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2008-05-10 20:29
by Jon Weisman

I've come upon a blog that is a perfect distraction from tonight's Dodger debacle: Earl Pomerantz: Just Thinking ..., authored by the prolific writer of Mary Tyler Moore, Taxi and the like. Just one rich entry after another.

Here's a sample of Pomerantz's writing for MTM:

TED: I've been reborn, Lou. And all because of a little spider. ... A few days ago, I was sitting on the terrace outside our bedroom when I noticed this spider spinning its web near the screen door – patiently, skillfully, lovingly. And then Georgette opened the door and tore the web. And the spider had to build it back up…Then a little later someone else opened the door and the spider had to build it back up again…and then somebody else….

LOU: Ted…could you move it along?

TED: Sure, Lou. You see, I learned something from that little spider, who never gave up, who kept re-building his web over and over and over…I learned that life is short and you have to live for today.

MARY: Ted, that's not a "live-for-today" story; it's a "perseverance" story.

TED: It was a "perseverance" story, Mair. But it became a "live-for-today" story when I smacked that spider with my newspaper.

* * *

Now, when Vin says, "In the old days, they'd call it a can of corn," and I remember them doing just that, does that make me old?

Comments (166)
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2008-05-10 20:40:23
1.   blue22
The rally-sparking NPUT. Jon, you glorious genius!
2008-05-10 20:42:37
2.   tjdub
I'm flipping channels between the Dodger game and Braveheart on HBO. Every time Ethier sits I feel like William Wallace after the battle of Falkirk
2008-05-10 20:43:33
3.   Jon Weisman
1 - The thought did cross my mind ...
2008-05-10 20:44:46
4.   natepurcell
Oh those Astros, such comedians they are.
2008-05-10 20:45:07
5.   blue22
And a fungo double for Andruw!
2008-05-10 20:45:46
6.   Eric Enders
Loney sure took a long time to advance from second to third on that, even accounting for the fact that he was surprised it wasn't caught.
2008-05-10 20:47:22
7.   Eric Enders
I don't like these late-game rallies where we make some noise and then inevitably fall short. I'd rather lose big and lose fast so I don't keep investing emotion in the outcome.
2008-05-10 20:47:58
8.   El Lay Dave
6 I, too, was surprised that it was a close play at third.
2008-05-10 20:48:50
9.   blue22
2008-05-10 20:49:36
10.   scareduck
7 - this game is designed to break your heart.
2008-05-10 20:50:01
11.   scareduck
C'mon, Slappy, squirt one into left center.
2008-05-10 20:50:03
12.   El Lay Dave
Paraphrasing the Big Aristotle, one bad break deserves another.
2008-05-10 20:50:28
13.   Ricardo
7. Me too and also because of the time zone, it´s almost 1 o´clock here. I remember a game against the Rockies last year that the Dodgers had loaded bases in the 9th and Liberthal hit a pop out. That was very frustrating.
2008-05-10 20:51:14
14.   Eric Enders
12 Like Tommy Davis and Pedro Guerrero?
2008-05-10 20:51:17
15.   El Lay Dave
Lean INTO it Juan!
2008-05-10 20:51:42
16.   scareduck
Came close on that one. But I told you to hit it to left!
2008-05-10 20:52:00
17.   blue22
OK time for another NPUT.
2008-05-10 20:52:23
18.   El Lay Dave
14 Ouch.
2008-05-10 20:55:06
19.   natepurcell
holy crap the Inland Empire score tonight....


Inland Empire.....25

2008-05-10 20:56:58
20.   El Lay Dave
Good break by JP there.
2008-05-10 20:57:36
21.   scareduck
19 - THAT'S where all those Dodger runs went!
2008-05-10 20:57:59
22.   Reddog
At this point, I'm kinda hoping Pierre keeps making weak outs so at some point Ethier can again be our left fielder.
2008-05-10 20:58:07
23.   scareduck
19 - a ten-run ninth. Wow.
2008-05-10 21:00:47
24.   Eric Enders
23 An inning which featured two homers by one guy.
2008-05-10 21:01:19
25.   natepurcell
Meanwhile Chris Sampson is a great pitcher.
2008-05-10 21:02:33
26.   Icaros

I'm openly rooting against him, for that reason, even with two runners in scoring position.

Pretty much have been all season. It's a very strange feeling.

2008-05-10 21:02:39
27.   Kevin Lewis

So, they were up by fourteen at that point? Man, that is just harsh.

The Blog was interesting, Jon, but I am still bummed about Ethier.

On another note, does anyone else have Vista Media Center? If so, how have you solved the incorrect guide information for the digital sub channels?

2008-05-10 21:02:41
28.   underdog
It's not over yet, boys!

Of course, it feels like the Dodgers wouldn't have scored off Ralph Sampson tonight, or Ralph Wiggum, or Sampson and Delilah, but hope springs eternal.

2008-05-10 21:03:21
29.   blue22
25 - His ERA is in a free-fall right now. It's now all the way down to 6.61.
2008-05-10 21:05:04
30.   LoneStar7
ah..did not realize this new thread was up, basically all i've had to say is the way killed that rally was unbelievable, but that at least Chan Ho pitched well..
2008-05-10 21:06:57
31.   scareduck
24 - and a scoring balk, and a bases-loaded walk. Lancaster was in damage control mode the whole way. Luis Segovia ended the game with a 63.00 ERA.
2008-05-10 21:07:54
32.   El Lay Dave
I'm a little surprised none of us called for Ethier to PH when Torre sent up Sweeney.
2008-05-10 21:08:31
33.   Xeifrank
Hu swings at a lot of first pitches. Starting to grate on me a little bit.
vr, Xei
2008-05-10 21:08:33
34.   Icaros

It wasn't worth it.

2008-05-10 21:08:46
35.   blue22
Man, Kent is strugga-ling right now.
2008-05-10 21:09:57
36.   bcg60
My post on the LA Times Dodger Blog tonight:

I can't believe that Ethier is out of the lineup again tonight. He won the starting left field job fair and square and did nothing to lose it. Pierre has a few good games and now he's the second coming? Give me a break. He may be nice guy and a hard worker, but he's not half the player Ethier is as far as I'm concerned. Ethier's not even half the player he could be if he got to play every day like he has earned to do about 10 times over since he became a Dodger and he works hard too. So much for Joe Torre saying he didn't want Ethier to be looking over his shoulder and that he was one of the few players that had earned to play every day after he won the starting job.

I've been a Dodger fan for a long, long time, but I am really getting sick of the lack of commitment to fielding the best team possible. The only thing Ethier has done wrong is to not make a lot of money. Maybe he would have been better off to stuff his face the entire off season like Jones apparently did instead of working out twice a day, six days a week with Dustin Pedroia and a group of other MLB players during the off season, as it obviously doesn't count for much. (I couldn't get it to show bold with ateriks, not sure what I did wrong).

Anyway, what a pathetic joke. I think Frank McCourt needs to spend more time focusing on what Colletti is doing to impede the Dodger's progress than trying to turn Dodger Stadium into a theme park. Such a shame to see what is happening. Ethier, Kemp and all the other young players need to play every day for the Dodgers to reach the potential of what they can be with their current talent. I also think it's time to bring Kershaw up. They weren't afraid to pull the trigger on their young talent in the 70's and that's why they were successful.

Also, anyone else notice that Kent was doing a lot better during the games when he was batting fourth and Ethier was 5th behind him? I've always like Ethier best in the 5th position and am not sure why Torre has batted him 2nd so much when he has started. I agree you need more speed than Ethier has in the 2 hole, I just think it would be much better served with some who has speed and power like Martin or Kemp than with someone who only has speed like Pierre.

2008-05-10 21:12:19
37.   Eric Enders
Torre likes to save (what he thinks is) his best PH for late in the game. Usually it would have been Delwyn hitting in the fifth, with Sweeney saved for later in the game. This time Sweeney was used early and Ethier was the guy saved for later, so the fact that Ethier wasn't used means Andre is higher in the PH pecking order. (Small favors...)
2008-05-10 21:15:51
38.   El Lay Dave
37 Or Torre picked Sweeney because he was down 5, had 2nd and 3rd with one out, decided it was a high leverage situation and went with who he thinks is his best PH.
2008-05-10 21:16:22
39.   scareduck
Eventually Tejada is going to turn on one of those high sliders if Park keeps throwing them.
2008-05-10 21:21:35
40.   blue22
Bourn has 35 singles, doubles, and walks this year, and has 17 steals. If he could hit even a lick, he'd steal 100 without hardly trying.
2008-05-10 21:21:48
41.   LoneStar7
36 While I fully agree with your points on ethier, the only reason I think Pierre's play is warranted is because of Furcal's absence.

In regards to McCourt I prefer having an Owner that doesnt try to get involved in the teams on the field decisions such as Steinbrenner.

2008-05-10 21:22:06
42.   twerp
Saw recently where Park isn't considered much of a strikeout pitcher anymore.

And he doesn't seem to get many Ks. Yet Gameday has had him at 95 tonight and also at or near that in other games.

So is he now a "contact" pitcher? Even touching 95 or so? Have to give him credit for pitching well lately, whatever he is.

2008-05-10 21:22:33
43.   Icaros

These numbers aren't good enough to keep a job, apparently. Excellent defense is also not enough.

I'm glad the team holds its starting lineup to such high standards.

2008-05-10 21:23:36
44.   blue22
41 - So when your MVP is out of the lineup, it's justification to play less productive players?
2008-05-10 21:23:50
45.   Bob Hendley
Get the feeling that Fookie must be really hurt to miss the opportunity to play against Tejada, after spending winter ball playing next to him in the DR.
2008-05-10 21:25:09
46.   natepurcell
Does Andruw Jones have the most swings and misses in the majors this year?
2008-05-10 21:25:13
47.   The Mootz
Ladies and gentlemen, AnBOO Jones.
2008-05-10 21:25:39
48.   Eric Enders
43 Save that comment because you'll be able to repeat it when Nomar comes back next week, with only a slight adjustment to the numbers.
2008-05-10 21:25:51
49.   scareduck
41 - Pierre plays the infield? When did this start?
2008-05-10 21:26:24
50.   KG16
At what point are the taking heads going to start saying "gee, this team has been struggling when Furcal and Ethier are out"?

Or is that going to be too much to ask for?

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2008-05-10 21:27:13
51.   scareduck
47 - LOL!
2008-05-10 21:27:22
52.   bcg60
41 I don't disagree with you at all about Steinbrenner, I wouldn't want McCourt to be like him. I guess I'm just so frustrated that McCourt seems to be so out of touch he doesn't even seem to have a clue about what is going on with the team. I could be wrong, but that's how it seems to me.
2008-05-10 21:27:43
53.   Ricardo
46. The leader is Ryan Howard with 52.
2008-05-10 21:28:49
54.   natepurcell

Not strikeouts, but swings and misses.

2008-05-10 21:29:36
55.   Eric Enders
I'm sorry, but if we're going to lose anyway, I really hope Wesley Wright shuts us down tonight. I mean just dominates us. Twist the knife in Ned a little further.
2008-05-10 21:30:40
56.   Ricardo
54. Oh sorry, nate. I´ll try to find and BTW: Feliz Aniversário, Happy Birthday!
2008-05-10 21:30:55
57.   blue22
53 - Unbelievably enough, Howard has a lower batting average than Andruw this year too (.170 to .169). He's got 7 HR's, but that's about all he's done.
2008-05-10 21:30:56
58.   El Lay Dave
41 With Furcal's hot bat replaced by Hu's, the Dodgers need Ethier's bat, not Pierre's to make up for it. Let Martin lead off a couple games, big deal.
2008-05-10 21:31:04
59.   LoneStar7
44 no I mean dont get me wrong I'd much rather play ethier, but I'm saying I'll cut Torre some slack if he feels we need a true lead off hitter in the lineup.
2008-05-10 21:31:08
60.   scareduck
52 - McCourt tends to stonewall up to the point that he looks like he's totally out of touch. Eventually, he does apologize, and then he fires the GM.

Unless that GM is Ned Colletti.

2008-05-10 21:33:39
61.   whodat807
Man, Chan Ho's been absolutely fantastic lately. I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop, but he's been turning in solid performances consistently all year.
2008-05-10 21:34:19
62.   scareduck
ESPN vastly overestimates how many of us give a rat's patootie about the Yanksox.
2008-05-10 21:35:21
63.   El Lay Dave
55 Here he is.
2008-05-10 21:36:09
64.   scareduck
Speaking of Ned Colletti's mistakes, hello, Wesley Wright.
2008-05-10 21:37:48
65.   Bob Hendley
41 - But let's not make this about JP, why is Jones playing? And if he is playing, why isn't he batting second (Torre's favorite approach for getting PVLs out of slumps) against these second-line 'Stros starters? Has Torre run out of ideas? Or is the idea to run him out there until he either starts hitting or until even he can't stomach it (tall order) and quits baseball altogether?
2008-05-10 21:38:13
66.   scareduck
Well, I've had about enough. I have two dogs who need a walk and have been waiting for one all day.
2008-05-10 21:39:46
67.   whodat807
I love Young, but if he's only going to get 19 at bats in 35 games, shouldn't he be in the minors where he can play everyday? It's not like we don't have a crowded outfield as it is.
2008-05-10 21:40:39
68.   Icaros

Out of options.

2008-05-10 21:41:01
69.   Bob Hendley
67 - Out of options.
2008-05-10 21:41:24
70.   ryu
Is it either feast or famine for our offense? It seems like we either score ten runs in a game, or get shut out.
2008-05-10 21:44:00
71.   whodat807
68 Bah. That's a shame. He's a great hitter, I hate seeing him sit on the bench.
2008-05-10 21:44:20
72.   Ricardo
It´s a shame that Dre is on the bench, at least he must have received Troy´s photo.
2008-05-10 21:45:20
73.   underdog
This game has been a bit like Chuckles the Clown's funeral. A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down our pants. You have to laugh, otherwise you'd cry.

Futile. Next!

2008-05-10 21:46:07
74.   Daniel Zappala
We really need some more laughs tonight, so check out this MP3 player:

2008-05-10 21:47:03
75.   Vishal
65 andruw is apparently capable of stomaching a lot


2008-05-10 21:47:20
76.   Vishal
('cause he's fat)
2008-05-10 21:48:03
77.   underdog
Here we go! Put your rally caps on. And might as well put on rally socks, rally underwear, and rally ear plugs too, while we're at it.
2008-05-10 21:48:48
78.   Ricardo
Will the Dodgers score the classic one run in the 9th inning?
2008-05-10 21:49:34
79.   silverwidow
LaRoche just hit a 3-run HR. ...sigh...
2008-05-10 21:49:42
80.   whodat807
Five straight home runs. I'm calling it.
2008-05-10 21:50:25
81.   underdog
Hey, it's a start.
2008-05-10 21:51:22
82.   underdog
79 - Sigh? Isn't it a good thing? Maybe they'll call him up when it's time. Heck, maybe he'll be replacing Kent at 2nd, at this rate.
2008-05-10 21:51:48
83.   Eric Enders
Ah, too bad, I wanted to see Wright vs. Kemp.
2008-05-10 21:53:28
84.   silverwidow
82 I wish he was allowed to do it HERE.
2008-05-10 21:57:11
85.   dianagramr
Free Andre Ethier!
2008-05-10 21:57:30
86.   El Lay Dave
That's a fitting ending. I'm hoping to see better tomorrow - in person. Let Furcal be healthy please.
2008-05-10 21:58:13
87.   underdog
Wow, Kent just had an awful game. Ugh. PU. Feh. Bleh. And other similar words representing that game.
2008-05-10 21:58:18
88.   El Lay Dave
85 If my wish comes true, yours may also. At least for tomorrow.
2008-05-10 21:58:24
89.   blue22
85 - Maybe not free. Ned'll at least get a middle reliever for him.
2008-05-10 21:59:14
90.   underdog
84 - Me too. Maybe soon.

Welp, night all. A depressing three games after a mostly wonderful 9 game period. Hope they wake up tomorrow.

2008-05-10 22:00:35
91.   blue22
So even if you want to keep playing Pierre, isn't it time to give Andruw and Kent a rest?
2008-05-10 22:09:29
92.   StolenMonkey86
Andruw has been hitting .250 with a .718 OPS in the last week thanks to a .333 BABIP (vs .279 career). Torre must think he's heating up.
2008-05-10 22:26:46
93.   Dodgers49
Maza provides plenty of laughs, hits for 51s

>> "It's easier to hit in Triple A than Double A," Maza said with teammate Angel Chavez serving as an interpreter. "You see more strikes from pitchers here. In Double A, they want to throw harder." <<

2008-05-10 22:30:55
94.   Dodgers49
Per Diamond Leung:

Delwyn Young could get his first start at second base in place of Jeff Kent

2008-05-10 22:34:15
95.   jwb
"Now, when Vin says, "In the old days, they'd call it a can of corn," and I remember them doing just that, does that make me old?"

No, but if you know what the phrase "can of corn" really means, you're old.

2008-05-10 22:37:42
96.   underdog
94 Hooray! I like that, especially if Furcal is back in the line-up.

Sigh, no, I'm really going to bed now. Early soccer game in the AM, alas. Hopefully we'll score more than the Dodgers did the last 2 games.

2008-05-10 22:49:23
97.   Dodgers49
Original PCL stars still shine

>> There are more than two dozen Hall of Famers whose careers either began or ended in the PCL through 1957, including DiMaggio and Ted Williams, and another 100 or so recognizable names, like Maury Wills, Larry Sherry, Albie Pearson and Tommy Lasorda, whose PCL career preceded the Dodgers' arrival by one year. <<

2008-05-10 22:54:00
98.   Dodgers49
96 94 Hooray! I like that, especially if Furcal is back in the line-up.

In that case I'd be surprised. There appears to be a chance Furcal will be held out until Tuesday (Torre says it will be a game time decision). But if Furcal plays I'd expect to see Hu shift over to 2nd base.

2008-05-10 23:05:15
99.   Bob Hendley
92 - I haven't seen all of his PAs during that time, but I can only recall one ball that he stung, and lined out to third. Two of those (4) hits were on pop-up doubles. Just not seeing it. Perhaps Torre's strategy is to run Druw out there until even Ned can't stomach it?
2008-05-10 23:07:01
100.   JoeyP
Outscored 24-2 last 3 games.
Pythagorus/Actual record even at 19-17.
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2008-05-10 23:14:51
101.   ToyCannon
That was funny, poor Ted should have lived for today as life smacked him with a newspaper a little to soon.

I made a bad decision today.

2008-05-10 23:35:18
102.   Dodgers49
Dodgers' Andruw Jones keeps taking hard shots

>> "I don't see anything that would make him better than a fourth outfielder," an American League evaluator said. <<

2008-05-10 23:42:23
103.   LogikReader
Excuse me, I have nothing to say...

Taking George carlin's lead, I think it's very simple why the Dodgers have the feast or famine offense.

1) nobody on this team can hit 35+ home runs. Kemp may eventually do this, but everyone else? Their ceiling is the high 20s, if that.
2) none of our starters have the moxy to be dependable as of now.
3) Juan Pierre gets way too many starts (as predicted before the season) and Ethier doesn't start enough. I also havent been here in a while so I cant figure for the LIFE of me why Raffy sat the last two games. When he scores a run, the Dodgers have a very good chance of winning, statistically.

Other than that, nothing to worry about... but if we falter this season I'll be pretty happy actually, because then we could can Ned. How man signings that turn to junk can one owner take? I mean getting a 0% return three big signings in a row? That's pretty damn amazing if you ask me.

2008-05-11 02:49:53
104.   Benjamin Miracord
Bob Dylan's Take:

Because something is happening here
But you don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?

2008-05-11 02:57:47
105.   Benjamin Miracord
104 I just realized the previous quotation comes from "Ballad of a -- "

No, I just can't say it.

2008-05-11 03:01:01
106.   Benjamin Miracord
Saddest part of all: Tonight saw the end of the three-game hitting streak of Mister Andruw Jones. The dream is over.
2008-05-11 06:43:49
107.   Xeifrank
I made it to Phillipe's (Dip Sandwich) yesterday while attending the Taiwan Heritage Festival in downtown across the street from Union Station. If you are looking for something interesting to do, I'd recommend going to it as it's still going today. It's free and the entertainment is great. A lot of aborigine martial arts, drums, dancing and good food. I had never been in Union Station before (great archeticture), nor walked down Olvera street (great tourist trap). I was disappointed that there were no bat flip demonstrations. Perhaps that took place before I arrived. :)
vr, Xei
2008-05-11 07:06:17
108.   Marty
Xei, What did you think of the food? Did you try Phillipe's mustard?
2008-05-11 07:11:46
109.   Marty
The food at Phillipe's I mean.
2008-05-11 07:26:33
110.   Xeifrank
108. I am not a mustard person so I didn't indulge in it. I think the place is probably a little overhyped, but the sandwiches were very good. There was quite a lunch time crowd. Every counter was open and the line was against the back wall, with it seemed like every order in front of us for a party of 10. I was amazed at how fast the ladies get all your sandwiches ready. It was my first time there, so I didn't really know what to expect. All they have is french dip, which I usually don't order, but when in Rome... and it was very delicious. I had the oven roasted turkey dip on sourdough and both the meat and bread were of excellent quality, and the dip added a perfect touch of flavoring. It's something everyone has to try atleast once and I wouldn't mind going again, but would prefer a smaller crowd to fight through. :)
vr, Xei
2008-05-11 07:40:55
111.   Ken Noe
60 With the fans and the press led by Simers now turning rabidly anti-Jones, at a time when McCourt wants support for the "new" park, with Tommy's alleged favorite outfielder sitting night after night, I really begin to wonder how long Ned can survive. I assume he has until October at least, but with McCourt, who knows.
2008-05-11 08:14:32
112.   Sagehen
1) I'm not sure that 35+ homeruns is as much of a measuring stick in this post-steroids era. I would think that a bunch of guys in the 20s + Kemp would give us a sufficient amount of power.
2) Temporary slump. The Dodgers do have great depth in starting pitching at least. Everyone's talking about Kershaw. McDonald's the one who's already on the 40 man roster.
3) Raffy has a back injury and is day to day. They'd be playing him if they could. Play Ethier!!!! His benchtime is my biggest frustration.
2008-05-11 08:17:09
113.   Sagehen
111 What's interesting is the number of commentators, including Jim Alexander in this morning's Press Enterprise, who are suddenly sitting up and noticing the number of wasted dollars spent by Colletti. If Jones and/or Schmidt do not turn it around, Colletti could be in danger. I doubt it, though. He's a good PR man. I suspect he has the ability to spin his mistakes to Frank's liking.
2008-05-11 08:30:29
114.   Ken Noe
113 He's forced out PR people before and hired new ones. Plus if Jones is a bust and Schmidt still hurt, I don't see how anyone could spin that. Finally there's the Torre factor.
2008-05-11 08:30:52
115.   bhsportsguy
McCourt signed off on all these moves. Again you have to look at the market at what was available and make a decision. The Dodgers decided that they did not want to deal young players for players like Miguel Cabera, Texeira, Haren, etc. So they went the free agent route.

Free agency is always risky and yet fans in general want their teams to spend money to get players.

The people who are booing Jones are similar to me as those who booed Bonds, it is now part of the game experience. I think its wrong but then all I can do at the games is not join in.

2008-05-11 08:38:59
116.   Ken Noe
115 You're certainly more in the loop than me, but McCourt strikes me as a guy who really wants to support his GM, he doesn't want to be a Boss. That said, I assume he signed off on DePo's moves as well, yet Paul's now in San Diego. Not making those deals you mention was the right decision--I applauded Ned all winter for it--but not making a deal can't be a GM's best legacy. Otherwise we should just rehire Larry McPhail or Branch Rickey.
2008-05-11 08:45:44
117.   CodyS
Lots of GMs sign players that don't work out fully as expected. By the nature of expectations, you'll overshoot about half the time and undershoot about half the time. But Colletti keeps signing guys that become among the worst player in the major leagues. That's impressive.
2008-05-11 08:47:14
118.   Bumsrap
If Jones is hitting the ball hard in batting practice then maybe he should get his mind right by hitting only batting practice for a week. Can we still enjoy the Dodgers if Jones misses a week? And, if that doesn't work try it for two weeks.
2008-05-11 08:53:33
119.   ChicagoDodger
118 then maybe he should get his mind right

When I read this I immediately think of Cool Hand Luke. "I got my mind right boss!"

By the way, is it still too early to panic on the Dodger starting pitching?

2008-05-11 08:53:39
120.   D4P

After hiring an Enlightened GM, then firing him and going in the exact opposite direction, what kind of GM would McCourt be likely to hire were he to fire Ned?

2008-05-11 08:57:06
121.   bhsportsguy
116 I don't know how many times I need to say this, I'm not in any loop. Sure, I tend to voice a contrarian point of view here a lot but I get my information from the same sources everyone does.
2008-05-11 09:01:47
122.   Icaros

What will panic get you? Brett Tomko? Mark Hendrickson?

2008-05-11 09:06:59
123.   D4P
Chan Ho Park?
2008-05-11 09:20:48
124.   ChicagoDodger
122 It was a joke. It was also a simple commentary about the plight of the Dodger starters.
2008-05-11 09:23:56
125.   MC Safety
wow. thats where louis johnson went. what a snitch.
2008-05-11 09:30:55
126.   Bob Timmermann
I tend to voice a contrarian point of view here

bhsportsguy is the of Dodger Thoughts.

2008-05-11 09:32:32
127.   Greg Brock
It's Juan Marichal Day on BBTN!

I wouldn't let him get a hold of that bat, Ravech.

2008-05-11 09:47:30
128.   Johnny Nucleo
Totally off topic: I know there are some hard-core Bruce Springsteen fans here. Just saw this incredible clip of him playing onstage with Arcade Fire, and I thought it was well worth sharing. A meeting of the generations - phenomenal.
2008-05-11 09:51:05
129.   Icaros

Mine was simple commentary about the dangers of focusing too much on recent events, like, "Oh my god, J.D. Drew is opting out, we must sign Nomar Garciaparra and Juan Pierre stat!"

2008-05-11 10:03:20
130.   ChicagoDodger
129 If I were GM I wouldn't have signed Pierre, and I wouldn't have signed Nomar. Nor would I have brought back Kent or signed Schmidt or Jones or Kuroda.

That being said, Dodger starters are 10-15 with a 4.81 era and a WHIP of 1.48

Those stats look an awful lot like Tomko & Hendrickson to me, and in any event if the Dodgers don't win it will be because of their starting pitching. Widely thought as the strength of their team, it is currently killing the team.

It doesn't mean they have to bring up the kids! It doesn't mean they have to trade for other starting pitching! It doesn't mean they have to do anything!

However, it does mean that the starters have stunk! ANd that most assuredly wasn't expected on March 31st.

2008-05-11 10:07:27
131.   Icaros

I wasn't expecting the starters to be that great on March 31st. Did you know that there are still five months left in the season?

2008-05-11 10:07:57
132.   Bob Timmermann
Jason Tyner is back up in the majors with Cleveland. He's going to tap Juan Pierre on the shoulder and say "I've got next."
2008-05-11 10:08:44
133.   Bob Timmermann
Do we know which Dodgers are using pink bats today?
2008-05-11 10:13:23
134.   berkowit28
For one day, anyway, Ethier is in and Jones is out. Let's hope he has a good day that makes it difficult to reverse this too soon.

Pierre, LF

Ethier, RF

Kemp, CF

Loney, 1B

Martin, C

DeWitt, 3B

Young, 2B

Hu, SS

Kuroda, P

2008-05-11 10:14:14
135.   ChicagoDodger
131 I wasn't expecting the starters to be that great on March 31st.

Then I'm guessing you were not expecting the Dodgers to be great either? Most of what was written about the Dodgers chances in 2008 hinged on their starting pitching unless I read it wrong.

Did you know that there are still five months left in the season?

Sure I do. If the starting pitching improves, I expect the Dodger team as a whole to improve. I was simply pointing out why the team as a whole was struggling up till now. And that the reason they were struggling was mostly some of us anyway.

2008-05-11 10:21:26
136.   Bob Timmermann
If it weren't for Kuroda in the lineup, the Dodgers would have a lineup that would have passed muster with the 1964 Berkeley Free Speech protesters.
2008-05-11 10:28:13
137.   Howard Fox
I have always felt the pitching staff was our weak point. With the exception of a few games here and there, the team has scored enough runs to be competitive and win. It's the pitching that has let games get away.

Billingsley is terrific but raw. In a couple of years with him, Kershaw, McDonald, we may turn into a juggernaut. But for now we are relying on Penny, Lowe, Kuroda, Park...I don't have faith that they are the ticket now.

Torre has settled the team down for the most part, especially in comparison to last year. But he has this thing for Pierre and, at this point, Jones, that I don't get.

2008-05-11 10:32:05
138.   Icaros

Penny and Lowe are the same as always. More often than not pretty good, but sometimes terrible. Billingsley has some great peripherals, but still is having command issues. Kuroda is so far the mediocrity I expected. Our fifth starter is Loaiza/Kuo, neither of whom has been a surprise to me either.

What has happened this season that is so unexpected?

2008-05-11 10:32:51
139.   ChicagoDodger
137 When you say "always" do you mean for the last couple of seasons, or do you mean since "this" season has begun?

C'mon, you know exactly what the "thing" Torre has for Pierre and Jones is. I'll give you a hint: It starts with 27 and ends with million dollars.

2008-05-11 10:34:05
140.   Sagehen
Horray! Ethier is in! Finally!!!

Jones is mercifully benched.

Young gets his first start of the season. Kent has been slumping lately and could use the day off.

Funny how much more optimistic I am with this lineup, even with Kent and Furcal out.

Please Pee Wee. Play halfway decent defense today.

Please Andrea, have a good day and force them to keep you in there.

Enough invocations for today.

2008-05-11 10:35:02
141.   Sagehen
140 Make that Please Andre, have a good day. I didn't mean to turn him into a girl.
2008-05-11 10:36:14
142.   underdog
It's really tough going this whole series without Furcal. I do like having Young in there today; finally Pee Wee gets a start. But it's still hard without Raffy. Let's see what they can do.

137 - I agree the future could be brighter with pitching, though I also think Penny and Lowe will settle down this year. I also don't know if I'd blame Torre fully for having "a thing for Pierre and Jones" when Colletti gave him both those guys with huge contracts, and frankly one of them has to start at least, even if Ethier and Kemp are both in there (I know, I like Pee Wee and others here like Repko, but to be realistic...)

2008-05-11 10:37:21
143.   Howard Fox
139 always, as in always

Penny is a great first half pitcher, Lowe is terrific in the clutch in the offseason (alot of help that is), Kuroda's mediocrity is his ceiling, Kuo is terrific until he breaks down, Park is a disaster waiting to happen...

yeah, always says it

2008-05-11 10:39:57
144.   Howard Fox
not offseason, I meant postseason...same thing around
2008-05-11 10:41:58
145.   ChicagoDodger
138 For starters (no pun intended) Penny's era at 4.79. In Penny you have a consistently great 1st half pitcher who chucks it in after the All Star break and because of his stellar 1st half ends up with nice looking stats. Now he is starting out terrible! Unexpected? I'd think so! A #1 has to be consistent? Will he ever step up and be a #1?

Lowe a supposed #2 has a 4.43 era and has failed miserably in his last 3 starts! #2 starters should be more consistent then that! Will he ever step up and be a true #2?

Billingsley's era is approaching 5 and while many expected some bumps, I don't think they expected this.

If this was all they expected from Kuroda, then why spend the money? Certainly there had to be higher expectation (if not from you) then this! Maybe he can keep his own era under 4 today?

2008-05-11 10:44:03
146.   underdog
And my soccer team won this morning 10-8(!) so maybe that'll be a sign of something. Or not.

I hope today's a better day for Lakers and Dodgers fan than was Friday.

2008-05-11 10:44:51
147.   Howard Fox


he's still young

ask Ned

2008-05-11 10:44:57
148.   underdog
Fire Rick Honeycutt!


2008-05-11 10:49:47
149.   Icaros

You're asking, "Will he ever step up and be a true #1 or #2?"

That means they never have. So why are you surprised that Penny and Lowe still haven't?

Also, I think you confuse "consistent" with thinking a pitcher is going to never get bombed or have a series of lousy starts in a row. They almost all do this. An ERA of 3.50 does not mean a pitcher gives up exactly three-and-a-half runs every nine innings he pitches. Sometimes he gives up zero in nine, then gives up seven over his next nine.

2008-05-11 10:55:52
150.   Icaros

Good god, is it still dark out when you guys start playing?

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2008-05-11 10:58:33
151.   berkowit28
Gagné takes himself out of closer role

'Minutes later, Gagne took his manager completely off the hook with a pronouncement that was evident to anybody who has watched his work of late.

"I don't deserve that ninth inning right now. It's very simple," said Gagne, who surrendered two ninth-inning runs that allowed St. Louis to pull out a 5-3 victory at Miller Park. '

2008-05-11 10:59:37
152.   MollyKnight
Russ Martin has a .474 OBP in the last month.
2008-05-11 11:03:57
153.   ChicagoDodger
149 I was commenting on "THE" expectation level of the Dodger starters. Not mine! I know how I feel about Penny & Lowe and it is pretty much the same as how you and Howard feel. But I can't believe that is what "most" Dodger fans think of those 2, and it is impossible to think that is how Ned and McCourt feel.

And I am not confusing consistent. Of course a pitcher can have a bad outing. But in the context of this season, those occasional bad outings should not lead to a cumulative era approaching 5 on a supposed good pitching staff.

2008-05-11 11:04:10
154.   Bob Timmermann
The Cardinals-Brewers series may be the first time that the closers on each team lost their jobs in one series.
2008-05-11 11:05:31
155.   Ken Noe
120 Pretty much who ever Torre wants, I assume. Brian Cashman? Logan White hopefully?
2008-05-11 11:11:04
156.   Bob Timmermann
Why would Torre want to work with Cashman again? It's not like they were pals when Torre left New York.
2008-05-11 11:12:23
157.   D4P
I will chuckle if Ned and Sabean get fired and then switch places.
2008-05-11 11:14:49
158.   Ken Noe
156 Thanks Bob, I studiously avoid the Yankees and associated hoopla.
2008-05-11 11:15:44
159.   underdog
150 Not at 845am; merely freezing and foggy. (I actually prefer that to playing when it's really hot, though.) However, my brain was still half asleep, or basically dark.

157 Great, someone even worse than Colletti. I would just start bashing my head against a tree and never stop.

2008-05-11 11:17:29
160.   underdog
That's the thing. While there are some consistently good GMs out there, most of them are a flawed lot. Some of them could be even worse than our current boss. I do like the idea of hiring from within, though, if they do make a change in the offseason.

Okay, time for a nap to prep for the afternoon o' sports.

2008-05-11 11:19:15
161.   Icaros

If it isn't your expectation, then I guess I don't understand why you are arguing on its behalf.

The starters have a cumulative ERA approaching 5 in early May. Numbers fluctuate over the course of a season. Up and down. Down and up. You originally stated that it was time to panic, and I don't think that time has come yet.

2008-05-11 11:26:18
162.   MC Safety
To C.C., or not to C.C.

That is the question.

2008-05-11 11:31:18
163.   Bob Timmermann
And the Angels finally score a run in St. Pete! They're still behind 3-1.
2008-05-11 11:31:45
164.   Andrew Shimmin
Rain, rain, go away
I wanna watch my D'backs play. . .
2008-05-11 11:35:08
165.   Jon Weisman
2008-05-11 11:43:44
166.   68elcamino427
Wow, everyone at the Times comes down on Andruw at once! Torre's comments sure don't back up Jones, but then with the performance that we're seeing, how can he?
If Jones doesn't pick it up, he will only be able to play on the road. The din from the roar of the booing at home is already unbearable and it can get worse.
If 200 at bats is the goal, he should get them at Las Vegas or Jacksonville. Put him on the DL for a bad back or any other excuse and then have him go on an extended rehab assignment. Anyone that can make consistent contact is an improvement now, be it Pierre, Young, LaRoche, or ...
Can the Dodgers continue to put an automatic out in the line-up at this stage of the season?

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