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Martin Gets Start at Third Base
2008-05-02 14:59
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

The lineup in cold Colorado:

Rafael Furcal, SS
Juan Pierre, LF
Matt Kemp, RF
Jeff Kent, 2B
Russell Martin, 3B
James Loney, 1B
Andruw Jones, CF
Gary Bennett, C

Brad Penny, P

What does it say about Martin that he can pick up a position he last played regularly half a decade ago, when defensive whiz Chin-Lung Hu can't? Anything? Nothing?

Dodgers at Rockies, 6:05 p.m.

* * *

**Dispatch From Radio Nowhere**

Well, here it comes. Will I be part of the solution or part of the problem?

Along with Steve Lyons, I will be a substitute co-host joining regular emcee Ken Levine on KABC AM 790's Sunday Night Sports Talk from 7 to 10 p.m. Yep, that's right: in the studio, on the air for three unbridled, commercial-interrupted hours.

Good thing I got that haircut Wednesday. I want you all to imagine me looking my best as you listen ...

Comments (694)
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2008-05-02 15:03:20
1.   silverwidow
Torre thinks outside the box.
2008-05-02 15:03:31
2.   Eric Enders
My name is Eric and I approve of this starting third baseman. (As long as it doesn't become a habit.)
2008-05-02 15:03:55
3.   regfairfield
I'm guessing Martin is the only catcher to play in 29 games this year.
2008-05-02 15:04:13
4.   Eric Enders
Answering Dodger Jack's question from the last thread.

245 "BTW, how did Traxler pass?"

The cause of death was not disclosed, but it was reported that he had "a short illness" and had been in a coma for two weeks prior. He had lifelong struggles with alcoholism.

Traxler was one of my all-time favorite Dodgers.

2008-05-02 15:04:25
5.   NoHoDodger
This move does not make sense.
You either sit Martin and start Bennett, or you play both Martin and DeWitt.

Essentially Torre decided that he'd rather have Bennett today, over DeWitt.

2008-05-02 15:06:40
6.   D4P
Didn't Jim Tracy take some criticism for starting Lo Duca at 1B on his "days off"...? Seems like this is a good way to wear down your catcher.

It's fine to use Martin at 3B in an emergency, but DeWitt at 3B is fine. If you're worried about losing Martin's offense, then start Ethier in LF instead of Pierre.

2008-05-02 15:07:04
7.   KG16
was today Ethier's scheduled day off?

secondly, what NoHoDodger said

2008-05-02 15:07:10
8.   elandcohen
i actually like the move. it's almost the same as giving Martin a day off, because 3rd base is not as demanding as catcher.
now if Torre were to give Bennett another start this weekend....
2008-05-02 15:07:12
9.   Eric Enders
Will Martin's streak of catching 30 consecutive Dodger games come to an end tonight? He caught the team's last two games of 2007 and the first 28 of 2008 -- I wonder if that's a franchise record.
2008-05-02 15:07:12
10.   Eric Stephen
5
Think of it the other way. Bennett is bound to start somewhere between 20-35 games this season. Tonight just happens to be one of them.

Martin gets to "rest" from the rigors of catching, and his bat stays in the lineup.

2008-05-02 15:08:53
11.   madmac
5 it's cold, Torre wants Martin in the lineup, Martin needs a rest from catching, Martin > DeWitt, Martin has experience at 3rd. What doesn't make sense?
2008-05-02 15:09:02
12.   KG16
How many days has DeWitt had off while on the big club and in Vegas? I can understand the need to give him a day off, but wouldn't it make more sense to move Furcal (and his cannon of an arm) over to third and have Hu start at short?

Or is Martin going to make a run at Ripkin's record? Because that would be kind of cool, and kinda scary.

2008-05-02 15:10:02
13.   Eric Enders
I think this is just a way of giving a guy a necessary day off from catching but still keep his bat in the lineup at a time when he's OPSing about 1.500. To pose it as a choice between DeWitt and Bennett is not correct, IMO.
2008-05-02 15:10:29
14.   Eric Enders
Also, you give DeWitt a bit of a break from playing every inning of every game at 3B.
2008-05-02 15:11:51
15.   Bob Hendley
I assume that Bennett was going to catch today and Torre asked Martin and the Golden God said yes. So its Martin over the Solution, not Bennett over DeWitt. Which further suggests that the Solution is seen as a temporary one.
2008-05-02 15:12:59
16.   bhsportsguy
In 22 plate appearances against Francis, Pierre has an OPS of .931 (9 hits, a double, and a walk). Torre said yesterday that Jones will play all weekend.
2008-05-02 15:13:00
17.   Andrew Shimmin
What does it say about Martin that he can pick up a position he last played regularly half a decade ago, when defensive whiz Chin-Lung Hu can't?

What does it say about management that they think Gary Bennett is an acceptable backup catcher, but that Hu is an unacceptable backup 3B?

2008-05-02 15:13:51
18.   Jon Weisman
6 - No, at the time I think people generally liked that move. I know I did. Although if memory serves, it was more often in left field - and really not that often.

It was the Jason Phillips at first base stuff that was the stuff to get upset about.

2008-05-02 15:14:03
19.   D4P
I guess it's just sad when your backup catcher is so bad that you can't play him without keeping your starting catcher in the lineup somewhere.

Bennett is really not even worthy of a major league contract, and Martin's health and longevity aren't being helped by having such a terrible backup.

2008-05-02 15:14:10
20.   Marty
So does this answer the "Will Laroche start when he gets back" question?
2008-05-02 15:14:46
21.   Eric Enders
0 "What does it say about Martin that he can pick up a position he last played regularly half a decade ago, when defensive whiz Chin-Lung Hu can't? Anything? Nothing?"

I'd say "nothing" because I don't accept the premise. I've seen no evidence and heard from no credible source that Hu can't learn to play third. They obviously don't trust Hu to play third, but that's different from him not being able to.

2008-05-02 15:15:00
22.   Andrew Shimmin
Which is not to say I have a problem with this, necessarily. Watching Martin at 3B is going to be fun.
2008-05-02 15:15:01
23.   bhsportsguy
12 I don't think because athletically the guy can play a position like 3B, means you want to play him there.
2008-05-02 15:15:09
24.   nofatmike
As a person who has Martin on their fantasy league roster, I wholeheartedly approve.

As a person who has never seen his team in the World Series and have seen more than his fair share of injuries to stupid moves, I apprehensively disapprove.

In other words, I'm on the fence.

2008-05-02 15:15:24
25.   JoeyP
I dont think it really says anything right now. Martin didnt even get a ball hit his way the last time he played 3b.

But I like that he's getting the start at 3b. It sure beats signing Juan Castro to play 3b.

2008-05-02 15:16:01
26.   Jon Weisman
19 - I'm no fan of Bennett or his signing, but the Dodgers are rather unique in having such a good-hitting catcher - yet not unique in having a weak-hitting backup. I'm not sure that having a different backup catcher would change today's scenario.
2008-05-02 15:16:03
27.   KG16
20 - I don't think so. It is possible that Torre decided to give DeWitt the day off and Martin is the only "acceptable" back up at third.

I personally would rather have the Solution playing third and Martin either having the day off or behind the plate, but I don't get to fill out the line up card.

2008-05-02 15:16:23
28.   Andrew Shimmin
23- How is that true for Furry and Hu, but not Martin?
2008-05-02 15:16:27
29.   JoeyP
Moreover, I just think we need to see if Martin can actually play the position. If no one ever hits the ball to him, its great.

But I suspect Taveras will be bunting his direction all nite. If he flubs those plays, I think Torre ends the experiment.

2008-05-02 15:16:38
30.   Jon Weisman
21 - Well, that's what I meant. I mean, I agree with you.
2008-05-02 15:17:28
31.   gibsonhobbs88
It may be moot tonight if the weather is as dicey as it appears on the weather forecasts on the internet. Night time temperatures in Denver under 30 degees with 20-30 mph winds and possible snow flurries. Saturday night and Sunday's day game forecast is more promising. 38 degrees expected high Saturday night and day game Sunday with temperatures in the high 60's and mostly sunny expected. Tonight is the least promising of the three games to get in.
2008-05-02 15:18:08
32.   KAYVMON
I think what this lineup says is that Torre realizes if he is going to play both Jones and Pierre, he can't afford to take Russ's bat out of the lineup. What Torre should realize is that if he is going to give Either or Kemp a day off, make it on a day where Kent and Martin are both playing (preferably in their normal positions).
2008-05-02 15:18:13
33.   Eric Stephen
24
I was thinking of the fantasy aspect the other day too, but why wouldn't you use Martin at catcher for fantasy purposes? Isn't it easier to pick up a 3B that can hit better than a 2nd or 3rd catcher, depending on your league roster rules?
2008-05-02 15:18:18
34.   KG16
23 - for a spot start, I don't see a problem with it. Teams do that all the time to get guys rest.
2008-05-02 15:19:47
35.   NoHoDodger
For what it's worth, the HOT CORNER is probably the most stressful position in the infield. (reaction time, bunting situations, long throw, etc.)

I just don't see how 3B is giving Martin his "break." Martin's recent 3B experience in live games is diminimus.

If he needs a break, give him the day off.

I hope his defense does not come back to bite us in the *.

2008-05-02 15:20:08
36.   JoeyP
Martin at 3b doesnt have many positive aspects. Not many people would play Martin at 3b instead of C anyway.

Now, Pujols playing 2b (which he did earlier, but I dont think fantasy leagues recognized it) is pretty cool.

2008-05-02 15:20:48
37.   Bob Hendley
29 - I don't think that we need to see this, but I do think that we need to see if Hu can play there.
2008-05-02 15:21:32
38.   twerp
Reverting to the sportswriter theme--

Most DTers are on or near the West Coast and probably never have seen this particular column by a former sports editor of the Memphis Commercial Appeal.
The paper reprinted it each Christmas for years, and may still.

It's not even about sports. But it's one fine piece of writing. And it strongly refutes an often-held opinion that sportswriters can't write well about other things.

IIRC, this version cuts off a bit of the end and may have left others bits out. But it's the best Google could deliver. It's well worth the time of anyone who has any interest in history and/or appreciates good writing, as most folks here do.

http://tinyurl.com/4jjvrc

2008-05-02 15:21:37
39.   bhsportsguy
28 If Hu can play it, fine. I think this points more towards the idea that at some point this year, the Dodgers will need to find a player they feel comfortable as a backup at 3B. Whether its Abreu or not remains to be seen.

If they keep 12 pitchers, they can't keep two of these three guys, Nomar, LaRoche and Dewitt on the roster at the same time, it is just too limiting to have 2 players that can only play 3B. If it was Nomar and one of the other two and they DFA Sweeney, okay, I could see that though (Nomar would be the backup at both 1B/3B). Or they could get rid of an outfielder.

2008-05-02 15:24:39
40.   fanerman
Maybe Torre wants to see how good or bad Russell actually is at 3B. I know I do. But, I'd rather he get a real day off. Andy how's that thumb feeling?
2008-05-02 15:25:24
41.   Eric Enders
If Bob really wanted to impress us, he would let us know the last time a third baseman started his career by playing seven innings without a single defensive chance.
2008-05-02 15:26:30
42.   D4P
41
Is Bob staying away today because of his recent grumpiness...?
2008-05-02 15:27:33
43.   Andrew Shimmin
39- I think Sweeney's the odd man out, there. With Nomar and Delwyn Young, there's no real point to him. But I hope they don't go with twelve pitchers the whole year--that would be tedious.
2008-05-02 15:27:49
44.   Eric Enders
I tend to agree with Eric Stephen in that I fail to see how this would have a Fantasy Baseball benefit.
2008-05-02 15:28:19
45.   Brent is a Dodger Fan
32 -- While this explanation makes sense, and I agree with it, I don't think we have evidence to show that Torre actually thinks this way.

It is kind of kooky.

That said, I think Torre is saying that he'd rather have Martin's bat than Hu's glove.

2008-05-02 15:29:19
46.   schoffle
0

I was under the impression that Chin-Lung Hu played 3rd base very well in spring training, I have no idea why Torre seems to shy away from playing him there now but I do not believe it has much to do with ablity.

2008-05-02 15:29:51
47.   Andrew Shimmin
42- There are other explanations for a person's finding you irritating than "grumpiness."
2008-05-02 15:30:15
48.   bhsportsguy
41 He would have had one in his very first inning but Park came down to field the bunt right in front of him.
2008-05-02 15:30:31
49.   invisibleman
I'm a little sad Sal Fasano isn't our backup.

The lack of mustache presence on the roster worries me.

2008-05-02 15:31:01
50.   Jon Weisman
My overriding reaction to this is that it's fun to see Martin at third.

And it makes me feel like we might get to see him play ball until he's 40 (if he wants), like Biggio.

But I still want to see him at shortstop too!

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2008-05-02 15:31:05
51.   Eric Enders
It might be that they don't think Hu's bat can carry third. In the long-term, they'd be correct. But in the short-term, it would replace Gary Bennett's "bat."
2008-05-02 15:31:20
52.   overkill94
I love having Russell playing 3B today. People are always complaining about him not getting enough days off, but how could you actually take his bat out of the lineup with how hot he is? I doubt Torre sees him as a real 3B backup, but how much harm could he really do in one game there (especially with a flyball pitcher like Penny)? 3B is much less stressful than catcher and since DeWitt could use a day off I think it makes total sense.
2008-05-02 15:32:34
53.   overkill94
51 Still doesn't explain taking Russell's bat out of the lineup.
2008-05-02 15:34:07
54.   Eric Enders
I was one of those people who loved it whenever Adrian Beltre would play shortstop, and hoped he'd get lots of balls hit to him. Which he never did.

Actually, I find it enjoyable pretty much whenever a guy ends up playing a highly unusual position. I loved the Pedro Feliz catching game last year. And usually those guys end up doing a lot better than people thought they'd do.

Maybe if we have a big lead at the end of the season, Torre will let Martin pull a Bert Campaneris. (Or, if you prefer, a Cesar Tovar/Jose Oquendo.)

2008-05-02 15:34:44
55.   gibsonhobbs88
Also, why is Ethier lately getting the bench when they have a tough lefty is on the mound. I thought Ethier has proven he can handle the lefties rather well. Go figure!!
2008-05-02 15:34:52
56.   overkill94
44 Well, in standard Yahoo leagues Russell probably won't qualify at 3B all year, but in my deep NL-only league anyone who plays one inning at any position qualifies there. Normally it's true that 3B is much deeper than C, but in my league you'll take anyone you can get who gets playing time so it's possible that I could pick up a catcher and move Russell to 3B.
2008-05-02 15:35:12
57.   D4P
There are other explanations for a person's finding you irritating than "grumpiness."

Rule 2 violation!

Plus, Bob admitted to being "grouchy" yesterday.

2008-05-02 15:35:55
58.   nofatmike
33 I like having guys who have multiple positions so I can set my lineup based upon matchups or whoever has the "hottest hand" instead of playing a guy because he's the only one that can play his position.
2008-05-02 15:35:56
59.   Marty
Torre was a catcher/third baseman wasn't he? Maybe he's reliving his past through Martin.
2008-05-02 15:35:58
60.   Bob Hendley
45 - I think he is saying that he would rather have Martin there than DeWitt.
2008-05-02 15:36:02
61.   D4P
55
It's especially ridiculous to bench Ethier vs. lefties in favor of Pierre.
2008-05-02 15:37:40
62.   bhsportsguy
It might have seemed like more but Hu only played 10 innings at 3B compared to the 140+ he just about split between SS and 2B.

He did successfully complete his 3 chances, 2 assists and 1 put out plus he participated in DP but it is still 10 innings.

2008-05-02 15:38:05
63.   Jon Weisman
59 - I think that's definitely a factor.
2008-05-02 15:39:37
64.   Eric Enders
Another consideration, not that we have any lefty starting pitchers, but Dodgers RHP = more Rockies LHB = more grounders to first and fewer to third.
2008-05-02 15:42:36
65.   overkill94
Benching Ethier versus some lefties is just a matter of figuring out when the best time would be to give him a rest. His career OPS against lefties is only .725 so while that's better than Pierre's career OPS, it's a better time to rest him than against a righty since his .852 OPS is quite nice.
2008-05-02 15:43:00
66.   bhsportsguy
After tonight's game, Ethier and Jones will lead the Dodger outfielders with 26 starts.

Ethier is still on pace to start 148-150 games.

2008-05-02 15:45:37
67.   Eric Enders
For the record, I'm OK with giving Ethier a rest whenever the actual purpose is giving Ethier a rest. If the purpose is just to get playing time for Pierre, as I suspect it is, then that's another matter.
2008-05-02 15:47:23
68.   Andrew Shimmin
57- I guess I must be cranky. . .
2008-05-02 15:48:03
69.   D4P
67
If Torre doesn't think Martin (i.e. the catcher) ever needs rest, I don't see why he'd think Ethier (an outfielder) does.
2008-05-02 15:49:42
70.   blue22
67 - Two words: "showcasing Pierre".

Not that any team needs a reminder of what kind of player he is - either you're down with JP, or you're not. Eventually, though, LA is going to have to make a decision on Pierre unless they think he's the LFer of the future once Andruw's contract runs out.

2008-05-02 15:52:40
71.   Eric Enders
showcasing /n./ 1. Playing your bad players who you don't want, just in case other teams might see how bad they are and want to acquire them.

(Needless to say, I'm against this practice. Just play the guys who can actually play baseball. It's a fairly simple concept.)

2008-05-02 15:53:23
72.   jtrichey
This sheds more light on my question from a couple weeks ago about moving Martin to 2B next year to replace Kent. Could get interesting. I can't see us moving him to 3rd long term with that being our most stacked position in the minors.
2008-05-02 15:53:43
73.   still bevens
70 Im sure in Torre's mind its 5 words (or 4 words and a number):

.931 Career OPS vs. Francis.

2008-05-02 15:54:51
74.   overkill94
67 He's started 26 of 28 games - I personally am not too worried about him getting too many days off in favor of Pierre
2008-05-02 15:58:58
75.   D4P
73
I seriously doubt Torre is aware of Pierre's .931 career OPS vs. Francis, though he might be aware of Pierre's .429 BA against him.
2008-05-02 16:00:00
76.   Jon Weisman
Update to this post above...
2008-05-02 16:00:05
77.   bhsportsguy
Johnny Bench started playing different positions to keep his bat in the lineup when he wasn't catching when he was 22.

And that meant usually playing in the outfield. Bench averaged around 20+ starts a year at other positions until he actually started getting just days off or he was hurt. He also rarely caught over 130 games in a season.

Joe Torre split time between 1B and catcher for the early part of his career, only in 1970 did he split time between 3B and catcher, he stopped catching in 1971 because Ted Simmons, who had split time with Torre the previous year, was ready to take the full time job and Joe just played 3B and became the MVP.

2008-05-02 16:00:31
78.   Hythloday
31 It may be a moot point this late in the comments, but it was a pleasant day here in Denver today (I didn't need a jacket) which likely means that it will be cool (but not cold) and windy as the storm blows out, but that any flurries will be relatively minor and short-lived. I would be shocked if they didn't play. It's the sort of conditions that probably favor the Dodgers.
2008-05-02 16:03:07
79.   bhsportsguy
Just once in your best Ross Porter voice, could you say, "Hmmm hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, are you ready for some Dodger Trivia?"

They'll probably get a bunch of Andrews that night.

2008-05-02 16:03:18
80.   overkill94
72 Then who the heck would play catcher?
2008-05-02 16:03:52
81.   bhsportsguy
79 I meant to say a bunch of Andrews on the phone lines calling in.
2008-05-02 16:08:13
82.   bigcpa
Consider me irked that Pierre gets back-to-back starts after today's bit in the Times.

Pierre refused to say if he still wanted to be a Dodger.

Not exactly a Mondesi-level outburst but far from "anything to help the team."

2008-05-02 16:09:48
83.   D4P
Update to this post above...

Is this a one-time gig or something more permanent...?

2008-05-02 16:11:12
84.   Eric Enders
My Great Lakes Loons cap just arrived from UPS. Now I'll probably have all kinds of people asking me why I'm wearing a duck on my head.
2008-05-02 16:11:56
85.   Jon Weisman
83 - Perhaps neither.
2008-05-02 16:12:58
86.   Marty
Along with Steve Lyons, I will be a substitute co-host joining regular emcee Ken Levine on KABC AM 790's Sunday Night Sports Talk from 7 to 10 p.m

Congratulations! You say substitute, so is it only this Sunday?

2008-05-02 16:13:41
87.   Marty
Stupid 83
2008-05-02 16:13:43
88.   blue22
82 - I would love to see Pierre's list of teams he'd rather play for than LA, given his current situation. Maybe LA could look the other way on any tampering charges, and allow Pierre's agent to try to negotiate a deal out of LA. I have a feeling that would be a humbling experience.
2008-05-02 16:14:50
89.   Lexinthedena
I loved how no matter how bad the trivia answer was Ross Porter would think for a second...and come back with something like "no, no the all time Dodger leader in pinch hits is not Chad Fonville...goodguesstho'"...loved it...oh how I miss Ross....

Regarding Bennett....I know he sucks, but how many backup catcher out there are that much better?

2008-05-02 16:16:09
90.   Eric Stephen
89
how many backup catcher out there are that much better?

At least 29.

OK, that was too snarky.

2008-05-02 16:18:12
91.   Lexinthedena
90 He he...but seriously...outside of teams that operate a tandem, who is that much better?
2008-05-02 16:21:03
92.   blue22
Just the facts: Bennett's OPS of .250 ranks him 71st out of 75 players that have played catcher this year. Those worse:

Corky Miller - .222
Colt Morton - .167
Chris Stewart / Robinson Diaz (tied) - .000

2008-05-02 16:22:24
93.   still bevens
Speaking of Lyons. Did anyone catch his discussion about fantasy baseball during the end of the last Florida game? Steiner asked Steve if he had a team and he said yes, then paused. He followed the pause with "Well, I had a joke to make but I dont want to lose my job." Anyone else want to bet money that the words he was about to utter had something to do with "Yes I have a fantasy team. I have Andruw Jones and Juan Pierre in my OF and I am currently in last place."
2008-05-02 16:23:10
94.   Bob Timmermann
I guess the record of most consecutive games played at catcher will be safe. The record is 312 by Frankie Hayes from 1943 to early in the 1946 season.

Hayes was so good that during this streak he played for three different teams: St. Louis, Philadelphia, and Cleveland, all of the AL.

The NL record is 233 by Ray Mueller of Cincinnati from 1943 through 1946, but the Sporting News gives him a pass for 1945 because he was in the military.

2008-05-02 16:23:46
95.   Jacob L
Jon and Steve Lyons. Wow.
2008-05-02 16:23:47
96.   fiddlestick
I worry more about Russell Martin climbing the backstop in Atlanta and leaping into the dugout and hanging on the roof of it in Florida than I do having him play 3rd base.
2008-05-02 16:25:07
97.   blue22
Another game, another homer for Utley. 2-0 Phils over Giants.
2008-05-02 16:26:14
98.   trainwreck
Congrats, Jon. Just remember to yell and cut-off callers and you will fit right in with the radio guys.
2008-05-02 16:26:47
99.   Ken Noe
92 But in fairness, both Miller and Morton have an RBI.
2008-05-02 16:28:47
100.   Jesse
man, i'm all about quantifying things and logic and... but i've had a couple beers and it's been a long week, so i'm going to have to make the assertion that right or wrong, russ m. is the greatest dodger player since... okay, so it was a shot of wild turkey and two beers, but i teach middle school english five days a week, so i figure i'm entitled...

cool is what i say... quite cool.

www.hobosoul.com

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2008-05-02 16:28:48
101.   Eric Enders
The only active catchers with career OPS+ worse than Bennett are Chad Moeller, Corky Miller, and Kevin Cash.

That's among guys with at least 100 career games played. If you make it 50 games, you can add Humberto Quintero and Wil Nieves.

2008-05-02 16:29:34
102.   blue22
99 - Bennett knows that OPS is a more telling stat than RBI.
2008-05-02 16:30:06
103.   Jon Weisman
Another good post by Andrew:

http://www.truebluela.com/2008/5/2/471862/story-title

2008-05-02 16:30:12
104.   Eric Stephen
I would like to know from Lyons, who would have first hand knowledge via the Prime Ticket pregame shows, just how often Kevin Kennedy refers to his managing days, even off camera.

Jon, beware if you see "Psycho" before the radio show looking at you kind of funny and clutching a manilla folder with a bunch of printouts from Dodger Thoughts.

2008-05-02 16:30:59
105.   Eric Enders
Also, I suspect that all the guys in 101 play defense better than Bennett does.
2008-05-02 16:34:18
106.   Jon Weisman
104 - That made me laugh. I think it's more likely that I'll get the "Who are you?" reaction.
2008-05-02 16:35:47
107.   bcg60
82 Consider me in complete agreement. The Times isn't the only paper Pierre complained to after the game yesterday. I read an article in another paper that was basically the same stuff. What a bunch of crap. Ethier just turned 26. He doesn't need to rest and he hits lefties fine.
2008-05-02 16:37:20
108.   D4P
I think Pierre's comments were acceptable. He doesn't want to sit on the bench, and I don't blame him.

Colletti caused a problem, and now he needs to solve it. My guess is he won't even attempt to do so until at least the upcoming off-season.

2008-05-02 16:37:52
109.   Eric Enders
104 At least Jon will have more warning than Leitch did. I mean, the guy is already named "Psycho."
2008-05-02 16:38:08
110.   Jon Weisman
Updated gametime forcast:

Rain / Snow Showers / Wind
38°F

2008-05-02 16:38:43
111.   Eric Enders
That last post, by the way, should be read in the same tone of voice as the bowhunting joke from "Kicking & Screaming."
2008-05-02 16:45:42
112.   Jim Hitchcock
Playing off Steve Lyons is bound to be fun.
2008-05-02 16:46:13
113.   Jon Weisman
111 - You must be talking about the other Kicking & Screaming.
2008-05-02 16:47:08
114.   Eric Enders
I consider the Will Ferrell one to be the other Kicking & Screaming. As all reasonable people should.
2008-05-02 16:49:16
115.   Ghost of Carlos Perez
Why is it that so many of the executives in basketball are former star players (and there are none in MLB)? I reckon being the GM for an NBA team requires a somewhat different skillset than being an MLB GM does, but I tend to think that in general former players would make bad executives.
2008-05-02 16:50:48
116.   Eric Stephen
Russell Martin is the 14th Dodger to play at least three games at both C & 3B:

http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/hFwN

Jerry Grote was the last Dodger to play more than a game at 3B and C, with 49 games caught and 9 at 3B from 1977-1981.

Johnny Roseboro also played 2 games at 3B, but other than that the list is all Brooklyn.

2008-05-02 16:51:49
117.   Bob Timmermann
116
What about Derrell Thomas and Bill Sudakis?
2008-05-02 16:52:17
118.   Kevin Lewis
OT:

Has anyone seen "Iron Man" yet? Worth the hype?

2008-05-02 16:55:59
119.   Eric Stephen
117
My bad...the first search I did was for primary C or 3B (50% of games at one of those positions) and eyeballed for guys with 2 & 5 for positions.

Then I redid the search for just minimum games and hence my error.

2008-05-02 16:56:21
120.   Eric Enders
115 Baseball used to be the same way. Basketball is now at approximately the same stage of its development as baseball was in the 1950s. Back in those days you'd have star players like Hank Greenberg, Charlie Gehringer, Joe Cronin, etc., as GMs. Then it got gradually more professionalized until there were relatively few former players who had the necessary qualifications.

Who was the last star player to be a GM in baseball? Sorry, Bill Stoneman, you don't count.

Maybe Al Rosen with the Giants?

2008-05-02 16:57:38
121.   Bob Timmermann
117
To be clear, Thomas and Sudakis were on the list, but they were L.A. Dodger players.

Calling Bill Sudakis a catcher was kind.

2008-05-02 17:00:05
122.   Eric Stephen
Wow, Derrell Thomas really was a super utility player. He played all over the place! Throughout his career he made at least 3 starts at every defensive position except pitcher.

I saw something on ESPN last weekend, that Carlos Guillen is the first man since 1958 to make an opening day start at all four infield positions.

2008-05-02 17:02:55
123.   Eric Enders
122 Who did it in 1958?

I'll guess Gil McDougald although him starting at 1B probably would have required an injury to someone else.

2008-05-02 17:03:08
124.   CodyS
So who are we going to sign to a 4-yr $40M dollar to play CF next year? Milton Bradley?
2008-05-02 17:05:19
125.   Eric Stephen
123
It was a graphic on screen that didn't mention the last player to do so. It might be on one of Stark's recent columns, but I haven't checked.

Maybe it was 1956, covering the Retrosheet era. That seems more likely since a previous player wasn't mentioned.

2008-05-02 17:05:33
126.   Jon Weisman
The Derrell Thomas at catcher week was a memorable one. I got to ask him about it the one time I met him, a couple years back.
2008-05-02 17:05:56
127.   Jon Weisman
123 - Bugs Bunny?
2008-05-02 17:05:59
128.   Eric Stephen
124
Jim Edmonds will be a free agent this offseason.
2008-05-02 17:06:11
129.   Eric Enders
Okay, so it's not Gil McDougald. He played at least 250 games at three of the four, but never played a single game at first.

Jackie probably did it if you count the Monarchs.

2008-05-02 17:07:03
130.   Eric Enders
128 So will my arthritic grandmother.
2008-05-02 17:07:45
131.   Ghost of Carlos Perez
I asked this a few days ago, but I don't think I saw a response:

Does anybody know where I could find a list of the top 20-30 international signees (by signing bonus) per year for the last 10 or so years?

2008-05-02 17:07:53
132.   Bob Timmermann
I would think Billy Goodman would be the likely candidate to have made Opening Day starts at all four infield positions.
2008-05-02 17:08:01
133.   Jon Weisman
Accuscore (!) favors Colorado tonight:

http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/preview?gameId=280502127

2008-05-02 17:08:40
134.   Sam DC
Congrats Jon; will your sunday night thing be streamed for foreigners and such?
2008-05-02 17:09:26
135.   Eric Stephen
131
My first guess would be Baseball America, but I don't have a subscription so I'm not 100% sure.
2008-05-02 17:09:32
136.   Bob Timmermann
In 1958, Goodman started at third. In 1956, he started at second. He only played one game at short in his career though and that was in 1950.
2008-05-02 17:11:01
137.   Eric Stephen
133
I wonder if Accuscore is related to the Storm Tracker Accu-cast.

http://tinyurl.com/6msg8w

2008-05-02 17:11:23
138.   Sam DC
It's all guessing, but I sort of wonder if the Martin thing might have happened like this:

"Russ, night off tonight."

"No way coach, I'm fine. Don't need a rest."

"Sorry, every catcher needs a night off once in a while. Stay ready, might need your bat late."

"Well, how about third base?"

2008-05-02 17:12:36
139.   Eric Enders
131 I do not know of such a list. Baseball America would be the most likely to have that somewhere, but I'm pretty sure they don't.

In case anyone was wondering, which I'm sure nobody was, there has never been a major league player who played at least 200 games at all four infield positions. There have been seven who played 100 games, though: Rollie Zeider, Don Money, Denis Menke, Mark Loretta, John Knight, Jimmie Dykes, Rich Aurilia.

2008-05-02 17:12:57
140.   Bob Timmermann
Nope, not Billy Goodman. His game at shortstop in 1950 was not on opening day. He was playing first base. Junior Stephens was playing short.
2008-05-02 17:13:27
141.   Jim Hitchcock
126 Where did he coach at...was it Leuzinger High School in Hawthorne? I think he only coached there a couple of years.
2008-05-02 17:14:13
142.   Eric Stephen
139
I was wondering.
2008-05-02 17:15:49
143.   Bob Timmermann
From the Detroit Free Press on 2/29/2008:

Guillen would become the first player since at least 1958 to make an Opening Day start at all four infield positions, according to Dave Smith of Retrosheet.org.

In other words, Dave Smith couldn't find it.

2008-05-02 17:16:38
144.   Eric Enders
Well, if Dave Smith couldn't find it, then I'm giving up.
2008-05-02 17:16:39
145.   bigcpa
141 I just watched Leuzinger play on Weds. They got pounded 10-0 at Peninsula.
2008-05-02 17:19:00
146.   Eric Enders
Honus Wagner, rather remarkably, played at least 35 games at seven of the nine positions. (He never caught, and only played pitcher twice. Slacker.)
2008-05-02 17:24:44
147.   Sam DC
Personal Vent:

Bought Lego shaped Eggo waffles, with an offer on the box to send away for a Lego Astro Fighter.

Ate waffles.

Had idyllic time with young son cutting out proof of purchase, writing the letter, and sending in the $1.95 for the Astro Fighter. Delivery in 6 to 8 weeks.

Young son asks every week if it has been 6 to 8 weeks.

It has now been 6 weeks. Received post card from Eggo waffle people saying that the promotion was so popular they have had to order more Astro Fighters. Delivery expected sometime after September 2008.

There Will Be Blood!

/Personal Vent

2008-05-02 17:25:06
148.   StolenMonkey86
So, will Martin make his first play as a third baseman tonight?
2008-05-02 17:26:28
149.   Jim Hitchcock
147 You...are...finished!
2008-05-02 17:26:33
150.   StolenMonkey86
147 - You should ask for a discount.
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2008-05-02 17:26:40
151.   El Lay Dave
I believe Thomas' particular peculiar spelling for his given name was "Derrel" with one "l". That may be the first name with the most homonyms in MLB:

Derrel Thomas
Darryl Strawberry
Darrell Evans
Darrel Chaney
Daryl Boston
Daryle Ward

2008-05-02 17:27:59
152.   El Lay Dave
147 They abandoned your boy! They abandoned your boy!
2008-05-02 17:30:45
153.   Andrew Shimmin
Championship round of the Bucs Dugout Worst GM Poll is up. Ed Wade vs. Brian Sabean. It doesn't look like it's going to be close.

http://tinyurl.com/4vdc4g

2008-05-02 17:31:51
154.   El Lay Dave
From Diamond Leung, Press-Enterprise Dodger blog:

Tony Abreu ran the bases at extended spring training, and after getting in some games there is expected to begin a rehabilitation assignment with Class AAA Las Vegas next week.

If (a big if) Abreu's rehab goes well, there is going to be a lot of decision-making from mid to late May. It's possible LaRoche, Nomar and Abreu will all be healthy and ready to go in that time.

2008-05-02 17:32:53
155.   GoBears
Congrats on the radio gig, Jon! It'll be nice to hear you in a long format, not just a 5-minute spot where you have to be so worried about being efficient. Really explore the room.

I need more cowbell.

2008-05-02 17:36:30
156.   Woden325
133 I'm a die-hard Rockies fan and I don't favor them to win tonight.
The injuries and the fact that the bullpen seems to hate Jeff Franchise make me suspect the Dodgers will win this one.
2008-05-02 17:38:31
157.   Gagne55
154 Which would likely result in LaRoche sending DeWitt to Vegas, Abreu sending Hu to Vegas and Nomar sending Sweeny to the ol' DFA.
2008-05-02 17:38:32
158.   Eric Enders
151 I think we've had this discussion before and reached the conclusion that Darryl was the name. Another spelling besides the ones you listed is Derrell Griffith. And Darold Knowles wants to know if he can play too.

Another name, however, is probably the champion among active players:

Derrick Turnbow
Derek Jeter
Derrek Lee
Daric Barton

2008-05-02 17:42:05
159.   Joe Pierre
If I would have seened this Line-up at any other time sooner, I would of, at least thought it was some kind of a prank.
But right now, tonight, I will respect any Line-up that Joe Torre makes out.
This is something that doesn't even need to be said, he's doing a fantastic job.
2008-05-02 17:45:14
160.   Gagne55
159 I still find it strange that Martin was forced to play third in an emergency situation (I never saw anything about the dodgers considering moving him back there at any stretch) and suddenly is considered a viable option there.
2008-05-02 17:47:03
161.   Andrew Shimmin
Brian Barton's got some hair.
2008-05-02 17:48:59
162.   El Lay Dave
158 Darold dismissed; 'd' dubbed da difference.
2008-05-02 17:50:39
163.   El Lay Dave
160 Martin must have been taking a lot of infield in drills, warmups and such lately?
2008-05-02 17:51:43
164.   Andrew Shimmin
The smartest manager in baseball just killed his inning with a delayed double steal attempt.

Oops.

2008-05-02 17:52:47
165.   LoneStar7
why not bat penny 7th lol?
2008-05-02 17:53:05
166.   overkill94
Ugh, it's almost 2 a.m. here but I really want to stay up for the Dodger game. Anyone have some Red Bull they can teleport to me?
2008-05-02 17:53:23
167.   El Lay Dave
I almost forgot, congratulations Jon on the radio gig. It will be good for the audience to hear some other viewpoints, like yours. Will you be referring to the team's most frequent RF as "The Bison™"?
2008-05-02 17:55:38
168.   overkill94
Screw it, time to hit up the mini-bar
2008-05-02 17:57:18
169.   Sam DC
Oops, a bank of lights at new Nats Park just died.

Actually a bunch all over.

2008-05-02 17:57:46
170.   Andrew Shimmin
Carlos Zambrano is PHing for Daryle Ward in the third inning. Wacky antics a-brewing in St. Louis tonight.

Zambrano singled.

2008-05-02 17:58:06
171.   El Lay Dave
Martin has at least played 3B as recently as 2002 rookie ball. As far as I can tell, Furcal has never played 3B in the majors or minors.
2008-05-02 17:58:30
172.   CanuckDodger
Did anybody forget that Kershaw was pitching in front of Colletti today? 6.2 IP, 6 H's, 1 R (Unearned), 1 BB, 5 K's.
2008-05-02 17:59:35
173.   overkill94
172 Ho-hum
2008-05-02 18:01:20
174.   Andrew Shimmin
170- Strike that. I stupidly listened to the play by play guy, instead of looking it up. He was PHing for Wuertz.
2008-05-02 18:02:02
175.   Bob Timmermann
Since when did Michael Wuertz turn into Daryle Ward?
2008-05-02 18:03:14
176.   Andrew Shimmin
175- Grouch.
2008-05-02 18:09:39
177.   Woden325
Sounds like a nasty night for a ballgame. 39 degrees, 31* windchill, lots of wind. Springtime in Colorado.
2008-05-02 18:09:42
178.   Marty
Just picked up a copy of Crazy 08. Seven pages in and it looks to be a fun read.
2008-05-02 18:13:34
179.   Bob Timmermann
Cait Murphy won an award at the SABR convention last year for best research presentation, although I was told that she mainly just read from her book.

Cait Murphy is a woman who needs to wear a lot of sunscreen.

2008-05-02 18:16:49
180.   Woden325
Mark TR Donohue put up a new post. He's not overly optimistic, for some reason.
2008-05-02 18:17:35
181.   El Lay Dave
Bob T., have you developed a mnemonic yet to help you spell the Rockies CF's name?
2008-05-02 18:19:12
182.   StolenMonkey86
I missed the first 10 minutes of the Office last night, so I just saw it on NBC.com. The reference was Tremendous.
2008-05-02 18:20:20
183.   Gen3Blue
Oh my God, I've got Vin. I forgot this is western division so it doesn't have to be LA. Just amazing.
2008-05-02 18:20:42
184.   scareduck
If Martin were catching, that would be an out.
2008-05-02 18:22:00
185.   LoneStar7
I know hes a good athlete, but for some reason I'm nervous just seeing Russell running around out there..and they're gonna run on Bennett all night aren't they..
2008-05-02 18:22:17
186.   El Lay Dave
Willy Taveras is already more than halfway to his 2007 walk total. 11 this year, 21 all last season (408 PA).
2008-05-02 18:26:17
187.   StolenMonkey86
184 - 8 innings at third this year, no action for Russell.
2008-05-02 18:27:58
188.   Andrew Shimmin
I didn't think the old man was going to make it.
2008-05-02 18:29:08
189.   Michael D
Nice triple for Mustachio
2008-05-02 18:30:29
190.   Bob Timmermann
181
Yes, my mnemonic is to just not mention him.
2008-05-02 18:31:20
191.   Gen3Blue
D4P,Jon, Marty and others. It certainly says something when you feel a need to play Martin at 3rd on his day off. I'm not sure what, but you sure have me thinking. Martin is so important that if he were a pitcher you would have to switch to outfield like Babe Ruth. But I think who ever mentioned it, there is Pierre politics involved. I have gradually fallen into the OBP school of baseball, and I think that to truly rest Martin you need to play Ethier and later LaRoche. These two players could be such an important part of an offense. I'm even thinking that a team like the D's may become in a year may be able to afford to, and benefit from batting Pierre(perhaps 8th).
2008-05-02 18:34:00
192.   overkill94
Bad sign that we can't cash in a leadoff triple
2008-05-02 18:34:21
193.   scareduck
172 - but can Colletti hit lefties?
2008-05-02 18:34:48
194.   Gen3Blue
192 I hope our luck hasn't turned.
2008-05-02 18:35:03
195.   MMSMikey
why is jones even playing, he doesnt have a chance up there, its getting really old watching him.
2008-05-02 18:36:34
196.   Andrew Shimmin
Nate Silver has Tony Abreu as the seventh best second baseman under 25.

http://baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=7458 ($ubscription required)

2008-05-02 18:38:29
197.   Gen3Blue
As much as I am concerned when Jones smiles when he does something dumb at the plate, I don't think I have seen him make a bad step in center, and that's amazing.
2008-05-02 18:38:52
198.   LoneStar7
whoever commented on how bad Bennett's throw back to the mound is, was absolutely correct. Its really bugging me..
2008-05-02 18:40:38
199.   Woden325
Penny seems to be havin' some problems.
2008-05-02 18:40:54
200.   Gen3Blue
196 I doubt he'll play there for the Dodgers, while
They have Hu
Furcal is doing so well
Boras is his agent.
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2008-05-02 18:43:35
201.   Bob Timmermann
Penny is angry, cold, and wondering why the Dodgers couldn't get Kent home from third.

And I'm betting Eliza Dushku isn't at the game.

2008-05-02 18:44:11
202.   Andrew Shimmin
That's got to be him as start at shortstop some time this year.
2008-05-02 18:44:39
203.   Linkmeister
Nicely done, young Martin.
2008-05-02 18:44:43
204.   Woden325
Nice play by Martin, though.
2008-05-02 18:45:00
205.   madmac
sounds like our new 3rd baseman is looking pretty good
2008-05-02 18:46:57
206.   NorCal-Dodger
201 Maybe he's got Eliza on his mind and not on pitching.
2008-05-02 18:46:57
207.   Gen3Blue
Well at least we have Penny coming up.
2008-05-02 18:48:02
208.   El Lay Dave
Did Martin have to charge? Go right/left? I know that Taveras is very speedy.
2008-05-02 18:49:43
209.   Andrew Shimmin
208- It was hit right at him, but hit hard and he was playing in.
2008-05-02 18:49:52
210.   Woden325
201 Probably a good bet. I've never seen any famous people in the stands (other than St. John of Elway during the NLCS).
2008-05-02 18:50:07
211.   Gen3Blue
Penny almost got that one.
2008-05-02 18:51:50
212.   El Lay Dave
209 Thanks.

So if there is a DT softball game / picnic in the future, would it be a family event? Would Rules 1, 5 and 9 be in force?

2008-05-02 18:52:01
213.   Bob Timmermann
210
Dead to me (football edition):
John Elway

But it goes back to the 1970s. I was in at the ground level!

2008-05-02 18:52:20
214.   JoeyP
Cubs may have just lost Aramis Ramirez for awhile...
2008-05-02 18:53:16
215.   Gen3Blue
Might as well try and run Havoc now.
2008-05-02 18:53:32
216.   Andrew Shimmin
212- I'd bet the picnic would be family-friendly. But not the after party; Nate's arranging the entertainment for that.
2008-05-02 18:53:44
217.   Woden325
213 He's dead to my dad, too. Still holds a grudge for him not playing for the Colts.
2008-05-02 18:53:47
218.   Bob Timmermann
RIP?
Robert Vesco.
http://tinyurl.com/5uumqv
2008-05-02 18:54:33
219.   LoneStar7
alright come on Bison
2008-05-02 18:55:58
220.   Linkmeister
218 Cuban authorities say he's a "non-issue."

Jeepers, that's dismissive.

2008-05-02 18:56:53
221.   Hallux Valgus
210 Carmelo was in a suite during the WS. And I sat behind Anna Nicole Smith for the Home Run contest and George Brett for the All Star game. But those games probably don't count. And Pete Coors can often be spotted in the front row behind the dugout, section 125, but I don't know if he counts as famous.
2008-05-02 18:57:23
222.   LoneStar7
dang nabbit
2008-05-02 19:03:36
223.   Woden325
204 the video just popped up on gameday, that was a particularly nice play.
2008-05-02 19:03:36
224.   LAT
Just stopping in for a second, but has Vin explained why Martin is playing 3B.
2008-05-02 19:04:26
225.   Andrew Shimmin
On the bright side, I bet hitting a ball that hard when it's so cold hurts, at least a little.
2008-05-02 19:04:53
226.   Marty
212 If it happens, I'm bringing my dogs.
2008-05-02 19:19:13
227.   LoneStar7
wow what a play by martin at third, the guy is a stud
2008-05-02 19:19:16
228.   natepurcell
Kershaw has a 3.06 bb/9ip on the season so far.

nice!

2008-05-02 19:19:40
229.   Marty
I killed the thread. OK, I won't bring the dogs.
2008-05-02 19:19:47
230.   Andrew Shimmin
I wonder what kind of odds I could get on Martin's winning a gold glove at third.
2008-05-02 19:20:57
231.   natepurcell
Has anyone ever won a GG at catcher AND third base?
2008-05-02 19:23:19
232.   Gen3Blue
On the one bright spot tonight, don't I recall Torre knew something about catchers playing third base?
2008-05-02 19:23:28
233.   Hallux Valgus
230 I'll give you 90-1 right now. Caveats include- this year only, must bet at least $100.
2008-05-02 19:23:46
234.   MMSMikey
this is getting ridiculos, he hasnt made 1 adjustment at the plate. its offically to the point where pierre needs to be playing everyday.
2008-05-02 19:24:20
235.   Hallux Valgus
232 Todd Zeile is also available.
2008-05-02 19:25:32
236.   overkill94
I'm going to bed if things don't turn around quick. Being up at 3:30 doesn't have the same ring to it when you're tracking a team with no chance to win.
2008-05-02 19:25:49
237.   JoeyP
Gary Bennett Principle?
2008-05-02 19:27:05
238.   CrispusAttucks
Does Bills become our best starter this year?
2008-05-02 19:27:12
239.   Hallux Valgus
236 I see no fault. I'm ready to go to bed, and it's not yet 7:30. I'm just super lazy.
2008-05-02 19:29:20
240.   JoeyP
Atlanta is wearing out the Boston Celtics.
2008-05-02 19:29:50
241.   Reddog
I wonder if we could sell Andruw Jones to Atlanta for $36 million?
2008-05-02 19:29:57
242.   overkill94
4 baserunners in 5 innings in Colorado against a mediocre pitcher? Come on boys.
2008-05-02 19:31:13
243.   CodyS
234 AJ certainly seems to be having the same AB over and over again. You'd think he would do something different after 100 bad results.
2008-05-02 19:32:38
244.   CrispusAttucks
Well, they did take Mike Hampton off the Rockies' hands...
2008-05-02 19:33:12
245.   natepurcell
Russell Martin owns my life.
2008-05-02 19:37:03
246.   Woden325
244 For which we are duly grateful.
2008-05-02 19:37:48
247.   Hallux Valgus
244 That was a great deal for the Rox (not the signing. Or Denny.)
2008-05-02 19:39:36
248.   Gen3Blue
I think Torre may realize we are missing Ethier somewhere near the middle of the order.

235 I was always intrigued by a team with Zeale, Biggio and someone like Torre at first. I just coudn't figure a catcher who could play SS, but there must be one.

2008-05-02 19:40:29
249.   NorCal-Dodger
Be nice to see Penny lower his pitch count and stretch his outtings to at least the 7th innings. Be nicer if we can score some runs tonite
2008-05-02 19:40:29
250.   MMSMikey
hate to say it, but pierre really needs to be playing over jones, at least he can put the ball in play.
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2008-05-02 19:41:31
251.   LeeLacy
The Robot Made of Nails breaks up the shutout.
2008-05-02 19:41:42
252.   Gen3Blue
Funny, I mention we need Ethier, but Pierre is doing OK again tonight. Unfortunately, it is Jones we don't need tonight.
2008-05-02 19:41:44
253.   Hallux Valgus
246 Rotation! Jason Phillips is your "like Torre" at first. (ducks)
2008-05-02 19:41:48
254.   Bob Timmermann
If the Hawks win tonight and the Celtics win Game 7, can there actually be a playoff series in the NBA that, in the mind of Doug Collins, has never started?

This is an existential crisis.

2008-05-02 19:41:55
255.   das411
PAT BURRELLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!
2008-05-02 19:41:58
256.   Ken Noe
Bison has had quite a week.
2008-05-02 19:42:36
257.   LeeLacy
252 It's amazing that it has come to this, but I agree that that may be the best option right now.
2008-05-02 19:44:14
258.   regfairfield
250 No you don't, you said it 16 posts earlier.
2008-05-02 19:44:26
259.   Hallux Valgus
that should have been 248 , although I have no objection to 246 .
2008-05-02 19:44:43
260.   NorCal-Dodger
If we had the DH rule, we can have Pierre DH for Jones.
2008-05-02 19:44:45
261.   overkill94
I need at least an RBI single from Golden God here to keep me awake...
2008-05-02 19:45:53
262.   Ghost of Carlos Perez
My wife and I are having a girl soon, and we're planning on naming her Meili (pronounced may-lee). My wife would like to use Antoinette for a middle name (after her great grandmother).

I'm a bit apprehensive about the name combination. Any thoughts?

2008-05-02 19:46:10
263.   NorCal-Dodger
Time for Loney to bust out.
2008-05-02 19:46:20
264.   Hallux Valgus
257 Would Young/ Kemp/ Ethier be so scary?
2008-05-02 19:46:39
265.   Gen3Blue
253 Was that for me 248? anyway who's at SS.
2008-05-02 19:46:57
266.   Andrew Shimmin
Lets have a moment of appreciation for the Bison, right now. Matt Kemp has been on base for about five minutes now, and hasn't gotten himself in a run down.
2008-05-02 19:47:03
267.   overkill94
262 To be honest, not a big fan of either name
2008-05-02 19:47:16
268.   elandcohen
jones is gonna come up big in this inning
2008-05-02 19:48:55
269.   Bob Timmermann
262
Middle names are rarely used in combos with the first name. Unless you think your daughter is going to be a future member of SAG.

I hope you and your wife have a beautiful and healthy girl: Meili Antoinette Ghost of Carlos Perez.

2008-05-02 19:49:18
270.   Andrew Shimmin
262- Is the first name in honor of the Central Park jogger, or Thor's brother?
2008-05-02 19:49:38
271.   elandcohen
Kemp is like Vince Coleman this week. i think that's 5 steals for the week
2008-05-02 19:50:09
272.   MMSMikey
sigh...
2008-05-02 19:50:18
273.   Ken Noe
269 Unless the Ghost haunts the south, where our middle names matter.
2008-05-02 19:50:26
274.   overkill94
How easy is it to replace mini-bar stuff if it's the exact same as what you took out? Not sure if I'll be able to find some airplane shooters of vodka, but these Red Bulls look pretty standard.
2008-05-02 19:50:47
275.   LeeLacy
Bases juiced. Time to pinch-hit for Andruw.
2008-05-02 19:51:01
276.   natepurcell
PH with Ethier, do it Joe!
2008-05-02 19:51:03
277.   elandcohen
Hawks/celts game down 2 the wire
2008-05-02 19:51:10
278.   overkill94
272 Sigh as in double play?
2008-05-02 19:52:22
279.   Andrew Shimmin
278- Nope, he walked. The sigh was about the batter coming to the plate.
2008-05-02 19:52:40
280.   Bob Timmermann
274
Don't violate the spirit of the minibar!
2008-05-02 19:52:52
281.   elandcohen
if torre pinch hits 4 Jones, what little confidence Jones has in gone
2008-05-02 19:53:49
282.   Hallux Valgus
274 Any hotel will quickly replace whatever you want, as long as you're willing to completely over pay for the privilege.
2008-05-02 19:54:08
283.   MMSMikey
can jones hit the ball hard enough to hit into a dp? or is he fat enough he cant get down the line?
2008-05-02 19:54:16
284.   Andrew Shimmin
274- It might be easier to stage a burglary in the room, and then refuse to pay for what the "robber" took.
2008-05-02 19:54:42
285.   LeeLacy
262 I like the name Meili. Antoinette might be a little trickier. I'm just thinking about the comments that might be made each time the cake comes out at her birthday parties.
2008-05-02 19:55:17
286.   Hallux Valgus
jeez. Andruw Jones looks more horrible in slow motion.
2008-05-02 19:55:19
287.   Ken Noe
Well, at least he didn't GIDP.
2008-05-02 19:55:45
288.   LeeLacy
Jones is beyond pathetic right now.
2008-05-02 19:55:59
289.   overkill94
Normally min-bar stuff is hard to replace due to being uniquely shaped, but these Red Bulls seem to be very normal. Paying 6.50 pounds for the two of them doesn't seem to be enticing to me.
2008-05-02 19:56:06
290.   bablue
Druw just doesn't get it. Takes two fastball strikes and then swings at a breaking ball at shoe level. Unwatchable.
2008-05-02 19:56:32
291.   Zach the Ripper
Wow, Ned. Just.....wow.
2008-05-02 19:56:48
292.   elandcohen
why not EIther instead of Sweeney?
2008-05-02 19:57:13
293.   bablue
If Sweeney gets a hit, I'll be shocked.
2008-05-02 19:57:20
294.   MMSMikey
why not ethier instead of jones?
2008-05-02 19:57:20
295.   overkill94
I can't believe I was so in favor of the Andruw signing
2008-05-02 19:57:50
296.   Hallux Valgus
I wish I could get paid $18 million for being bad at my job. I'm bad at my job now, but I get paid jack squat.
2008-05-02 19:58:49
297.   bablue
I'll take it!!!! Now you gotta put Ethier in right?
2008-05-02 19:59:02
298.   Neal Pollack
Nice to see a professional hitter at work.
2008-05-02 19:59:17
299.   elandcohen
Guys, relax it's only a month in. if Jones is this bad after the 1st week of July, well then the dodgers are in trouble
2008-05-02 19:59:26
300.   NorCal-Dodger
Sweeney with the clutch bases loaded 2 out walk!
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2008-05-02 19:59:31
301.   Dark Horse
Watching Jones hit--certainly not the right word--is astonishing. Colletti's mistakes to this point are well-documented, but it's doubtful Jones will hit .200 this year, and it'll be shameful if this doesn't cost Ned his job.
2008-05-02 20:00:22
302.   Hallux Valgus
Joe Torre's hat looks like he just bought it. It doesn't fit his head.
2008-05-02 20:00:35
303.   natepurcell
To be fair to Colletti, I would have signed Jones to the same type of contract.
2008-05-02 20:00:43
304.   Hallux Valgus
and now we're tied.
2008-05-02 20:00:58
305.   NorCal-Dodger
The Solution is turning into The Answer!
2008-05-02 20:01:03
306.   bluedog
Blake Dewitt you are the man!
2008-05-02 20:01:12
307.   elandcohen
Jones did come up big. by not grounding into a double play, he allowed the rally to continue. Just kidding
2008-05-02 20:01:12
308.   Zach the Ripper
Anyone who says a strikeout isn't any worse then any other type of out, clearly has never seen AJ strikeout.
I also canno't believe I was in favor of signing the round mound of whiff sounds.
Just pathetic.
2008-05-02 20:01:14
309.   LogikReader
THE SOLUTION!!!!!!!!!!!

YEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSS!!

2008-05-02 20:01:18
310.   LeeLacy
The Solution comes through! Dodgers now up, 4-3.
2008-05-02 20:01:21
311.   Woden325
Like I said earlier. The bullpen hates Jeff Francis. He's getting another no-decision.
2008-05-02 20:01:30
312.   natepurcell
Dewitt and Sweeney picks up Druw. Nice job guys.
2008-05-02 20:01:34
313.   overkill94
304 You mean ahead?
2008-05-02 20:02:33
314.   Brent Knapp
Can Dewitt play any outfield to replace Kemp/Pierre once LaRoche gets back?
2008-05-02 20:02:39
315.   elandcohen
in this case a strikeout was much better then a groundball out, as any groundball likely would have meant a dp
2008-05-02 20:02:43
316.   neuroboy002
Away from my computer, I just read on Gameday that Andruw struck out with the bases load. Good Lord what will it take to get him to snap out of it?

Perhaps DeWitt needs to hold his own hitting clinic. He is The Solution!

2008-05-02 20:03:11
317.   PalmdaleSteve1
And in other news...Andruw strikes out....AGAIN.

There goes 38 Million down the gurgler.

2008-05-02 20:03:14
318.   Bob Timmermann
People don't think Jones will crack .200 if he plays a full season?

That's a grim assessment. There have been just 10 players with 502 or more PAs in a season to not crack .200 for the season. One guy did it twice!

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/shareit/xVgF

2008-05-02 20:03:15
319.   Andrew Shimmin
311- This inning is nearly over, though--Juan Pierre is on deck.
2008-05-02 20:03:23
320.   Hallux Valgus
313 yes, NOW
2008-05-02 20:03:30
321.   Sam DC
Impressed Torre hit for Penny who'd only thrown 79 pitches there.
2008-05-02 20:04:36
322.   Andrew Shimmin
If I ever have a kid, I'm calling it Gochnauer. Boy or girl.
2008-05-02 20:04:56
323.   Sam PHL
Nice Inning!!!!
2008-05-02 20:04:57
324.   bablue
Raffy!!!!!!!!! Huge Swing!!!!
2008-05-02 20:05:00
325.   elandcohen
Colletti better sign Furcal yesterday
2008-05-02 20:05:10
326.   Hallux Valgus
god I love Furcal. That went far.
2008-05-02 20:05:11
327.   LogikReader
LUCKY SEVEN BABY!!! Furcal is the MAAAAAN (too)
2008-05-02 20:05:23
328.   NorCal-Dodger
I think Ned needs to resign Ferkel and redeem himself.
2008-05-02 20:05:25
329.   JoeyP
The 2-out hitting has been unreal during this streak.
2008-05-02 20:05:27
330.   Sam DC
Isringhausen gives up two in the top ninth -- tied 3-3.
2008-05-02 20:05:42
331.   madmac
woohoo!
2008-05-02 20:05:43
332.   Andrew Shimmin
I didn't know Sweeney was bald.
2008-05-02 20:05:57
333.   Zach the Ripper
Way to kill the rally, Raffy!!!!
2008-05-02 20:06:14
334.   LeeLacy
In my best Constanza voice, I'm screaming out, "SEVEN! SEVEN!"
2008-05-02 20:06:28
335.   Bob Timmermann
I think we should appreciate more that John Gochnauer managed to bat .185 AND make 98 errors in the same season.
2008-05-02 20:06:48
336.   nick
give Furcal Jones's $--give him all of it!
2008-05-02 20:07:22
337.   madmac
just walked in. how much of this 7 was with 2 outs? seems like all of these recent explosions have come with 2 outs
2008-05-02 20:07:40
338.   dodgerstang
Steiner and Monday are killing Clint Hurdle right now .
2008-05-02 20:07:44
339.   Bob Timmermann
330
But he's the closer on my fantasy team!

Or one of them. I should really pay attention more. I know I'm doing better than Sam, who is taking personnel tips from Arnold Rothstein.

2008-05-02 20:08:05
340.   overkill94
The heck is slowing Yahoo down? Still has Raffy at-bat for me.
2008-05-02 20:08:22
341.   fanerman
w00t
2008-05-02 20:08:24
342.   Bob Timmermann
337
Six of the seven runs have come with two outs. Pierre led off with a single and Kemp doubled.

Then it got worse.

2008-05-02 20:08:40
343.   elandcohen
Instead of re-signing Furcal when he should, ned will allow him to become a free agent. ned will get into a bidding war for Furcal's services. resign him now or pay alot more later. when we do lose Furcal Ned & Mccourt will try to convince us that it's because Hu is ready
2008-05-02 20:08:54
344.   NorCal-Dodger
337 6
2008-05-02 20:08:59
345.   Gen3Blue
I'm really sad about this. But Jones is killing the Dodgers right now. It has to be Pierre, Kemp and Ethier right now. I can't concieve what has happened to Jones now at the age of 31, but it is not pretty.
But it is also somewhat disturbing that Furcal is our power hitter. I'm not worried because in the hot weather I think Loney, Kemp and Ethier will start to hit with power, as well as LaRoche if he is ever healthy. They may even catch up with Martin!
2008-05-02 20:09:35
346.   PalmdaleSteve1
338

Vinnie is pretty good on the TV, XM only has the Colorado 'casters and I'd rather listen to Vinnie anyway.

2008-05-02 20:09:50
347.   dodgerstang
332 - I've been to a couple of games above the Dodger dugout in the reserve this year and noticed Sweeney gleaming bald head both times. He's more bald than any of the coaches I think (don't know if they wear rugs though)
2008-05-02 20:10:40
348.   overkill94
Come on Cubbies, Howry needs a win!
2008-05-02 20:11:09
349.   PalmdaleSteve1
345

Anyone read the SI piece (I think there, maybe FOX) that was dropping hints that Andruw seems to have dropped off on his performance when MLB testing got tougher?

2008-05-02 20:11:31
350.   dodgerstang
338

"Vinnie is pretty good on the TV..."

yeah, i guess he's alright

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2008-05-02 20:11:37
351.   Andrew Shimmin
345- The Dodgers have won six (and now maybe seven) games in a row. Nobody's killing them. They're not even mostly dead.
2008-05-02 20:12:08
352.   madmac
342 344 thanks
2008-05-02 20:12:49
353.   LeeLacy
This is the seventh time in the last 10 games in which the Dodgers have scored at least 7 runs.

The offense is clicking nicely these days--one overpaid, overweight outfielder notwithstanding.

2008-05-02 20:13:34
354.   MMSMikey
i like this wade kid, hes agressive on the mound and throws strikes.
2008-05-02 20:13:43
355.   NorCal-Dodger
Guess Martin played at least 8 innings worth of 3B. Guess that equates to a game rest from C.
2008-05-02 20:14:04
356.   Bob Timmermann
I guess nobody here is going to be penning a weepy Thomas Oliphant type book called "Praying for Andruw Jones."
2008-05-02 20:14:30
357.   Ken Noe
Let's go Mets. Let's go Mets.
2008-05-02 20:14:52
358.   Sam DC
"Boy the Cardinal fans letting Isringhausen have it . . . 3-3 in the ninth."

The best fans in baseball?

2008-05-02 20:15:26
359.   overkill94
356 There's more than one Olyphant?
2008-05-02 20:15:47
360.   Bob Timmermann
349
Andruw Jones's problems don't look to be the fault of chemicals. His swing just looks messed up. Really messed up. And I know almost, but not quite, entirely nothing about what it takes to be a successful hitter in the majors.
2008-05-02 20:16:59
361.   Zach the Ripper
I'm sure this has been hypothesized here before, but how do we really know AJ isn't 31, but actually say, 34. That would help to explain his dominance at an early age.
2008-05-02 20:17:22
362.   Bob Timmermann
359
Doris Kearns Goodwin gives it her seal of approval!
http://tinyurl.com/3qp4wm

Nothing better than a memoir of the Brooklyn Dodgers endorsed by a woman who made up large portions of her memoir involving the Brooklyn Dodgers.

2008-05-02 20:17:27
363.   fanerman
349 Andruw's problems seem to involve hitting the ball and not hitting the ball far.
2008-05-02 20:17:51
364.   overkill94
349 I dunno, he had a pretty dang good year in 2006 when drug testing was already in place
2008-05-02 20:18:16
365.   Gen3Blue
Cory Wade has a history of "command and control" and I figure he may get pasted some time, but I would rather watch him than some of these "major leaguers" who can't seem to get it over the plate.
2008-05-02 20:18:22
366.   PalmdaleSteve1
361

I think it's too many 'Tats...never could stand the idea of getting one, don't like needles...LOL.

2008-05-02 20:18:47
367.   Bob Timmermann
358
Hey, you're stealing my act!
2008-05-02 20:19:13
368.   Alex41592
Orlando Hudson just left the game with an injury
2008-05-02 20:19:14
369.   NorCal-Dodger
Think it was noted last year, that JOnes would not follow the advice from ATl's Hitting Coach and would rather work it out himself, wondering if he is taking in any input from Easler or Mattingly? Obviously not.
2008-05-02 20:19:15
370.   Ken Noe
I saw Steve Blass pitch in the minors after his baffling loss of control. Jones flailing at that low-and-away pitch somehow reminds me of Steve Blass.
2008-05-02 20:19:45
371.   PalmdaleSteve1
Baltimore is beating up on the Halos a bit, 3 to 1.
2008-05-02 20:19:56
372.   Woden325
The Rockies have crushed my spirit, again. I'm going to go read Patrick O'Brien.
2008-05-02 20:20:54
373.   fanerman
369 He tried opening his stance for a game or something, so he doesn't seem completely stubborn.
2008-05-02 20:21:22
374.   Gen3Blue
Who's pitching--Bear Gryllis?
2008-05-02 20:21:36
375.   NorCal-Dodger
372 To cheer yourself up, can have Pat O' Brien leave you voice msg's on your recorder.
2008-05-02 20:21:40
376.   Jon Weisman
http://tinyurl.com/6dpdk3

"Guys on other teams think I'm crazy, but to me, I can play there easy," Martin said. "I haven't gotten any balls yet, but I hope I get a couple backhand plays. That would be sweet. People have never seen me there, but I know what I can do. I'm looking forward to it just to prove to people I can play third."

2008-05-02 20:22:46
377.   Gen3Blue
He has a Titanium screw in his elbow. Is that radioactive-- is that legal-- is that steroidal?
2008-05-02 20:23:52
378.   Gen3Blue
Is that Jeff Kent. I always liked his hitting.
2008-05-02 20:24:01
379.   Bob Timmermann
Titanium is not radioactive.
2008-05-02 20:24:09
380.   Sam DC
367 It was an homage.
2008-05-02 20:24:35
381.   LeeLacy
Nice dying quail single by Kent.
2008-05-02 20:24:41
382.   Gen3Blue
Run Hu for Kent.
2008-05-02 20:25:43
383.   Andrew Shimmin
Somebody's been messing with Gurnick's calender. Unless today really is Monday.
2008-05-02 20:25:46
384.   Gen3Blue
Hu would've scored. Only kidding. I think.
2008-05-02 20:27:20
385.   Ken Noe
Kent motoring into third looks like a guy chasing kids out of his yard.
2008-05-02 20:28:21
386.   Andrew Shimmin
385- While pulling a wheelbarrow full of cinder blocks.
2008-05-02 20:28:34
387.   LeeLacy
Crazy Eyes AKA Lonestar AKA Nickname-less One grounds into an inning-ending double play.
2008-05-02 20:28:54
388.   Zach the Ripper
Darn you Loney! How dare you deprive us of another Jones strikeout with runners on.
2008-05-02 20:30:02
389.   Bob Timmermann
380
In that case, I'm deeply honored.
2008-05-02 20:30:44
390.   NorCal-Dodger
Loney seems afflicted with Jonsesitis since his hot start.
2008-05-02 20:31:17
391.   PalmdaleSteve1
Joe needs to sit Andruw for a week or something, just let him get his head out of where ever it is right now, he is not getting any better at the plate.
2008-05-02 20:32:09
392.   Andrew Shimmin
390- Better hope Canuck is gone. . .
2008-05-02 20:34:04
393.   MMSMikey
brutal.
2008-05-02 20:34:23
394.   bablue
C'mon Dewitt! You're letting back into the game all by yourself...
2008-05-02 20:34:23
395.   NorCal-Dodger
391 2 weeks of assignment in Vegas might help.
2008-05-02 20:34:51
396.   Andrew Shimmin
393- Well, it's unfortunate. But it's also hilarious.
2008-05-02 20:34:54
397.   Ken Noe
"Darn," said LaRoche, feigning disappointment.
2008-05-02 20:35:45
398.   bablue
Corey Wade does not have an out pitch. I don't know how he's gonna strike anyone out.
2008-05-02 20:36:58
399.   overkill94
Wow, DeWitt seems cursed after all that praise heaped upon him for his league-leading fielding percentage. I'm guessing he'll fall into the bottom half after his three errors over the last couple days.
2008-05-02 20:37:32
400.   MMSMikey
unbelievable.
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2008-05-02 20:38:08
401.   bablue
I'm sorry, but I'm just not gettig this Dewitt love. I know he had the hit earlier, but he better not get any time over Laroche.
2008-05-02 20:38:50
402.   NorCal-Dodger
Is Broxton available for tonight?
2008-05-02 20:39:52
403.   overkill94
402 Last report I saw said Friday or Saturday, so I'm thinking it's up to him
2008-05-02 20:40:02
404.   Bob Timmermann
DeWitt's fielding percentage has dropped from .973 to .948 this inning.
2008-05-02 20:40:38
405.   bablue
Torre, please take Wade out. He is not a good reliever and its a close game. Thank you.
2008-05-02 20:40:52
406.   oshea2002
Wade deserved better then that.
2008-05-02 20:42:54
407.   silverwidow
It's not all Wade's fault. You can thank the 3rd baseman who quickly went from underrated to incredibly overrated over the past month.
2008-05-02 20:43:01
408.   overkill94
Who's coming in now?
2008-05-02 20:43:52
409.   Andrew Shimmin
Can I get 90:1 odds on whether Biemel balking home a run this inning?
2008-05-02 20:44:08
410.   ucladodger
405

Right, because he pitched so poorly in inducing 5 straight outs. If Dewitt even fields the second one cleanly its a DP and the inning is basically over. Blake was terrible that inning, and Wade's performance doesn't warrant any criticism.

2008-05-02 20:45:06
411.   overkill94
double play double play double play double play
2008-05-02 20:45:30
412.   oshea2002
I about had a heart attack when Vinny said Chan Ho was warming up.
2008-05-02 20:45:38
413.   Sam DC
ET is on TV Land in these parts.

Not seen that in probably 25 years.

2008-05-02 20:46:47
414.   overkill94
413 You know, I put it on my Blockbuster Online queue but haven't gotten around to seeing it again yet. I think I was 7 or 8 when I saw it the first time, but I remember loving it.
2008-05-02 20:46:58
415.   oshea2002
Hitting Taveras was bad, but this is all on DeWitt.
2008-05-02 20:47:53
416.   Bob Timmermann
This has to be one of the orneriest crowds here for a game that the Dodgers have been winning.

Now if the Rockies tie the game, I can understand the anger.
If Nomar had made the errors, no one would have said anything about Wade. It would have been "Dump on Nomar" hour.

Tonight seems to be a night of setting straw men on fire.

2008-05-02 20:49:34
417.   Andrew Shimmin
416- Personally, I blame Gary Bennett for this inning.

He knows why.

2008-05-02 20:49:55
418.   Marty
We could use the Bull tonight.
2008-05-02 20:49:58
419.   bablue
410,

I'm not saying he was necessarily bad tonight, but just watch him pitch. You can't honestly watch him and think he'll be anything good. He tops out at 89 and has no good offspeed pitches.

2008-05-02 20:50:00
420.   Bob Timmermann
417
That makes a lot more sense.
2008-05-02 20:50:11
421.   overkill94
I've supposedly spent 20 pounds on mini-bar vodka-Red Bulls to stay awake for this game - I demand excellence!
2008-05-02 20:50:38
422.   Jon Weisman
416 - Even if the Rockies take the lead, I feel the bitterness excessive.
2008-05-02 20:51:18
423.   silverwidow
If this gets LaRoche up here quicker, then maybe it's a good thing.
2008-05-02 20:51:24
424.   Sam DC
409 Odds just dropped!
2008-05-02 20:51:53
425.   Marty
I've never used vodka in an attempt to stay awake.
2008-05-02 20:52:39
426.   MMSMikey
how do you not go home on that?
2008-05-02 20:52:45
427.   Sam DC
ET is at the very sad near-end part.

It's hard to watch!

2008-05-02 20:53:05
428.   natepurcell
why didnt dewitt go home with it?
2008-05-02 20:53:14
429.   oshea2002
He had him by a mile at home?????
2008-05-02 20:53:16
430.   ucladodger
419

Ya, i watched him pitch and saw him get 5 straight outs. No, he's not Broxton and wont dominate with his fastball, but he throws strikes and doesnt beat himself. He's been successful so far, so there's no reason to be overly critical of him.

Man, that was a slowly executed attempted DP.

2008-05-02 20:53:30
431.   overkill94
At least all the runs this inning are unearned now!
2008-05-02 20:54:26
432.   bablue
Shouldn't Dewitt have thrown home there? Not blaming him as he could have been instructed from the dugout but it seems like there would have been just as good a chance at a DP.
2008-05-02 20:54:30
433.   Jon Weisman
If Holliday, who forced Baker, scores on a hit, I think this would be one of those innings where the team runs would all be unearned, but Beimel would be charged with an individual earned run.
2008-05-02 20:54:52
434.   oshea2002
DeWitt is having about as a bad an inning as you can have defensively, 2 errors and a mental error. A soft hit ball he had to charge with the runner on 3rd getting a bad start - no brainer.
2008-05-02 20:55:34
435.   oshea2002
Wow - great play by Raffy to get that throw off - wow
2008-05-02 20:55:40
436.   Jon Weisman
Another big play for Furcal to turn it. He might have gotten a Holliday helmet to the whoozies.
2008-05-02 20:55:47
437.   ucladodger
What a tremendous turn by Raffy. He is amazing.
2008-05-02 20:55:49
438.   overkill94
433 True, but I'm more worried about the team ERA
2008-05-02 20:56:17
439.   overkill94
Troy from West Virginia is totally stoked right now!
2008-05-02 20:56:37
440.   NorCal-Dodger
Ok, this only means, Sammy has to earn another save!
2008-05-02 20:56:37
441.   MMSMikey
lets get some of those runs back.
2008-05-02 20:57:00
442.   Zach the Ripper
Furcal again to the rescue. 4 years, 60 mil. Period.
2008-05-02 20:57:18
443.   Jon Weisman
DeWitt had a bad inning. He's a AA kid in the majors and after a month, he's finally had one. I think it can be considered sufficiently acknowledged.

I want LaRoche as much as anyone, but this kind of piling on is exactly what rule 8 on the sidebar is designed for.

2008-05-02 20:57:19
444.   Ken Noe
Meanwhile, Snakes down 7-2 to the Mets in the seventh.
2008-05-02 20:57:23
445.   bablue
Yes!!!! Nice play there!!!

430,
Maybe I'm sounding overly critical but I can't really take much out of such a small sample size, especially when no one has scouting reports on Wade. I'll give you he has shown good control, but it just seems like he has journeyman stuff to me. Is that a fair evaluation?

2008-05-02 20:57:46
446.   overkill94
These last two innings call for more mini-bar action! (don't tell my boss)
2008-05-02 20:58:06
447.   Jon Weisman
438 - Actually, I wrote my comment before I saw yours. I just think that's an interesting quirk in the rules.
2008-05-02 20:58:23
448.   silverwidow
Hopefully we don't have to see anymore "best glove since Beltre" garbage. Especially considering how great LaRoche was last September with the glove.
2008-05-02 20:58:24
449.   Sam DC
I'm getting the sense that gameday was not adequate to the last play.

Cards win in 11.

Times is running a leak that Kobe wins the MVP.

2008-05-02 20:59:03
450.   68elcamino427
The legend that is "Joe Beimel".

Hey Joe!

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2008-05-02 20:59:37
451.   bablue
Finally a good AB for Druw!!! Hopefully he can build off that. He finally swung at a fastball and made contact! :)
2008-05-02 20:59:44
452.   Bob Timmermann
449
Those leaks about NBA awards are never wrong. Especially since it's the NBA that's doing the leaking most likely.
2008-05-02 20:59:53
453.   NorCal-Dodger
Jonessss!!
2008-05-02 20:59:58
454.   Nagman
Now we're just seeing freaky stuff... consecutive errors by Dewitt and Jones makes contact.
2008-05-02 21:00:12
455.   Greg Brock
DeWitt! What are you doing????

I have no clue, actually. I just got home from tutoring/school function. Come on, Blake, do that thing better than you just did it, whatever it was!

/Wants to fit in.

2008-05-02 21:00:25
456.   ucladodger
445

I cant disagree with that, it was just poorly timed. He pitched really well tonight, wasnt helped by the defense, and then i see a comment about how the guy who pitched well shouldnt be pitching. Just struck a nerve with me.

2008-05-02 21:01:01
457.   Bob Timmermann
There is an orange alert for Jose Reyes in Arizona.

He actually has two triples among his four hits.

2008-05-02 21:01:26
458.   MMSMikey
this is a big run, get him on, get him over, get him in.
2008-05-02 21:02:25
459.   Travis08
457 Reyes actually tried to stretch his second triple (high off the center field fence) into a homer, but was thrown out at home by 15 feet.
2008-05-02 21:02:29
460.   Bob Timmermann
Reyes was actually thrown out at home for a potential cycle.
2008-05-02 21:02:40
461.   overkill94
447 Makes sense when you think about it. Why should the reliever be bailed out if the error had nothing to do with him?
2008-05-02 21:03:14
462.   Alex41592
Do you bunt with DeWitt and Furcal on deck?
2008-05-02 21:03:15
463.   natepurcell
dont let him bunt.
2008-05-02 21:03:30
464.   natepurcell
Let Blake atone!
2008-05-02 21:03:43
465.   LeeLacy
DeWitt needs to redeem himself here.
2008-05-02 21:03:49
466.   overkill94
Ugh, why does our rally have to be against Corpas - one of my big bargains going into the year at $10 in my NL-only league?
2008-05-02 21:04:56
467.   natepurcell
Blake doesn't bunt in the minors. Should have let him hit.
2008-05-02 21:06:28
468.   Bob Timmermann
If Blake wants to atone, let him write a novel with multiple POVs about how he misplayed two grounders in Denver and later was able to get Cory Wade a Cy Young Award, only to find out that Wade had actually been shipped down to the minors and died in a subway accident.
2008-05-02 21:06:53
469.   trainwreck
LA Times reporting Kobe Bryant will be MVP.
2008-05-02 21:07:12
470.   bablue
456,

Okay thats fair, I'll try to critique a guy when he's actually doing poorly next time. I just didn't want to see Torre leave him in until the lead was gone. He was fine tonight, FWIW. Just frustrated that they almost blew the lead, I guess.

Nice AB Blake!!!!

2008-05-02 21:07:26
471.   Marty
Great at bat by the kid.
2008-05-02 21:07:33
472.   Jon Weisman
468 - LOL :)
2008-05-02 21:07:39
473.   LeeLacy
DeWitt shows good patience ... partial redemption.
2008-05-02 21:07:44
474.   natepurcell
10 mins ago

DT: I hate Blake Dewitt!

now:

DT: Blake, you are the man!

2008-05-02 21:07:46
475.   oshea2002
Houston was down like 20, cut it to 4 at the half.
2008-05-02 21:07:58
476.   Greg Brock
What a great AB by Dewitt.
2008-05-02 21:08:05
477.   Jon Weisman
470 - Way to work that out, guys. Seriously.
2008-05-02 21:08:55
478.   Ken Noe
469 Yesterday Colin Cowherd--I was stuck in a car listening--proclaimed Kobe the greatest player who ever lived.
2008-05-02 21:09:27
479.   Bob Timmermann
472
Thanks, originally I was envisioning something longer, but decided not to overreach.
2008-05-02 21:09:39
480.   bablue
Well that was a break!
2008-05-02 21:09:41
481.   MMSMikey
when you are hot, you are hot
2008-05-02 21:09:51
482.   Jon Weisman
Furcal wins for biggest difference in length of consecutive hits.
2008-05-02 21:10:11
483.   Andrew Shimmin
Now you bunt.
2008-05-02 21:10:31
484.   natepurcell
"Don't you wish your girlfriend was hot like me?"

-Raffy

2008-05-02 21:10:51
485.   LeeLacy
474 We're kind of like Guy Pearce's character in "Memento." All that matters is what's happening in the now.
2008-05-02 21:11:18
486.   Jon Weisman
Vin makes it sound like Corpas almost got Selesed.
2008-05-02 21:11:23
487.   natepurcell
nice! Rockies broadcast actually shows the guy!
2008-05-02 21:11:58
488.   Bob Timmermann
485
I have a tattoo on me that says "Juan P killed my wife."

And another one says "Remember Gary Bennett."

2008-05-02 21:11:58
489.   Greg Brock
"Rockies infield has to play up."

Um, yeah. And the bases are loaded, too.

2008-05-02 21:12:23
490.   Jon Weisman
Nice play by Barmes
2008-05-02 21:12:28
491.   Gen3Blue
P has been good. But this is not a good place for him. Yup.
2008-05-02 21:12:34
492.   Alex41592
Someone break out Kemp's bases loaded stats
2008-05-02 21:12:56
493.   Ken Noe
485 That's why I had "complain about Gary Bennett" tattooed on my thigh.
2008-05-02 21:13:09
494.   LeeLacy
We all remember what happened the last time Kemp was up with the bases loaded in a game against the Rockies.
2008-05-02 21:13:20
495.   68elcamino427
Who is tougher than a robot made of nails?
2008-05-02 21:13:23
496.   Alex41592
Whatever they were they just got a whole lot better!
2008-05-02 21:13:27
497.   Bob Timmermann
Have I told you people about my condition?
2008-05-02 21:13:28
498.   madmac
hurry up an get another out boys so we can score a bunch more
2008-05-02 21:13:37
499.   natepurcell
Bison, Bison!
2008-05-02 21:13:37
500.   fanerman
Bison!
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2008-05-02 21:13:47
501.   bhsportsguy
Matty comes through with 3-run double. Go Bison Go.
2008-05-02 21:13:50
502.   LeeLacy
The Bison clears 'em!
2008-05-02 21:13:53
503.   Marty
That's how you clear the bases.
2008-05-02 21:14:42
504.   micktissue
503 Bison clean.
2008-05-02 21:15:59
505.   Gen3Blue
Kemp and Loney don't have to homer if they keep driving in runs. But I hold that they eventually will show power. What a wierd game so far. I hope it becomes conventional now.
2008-05-02 21:16:00
506.   nofatmike
488 "I have a tattoo on me that says "Juan P killed my wife."

And another one says "Remember Gary Bennett." "

Speaking of which, have you tracked down the guy who was wearing the Darryl Strawberry jersey at the Coliseum Game?

2008-05-02 21:16:04
507.   overkill94
As happy as I am that I can now sleep knowing the Dodgers have a comfortable lead...what the heck happened to Corpas? Not only did he have great stats last year, but every time I watched him pitch he looked unhittable. Doesn't seem that he'll be reclaiming the closer's role anytime soon.
2008-05-02 21:16:16
508.   NorCal-Dodger
Guess no 'Sav' oppty. for Sammy..oh well.
2008-05-02 21:16:47
509.   bhsportsguy
Doesn't that last road trip seem like a long time ago, scoring 1 run, 4 times. Now runs fall like rain drops.
2008-05-02 21:16:49
510.   LeeLacy
488 Bob, you are in rare form tonight.
2008-05-02 21:17:31
511.   NorCal-Dodger
Is Furcal now our HR and RBI leader?
2008-05-02 21:19:41
512.   Bob Timmermann
510
I was out of sorts yesterday, so I tried to lay low and regain the feel of the blog. I worked hard with the wit coach.
2008-05-02 21:20:31
513.   overkill94
511 Kemp still has him in RBI, especially after the 4 he collected today
2008-05-02 21:22:03
514.   madmac
whatever happened to no run is safe at Coors field. this game isn't over yet
2008-05-02 21:22:37
515.   oshea2002
That ball would have sent Furcal 15 feet into the outfield grass if it had hit him in the chest.
2008-05-02 21:23:08
516.   overkill94
Chan Ho better be on a dang short leash
2008-05-02 21:23:33
517.   oshea2002
Is Brox available tonight?
2008-05-02 21:23:44
518.   LeeLacy
512 That extra work in the batting cage definitely paid off.
2008-05-02 21:23:52
519.   Bob Timmermann
No lead is safe at Coors Field. Especially if you are using Chan Ho Park in relief. However, he's matching up against Mark Redman now.

It's all very confusing.

And why does Matt Garza want to be a Facebook friend of mine?

2008-05-02 21:24:57
520.   Gen3Blue
Memento is one of my favorite films. Who will bat in whose spot? I sure get the feeling this game is not on solid ground.
Although the pitching was consistantly bad, I think the management of pitching was also extremely bad. And it seems to be continuing to be bad in both execution and management.
2008-05-02 21:26:00
521.   trainwreck
519
He must read the Griddle.
2008-05-02 21:26:08
522.   Gen3Blue
519 How true. Most unfortunately.
2008-05-02 21:28:05
523.   StolenMonkey86
519 - Don't know, but I just added you too
2008-05-02 21:28:52
524.   Gen3Blue
Kemp could evolve into a fielder much like Andruw. Could---------never mind.
2008-05-02 21:29:22
525.   bhsportsguy
Utah wants to be in the California sunshine tomorrow, up by 17 with 4 minutes to go in the 3rd.
2008-05-02 21:29:49
526.   StolenMonkey86
524 - I just hope he doesn't lose his swing, and then have a hitting coach that wants him to change his approach entirely like Andruw.
2008-05-02 21:30:01
527.   trainwreck
If I had a Facebook I would want to be Bob's friend.
2008-05-02 21:30:16
528.   overkill94
519 What's more confusing is why you're on Facebook
2008-05-02 21:32:25
529.   Bob Timmermann
I'm up to 48!
2008-05-02 21:34:02
530.   fanerman
I just sent a Bob Timmermann (picture of a guy in front of a baseball stadium) a facebook invite.
2008-05-02 21:34:14
531.   Bob Timmermann
49!
2008-05-02 21:34:46
532.   Gen3Blue
Hey Saito is not overworked. Actually he is dying for some regular work. I'm not sure who is behind him, but I doubt it will matter.
2008-05-02 21:34:59
533.   Bob Timmermann
530
You should really examine the background more closely in that photo.
2008-05-02 21:36:17
534.   fanerman
It was a thumbnail and I was busy watching the game.'
2008-05-02 21:36:18
535.   Gen3Blue
Stay with Chan Ho? Help me.
2008-05-02 21:38:23
536.   Bob Timmermann
Cycle alert canceled in Phoenix. Stand down.

Which also means that the DBacks lost. Mets win 7-2.

2008-05-02 21:38:29
537.   blutomania
Gotta stay with Park here. Save the rest of the 'pen.

I wonder if Colletti will do any interviews/QAs for this season.

2008-05-02 21:39:54
538.   madmac
we win
2008-05-02 21:41:42
539.   Ken Noe
Dodgers win, rest of the West loses, only four out now. Quite a week.
2008-05-02 21:41:54
540.   LeeLacy
Blue wins.

I'm liking this scoring-in-double-figures thing the Dodgers have been doing lately.

2008-05-02 21:44:05
541.   Bob Timmermann
UCLA was leading Arizona State 5-2 going to the 8th.

UCLA lost 10-5.

2008-05-02 21:45:05
542.   trainwreck
More importantly, the Sharks tied it up to send it to OT.

Am I right guys? Huh, am I right?! High five!

2008-05-02 21:47:13
543.   Gen3Blue
To Arizona: What do these surging Dodgers mean? What if they straighten out their outfield and third base? Who Knows? Stay tuned. It's Mark Time.
2008-05-02 21:47:36
544.   trainwreck
541
Who wants to go to Omaha anyways?
2008-05-02 21:49:12
545.   Bob Timmermann
544
Apparently Arizona State does.
2008-05-02 21:51:24
546.   trainwreck
Sharks win! Sharks win!
2008-05-02 21:55:51
547.   madmac
did you know they now make pancake batter in an aerosol can. It's even organic. Wife went away for the weekend, so it looks like Batter Blaster to the rescue tomorrow morning.
2008-05-02 22:07:16
548.   Ranma
376 Maybe the solution to our third base woes has been right under our nose all along...or rather behind the plate. Russ has looked sharped at the hot corner and he was reportedly fooling around as SS during the pregame warm-ups. The fact that he says he's just as comfortable there as catcher is very encouraging. The problem is that any replacement the Dodgers would get in trade would likely not be as good in either defensively and/or calling a game. Maybe Martin could serve as sort of a mentor in that regard.

I would just love to be able to give up some minor assets to get somebody--anybody--to replace Gary Bennett as the team's backup C, but if we up the ante a little maybe we can wait out for Pittsburgh's inevitable fire sale and pick up Ronny Paulino. Taking it a step further, I'd be interested in trying to acquire Jarrod Saltalamacchia with a package starting with LaRoche and Meloan. Thoughts?

2008-05-02 22:07:52
549.   bhsportsguy
545 Wait I see that a UCLA team that plays with a bat and ball beat Arizona 2-1 tonight.

Oh wait, that's the Softball team.

2008-05-02 22:09:27
550.   fanerman
548 Russell's value is FAR higher as a catcher than a third baseman.
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2008-05-02 22:20:50
551.   Ranma
550 I definitely agree but given our recent history, I strongly suspect we'd have a better chance of improving the team through finding another catcher rather than a third baseman. An added bonus would also save Martin from the daily grind of catching duties, likely prolonging his career and productivity.
2008-05-02 22:21:59
552.   Eric Stephen
One week ago, it was an amazing novelty that Russ played 3B. Now seven days later, Martin has somehow played three games at 3B and the Dodgers haven't lost since.

A crazy, wonderful week in Dodgertown.

2008-05-02 22:27:40
553.   Eric Stephen
548
The Dodgers 3B woes don't exist. LaRoche and DeWitt are more than capable of covering the next six or so years at the hot corner. Martin was, and is, a catcher. His short and long-term future is behind the plate.
2008-05-02 22:31:10
554.   godvls
541 - Just back fromt the ASU-UCLA game. The game finsished with a pitching matchup of Rafferty vs. Lafferty. Thank goodness Rafferty got the better of the Bruins. Nice comeback win for the Devils powered by four homeruns.

Barry Bonds was sitting about five rows in front of me sporting an ASU cap. He was in the ASU dugout prior to the game. As much distaste as I have for Bonds, it was still good to see him out supporting his alma mater.

2008-05-02 22:39:17
555.   natepurcell
A Martin, Lucas May tandem will be nice.

May hits a lot of XBHs.

2008-05-02 22:59:18
556.   ToyCannon
A Carlos Santana/Martin tandem would be better.
2008-05-02 23:08:40
557.   CanuckDodger
Or we could trade Martin at the peak of his value for a ton of talent and go with a May/Santana tandem, but I know that would never happen.
2008-05-02 23:10:19
558.   KG16
facebook talk reminds me that I should check my account at some point.

otherwise, looks like it was a bit of a wild game (I caught the bottom of the 7th and top of the 8th) but hey, a win is a win.

2008-05-02 23:12:11
559.   Andrew Shimmin
Maybe Santana can play second. Or third, and Martin could shift over to second. OR, Martin at third, May behind the place, Santana to first, and Loney back to pitching. Ethier in center, Furcal in left.
2008-05-02 23:13:05
560.   KG16
559 - don't forget Pierre at short and Hu in right
2008-05-02 23:13:33
561.   trainwreck
LaRoche to play catcher. It's settled.
2008-05-02 23:17:49
562.   Bob Hendley
OK, in a pinch we can use the Golden God at 3rd. Great, hope both he and Torre have gotten that out of their systems. Next time that Bennett squats behind the plate, just don't start Jones and JP.
2008-05-02 23:25:45
563.   Andrew Shimmin
Colletti went through three backup catchers in 2006. What are the chances we spend the whole year looking at Gary Bennett? This is the kind of thing he should exhaust his nervous energy futzing with, instead of jerking the good players around.
2008-05-02 23:34:39
564.   silverwidow
Billingsley (Age 20 season; Jacksonville)

9.99 K/9 3.08 BB/9

Kershaw (Age 20 season; Jacksonville)

10.02 K/9 3.06 BB/9

Obviously a huge difference in terms of sample size, but very close peripherals so far.

2008-05-02 23:37:56
565.   jasonungar07
563 Careful he made trade LaRaoche for a catcher so Martin can play 3b..
2008-05-02 23:39:20
566.   jasonungar07
computer stuck (baby drool) LaRoche. LaRoche.
2008-05-02 23:39:47
567.   Andrew Shimmin
A.J. Ellis's OBP is over .400.

Sal Fasano is hitting .269/.345/.385 with the Braves' AAA team. I'd be willing to offer Brian Falkenborg and Rick Asadoorian for him.

2008-05-02 23:40:52
568.   fanerman
562 Golden God's at SS next game =).
2008-05-02 23:48:16
569.   Bob Hendley
568 - Rule 3 violation! ;)
2008-05-02 23:48:40
570.   trainwreck
567
Nate would be on board to bring the stache to Los Angeles. It would bring me back to the days when the A's would lose in the first round.
2008-05-02 23:52:15
571.   Eric Stephen
Rafael Furcal has scored 30 runs in the first 29 games of the season. There have only been six LA Dodgers to score as many as 110 runs in a season (including the 2006 version of Furcal):

http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/MZpP

2008-05-02 23:59:09
572.   Andrew Shimmin
How about Nick Trzesniak? Or Matt Tupman, or Kevin Richardson, or Carlos Maldonado?
2008-05-03 00:23:01
573.   underdog
I just watched the game in the archives after being gone most of the evening. Everything's already been said before me here but just my own quickie observations as I slowly drift towards sleep...

A great win for a game that sure looked like it had "L" all over it after a few innings. In a game where Penny looked totally off for 3 innings and then settled down a bit (and certainly got a bit lucky to get a win) and Jones looked horrible in his first couple of at bats, and the Rockies were finally manufacturing runs, and they were due for a win and the Dodgers were due for a loss... to come back the way they did, twice, really, surviving an unfortunate defensive inning from the Solution, and even Andruw getting in the hitting act... Well, this was a most satisfying and in some ways unexpected win.

I liked some of the moves Torre made, first starting Martin at 3rd (which I think was discussed here once or twice) and then pinch hitting for Bennett in that big inning, and bringing in Ethier to PH too, pulling Penny right at the right time, but mostly just having some guys rake at the right time.

Nice. That was well worth staying up late and watching the archived game.

I also found the Rockies' announcers very competent but also even more homerish (and a bit duller) than I'd remembered.

2008-05-03 00:27:33
574.   underdog
("but mostly it helped just having some guys rake...") that should read above.

Oh, and yay for the DBax losing, too. Night!

2008-05-03 00:31:32
575.   Eric Enders
The reason the Rockies announcers seemed duller tonight is because two different guys do the color commentary. George Frazier, the guy you're probably used to, is bombastic and opinionated and thinks he's very funny. Jeff Huson, the guy who subbed for Frazier tonight, is calm and mellow.
2008-05-03 00:38:07
576.   underdog
Ah yes, that's what it is. Thought he sounded like he was on valium or something, but being an entirely different person explains it. I'll take dull over bombastic and unfunny, but the guy tonight was still a bit of a homer. ("Oh come on, where was that pitch?")

Now I'm officially asleep. Fun reading through the comments here, though. :-)

2008-05-03 00:42:18
577.   underdog
No wait! Before I go -- did anyone see this photo caption next to a picture in the AP story on the game? (I didn't see any evidence of this during the game but might have skipped over that part.)

"As a field guard, front, runs to apprehend him, an unidentified fan, back left, approaches Colorado Rockies relief pitcher Manny Corpas, back center, after he gave up a three-run double while catcher Yorvit Torrealba, back right, comes in to intervene in the eighth inning of the Los Angeles Dodgers' 11-6 victory in a Major League Baseball game in Denver on Friday, May 2, 2008. The fan was tackled and hauled off the field by three guards."

(You can see the pic with the wire story on ESPN.com.)

2008-05-03 00:42:24
578.   Eric Enders
The Denver Post's game story for tomorrow's paper was written by... Dylan Hernandez. It was an edited version of his story for the Times. Guess the Denver Post must be a Tribune paper too.
2008-05-03 01:14:56
579.   Andrew Shimmin
Coors must be happy for the free advertising.

http://tinyurl.com/4mdwnz

2008-05-03 01:42:26
580.   arbfuldodger
Pitching in front of the bosses, Minotaur aquitted himself very well:
6.2 IP, 1 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 5 K's

For the season:
1.11 ERA, 11 BB's, 36 K's in 32 IP

2008-05-03 03:00:07
581.   LoneStar7
beautiful win, i was on the road for that whole top 6th, nearly caused like 8 accidents, but boy was i pumped...keep it rolling boys
2008-05-03 07:08:35
582.   Marty
578 Nope, though coincidentally the Post was a Times-Mirror paper until they sold it to Dean Singleton in the late 80's or early 90's.

I'm guessing the AP picked up the story since the Times sends a lot of their stories over the wire each night.

2008-05-03 07:40:13
583.   Marty
It's Derby Day. Is LAT heading out to the track today?
2008-05-03 08:13:11
584.   Bob Hendley
563 - No doubt, when Torre so obviously doesn't trust his back-up catcher enough to actually give the Golden God a day off.
2008-05-03 08:21:19
585.   Jon Weisman
A new baseball blogging Weisman:

http://danweisman.mlblogs.com/

2008-05-03 08:29:45
586.   Daniel Zappala
So basically what you're saying is anyone can have a blog these days.
2008-05-03 08:36:15
587.   Bob Timmermann
586
Everybody but Buzz Bissinger.
2008-05-03 08:58:22
588.   Daniel Zappala
Bissinger can blog all he wants, with no fear of criticism. He just needs to store his blog at c:\My Documents\blog. He can even us MS Word to edit it.
2008-05-03 09:19:35
589.   Sam DC
Paul LoDuca handicaps the Derby.

http://tinyurl.com/5qpfy8

2008-05-03 09:51:24
590.   Gen3Blue
Just thinking, I expected to see Elbert and Brian Morris by now. This is probably not good news. Has anyone heard anything lately?
I'll check back later.
2008-05-03 10:08:57
591.   Penarol1916
590. Morris has been pitching for Great Lakes. His control is a little better than I would think after TJ surgery, but his K rate and Hit rates are not great.
2008-05-03 10:11:35
592.   Andrew Shimmin
Dan Weisman's intersts are: "Baseball baseball baseball other other television dating"
2008-05-03 10:20:35
593.   Bob Timmermann
Shigetoshi Hasegawa denies that he spread negative publicity to Hiroki Kuroda about the Mariners.
http://tinyurl.com/6bkwkn

This story is quintessentially Japanese. Sportswriting in Japan focuses a lot on the player's feelings and attitudes.

2008-05-03 10:27:40
594.   madmac
and here it's the feelings and attitudes of the sportswriter
2008-05-03 10:31:36
595.   Andrew Shimmin
This is embarrassing, but I was the one spreading negative publicity to Hiroki Kuroda about the Mariners. In my defense: who takes me seriously?
2008-05-03 10:33:55
596.   Bob Timmermann
595
Shouldn't you be watching C-SPAN to see the results of the Guam caucuses?
2008-05-03 10:35:37
597.   Andrew Shimmin
596- Right now, I'm trying to figure out what television dating is; it sounds intriguing.
2008-05-03 10:36:02
598.   Xeifrank
I know there are probably no plans to do this, but a permanent move from Catcher to 3B by Martin would be an automatic 1 WAR loss by just moving positions, and add to that the person who would be taking Martin's place behind the plate. vr, Xei
2008-05-03 10:39:20
599.   D4P
597
Well, if it's a flat screen, it probably dates from the 2000s. If it's a black and white, probably from the 70s and earlier. Remote control, 80s and later.
2008-05-03 10:45:15
600.   Andrew Shimmin
599- Actually, that does sound like what "other other television dating," would be.
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2008-05-03 10:49:23
601.   LogikReader
593

The early returns favor Seattle.

After the first month of the regular season, Silva has a 3-0 record and a 2.79 ERA after six starts and 42 innings, while Kuroda is 1-2 with a 3.82 ERA after six starts with the Dodgers.

Silva: 18k/9BB, 1.16 WHIP
Kuroda: 20k/8BB, 1.27 WHIP

...If you say so.

2008-05-03 11:00:41
602.   underdog
Given the runs scored in the Penny-Francis matchup last night, with Loiaza and De La Rosa tonight one would think it could be a 10-8 final or something. Which means it'll probably be 3-2.

---

Go Sharks!

--

Enjoying the Celtics sweating it out enormously, 7 games, what a pleasant surprise.

Have a day, all.

2008-05-03 11:12:50
603.   CodyS
I just read LaRoche is on course to return to the majors in LATE MAY. He's already played 10 games in the minors. What is the hold-up?
2008-05-03 11:27:48
604.   Gen3Blue
591 Thanks Pen, I had actually checked out his peripherals but they listed him as Avery Morris and I had never seen him called that.
2008-05-03 11:41:24
605.   D4P
Gotta love that the As are in first place.
2008-05-03 11:41:58
606.   natepurcell
604

Apparently Avery is his first name but he goes by Bryan.

2008-05-03 11:46:06
607.   Bob Timmermann
605
The White Sox are in first place also, but that doesn't make as many people happy. Same thing with the Cardinals.
2008-05-03 11:51:28
608.   D4P
607
Yeah. Don't gotta love that.

At least the White Sox aren't very likely to finish on top.

2008-05-03 12:08:21
609.   silverwidow
With report after report that Abreu has been cleared medically from several doctors, I have to wonder if he's faking so he doesn't go to AAA. Or he's trying recoup money by being on the Major League DL.
2008-05-03 12:25:21
610.   overkill94
The original British version of 1 vs. 100 is a bit different than the US version. The questions are hard from the beginning, they don't talk to the 100 at all, and the only lifeline is skipping the question. Needless to say, it moves a lot quicker.
2008-05-03 12:28:01
611.   Marty
If I was going to buy a game console, should I go with the Xbox or playstation? I'm not interested in Wii right now.
2008-05-03 12:29:57
612.   bhsportsguy
609 If Abreu can play, Hu will go down to play everyday. Abreu provides more depth since he already played 3B last year for the Dodgers.

I think the Dodgers see Abreu as a utility infielder while Hu as either an everyday 2B or SS.

2008-05-03 12:32:23
613.   blue22
611 - I'm not much of a gamer anymore, but one interesting feature is that the PS3 can play Blu-Ray discs.
2008-05-03 12:41:17
614.   bhsportsguy
Saw this unattributed note in Buster Olney's Insider column on ESPN.com.

• The Dodgers have fashioned preliminary plans of how to integrate star prospect Clay Kershaw, and general manager Ned Colletti planned to watch the left-hander pitch for Double-A Jacksonville on Friday night. The Dodgers intend to limit Kershaw to 150 innings this season, and so it may be that when Kershaw is promoted to the big leagues -- and that will be very soon -- he will get some work out of the rotation, and some out of the bullpen, making his starts intermittently.

2008-05-03 12:41:25
615.   D4P
I'm not much of a gamer anymore

One of the biggest gamers I know of:

http://tinyurl.com/5mq2oy

2008-05-03 12:41:40
616.   Pedro Astacio
Our team stats confuse me. 3rd in runs but 13th in home runs? 3rd in runs allowed but only 11th in strikeouts? What gives?
2008-05-03 12:44:32
617.   blue22
614 - That makes it sound like he'll be bouncing back and forth between the rotation and pen. You can screw around like that with Loaiza all you want, but take special care with the Franchise please.
2008-05-03 12:50:13
618.   bhsportsguy
617 It could mean they handle him like Billingsley, some consistent middle relief work to limit innings and working him in the rotation. A lot will depend on Schmidt's status, Torre has said that Schmidt will start if he comes back. I would think that Schmidt will make 3-4 starts in the minors to make sure he is all right, so he probably won't be ready until the end of May at the earliest.

The Dodgers will only use the 5th starter two more times after tonight until the May 27 so they don't really need to do anything with Kershaw until June.

As always, if one of the other 4 guys get hurt, that could change everything.

2008-05-03 12:54:43
619.   Ken Noe
If there's a pool, I'll say that Ned's first trade this year will be moving Abreu, once he's cleared to play.
2008-05-03 12:55:06
620.   D4P
3rd in runs but 13th in home runs?

3rd in OBP. Mystery solved.

3rd in runs allowed but only 11th in strikeouts?

But 4th in K/BB.

2008-05-03 12:55:52
621.   D4P
619
Abreu seems like the kinda guy Ned would throw in with other players, rather than trade by himself.
2008-05-03 12:57:47
622.   overkill94
Good lord, I didn't realize San Diego's offense was so pitiful this year. A .629 OPS is pathetic, even in Petco.
2008-05-03 12:58:34
623.   fanerman
611 If it's a concern, Grand Theft Auto 4 plays equally well on either PS3 or Xbox360.

Things I'd consider:
-which system has more games you want (many of the PS3's AAA titles are just starting to come out)
-PS3 can play blu-ray and is the best blu-ray player out on the market
-Xbox 360 is super loud while PS3 is silent
-Xbox 360 has (had) quality control issues
-Xbox 360 has better online multiplayer (Xbox Live)
-if you have friends with one of the consoles, playing online with them is really fun, so getting the console they have might be a factor. If you have a 360 and your friend has a PS3, you can't play online with him.

2008-05-03 13:07:16
624.   Ken Noe
621 Who's this year's Danys Baez?
2008-05-03 13:13:29
625.   D4P
624
Maybe Pierre is this year's Milton Bradley.

Actually, I don't see Ned trading Pierre this season. It's kinda hard to see him trading any of the guys currently on the big-league roster.

2008-05-03 13:27:13
626.   Ken Noe
625 JP's contract + Jones' at-bats = JP in blue for the foreseeable future, whether he likes it or not.
2008-05-03 13:29:26
627.   CrispusAttucks
611 I have both consoles, and the best games I have ever played are Bioshock, Gears of War, Mass Effect, and Halo 3. The best baseball game is MLB on PS3...Framerate and loading times are much better for XBOX, and I have had my 360 since launch and have never had a problem. I was not impressed with Resistance on PS3, but Drake's Fortune is a fun action/adventure game
2008-05-03 13:31:44
628.   68elcamino427
624 Just based on performance since joining the Dodgers, Andruw Jones might compare.
I read somewhere this week that Bowa suggested Jones should get 200 at bats to find himself.
He's at 93 ab's now.
2008-05-03 13:40:46
629.   neuroboy002
601 I'd much rather have Kuroda with his contract. Our offense has picked up and he should get more wins in his column. No way Carlos Silva is worth 16 million per year.

But then again, how much are we paying Andruw Jones annually? Kind of wish we had Adam Jones instead.

2008-05-03 13:43:09
630.   Ken Noe
628 One thing I've learned about Torre is that instead of making a snap anecdotal decision after a game or two, or conversely by checking stats, he seems to like experimentation and extended try-outs: Ethier, Pierre, and then Kemp regularly in the outfield; DeWitt at third; Troncoso and now Wade out of the pen. It'll be interesting to see where Jones stands around June 1 and AB 200.
2008-05-03 13:44:28
631.   Andrew Shimmin
Kyle Lohse is having a rough day.
2008-05-03 13:47:26
632.   madmac
621 at the same time, I doubt any GM would currently view Abreu as a centerpiece for any trade. Maybe an exchange of spare parts, but that is about it. Don't get me wrong, I am hopeful for Abreu. I just think guys who have yet to establish themselves in the majors and can't seem to stay healthy while currently suffering from a mysterious injury don't have much value. Honestly he probably more valued by the Dodgers than anyone else.
2008-05-03 13:53:00
633.   overkill94
631 It started off so promising though. My fantasy team does not approve of his one bad inning of the year.
2008-05-03 13:54:51
634.   Bob Hendley
612 - A lot has to do with were they see Hu ending up in the future. If its second base, it seems to me that it might be better to keep him in the bigs. At this stage, even before the dog days and with Kent in good health, Hu is on track to get at least 150 ABs, and Torre could start cranking that up, if the vision is to have him there next year. Having someone to back up at third, may not be enough of a need to justify Abreu over Hu. I mean, I don't think that Nomar is going anywhere and Martin now appears to be an option in a pinch.
2008-05-03 13:55:15
635.   overkill94
629 That's probably why he's only making 12 million a year
2008-05-03 13:57:43
636.   sporky
Martin starting at 3B again:

Furcal, SS
Pierre, LF
Kemp, RF
Kent, 2B
Martin, 3B
Loney, 1B
Jones, CF
Bennett, C
Loaiza, RHP

2008-05-03 13:59:18
637.   overkill94
636 I guess two starts at 3B equals one whole day off from catcher. Is that the same line-up as yesterday?
2008-05-03 13:59:26
638.   natepurcell
636

I don't get it.

2008-05-03 14:00:47
639.   sporky
637 Si.
2008-05-03 14:02:01
640.   D4P
Q: What kind of battery is Bennett-Loaiza?

A: Single-A.

2008-05-03 14:05:54
641.   Icaros
I shouldn't have to watch Bennett make those lobs back to the pitcher on a Saturday.

What did Ethier do to get benched?

2008-05-03 14:06:04
642.   overkill94
636 Where'd you get that line-up?
2008-05-03 14:08:12
643.   Ken Noe
630 636 Speaking of experimentation, Martin at third seems to be this week's science project.
2008-05-03 14:08:31
644.   sporky
From D. Leung.
2008-05-03 14:08:45
645.   El Lay Dave
641 I imagine the coaches see him as stuggling against lefthanders, at least of late. This season, Ethier vs. LHP: .143 .273 .143 .416
2008-05-03 14:10:20
646.   gpellamjr
I was just telling my wife last night that it wasn't pleasant watching the Dodgers this year, because I could root for Juan Pierre as hard as for everyone else because I knew he would be on the bench again the next day.
2008-05-03 14:10:50
647.   El Lay Dave
Who had to start for the opposition for Delwyn Young to get a start? If Ethier is going to sit, how about starting Young as another RH bat in LF, as has been suggested before here?
2008-05-03 14:10:59
648.   gpellamjr
646 I don't know what's wrong with me. I told her that it was pleasant to watch the Dodgers this year.
2008-05-03 14:11:45
649.   trainwreck
Maybe Torre is trying to make Bennett happy before we release him.
2008-05-03 14:12:52
650.   trainwreck
Wow, Tell Me You Love Me got a second season.
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2008-05-03 14:12:54
651.   El Lay Dave
Are we seeing the start of a Bennett / DeWitt platoon with Martin playing both positions? Get well VERY soon Andy LaRoche!
2008-05-03 14:13:46
652.   El Lay Dave
643 Torre is at least the right mad scientist to conduct it.
2008-05-03 14:13:47
653.   D4P
649
Catch and release...?
2008-05-03 14:14:34
654.   D4P
Wow, Tell Me You Love Me got a second season

Where did you see that? I've known for a long time now that it was renewed, but I haven't been able to find any updates. Are you seeing something new...?

2008-05-03 14:15:26
655.   Andrew Shimmin
I would trade Kershaw for Adam Melhuse, right now.
2008-05-03 14:16:03
656.   natepurcell
655

I would then use Adam Melhuse to club you.

2008-05-03 14:16:15
657.   trainwreck
654
I was watching HBO and they said they were getting ready to shoot second season.
2008-05-03 14:17:04
658.   Andrew Shimmin
656- I'm going to interpret that to mean that you like Gary Bennett, and really dig watching him start. You disgust me.
2008-05-03 14:19:51
659.   gpellamjr
656 You can't just store up all that talent in the minor leagues forever. At some point you have to trade your talent away to win today.
2008-05-03 14:20:21
660.   Andrew Shimmin
Andrew Lambo for Wil Nieves. Do it, Colletti. Do it now. 5-4-3-2, just say yes. Don't think, just do it. Do it. . .
2008-05-03 14:20:21
661.   D4P
657
Awesome.
2008-05-03 14:21:59
662.   Ken Noe
This is Torre's way of telling the Rockies that he can beat them with one hand tied behind his back. And by the way, that bound hand is the one Gary Bennett throws with.
2008-05-03 14:23:36
663.   Andrew Shimmin
Does anybody know what hotel the players stay at, in Denver? Also, I need the number of a butcher willing to deliver a hundred pounds of mutton to the front desk, before the bus leaves.
2008-05-03 14:25:36
664.   Andrew Shimmin
Probably wouldn't work. Unless Bennett specially requests that his hotel rooms have a giant freezer in them. Which he probably doesn't. Also, hotels have elevators.
2008-05-03 14:25:52
665.   ryu
636 That's identical to yesterday's lineup, except the pitcher. You sure that's an old lineup?
2008-05-03 14:27:15
666.   ryu
I mean, you sure that's not an old lineup?
2008-05-03 14:43:28
667.   Bob Timmermann
Have I told you people about my condition?
2008-05-03 14:49:14
668.   D4P
667
Is this serious or some kind of joke...?
2008-05-03 14:52:57
669.   bigcpa
Just when it looked like Torre had settled in with a regular lineup. Ethier .309/.343/.426 career vs LHP in 200 pa, and this isn't even a "tough lefty." Apparently Torre thinks speed at the top of the lineup has been the key to the hot streak.
2008-05-03 14:55:18
670.   overkill94
Carlos "Mr. Suck" Delgado with the 3-run homer off Webb to bring the Mets within 1 run in the 6th against the D-Backs
2008-05-03 15:00:50
671.   Ken Noe
670 The Mets are really sockin' the ball,
Knockin' those home runs over the wall.
East side, West side, everybody's coming down,
To meet the M-E-T-S Mets, of New York town.
2008-05-03 15:02:02
672.   Bob Hendley
Looks like Torre is into the wave offense, he perfected last night. Run these guys out there, see what they can do and then come in with the pinch hitters when the going get tough.
2008-05-03 15:06:37
673.   JoeyP
Martin should be in the #2 spot.

I'm not sure why Ethier should be benched against LHP. He's struggling this year against them.

Pierre on the other hand has always been awful against LHP.

2008-05-03 15:14:10
674.   Jon Weisman
I interviewed the TMYLM showrunner last week. They've had a script pickup for a long while now.
2008-05-03 15:14:36
675.   therickdaddy
Call me crazy, but I like the idea of Martin playing 3B and Bennett catching. It's a way to keep Russell's bat in the lineup without all that wear and tear. This is Torre the Catcher thinking. As far as dealing with an inept Bennett (on both sides of the ball), well -- do we want Martin flailing at the end of the season again or not?

And Torre, if you're going to start Pierre gives Andruw the night off.

2008-05-03 15:14:51
676.   D4P
674
What does that mean in non-Hollywood-Bigwig terms...?
2008-05-03 15:19:02
677.   Andrew Shimmin
Dededo:Guam::Florida:US
2008-05-03 15:23:34
678.   Bob Timmermann
Who is Andrew S and why does he keep showing up at my home?
2008-05-03 15:27:16
679.   trainwreck
678
Maybe he wants to be your Facebook friend.
2008-05-03 15:32:22
680.   Jon Weisman
676 - I don't remember when they announced approval of a second season, but it's been in the works for a while.
2008-05-03 15:35:14
681.   D4P
680
Yeah, I remember them announcing back in (maybe?) October or something that it was renewed, but I hadn't seen any updates since then.

I'm pretty excited for the second season, though part of me thinks it won't be as good as the first.

2008-05-03 15:38:24
682.   Bob Timmermann
I'm guessing the expiration date on "Memento" jokes has passed.
2008-05-03 15:40:58
683.   D4P
682
I watched that movie, but forgot what happened in it almost immediately. I guess I should have taken notes.
2008-05-03 15:42:23
684.   Dodgers49
Bases Loaded Cycle Alert:

In his last three ABs with the bases loaded Matt Kemp has gone homer/single/double. He needs a triple in his next opportunity for a Bases Loaded Cycle*.

Matt Kemp 2008 Bases Loaded Watch:

PA: 5 AB: 5 H: 3 W: 0 RBI: 9 GS: 1

Career:

2006: 1 for 6 (single)
2007: 0 for 9
Total: 4 for 20 (.200)

* I've never heard of a Bases Loaded Cycle. :-) However, the Bison is on a roll.

2008-05-03 15:44:20
685.   Bob Timmermann
It's hard enough to get three hits in three consecutive opportunities with the bases loaded.
2008-05-03 15:44:49
686.   StolenMonkey86
who's our emergency catcher? Is he better than Gary Bennett?
2008-05-03 15:47:25
687.   Bob Hendley
683 - Watch out. Bob has been known to fact check people's anecdotes after they have passed away.
2008-05-03 15:49:04
688.   regfairfield
683 I hope that was intentional.
2008-05-03 15:49:10
689.   Bob Timmermann
687
I thought I did that in a complimentary fashion.
2008-05-03 15:53:24
690.   Dodgers49
Kershaw lifts Suns with defensive play

>> Jacksonville Suns left-hander Clayton Kershaw picked the right night to show off his athleticism.

With Los Angeles Dodgers general manager Ned Colletti on hand Friday, Kershaw ignited the crowd of 6,193 at the Baseball Grounds of Jacksonville with a spectacular defensive play in the fourth inning of the Suns' 4-1 win over the Tennessee Smokies. <<

http://tinyurl.com/5mufhn

2008-05-03 15:53:53
691.   Bob Hendley
Indeed. Thank goodness Cannizaro isn't Irish.
2008-05-03 16:03:23
692.   Dodgers49
Round Rock's big fifth inning dooms 51s

>> Jon Meloan (2-2) lost after giving up five runs on six hits and five walks in 4 1/3 innings. He struck out eight. <<

http://www.lvrj.com/sports/18544389.html

Las Vegas
Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Meloan (L, 2-2) 4.1 6 5 5 5 8 0 3.60

Las Vegas
Player AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO AVG

LaRoche 3B 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 .154

http://tinyurl.com/46zvqr

2008-05-03 16:03:27
693.   Gen3Blue
I went somewhere where I could get Fox and was yelling "go Mets" until they finally caved. Oh well, hope the Mets don't recover for us. Most older DTV customers can't get the networks.
2008-05-03 16:59:48
694.   Jon Weisman
NPUT

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