only way you can make sure the ball stays in the park is by not giving up fly balls, and Penny isn't great at that.
2008-04-22 08:37:14
28.   okdodge
Haven't been on DT's in a couple days so sorry if this has already been posted.

And no, it's not the baseball boogie video from the 80's. Sorry, I don't know how to do tiny url's, so if anybody wants to throw out a helper it would be appreciated.

2008-04-22 08:37:40
29.   okdodge
I forgot to say, scroll to the bottom and read the high 5.
2008-04-22 08:41:09
30.   madmac
I would expect espn to mention Bostock everytime a big contract is signed and the athlete struggles to start off, but we don't. Why?
2008-04-22 08:47:44
31.   Eric Stephen
I would guess that since it didn't happen in the last 20 years, ESPN doesn't recognize it. :)
2008-04-22 08:48:31
32.   okdodge
26 Here's Vin's exact quote.

"" Never have I been asked to make an announcement that hurts me as much as this one. And I say it to you as best I can with a broken heart."

2008-04-22 08:57:58
33.   madmac
31 I know you are poking fun, but there is prob some truth to that.

Thing is everyone knows the name Clemente. Sure Bostock maybe wasn't quite on that level, but would seem a hero to many.

2008-04-22 08:58:21
34.   Eric Stephen
Thanks for that. Where did you find that?
2008-04-22 09:01:15
35.   okdodge
Wikipedia, so who knows if it's 100% accurate. I searched under Don Drysdale, it was in the section discussing his death.
2008-04-22 09:14:11
36.   LeeLacy
I never once saw Lyman Bostock play baseball. But yet I remember being quite distraught when my dad, after reading the sports page that day, informed me Bostock had been shot and killed. Though I'd never seen him in action, I felt like I had because I'd studied his baseball cards so many times.

I had two Bostock cards: a 1977 Hostess card (one that I'd cut out of the bottom panel of a Twinkies box) and a 1978 Topps card. I used to be quite fastidious about how I'd organize my card collection. I'd divide them into teams, study the cards at length, and then order them according to which players I liked the best. I remember being impressed by how good Bostock's stats were. Plus, his Hostess card looked really cool. So Bostock's '77 Hostess card was given pride of place on top of my Twins stack, while his '78 Topps card enjoyed similar status at the front of my set of Angels.

Upon learning of Bostock's death, I remember feeling it was so unfair that such a good player could be cut down in such a senseless, brutal manner. After reading the story in this morning's Times, that feeling came to the fore once again.

2008-04-22 09:17:15
37.   Jon Weisman
Three unrelated pieces of news:

1) 30 Rock and Scrubs are switching time slots, or as Variety calls them, timeslots.

2) Milo Ventimiglia and Alyssa Milano play an engaged couple in "Pathology," which Variety says "goes well beyond the level of gore most auds can take."

3) Danica McKellar will be at the L.A. Times Festival of Books on Sunday.

2008-04-22 09:18:49
38.   ToyCannon
Did you ever see Lee Lacy play?
2008-04-22 09:21:44
39.   tjdub
I'm not ashamed to admit shedding a few tears the day Drysdale passed. And I'm too young to have seen him pitch. I'm going to have to miss work when Tommy or Vin goes.
2008-04-22 09:26:25
40.   Andrew Shimmin
McKellar is not listed on the BookTV schedule, but maybe they'll do one of their two minute interviews with her, in between scheduled panels.
2008-04-22 09:28:48
41.   MC Safety
I thought pleading insanity was a relatively new defense.

I hope bad things happened to that guy during the time he was in jail.

2008-04-22 09:30:05
42.   LogikReader

30 Rock and Scrubs are switching time slots, or as Variety calls them, timeslots.

Really? Man what a bummer; now I have to wait until 10pm to finish watching the Office + Rock block.

2008-04-22 09:42:59
43.   Jacob L
Jacob's new Thursday night line-up.

8:30 - Do the dishes, take out garbage, etc.
9 - Office
9:30 - 30 Rock

2008-04-22 09:50:05
44.   LeeLacy
38 I did. I became a huge fan of Lee Lacy's while watching the Dodgers play the Pirates on NBC one Saturday back in 1978; I was eight at the time. Lacy hit a pinch-hit HR in the 9th to cut the Pirates' lead to 1 run. Though the Dodgers ultimately lost 3-2, that home run made a big impression on me, and I became a dedicated Lee Lacy booster thereafter.

As a kid, whenever I'd wear a Dodger hat or shirt (which was often), I'd frequently have people say to me, "I bet your favorite player is Steve Garvey, right?" A semi-befuddled look would come across their faces when I'd respond, "No. It's Lee Lacy."

By the way, I don't have any memory of ever seeing the Toy Cannon play for the Dodgers. Thanks goodness for his '74 TRADED and '75 All-Star cards. For me, those are what associates Jimmy Wynn with the Dodgers.

2008-04-22 09:53:43
45.   Dane Bramage
C'mon, everybody! Let's all do our part to keep this hitting binge going.

I've printed one out in color and pinned it onto the tackboard at my desk. Now let the mojo do its thing, baby...

2008-04-22 09:55:47
46.   D4P
I'm with Brad. Penny, that is.
2008-04-22 09:55:52
47.   Eric Stephen
Here's the 1975 card:

2008-04-22 09:57:22
48.   Eric Stephen
Gnomes are cool if they have an accent like the Travelocity gnome.
2008-04-22 09:57:38
49.   madmac
wha...Schmidt showing signs of making a return?
2008-04-22 09:58:11
50.   Bob Timmermann
Defendants pleaded insanity far more in the past. The murderer of Stanford White, Harry Thaw (??? I'm not exactly sure right now. If you've seen the film version of Ragtime think Norman Mailer for the victim and Robert Joy as the murderer) pleaded temporary insanity and he served a few years in a hospital and was then released.

The cases of Leonard Smith, Dan White, and John Hinckley made insanity pleas politically unpopular and the standards were changed.

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2008-04-22 10:00:27
51.   MC Safety
49 Don't get too excited:

"I'm not looking into setting timetables or setting myself up for failure," Schmidt said.

2008-04-22 10:01:19
52.   LogikReader
Is there something wrong with the "hide comments" feature of the toaster? I don't remember there being a lack of "hide comments 1-50" before.
2008-04-22 10:01:32
53.   LogikReader
hah!!! Just as I write that, it comes back
2008-04-22 10:03:10
54.   LogikReader
For Schmidt, it's better to look at it the same way I look at Andrew Bynum: assume he won't be return at all and if he does, it's icing on the cake.

It's a good strategy that both teams are taking to heart. For the Lakers, even without Bynum they have a decent shot to get to the finals. However, as I've said all year, my favorite to win it is the Spurs.

2008-04-22 10:04:56
55.   D4P
You can only hide the comments when the number of comments exceeds something around 51 or so.
2008-04-22 10:05:30
56.   Bob Timmermann
When a comment gets deleted, the count gets thrown off.
2008-04-22 10:06:07
57.   Kevin Lewis
For the parents out there:

Did you mildly stress about choosing a name for your kid? It is three weeks away, and now I am over analyzing everything.

2008-04-22 10:07:56
58.   D4P
Word of the day: omerta

"If Tejada cooperates with federal prosecutors and offers them something they don't already have, he might be able to settle with them and continue a great baseball career. It would be a difficult thing to do and would violate baseball's code of clubhouse omerta."

2008-04-22 10:09:31
59.   Jon Weisman
57 - For our daughter, we managed to find agreement fairly quickly. For the boys, we struggled. My latest didn't get finalized until the morning he was born.
2008-04-22 10:11:03
60.   El Lay Dave
28 You can follow the instructions at
2008-04-22 10:12:11
61.   Kevin Lewis

Thanks, Jon. That is helpful for me to relax. This might be one of those, "wait and see" moments for naming him. Our OB told us he has puffy cheeks right now. He gets that from his Aunt

2008-04-22 10:12:38
62.   LeeLacy
And here is the '74 TRADED card ...

I remember both Wynn and Tommie Agee had TRADED cards that year.

2008-04-22 10:13:09
63.   Kevin Lewis

funny that you mentioned the daughter name. If it was a girl, I have a name I would use with no hesitation. I wonder if this is a guy thing

2008-04-22 10:14:42
64.   bhsportsguy
61 My friend calls me up the morning he's picking up his wife and new born son and tells me that he's changed his mind and he wants to change his son's name.

He later calls me that by the time he got to the hospital, they had filled out the birth certificate and it was too late.

2008-04-22 10:15:43
65.   Jon Weisman
63 - I think boys names are a lot harder.
2008-04-22 10:16:46
66.   Marty
63 Just go with Pat. Can't lose.
2008-04-22 10:18:17
67.   Kevin Lewis
64 66


2008-04-22 10:20:11
68.   bhsportsguy
63 According Social Security Administration, these are the most popular boy's name in 2006.

1 Jacob
2 Michael
3 Joshua
4 Ethan
5 Matthew
6 Daniel
7 Christopher
8 Andrew
9 Anthony
10 William

2008-04-22 10:20:57
69.   El Lay Dave
The AP wire story of yesterday's game has some doozies. The headline:

Nomar Garciaparra homers to help Dodgers beat Reds 9-3

His HR accounted for the last two runs LA scored.

The lede:

All the slumping Los Angeles Dodgers needed was a familiar face in a familiar place.

Nomar Garciaparra celebrated his return to the third spot in the batting order with his first home run since Sept. 14 and three runs batted in, helping Brad Penny stayed (sic) perfect at Great American Ball Park in the Dodgers' 9-3 win over the Cincinnati Reds on Monday night.

Torre quote:
"Hitting in front of (Jeff) Kent, you knew he was going to get some pitches to hit and know what to do with them," Torre said. "It takes experience. A lot of guys don't think of that when they're younger."
Hmmm, what about the year from mid-06 to mid-07? BTW, Ethier, Loney and Kemp have all the other starts at #3.

2008-04-22 10:22:46
70.   bhsportsguy
64 I believe he used his replacement name for his daughter (he liked names that can be used for both boys and girls).
2008-04-22 10:23:03
71.   D4P
"Hitting in front of (Jeff) Kent, you knew he was going to get some pitches to hit and know what to do with them," Torre said. "It takes experience. A lot of guys don't think of that when they're younger."

A lot of guys don't think of what when they're younger...?

2008-04-22 10:23:26
72.   Bob Timmermann
Just because a birth certificate has been made out doesn't mean you can't change the name. You can check with the County Registrar. Or you can just call the child by whatever name you want.

Officially, my father's first name was Henry, but NOBODY outside of the Social Security Administration called him that. He went by Vernon, his middle name, or Tim (obvious nickname).

2008-04-22 10:24:49
73.   El Lay Dave
65 We had a top-3 list of boys names we agreed on immediately, but had to compromise to get to even one name for a girl.

We have exactly one daughter and no sons.

2008-04-22 10:25:47
74.   bhsportsguy
72 True but I think he felt that the fates had made it so.

72 Did anyone ever call you Bobby?

2008-04-22 10:27:44
75.   El Lay Dave
71 They don't think to wait for the good fastballs they're going to see with Jeff Kent hitting behind them?
2008-04-22 10:28:14
76.   D4P
Did anyone ever call you Bobby?

Rule 8 violation! I've asked that question before. The answer was a resounding "No".

2008-04-22 10:28:48
77.   D4P
They don't think to wait for the good fastballs they're going to see with Jeff Kent hitting behind them?

Yeah, so they just swing at the, um, good fastballs...?

I'm confused!

2008-04-22 10:29:45
78.   Lexinthedena
68 Those names come about for the same resons buildings are painted beige.

Naming our Daughter was easy. She was named months before she was born. If we are to ever have a boy, the process will be a little more difficult, as I am set on naming him after Simon Bolivar's most trusted General, and no one else seems to be with me.

2008-04-22 10:31:52
79.   Kevin Lewis
Do I start Weaver against Beckett today?
2008-04-22 10:35:57
80.   Bob Timmermann
My parents had the name Mary locked and loaded for their first daughter. Not only were they devout Catholics, but my aunt is named Mary.

After giving birth to four sons, my parents gave up on the idea of having a child named Mary. My mom did win a huge stuffed animal at some event and she put it in the garage to be given to her first granddaughter.

I believe one of my niece's did get the toy, but my mom was not around to see it.

2008-04-22 10:38:38
81.   Marty
I have no idea where my name came from. There doesn't appear to be another Martin on either side of my family. And I guarantee there were no religious influences.
2008-04-22 10:39:28
82.   D4P
Had my wife been a boy, she would have been named "Barnabus." Her actual (female) name is nowhere near that unusual.
2008-04-22 10:40:32
83.   D4P
Had my wife been a boy

And she wouldn't have been my wife.

2008-04-22 10:41:14
84.   Bob Timmermann
The last person who called me Bobby to my face ... I really shouldn't say more. Let's just say that the Pine Barrens of New Jersey were involved.
2008-04-22 10:41:46
85.   Penarol1916
78. There has always been less fluctuation with boys names than with girls, thus there are just fewer names that are acceptable. Maybe it's because parents think that boys are crueler to other boys who have wierd names. Of course, noone told my sister Angelique, who went by Ange-geek and Ange-has-to-take-a-leak.
2008-04-22 10:45:24
86.   Jon Weisman
You know, I have some tidbits to post, but I'm just too tired right now. So in the meantime, a question.

I was trying to think of everyone's hobbies last night. Like Marty with barbecue, etc. Let's make a list - what's your favorite non-sports-related activity?

I'm not sure snark is a hobby, by the way.

2008-04-22 10:46:02
87.   Bob Timmermann
Penarol, a librarian on my staff turned down a trip to Montevideo in July because she said it would be too cold. Can it be that cold there in the winter?
2008-04-22 10:46:21
88.   Bob Timmermann
Penarol, a librarian on my staff turned down a trip to Montevideo in July because she said it would be too cold. Can it be that cold there in the winter?
2008-04-22 10:46:44
89.   LeeLacy
My wife is expecting a boy this summer. Thus, the subject of boy names has been on the front burner of late. When I was a youngster, I always envisioned naming my future sons after my sports heroes. So far, my wife has been resistant to Kareem Abdul-Petersen.
2008-04-22 10:47:50
90.   Bob Timmermann
OK, the Opera browser on the BlackBerry is just mostly perfect.
2008-04-22 10:48:18
91.   LAT
For our first daughter, we each wrote 10 names on a piece of paper and took turns crossing out a name. What was left was something we could both live with. However, once our daughter was born we decided the name didn't fit and agreed to change it. She was just too big and loud for the name we had selected. (Not much has changed since that first day). But the truth is whatever the name, they grow into it. It just fits because that's what you call them and everyone gets used to it.
2008-04-22 10:49:15
92.   tjdub
Just be careful with those names as there may be some karma attached. When my son was born we debated between the middle names Ryan and Williams. We went with Ryan and now ten years later he fancies himself a pitcher even though I keep trying to convince him that hitting is much more fun and that pitchers are the enemy. Old biases die hard.
2008-04-22 10:50:24
93.   Jon Weisman

In one of the biggest success stories for NBC's diversity writing program, "My Name Is Earl" writer-producer Danielle Sanchez-Witzel has inked a two-year overall deal with Universal Media Studios. The seven-figure pact marks the first overall deal to come out of the 8-year-old program.

In the first year of the deal, UMS will loan out Sanchez-Witzel to 20th Century Fox TV to continue working on NBC's comedy "Earl," where she will be upped to co-executive producer beginning in the fall. She will be developing new projects for UMS during both years.

Once an aspiring sports broadcaster who covered the Stanford baseball team for the university's radio station while a student there, Sanchez-Witzel shifted her attention to feature producing when she enrolled in the masters program at the UCLA School of Film & Television. "

2008-04-22 10:50:53
94.   Eric Stephen
Does watching TV count? Probably not, so I'll say cooking.
2008-04-22 10:51:56
95.   MC Safety
86 Mine would have to be playing and collecting music.
2008-04-22 10:52:03
96.   Kevin Lewis
Favorite non-baseball hobbies:

BBQ- I cook this way about 3 times a week on the Big Green Egg. In fact, I have some pineapple in the fridge that is calling to be skewered tonight.

Reading, walking, playing guitar, cooking, and I am beginning to enjoy fixing things around the house.

2008-04-22 10:52:28
97.   Suffering Bruin
Ross Newhan still think DePodesta messed up by trading Lo Duca for Brad Penny.

It was a fine article, Ross, but do you really think we got hosed on that one? Even now?

2008-04-22 10:52:30
98.   bhsportsguy
86 I think you know mind too, outside of watching the Simpsons.
2008-04-22 10:53:17
99.   LAT
Does going to the horseraces count as a "hobby"? If so mine are: Cooking, Ponies, Fishing and I guess following the Dodgers would be considered a hobby.
2008-04-22 10:53:39
100.   tjdub
89 You're not alone. My first suggestion for naming our twin daughters Sandy and Dawn was quickly rejected.
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2008-04-22 10:53:43
101.   Marty
I just put Opera on my blackberry and really like it.

As far as hobbies:

~ Cooking (not just BBQ)
~ Antique pottery and tile collecting, strictly Southern Califoria.
~ Fishing
~ Golf. Not so much anymore with my bad back

2008-04-22 10:55:42
102.   Marty
93 Interesting. I know a couple who are on staff at Earl.
2008-04-22 10:57:56
103.   bhsportsguy
Lots of cooking interests here, anyone bake too?
2008-04-22 10:58:33
104.   Penarol1916
88. It gets somewhat brisk and is colder than California in the winter, but I don't think that the temperature gets below freezing. Of course, going to Uruguay in the winter is not all that fun unless you know a lot of people or have a lot of interest in minor Spanish colonial history or nice wool sweaters and leather goods. You can't even go to a nice asado in the winter.
2008-04-22 10:58:41
105.   Andrew Shimmin
103- Brock does. Sort of.
2008-04-22 10:59:31
106.   Jon Weisman
89 - I proposed Pedro for our first son, but that got shot down. But our newborn almost got R.J. for his initials. Like I said, that was a gameday decision.
2008-04-22 11:00:32
107.   Jon Weisman
So a cooking blog before the American history blog?
2008-04-22 11:03:29
108.   D4P
2008-04-22 11:04:01
109.   LAT
Regarding names, I'm curious how many of you have wives who have kept their own name. In what I think is an unusual twist, my wife and I disagreed because I wanted her to keep her name and she wanted to take mine. I know two guys who have added their wife's last name to their name and their kid's names.
2008-04-22 11:04:47
110.   Marty
103 I'm starting to. I've baked a couple cakes with some degree of success.
2008-04-22 11:06:33
111.   gcrl
i know a couple who went through their geneaology to find a common name to use. seems a bit extreme to me.

my dad goes by his middle name, so he saw no reason to give me a first name i would use. it stinks, even if lynn nolan ryan suffers the same fate.

2008-04-22 11:06:38
112.   Jacob L
I am not happy with the continuing popularity of Jacob as a boy's name. It was very unpopular when I was a kid, and so I'm not used to hearing my name when people aren't talking to me. Nowadays, I go to the store, and mom's are yelling "Jacob!" at toddlers left and right.

We have 2 girls and the first name (Maxine) was a snap. Number 2 was agreed upon a few hours post-birth (Sadie beating out Sonia) based on our perceptions (dead wrong, by the way) of the kid's personality in the first moments of life.

I disagree that girls names are easier. I had a good list of contenders for boys' names, which I now won't use, since we're done having kids. I like common names that have fallen out of popularity in recent decades. For boys, I was into Arthur and Clifford (both family names).

2008-04-22 11:07:58
113.   bhsportsguy
107 I would be on much safer ground describing how to make a tart than discuss the Alien & Sedition Acts.

109 I believe 4 out of 5 couples I know, the wife took her husband's name.

2008-04-22 11:08:59
114.   bhsportsguy
112 The image of a glasses wearing rodent and big red dog come to mind.
2008-04-22 11:10:40
115.   Jacob L
My wife did not take my name, mostly because it would sound funny.
2008-04-22 11:12:12
116.   Andrew Shimmin
The only characteristic of a person more useless than his name is his birthday. When the revolution comes, we'll give up the ghost and just go by numbers, as Ch-i intended.
2008-04-22 11:13:16
117.   Jacob L
114 Excellent point. One would be well advised to avoid character names from popular kids' entertainments. Good thing I didn't have boys. I'd also avoid Harry, Hermione, Dora, Kermit, Barney (which is a great name), etc. Interestingly, I know a couple of babies named Oscar.
2008-04-22 11:13:33
118.   D4P
Everybody heres a number, not a name
But I guess thats all right with me
2008-04-22 11:14:01
119.   Kevin Lewis
Nope, my wife tends to enjoy baking more than I do. I love making crepes, homemade pizza, etc, but I typically only bake cookies.

I suggested for my wife to keep her name, especially since there are no boys in their family. She looked at me funny and took my name.

2008-04-22 11:14:59
120.   Andrew Shimmin
That's quite enough out of you, 118.
2008-04-22 11:15:00
121.   Penarol1916
109. We had exactly the same disagreement, my wife won since it was her name so if she wanted to ditch it, it was fine with me.

112. Aren't Sadie and Sonia both names that have actually become more popular in the last couple of years. A couple of decades is pretty standard for the rotation of names. There was a really interesting article a couple of years ago about how it happens. Upper class people tend to want avoid names that are popular with the hoi polloi, so they choose names that have fallen out of favor over the last 20-30 years so their kids can be unique. These names then filter out through the rest of the population and the cycle starts again.

2008-04-22 11:15:10
122.   Kevin Lewis

Some of the baby names on the popular websites are hilarious. My favorite that I saw today:


that's right, you read it correctly.

2008-04-22 11:16:03
123.   LAT
I have a friend whose last name is Lynd and his wife's name is Lynn. She did not take his name.

I have another friend whose last name is Cha and for a while he and his two brothers had a law pratice.

2008-04-22 11:16:40
124.   Jon Weisman
109 - My favorite story about that was when I once went out with a girl whose last name was Bensch, and I thought about changing my name if we ever got married.
2008-04-22 11:19:36
125.   KingKopitar
To be honest, I use the Dodgers as a hobby for when the Kings inevitably fail miserably around the middle of March. I always have all this time that I usually spend reading about the Kings, so I use Dodger blogs to fill that void.
2008-04-22 11:19:39
126.   tjdub
117 Another to avoid: Michael Scott?
2008-04-22 11:19:51
127.   gcrl
i worked with a woman named tracy tracy. i wondered if his last name was part of the attraction.
2008-04-22 11:20:19
128.   MollyKnight
109-I'll never change my name. And my reasoning for doing it isn't exactly because I'm a feminist: I just like it. If my last name were something unfortunate, I'd probably switch it out. I'd like my future kids to be Knights too, but I don't see that happening. So I guess I'll just have to settle for bestowing it on my dogs.

Related: Lyman Bostock is a heck of a name.

2008-04-22 11:20:22
129.   Kevin Lewis
Cha Cha Cha

Please, tell me you are kidding :)

2008-04-22 11:21:30
130.   MC Safety
110 My girlfriend and her mom surprised me with a carrot cake the other day. That interested me. The process that birthed said cake, not so much.
2008-04-22 11:21:31
131.   bhsportsguy
123 Reminds me of when I was working in Beverly Hills in the mid-'90s and whenever I gave the mailing address over the phone, I just waited for invevitable comment (especially if the other person was out of town) when I said, "Beverly Hills, 90210"
2008-04-22 11:21:36
132.   Penarol1916
126. I don't know of many kids on the playground who follow The Office.
2008-04-22 11:23:08
133.   Jacob Burch
Favorite Non-Hobbies: snar...

Writing, card playing (all games. would kill for a decent 2-7 game at my stakes, but i'll settle for tv hold 'em), web management (both sites no one goes to and a fairly popular simpsons message board), cooking and wasting three paychecks at restaurants in the greater la area.

2008-04-22 11:23:09
134.   fanerman
127 "i worked with a woman named tracy tracy. i wondered if his last name was part of the attraction."
2008-04-22 11:24:03
135.   Eric Enders
128 Pirate Knight -- the dog who will run you through with a sword?
2008-04-22 11:24:16
136.   Bluebleeder87
hey Marty I was gonna ask you, do you know a place called "los 5 puntos" in ELA its semi famous I guess
2008-04-22 11:24:53
137.   Andrew Shimmin
134- The he, in "his," is, presumably Tracy Tracy's husband, whose surname she took when they married.
2008-04-22 11:25:11
138.   bhsportsguy
128 I had friend who gave her favorite name for a boy to her dog thinking that she would not have a son anytime soon. She did have son a few years after that.

Just don't marry anyone named Brown, Pitcher or Weasley.

2008-04-22 11:25:35
139.   Eric Enders
126 was one of the answers to last night's AFLAC question.
2008-04-22 11:26:33
140.   MollyKnight
I was in a wedding a few years ago where it was revealed to the (hellaciously unstable) mother of the groom at the rehearsal dinner the night before the wedding that the bride would not be taking his name. She then shrieked "You must not love my son enough!!" and stormed out.

Fun fact: this woman lives in Ohio and her front lawn is an homage to Disney.

2008-04-22 11:26:38
141.   fanerman
137 Ah, I assumed she was single. Or didn't bother thinking that she was married to a man whose last name was Tracy. Or something.
2008-04-22 11:28:14
142.   MollyKnight
128- Yes. Pirate Knight is what they call him at the vet, and everyone giggles.

It's quite possibly the best name in the history of canines, and I didn't even consider he'd have a surname when I named him. It was a lucky accident.

2008-04-22 11:28:27
143.   Marty
5 points in East LA? Not really, tho it seems I've heard of something like that in Boyle Heights? on First? There are two places I frequent in East L.A. and both are across the street from each other. Sandra & Lolita's Tamales, and Tacos Baja Ensenada. They are on Whittier, just east of Atlantic.
2008-04-22 11:33:06
144.   Kevin Lewis

Oh boy, that makes me think of some awful stories I have heard about in-laws and wedding prep.

I am so thankful that I get along/love being around my in-laws.

2008-04-22 11:33:07
145.   gcrl
137 - you are correct, sir
2008-04-22 11:34:17
146.   JoeyP
Dodgers have only played 2 teams this year that currently have an above .500 record.

0-6 vs the Dbax/Braves.

8-5 vs the Giants, Padres, Pirates, Reds

2008-04-22 11:34:27
147.   Kevin Lewis

I hear you on the decent stakes games. I get bored at most card nights because my circle is pretty cheap when it comes to gambling. Of course, this means I play horribly and lose my small buy in

2008-04-22 11:35:25
148.   slatkin
Speaking of The Times, anyone see this article?,1,4070485.story

The #4 worst trade is a little much. It wasn't even a bad trade IMO. I'd much rather have Brad Penny than any player we gave up.

Even if you thought it was a bad trade...was it really one of the worst in Dodger history? DePodesta hatred runs deep.

2008-04-22 11:36:53
149.   Marty
147 I have the same problem
2008-04-22 11:37:24
150.   Marty
Plus, all my friends insist on crazy wild-card games.
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2008-04-22 11:38:13
151.   bhsportsguy
147 Not to promote gambling on Jon's site but I see a barbeque/pot luck/a discussion on the effects of Washington's Farewell Address on American foreign policy/poker game in the future.
2008-04-22 11:38:21
152.   fanerman
148 How can you look at the Penny trade and not think we made out like bandits?
2008-04-22 11:39:14
153.   bhsportsguy
150 A H.O.R.S.E. game at low stakes would be fine with me.
2008-04-22 11:39:22
154.   evenatriple
I've got some great tickets for the game on Mother's Day (or is it Mothers' Day) that I can't use. I would be pleased to sell them at cost to a DT reader if anyone is interested. For more info, please click on the link to the DT ticket exchange, which you will find at the end of Jon's Dodger Resources list to the right. Thanks.
2008-04-22 11:40:36
155.   LAT
My wife worked with a Candice Kane.

Worst card game ever: 7-2-7 So painful-I just fold everytime (unless I'm dealt a 7).

2008-04-22 11:41:23
156.   D4P
My wife has come across some great Southern names here, including:

Tommy Tims
Sammy Sams
Alfonso Alonzo

2008-04-22 11:41:24
157.   Jacob Burch
147 I've ranged in stakes from nickel dime to "you probably can't afford that," but I'm pretty sure the only place that spreads any sort of lowball is a mixed BOT game at commerce and the bike at 10-20 limits, which is certainly out of my english-majoring zone.

112 I gripe about this almost anytime I'm at a shopping mall, and most recently, at dodger games. Woman behind me couldn't stop praising the accolades of Jacob's finger-painting skills. drove me nuts.

2008-04-22 11:41:41
158.   LeeLacy
To list the Penny trade as one of the worst is especially ludicrous in light of what we learned about LoDuca in the Mitchell Report.
2008-04-22 11:42:15
159.   MC Safety
142 Molly, you should get a husky and name him Travis.
2008-04-22 11:42:39
160.   fanerman
Speaking of Danica McKellar earlier in the thread, I was playing Marvel Ultimate Alliance for Xbox 360 last night with my roommate, and upon finishing and seeing the credits, I found out that she voiced the Invisible Woman character from the Fantastic Four. My roommate didn't really care but I thought it was pretty cool.
2008-04-22 11:44:15
161.   Jacob Burch
148 I believe that was discussed for a bit in the previous thread before the late night NPUT, but the general opinion was more or less your own
2008-04-22 11:44:43
162.   Marty
I'm not a lowball player. I like $100 buy-in 1-3 blinds no limit and if I'm in a structured game, 6-12 hold-em. I play very cheap limits online and usually get what I deserve.
2008-04-22 11:45:06
163.   MollyKnight
159- Gladys and Bobby are next on the list.
2008-04-22 11:45:28
164.   LAT
Yahoo has a list of the 10 Most Annoying Singers Ever. It seems to me Celine Dion should be all the even numbers and Michael Bolton the odd numbers and everyone else gets a pass.

2008-04-22 11:47:04
165.   Jacob Burch
162 I'm fine with nlhe and if I could get a decent change up to it (either a lower stakes BOT game--you haven't lived if you haven't played a real Badugi game--or HORSE would be fine) it would likely be my favorite. But I'm drowned in it now. I have played in games where every third rotation they do a deal of Oh/8, but that game gets fairly tedious when players cap with the third nut low on a regular basis.
2008-04-22 11:47:29
166.   bhsportsguy
163 If Gladys ever had kids....
2008-04-22 11:48:06
167.   KG16
157 - I think there is a 7 card stud low ball game at Hawaiian Gardens. I know they definitely have a hi/lo 7 card stud game there, though I don't normally play it.

I'm still looking for a pot limit Omaha high game here in California. Even if I'm trying to focus on tournaments rather than cash games.

2008-04-22 11:48:23
168.   Daniel Zappala
My theory on naming a child is to choose something that has a special meaning to you and your wife. If that fails, then it at least has to sound good with your last name, which is easy for Lewis but harder for Zappala.
2008-04-22 11:48:55
169.   Daniel Zappala
I added my wife's last name as my second middle name, and then we did the same for all our kids.
2008-04-22 11:49:09
170.   OhioBlues12
Can I ask what is Danica McKellar's significance to the DT community? I am assuming that it reaches beyond her starring role as Winnie Cooper.
2008-04-22 11:49:51
171.   MC Safety
163 Where is T.R. on the list?
2008-04-22 11:50:11
172.   KG16
162 - 1-3 is a bit too reckless for me, I prefer 2-5 (or in Cali 3-5), which is usually a $200-300 buy in (depending on where you play)
2008-04-22 11:51:01
173.   Shotupthemiddle
I worked at a bank with a Penny Nichols, which I found to be a great name for a bank employee.
2008-04-22 11:51:23
174.   bhsportsguy
165 I once beat Freddie Deeb at a Poker seminar when I stayed in with Q10 (I did not know what I was doing) in middle positon and flopped two pair, he entered at half the pot, I raised and went all in with A-Q. Sure it wasn't for any real money but it was nice feeling.

I have met several pros and they are pretty nice and willing to give advice as long as you don't talk about bad beats.

2008-04-22 11:51:58
175.   MollyKnight
171- Not high! I'm the only chickadee I know who doesn't get the appeal of Grey's Anatomy.

To bring things back to baseball, what's the over/under on the number of runs the Dodgers will score today? 1?

2008-04-22 11:52:21
176.   Jon Weisman
170 - It's a little hard to explain. It includes Winnie Cooper, but I just have a lot of respect for her.
2008-04-22 11:52:32
177.   dzzrtRatt
148 The Penny trade did have its comical side, though. The Dodgers didn't have a catcher, because Charles Johnson (?) refused a trade from Colorado that DePo had negotiated.

As I recall, in addition to losing the beloved H & S, the sportstalk types really zero'd in on the catcher question. Like it was proof that DePo was such a nerd, he didn't think a team really needed one.

Then, of course, Penny's elbow gave out.

At the time of the trade, a Dodger-connected neighbor of my brother's told him LoDuca was traded because the team thought he had a gambling problem. True or not, we now know he was a juicer who pulled others into it. So it's surprising that Newhan gives DePo no credit for possibly wanting to rid the team of a bad influence, and making the best deal he could for him.

Another Newham hallucination: Franklin Gutierrez has "fulfilled his promise?" He is an adequate part-time player with a little power. He might improve, but as of now, the Milton Bradley deal still looks like a good one -- even better since Bradley brought us Ethier.

The article is weird, too. It's supposed to be the five worst trades, except #2 is really four trades by two GMs over a several year period, none of them connected, and #4 is three trades, one of them in 1998 and two of them in 2004. Did the Times lay off its editors, too?

2008-04-22 11:52:33
178.   KG16
168 - My theory on naming a child is: what will not get him/her beat up in junior high? After that, what sounds good with the last name?

170 - it's pretty much Winnie Cooper for me

2008-04-22 11:52:56
179.   Jacob Burch
167 PLO would be a death game at low to medium stakes I'd imagine. Pot-Pot-Pot non stop because someone flopped top and bottom.

Granted, it would be a nice find if you got a number of level headed players.

164 Frankie Valli was a childhood hero of mine, even if he got sick every time my parents tried to take me to a show.

2008-04-22 11:53:16
180.   fanerman
175 "I'm the only chickadee I know who doesn't get the appeal of Grey's Anatomy."


2008-04-22 11:53:26
181.   Daniel Zappala
Hobbies: cooking, baking, skiing, hiking, genealogy, board and card games

Actual daily activities: helping kids with homework, reading books to kids, fixing things around the house, landscaping, home improvement

2008-04-22 11:54:21
182.   kinbote
Brazoban with another scoreless inning today (1 hit & 2 k's). There's no way we keep him down much longer.
2008-04-22 11:55:02
183.   D4P
Did the Times lay off its editors, too?

They're all working on the JoeChats these days.

2008-04-22 11:58:01
184.   Kevin Lewis

I would feel good about that kind of game.

I can't stand games with wild cards, especially Baseball. Every time I am looking at the other guys cards, I got em beat and than a freaking 9 comes on the last card. Ahhhhhh

2008-04-22 11:58:35
185.   Jacob Burch
174 I was in vegas during the initial $50k HORSE event and it was a literal who's who during day one. I was just shy of 21 at the time, so all I could do was watch, but I truly didn't mind. I stood three feet from Chip Reese, and Paul Phillips spent his entire lunch break talking to me about cards, academia and scrabble.

Deeb himself would likely condemn my "hey these two cards connect, neat" style, but ah well. How you play to beat nickel-dime varies too highly from large games for me to put much though into it.

183 The bit about VORP had me laughing for a full fifteen minutes, I think.

2008-04-22 11:58:39
186.   dzzrtRatt
168 My wife wanted to name our son Charles, in honor of her uncle. I think her uncle was even notified of this plan. But shortly before he was born, I decided I disliked the name Charles, and really disliked all the usual nicknames for Charles. So we settled on Vincent, because my wife could say he was named after Van Gogh and I could say he was named after Scully.

Actually, his first name is John. He is in a direct line of first-born sons named John that goes back to the 1600s. I wasn't going to mess with it. But he's been Vinny since he was born, and it's been the perfect name for this stubbornly quirky kid. Plus, I know if I yell his name in a store, there's almost no chance someone else will answer.

2008-04-22 12:00:10
187.   OhioBlues12
176, 178 - Thanks, I can also appreciate Danica McKellar's talents both on and off the screen.
2008-04-22 12:00:37
188.   Marty
My friends' games usually degenerate into matches of Acey-Deucey, or RedDog as they say in Vegas. They play a lot of baseball, no-peeky, low spade in the hole type games too.

It may as well be Chutes and Ladders.

2008-04-22 12:01:21
189.   bhsportsguy
185 For me, its hard to go from No-Limit to Limit, especially Low 1-4. 3-6 games. You just have to accept that you are going to get beat with people who stay in with draw hands.
2008-04-22 12:01:57
190.   Eric Enders
175 Facing Volquez, I'll say two runs, and they'll come against the bullpen.
2008-04-22 12:04:45
191.   Jim Hitchcock
A few guitar players here. Think we can all synchronize to `Smoke on the Water'?
2008-04-22 12:05:08
192.   Daniel Zappala
186 That's a great story. In the Italian tradition, you named your first born son after your father. You sometimes end up with a long line of everyone named the same thing, but often you instead get alternating names. If Mariano names his first son Salvatore, then Salvatore's first son is Mariano, who then names his first son Salvatore, etc.

I'm amazed you ended up with an unbroken line back to the 1600s. Going back that far, infant mortality was really high. I have one great-grandmother Caroline who was the third Caroline her parents had. The first two died, and the parents kept trying again until one of the girls named Caroline lived.

2008-04-22 12:05:21
193.   dzzrtRatt
164 As a fan of Bob Dylan and Donald Fagen, I dreaded reading that list, but actually his choices are good, with the exception of Valli. I'm glad he fingered Billy Corgan and Conor Oberst, two of the most annoyingly self-important rock stars that I've always felt I shouldn't admit not liking.
2008-04-22 12:06:13
194.   Kevin Lewis

I can typically double my money on $150 buy on 3-6 limit game. I just play moderately tight/ aggressive style. It takes patience and can be really boring, but it makes people pay in the end. Of course, there always those sessions where you get junk and the guy next to you keeps winning with J/6 off suit.

2008-04-22 12:07:38
195.   Bob Timmermann
Now that Daniel has looked into my family genealogy, he is going to reserve cool names like Olga, Jelena, Adolphe, Clement, Blanche, August, Melvin, and Theodore for future use.

Adolphe has really been dropping in popularity the last 60-70 years.

2008-04-22 12:07:39
196.   Daniel Zappala
When it comes to Poker Thoughts, I understand how Xei feels. You guys are speaking a language I don't understand.
2008-04-22 12:09:13
197.   D4P
My wife's Italian grandfather was named X (first name) Y (middle name).

His sons are ZY and XY.

Z has a son named XY.

XY has a son named Y.

2008-04-22 12:09:15
198.   Jim Hitchcock
My theory on naming a child is: what will not get him/her beat up in junior high?

Naming your little girl Rocky would just be cruel.

2008-04-22 12:09:23
199.   Kevin Lewis
or my favorite, "hey an Ace landed on the river, so someone must of hung on with A/6"
2008-04-22 12:09:45
200.   fanerman
196 I'm in the same boat.
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2008-04-22 12:10:21
201.   dzzrtRatt
192 I think that side of my family stayed out of covered wagons and Nebraska winters. They got here not too long after the Mayflower, which was a pretty bold move, but after that they proceeded cautiously.
2008-04-22 12:10:22
202.   Daniel Zappala
195 Don't forget Herman.
2008-04-22 12:12:20
203.   Bob Timmermann
Herman was stillborn. So was Ralph.
2008-04-22 12:13:45
204.   Daniel Zappala
201 Maybe I come from poor stock. Or maybe your family has an immunity to the flu epidemics.
2008-04-22 12:14:14
205.   jasonungar07
I went with Benjamin Lucas but that was because he had a high Mid-Chlorian count.
2008-04-22 12:14:59
206.   Daniel Zappala
197 Totally typical. Italians are not into creativity when they name their kids. I can go back 10 generations and count just a handful of names.
2008-04-22 12:15:30
207.   dzzrtRatt
200 I played poker when it was poker. This Texas Hold'Em thing might be a fun game, but it isn't poker.
2008-04-22 12:16:25
208.   kinbote
A toast to all maternal grandfathers out there, living or dead.
2008-04-22 12:16:33
209.   Eric Enders
My grandfather was named Melbourne after his father's hometown. I always thought that was a cool name. Who knows, I may even steal it someday.

Fortunately, the idea of naming one's firstborn son after one's hometown did not continue in my family. This would have resulted in my dad being named Whiskeytown and me being named Oakland. And, worse, my kid being named El Paso.

2008-04-22 12:16:51
210.   Daniel Zappala
203 I count 10 Hermans in your family tree. Choice #1 if you ever have any kids of your own.
2008-04-22 12:18:34
211.   Jacob Burch
207 Flop games (and of a no limit variety) have been around a lot longer than the TV era may suggest. That said, High Draw games of the maverick era surely are (mostly) dead. Whether or not that's a good thing (or which is more 'real' poker) is up for debate.
2008-04-22 12:18:52
212.   Eric Enders
210 Except Bob, with his affinity for superfluous consonants, would probably want to spell it like the former Cincinnati Reds owner.
2008-04-22 12:19:11
213.   Marty
207 Should we call you the Murray Chass of poker? :-)
2008-04-22 12:20:04
214.   ToyCannon
LAT - last names, I think this has been mentioned in a previous thread about names but my wife went to a gynecologist whose last name was Beaver. I think she was married and I've always been curious if she kept her name or acquired it.
The jokes at med school must have been endless.
2008-04-22 12:20:04
215.   Jon Weisman
209 - Or if you have a daughter, Melba. I'll propose a toast to her birth.
2008-04-22 12:22:21
216.   ToyCannon
I always felt kids should be named after they were born and not before. You get a pet and you watch how it acts and you name it. I think a child should just go by the last 4 digits of the SSN until the personality warrants a name.
Some people would never get named and would remain a number forever.
2008-04-22 12:22:58
217.   Kevin Lewis
Just like my mom's dentist, Dr. Love
2008-04-22 12:24:34
219.   Eric Enders
215 Strange but true... Melbourne married a woman named Melba.
2008-04-22 12:26:01
220.   D4P
Suggested girl names:


2008-04-22 12:28:52
222.   MC Safety
I've got a grandpa named Herman. Herman Gunderman.
2008-04-22 12:30:39
223.   madmac
216 but some grow into their name
2008-04-22 12:30:41
224.   dzzrtRatt
216 "You get a pet and you watch how it acts and you name it."

If that's true, how come more pets aren't named Pee, Poop, Cry or Sleep?

2008-04-22 12:30:54
225.   ToyCannon
If I had a girl I would have liked to use the name Désirée.
2008-04-22 12:31:58
226.   madmac
220 that's so Jerry of you
2008-04-22 12:35:29
227.   ToyCannon
I've been deleted, do I get some kind of T-Shirt?
2008-04-22 12:36:46
228.   D4P
Is that your first career deletion? Rookie...
2008-04-22 12:38:30
229.   Terry A
"I got censored on Dodger Thoughts, and all i got was this (Rule 1 violation) t-shirt."
2008-04-22 12:38:45
230.   Andrew Shimmin
Wow. Frankie Valli fans coming out of the woodwork. Don't think you won't be mocked for that; it's just too shocking, right now.
2008-04-22 12:39:12
231.   dzzrtRatt
213 Yeah, guess so. I used to play seven card stud, so I suppose that's a kind of "flop" game, although I never heard that word. Whenever someone proposed a game that involved sharing or passing cards, we'd play but scornfully.
2008-04-22 12:39:25
232.   ToyCannon
Old Friend news on one of my favorite prospects from rotowire:
"Tiffany (shoulder) has started the season on the DL at the Rays' Double-A Montgomery affiliate. Tiffany is still working his way into shape after undergoing rotator cuff surgery in July 2006."
2008-04-22 12:41:53
233.   ToyCannon
I enjoyed the play, what can I say. Joe Pesci, who knew?

I even remember spinning old Four Seasons songs on my little 45 player when I was about 8-9. Nostalgia gets stronger the older you get.

2008-04-22 12:42:31
234.   LAT
214-You are correct becasue I now remeber telling the story of my former chiropractor who was named Dr. Hertz.

What did you get deleted for?

2008-04-22 12:42:41
235.   madmac
229 that's funny stuff right there
2008-04-22 12:45:11
236.   fanerman
234 It was a potential Secuity breach.
2008-04-22 12:45:27
237.   fanerman
236 Security.
2008-04-22 12:46:07
238.   Andrew Shimmin
Boomer nostalgia is pernicious--it's been adopted as transcendent. People like Brock, who's young enough to know better, run around thinking that the Beatles are important. Or, worse, good.
2008-04-22 12:49:15
239.   D4P
I sometimes wonder if we're two sides of the same coin.

But then I remember the pleats and the WalMart.

2008-04-22 12:52:05
240.   Daniel Zappala
238 , 239 Based on snark quotient alone, you two ought to be best buddies.
2008-04-22 13:04:46
241.   Andrew Shimmin
239- Well, isn't that a horrifying thought.
2008-04-22 13:05:07
242.   Terry A
239 - Now there's a new quarter design to wish for.

But who would be heads, and who would be tails?

2008-04-22 13:10:01
243.   Andrew Shimmin
I'll take tails; it would require that a monument be built to me. Which strikes me as fitting. Not in DC, though; that place is unbearable. I want a monument that people will come to, and be happy about doing it.

And there should be rides.

2008-04-22 13:16:16
244.   Jon Weisman
Jones benched, per Tony J.

Furcal 6
Martin 2
Garciaparra 5
Kent 4
Ethier 9
Kemp 8
Loney 3
Pierre 7
Kuo 1

2008-04-22 13:17:00
245.   kinbote

Pierre replaces Andruw today.

2008-04-22 13:18:11
246.   underdog
215 That'd be peachy!


Welp, I've got a late afternoon press screening to attend - of "The Wackness." Hopefully the Dodger game won't also be full of wackness before I catch up to it.

2008-04-22 13:18:27
247.   Terry A
AndrewLand: It's Edgy!

Located just minutes from historic downtown Pierre, South Dakota.

2008-04-22 13:19:58
248.   KG16
my sister just went with Tayloran for her little one. She was quite opposed to using names from the family tree.

But looking at the family tree, I can't really blame her, there are better boy names in the family tree... at least on my dad's side. On my mom's side, they're all Spanish names, and with a Welsh last name, I doubt any of them would work well.

2008-04-22 13:20:09
249.   Xeifrank
Gagne save situation right now (8-7 lead) and he hits the leadoff batter in the 9th.
vr, Xei
2008-04-22 13:21:03
250.   Daniel Zappala
244 Just because I'm in a quibbling mood, "benched" isn't the right word, is it? I always take that to mean someone has been relegated to the bench on a longer-term basis than one game. Maybe he's just resting tonight -- nobody plays every game.
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2008-04-22 13:21:50
251.   Jon Weisman
250 - I think you can be benched for a game, but so noted.
2008-04-22 13:22:32
252.   MC Safety
249 More please!
2008-04-22 13:22:52
253.   Bob Timmermann
When can I hire out Xeifrank Software Development Corporation again?
2008-04-22 13:24:19
254.   Xeifrank
249. 1st and 3rd one out, 8-7 still.
253. Need a code change to the Griddler?
vr, Xei
2008-04-22 13:24:36
255.   Daniel Zappala
Runners on first and third, one out, Pujols up.
2008-04-22 13:24:46
256.   Andrew Shimmin
The only problem with a monument is that it would, at least traditionally, only be put up after my death. Which means I wouldn't get a piece of the seven dollars a pop for bottled water scam.
2008-04-22 13:25:01
257.   Eric Enders
If Andruw's going to get benched, I'd rather it be for Delwyn Young. I'm tired of him getting less playing time than a Rule 5 pick. Apparently his cold spring training cemented in Torre's mind that he's no good. Since we're probably going to lose him to waivers in a few days anyway, it would be nice to put him out there for a couple of games and see what he can do.
2008-04-22 13:27:13
258.   Bob Timmermann
They upgraded my computer at work and wiped out your application.

I can run it at home now. Provided it will work in Vista.

2008-04-22 13:27:24
259.   Xeifrank
FC, game tied 8-8.
vr, Xei
2008-04-22 13:28:11
260.   Sushirabbit
I suppose DT is really a subset of the Dodgers "hobby", but I probably spend more time reading DT than anyother fun thing. Perhaps sleep is appropriate with a 15 mo. old. I can barely afford new tires for my track car, so that's off. Though when I got my latest SCCA decal, I considered putting it on my rear windsheild with an NRA sticker (also black and red) and some symbol for Rock and Roll (Stones Lips, maybe?). Cars, Guns and R&R. Maybe I should just go with a Miracle-Ear logo. :-)
2008-04-22 13:28:37
261.   Xeifrank
258. Wiped it out. If you didn't save the setup exe file, I will email you a new one, or a zip file that has one. vr, Xei
2008-04-22 13:28:57
262.   fanerman
Is it almost time for the Eric Gagne back-to-the-Dodgers Reunion Tour?
2008-04-22 13:30:15
263.   fanerman
260 Andrew would likely disapprove of anything Beatles related for Rock and Roll.
2008-04-22 13:30:35
264.   Bob Timmermann
The Griddler application lives on only as an icon that doesn't do anything.
2008-04-22 13:31:44
265.   Bob Timmermann
I considered putting it on my rear windsheild with an NRA sticker

They'll only get me to stop posting on Dodger Thoughts when they pry the keyboard out of my cold, dead hands.

2008-04-22 13:32:21
266.   D4P
an icon that doesn't do anything

Is its name "Tommy" by any chance...?

2008-04-22 13:34:09
267.   dzzrtRatt
233 If you grew up in the East Coast, the tough kids were all fans of the Seasons, probably because they were Italian. The Beatles were for girls.

238 Boomer nostalgia is one thing. Pretending that most pop music since that era isn't a massive cultural embarassment is, however, unnecessary. My millenial son and his friends are much more into Led Zeppelin, AC/DC, the Beatles and the Who than any of the current stuff. John Mayer makes him want to puke.

2008-04-22 13:38:59
268.   Daniel Zappala
Albert Pujols moves over to second base?
2008-04-22 13:40:02
269.   kinbote
[257) Amen. Evidently Torre is still learning his team.
2008-04-22 13:40:15
270.   Kevin Lewis
I remember the legend from childhood that a NRA sticker would keep you from being pulled over by the police
2008-04-22 13:41:48
271.   kinbote
269 Whoa. Is there a term for THAT? A parenthesacket?
2008-04-22 13:43:48
272.   Bluebleeder87
143 its a family owned market (est. in the 1920's if I remember correctly) that makes freshly baked tortillas, carnitas, nopalitos, tomato salad & a great salsa to a company the great food. The family is pretty famous around ELA (Sotelo family) because of there WW2 contributions, the original name of the market was "las quatro milpas" but was changed in the 70's if I'm remembering correctly, anyways the market is on Cesar Chavez ave & Indiana, really good authentic cuisine.
2008-04-22 13:46:15
273.   Kevin Lewis

Okay, what is the name and address of this place that I must drive to right now based on the description?

2008-04-22 14:00:02
274.   ToyCannon
To answer Jon's question about hobbies depresses me. I used to kayak, white water raft, scuba dive, play beach volleyball, and play lots and lots of softball.

The only thing I've done in the last ten years is play softball and I gave that up two years ago. It is not because I'm old but because all my friends moved away two by two to raise their families back where they came from. I need to pick friends who are native and don't have the urge to run home but we are few and far between.

My best friends wife is familiar with it, her family has shopped there for years. Her family grew up just West of Cal State LA but she is now in Kansas. The hardest thing for a Mexican in Kansas to adapt to is not the cold but the food.

2008-04-22 14:02:56
275.   Jon Weisman
274 - Yeah, I don't have really have hobbies right now - living vicariously through the rest of you.
2008-04-22 14:05:23
276.   Jacob Burch
230 As ToyCannon Suggested, its almost all nostalgia for me. Was obsessed with them around 8-10 and I can still remember the words to most songs.

231 I remembered being discolored by the idea of shared cards (I grew up playing almost only stud, but once you get the nuances it becomes much more than a gimmick.

Glad to see Kemp commanding center instead of JP.

2008-04-22 14:05:28
277.   bryanf
Did somebody say hobbies?

I would say baseball and computers are my biggest hobbies, but perhaps my biggest non-sports, non-technology hobby would be theatre. I enjoy going to live theatre (my fiancee and I go just about every other weekend) and have performed in a couple of community theatre musical productions.

I'm working on making reading news and working out more like hobbies, but I'm having trouble...

2008-04-22 14:06:45
278.   KG16
I don't think I really have any hobbies. I still consider cards to be a second career. And I consider writing to be a potential career, at least pursuit rather than hobby. And really, other than going to work and the gym, I don't have much time for anything else.

Strangely, I'm not depressed by that.

2008-04-22 14:08:20
279.   Bob Timmermann
My hobbies extend to dancing the can-can while wearing a green shirt and a catcher's mask.
2008-04-22 14:09:45
280.   Sac Town Dodger Fan
For those of you who consider baseball a hobby, check out some of these classic posters still available on this site.

I personally love the Bulldog one, but how is the Kevin Brown one sold out?

2008-04-22 14:09:49
281.   Jacob Burch
Also, I thought this may be a good place to ask--I went to the Sunday Boston/Dodger game last month and march, and Just received a statement in which not only did I get double charged at the concession stand, but it put a "Insufficient" fund charge on my account, for a grand total of sixty-odd dollars total loss. I can't get the bank to correct the fee until I get the Dodgers (or whomever) to reverse the double charge.

So, who in the heck do I contact to get this reversed?

2008-04-22 14:11:58
282.   KG16
280 - Kevin Brown used the ridiculous amount of money he got from the Dodgers to buy them all
2008-04-22 14:13:26
283.   Bob Timmermann
Call Customer Service at 866-DODGERS and ask to be transfered to the right department. It's probably some accountant who handles it. Ask for receipts and such.
2008-04-22 14:13:29
284.   Penarol1916
Traveling used to be my hobby until my youngest was born.
2008-04-22 14:13:37
285.   MC Safety
Tough day, Liverpool fans.
2008-04-22 14:14:44
286.   Underbruin
217 - On the nature of dentist names, mine is very appropriately named Dr. Fang.

Go fig.

2008-04-22 14:15:49
287.   Bob Timmermann
The Cardinals have burned through 20 players so far today. They still have Jason Isringhausen left. And I'm certain that La Russa won't put him in unless his team takes the lead.
2008-04-22 14:16:08
288.   Sac Town Dodger Fan
282 Maybe he covered his chartered jet paid for by the team for his family with them?
2008-04-22 14:16:48
289.   tjdub
280 Interesting mix! I have the 1955 championship team poster, complete with song lyrics, framed and mounted on my son's bedroom wall. For inspiration, you know.
2008-04-22 14:16:49
290.   Eric Enders
Like a lot of people here, I suspect, the books-music-film troika occupies a lot of my time. Also outdoor stuff, camping, hiking, etc. Roadtripping. I take photography very seriously.

I also enjoy anything I can construct with my hands. Making candles, for example. And I made a mountain duclimer once, even though I have no idea how to play it. I just thought it would be a cool thing to build.

2008-04-22 14:17:42
291.   Bob Timmermann
The Cardinals have also used two pitchers as pinch hitters already. And one of them, Adam Wainwright, got an RBI on a sacrifice fly.
2008-04-22 14:17:52
292.   Jacob Burch
283 I tried 866-DODGERS and It seemed to be only matters affiliated with ticketmaster--Perhaps I didn't pound the right order of keys, though.

285 =(

KG16 -- if possible, feel free to contact me at jacobburch at gmail dot com. I don't feel like derailing DT into PT, but perhaps I can work on getting a PLO game for you to practice on [as well as bug you on a number of questions I've been having].

2008-04-22 14:18:47
293.   underdog
285 Ouch, just saw that. An own goal, in injury time no less, gives Chelsea a tie, a tie that should've been a LP win.
2008-04-22 14:19:35
294.   dzzrtRatt
275 ...which is another way of saying your hobby is your kids. That's certainly true for me. I had a richly rewarding life full of socializing, travel and cultural exploration before I became a parent. Softball, heck yeah. Whatever you had, I'd show up for it, even if I was terrible.

Then all that stopped when the diapers and sippy cups came into my life. But I only missed the old days occasionally. Raising my stepson and my son were as compelling an experience as any I've ever had. And now that my son's about to head off to college, I admit I am looking forward to enjoying the old-fart, low-carb version of my previous life.

2008-04-22 14:20:16
295.   ToyCannon
Ghame Over's line so far with another scoreless inning today.
9 IP/2 Hits/0 runs/1 walk/11 K's

That will get it done.

2008-04-22 14:20:23
296.   Jon Weisman
290 - You and Jan Levinson could go into business together!
2008-04-22 14:21:22
297.   LAT
*275. Jon Weisman
Yeah, I don't have really have hobbies right now . . .*

Huh? Then what is this place? Isn't keeping us on the straigt and narrow your hobby. Heck, without DT, Bob would be hanging out on street corners doing the cancan. D4P would be buring down WalMarts. Daniel would have five more children. Brock and Bob would not have their aspiring P.I. agency. And Lord only knows how many more hours I would have billed.

2008-04-22 14:21:29
298.   Bob Timmermann
Try (323) 224-1500.
2008-04-22 14:21:50
299.   MC Safety
I wonder if Tavis Smiley ever second guessed his career path and thought about becoming a dentist.
2008-04-22 14:22:06
300.   Sushirabbit
This just seems appropriate to this thread, but it would have probably worked in The Lost Weekend, too.

Paul Anka sings Smell Like Teen Spirit

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2008-04-22 14:22:14
301.   Bob Timmermann
Greg Brock and I gave up on the P.I. business.

A dame was involved.

2008-04-22 14:23:03
302.   Penarol1916
286. That would be what is known as an aptonym
2008-04-22 14:23:44
303.   Eric Stephen
Aside from cooking, and probably higher on my hobby list is playing cards. Poker yes, but more so other mostly trump based games (Oh Hell, Hearts, 500, Spades).

And based on today's long overdue visit, paying my dentist will be a hobby of mine in the immediate future.

2008-04-22 14:24:22
304.   KG16
292 - email away
2008-04-22 14:25:10
305.   Bob Timmermann
The Brewers still had 14 pitchers on the roster today. They still have one position player available to pinch hit in backup catcher Mike Rivera. The Brewers have used Jeff Suppan and JJ Hardy as pinch hitters. Gabe Kapler came in as part of a double switch.
2008-04-22 14:25:32
306.   Underbruin
301 - Did you know she was trouble from the start?
2008-04-22 14:26:38
307.   Bluebleeder87
272 man, I'd pay to hear you guys order it. :o)
2008-04-22 14:26:43
308.   Disabled List
My hobby is cooking chili. I can seriously make a mean pot of red.
2008-04-22 14:26:52
309.   Underbruin
303 - Bridge?

Used to play it all the time in high school. Was pretty good for a while.

2008-04-22 14:27:24
310.   Underbruin
Oh, and 302 - Heh, I suppose it would.
2008-04-22 14:27:50
311.   Bob Timmermann
She had trouble written all over her. In the end, Brock was shot in a back alley. I ended up with the dingus. It's pretty heavy I discovered.

I'm not sure what it's made of.

2008-04-22 14:28:01
312.   bhsportsguy
298 Or this one.
(323) 224-1471.
2008-04-22 14:28:16
313.   LeeLacy
Too bad there aren't any Sandy Koufax posters. I've been trying to track one down to put in my son's (well, son-to-be) nursery so that he can view greatness from the moment he arrives home from the hospital. (My wife's starting to worry about me.)
2008-04-22 14:28:37
314.   MC Safety
Any cribbage fans?
2008-04-22 14:28:44
315.   D4P
Was there a pesky guy named "Keys" involved...?
2008-04-22 14:30:52
316.   Eric Stephen

The best part about your question is that I first thought you were asking about my dental visit! Luckily, no bridgework is necessary for me.

Alas, I haven't played the card game bridge. I'm sure I would like it, but I never played it growing up.

2008-04-22 14:31:42
317.   Bob Timmermann
I was just sitting at my desk, when former Brave and Indian Brook Jacoby, who later got a job serving as the master of the La Paloma fell over dead in front of me with a package.

He got shot earlier, but still walked all the way to the library. He was so tough, he refused to fall.

2008-04-22 14:32:26
318.   MC Safety
293 Mega ouch. Poor Riise.
2008-04-22 14:32:56
319.   fanerman
I suppose I have hobbies. Bowling, photography, home theater, guitar. I think those count. And of course there's baseball and the Dodgers.

I used to bowl in leagues, but that's hard to do without a car. I'm getting into photography, but I'm still quite bad. I enjoy photographing the outdoors; getting out far enough away is often a small challenge because I don't have a car. I like home theater. Living in an apartment is not ideal for it, but I've managed. I've picked up the guitar again, an instrument I stopped playing a long long time ago. I'm slowly getting better but I'm pretty confident I will eventually.

Hmm. I really ought to buy a car.

2008-04-22 14:34:07
320.   Kevin Lewis

I am trying to put together my first softball team to play in Pasadena.

2008-04-22 14:34:14
321.   Eric Stephen
You're going to feel really bad when you find out Brook Jacoby died because of your words!!!
2008-04-22 14:34:21
322.   Jon Weisman
297 - I should have said "non-baseball hobbies!"
2008-04-22 14:35:01
323.   Eric Enders
311 "Dingus" is a great word that's really underutilized these days.

Brewers win.

2008-04-22 14:37:30
324.   Kevin Lewis
My parents have been trying to teach me bridge for 10 years. I understand the game play and how to draw out the cards, but it is the crazy bidding system that I can't handle. I would need to invest time in it every week rather than a few times a year. I keep making fun of it to my mom, telling her it is a game for all the smart folks who can memorize a code and than just spit it back to their partner so they know where they are at in bidding.

She doesn't like it when I say, "Instead of memorizing this code, why can't I say 'I have 12-15 points, and 4 plus hearts'?"

2008-04-22 14:37:46
325.   Sac Town Dodger Fan
313 Yeah, Ive never seen a Koufax poster online. If you really want to break the bank, the memorbilia guys at Dodger Stadium have some amazing Koufax autographed posters, but it will cost you. Good Luck!
2008-04-22 14:39:00
326.   fanerman
319 As to things I do on a daily basis...
I play guitar at least a few times a week. I end up spending quite a few hours a week reviewing/post-processing pictures I've taken (and nothing fancy either--just adjustments). I cook regularly, but more to eat than to enjoy food. Music and movies and TV are a fairly regular thing. I don't read books as much as I'd like to.
2008-04-22 14:39:29
327.   tjdub
All these movie lovers in here and not one response to the hobby question has been, "I enjoy skinny-skiing, going to bullfights on acid..."

Too low-brow?

2008-04-22 14:39:48
328.   Kevin Lewis
86 322

Well, you did say "non-sports related"

That's why I left out Softball

2008-04-22 14:41:00
329.   underdog
319 This is one of the worst times to be considering buying a car. Consider instead, not buying a car. I got rid of mine a year+ ago and have barely missed it. Signed up for City Carshare which is great for errands (not as great for trips or longer periods; for that I rent a car). Forces me to bike and walk more, too. So I feel ya, there are times not having a car is a pain, but living in the bay area it's survivable.

Has anyone read Doug Fine's Farewell My Subaru yet? Just started, fun book. Inspirational but not preachy and he's pretty clumsy about some things.

Okay, off to see Wackness. Go Dodgers!

2008-04-22 14:43:02
330.   underdog
327 "I don't play golf, for money, against people."
2008-04-22 14:46:03
331.   Sac Town Dodger Fan
The only non-baseball hobbies are collecting rare Air Jordans, reading US History, and enjoying the beach here in Santa Barbara (and scenary!)
2008-04-22 14:46:31
332.   bhsportsguy
Is it a hobby if you have not actually done it in over a year?

Going from Jon's addendum of it being non-baseball related, aside from attending a local college's football and basketball games, cooking (both actually cooking and working with a cooking "school"), reading (aside from Prospect books, non-fiction, humourous fiction (Sedaris, Vowell), political/current events), I have golf clubs I think I played within a year, poker (last time in Vegas, locally in the last year).

I guess that's it outside of trying to answer quesitons before Bob.

2008-04-22 14:49:45
333.   Eric Stephen
I guess that's it outside of trying to answer quesitons before Bob

I share this hobby, although it's like trying to wake up before a rooster.

2008-04-22 14:51:38
334.   wronghanded
I am in constant need of stimulation so I have several hobbies. I play baseball every Sunday, guitar just about every night, video games (I love X-Box live), no-limit hold-em when I have the chance, fantasy sports leagues and watch baseball consistently. I also am a newlywed and work 45 hrs a week so needless to say I don't sleep much (usually about 4 hours a night).
2008-04-22 15:02:06
335.   Jon Weisman
Where'd you guys get the stat the other day that the Dodgers were last in save opportunities?
2008-04-22 15:04:19
336.   delias man
280 I used to have that Kevin Brown poster on my wall.
2008-04-22 15:04:40
337.   delias man
shamefully now
2008-04-22 15:05:44
338.   Bob Timmermann
335 has it in its sortable stats for pitchers. It's in "Extended I"
2008-04-22 15:07:20
339.   Bob Timmermann
I am in constant need of stimulation
I also am a newlywed

I've heard stories about this ....

2008-04-22 15:07:23
340.   bhsportsguy
335 However, Mr. Park has now moved the Dodgers to 15th in Save Opportunities.

Today's opponent is last with 2, with the 3 inning save, the Dodgers now have 3.

2008-04-22 15:09:09
341.   Bob Timmermann
Top to bottom in save opportunities:
2008-04-22 15:11:10
342.   Daniel Zappala
303 I love playing Oh Hell and Hearts. Have played Bridge before, but it takes much more brain power. Have also played Cribbage a long time ago.
2008-04-22 15:12:34
343.   tjdub
Actual Hobbies? My schedule this week is as follows:

Mon: My son's baseball practice
Tue: My son's soccer practice
Wed: My son's soccer game
Thur: My daughters' soccer practice and my son's baseball practice
Fri: more baseball practice
Sat: Soccer and baseball games

Not very well-rounded obviously but tons of fun

2008-04-22 15:12:58
344.   Eric Enders
340 Which raises the issue that, technically, every team leading a game after six innings has a save opportunity, no matter what the score is.
2008-04-22 15:14:22
345.   LAT
332. bh, what cooking school are you working with?
2008-04-22 15:14:27
346.   Bob Timmermann
The Dodgers benefited from a retroactive opportunity.
2008-04-22 15:14:32
347.   Sac Town Dodger Fan
334 PS3 is greater on so many levels. The PS Network is free. Personally, I just like the PS3 controllers better than the Xbox ones.

Even though Ken Griffey Jr. Baseball on the Super Nintendo was the greatest baseball video game ever!

2008-04-22 15:14:39
348.   Jon Weisman
Thanks. NPUT
2008-04-22 15:16:27
349.   Andrew Shimmin
Sarah Vowell isn't funny. I wish that she were as much as everybody else does. But I think the time has come for us to stop trying to fool ourselves.
2008-04-22 15:29:24
350.   Fallout
For a good part of my life I lived in Anaheim and went to many, many Angel games. As stated in the article, I recall him as not only a good ball player, but also a good man who died needlessly.
The Angels were on the map after signing Bostock and Angel fans were beginning to hope that things would turn around for them.
After Bostock was murdered, the murmurings that there was a curse on the team was talked about constantly.
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2008-04-22 16:22:00
351.   Gen3Blue
Based on Kuos second pitch, if that's not a strike we are in trouble with these umps.

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