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Vincent Scully '49
2008-04-29 10:20
by Jon Weisman

I was saving this image for a special occasion, but when I read that Vin Scully's Fordham alma mater was going to honor him tonight, it seemed like the right time to run it. Earlier this year, I had contacted the Fordham sports information department to see if there was anything fun they could find in their archives about Vinny, and they were kind enough to send me his yearbook photo.

Fordham's radio station, WFUV 90.7 FM, is celebrating its 60th anniversary this evening in New York.

"I'm deeply grateful for these honors and consider myself extremely fortunate," Scully said in the press release. "I was at Fordham when they started their FM radio station 60 years ago so I consider it a real privilege to have been there at the beginning."

Fordham previously honored Scully in 2000 with an honorary doctorate (and a special Fordham uniform, below).

Update: The Baseball Hall of Fame will unveil a new Jackie Robinson plaque Saturday that updates his legacy.

"When he earned election to the Hall of Fame in 1962, Jackie Robinson totaled a career worthy of inclusion based on performance alone," said Jeff Idelson, president of the National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum. "Now, 46 years later, his impact is not fully defined without mention of his extreme courage in breaking baseball's color barrier. The time is right to recognize his contribution to history, not only as a Hall of Fame player, but also as a civil rights pioneer."

Comments (141)
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2008-04-29 10:27:46
1.   Eric Stephen
Well, at least now the Dodgers know what number to retire when Vin Scully hangs 'em up.
2008-04-29 10:28:12
2.   scareduck
He looks like he's ready to take on e e cummings with a head-butt in the top picture.

Good stuff, Jon.

2008-04-29 10:30:33
3.   kngoworld
Is this post out of alignment for anyone else?
2008-04-29 10:30:52
4.   Xeifrank
hmmm, this entry isn't formatting very well for me. vr, Xei
2008-04-29 10:32:40
5.   Jon Weisman
4 - It's going to depend on the width of your browser window, at least until I solve the problem.
2008-04-29 10:34:49
6.   Jon Weisman
How's that?
2008-04-29 10:36:16
7.   fanerman
6 I'm still getting the weird formatting issues. Expanding the width of the browser fixed it for me. I'm using firefox.
2008-04-29 10:36:47
8.   Kevin Lewis
Man, is it just me, or has Vin Scully had one of the best careers possible? What an amazing life, and to break in at such a young age is just remarkable. Every time I hear him, I think about how cool it would be to have that job and to do it so well.

OT: I can't believe it took me so long to get the Seinfeld reference in the title for the Lowe article.

2008-04-29 10:41:09
9.   Jon Weisman
7 - It's just an issue that if your browser window is too narrow, the pictures won't fit unless I stack them. And I'm not doing that.
2008-04-29 10:42:20
10.   Marty
It looks like they caught Vin on a bad day for that photo, he looks so serious. And check out the tidal wave he's got going on his head.
2008-04-29 10:42:25
11.   Xeifrank
6. That's better. Thanks.
vr, Xei
2008-04-29 10:42:53
12.   Bob Timmermann
Vin Scully would probably tell you that he's been very fortunate in his career, but it's come at a price. He's been away from his family a lot. His first wife passed away as well as his oldest son.

Somewhere deep down, I think he wonders what life would be like if he had a regular job and a nice quiet nuclear family life. He didn't even have that when growing up.

2008-04-29 10:56:59
13.   Sushirabbit
Rose Hill Campus Bookstore is missing an oportunity, or at least I can't find any Scully jerseys on sale. I'd love to have had his career, too.
2008-04-29 10:57:01
14.   Xeifrank
12. I think this has the makings of another Bob Timmermann / LA Library history speech.
vr, Xei
2008-04-29 11:07:17
15.   kngoworld
6 Thanks Jon, looks great now, and a nice write up.
2008-04-29 11:14:54
16.   LAT
And check out the tidal wave he's got going on his head.

Perfect description, Marty

2008-04-29 11:15:07
17.   Eric Stephen
Tonight's Marlins starter, Andrew Miller, has been shelled in the first month of the season.

5 starts (none more than 5 IP)
22.2 IP
39 hits
11 BB
.394/.451/.606 against

His FIP ERA is only 4.59. Hopefully the Dodgers offense can produce against the young tall lefty.

2008-04-29 11:16:40
18.   Xeifrank
Jason Schmidt is supposedly pitching in a simulated game today.

Any ideas where and when this simulated game is taking place? Do they still have extended spring training? vr, Xei

2008-04-29 11:19:16
19.   Xeifrank
17. I was going to say Miller has been unlucky this year with a .439 BABIP against (Billingsley's is actually higher), but then I saw that he had a LD% of 26.5. Miller has been rocked.
vr, Xei
2008-04-29 11:23:52
20.   Bob Timmermann
Nope, that's about it.
2008-04-29 11:27:02
21.   Bob Timmermann
It could be before the game. Or perhaps at Vero Beach. Or maybe in Jason Schmidt's back yard.

I'm available to serve as a ghost runner.

2008-04-29 11:29:00
22.   Kevin Lewis

A very good point, and it is one my father-in-law reminds me of since he spent a lot of time working from a distance.

2008-04-29 11:30:52
23.   underdog
21 "It could be before the game. Or perhaps at Vero Beach. Or maybe in Jason Schmidt's back yard."

Will an East Coaster be there to do the yard work for him, first?

2008-04-29 11:31:00
24.   regfairfield
19 Pitchers can't really control their line drive rate, it's a big reason why BABIP is so random.

Or it could be that pitchers that constantly give up line drives don't last too long.

2008-04-29 11:31:38
25.   jlsc
There's a generation of us who don't live in LA but still have Vin Scully as the standard to judge all baseball announcers. They all come up lacking.
2008-04-29 11:31:42
26.   underdog
I like the idea of ghost runners and ghost hitters. Sounds sort of like Pac-Ball.

Wakka wakka wakka.

2008-04-29 11:38:05
27.   Eric Stephen
Florida 1B Mike Jacobs, who has put up a Kingmanesque 7 HR and a .261/.290/.580 line thus far, is expected to sit out tonight's game with a sore finger. If you're easily offended, don't ask Jacobs which finger is hurting.

Wes Helms started Sunday at 1B for Florida.

Also, old acquaintance Luis Gonzalez has only started twice in the past 15 games, but has managed to appear in the other 13 games as a pinch hitter.

2008-04-29 11:40:28
28.   underdog
Is Gonzo complaining about playing time yet?

Part of me wishes he'll play most of this series, and part of me kind of fears that - the idea of him getting "revenge" on the Dodgers or something.

2008-04-29 11:41:51
29.   Frip
Jon: Frip, the point is only...

There were many points made throughout the thread, not just yours.

2008-04-29 11:43:40
30.   Eric Stephen
Gonzo did hit .261/.426/.326 against the D-Backs last year. The OBP is nice, but I'm not sure if that counts as revenge.

Yet I still share the same worry. I sometimes wake up from nightmares of Paul LoDuca scoring a run following a run scoring double by Lenny Harris off Eric Gagne in late 2004.

2008-04-29 11:45:02
31.   Bob Timmermann
And I believe Guillermo Mota got the win in that game.
2008-04-29 11:46:42
32.   Xeifrank
24. Point taken. I guess I should've stated that Miller's BABIP fairly closely matches his LD%, whereas Billingsley's does not. Miller has given up a lot of line drives/hard hit balls and it shows in his BABIP. Billingsley has not given up a lot of line drives and yet his BABIP against is even higher than Miller's. Just one of the those strange anomalies. vr, Xei
2008-04-29 11:48:20
33.   Kevin Lewis

I don't get it


Could we have Wade throw a bean ball?

2008-04-29 11:51:17
34.   Bob Timmermann
Maybe 25 years from now Derek Lowe will come back to L.A. and start selling apologies for charity like Lee Elia is doing in Chicago.
2008-04-29 11:51:32
35.   Xeifrank
33. See the previous thread (post #3), and the previous thread before it. vr, Xei
2008-04-29 11:51:38
36.   fanerman
33 Frip was having a conversation with Jon in the Costas-blogger-post about the Lowe-West-Coast-post and decided to bring the discussion here into the Scully-Fordham-post.
2008-04-29 11:53:21
37.   Xeifrank
36. Yes, and it involved yard work, horn honking and loud concerts. It touched on a wide array of subjects as related to the Lowe-West-Coast post. vr, Xei
2008-04-29 11:54:04
38.   Neal Pollack
God bless Vin Scully. I'm moved to tears when I even THINK about him passing on/retiring.

Meanwhile, I was out of town this weekend and missed the entire Rockies series. I'm treating today like Opening Day II, and hope this weekend wasn't an illusion.

2008-04-29 11:54:12
39.   Jon Weisman
Folks, let us please take care not to sully the Scully post.
2008-04-29 11:56:13
40.   underdog
It really does blow my mind to think how long Scully has been at it, it's amazing. The things he's observed and broadcast to the world, boggles the mind. I hope he can stay healthy awhile longer, but I cherish every day I get to hear him live.
2008-04-29 11:56:50
41.   Marty
Are any of the players the Marlins got in the Miggy/D-Train trade on the big club?
2008-04-29 11:56:56
42.   underdog
(that's live, as in live on the radio, of course; it's harder to hear Vin do his day-to-day living.)
2008-04-29 11:57:03
43.   Xeifrank
39. Ok. :)
Is 60 years a long time for an FM radio station to be around? I wonder what the current record is.
vr, Xei
2008-04-29 11:57:49
44.   underdog
41 One of them is on the mound against us tonight. Then there's Cameron Maybin... And I believe one of their catchers?
2008-04-29 11:58:40
45.   regfairfield
44 Badenhop is one of their starters right now.
2008-04-29 12:00:55
46.   Eric Stephen
In case you wanted to sit in the baseline premium seats on May 10 or 11 against Houston, here's a deal for you:

Baseline premium seats (the ones on or near the rail between the dugout and foul pole), normally $225, for $110:

"Treat mom to a Dodger Stadium experience she will never
forget! Baseline Premium and Baseline Preferred tickets
include access to Baseline Box Clubs and complimentary buffet.

"This offer is available online only compliments of Smashbox
Cosmetics and the Los Angeles Dodgers. Simply enter "GLOSS"
underneath "Promotions and Special Offers" after clicking the
link next to the game you wish to attend."

2008-04-29 12:02:29
47.   Bob Timmermann
FM had different frequencies when it was first invented in the late 1930s. Then David Sarnoff got the FCC to move FM to the 88-106 range in 1945. And then the inventor of FM, Edwin Armstrong, reacted to this business setback by killing himself.
2008-04-29 12:02:50
48.   Jim Hitchcock
Does anyone know if the Eric Neel article on Vin Scully in which he interviewed several DT'ers was ever put online? I've never been able to find it, so I'm guessing not, but...?
2008-04-29 12:04:43
49.   Terry A
Wow, we get Melancholy Bob today.

And I love that Xeifrank, King of DodgerSims, doesn't know when/where a simulated game is.

2008-04-29 12:07:40
50.   silverwidow
44 Maybin is struggling at Double-A.
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2008-04-29 12:13:04
51.   silverwidow
Best major trade of the offseason was easily Haren for 6 really good, undervalued D-Backs prospects.
2008-04-29 12:18:32
52.   cargill06
i know it's a big if, but if schmidt comes back stays healthy and pitches effectively, barring injury wouldn't it be best to leave kershaw in the minors the rest of the year?
2008-04-29 12:19:35
53.   regfairfield
51 Isn't it a bit premature to say that? Unless you mean it was good for Arizona.
2008-04-29 12:25:18
54.   silverwidow
53 It was good for both sides. Eveland and Smith look like solid middle of the rotation guys. And Carlos Gonzalez has all the tools and had been playing great at AAA (he's young for that level, too). Chris Carter looks like Oakland's future DH. Brett Anderson is a very good control specialist. Aaron Cunningham is hurt, but also a good prospect.

Great trade, I say.

2008-04-29 12:29:08
55.   Penarol1916
52. That would be my preference with perhaps a September call-up to do some relief innings or one or two starts. This way he gets to continue to refine his control and we make sure that his innings are managed primarily for the benefit of the long-term rather than the short-term.
2008-04-29 12:31:56
56.   Eric Enders
I know Diamond Leung's sports psychologist story was already pointed out, but I thought it was funny that they used the headline "Dodgers hire sports psychologist to help with players' mental skills" accompanied by the photo of Mark Sweeney losing the game last year by forgetting how many outs there were. (They don't actually mention that incident or identify the photo, though.)

2008-04-29 12:33:58
57.   CanuckDodger
53 -- The Haren trade looks like a fantastic heist by Oakland with Smith and Eveland already paying off. At the time of the trade, trust me, they were the fifth and sixth most important players the A's were getting.
2008-04-29 12:35:52
58.   underdog
Yeah, I agree with Silverwidow. Or at least it's been good for both sides, with more help coming to the A's from those prospects soon. Eveland's been a revelation. The A's got a bountiful haul out of that one and the Swisher trade. Haren's great but if the DBacks have any injury issues they have a lot less depth in the minors to help them out this year.

50 Wow, you're right. He did start the season with the big club, though. But obviously wasn't ready.

2008-04-29 12:35:57
59.   popup
Thanks for the Vin picture Jon. It would be great if they had some Vin audio in their archives. Vinny played college baseball at Fordham-- he was an outfielder. From what I have heard he was a very good defensive player but not much of a hitter. I wonder if he wore #17 in college.


2008-04-29 12:36:32
60.   regfairfield
57 That's why I'm hesitant since Eveland and Smith are the only guys that are contributing to Oakland right now, and I'm unsure how long that will last.
2008-04-29 12:36:42
61.   D4P
Funny how little respect Beane gets from the non-basement-dweller crowd.

BTW: has anyone ever seen him called "Billy Beane Counter"...?

2008-04-29 12:39:52
62.   Humma Kavula
Regarding the update above... good move by the HOF. Robinson did and does deserve HOF membership based solely on his accomplishments between the lines, but the fact that there was no mention of the fact that he broke the color barrier was odd indeed... made odder by the fact that Pee Wee Reese's plaque DOES mention it: (SFW of course)

2008-04-29 12:40:02
63.   LAbits
10 Good job, and it is "fun", as Jon says. Not a factor in Vin speaking at Pepperdine last week, I would guess, even if we are the Waves.

As a fatherless boy, I guess I could say, Vin was the guy who 'read me to sleep' every night. May God richly bless him.

From the sublime to the ridiculous:'s MLB page has an interesting story about the 25th anniversary of Cub's manger Lee Elia's tirade, which resulted after he stopped a couple players from going into the stands to confront fans. One of those players was Larry Bowa.

Bowa's temper and its origins are profiled in today's L.A. Times sport section. Decent article with pics.

Oddly, neither Lasorda's opinion of Kingman's performance, nor his views on .160 hitter (sp?) Bevaqua's accusation that Tommy ordered his knockdown made the top tirades list on ESPN (associated with the Lee Elia article). If you want to listen to either of those Tommy-rades (watch out, no bleeps) search for "Lasorda audio stew" on YouTube

2008-04-29 12:48:34
64.   Bob Timmermann
Dead to me:
David Sarnoff

Except he's already dead.

2008-04-29 12:49:04
65.   underdog
Updates from Tony Jax:

>>Expecting lots of rain for tonight's game. It's pretty gray right now, 3 1/2 hours before the game. Jason Schmidt just finished his sim game, everything SEEMED OK from up here, but we won't know for sure until we go down and find out. Marlins are taking BP right now. Luis Gonzalez just took some grounders at first base, and although he also did that in spring training, the Marlins beat guys tell me this was the first time they have seen him do it since then.<<

2008-04-29 12:50:26
66.   Bob Timmermann
Wow! It might rain during the game in Florida! This happens like ... all the time.
2008-04-29 12:51:43
67.   underdog
66 But he didn't complain about it! That's something, at least.
2008-04-29 12:53:05
68.   Eric Enders
I think updating Robinson's plaque is a horrible idea. The Hall of Fame plaques are supposed to be sacred. They're monuments to what the player's legacy was at the time he was inducted. They're timeless and permanent. To me it would be like like adding or changing something on the Statue of Liberty. You just don't mess with it.

The Hall has changed plaques before, but usually it happens immediately after the plaque is first unveiled. They re-did Bid McPhee's plaque because Cincinnati was spelled wrong. They re-did Ted Williams's because Ted didn't like the way the portrait looked. (Strangely, the old one, which I've seen in the Hall basement, looks much more like Williams than the new one, which barely resembles him.)

The only one that's been altered years after the fact is Roberto Clemente's, because they finally figured out they had his name wrong. (The correct name was Roberto Clemente Walker but they had Roberto Walker Clemente.)

Until now, though, the only reason a plaque was ever changed was if there was something wrong with it. This is the first time one has been changed just for the hell of it.

2008-04-29 12:53:18
69.   Bob Timmermann
West Coast writers don't mind rain delays for East Coast games. They still have plenty of time to file their stories.
2008-04-29 12:54:07
70.   dzzrtRatt has this to say about tonight's weather in Miami:

Watch for Lightning

Scattered T-Storms
71° F


Scattered thunderstorms early, mainly cloudy late with a few showers. Low 71F. Winds NE at 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 40%.


Roy Hobbs would say, "Play on!"

2008-04-29 12:55:22
71.   Bob Timmermann

My views are about the same as Eric's.

That joke will now officially be retired.

2008-04-29 12:56:01
72.   Xeifrank
49. haha, I thought of that at the time too. I think Jason Schmidt needs to pitch 4000 simulated games as to give us a good sample size of how well he really did. :)
vr, Xei
2008-04-29 12:56:12
73.   Bob Timmermann
That joke was visual in nature. And so it didn't work.

Never mind. I'm going off to curl up under my desk in the fetal position.

2008-04-29 12:57:40
74.   madmac
56 speaking of mental mistakes. I went to a Modesto Nuts minor league (CO) game on Saturday. With a runner on 1st, the batter hits to the 3rd base side of short, the SS makes a poor throw to 2nd and pulls the 2nd baseman off the bag, but still is close enough where I've seen the "in the vicinity" out called before. The throw to 1st was also late. The runner at 2nd wasn't paying attention and started walking off and was tagged out.
2008-04-29 13:02:56
75.   Brent is a Dodger Fan
I haven't lived in LA for almost 14 years, and every time I get the chance to hear Vinny's voice, I take it.

I get all misty and afraid anytime I think of the idea that Vinny won't be around forever, kind of like a dear relative. How can that be?

Great that he's being honored.

68 There's the rule, and there's the exception. If there's one player you would make an exception for, would it not be Jackie Robinson? It may have been, at the time, politically sensitive to mention his breaking the color barrier, as if to mention it then would imply that his enshrinement was in part because of that, and not strictly on his merits as a player.

2008-04-29 13:14:54
76.   Bluebleeder87
56 my teammates did that 2twice WITH THE BASES LOADE, 2 Sundays ago (they lost track of the outs) sigh
2008-04-29 13:16:39
77.   Eric Stephen
Bill Simmons, perhaps not always the most enlightened MLB voice but at the very least a huge fan, has this to say about the last two Dodger CF signees:

They are really the Lennon and McCartney of Free Agent Busts. Every sports fan in LA is going crazy about how bad they are during the 3 minutes per day when they aren't complaining about how everyone hates Kobe.

2008-04-29 13:17:31
78.   Eric Stephen
I guess the follow up question would be who are George & Ringo?
2008-04-29 13:25:07
79.   scareduck
78 - and Pete Best.
2008-04-29 13:26:54
80.   KG16
75 - that's part of what I don't like about the Hall changing the plaque. It seems like they are diminishing what Robinson did on the field and that it's not about his merits as a player. Doesn't matter if it happens now or when he was inducted, it's not right.

And besides, they've already made him an exception to one rule - retiring 42 through out baseball?

2008-04-29 13:28:05
81.   Eric Stephen
Pete Best is probably Mike Davis.

Darryl Strawberry is Harrison, and Don Stanhouse is Ringo.

2008-04-29 13:31:26
82.   Xeifrank
I am not really into "Halls Of Fame", but I am into Baseball history. I am sorry to say that I don't really care one way or the other if Robinson's plaque gets changed. If it's that big of a deal not to change the plaque, then why not just some special section of the HOF that houses the history of the Negro league and the breaking of the colour barrier in MLB. My guess is that that already exists though.
vr, Xei
2008-04-29 13:31:33
83.   skybluestoday
Re: 78

And maybe even Billy Preston...

2008-04-29 13:32:46
84.   Xeifrank
So is Pierre McCartney since he is left handed? Does his wife take half his $45 million a few years from now?
vr, Xei
2008-04-29 13:42:49
85.   kinbote
Andruw Jones is the walrus?
2008-04-29 13:47:29
86.   KG16
85 - so does that make Kemp and Ethier the eggmen?
2008-04-29 13:50:44
87.   gibsonhobbs88
75 - I've grown up listening to Vin here in LA and he fueled my passion for the Dodgers when he would weave his stories into the fabric of the game. He truly is a special treasure and a pleasure to listen too. I want to savor every game we do hear from the Master, because in the words of Don Henley in New York Minute, "One day they're here, next day they're gone".
It was kind of funny Friday night though when Saito blew the save and the game went to extra innings, Scully, tongue in check and in a mocking sarcastic tone said "Great, just what we all wanted, extra innings for this game." Realizing later that he had the Pepperdine engagement the next morning to attend, I understood his frustration at knowing he was not going to get a lot of sleep tonight.
2008-04-29 13:52:43
88.   kinbote
It's rather easy to picture Colletti as the caterpillar smoking atop a mushroom.

(BTW, the best word I can conjure up for Scully is "incomparable")

2008-04-29 13:56:22
89.   gibsonhobbs88
17 - Don't count your chickens so fast. Remember our last trip to Atlanta, three games scoring one run each to pitchers not named Smoltz or Hudson. Now that you pointed out how bad this Miller has pitched, he's now going to pitch a gem. Dodgers will probably end up scoring 1 run on 4 hits and striking out 8 times now and we'll lose like 5-1, Thanks 17!! ;-)
2008-04-29 13:56:41
90.   El Lay Dave
86 butter and egg men.
2008-04-29 13:57:16
91.   Humma Kavula
68 I understand why you feel that way. And believe me, I'm not trying to start a HOF argument with you, because that is an argument that I will lose.

But I think there's a genuine case here to be made that Robinson's plaque IS wrong -- just as wrong as misspelling Cincinnati or getting Clemente's name wrong. Isn't a plaque supposed to tell the story, briefly, of why Robinson is in the HOF? It seems to me that doing that without mentioning the color barrier is wrong. There's an argument, I guess, that the plaque should only be about on-field achievements, but the Reese plaque does away with that argument. Leaving the plaque as it is begs the question but doesn't foster discussion. It's just odd.

2008-04-29 13:58:09
92.   Gen3Blue
I guess that makes Colletti Brian Epstien.
2008-04-29 13:59:26
93.   madmac
so Yoko Ono is?
2008-04-29 14:01:37
94.   Humma Kavula
Ya know, speaking of begging the question, Eric might be in a position to answer this --

-- why in heaven's name did someone decide that Robinson's plaque should not mention his unique place in baseball and American history?

2008-04-29 14:03:25
95.   skybluestoday
Re: 93

Awww, Yoko turned out to be true-blue.

2008-04-29 14:03:36
96.   kinbote
93 Ng?
2008-04-29 14:04:34
97.   LogikReader
Yoko could have been Luis Gonzalez... You're breaking up the band Yoko!!
2008-04-29 14:08:44
98.   El Lay Dave
So this weird analogy makes Scott Boras = George Martin? Or is he Epstein and Colletti is Martin?
2008-04-29 14:12:30
99.   Xeifrank
89. Yes, but now that you mentioned the jinx, you have jinxed the jinx and thusly negated it. I will tread quietly as not to jinx the jinx of the jinx and thusly re-jinx it. vr, Xei
2008-04-29 14:13:54
100.   madmac
99 too late, only if you'd kept quiet :)
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2008-04-29 14:14:29
101.   kinbote
99 Jinx is a great Scrabble word.


2008-04-29 14:17:21
102.   Xeifrank
100. Hurry up and un-jinx it again.
vr, Xei
2008-04-29 14:17:40
103.   LogikReader

I forgot we still have to worry about about whether Kemp will make the lineup, but I think it's clear by now he'll be penciled in, or strike me with lightning!

2008-04-29 14:17:56
104.   madmac
well if JP and AJ = Lennon and McCartney then Yoko would need to be someone responsible for puting division between JP and AJ. Colletti?
2008-04-29 14:19:50
105.   LogikReader
I wonder if they'd consider benching 'Druw against "tough righties"?
2008-04-29 14:20:25
106.   arborial
I guess that means Joe Beimel is Rocky Raccoon.
2008-04-29 14:20:36
107.   Ken Noe
I think a better analogy would be Ron Nasty and Dirk McQuickley, singing "All You Need is Cash."
2008-04-29 14:21:57
108.   fanerman
102 The DT comment record will be broken by a never-ending wave of jinxing and un-jinxing.
2008-04-29 14:22:51
109.   Jon Weisman
Furcal, SS
Ethier, LF
Kemp, RF
Kent, 2B
Martin, C
Loney, 1B
Jones, CF
DeWitt, 3B
Lowe, RHP
2008-04-29 14:24:02
110.   Marty
Well, at least we are on the east coast so Lowe can bear down.
2008-04-29 14:26:22
111.   kinbote
Nice lineup. Let's hope it stays dry enough to play.
2008-04-29 14:26:59
112.   Xeifrank
110. haha. While technically on the "east coast", Florida and especially the Miami area seems just as laid back (or more) than California. Not sure how the judges will rule on this one. vr, Xei
2008-04-29 14:32:24
113.   silverwidow
No James McDonald tonight for some strange reason. Tanyon Sturtze of all people is taking his place.
2008-04-29 14:35:15
114.   kinbote
113 He's probably been traded for Juan Castro.
2008-04-29 14:36:10
115.   KG16
112 - well, there's west coast laid back, and there's Caribbean laid back. Miami is Caribbean laid back.

Different, but the same.

2008-04-29 14:36:40
116.   cargill06
is anyone under the opinion yet that we'd have been better off saving the $36 million and going with pierre kemp dre?
2008-04-29 14:38:20
117.   KG16
116 - I'm still under the opinion they'd have been better off saving 81 million and going with Ethier-Repko/Werth-Kemp
2008-04-29 14:39:31
118.   ToyCannon
Even stranger because Sturtze was lit up on Sunday so he's starting after one days rest?

From a previous thread about signing Nomo and giving him a proper send off.

Lieberthal will sign a one-day contract with Philadelphia on June 1 in order to officially retire as a member of the Phillies, the Philadelphia Inquirer reports. This is not an unusual move, especially when you consider that Lieberthal spent his first 13 seasons with the Phillies before backing up Russell Martin with the Dodgers in 2007.

2008-04-29 14:40:15
119.   ToyCannon
I think that is the best lineup I've seen this year from Torre.
2008-04-29 14:40:51
120.   Gen3Blue
I actually do feel sorry for Zito. All kinds of coverage on places like ESPN on his going to the bull-pen. Jone's and JP's contracts our minor compared to his.
Then again, I suppose one could trace all of these to the same incubator of philosophy.
2008-04-29 14:42:39
121.   Gen3Blue
119 I agree, but I think I'd like to swap Ethier and Martin.
2008-04-29 14:44:12
122.   ToyCannon
I wonder if Peavy is having 2nd thoughts about his contract now that he realizes the future in San Diego is a bunch of 3rd/4th place finishes during the lifetime of his deal?
2008-04-29 14:47:22
123.   bigcpa
65 Gonzalez is taking grounders at 1B because he still wants to be like Ethier. He also got a dye job and started drinking Red Bull.
2008-04-29 14:47:28
124.   underdog
Great line-up. Now... produce, boys!
2008-04-29 14:49:03
125.   cargill06
117 well ya, didn't think i'd have to ask if people now thought the pierre signing was a good one.
2008-04-29 14:53:56
126.   Sushirabbit
I just saw that Emmylou Harris is performing at the Fordham event, so Vin can check the Dodgers score with her.
2008-04-29 14:58:12
127.   Xeifrank
120. And in 2 days the incubator products will be facing off in the baseball's worst GM contest. vr, Xei
2008-04-29 14:59:42
128.   madmac
121 yeah, I think that's the change I'd make as well
2008-04-29 15:01:59
129.   Eric Stephen
I just realized that I had the honor of being post 17 in a thread about the former Fordham #17.
2008-04-29 15:04:12
130.   Gen3Blue
127 I hope that's one we lose, since we only have the understudy. Of course I mean in losing we would win.
2008-04-29 15:25:19
131.   underdog
Fun quote in that article on the Dodgers' Dominican scouting trip:

"I was over on Field 1 and I kept seeing balls flying over the trees from the main field," said {scout Ralph} Avila. "When I asked someone who was hitting, I was told that it was the player that my scouts really wanted me to see and I told them, 'Go ahead and sign him!'"

On Raul Mondesi, of course.

2008-04-29 15:27:40
132.   Bluebleeder87
I was kind of taken back right now when I visited Dodgers Dot com, the all-star voting is already taking place!! we're only a few weeks into the season, wow.
2008-04-29 15:28:49
133.   Bluebleeder87
one more thing, you guys don't think Torre is over using Saito? the reason I ask this is because I really feel (with his age) that Saito might be out of gas come crunch time.
2008-04-29 15:29:17
134.   Jon Weisman
2008-04-29 15:29:41
135.   Jon Weisman
133 - Everyone's talking about how underworked Saito is.
2008-04-29 15:30:49
136.   underdog
133 No, I think Saito's problem if anything - at least if you listen to him - is that he's been _under_used so far this season, just because of circumstances (the Dodgers either blowing someone out or being blown out). The more he pitches, in short bursts, the better he seems to be. That's how he's always been in his career. I don't think he's been overused. But there is still the possibility he loses "it" this season.
2008-04-29 15:37:48
137.   Bluebleeder87

Ken Arneson wrote an awesome awesome piece on him last year to which I almost was dumb founded on how simple yet clever it was. 3 years ago a couple of Dodger fans wanted us to sign Zito but I knew he'd stink if he lost a few miles an hour on his fastball (among other things) anyways Ken Arneson wrote down what I wish I could have articulated.

2008-04-29 15:57:43
138.   scareduck
127 - care to clarify?

2008-04-29 16:22:46
139.   Gen3Blue
128 Man can you imagine a 1-2 of Furcal and Ethier or Martin all year?
2008-04-29 16:25:49
140.   Gen3Blue
The Marlin's Miller looks a lot faster than the gun says, and I bet the look is more important than the reality.
2008-04-29 17:06:33
141.   Gen3Blue
Ought--ooh- that Lowe pitch is often a strike.

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