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Growin' Up
2008-05-11 11:29
by Jon Weisman

Today's lineup:

Juan Pierre, LF (30)
Andre Ethier, RF (26)
Matt Kemp, CF (23)
James Loney, 1B (24 last week)
Russell Martin, C (25)
Blake DeWitt, 3B (22)
Delwyn Young, 2B (25)
Chin-Lung Hu, SS (24)
Hiroki Kuroda, P (33)

* * *

Via Blue Heaven and Gaslamp Ball, Paul DePodesta has started a blog: It Might Be Dangerous... You Go First.

I began thinking about hosting a blog about a year ago, and back in January I took the first big step by starting an internal blog for employees of the Padres. The idea all along was to someday create an external blog to engage in a direct dialogue with our fans. Well, given the events of the past few weeks, that "someday" is now.

* * *

Astros at Dodgers, 1:10 p.m.

Comments (604)
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2008-05-11 11:37:27
1.   D4P
Wow, Depo even responds to comments.
2008-05-11 11:38:17
2.   Bob Timmermann
DePodesta doesn't have the quote from "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom" quite right. I believe it's "Asps. Very dangerous. You go first."
2008-05-11 11:40:21
3.   Andrew Shimmin
Oh Bob. . .

2008-05-11 11:41:01
4.   Icaros

Not bad for such a horrible communicator.

2008-05-11 11:42:50
5.   D4P
Well, no one ever questioned Bloggle Boy's ability to communicate via computer...
2008-05-11 11:45:50
6.   Bob Timmermann
I blame the Indiana Jones trailer I saw last night.

I'm worried about that film because in the trailer, Indiana Jones describes a "crystal skull, made out of solid gold."

How can something crystal be also made of gold?

2008-05-11 11:51:02
7.   The Saul
I like our lineup today, with the exception of Furcal not playing. Nevertheless, I think we're gonna have a good day.
2008-05-11 11:54:49
8.   Linkmeister
"You are old, Father William..." from "Alice."

With two exceptions every starter is half my age or younger.

2008-05-11 11:54:52
9.   Andrew Shimmin
I'm completely indifferent to the new Indiana Jones movie. In a couple of years when it's on TNT every weekend for a month, I might watch it. Or I might wait till three months after that, when it's on every weekend for a month, again.

Has anybody seen the new David Mamet movie? Do you have to care about these newfangled fighting games to like it?

2008-05-11 11:56:54
10.   KingKopitar
Speaking of, they're running an Indy marathon backwards on USA. Temple of Doom is on right now and just started. "Dr. Jones, no time for love!"
2008-05-11 11:58:41
11.   Bob Timmermann
I even misidentified the movie that DePodesta's blog is not named after.

I will go back to working on the NY Times crossword puzzle.

2008-05-11 12:00:09
12.   D4P
I guess it's not surprising that comments on Depo's blog must be approved by a moderator before showing up.
2008-05-11 12:01:39
13.   Icaros
Amy Poehler played a hilarious Short Round last night on SNL.
2008-05-11 12:08:35
14.   LoneStar7
wow so its youth movement day, this should be a very exciting game for all those excited about letting almost all the young guys take the field, myself included.

Anyway I'll be back around 1ish gonna focus on the lakers for about half an hour first.

2008-05-11 12:09:53
15.   Dodger Dawg
Not a bad line-up. I only wish we had a different left fielder. Left field is a power position, not a dribbler position.
2008-05-11 12:10:42
16.   fanerman
2008-05-11 12:12:31
17.   underdog
6 "How can something crystal be also made of gold?" Hah. I thought the same thing when I heard that. Obviously, we're missing a key piece of information that will be explained in the film. Uh, right?

I'm so glad they brought back Karen Allen, and didn't bring back Kate Capshaw.

One of my colleagues said he used to be called "Short Round" as a kid, which he took in a positive way though it seems like it might be insulting.

Stupid naps. Never long enough.

2008-05-11 12:13:21
18.   KingKopitar
I'm personally okay with Delwyn Young not getting that much playing time. He's never really going to be an everyday player, so he might as well get used to it now, right? Still, it's nice to see him at 2nd today; it'll definitely give Hu a chance to show off his range.
2008-05-11 12:14:30
19.   Icaros

I knew a Short Round also. I think every school district had one when we were growing up.

2008-05-11 12:18:33
20.   D4P
Kate Capshaw was pretty bad, though I remember thinking she looked good in the red dress during the "Anything Goes" song.
2008-05-11 12:20:23
21.   Dodger Dawg
IMO, the Dodgers would be better off with no GM rather than Ned!
2008-05-11 12:24:58
22.   underdog
DodgerThoughts for group GM!

Take that Bissinger!

2008-05-11 12:27:45
23.   Bumsrap
From reading Depo's blog, one would get the idea that the Pads need a CF--just how bad do they need a CF I wonder.

Is Young so bad that Joe couldn't figure a way to play him at second until today?

Somewhere in the Times or Dodger web site it states that Dodgers continue to be at least open to a trade for a third baseman.

2008-05-11 12:28:22
24.   Sammy Maudlin
The Dodgers average age in today's lineup is 25.7. The Las Vegas lineup today is averaging an age of 27.4 and they are facing Jeff Weaver.
2008-05-11 12:30:42
25.   Bumsrap
21 - Ned just needs time. I don't think it is anything physical. Leave him alone until he quits whiffing. Can't expect a new GM to come to a new team and put up historical numbers. Let Ned hit .168 for awhile.
2008-05-11 12:39:53
26.   underdog
Gack, I hate the Jazz fans. Boo everything -- from any hard foul, to anything Derek Fisher does (real classy) to any call that doesn't go their way. I really, really don't want the Lakers to lose this one today.
2008-05-11 12:42:42
27.   D4P
I really, really don't want the Lakers to lose this one today

They'll probably lose every game in Utah, but they should pull out the series in 7 games.

2008-05-11 12:42:53
28.   ToyCannon
Those line drive outs by Beltran are now starting to find the fans and the gaps.
2008-05-11 12:43:43
29.   Bob Hendley
23 - IMHO it's a last resort type move. The didn't like the ST experiment, apparently, and with the injuries at third (Andy, Nomar, Abrue) decided that Hu needed to stay in the Bigs and that he would back up Kent. With Rafi still out and Kent needing a day off... he played there a little the other day during one of the blow outs.
2008-05-11 12:46:09
30.   underdog
27 - Looking like it. But Steven A. Smith predicted that, too, so I figured it was wrong.
2008-05-11 12:48:07
31.   Ken Noe
21 22 I'm sticking with Branch Rickey. If McCourt had hired the deceased HOFer instead of Ned, our starting lineup would be:

C Martin (backup Navarro)
1B Loney
2B Kent
3B LaRoche
OF Kemp
OF Werth
OF Bradley? Repko? D Young?
P Penny/Lowe/Bills/Jackson/McDonald or Kershaw

Of course with the dead guy we would have never had Furcal, Saito, and Ethier. But on the other hand, we would have never had Tomko, Hendrickson, Lugo, Jones, Schmidt, Pierre, Baez, Gonzo, or Bennett either.

2008-05-11 12:51:27
32.   Sammy Maudlin
Could Jason Johnson be the starting pitcher for the Dodgers this Friday against the Angles? After a terrible start with Vegas, he has been very good in his last 4 starts.
2008-05-11 12:52:07
33.   ToyCannon
BR would have gotten rid of Kent two years ago.
2008-05-11 12:53:46
34.   Ken Noe
33 He certainly wouldn't have re-signed Nomar.
2008-05-11 12:53:56
35.   underdog
At least the Jazz PA person likes to blast Phil Collins on breaks. That is rockin' good stuff, very hep to what the kids are listening to.
2008-05-11 12:53:59
36.   MC Safety

To C.C., or not to C.C.?


2008-05-11 12:55:32
37.   ToyCannon
Looks like the Tampa Bay team grew up a year earlier then expected.
This is a team that could really use Barry Bonds. Fickle relief pitchers, they went from the worse relief staff in baseball to one of the best in one winter.
2008-05-11 12:55:55
38.   Johnny Nucleo
6 13 Well, the atoms of elemental gold do form a crystalline lattice, as do other metals such as iron, copper, lead, etc. So it is not technically incorrect to call gold a crystal.

No doubt that's the explanation the writers of the film had in mind. ;)

2008-05-11 12:57:31
39.   Ken Noe
Upon further review, McCourt still would have gotten rid of Bradley, and with the same scouts in place, we'd have Ethier in left. Mr. Rickey's team looks even better.
2008-05-11 12:58:43
40.   D4P
Why do basketball teams commit so many more fouls on the road than they do at home? I guess we'll never know...
2008-05-11 13:05:06
41.   MC Safety
Go Milton Bradley! Another 2b today. What a fine baseball player.

He's clearly on top of his game when he can pick up Gerald Laird like he did the other day without injuring something.

2008-05-11 13:05:22
42.   LoneStar7
40 Because the refs have butchered these calls the whole first quarter...
2008-05-11 13:06:38
43.   underdog
36 This team could use a certain amount of CC's of adrenaline. Not sure about CC Sabathia, though. He's another one of those "little girl with the curls" pitchers, as Vin would say. I'd rather not overpay for yet another pitcher soon on his downswing. But I have liked the guy in the past.
2008-05-11 13:07:21
44.   MC Safety
40 It's crunch time for Utah, they are really strapping down.
2008-05-11 13:08:28
45.   underdog
42 What do you mean? Can't you tell by the amount of booing from Jazz fans that the calls aren't going the Jazz' way?

And another thing! Why are they still called the Jazz? Is there a big bebop tradition in Salt Lake? Did Coltrane play there once? (Yeah, I know, really old rant, I'm pulling them out from my anti-Jazz files today.) Can't they just trade nicknames with the current New Orleans team?

2008-05-11 13:09:51
46.   ToyCannon
Evidently Price is unaware that this is a playoff game.
What a bogus call by the refs. Is the girls basketball?
2008-05-11 13:10:14
47.   gpellamjr
My last season as a Lakers fan was 98-99 (yeah, yeah, I chose a great season to stop, I know). One thing I do not miss is the agony of playoff series against Utah. This is really ugly.
2008-05-11 13:10:19
48.   Icaros
I really don't think that was worthy of an ejection for Turiaf.
2008-05-11 13:10:49
49.   ToyCannon
Coming from a LAKER fan that is just a silly question.
2008-05-11 13:11:08
50.   LoneStar7
these refs are hopefully gonna lose their jobs after that big time mess up
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2008-05-11 13:11:39
51.   ToyCannon
The Lakers are so going to rip them up after this.
2008-05-11 13:14:46
52.   LoneStar7
45 haha i assume that was sarcasm, but yea the jazz fans boo everything, they booed Fish, a playoff hero for taking care of his daughter.

The jazz fans are the most classless, and un knowledgable group of buffoons out there..

2008-05-11 13:15:22
53.   Icaros
Wow, it's been a few years. I even rooted for them last year to beat Golden State, but I am back into full Utah Jazz hating mode now.
2008-05-11 13:15:48
54.   Jon Weisman
Did Kurt Rambis remind anyone what a hard foul feels like?
2008-05-11 13:16:10
55.   Ken Noe
Utah. Jazz. The dissonance is enough to drive any fan base mad.

Snakes losing again.

2008-05-11 13:17:35
56.   underdog
52 Mos def sarcasm, yes.

Yeah, I really don't mind them incessantly booing Kobe, I mean, whatever, but booing Fisher everytime he comes in, every time he has the ball? Just classless.

That ejection of Turiaf was a joke. Was it because he said something afterwards? If it was for the foul itself, that's ludicrous.

2008-05-11 13:18:10
57.   underdog
Btw, nice first inning for Hiroki there, praise the lawd!
2008-05-11 13:18:55
58.   pen
A scoreless first inning.

Things are looking up!

2008-05-11 13:19:02
59.   Icaros
Odom's free throw shooting makes me want to gouge out my eyes.
2008-05-11 13:20:17
60.   Bob Timmermann
From the NBA's website:
Flagrant Fouls: These fouls are considered unnecessary and/or excessive. There are two types of flagrant fouls, 1 and 2. A flagrant 1 is unnecessary contact. This is usually when a defensive player swings and makes hard contact with the offensive player or makes hard contact and then follows through. A flagrant foul 2 is unnecessary and excessive contact. This usually has a swinging motion, hard contact, and a follow through. Both fouls carry a penalty of two free throws and the team that was fouled retains possession. A flagrant foul 2 also results in an ejection of the player committing the foul. A player also is ejected if he commits two flagrant foul penalty 1's.
2008-05-11 13:20:18
61.   LoneStar7
56 i think because of the foul..Turiaf I thought tried to extend his hand, I mean I dont think he had any intention of hurting him, I'm pretty sure he cut his face on the floor..?
2008-05-11 13:23:11
62.   LoneStar7
our team free throw shooting is eye gouge worthy..
2008-05-11 13:23:23
63.   Icaros
Make that everybody's free throw shooting.
2008-05-11 13:25:26
64.   LoneStar7
meanwhile, lets see what james can do
2008-05-11 13:25:26
65.   Gen3Blue
Ethier shouldn't be able to play well under this constant pressure, but he just keeps delivering.
2008-05-11 13:25:39
66.   JJ42
Loney's theme song for today "Hey Mama" by Kanye West - Awesome
2008-05-11 13:26:40
67.   ChicagoDodger
After Ethier's single, Vin said "it has to be hard for Ethier, with 4 outfielders, one of them has to sit."

Did I miss something? When did the Dodgers get "4" outfielders?

2008-05-11 13:27:20
68.   LoneStar7
YES james, too bad on the steal, but still..
2008-05-11 13:27:29
69.   Gen3Blue
Just a line drive!
2008-05-11 13:28:07
70.   Ken Noe
67 Course he also stressed how cold Pierre has been of late.
2008-05-11 13:28:31
71.   Bob Hendley
The kids are alright!
2008-05-11 13:28:56
72.   bablue
Obviously hindsight is 20/20, but it hurts giving away an out with a pitcher who can't get an out and a good hitter up.
2008-05-11 13:29:52
73.   Michael D
Hopefully Kuroda goes at least 6 strong today.
2008-05-11 13:32:02
74.   underdog
There's some power for ya! Thank you, Loney.

(Sorry, a bit delayed, was watching the Lakers game. Another attention deficit disorder sports day.)

2008-05-11 13:35:08
75.   Jon Weisman
Hooray, baseball!

(Just felt like saying that.)

2008-05-11 13:35:19
76.   Gen3Blue
I'm all for sitting Furcal for some extra days if he's taking care of his back. I bet most loder guys know how easy it is to get something semi-chronic going with the back. I just have nightmares of Furc going the rest of the year with an OPS in the 600's and next spring announcing, hey last year was hard, because I could never swing right.
2008-05-11 13:36:08
77.   Gen3Blue
76 make that older guys---or loader guy.
2008-05-11 13:37:03
78.   ToyCannon
Hopefully we have seen the last of Kent as a clean up hitter. We have better options these days then a 40 year old 2nd baseman.
2008-05-11 13:37:41
79.   dodgerinlv
Anyone else annoyed with that moving camera that ABC is using in the laker game?
2008-05-11 13:37:54
80.   MC Safety
75 Jon enjoying a hard earned Red Stripe?
2008-05-11 13:40:21
81.   Gen3Blue
Ah, I get to say; there, someone made it through the second inning this time through the rotation.
2008-05-11 13:44:02
82.   dodgerinlv
nice Kobe
2008-05-11 13:44:10
83.   Icaros
Hell of a first half in SLC.
2008-05-11 13:44:28
84.   ToyCannon
I love being able to click back and forth between Laker playoff basketball and a Dodger game.
2008-05-11 13:45:51
85.   scareduck
Hu are you, and what have you done with Rafael Furcal?

Lousy GIDP there, buddy.

2008-05-11 13:46:38
86.   scareduck
84 - picture-in-picture is very cool.

Provided you don't have a Scientific Atlanta set-top box.

2008-05-11 13:46:38
87.   Bob Timmermann
Tony Jackson blogs that the fans in the stadium booed a taped message by Andruw Jones wishing people a happy Mother's Day.

2008-05-11 13:47:17
88.   underdog
Hu, boy.

84 - I have to switch back and forth between the TV and my computer, so it's a little more challenging, but still fun.

2008-05-11 13:47:43
89.   Bob Timmermann
D-Backs are back up 4-2 and the Cubs pitchers have lost sight of the strike zone.
2008-05-11 13:48:17
90.   Pepperdine
has anyone else thought about the similarities between martin's emergence during navarro's injury (jumping from AA, right?) and dewitt's emergence during nomar/loroche's injuries? If I remember right a lot of people were higher on navarro than martin, and it seems like a lot of people are higher on laroche right now.
2008-05-11 13:49:15
91.   MC Safety
Is Short Chris Young all of the sudden a BB machine now that he's been moved to the third spot?
2008-05-11 13:50:29
92.   LoneStar7
84 do you have both streaming live on the computer?
2008-05-11 13:50:36
93.   Bob Timmermann
One of SCY's walks today was intentional. With one out, Piniella ordered a walk to SCY to load the bases for Conor Jackson.

I'm not quite sure what the thought process was behind that decision.

2008-05-11 13:51:31
94.   Sammy Maudlin
Andy Laroche just homered off Jeff Weaver.
2008-05-11 13:53:45
95.   MC Safety
87 Ruthless.
2008-05-11 13:53:48
96.   D4P
Interesting start for Kuroda.
2008-05-11 13:53:57
97.   ryu
79 Me too. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. Times 100.
2008-05-11 13:54:19
98.   nofatmike
94 His OPS in AAA is now 1.132. Keep that in mind when the Dodgers call-up Nomar.
2008-05-11 13:54:25
99.   Gen3Blue
The Stro's seem to mostly be taking until they get a called strike. It would be better to oblige them on the first pitch, as Maddox would. But I shouldn't complain about Kuroda--he's great so far.
2008-05-11 13:56:24
100.   underdog
94 So when's the Andy Countdown begin?

I still predict he's up before Nomar. Or at least, Nomar won't remain healthy for long when he does come back.

Kuroda's great start couldn't have come at a better time, desperately needed and great to see. Keep it up, Hiro!

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2008-05-11 13:57:07
101.   Bob Hendley
87 - Torre's doing. Maybe his strategy is to wipe the smile off of Druw's face?
2008-05-11 13:57:50
102.   LoneStar7
Dre two for two
2008-05-11 13:57:56
103.   dodgerinlv
Either for Prez
2008-05-11 13:58:08
104.   MC Safety
93 Lol. And Jackson has already tripled...huh.
2008-05-11 13:58:16
105.   JJ42
Ethier. Enough said.
2008-05-11 13:58:55
106.   underdog
This Ethier fellow can hit pretty well. It would be neat or peachy to see him start more often. I'd be keen on that.
2008-05-11 13:58:57
107.   ToyCannon
I think if you check the archives DT folk were very high on Martin. When I tried to trade him for Tejada during his AA year I was strung up on a pole. And it appears with good reason.

Headed into todays game the Cubs and Astro's were looking to sweep the two best teams in the West. I never would have thought that was possible on March 15th .

2008-05-11 13:59:09
108.   dodgerinlv
At this rate, Nomar will be playing SS when he returns.
2008-05-11 13:59:10
109.   JJ42
And I like Andre's new theme song too
2008-05-11 14:01:19
110.   ChicagoDodger
Who is this Ethier guy? Did the Dodgers just acquire him? He seems like one of the best Dodger hitters! They wouldn't keep a hitter like that on the bench now would they?
2008-05-11 14:01:38
111.   underdog
109 - What is it? I missed it.
2008-05-11 14:03:18
112.   dodgerinlv
Anyone think Sasha would do a better job on Williams then Farmar when Fisher is out?
2008-05-11 14:06:18
113.   LoneStar7
112 Sascha would get in foul trouble trying to guard deron in my opinion..
2008-05-11 14:06:20
114.   Andrew Shimmin
I don't remember people being higher on Navarro than Martin. I remember there being some discussion of whether Martin was already better than Navarro (in 2006), or whether he needed more seasoning to be, but I thought it was broadly accepted that Martin had a higher ceiling.
2008-05-11 14:07:10
115.   MC Safety
LaRoche playing the part of Anton Sigur.
2008-05-11 14:07:41
116.   Bob Timmermann
I don't believe the field mikes were on enough of a delay to prevent Tejada saying a Rule 1 violation.

Not that I would blame him in that situation.

2008-05-11 14:16:38
117.   Bob Timmermann
Is Martin's eyeblack all smeared or is his stubble just merging with it?
2008-05-11 14:17:45
118.   underdog
That's the Golden God we all know and love.
2008-05-11 14:18:35
119.   Bob Timmermann
I was worried that I was the only person watching the Dodgers.

I have abandonment issues you know.

2008-05-11 14:19:56
120.   scareduck
Even DeWitt's outs are pretty solid at-bats.
2008-05-11 14:20:21
121.   Bob Hendley
{116] - Does he curse in English?
2008-05-11 14:20:31
122.   underdog
I'm here for you. Or at least half my attention span is; the other half is with the Lakers. I also have one cat watching the Dodgers and the other watching the Lakers, just in case I miss anything.
2008-05-11 14:20:44
123.   scareduck
Thanks, Miggy.
2008-05-11 14:20:59
124.   dodgerinlv
2nd chance?
2008-05-11 14:21:39
125.   dodgerinlv
3rd chance for Young?
2008-05-11 14:21:44
126.   waterboy100
6 the skull is made of crystal, the temple is made of solid gold.

and its good to see the dodgers are winning.

2008-05-11 14:21:52
127.   Bob Timmermann
None of the Spanish curse words I know rhyme with "duck."
2008-05-11 14:22:10
128.   scareduck
121 - chinga tu mother?
2008-05-11 14:22:15
129.   Ricardo
119. I´m watching it too, Bob.
2008-05-11 14:22:35
130.   underdog
Pee Wee got a break on that foul pop up. Be nice if he can take advantage.
2008-05-11 14:23:01
131.   Bob Timmermann
OK, well I can go take a nap now.
2008-05-11 14:23:31
132.   underdog
What I just typed, the sequel.
2008-05-11 14:24:51
133.   LoneStar7
yikes no a great swing by pee wee
2008-05-11 14:25:03
134.   Gen3Blue
I think Delwyn needs more work to stay in tune, as he seems to be consistanly under everything.
2008-05-11 14:25:06
135.   JJ42
122 They might be watching but may be reluctant to tell you what happened.

111 I'm a bit embarrassed cuz I always thought of myself as a hip hop aficionado but the name of the song escapes me. Maybe the next time up it'll trigger my memory.

2008-05-11 14:25:07
136.   scareduck
132 - not so much.
2008-05-11 14:26:44
137.   underdog
Back to the Lakers now for a bit. Wheeee!
2008-05-11 14:28:49
138.   Bob Hendley
131 - So will I, once the game becomes a little bit less interesting.
2008-05-11 14:30:06
139.   LoneStar7
I'm a little nervous about this kobe injury, we just cant seem to get over that hump
2008-05-11 14:31:43
140.   MSarg29
ump has a pretty tight zone. Kuroda has twice today thought he caught Pence looking on that slider on the outside corner.
2008-05-11 14:31:47
141.   waterboy100
139 what happened to kobe?
2008-05-11 14:32:07
142.   nofatmike
139 What happened with Kobe?
2008-05-11 14:32:09
143.   Jon Weisman
I've been watching the baseball game since the first inning and quite enjoying it. Go baseball!
2008-05-11 14:32:27
144.   dodgerinlv
Even with Kobe, I still like the Lakers chances better today than Friday when they wre totally out of sync
2008-05-11 14:34:11
145.   Bob Hendley
135 - Yes, as regards the Dodgers game, the cat needs to remain in the bag.
2008-05-11 14:35:17
146.   bablue
Homer ties it at Wrigley!
2008-05-11 14:39:13
147.   Gen3Blue
Was that our third base coach with a big wad of something in his cheek, looking like Popeye, chewing spinach?
2008-05-11 14:41:09
148.   scareduck
Ethier is a terrible player. Torre should have played Andruw Jones instead.
2008-05-11 14:41:16
149.   LoneStar7
141 142 sore in the back came up limping a couple times too, hes shooting well but in visible pain...he'll bring it at the end, but the bench is sucking it up right now.
2008-05-11 14:41:41
150.   scareduck
147 - yeah, I think it was something that causes breast cancer.
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2008-05-11 14:44:06
151.   Bob Timmermann
Hey, it's the sixth inning. And the Dodgers starting pitcher is still out there.


2008-05-11 14:45:24
152.   D4P
And he's pitching a no-runner...!
2008-05-11 14:45:57
153.   Bob Timmermann
Perhaps the stuff in Bowa's mouth will give him galactorrhea.
2008-05-11 14:46:06
154.   Marty
Classic Vin. "It's going to get interesting here in the old plantation"
2008-05-11 14:46:22
155.   underdog
143 Sorry for the Simpsons reference but that made me think of Ralph Wiggums' infamous "Go banana!" when there was a "fruit race" on the floor of Otto's school bus.

Go baseball, indeed!

2008-05-11 14:46:59
156.   Marty
I just turned to the Laker game in time to see Walton get squashed like a bug. I will not watch any more of the game.
2008-05-11 14:48:53
157.   Bob Timmermann
I shall not doubt Vin.

Kazuo Matsui did indeed play in a lot of games consecutively in Japan.

2008-05-11 14:49:05
158.   underdog
I'd be less nervous if the Dodgers weren't only up 2-0.
2008-05-11 14:51:22
159.   LoneStar7
nice pitch hiro!
2008-05-11 14:51:33
160.   underdog

Nice come back, Hiro!

2008-05-11 14:52:01
161.   scareduck
WRT the Marines ads... as Helen says, Soundtrack not included.
2008-05-11 14:52:24
162.   Bob Hendley
Yes, K that foul-mouthed Stro!
2008-05-11 14:55:04
163.   Linkmeister
Mom, Sis, Niece and I are watching this between bites of take-out Eggs Benedict, and I think I'm the only one in the room who notices the R-H-E line score and thinks there might be something unusual here.
2008-05-11 15:00:26
164.   scareduck
That was embarrassing.

I'm going to go to a bookstore and get Glenn Stout's history of the Cubs.

2008-05-11 15:02:38
165.   Bob Timmermann
Cubs with the bases loaded and Pie up with one out in the 8th.
2008-05-11 15:02:40
166.   Bob Hendley
163 - One of underdog's cats noticed the same, but has its own tongue.
2008-05-11 15:03:46
167.   Bob Timmermann
Old Friend Ward comes off the bench to double in two. Cubs 6-4 in the 8th.
2008-05-11 15:03:58
168.   scareduck
Daryle Ward finds a way to help the Dodgers in Chicago, giving the Cubbies the lead 6-4 on a two-run bases-loaded single.
2008-05-11 15:05:15
169.   LoneStar7
cubs up 2
2008-05-11 15:05:18
170.   scareduck
168 - s/single/double/
2008-05-11 15:05:30
171.   Gilberto Reyes
I love the Cubs!
2008-05-11 15:05:40
172.   waterboy100
lakers are making it interesting heading down the stretch. 104-100 utah
2008-05-11 15:08:07
173.   scareduck
There goes Kuroda's no-hitter.
2008-05-11 15:08:24
174.   Gilberto Reyes
Amazing that we have a chance to actually gain ground on Arizona after the last 3 games.
2008-05-11 15:08:30
175.   Bob Hendley
Lakers' game, also interesting.
2008-05-11 15:08:46
176.   LoneStar7
holy cow...ok i say three, no overtime in this building...just take the three or go back to staples i say
2008-05-11 15:09:34
177.   underdog
Ah well. That was a hanger, and a clean hit. Whatcha gonna do. Let's just get out of this one with a win, most important of all.
2008-05-11 15:10:26
178.   LoneStar7
oh wow alright one stop, no foul, watch those back doors, and for goodness sake make sure you give help D on deron!
2008-05-11 15:10:40
179.   Bob Timmermann
Lawler's Law favors Utah.
2008-05-11 15:11:49
180.   Bob Timmermann
Uh oh, World Series Hero™ coming up to bat.
2008-05-11 15:12:09
181.   dodgerinlv
OT in Utah
2008-05-11 15:12:25
182.   Bob Timmermann
Free basketball in Salt Lake City!
2008-05-11 15:12:56
183.   underdog
Lamar Odom has been fantastic today. Game ball to that man. Wow, what a game.
2008-05-11 15:14:15
184.   Bob Timmermann
Weren't people gouging out their eyes like a desperate actor trying out for a part in "Oedipus Rex" earlier in the day?
2008-05-11 15:14:20
185.   LoneStar7
183 well if we have a game ball to give yes, we'll see what happens though.
2008-05-11 15:14:52
186.   D4P
Too bad he was only 5-10 from the line...
2008-05-11 15:14:58
187.   Marty
I can't see, but it feels like Bob said something sarcastic.
2008-05-11 15:15:05
188.   Bob Timmermann
Cubs win 6-4 to sweep Arizona.
2008-05-11 15:15:25
189.   LoneStar7
184 well we were saying that our free throw shooting made us want to gouge them out, and if we had shot them well, we might not not even be facing overtime right now.
2008-05-11 15:16:11
190.   whodat807
186 I think he's made up for that in spades.
2008-05-11 15:16:47
191.   Bob Timmermann
Just trying to keep up with the Mother's Day theme.
2008-05-11 15:19:23
192.   waterboy100
and we brought beimel in because....
2008-05-11 15:20:11
193.   LoneStar7
meanwhile we've got to pitch out of a jam
2008-05-11 15:20:47
194.   MollyKnight
2008-05-11 15:21:26
195.   Ken Noe
Suddenly I feel like Antigone.
2008-05-11 15:21:34
196.   waterboy100
2008-05-11 15:22:04
197.   Andrew Shimmin
If Beimel can't get out of this, Kuroda should get to shear him, in the locker room after the game.
2008-05-11 15:25:05
198.   whodat807
Well that was an adventure.
2008-05-11 15:25:19
199.   waterboy100
well, thank the lord.
2008-05-11 15:25:23
200.   Andrew Shimmin
Darn. Video of Kuroda taking a pair of clippers to Beimel would have been worth it.
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2008-05-11 15:28:54
201.   MollyKnight
Pee Wee!!!
2008-05-11 15:29:06
202.   underdog
Ay caramba.

This afternoon has involved too much sports-related stress. I think I need to meditate.

2008-05-11 15:32:35
203.   LoneStar7
holy cow i just saw how close that was to going over kemps head.
2008-05-11 15:33:18
204.   Bob Hendley
Huh? Gameday has Pee Wee sacrificing? Strange book that Torre.
2008-05-11 15:33:24
205.   waterboy100
and thats the ballgame folks. (well the laker game anyways)
2008-05-11 15:33:26
206.   underdog
Great bunt, Pee Wee!

And that rare RBI bunt with a runner at 2nd. Er, okay it's not an RBI, but still.

2008-05-11 15:33:52
207.   Gen3Blue
DeWitt- I guess the experiment where he played second in the minors didn't go well.
But he has to be considered close to ready.

Ah- that fell our way.
What an odd era this feels like to me--when a guy takes a no-no deep into the seventh, it used to be his to lose. Of course in American ball those days are long gone, as I remember Maddox gladly pully himself after six or so no-hit innings.

2008-05-11 15:35:55
208.   underdog
Yep, if the Lakers had made their free throws they would've won, though the Jazz missed some earlier, too. Tough place to play. Kobe's sore back didn't help either. The next game decides the series, basically.
2008-05-11 15:36:04
209.   LoneStar7
202 yea i know, I assume you are referring to the suspension of whether or not Goydos will hold this lead in the Players?

Excuse while i throw my computer out the window in anger, I hate the Utah Jazz..

2008-05-11 15:36:49
210.   Ken Noe
Win or lose, I salute Kuroda-san today.
2008-05-11 15:37:15
211.   underdog
Be nice to see Old Man Kent wake up a bit.
2008-05-11 15:38:22
212.   Gen3Blue
We are very lucky to get to the "good" part of the line-up. And I use that term rather loosely, I know.
2008-05-11 15:38:51
213.   Ken Noe
211 Tell him the Astro kids are on his lawn.
2008-05-11 15:38:52
214.   whodat807
210 Agreed. When he's on, he's incredible.
2008-05-11 15:42:11
215.   waterboy100
jones running for kent??
is jones that much faster than kent?
2008-05-11 15:42:36
216.   waterboy100
not that it matters anymore
2008-05-11 15:43:17
217.   Gen3Blue
I hate to say it---- but never mind-call it XXX
2008-05-11 15:44:06
218.   underdog
Or maybe Kent is also "Gritty McDoubleplay" lately. (Or at least the was nearly another one.)

And then there's Pierre, doing the same.

Yes, I believe Jones is faster than Kent, though right now probably not much. They're also probably trying to give Kent as much of a day off as he can get.

2008-05-11 15:45:19
219.   underdog
Jones in CF now, Pierre out. So at least there's that. Defense instantly improved.

okay, let's go Blue Ox!

2008-05-11 15:45:34
220.   Bob Hendley
214 - Seems to me that he has been "on" as much, if not more, that the other starters so far this year.
2008-05-11 15:47:09
221.   silverwidow
HR and 4 walks for LaRoche today
2008-05-11 15:47:44
222.   waterboy100
well, im off to take care of my philosophy final.
2008-05-11 15:48:13
223.   underdog
Argh. Can nothing be easy?

No, I guess not.

2008-05-11 15:48:44
224.   Bob Hendley
221 - I hear you knockin'....
2008-05-11 15:49:49
225.   underdog
Come ON, Broxton. Sheesh.

I should've just kept on napping.

2008-05-11 15:52:00
226.   LoneStar7
i have no emotion left, im just drained, just knock one out of the park for all i care, end my misery
2008-05-11 15:53:32
227.   MSarg29
We had all of these opportunities to break the game open and we couldn't.
2008-05-11 15:53:40
228.   bablue
I can't believe how unlucky we've been this inning!!
2008-05-11 15:55:08
229.   LoneStar7
we walk him right? or pitch to him
2008-05-11 15:56:02
230.   underdog
This is fixin' to be an utterly depressing sports weekend. I can't decide if I should laugh or cry. Perhaps I'll do both, by gum!

I'm thinking of giving up sports, becoming a monk or something. Or a eunuch. I hear that pays pretty well.

2008-05-11 15:58:00
231.   LoneStar7
why in God's green earth did we not walk him? im gonna be sick
2008-05-11 15:58:13
232.   Andrew Shimmin
He's only given up five--he's got five more before Torre bails him out.

So, you know, get comfortable.

2008-05-11 15:59:26
233.   Bob Hendley
230 - Snakes lost, that's always good.
2008-05-11 15:59:31
234.   ryu
Who is this guy pitching for us? Don't recognize him at all.
2008-05-11 16:00:22
235.   waterboy100
well, thats what i get for attempting to leave...good lord
2008-05-11 16:01:47
236.   D4P
Sheesh: even the punter gets a hit.
2008-05-11 16:03:17
237.   Disabled List
If it weren't for the D-Backs getting swept, this weekend would be an unmitigated disaster.
2008-05-11 16:04:18
238.   Andrew Shimmin
If the Twins win tonight, the Marlins will have the best record in baseball.
2008-05-11 16:04:53
239.   ChicagoDodger
I was told today that I was confusing consistent. That players sometimes have good games and sometimes have bad ones. Not all games are good. Which makes sense, though I already knew that.

Well, if this score holds up and it looks like it will, the Dodgers will have been swept on 3 different occasions (D-backs, Braves, and Astros) and also have won 8 in a row!

That almost is Webster's text book definition of streaky, and isn't streaky the opposite of consistent?

Just checking.

2008-05-11 16:05:50
240.   LoneStar7
yea but when you think about it, the only team we really wouldnt want sweeping them right now would be the cubs, if your thinking wild card
2008-05-11 16:06:42
241.   underdog
233 237 True, that's a silver lining. But then I think about how close the Dodgers could be to them if they'd even won 1 or 2 games this weekend. Sigh.
2008-05-11 16:06:57
242.   Bob Timmermann
I believe the opposite of consistent is inconsistent.
2008-05-11 16:08:07
243.   underdog
So... can the Minotaur relieve and start, and set up?

Can LaRoche play several positions at the same time?

2008-05-11 16:08:25
244.   MollyKnight
Broxton's ERA just went from 1.80 to 5.28
2008-05-11 16:08:42
245.   D4P
What's the opposite of "concetrate"...?
2008-05-11 16:09:24
246.   underdog
Well, at least this Ethier kid can hit. Perhaps he'll... oh never mind.

Man, just a couple less hits that last half inning and I'd still be excited and hopeful.

2008-05-11 16:09:30
247.   D4P
Looks like Ethier has earned himself some more vacation time.
2008-05-11 16:09:54
248.   Gen3Blue
Underdog--please laugh, thats what sports are for. I am such a wimp I took a walk at some of the crucial parts of this game, but I enjoyed it so much early on when our young guys and Kuroda did wonderful things.
I loved this game--hey Broxton has the right to blow up as rarely as he does.
This contrasted the nights I stayed up on the east coast to see the game go bye-bye in the first or second inning. This was a great game for Kuroda--and it's not over!
2008-05-11 16:10:35
249.   underdog
242 Therefore, the opposite of "continent" is...

Er, excuse me, I'll be right back.

2008-05-11 16:11:40
250.   Bob Timmermann
As noun or verb?
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2008-05-11 16:12:01
251.   underdog
248 = Well said. Good perspective check. I'm frustrated, but I'm laughing.
2008-05-11 16:13:15
252.   LoneStar7
at least theres a playoff at the 17th in the players, something interesting to say the least..
2008-05-11 16:13:46
253.   D4P
I believe Joe uses it as a verb, though ya never know.
2008-05-11 16:14:12
254.   Icaros

What difference would it make if the Dodgers won and lost every other game, or won and lost in bunches, if the end result is the same?

2008-05-11 16:16:29
255.   Gen3Blue
251 I'm glad, because I am apt to get too intense on this also, and it was only the good 7 innings that got me back on track.
2008-05-11 16:16:48
256.   underdog
Remind me again, why am I a sports fan? Good stuff happens, too, right?

Oh right, good stuff happened as recently as this past week. The thrill of victory, the agony of defeat. Today just feels more like not only the latter, but the guy wiping out tragically on the ski jump.

2008-05-11 16:17:07
257.   ChicagoDodger
254 The end result would still be the same, but the team would not be considered consistent.

Well, I guess they could be considered consistently streaky!

Ouch! That hurt to write that!

2008-05-11 16:17:45
258.   underdog
Maybe going on the road will be good for the boys in blue. I bet their bats wake up, at least. Even if it'll be a tough trip for their pitchers.
2008-05-11 16:20:00
259.   underdog
Schmidt update now up on the blog:

>>Jason Schmidt threw 12 pitches and pitched a 1-2-3 inning in his first rehab start for Class A Inland Empire, topping out at 88 mph on the radar gun.

Schmidt allowed a flyout and two groundout. He was slated to throw just one inning. It was his first outing since shoulder surgery on June 20 last year.

Schmidt threw 10 fastballs and two changeups.<<

2008-05-11 16:20:21
260.   Icaros

What do you want them to be? Would you be happier if they had the same record they have now by winning every other game as opposed to winning and losing streaks? How come?

2008-05-11 16:23:26
261.   ryu
Dodgers hit a five-run homerun in the bottom of the inning to win it. I called it.
2008-05-11 16:23:38
262.   Bob Timmermann
My brother covers St. Louis University basketball. In the 2005-2006 season, the team alternated wins and losses for the first 19 games of the season.

Eventually, the Billikens won two straight games.

2008-05-11 16:24:01
263.   silverwidow
Wow, LaRoche on base SIX times today and even stole a base. I would say he's breaking down the door.
2008-05-11 16:24:57
264.   ChicagoDodger
260 What I would like them to be and what they are are two different things!

I'd like them to be a consistent team winning around 100-105 games with 5 consistent starters a solid bullpen and a great offense!

The fact they are none of these is not my fault. Nor do I have anything to do with it.

2008-05-11 16:28:31
265.   Gen3Blue
I think most of baseball's GM's are salivating over todays Dodger line-up. Especially those with budget constraints. It will only continue to improve over the next two years, and only needs to add a few pitchers, who are already in the system.
2008-05-11 16:28:41
266.   Icaros

I'm confused, but okay.

2008-05-11 16:29:45
267.   bablue
Nice shot by Delwyn!
2008-05-11 16:29:47
268.   NorCal-Dodger
Tough day for So. Cal teams.. Lakers valiant comeback in the 4th then to plan ugly in the O.T. Dodgers cruising the bullpen throws BP in 8th and even Paul Goydos in The Players just hit into the water in a playoff on 17.
2008-05-11 16:30:16
269.   Ken Noe
Thinking positively, Kuroda-san looked the guy we all hoped he would be, Ethier made a strong argument that he should be playing more that I hope is noticed, and DeWitt remains a delightful surprise. And we're not dead yet thanks to PeeWee.
2008-05-11 16:31:23
270.   natepurcell
Wow, LaRoche on base SIX times today and even stole a base. I would say he's breaking down the door.

Considering Dewitt is putting up an OPS+ greater than might not matter what Laroche is doing.

2008-05-11 16:33:29
271.   blue22
270 - So how do you get them both in the lineup?
2008-05-11 16:33:49
272.   Ken Noe
270 Garveylopesrussellcey all came up playing different positions. The Dodgers need to find a way to play DeWitt and LaRoche.
2008-05-11 16:34:53
273.   underdog
I can't even watch this at bat live. Maybe via Gameday. That's as far as I can handle.
2008-05-11 16:35:24
274.   underdog
Or maybe I can!
2008-05-11 16:35:30
275.   blue22
273 - Is the game still going?
2008-05-11 16:35:52
276.   Ken Noe
Warning track power--heck of a catch though.
2008-05-11 16:36:04
277.   BlueCrew Bruin
Insane catch by Bourn.
2008-05-11 16:36:11
278.   underdog
Bet Sweeney hits a three run homer here to tie it.

No wait, strike that, reverse it.

2008-05-11 16:36:19
279.   natepurcell
Back in 2006 when Dewitt was playing a lot of second at Inland Empire I posted this future lineup here quite a bit...

C Martin
1b Loney
2b Dewitt
SS Furcal
3b Laroche
LF Ethier
CF Someone besides Juan
RF Kemp

2008-05-11 16:36:32
280.   ChicagoDodger
266 You seem to be saying all things being equal what is the difference which is obvious.

I'm saying, if they were consistent or maybe I should say capable of being consistent, they would not get swept so often and would not lose all these games they are losing and thus would be better.

The very fact that they are so inconsistent at least partially explains why they are not a very good team.

In my opinion good consistent teams are not prone to these types of streaks. I believe I heard in the playoffs last year (though I never bothered to look it up) that the Red Sox never lost 3 in a row until the playoffs. See consistent. Good team.

Does that help?

2008-05-11 16:36:53
281.   underdog
Stop being such teases, Dodgers!
2008-05-11 16:37:03
282.   natepurcell
Too bad neither Dewitt nor Laroche can play second base decently.
2008-05-11 16:38:08
283.   underdog
How about agreeing that we all wish the Dodgers would consistently win more games? Winning some then losing some is less preferable to winning a lot and losing not as much. Thank you, there will be a test on this tomorrow.
2008-05-11 16:38:27
284.   blue22
282 - That never stopped Kent. I mean, they're not Delwyn-bad, are they?
2008-05-11 16:38:36
285.   Ken Noe
279 Or...C Martin
1b Loney
2b Hu
SS Furcal
3b DeWitt
LF LaRoche
CF Kemp
RF Ethier
2008-05-11 16:39:18
286.   underdog
282 - And I've asked this before, but are we sure LaRoche can't? The way Kent's going right now, he could replace Kent before too long.
2008-05-11 16:40:13
287.   Gen3Blue
I've loved this game, and for them to keep fighting makes it even better.
2008-05-11 16:40:59
288.   Icaros

Eric Enders has posted some good stuff about the fallacy of thinking teams need to be "consistent" to be successful. I'd link to them in the archives, but I'm not sure that's something I can do. A. Shimmin is really good at it, though.

2008-05-11 16:42:21
289.   Icaros

Or maybe it's more focused on individual players being consistent or not. Same thing, ultimately.

2008-05-11 16:42:54
290.   Andrew Shimmin
288- I thought it was regfairfield. I was thinking about looking it up, but decided that I didn't want to, instead. Less work, that way.
2008-05-11 16:45:04
291.   JT Dutch
... Oh well, back to the bench for you, Ethier!!
2008-05-11 16:45:12
292.   underdog
Darn. Well, that was indeed a game try in the ninth and a feisty at bat by Andre, whom I hope we'll see in the lineup for the first Milwaukee game. Sigh.

Thus endeth an icky sports weekend for LA teams.

Have an afternoon, all!

2008-05-11 16:45:27
293.   Linkmeister
Bah. From a no-hitter in the 7th to a four-run loss two innings later.

Peaks and valleys stink.

2008-05-11 16:45:39
294.   Vishal
i didn't get to watch the game, but is delwyn really that bad a fielder? i remember people were raving about his improved 2nd base defense this spring...
2008-05-11 16:49:22
295.   ChicagoDodger
288 , 289 I realized in writing this that what I would really like to see the Dodgers be is good!

I have misused consistent for the word good. Boston did not win it all last year because they were consistent. They won it all because they were good.

The fact they never lost more then 2 in a row is not because they were consistent. It was simply because they were good!

When I say that I want the Dodgers to be more consistent, what I am really wanting is for them to win more often. That is all.

2008-05-11 16:50:00
296.   underdog
293 - 3 run loss, but I hear ya. That could've gone better.

294 - He seemed fine to me today. Though I didn't see every play. No errors though.

2008-05-11 16:50:01
297.   Gen3Blue
Good stuff from the game:
Ethier must be played.
Our fourth starter has more ceiling than most.
We have a large build up of things falling for the other guy.

I basically like it. I was feeling bad from staying up to watch the D's get blasted in the first two innings. This game reminded me why I love this team, and no team in the west has this potential.

2008-05-11 16:53:08
298.   Bob Hendley
285 - I like berry much the way you think.
2008-05-11 16:57:23
299.   scooplew
The Dodgers are now 4-3 in games in which they score 5 runs. Overall, they are 7-18 when they score 5 or fewer runs, 12-0 when they score 7 or more. They have not scored exactly 6 runs in any game. Breakdown:
0 runs -- 0-2
1 run -- 0-8
2 runs -- 0-1
3 runs -- 3-2
4 runs -- 0-2
5 runs -- 4-3
6 runs -- NA
7 runs -- 2-0
8 runs -- 3-0
9 runs-- 1-0
10 runs -- NA
11 runs -- 4-0
12 runs -- 1-0
13 runs -- 1-0
14 or more runs -- NA
2008-05-11 17:00:00
300.   Linkmeister
296 Oh. Guess I missed the last run scoring. I'm still frustrated.
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2008-05-11 17:00:27
301.   Bob Hendley
299 - I can't believe that we are 0-2 in games that we don't score a run. Perhaps we can ask Shimmin to check that.
2008-05-11 17:02:35
302.   Bob Timmermann
If Andruw Jones had had a hitting streak, it would not have been extended today by his one PA with a sac fly.
2008-05-11 17:04:20
303.   ryu
299 Where do you get that stuff from? Or is it a manual tally?
2008-05-11 17:04:24
304.   ChicagoDodger
299 It would appear the Dodgers have a hard time winning if the offense doesn't produce at least 7 runs. Is that an indictment of the pitching staff or the offense?
2008-05-11 17:06:07
305.   scooplew
The notion that we are having a feat or famine season is somewhat confirmed by the following:
In 2007, we scored 10 or more runs 10 times. This year in less than one-fourth of the season, we have already scored in double figures 6 times.
In 2007, we scored 0 runs or 1 run 26 times. Thus far this season that has already happened 10 times.
2008-05-11 17:07:18
306.   Vishal
299 so there's a positive correlation between scoring runs and winning games? you don't say :)
2008-05-11 17:07:18
307.   scooplew
303 I did a quick manual tally, then doublechecked it.
2008-05-11 17:08:57
308.   ryu
307 I wasn't doubting your accuracy. I just thought if there was a website where one could get that data from.
2008-05-11 17:09:41
309.   scooplew
306 No, there's a positive correlation between the notion that we are playing to the extremes far more than we did last year as well as reality to the perception that we either are woeful or powerful at the plate and infrequently somewhere in-between.
2008-05-11 17:14:06
310.   ryu
I wonder what our standard deviation of runs scored is. I bet it's higher than the league's.
2008-05-11 17:14:52
311.   Vishal
309 well, let's see... according to your tally, we've scored 2 runs or fewer 11 times, 3-6 runs 14 times, and 7+ runs 12 times. so what's a typical distribution of run-scoring for a major league team?
2008-05-11 17:18:38
312.   ChicagoDodger
I'll ask it a different way. Is the expectation that the Dodgers must score 7 or more runs to be successful? If that is true, then I'd say it is without a doubt an indictment of the pitching staff.
2008-05-11 17:20:20
313.   LoneStar7
The theme of this weekend has to be missed opportunities...The Lakers got close in both games in Salt Lake, but never got over that final hump.

The Dodgers flat out choked hard by doing nothing in the midst of an unlikely sweep of the D'backs.

sorry I'm just still really upset, we need raffy back in the lineup, ethier needs to stay in the lineup...and quick question who plays 2b base better, laroche or Dewitt?

2008-05-11 17:21:46
314.   Humma Kavula
For me, this was the most disappointing loss of the year so far, mostly because I was in attendance. I've never seen a no-hitter in person, and I still haven't.

I realize it's just another game and that tomorrow's another day and each dark cloud has a silver lining and all that, but oy, I really wanted this one.

2008-05-11 17:21:49
315.   Gen3Blue
If I make the the somewhat dangerous assumption that Lowe's,Penny's, and Bill's arms are OK, we are due for a rather impressive record for the next 40 games. I don't quite buy into how good they are, but if they are slightly above average we are due an awful lot of what some would call "luck.
2008-05-11 17:23:38
316.   Bob Hendley
312 - Not sure. I am guessing that the average runs scored by a team in the league is in the 4.5 range. When the Dodgers score 3-5 runs they break even. But then they have more in the plus 7 range than in the less than three range. Where's Shimmin?
2008-05-11 17:24:46
317.   scooplew
308 I think you asked a good question about how I came up with these numbers. I have always been intrigued by baseball statistics and it helped me become fairly proficient in math while I was growing up. By the way, there is a wonderful book about them that came out in 2004. It is called "The Numbers Game: Baseball's Fascination with Statistics," by Alan Schwarz. It offers a rich history about how statistics were used, misused and often the subject of great debates in baseball's early days.
2008-05-11 17:28:49
318.   Bob Timmermann
Coming into today's game, the average NL team scored 4.6 runs per game.
2008-05-11 17:28:49
319.   Gen3Blue
217 XXX- Pierre = about the worst thing you can have for the second or third hitter in an inning. This according to "Gold Mine". Of course he is Okay as lead-off, which can happen about once a game on average.
2008-05-11 17:29:19
320.   Gen3Blue
217 XXX- Pierre = about the worst thing you can have for the second or third hitter in an inning. This according to "Gold Mine". Of course he is Okay as lead-off, which can happen about once a game on average.
2008-05-11 17:30:16
321.   Gen3Blue
Worth repeating--probably not.
2008-05-11 17:32:02
322.   Bob Hendley
316 - I just think that we need more evidence before indicting the pitching staff. Perhaps margins would give another perspective. Shimmin?
2008-05-11 17:33:32
323.   scooplew
316 Including today's debacle, the Dodgers are averaging 4.97 runs scored per game and allowing 4.51. In 2007, they averaged 4.54 runs scored while allowing 4.49.
2008-05-11 17:34:32
324.   Bob Timmermann
Record by difference in runs scored.

You have to go through a few screens to get to the Dodgers totals.

2008-05-11 17:34:33
325.   ChicagoDodger
By contrast:

The D-backs are:

14-1 when scoring 6 runs or more (Dodgers 12-0)

8-8 when scoring 4 or 5 runs (Dodgers 4-5)

1-6 when scoring 3 or less runs (Dodgers 3-13)

Morale of the story? Dodgers need to score 6 or more! And by all means, stay away from those 0-3 runs scored games!

2008-05-11 17:38:52
326.   Bob Hendley
325 - But we do better than the Snakes do when only scoring three or less runs. Hence, we have a better pitching staff.
2008-05-11 17:40:43
327.   KingKopitar
295 If it makes you feel better, Joe Morgan makes that mistake all the time.

I almost wrote an entry wondering why we didn't bring Broxton in during the 7th with men on base and then either Proctor or Beimel in the 8th. I still think it was the right call.

2008-05-11 17:45:06
328.   Bob Timmermann
Did anyone else know that Saito wasn't available today?
2008-05-11 17:45:43
329.   Marty
All this reliance on that Shimmin character for research is going to lead to disappointment. Then delusion. Then alcoholism. Then Potter's Field.
2008-05-11 17:48:36
330.   ChicagoDodger
326 Well, actually they both do a bad job! It's just the snakes are better at not getting into that situation as much.

Maybe it's because their offense is better?

Now I'm confused. Is it the pitching or the hitting that is the Dodgers undoing?

Do you think it could actually be both?

2008-05-11 17:49:15
331.   scooplew
The most runs the Dodgers have ever scored in a season in L.A. was 842 in 1962, the first year of NL expansion, when they played 165 games -- the runs in the lamentable three-game playoff vs. the Giants count in the records. That is an average of 5.10 runs per game. They allowed 697 that season, an average of 4.22. The fewest they have scored in a non-strike, non-lockout season was 470 in 1986, a paltry 2.90 per game. They allowed 509 runs, or 3.14 per game that season. My source is last season's Dodgers media guide. By the way the correct title of the book I mentioned earlier is "The Numbers Game: Baseball's Lifelong Fascination with Statistics," by Alan Schwarz.
2008-05-11 17:49:48
332.   Bob Timmermann
What've we got?
What've we got?
We've got heart
Miles 'n' miles 'n' miles of heart
Oh, it's fine to be a genius of course,
But keep that old horse before the cart
Van Buren:
Who minds those pop bottles flyin'
The hisses and boos
Mickey, Bubba, Ozzie, Smokey:
The team has been consistent
Bomber, Sohovik:
Yeah we always lose
2008-05-11 17:54:17
333.   Bob Hendley
Two things. Obviously the pitching could be a little better, so that we win more of the 4-5 run ballgames. Also, Torre might go to the bench a bit more when we are blowing out the other teams. Hu normally spells Kent, but that's about it.
2008-05-11 18:00:12
334.   scooplew
Last two seasons in Milwaukee -- 6 games and a total of 14 runs scored by the Dodgers. Here's to a more robust offense this week.
2008-05-11 18:02:52
335.   Bob Timmermann
America's Team leads New Orleans by a bunch in the first half.
2008-05-11 18:09:25
336.   LoneStar7
335 when did the spurs become america's team, or am i missing the sarcasm lol...
2008-05-11 18:09:45
337.   Bob Hendley
334 - Here, here. Let go get them. Roll out the....
2008-05-11 18:10:27
338.   Gen3Blue
Looking at the schedule and counting how things have been falling I would basically not be happy if I was the next several Dodger opponents. However my opinion of the Cubs has recently taken a big jump, and the Mets can always be trouble.
2008-05-11 18:11:01
339.   Bob Hendley
335 - Don't they have to start at least one local kid?
2008-05-11 18:12:25
340.   Bob Timmermann
I feel that the Spurs need a nickname to get people to like them. Of they eight remaining teams in the NBA playoffs, they are probably the team that people least like to see.

Or maybe Orlando, but they'll disappear soon enough.

2008-05-11 18:15:07
341.   LoneStar7
man i know i hate utah but seeing that terribly despicable human being tony parker scream at a referee after tripping on his own feet and still getting a call makes me want to vomit..

Whether its manu or umberto acting like a couple of diving argie football players. duncan extending his arms in complaint on every play(both sides of the ball), or bowen up to his filthy unsportmanlike tricks...the spurs are cemented as the most hatable team in the NBA in my mind

2008-05-11 18:17:14
342.   Bob Hendley
Bob, you have a tough row to hoe. Note 341 .
2008-05-11 18:18:57
343.   Bob Hendley
341 - Yeah, but those are good old American filthy unsportmanlike tricks!
2008-05-11 18:27:04
344.   LoneStar7
haha sorry if i've offended any spurs fans, i apologize if i did because i know thats the number one still expressing anger from the losses today lol..
2008-05-11 18:28:04
345.   Bob Timmermann
I don't believe there are any Spurs fans.
2008-05-11 18:30:35
346.   Bob Hendley
344 . Not to worry. Apparently there aren't any such fans to be offended. (they either live in Argentina or are clustered around the Alamo).
2008-05-11 18:44:22
347.   LoneStar7
346 well thats good to know then...I'll see this much and thats it, manu passes really well out of the double and a pick and roll..
2008-05-11 18:45:26
348.   ryu
I am a Spurs fan. I think they play very good disciplined, team-oriented, fundamental basketball.

The most hated team in the playoffs, for me, is Detroit. Don't know why. I just don't like them. Don't like their players. Don't like their uniform. Don't like their coach.

2008-05-11 18:48:37
349.   LoneStar7
The last team other than lakers that i can remember actually liking was last years playoff warriors led by baron davis, but only because i hate the mavericks so much, and I'm a UCLA fan
2008-05-11 19:11:06
350.   Indiana Jon
First place I've ever read of the Spurs being a hated team. I think they are anything but hated. Duncan is a joy to watch, unlike other unnamed stars that spend the entire playoffs whining and crying.
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2008-05-11 19:15:21
351.   KingKopitar
350 "Duncan is a joy to watch, unlike other unnamed stars that spend the entire playoffs whining and crying."

(There's one curse word in that link, just in case anyone is offended by that sort of thing.)

2008-05-11 19:24:37
352.   Indiana Jon
351 Never seen a face like that on Kobe? How about Lebron? Duncan rarely makes excuses for losing, but I guess that's because he rarely loses.
2008-05-11 19:28:46
353.   KingKopitar
No, Kobe and Lebron do it too, I'm just pointing out that Duncan isn't different.

Don't worry, if people dislike the Spurs it usually isn't because of Duncan, it's because of Manu and Eva Longoria.

2008-05-11 19:30:26
354.   bhsportsguy
A dynasty brewing in Westwood.

UCLA Women's Water Polo team defeats USC for the 4th time this season to finish underfeated and win their 4th NCAA championship in a row.

The sport that claimed title no. 100, now wins no. 101.

2008-05-11 19:31:23
355.   Indiana Jon
I don't deny that Duncan complains about calls. All I am saying is we don't have to hear the whining, crying, excuse making in the press conference with Duncan. He plays the game well, wins a heck of a lot, and remains humble for a man in his position. I don't see that there is much to hate there.
2008-05-11 19:37:35
356.   regfairfield
I really need to write that consistency post I keep threatening to. Here's hoping I have nothing to do tomorrow.
2008-05-11 19:37:45
357.   ucladodger

I really love Duncan's game, but he might be one of the top 5 complainers in the game today. I don't listen to press conferences or care about them at all because they don't have anything to do with the game, but Timmeh is pretty much known as the king of complainers in the NBA in terms of in-game complaining. And considering every single player in the league has never committed a foul and is hit on every shot attempt, that's saying a lot.

2008-05-11 19:43:18
358.   underdog
Duncan does complain, but I really don't mind the Spurs. They've played so well as a team for years, I actually think they're fun to watch. Until the meet the Lakers. And their fans don't bother me as much as fans of a certain other team with the nation's most geographically inappropriate nickname. (Uh, next to the Lakers. Hey, there are lakes in southern California at least! I think. Or just reservoirs? I digress...) My point is I don't hate the Spurs. Right now I hate everything about the Jazz.

Not that sports is entirely rational.

Btw, I thought Kobe was pretty classy in his quotes today, didn't make any excuses for losing, didn't blame his back, praised the Jazz defense and so on.

2008-05-11 19:47:19
359.   underdog
I know it was mentioned here earlier when the game was still in progress, but for the Andy LaRoche Watch: He had a good day for OPB. 4 walks. 1 HR. 1 single. 2 RBIs. Also a SB. Started a double play in the field.
2008-05-11 19:50:30
360.   Indiana Jon
359 I'm hoping that if Furcal goes on the DL then we may see Laroche soon. I don't think there is much doubt he is the best option at 3B right now, but with The Solution playing well right now, Laroche needs a break somewhere to get a chance.
2008-05-11 19:50:50
361.   D4P
LaRoche now at .324/.500/.676/1.176 in Las Vegas with 12 BBs and 2 Ks.
2008-05-11 19:58:31
362.   underdog
360 - I desperately want him to get his chance, too, yah. But we clearly need Furcal so I'd rather that not be the reason. And then Nomar begins his rehab assignment soon. What an interesting logjam this is gonna be. IF they do bring Nomar back and IF he's healthy, and with Andy clearly ready, the only thing they could do is send DeWitt back down (to AAA this time I'd imagine) and, who knows, DFA or trade Sweeney...
2008-05-11 19:59:35
363.   underdog
(Not saying you want that to be the reason, either, of course. Just sayin', I hope Furcal is healthy. We need him back. The other stuff has to sort itself out separately.)
2008-05-11 20:39:59
364.   Indiana Jon
Having Nomar back right now wouldn't be a horrible thing. If Furcal is really too hurt to play, then who is our backup SS right now, Russell? I would take Nomar over Sweeney if that's the choice that has to be made. If Andy could get a few starts in and show he can hit, then by the time Raffy came back Dewitt may be the one to get sent down. I don't want to lose Furcal for 15 days either, but if he can't play then Andy can.
2008-05-11 21:51:04
365.   StolenMonkey86
After a game like today, Dodgerblues always makes me feel better.
2008-05-11 22:10:44
366.   LoneStar7
364 that hardley even occured to me, If nomar was back we could play him at short and leave DeWitt in there, because I just don't think Hu is ready for the bigs. I think I'd love to see if then Laroche or DeWitt could play second/third then have Nomar as your Utility 3rd baseman/SS.
2008-05-11 22:18:28
367.   LoneStar7
Oh and King that little dictionary of Duncan Faces was classic, pretty much everything I hate about his whining.

But yea, what I do hate mostly is Manu's infectious theatrics thst threaten to turn this league into Argentinian Soccer..

2008-05-11 22:42:41
368.   Bob Timmermann
Bill Laimbeer and Vlade Divac were flopping and moaning long before Manu Ginobli took his act north.
2008-05-11 22:46:39
369.   KG16
354 - um, that dynasty is not "brewing" it's been in place for about ten years. They've won six of the eight national championships to date, finishing second in one of the years they did not win.

UCLA has always had an incredible program on the men's side (along with USC, Stanford, and Cal) and it translated well to the women's side. I know at least four women on the national team that are former Bruins.

As for the Dodgers... today's line up wasn't all that bad and it did manage to score five runs, so the future looks bright. Looks like it was just one bad inning (I didn't catch it, was busy doing the Mother's Day brunch thing). Some combination of Young/LaRoche/DeWitt handling LF/2B/3B would be pretty nice, too.

2008-05-11 22:54:07
370.   bhsportsguy
369 The dynasty line was tongue in cheek. Impressive water polo record.

UCLA Women's Atletics still has 3 teams involved in NCAA playoffs, Tennis, Golf and Softball. I know USC Women's teams are also competing in Tennis and Golf playoffs. USC does not have softball team.

2008-05-11 23:03:33
371.   Louis in SF
Just read the Torre article in the LAT, and they still seem very undecided about Kershaw. I think his fate right now is tied to Jason Schmidt, and I think will have to see how he does in his next few rehab starts.

As far as Nomar goes does anyone know if he is able/willing to play SS anymore. If he can he could spell Furcal, who it sounds like is going to need more time to heal his back. I know early in their careers, both LaRoche and DeWitt played some short, but think that doesn't count at this level. LaRoche did play 1 game last year in Left field. So what about the line-up of DeWitt at 3rd, LaRoche in Left Kemp in Center Ethier in right, Jones and Pierre on the bench? And have Young spell Kent has needed, let Hu get more seasoning at Vegas. This of course will not happen, but do think the offense would be lots better and it would give both LaRoche and DeWitt AB's at the major league level and would allow Nomar to get more AB's, which his contract and star status require, even if his play at this point doesn't merit it.

2008-05-11 23:04:36
372.   bhsportsguy
I see Rob on 6-4-2 is hoping that DePodesta will comment on some of the Dodger moves. Perhaps that was written tongue but I would highly doubt he would do so because of two things, as an employee of a MLB team, you cannot comment on other team's players and two, if DePodesta desires to another GM job, he can't be seen as someone who has sour grapes about how he was treated no matter how unfair it was at that time.

Besides, I think he will have to do explaining how the Padres have gotten to where they sit as opposed to any concerns about the Dodgers and their transaction history.

2008-05-12 00:09:42
373.   Andrew Shimmin
Marty's got my number. Once you've been around a little longer, Other Bob, you'll come to understand that I'm not to be relied upon. I'm like a beautiful woman, except unattractive and not a woman.
2008-05-12 00:45:41
374.   El Lay Dave
What a rollercoaster game for the wife and I to have attended. Humma Kuvula's comment 314 could easily be mine. Kuroda looked good (obviously) today, even hitting 94 on the DS gun a couple times, sort of effectively wild (hitting Tejada 0-2 or 1-2, a sudden burst of six or seven straight balls when Matsui walked.) The mid-batter moves seemed a little odd, Beimel relieving Kuroda with a 1-0 count, and Jones finally coming in to PR for Kent at 2-2 (to Pierre!). The latter seemed like a no-brainer, with the accompanying defensive change; having predicted it to the wife as soon as Kent's force play was complete, I was surprised not to see it, then bemused when it finally happened.

Broxton got unlucky, I think. His fastball looked live from IR section 3 and he threw a couple nice breaking balls, but the Astros good some good wood on some balls, then some breaks. Carlos Lee cracked his bat on that dunker, and Ausmus' grounder was seeing-eye and only gets through on the pulled-in infield.

Loney's HR was smoked, a line shot that I thought was going to go to the wall, not over it. Ethier's hits were solid. I thought Loney strayed too far to his left on the play where DYoung received a throwing error trying to hit the pitcher covering, but his pick on Berkman was sweet.

Kemp initially took a step in on Bourn's ball before running it down on that backhand play - JP would have been crucified on the blogs for his bad route. Bourn's play on Jones' ball was unbelievable - it must have been on Sportscenter tonight; great catch with immediate, face-first, full body impression into the padding.

All in all, a frustrating end to a great beginning, but it was a nice day at DS anyway, and my wife like the rose she received at the entrance gate.

2008-05-12 00:51:52
375.   El Lay Dave
This was the first game I attended this season; coincidentally the last game I attended last season had the same position players playing, except LaRoche and Kent for DeWitt and Young, but Young finished up for Kent at 2B (and homered).
2008-05-12 00:58:49
376.   El Lay Dave
Torre was asked if Ethier had expressed anger or disappointment over his reduced role.

"He's disappointed as he tries to maintain (his swing)," Torre said. "I think that is more of a disappointment to him than the fact that he's playing or not playing. Certainly he understands that we all know it's important to get him going and that's not changing. It's a matter of trying to get him a day here and a day there."

A day here and a day there?? Ethier is now:

2008-05-12 01:42:53
377.   Dodgers49
Well-traveled Ardoin seeks one more trip to majors

2008-05-12 03:41:15
378.   Bob Hendley
For my dream team, either the Solution needs work at second or Andy needs work in left, and I don't see that happening. Boo hoo.
2008-05-12 04:02:46
379.   Bob Hendley
373 - Left at the altar, again. Wasn't Other Bob the character from Twin Peaks? Creepy.
2008-05-12 04:37:11
380.   D4P
Cute excerpt from Depo's blog:

Additionally, I promise to always read all of the comments, both supportive and critical. However, I have chosen not to publish some that, quite frankly, have been very nice regarding my career. The reason I have chosen not to publish those is that this blog really isn't supposed to be about me, it's about the Padres and baseball in general (and I may mix in a few tidbits about my kids - a father can't resist). For those of you wrote those posts, though, my sincere thanks. I hope you understand why I've chosen not to publish them. I wish there were a way I could write you back directly but I haven't figured out that functionality yet (anyone familiar with blogger, feel free to point me in the right direction). I guess I've been exposed - I'm not that computer savvy after all. :-)

2008-05-12 06:23:58
381.   gpellamjr
380 You make me so mad, D4P. I was going to transfer that cute excerpt over here. I've always wondered whether you or I was cutest. I guess that question has been answered once and for all.

This is not the last you'll hear of Greg Pellam's cuteness.

2008-05-12 06:49:54
382.   Terry A
376 - Absolutely maddening. Strike up the FreEthier campaign. Again.

381 - If it's any consolation, I've always felt you were more like a beautiful woman than is Shimmin.

2008-05-12 06:58:44
383.   D4P
I've always wondered whether you or I was cutest. I guess that question has been answered once and for all

From what you've said, I bet you're fatter than I am. So, you've got that. Some people find that cute, at least in babies...

2008-05-12 06:59:28
384.   Ken Noe
376 382 Interesting how Gurnick's version is different than Jackson's: "He's disappointed in the way he's trying to find it....It's a matter of trying to get him a day here and a day there. Hopefully with the day off tomorrow these couple of days will do it." Jackson's Torre has made Ethier the fourth outfielder. Gurnick's Torre thinks Ethier lost his stroke but wants him back in the lineup.
2008-05-12 07:32:16
385.   El Lay Dave
384 Doug Padilla in for Tony today, actually. I missed this quote:

"I try to talk to Andre; Andre has some issues," Torre said. "He's practicing and looking at video. He's doing a lot of things. A little time away from that certainly can't be all bad. I came in here early from batting practice (Saturday) and he was looking at video. I sat and talked to him.

"It's tough sometimes to think that all of a sudden you can get it done out there at an advanced speed.

If Torre thinks this of Ethier, whose cold spell looks to me like two collars and two 1-5s in the six games before the benching, what in the heck does he think about Jones?

2008-05-12 07:41:10
386.   D4P
That's a weird quote from Torre, in a lot of ways.
2008-05-12 07:41:16
387.   StolenMonkey86
385 - Joe Torre doesn't side in scouts vs stats. Joe Torre will do what Joe Torre thinks, and only Ned Colletti can tell him who to play when he gets a call from Juan Pierre's agent.

Torre still thinks Andruw Jones is the 1999 Andruw Jones.

Ethier and LaRoche for Huston Street. Book it.

2008-05-12 08:04:08
388.   cargill06
is chan ho a lock for sat??
2008-05-12 08:10:52
389.   Ken Noe
385 386 Scratching my head, I can only come up with this: Ethier is .354 against right-handers, .172 vs lefties, and was 6 for 31 before Sunday. Yet he still has the best OBP and OPS despite his "slump." At least Jones is "only" 88 ABs from the Bowa Magic 200.
2008-05-12 08:15:23
390.   27indigo
Ethier and LaRoche for Huston Street. Book it.

I'd laugh, since that should be nonsensical. But it bums me out knowing that I couldn't put that past Ned. Every time the bullpen falters, I'm thinking Ethier and or LaRoche could be on the next flight out of here for (insert middle reliever's name here).

2008-05-12 08:23:52
391.   CodyS
So has anybody noticed that Aaron Rowand is hitting .348/.415/.557? And Torii Hunter is hitting .302/.353/.511? Both those guys were credible options for the Dodgers this winter. Mr. Jones, as a reminder: .170/.277/.268. Both those guys are catching more balls than AJ as well.
Through almost 1/4 season, that is probably 3 extra losses right there.
2008-05-12 08:23:59
392.   cargill06
Ethier and LaRoche for Houston Street. Book it.

I doubt even Ned would be that dumb.

2008-05-12 08:26:43
393.   bcg60
It would be a shame if either one of them gets traded. Torre's comments about Ethier make no sense whatsover. What major issues could he possibly have in his swing when he's hitting over .300? The only thing I think he could possibly be referring to is that he's struggled a bit against lefties early, but he's always hit them well and the only thing that will take care of that is playing. Pierre is back to being the Juan for 4 he's always been and hitting .281 and Jones has been beyond pathetic and Ethier has problems? This situation is getting stranger by the day. That poor kid must feel likes he's morphed into an alternate universe where logic and common sense don't exist.
2008-05-12 08:40:34
394.   Terry A
391 - Of those three signings, I still think the Dodgers' was the wisest.
2008-05-12 08:46:17
395.   regfairfield
391 Jones could be hitting .000 right now and it probably wouldn't mean three extra loses. It takes a lot to be worth even one more win, let alone three.

Besides, the upside to Jones over those moves will happen sometime around 2011.

2008-05-12 08:47:12
396.   Ken Noe
391 394 This didn't get much discussion here, but Hunter said in an interview the other day that the Dodgers indeed were after him but Ned was just too slow putting together an offer.
2008-05-12 08:50:20
397.   regfairfield
396 Should have taken him to Del Taco.

I thought this was kind of interesting: the Dodgers leaders in PrOPS, or OPS based on batted ball types: Martin, Furcal, Ethier, Pierre, Loney, Kemp, Third Baseman, Kent, Jones.

Pierre is actually one of the unluckiest hitters in baseball right now. Color me surprised.

2008-05-12 08:55:22
398.   Marty
LaRoche has to be the unluckiest hitter in baseball right now.
2008-05-12 08:58:01
399.   regfairfield
Also interesting is that Jones is hitting .077 on breaking pitches this year and his hitting .000 on non-slider breaking pitches.
2008-05-12 09:06:05
400.   underdog
391 I don't know too many people here who thought we should sign Rowand, especially at the exorbitant asking price, and knowing he'd probably already had his peak year. I like him, I think many people here probably like the type of effort he gives, but that didn't seem to be considered a particularly smart signing, separate from the issue of Jones. Hunter I liked, I think most people here did too, but at his age and that cost -- well, again, Jones seemed to be the better bet. Right now it looks entirely stupid to have signed Jones, but it's a fairly short contract (and who knows, maybe he'll get it together). Basically, all three guys came with risks and doubts.
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2008-05-12 09:06:44
401.   Daniel Zappala
LaRoche's homer yesterday was against Jeff Weaver, who is, amazingly, pitching for the Brewers' minor league affiliate.
2008-05-12 09:19:45
402.   Bumsrap
I hope Jones would be sitting much more if the Dodgers had anybody hitting homeruns. But with the absence of homeruns and Kent playing old, Ethier's and LaRoche's ability to pound a ball through the outfield gaps is needed.

At some point Torre is going to have to sit Kent and Jones and Nomar in favor of LaRoche, Ethier, and DeWitt even if turning a double play gets dicey.

2008-05-12 09:23:11
403.   blue22
400 - If it was a question of just for 2008, I'd want Rowand, Jones, then Hunter. But I wouldn't give any of them more than 3 years. So since Jones was the only one that would take the requisite contract length, he's the winner by default. Just sucks that he can't hit anymore. Oh well, I still consider it a good decision by Neddy.
2008-05-12 09:26:32
404.   underdog
403 - Yep, that was basically my point.


Interesting little aside in LA Times today about the Lakers game in Utah yesterday.
Sunday games are a rarity in Utah because of religious reasons, but the crowd wasn't any less pro-Jazz despite a pregame theory that speculated otherwise.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints encourages members to avoid nonreligious activities on Sundays, leading to speculation that Lakers fans would be able to snap up tickets for the game.

The crowd was still overwhelmingly in favor of Utah.

Jackson, however, was irritated by some disparaging anti-Lakers signs held up by Jazz fans as the Lakers' bus approached the arena before the game.

"I would be very concerned if I was living in the Mormon community and the Salt Lake community at the quality of those sings that were out there," he said. "They were rather immoral and probably a little raucous."

The Jazz hadn't played a Sunday game in Utah since January 2001.<<

I wonder what was on those signs! And I also have a feeling Jackson was half-upset and half-teasing in his comments.

2008-05-12 09:30:24
405.   Xeifrank
oh man, 7.8 earthquake. Not good!
vr, Xei
2008-05-12 09:34:27
406.   JoeyP
Rowand reminds me of Eric Byrnes. Most people thought the Dbax were nuts to give hiim 3/30, but it turns out to be a solid move.

Rowand was a boom/bust pick, but given the Dodgers payroll that can take chances on long-term deals if the player is capable of putting up good numbers.

If it was a question of just for 2008, I'd want Rowand, Jones, then Hunter. But I wouldn't give any of them more than 3 years.

With the Dodgers payroll, this shouldnt have been a concern. And if you're only going to sign guys that will only agree to 3yrs and under, most likely you'll end up with some bad free agents that no one else wants.

Druw's an unmitigated disaster. His agent should be commended for getting him 18mils a year.

Druw/Kuroda make more than A-Rod makes this year. If that doesnt cause make you sick, nothing will.

2008-05-12 09:39:15
407.   JoeyP
Besides, the upside to Jones over those moves will happen sometime around 2011

I dont really get this type of thinking from you because you've said in the past that money wasnt a big deal in signing a guy like Loaiza--->that it was only money.

So why is it that 15 mils of sunk cost in 2011 (for a Rowand or Hunter), is any different than having a Nomar/Loaiza for 2008?

2008-05-12 09:39:25
408.   berkowit28
393 Torre's comments about Ethier "make sense" when you take into account his statement that Ethier himself is not asking for more playing time. (Of course Ethier knows that, as a non-free agent, asking for more playing time would be counter-productive.) Apparently, Ethier himself, the good team player that he is at the moment, is saying only that not playing every day doesn't let him work at his swing. So Torre, grateful for the opportunity presented by some reporter asking him if Ethier is demanding more playing time, speaks to that.

The mistake is in the reporter letting him off the hook by asking the wrong question (not at all surprising, since a player asking for more playing time is the sort of crass "human interest" angle that gets that type of reporter's juices going.)

What the reporter should be asking Torre is "How long can you keep playing Andruw Jones when the team loses game after game, while Ethier's batting is so much better and might win the team games? Are you committed to winning, or to justifying your GM's off-season's transactions?" Torre would then have to trot out his "A manager has to consider the whole season, not just one day's game. We need Jones to start hitting again, so we have to play him." That line should hold up for about two more weeks. But someone has to keep asking him, every day, day after day, until even he gets tired of that line, and losing. It only works when the rest of team can cover for Jones. Kind of hard at the moment, especially without Furcal in the line-up.

2008-05-12 09:39:33
409.   MC Safety
Joe Torre is stupid.
2008-05-12 09:42:42
410.   regfairfield
407 Because payroll space will mean a lot more once all of our guys become arbitration eligible. Until then, money isn't a hugely important factor.
2008-05-12 09:50:02
411.   Daniel Zappala
404 It probably tells you something that I was in church from 1 till 4, with a game that started at 1:30 MDT. At least, none of my kids were the ones holding the signs.
2008-05-12 09:51:24
412.   Daniel Zappala
Druw's an unmitigated disaster.

I disagree. It's mitigated by the fact that the season is only a month and a half old. I still maintain that he may come out of his slump and play well this year.

2008-05-12 09:58:19
413.   underdog
411 - I wouldn't expect them to. :-) Of course, the people holding the signs weren't necessarily even Mormons, or churchgoers of any kind.

409 - Sigh.

2008-05-12 10:07:14
414.   El Lay Dave
406 Most people thought the Dbax were nuts to give [Byrnes] 3/30, but it turns out to be a solid move.

Byrnes extension was signed August 7 last year. From August 8 forward (I thought it was the 8th; he drew a collar on the 7th, FWIW) Byrnes has played half a season - 81 games - to this tune:

.238 .309 .377 .686
360 324 57 77 20 2 7 34 27 1 41 7 1 1 13 26 3

2008-05-12 10:09:53
415.   regfairfield
To be fair, first half Byrnes and second half Byrnes are completely different players.
2008-05-12 10:10:52
416.   JoeyP
I just cant get over how much the A's fans thought Byrnes sucked on defense, and then he goes to the NL and wins a GG.
2008-05-12 10:12:40
417.   kinbote
So, did I miss anything this weekend? :)
2008-05-12 10:17:24
418.   Xeifrank
417. Yes, the Dodgers chopped three games off of their magic number, all without winning a single game. :)
vr, Xei
2008-05-12 10:18:02
419.   Billy Buck
In case it's already been posted, I'll apologize in advance, but Joe Sheehan, Baseball Prospectus, has a great article on the Dodgers today at He takes on Colletti in general, with this great line:

I've said this before, but I don't think I've ever written it: Had the Dodgers sent Colletti on a six-month cruise starting Nov. 1, 2006, they would have won the NL West in 2007.

It's a good read.

2008-05-12 10:21:54
420.   Eric Stephen
Looking at the bright side regarding the 31 year old Andruw Jones, here are some other bad stretches during good seasons:

From July 3 - August 31 (53 games): .195/.267/.361
Season stats: .251/.312/.461, 94 OPS+

From July 3 - August 30 (48 games): .200/.322/.376
Season stats: .264/.366/.513, 127 OPS+

As bad as he looks right now through 37 team games, he could equal last year's (bad) numbers (which, including defense, is an upgrade over Pierre) by hitting .235/.319/.448 the rest of the way.

2008-05-12 10:23:51
421.   El Lay Dave
419 "today"? :)
2008-05-12 10:25:01
422.   D4P
Depo's even linking YouTube videos now and using phrases like "Stinkin' hilarious".

This is great.

2008-05-12 10:26:03
423.   cargill06
420 .235/.319/.488 sounds good to me, the fresutrating thing is some at bats he puts good swings on the ball and does some good things at the plate and you think he's bound to break out of it any day, than the next game he looks awful at the plate.
2008-05-12 10:27:45
424.   cargill06
umm games cast just told me mclouth grounded out to francour, is that accurate?
2008-05-12 10:27:48
425.   El Lay Dave
415 The numbers in 414 are comprised of the last 201 PAs of 2007 and the 159 PAs thus far this season. If you break the rate stats into its two parts:

2007: .247 / .325 / .376 / .701
2008: .226 / .289 / .377 / .666

2008-05-12 10:29:35
426.   Eric Stephen
I guess what I'm trying to say in a roundabout way in 420 , even though it feels like I am shouting at a brick wall, is that I would approach the Dodger OF situation thusly:

1) Make sure Kemp & Ethier play every day
2) Give Jones every opportunity to break out of his slump
3) If Pierre has to play at all, it should only be at the expense of Jones, but even then I wouldn't play JP more than two times a week

2008-05-12 10:31:16
427.   berkowit28
409 Rule 6 violation. I'm a bit surprised this one hasn't been deleted (yet).
2008-05-12 10:33:47
428.   Eric Stephen
I had the wonderful opportunity to watch Saturday's game from the Loge section with bhsportsguy, and during the AB when Andruw eventually reached on Tejada's error I was convinced the he had turned a corner because he rocketed two balls foul. The first foul ball (would it have been a HR? Not sure, maybe) was so surprising to everyone, that even the booers seemed ready to cheer! Alas, he was the same old (new?) Andruw on his next AB.
2008-05-12 10:33:48
429.   fanerman
426 That sounds good to me.
2008-05-12 10:34:45
430.   Jon Weisman
Cherry-picked stat alert:

OBP last seven days:

.294 Andruw Jones
.250 Juan Pierre

Jones was robbed of an extra-base hit in the ninth Sunday thanks to a spectacular catch by Bourn, on the kind of drive Pierre couldn't dream of hitting.

2008-05-12 10:34:46
431.   berkowit28
Why is DePo's writing "stinkin' hilarious" great? It just seems like a rather obvious attempt to portray himself as "one of the guys" by the use of pseudo-blogger-vernacular at the expense of literacy.
2008-05-12 10:36:42
432.   cargill06
428 ya it would've been a HR
2008-05-12 10:37:58
433.   D4P
The "great" part comes from getting to read informal, relatively personal daily readings from (generally) someone in his position, and (specifically) him.
2008-05-12 10:39:43
434.   Billy Buck
421. El Lay Dave
419 "today"? :)

Sorry- we folks here in north-central Pa. run on a slower clock than most others....but we're fun at parties.

2008-05-12 10:40:19
435.   Jon Weisman
431 - What's illiterate about that quote?
2008-05-12 10:41:43
436.   Eric Stephen
I wonder if Pierre (3 for 21, .143/.250/.143 since Colorado) is also "disappointed in the way he's trying to find it."

On May 1, Pierre expressed frustration over his reduced role. Since that day, the Dodgers have played 10 games and Pierre has started all 10, appearing in all but two innings.

2008-05-12 10:43:34
437.   Reddog
Torre is not stupid. Colletti is an idiot, and Torre has to deal with the cards he's been dealt here.
2008-05-12 10:44:46
438.   cargill06
what about harden for dewitt??????
2008-05-12 10:45:34
439.   Slipstream

"That's why they call me the Bison"

2008-05-12 10:45:56
440.   delias man
Who would bat leadoff without Furcal if JP was not playing?
2008-05-12 10:47:13
441.   Jon Weisman
439 -
2008-05-12 10:47:40
442.   cargill06
wow, in a 0-0 tie in the 5th pitt with runners on 1st and 2nd, they have jose bautista bunt to set up 2nd and 3rd with 1 out for bixler and duke, that seems like a extrememly bone headed move.
2008-05-12 10:50:13
443.   Bob Timmermann
It works out fine if you can count on Bixler getting hit by a pitch.
2008-05-12 10:52:49
444.   Jon Weisman
405 - It's weird to be in a TV-less environment when these horrible things happen. As much as the Internet has expanded, it still doesn't have the same visceral impact as TV. Being without TV risks insulating me from the horror of it all.
2008-05-12 10:52:56
445.   Xeifrank
Do we really know that is DePodesta behind that blog and not somebody posing as him? I find it a little odd (not sure why) that he'd use blogspot and not some official Padre url, since he is a Padre employee blogging about the Padres/his company.
vr, Xei
2008-05-12 10:52:57
446.   Bob Timmermann
And if you expect Freddy Sanchez to hit a bases-clearing double.

In comes Michaels!
In comes LaRoche!
In comes Bixler!

2008-05-12 10:54:04
447.   Xeifrank
440. Doesn't really matter. R.Martin for starters.
vr, Xei
2008-05-12 10:54:41
448.   silverwidow
Question for Nate or anyone that wants to chime in. What about Brett Wallace (ASU) at #15 overall? He sounds like a MONSTER power bat that could help the big club pretty soon. I know White doesn't draft college hitters in the 1st round, but he could be a special hitter.
2008-05-12 10:54:50
449.   blue22
440 - Martin and his .428 OBP. DeWitt and his .387 OBP. Ethier and his .383 OBP.

And Kemp's fast, if that's what you're into.

2008-05-12 10:56:58
450.   Bob Timmermann
If it were someone posing as Paul DePodesta wouldn't DePodesta or the Padres have put a stop to the blog or publicly disavowed it?
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2008-05-12 10:58:57
451.   natepurcell

where would you play him?

2008-05-12 10:59:58
452.   Eric Stephen
437 ,409
This really doesn't help the discussion. If you have an argument, make it. Support it with facts, but don't resort to name calling. There is nothing to be gained from this.

But, more to your point, Torre has to play 3 of the 4 "cards he's been dealt" in the OF every day, and in the minds of almost everyone here there are two automatic choices to play every day. Yet Torre hasn't made the choices we agree with. Say that, rather than just calling him or anyone an idiot or stupid.

2008-05-12 11:00:26
453.   silverwidow
451 Left field? Defense is secondary; we NEED the offense.
2008-05-12 11:00:47
454.   Xeifrank
450. Yes, I would think so. I am not saying it isn't him, just that it is such a surprise and comes packaged oddly that one of the first things that came through my mind was that this might be a poser.
vr, Xei
2008-05-12 11:01:10
455.   bhsportsguy
448 Just looking at past drafts as an indicatior, outside of James Loney in 2002, the Dodgers first pick in the next 5 drafts has been pitcher and outside of Luke Hochevar, no college player has been selected first by the Dodgers.

Given his track record, it would be more likely that the Dodgers would select another high school pitcher.

2008-05-12 11:02:53
456.   El Lay Dave
436 Just to compare. Ethier peaked at a .902 OPS after the win against AZ, and from there to the benching (after the FLA series, where he started all three games and his OPS dropped to .838), Ethier went:
5 - 22 (.227 / .357 / .273 / .630)
2008-05-12 11:06:49
457.   natepurcell

It depends. I really like his bat but I haven't really seen him play that much in the field. This draft is loaded with 1b type impact bats though.

2008-05-12 11:09:41
458.   underdog
455 All true. Except this year, I have a gut feeling White and co. may draft a high school bat instead of a pitcher for once. I got the sense the organization feels it needs more blue-chip position players in the system. But we'll see. As you said, White feels they can never have enough great pitching prospects.
2008-05-12 11:10:54
459.   El Lay Dave
397 JP's LD% is 27.5% according to Hardball Times. Would I be wrong to guess/assume that JP is "unlucky" w.r.t. his LD% because of how shallow the OF plays against him? If his line drives hang even slightly they are caught. Or they are simply just not as hard hit? His LD% is over 20% every year since 2004.
2008-05-12 11:11:56
460.   natepurcell

Unlike in past years, the best overall bat is probably going to be a college bat at the 15 spot.

2008-05-12 11:11:59
461.   El Lay Dave
459 ... they are caught instead of dropping in front of OFs.
2008-05-12 11:16:27
462.   regfairfield
459 It's a good theory, but it actually doesn't hold up. PrOPS is astondingly accurate for Pierre some how, being at worst .004 points off since 2005. I'm guessing he might get more line drives caught, but he gets more hits on ground balls than the average player so it balances out.
2008-05-12 11:17:16
463.   Eric Enders
Andy LaRoche somehow missed Kevin Goldstein's Monday Morning 10-Pack, but old friend Cory Van Allen is on the list. He's 23 and only in High-A, but is seen as a "dependable back-of-the-rotation starter."

I guess the ones that got away don't all turn into David Price.

2008-05-12 11:18:20
464.   regfairfield
463 Was he the one we kicked off the team for stealing from other players?
2008-05-12 11:19:00
465.   Eric Enders
By the way, since I missed yesterday's game due to infernal blackout restrictions:
1) Was there a problem with Broxton's stuff, or did he just pitch lousy?
2) How did Pee Wee do at second base?
2008-05-12 11:19:06
466.   bhsportsguy
461 Maybe it makes sense Pierre hit well in Colorado, the outfield is so large and outfielders really can't afford to play shallow against him.
2008-05-12 11:22:30
467.   Andrew Shimmin
Video of Vin Scully's commencement address at Pepperdine is available here:

2008-05-12 11:23:37
468.   Eric Enders
464 No, that was Chris Hobdy.

Cory Van Allen is a LHP who was our 3rd round pick in 2003. We couldn't sign him and he went to Baylor instead.

2008-05-12 11:23:49
469.   old dodger fan
Dougout Central is recommending the Reds go after Raffy this post-season.

Sign him now Ned!

2008-05-12 11:25:43
470.   Penarol1916
458. I like our lower level position prospects at the corners, Bell, Lembo, Gallagher, even Baez whose numbers don't look so good, but scouts seem to love. The problem is up the middle, where we don't seem to have much outside of DeJesus.
2008-05-12 11:25:51
471.   ryu
I got tickets to see John Wooden and Vin Scully at the Nokia Theater on June 13.

Is anyone here going?

2008-05-12 11:26:52
472.   underdog
460 - Then we should draft a college bat, like that guy at ASU! ;-) (Sorry, just bring this around full circle.)

We could take Howie Long's other kid, Kyle. Another James Loney -- first baseman-slash-pitcher.

2008-05-12 11:26:53
473.   Jon Weisman
465 - My dad felt the Astros were sitting on Broxton's fastball. Basically, although one key hit was a bloop, Brox just didn't really fool anyone.

Young could have been quicker trying to turn a double play - that's the only thing I really noticed.

2008-05-12 11:28:51
474.   underdog
465 It was really a mix of a few bad pitches and some bad luck, frankly. There was a broken bat blooper, two ground ball singles up the middle, and then the Astros just guessing right, getting good wood on the ball. Overall, I wouldn't say he was pitching horribly, but it was a disastrous outing nonetheless.
2008-05-12 11:29:35
475.   Xeifrank
459. My guess is that it's a little of both. Probably more on the unlucky side though. I don't think his 27% LD rate will be sustainable.
vr, Xei
2008-05-12 11:30:15
476.   underdog
But that's true too - it's like they just knew his fastball was coming and caught up to it. Don't know if it was pitch selection issues, too, or what. And I wondered if Furcal was playing up the middle with Hu at 2nd if one of those grounders would've been nabbed or if that DP would've been turned, but I'm really not sure.
2008-05-12 11:32:26
477.   Xeifrank
476. Maybe Belichick was in the outfield seats relaying signs to the Astros hitters? :) vr, Xei
2008-05-12 11:39:47
478.   KG16
So, anyone think we could get anything of value for Terry Tiffee?

469 - what type of free agent will Furcal be? Will the Bums get draft picks if he signs elsewhere? As much as I like Furcal, I'm leaning against resigning him right now. I'd rather give Hu the chance at short. Even losing Kent, but I'm also leaning towards the DeWitt/LaRoche/Young strategy for 2B/3B/LF issues.

2008-05-12 11:41:04
479.   regfairfield
478 What did we get for Mitch Jones?
2008-05-12 11:41:10
480.   silverwidow
I noticed during this past series that they either "reset" or fixed the DS radar gun. It now seems to jive with Gameday/Pitch FX.
2008-05-12 11:41:41
481.   El Lay Dave
479 Some good will in Japan?
2008-05-12 11:42:14
482.   KG16
478 - um, who is Mitch Jones?
2008-05-12 11:42:28
483.   bhsportsguy
450 Rob Neyer posted a link to DePodesta's blog today so I don't think he'd do it if it wasn't real (figuring he must have checked it out first).
2008-05-12 11:42:48
484.   Eric Stephen
The Dodgers will get the 1st round pick of the signing team (if it's not top 15 -- if it is, it will be 2nd round; same if the signing team also signs another FA rated higher than Furcal by Elias) and a sandwich pick between the 1st and 2nd round if they offer Furcal arbitration, which they almost certainly will (and which he will almost certainly decline).

This all assumes Furcal will be a Type A free agent (again, based on Furcal's relative status in the Elias rankings)

2008-05-12 11:43:59
485.   regfairfield
482 A man with very similar trade value to Terry Tiffee.
2008-05-12 11:45:09
486.   kinbote
484 We should definitely offer Lowe arbitration as well.
2008-05-12 11:46:00
487.   regfairfield
Furcal was the highest rated Type B last year, so if he beats his 2006 performance, he should move up.
2008-05-12 11:46:13
488.   underdog
So the Dodgers could potentially have two first round picks next year, for losing Lowe and Furcal, PLUS their own? Wowsa. I wonder how that affects their decision on Furcal (not sure, just wondering) and so on. But, boy, I hope Logan White is still with the club next year.
2008-05-12 11:48:43
489.   El Lay Dave
465 473 That's also pretty much what it looked like to me in DS. The DP attempt that Young tried to turn looked a beat slow; seemed like his hands were very far apart as he caught the feed. The ball was not hit particularly sharply though. Young also made a bad-looking throw, high and wide toward the fair-side, trying to hit the moving pitcher covering after Loney went too far - IMO - to his right after a grounder.

476 Those grounders up the middle were going through on any middle infield combo.

2008-05-12 11:49:05
490.   Bob Timmermann
Mitch Jones batted .160 last year in Japan and he's been sent to the minors.
2008-05-12 11:49:06
491.   Xeifrank
478. At this point in time I have serious doubts about Hu being our every day SS next year. Going from Furcal to Hu is going to be difficult to make up at other positions, especially with the AJones/Pierre logjam in the outfield and no big impact player on the horizon to take Kent's spot either.
vr, Xei
2008-05-12 11:51:04
492.   gibsonhobbs88
471 - My wife and I have tickets in the mid orchestra for Vin and Coach.

484 - I still blame you for the Blue's lost weekend. Major jinx board by posing the Dodgers would look to have an easy winnable series based on the pitching matchups. Eric, You put the famous Godfather "Kiss of Death" on the Dodgers weekend ;-)!! Please avoid these prognostications in the future. The Dodgers never seem to follow "what should be" anyway!! They make the worst struggling pitchers look like the second coming of Bob Gibson - (See Brian Moehler and Chris Sampson this weekend).

2008-05-12 11:51:43
493.   Eric Stephen
If Schmidt is not healthy (hey, stop laughing!) I would offer Lowe arbitration. I would think he would not accept, ensuring the Dodgers get draft picks (he was comfortably a Type A last year). I'd be willing to accept the risk that he accepts because I'd be OK with giving him a 1 year deal.
2008-05-12 11:52:03
494.   silverwidow
Ned will sign someone named "Orlando" to play up the middle.
2008-05-12 11:52:33
495.   El Lay Dave
480 Per the stadium board, Kuroda hit 94 a couple time and was sitting 92 with his FB, Broxton hit a 98 and sat around 95. But I forgot to check Kuo's readings. :( Too much anguish by then, I think.
2008-05-12 11:54:13
496.   Eric Stephen
I take full responsibility for the weekend losses, but I feel the worst for cargill, who lost $50!!
2008-05-12 11:54:53
497.   kinbote
493 You had me at "If Schmidt."
2008-05-12 11:55:06
498.   gibsonhobbs88
I bet Kuroda is beginning to wonder about American hospitality. The Dodger bullpen has now lost 3 of his wins. He only has 1 win to show for the first 6 weeks of the season. Pretty soon you are going to have a scene where even dog tired, he will refuse to leave the mound when Torre comes out to relieve him. He will shake his head and dig his feet in the mound and refuse to leave.
2008-05-12 11:55:21
499.   bhsportsguy
If the Dodgers bullpen could have held 3 leads, Kuroda would have 4 wins with his only bad performance against the Mets. Kuroda has not been a disaster and I think in the end considering the other costs, either someone like Silva or Lohse or trading away some young players, the investment of cash will be justified.
2008-05-12 11:55:43
500.   old dodger fan
492 You think you are upset. Cargill bet $50 on the D's winning the series (Astros-not WS).

493 I think it would be foolish to count on a healthy Schmidt next year unless he has a great 2nd half (which I hope he does).

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2008-05-12 11:56:06
501.   bhsportsguy
499 Wrote it before I saw 498 .
2008-05-12 11:56:14
502.   El Lay Dave
491 Hu does not look all too comfortable at the plate. He really needs to hitting regularly in hope of being major-league ready later; the real cost of the Abreu injury(ies?) is that Hu is not continuing to learn to hit in the minors, nor playing regularly in the majors. A healthly Abreu probably wins/gets the utility job instead of Hu.
2008-05-12 11:57:28
503.   regfairfield
Is there anywhere to check how many inherited runners a pitcher gives to his relievers? It seems like Kuroda is Kaz Ishiiing his way out of a lot of jams along with the bullpen bailing him out, but I could be wrong.
2008-05-12 11:58:35
504.   kinbote
502 You had me at "A healthy Abreu"--I'll stop.
2008-05-12 12:01:02
505.   Reddog
I think Ned should sign Furcal up for 3 more years - but not 5 or god forbid, 7 years.

Also, revisiting what I said about Torre and Ned, Torre's job would be so much easier if Ned hadn't signed Jones. Now, with the largest yearly contract ever in Dodgers history, he has to play Jones even if he is washed up. Maybe by August, if Jones is still hitting the way he has been, Torre can then keep him on the bench.

2008-05-12 12:01:14
506.   Eric Stephen
Baseball Prospectus has bequeathed runners in its Starting Pitcher Bullpen Support page:

Kuroda has bequeathed 6 runners, only 1 of which scored.

2008-05-12 12:01:15
507.   kinbote
Who's on the all-under .200 BA team this year? Last I checked, Andruw was joined by Cano, Giambi, Howard, & half the Mariners' lineup!
2008-05-12 12:02:03
508.   kinbote
505 How does Furcal's back injury affect his long-term value?
2008-05-12 12:02:42
509.   JoeyP
My problem with Kuroda was you're giving 12mils to a limited upside innings eater.

When you already have Loaiza in the pen, Kuo in the pen, McDonald/Kershaw in the minors---seems almost redundant to pay Kuroda 3/36.

With the A's getting mileage out of Greg Smith/Eveland, the Cards out of journeymen like Looper/Pinerio---seems that Kuroda really isnt that much more valuable than regular PVL, and without the upside of some of the kids.

2008-05-12 12:02:49
510.   Humma Kavula
I know nothing about prospects, so please take this as a genuine question and not as snark:

Why are we so certain that Hu will be so valuable?

Before last year, his rep -- and again, I know nothing, and I haven't looked at the stats -- was as a slick-fielding but weak-batting SS. Then, last year, his rep took a big step forward as he hit and hit for power.

My questions are:

1) How do prospect hounds determine if a player is making a step forward in his development or just having a fluke season?

2) Why are several respected people guessing that Hu's 2007 was for real?

2008-05-12 12:03:10
511.   bhsportsguy
508 I recall a similar question being asked about an outfielder on the Montreal Expos who was a free agent after the 2003 season.
2008-05-12 12:04:50
512.   underdog
Kuroda had a reputation coming out of Japan as not only being an innings eater but for pitching tougher when in jams or with runners on. He hunkers down!
2008-05-12 12:05:29
513.   Eric Stephen
Now, with the largest yearly contract ever in Dodgers history, he has to play Jones even if he is washed up

The contract plays a part, but I think a bigger factor is that Jones also has the 2nd largest career HR ever acquired in Dodgers history*.

*I couldn't come up with anyone else besides Frank Robinson's 503 HR before becoming a Dodger in 1972. Eddie Murray had 333 before 1989, 35 HR behind Andruw.

2008-05-12 12:06:20
514.   regfairfield
506 He also has a slightly above average strand rate, so he is getting a little lucky, but not too much. I think that outing were he seemingly got into trouble every inning and managed to only allow two runs is sticking out in my mind.
2008-05-12 12:07:30
515.   kinbote
511 Ouch. I still remember when I found out he signed with the Angels. Late the night before, there was a buzz that a stealth team [us?] was moving close to signing him. When I went to the L.A. Times website the next morning, there was a huge picture of Vlad. I actually started to celebrate before I realized what it was.

Very bad memory.

2008-05-12 12:09:34
516.   ToyCannon
Fred McGriff
2008-05-12 12:10:15
517.   bhsportsguy
510 I do think that the Dodgers would love to see Hu playing everyday at 2B or SS in Vegas but again with Abreu out, they really don't have a choice.

I know some have voiced a thought that Nomar could be a utility infielder when he comes back but he hasn't play SS in what 5 seasons since 2004 before he was traded by the Red Sox. It would be hard to imagine him playing there short of some type situation like when Martin had to play 3B.

2008-05-12 12:10:54
518.   El Lay Dave
513 The Crime Dog, 478 HR.
2008-05-12 12:12:07
519.   Eric Enders
513 Eddie Murray beats Robinson by one. He had 504 homers when we signed him in 1997 as a GIDP specialist. Frank is second with 503 and Fred McGriff is third with 478.
2008-05-12 12:17:44
520.   bigcpa
My opinion of the Jones contract is the same as my opinion of the Schmidt signing. The rationale to sign them was sound and the brevity of the contracts limited our downside. If Andruw Jones was born a year earlier and reached FA in 2006, he would have gotten 6-7 years along with Lee/Soriano. And given that Ned had interest in those two AND had a CF vacancy- this very well could be year 2 of a 7 year $135M Jones deal. Whether this makes Colletti lucky or good I don't know. But I think this place would have been ecstatic had we locked up Jones at age 29 following 51 and 41 HR seasons and 10 gold gloves.
2008-05-12 12:18:39
521.   underdog
I don't know if I can stand Wednesday. Both the Lakers and Dodgers play again. Friday and Sunday didn't go too well. Not sure my sensitive constitution can take it.
2008-05-12 12:20:32
522.   El Lay Dave
519 Boog Powell had all of his 339, which is ahead of Eddie Murray's first term.
2008-05-12 12:21:09
523.   Gilberto Reyes
517 I don't think Nomar would have any problem playing short as a utility player. He takes balls at short all the time during BP and during the spring. There are much older shortsops in the league right now. The problem is that he, like Abreu, is rarely healthy anymore.
2008-05-12 12:22:04
524.   Xeifrank
521. Just take your dog(s) for a long walk during the games. If you don't have a dog, go buy one or borrow a neighbors.
vr, Xei
2008-05-12 12:22:07
525.   Eric Enders
510 Before 2007, I think "weak-hitting, slick-fielding" would not have been a tremendously accurate representation of Hu's status. He was considered an average hitter, not a weak one -- and that's a key difference for a shortstop, where merely average hitting is usually acceptable. Also, he wasn't just another one of the dime-a-dozen "slick-fielding" shortstops, but head and shoulders above those guys -- a future Gold Glove winner.

Anyway, the only way to tell if 2007 was a fluke is to see what happens in 2008. And of course, so far nothing's happened yet. But generally speaking, the reason 2007 gets so much attention is because the most recent season is always by far the best indicator of a guy's ability. And Hu was at an age where players often have "great leaps forward."

2008-05-12 12:22:54
526.   Humma Kavula
517 They'd rather see Hu in Vegas... to see if his 2007 performance was for real? To allow him to develop further? Both? Neither?
2008-05-12 12:24:14
527.   Humma Kavula
525 Thank you, that is helpful.
2008-05-12 12:24:34
528.   Xeifrank
535. Any reason why Vin was saying that Hu was playing out of position at SS? Or did Vin just goof up?
vr, Xei
2008-05-12 12:24:42
529.   Gilberto Reyes
520 I agree. Most people thought that we got Jones for a bargain and the fact that it was only a 2 year deal made it even sweeter at the time. Many of the people complaining about the contract now were silent or even excited at the contract when it happened.
2008-05-12 12:25:32
530.   bhsportsguy
521 Its pretty hard for the Lakers and Dodgers not to play on the same day.

Records for both when they play on the same day during the playoffs.

Lakers 5-2, Dodgers 2-5.

2008-05-12 12:25:43
531.   Xeifrank
528. Ok, it's very important that whoever makes post #535 relate their post to my question. :) j/k, meant #525 in 528.
vr, Xei
2008-05-12 12:26:12
532.   Eric Enders
523 Well, I can take grounders at short too but that doesn't mean I can play the position. Nomar was already a lousy shortstop the last time he was actually a shortstop. And that was four long years ago. Put me in the camp that believes he couldn't play it in anything but an emergency.

Thing is, until this past week, with Furcal the only other shortstop you needed was an emergency one.

2008-05-12 12:27:24
533.   Gilberto Reyes
528 Vin goofed. Hu's prime position in the minors has been SS.
2008-05-12 12:29:14
534.   Bob Timmermann
I even remember days when the Dodgers, Lakers, and Kings would all be playing on the same day with the latter two in the playoffs.

I'm old enough to remember the Kings in the playoffs.

2008-05-12 12:31:16
535.   Eric Enders
Hu's only position in the minor leagues was shortstop, with the exception of 17 games at 2B in Vegas last year while Abreu was hurt.
2008-05-12 12:32:36
536.   El Lay Dave
526 I'd guess both. Hu had exactly 200 PAs in Vegas last year, his first time in AAA.
2008-05-12 12:33:44
537.   Ken Noe
Count me in the pro-Kuroda group, FWIW. He's certainly better than the W-L record indicates. Penny, Bills, Kuroda, McDonald, Kershaw, that could be a darned good 2008 rotation.
2008-05-12 12:33:51
538.   Eric Enders
531 Done!
2008-05-12 12:35:11
539.   Gilberto Reyes
532 I don't recall how bad Nomar played short for the Cubs in 2004 and 2005. But I would expect him to be in the "below average" category today as opposed to "lousy". But it is hard to say since he hasn't played there for so long.
2008-05-12 12:35:50
540.   underdog
524 I could take my cats for a walk, I suppose. That would certainly distract me (and everyone else in the neighborhood) from the games. Actually, when I used to leave on a side street in Venice Beach I did take my cat for a walk a few times, but he's terrified of cars.

534 - Who are the Kings? Some sort of winter sports team?

2008-05-12 12:35:52
541.   regfairfield
The rotation's FIPs or ERA based on perhiperals.

Brad Penny – 3.86
Derek Lowe – 3.72
Chad Billingsley – 3.30
Hiroki Kuroda – 4.18
Esteban Loaiza – 4.59

Things are fine.

2008-05-12 12:35:57
542.   blue22
536 - Hence the interest in Juan Castro earlier this year?
2008-05-12 12:36:29
543.   regfairfield
539 Nomar slipped firmly into the lousy category at first base, so short would be a real adventure.
2008-05-12 12:37:10
544.   underdog
Live, not leave. My brain is on a leave of absence until I get lunch.

Speaking of which, I think people are just afraid to correct Vin even tho he keeps making that same mistake re: Hu. No one wants to embarrass the hall of fame broadcaster, even though he would likely want them to.

2008-05-12 12:38:01
545.   blue22
539 - He's a lousy thirdbaseman and a lousy firstbaseman. I wouldn't expect any increase in ability at shortstop.
2008-05-12 12:38:20
546.   Humma Kavula
544 Surely a respectfully worded email could get that job done. Who's got Vin's address?
2008-05-12 12:42:16
547.   Ken Noe
Nomar (31AB/.226/.314/.323) offers more than Sweeney (26AB/.154/.290/.192) as the bat off the bench, but he's not going to replace Hu.
2008-05-12 12:44:26
548.   Eric Enders
In 2004, Nomar was so bad defensively at shortstop that he lost his job to Pokey Reese, he of the 46 OPS+. And he's god-awful these days at third, so I don't see how he could hope to be anything but god-awful at short.
2008-05-12 12:46:09
549.   El Lay Dave
With Saito still unavailable yesterday, Broxton must have been inserted to start the eighth inning for a two-inning save opportunity. I didn't realize that at the time.
2008-05-12 12:47:37
550.   Eric Enders
549 I think most people don't realize it, which is why the "Broxton doesn't have the cojones to close" crowd has been relatively silent this time around.
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2008-05-12 12:48:57
551.   KG16
If Jones does not turn it around... let's say he finishes the season somewhere around the Mendoza line with no more than 15 home runs, does he hang it up?

Is it safe to assume that Kent is done after this year? At least with the Dodgers?

If the answers to the above are all yes, and we figure that Furcal is going to get a monster deal somewhere else that the Dodgers are not going to want to match, that creates some interesting dynamics for next year. It solves, at least in theory, the outfield problem (ok, not really, but at least in the eyes of management), and opens holes at second and short.

2008-05-12 12:49:07
552.   Ken Noe
Now this is interesting...Josh Rawitch says that Torre was talking about Jones in those "finding his swing" quotations we discussed this morning, not Ethier.

2008-05-12 12:50:03
553.   underdog
546 I was just gonna post something on Vin's blog.
2008-05-12 12:51:44
554.   underdog
552 D'oh! That makes so much more sense. Sheesh, those journalists kinda blew that one.
2008-05-12 12:53:06
555.   Xeifrank
541. Care to throw Guo's in there (as a starter)?
vr, Xei
2008-05-12 12:53:59
556.   regfairfield
555 I don't have it as a starter, but he's at 2.75 overall.
2008-05-12 12:54:55
557.   Eric Enders
Assuming that Kent's year isn't a complete disaster, we offer him arbitration, right? If he accepts it, then so be it. If he rides off into the sunset, so be it. If he signs with someone else, we get two draft picks.
2008-05-12 12:57:15
558.   Eric Enders
551 I feel very safe in stating that Andruw Jones is absolutely not going to retire after this year. Nobody has ever turned down a free $18 million and nobody ever will.
2008-05-12 12:57:16
559.   Xeifrank
556. Ok, no problem, thanks. Too bad he is one of our low leverage out of the bullpen guys (LLOOTBG). vr, Xei
2008-05-12 13:00:11
560.   old dodger fan
551 I can't imagine Jones retiring with $18 million or what ever it is owed to him.

I think 557 is right on regarding Kent.

I would not assume that we won't offer Furcal a monster deal (assuming he comes back soon healthy). Not that many teams can offer a huge long term contract and we should have some money freed up at the end of the season.

2008-05-12 13:01:27
561.   old dodger fan
[558/560] I might have beaten you but the phone rang in the middle of my typing.
2008-05-12 13:02:49
562.   regfairfield
Kuo's FIP is 4.16 as a starter.
2008-05-12 13:18:48
563.   silverwidow
55% of Blake's hits have been ground balls. Is this above average?
2008-05-12 13:26:06
564.   bhsportsguy
563 In 2007, Kemp and Pierre pct. of hits being ground balls was 46% and 49%.
2008-05-12 13:26:41
565.   ToyCannon
Blake DeWitt now sports an OPS+ of 127 after 100 at bats.
I would have to say that for a 22 year old 3rd baseman who only had 1/2 a season of mediocre AA ball this start is unbelievable. When you consider what Longoria, Gordon, Fields, Zimmerman, LaRoche, and Reynolds did in their first 100 at bats and other then Reynolds those were all top 25 prospects, it is even more amazing.
He will fall to earth but Dodger fans will remember the debut of DeWitt as a special event.
2008-05-12 13:28:59
566.   Eric Stephen
Just so cargill can win his money are the pitching matchups in The Land of Bratwurst and Cheese:

Tue - Penny (3.86 FIP) vs. Carlos Villanueva (6.17)
Wed - Lowe (3.72) vs. Manny Parra (5.02)
Thu - Billingsley (3.30) vs. Ben Sheets (3.35)

The Brew Crew have scored only 16 runs in their last 6 games (for sake of fairness, the Dodgers have scored only 12 in their last 5, without Furcal), and their non-Prince infield is really struggling thus far:

Weeks - .193/.320/.352, 76 OPS+
Hall - .197/.276/.394, 74 OPS+
Hardy - .260/.338/.325, 76 OPS+

Milwaukee has been outscored 158-179 this season, and their pythag record is 16-21.

2008-05-12 13:32:41
567.   jtrichey
557 My bet is that we do not offer Kent arbitration. I think it would be a bad move to offer it anyway. Take another 10% performance away from him for age, and he's not someone you'd want to pay 10 million. He'll probably retire anyway, but I don't think he gets arbitration.
2008-05-12 13:33:19
568.   ToyCannon
And they now have no closer. But then neither do we if Saito is unavailable.

Might be time to see what Kuo can do in a high pressure 8th/9th inning situation. Assuming we can get another lead.

2008-05-12 13:35:14
569.   ToyCannon
It would be a nightmare if we offered him arbitration and he accepted. At least it would be my nightmare.
2008-05-12 13:36:34
570.   underdog
566 No one comment on the odds based on those pitching matchups, please! ;-)
2008-05-12 13:36:45
571.   bhsportsguy
563 My source (BillJamesOnline) has only 14 of Dewitt's 31 hits being ground balls so perhaps your numbers are reversed (45% GB/55% FB/LD)
2008-05-12 13:36:57
572.   Eric Stephen
For some reason, I just realized Eric Gagne has never faced the Dodgers. It would be nice to face him this weekend. Although, it should have been nice to face Jeff Bennett, Chris Sampson, Brian Moehler, et al too.
2008-05-12 13:38:20
573.   bhsportsguy
572 I know you mean this Tues-Thurs, though interleague trades can happen. :) Personally, I'd rather face him than Shields or K-Rod too.
2008-05-12 13:40:04
574.   Ken Noe
New Jones article up, John Nadel, not a lot that's new.

2008-05-12 13:41:25
575.   regfairfield
563 League average is around 30%.
2008-05-12 13:44:54
576.   bhsportsguy
575 Kemp is around 30% in 2008.
2008-05-12 13:45:15
577.   Eric Stephen
Whoops! Actually, maybe the Brewers can release Gagne following his 3 horrific outings against the Dodgers (3 games, 1 IP, 11 runs), followed by an immediate pickup by the Angels who decide to return him to his starter roots. KKKKKKKKKKKKKuo then outduels Gagne on Saturday.

Far-fetched? Nah.

2008-05-12 13:50:15
578.   underdog
577 - So Gagne will be shutting out the Dodgers in each of his 3 appearances this week, you mean?
2008-05-12 13:54:49
579.   Marty
I guess I wasn't paying attention, why has Saito been unavailable?
2008-05-12 13:55:37
580.   bhsportsguy
579 Flu.
2008-05-12 14:02:57
581.   underdog
The Dodger games this weekend gave me flu-like symptoms, too.
2008-05-12 14:22:25
582.   ToyCannon
Yesterday went from a great sports day to nightmare. Dodgers up 3-1 blow lead, Lakers make a crazy comeback, down 12 with 3 minutes to go fueled by Odom/Fisher only to watch Kobe revert to vain Kobe in overtime as he could barely move but was still determined to be the man.
2008-05-12 14:23:33
583.   ToyCannon
Since Furcal has shown in the past that he sucks when he's playing hurt, wouldn't it be in the best interest of the team to stick him on DL and make him heal?
2008-05-12 14:25:16
584.   silverwidow
571 My source is baseball-reference
2008-05-12 14:31:13
585.   Andrew Shimmin
Plus, no misspellings.

2008-05-12 14:32:17
586.   bhsportsguy
584 Interestingly, Baseball Reference gives 17 hits on GBs, 7 hits each by FB and LD, Bill James gives 14 hits by GB, 9 hits by FB and 8 hits by LD.

I'm sure there are probably small discrepencies like this for most players.

2008-05-12 14:33:09
587.   cargill06
ok this is now getting annoying, i bet my friend who is a life long indian fan that bills would have a lower era than carmona this year, here is carmona's line this year
31BB:15 K's
1.79 WHIP
.279 BAA
2.95 ERA
and now has 6 shut out innings today
2008-05-12 14:34:16
588.   D4P
Torre believes Jones has had a tough time adjusting to his exit from Atlanta.

"This is the first time he's left the nest," the manager said. "He's been with an organization his whole life. He ventures out; he doesn't do very well."

What explains his 2007, when he was still in the nest...?

2008-05-12 14:39:47
589.   Terry A
Too many worms.
2008-05-12 14:43:01
590.   D4P
The sad thing is that our GM probably didn't realize just how bad Jones's 2007 really was. Sure, the .222 BA looked low, but the 26 HRs and 94 RBIs no doubt looked "productive".
2008-05-12 14:43:33
591.   ToyCannon
At this point we'd be giddy with 2007.
2008-05-12 14:44:05
592.   cargill06
566 i won't bet on it, so this way we can sweep
2008-05-12 14:45:50
593.   D4P
His 2007 isn't out of reach. I wouldn't be too surprised if he ended up there by the end of 2008.
2008-05-12 14:47:13
594.   ToyCannon
Neither did some very bright baseball people, namely the whole crew over at BP.
2008-05-12 14:48:30
595.   natepurcell

His ISOd was .90 and his ISOp was .191 so he had some semblance of productivity.

I didn't think his power would drop this much.

2008-05-12 14:51:13
596.   bhsportsguy
594 Also Keith Law, other ESPN talking heads, etc. I know that D4P was against it even before the Dodgers signed him but pretty much once the length of the deal was known, similar to the Schmidt deal, it was generally agreed by analysts that was a really good deal, with the proviso that Pierre was either traded or relegated to 4th OF status.
2008-05-12 14:52:04
597.   D4P
But good ISOs only really matter when your BA is decent. His .222 was too low to end up with a reasonable OBP and SLG. His .107 ISOd this year isn't really doing much good with his .170 BA.
2008-05-12 14:54:42
598.   regfairfield
597 His BABIP was also really low which made it reasonable to think his average would go up.
2008-05-12 14:54:52
599.   natepurcell

What I'm trying to say is that I really thought Jone was a lock for 25 homeruns. I don't think anyone could have predicted this much drop in power. But of course its still only May, so who knows.

2008-05-12 15:00:24
600.   Jon Weisman
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2008-05-12 15:00:54
601.   D4P
Except that his BABIP was really low in 2005 and 2006 too.

But even if he did hit 25 HRs, would that really be so exciting if he hit .222/.311/.413/.724 again...?

2008-05-12 15:03:08
602.   Dodger Jack
Sorry. I have to again disagree with the consensus of posters here. Blake DeWitt has WON the right to play third base. He has proven his worth. Nice stroke, game-winning hits, and deft glove. LaRoche is a terrific prospect who hasn't yet proven that he can succeed in MLB or stay injury-free. Managment already tried Blake at second. It didn't work out. So why not move LaRoche to second? LaRoche started out as a shortstop. Third base is Blake's. As for Garciaparra, he'll make a swell pinch hitter and occasional replacement at third and first.

Andruw is killing our offense. Some believe it is not politically correct to point out that he is some 30 lbs. over his optimal playing weight. Hooey. Tell it like it is. He's an overweight multi-millionaire who now has a catcher's speed running to first. There must be some clause in his contract that management can invoke to force him out of the lineup and into AAA "rehab" until he loses the weight and regains his stroke. It is just a crying shame that either Kemp or Ethier should have to sit to accommodate Andruw. Even Pierre is a huge upgrade on Andruw. $36M for a .225 hitter was a career-ending decision for Ned. Let's not compound that bad judgment with another.

2008-05-12 15:18:34
603.   PDH5204
594 So bright, in fact, that they can't explain Chien Ming Wang:

"This may just be an early peak year," says Joe Sheehan of Baseball Prospectus. "It's highly unlikely that he can do better than this without upping his strikeout rate or getting extremely lucky on balls in play, but a 4.25 ERA guy who provides innings won't have trouble making his mortgage payments."

And they can't explain Warren Spahn either [what with his lifetime K/9 at 4.433].

I would suggest that they simply recall what the one pitching coach once told our pitchers, to wit, pitch to contact, your contact and not their contact.

2008-05-12 15:57:37
604.   sweepstakes
If Jones remains in his rut, this season and the next, would they cut him around the '09 all star break? I'm not sure how the contracts are structured-- I'm assuming their paid monthly-- but would they eat 9 million

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